Re: DISCOVERY Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-10 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 15:42 +, Beartooth wrote: Also, dragging one file (or many, or all) from the folder on the CD to one on the hard drive would copy, not move -- i.e., not remove from the CD -- even though the same action would move (not copy) the file if I did it between most hard

Re: DISCOVERY Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-09 Thread Beartooth
On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:21:53 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: [...] If you just burned the files to CD, then copied them, you wound up with READ ONLY copies. That is likely the cause of the problems you encountered. That much has always been true -- in the sense that, if for

DISCOVERY Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-08 Thread Beartooth
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:03:44 +, I Beartooth wrote: I'm running Firefox under F8 and F9 on five different machines, and it's a pain on every one of them, albeit in slightly different ways; but the differences differ, too. The first thing they have in common is that it takes forever

Re: DISCOVERY Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-08 Thread Todd Denniston
Beartooth wrote, On 10/08/2008 12:49 PM: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:03:44 +, I Beartooth wrote: I'm running Firefox under F8 and F9 on five different machines, and it's a pain on every one of them, albeit in slightly different ways; but the differences differ, too. The first thing

Re: DISCOVERY Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-08 Thread Alex Makhlin
Todd Denniston wrote: Beartooth wrote, On 10/08/2008 12:49 PM: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:03:44 +, I Beartooth wrote: I'm running Firefox under F8 and F9 on five different machines, and it's a pain on every one of them, albeit in slightly different ways; but the differences differ, too.

Re: DISCOVERY Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-08 Thread Dave Burns
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Why should there *be* permissions trouble with a file or folder, belonging to user btth on one machine, burned to CD by that user, inserted into another machine, then dragged and dropped by the same user into some

Re: DISCOVERY Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-08 Thread Mike McCarty
Beartooth wrote: [...] I had noticed a new problem with the pix, but hadn't thought to check for it with FEBE : a lot of files a/o folders would show up in nautilus with a padlock emblem. Lo and behold, the extension folders, and some others, were littered all over with those blasted

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-07 Thread Beartooth
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:00:09 +, I Beartooth wrote: On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:54:11 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: [] If you want to set up a new Firefox correctly and reasonably securely (for certain values of correct and secure, of course), read my article here:

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-07 Thread Frank Cox
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:05:48 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: warning: /etc/squid/squid.conf.default saved as /etc/squid/ squid.conf.default.rpmsave warning: /etc/squid/squid.conf saved as /etc/squid/squid.conf.rpmsave Removed: squid.i386 7:3.0.STABLE7-1.fc9 Complete! [EMAIL

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-06 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 18:00 +, Beartooth wrote: FATAL: Could not determine fully qualified hostname. Please set 'visible_hostname' I don't know what a qualified hostname is, fully or not. There's plenty of places on the WWW that explain that, but here goes. A hostname is the

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-06 Thread Timothy Murphy
Tim wrote: The process of working it out *CAN* be done like this. I am gonzales lookup this to find my IP, I find I am 192.168.1.11. Okay, now lets lookup 192.168.1.11 (a reverse lookup) to find my FQDN, and I get told that I'm gonzales.example.com., and that's the end of that story. I

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-06 Thread Tim
Tim: The process of working it out *CAN* be done like this. I am gonzales lookup this to find my IP, I find I am 192.168.1.11. Okay, now lets lookup 192.168.1.11 (a reverse lookup) to find my FQDN, and I get told that I'm gonzales.example.com., and that's the end of that story. Timothy

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-06 Thread Beartooth
On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:41:52 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: Tim wrote: The process of working it out *CAN* be done like this. I am gonzales lookup this to find my IP, I find I am 192.168.1.11. Okay, now lets lookup 192.168.1.11 (a reverse lookup) to find my FQDN, and I get told that I'm

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-05 Thread Beartooth
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:54:11 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: [] If you want to set up a new Firefox correctly and reasonably securely (for certain values of correct and secure, of course), read my article here: http://www.melvilletheatre.com/articles/squid-privoxy/index.html You can

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-05 Thread Frank Cox
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:00:09 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I'm just outta my depth here. I have to say that config file would take me years of effort just to read through. It only takes a second to run a text search on squid.conf, you don't have to read the whole

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-05 Thread Frank Cox
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:00:09 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I went to your site, copied the sample squid config file, installed squid, cd'd root to /etc/squid, moved squid.conf.default to a backup, created a new one with nano -w squid.conf.default, and copied your

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-05 Thread Beartooth
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 12:48:29 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:00:09 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I'm just outta my depth here. I have to say that config file would take me years of effort just to read through. It only takes a second to run a

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-05 Thread Beartooth
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 12:53:02 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: If I'm following this, I think you have a file named squid.conf.default but no file named squid.conf? The file should be named squid.conf. Not squid.conf.default. Just copy the example file to /etc/squid/squid.conf. That's all.

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-05 Thread Frank Cox
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:46:11 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ hostname Hbsk2.localdomain That's your hostname. Specify that hostname in your squid.conf file and see what happens. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com DRY

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-05 Thread Beartooth
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:36:18 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ hostname Hbsk2.localdomain That's your hostname. Specify that hostname in your squid.conf file and see what happens. Where in squid.conf?? I just kept telling nano ^W till it looped -- and found

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-05 Thread Frank Cox
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:53:30 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where in squid.conf?? FATAL: Could not determine fully qualified hostname. Please set 'visible_hostname' Meanwhile, I went ahead with your other directions, including setting a network proxy (which

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-05 Thread Beartooth
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:53:30 +, I Beartooth wrote: Meanwhile, I went ahead with your other directions, including setting a network proxy (which I've never looked at, let alone used) -- and now none of my browsers connect. I feel like Mickey Mouse fighting brooms

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-05 Thread Frank Cox
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:00:09 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Galeon and Epiphany don't connect. That's because you either told them to use the proxy (that isn't currently running) or because they use the desktop proxy setting that you may or may not have set. Opera and Dillo

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-05 Thread Beartooth
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:59:09 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: visible_hostname That section talks about error messages, and about the output of something called gethostname, which I don't seem to have. I don't see the relevance. I tried blindly adding a line -- so that the passage now

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-05 Thread Frank Cox
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:11:46 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That section talks about error messages, and about the output of something called gethostname, which I don't seem to have. I don't see the relevance. squid.conf is a CONFIGURATION FILE that happens to have a

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-10-05 Thread Beartooth
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:17:28 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: squid.conf is a CONFIGURATION FILE that happens to have a lot of instructions for use embedded in it. Everything that starts with a # sign is a remark and is ignored by the program. Yes, I understand the use of # in commenting

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast?? -- New trouble

2008-10-01 Thread Beartooth
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:16:14 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 18:42 +, I Beartooth wrote: [] I'm getting confused as between machines, which is which; but Firefox has come up with another little nasty trick on at least two of them : when it does

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-28 Thread Beartooth
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:27:14 +, Beartooth wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:10:56 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: [...] None of the things you complain about have happened to me in several years of using Firefox (basically since version 1), so I'm inclined to think it's something in

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-28 Thread Beartooth
On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:49:54 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:25:02 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I *think* two of them are down to about fifty each, Fifty extensions? Wow. My Firefox currently has 8 extension installed and I don't think I'm really

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-28 Thread Chris G
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 06:20:46PM +, Beartooth wrote: On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:49:54 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:25:02 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I *think* two of them are down to about fifty each, Fifty extensions? Wow. My

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast?? -- New trouble

2008-09-28 Thread Beartooth
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:03:44 +, Beartooth wrote: I'm running Firefox under F8 and F9 on five different machines, and it's a pain on every one of them, albeit in slightly different ways; but the differences differ, too. The first thing they have in common is that it takes forever

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-28 Thread Frank Cox
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:20:46 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NoScript, noreferrer, adblock, flashblock, redirect remover, Some of these are redundant. For example, Noscript can block flash, so you don't need flashblock if you have noscript installed. And so on. I'm less than

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast?? -- New trouble

2008-09-28 Thread Aldo Foot
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:03:44 +, Beartooth wrote: I'm running Firefox under F8 and F9 on five different machines, and it's a pain on every one of them, albeit in slightly different ways; but the differences differ, too.

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast?? -- New trouble

2008-09-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 18:42 +, Beartooth wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:03:44 +, Beartooth wrote: I'm running Firefox under F8 and F9 on five different machines, and it's a pain on every one of them, albeit in slightly different ways; but the differences differ, too. The

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast?? -- New trouble

2008-09-28 Thread Timothy Murphy
Beartooth wrote: I'm getting confused as between machines, which is which; but Firefox has come up with another little nasty trick on at least two of them : when it does launch, it does so in offline mode -- and then complains because it can't refresh various sites. Surely there has to be

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-26 Thread Beartooth
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:06:45 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 19:43 +, Beartooth wrote: All right, at least, at last, we get down to it. What is a reasonable number of extensions to run? I.e., a number that will still keep Firefox fast and stable? That's

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-26 Thread Frank Cox
On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:25:02 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I *think* two of them are down to about fifty each, Fifty extensions? Wow. My Firefox currently has 8 extension installed and I don't think I'm really missing out on anything. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-25 Thread Beartooth
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:05:17 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:32:16 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaarrgg : I update firefox more days than not. Why would you do that? Very simple -- I'm talking about what the firefox updater calls

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-25 Thread Frank Cox
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:43:28 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very simple -- I'm talking about what the firefox updater calls updates : i.e., new releases of any or several add-ons, *not* new releases of Firefox itself. If you remove the extraneous language packs as I

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-25 Thread Beartooth
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:02:53 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:43:28 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [] What else am I supposed to call them, instead of what Firefox itself calls them?? I would call it updating a Firefox add-on or extension.

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-25 Thread Frank Cox
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:43:48 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way to identify, or even guess, which ones are prime candidates for jettisoning? Everything that you don't actually need would be a good place to start. Go through the list and uninstall the un-necessary

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-25 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 19:43 +, Beartooth wrote: All right, at least, at last, we get down to it. What is a reasonable number of extensions to run? I.e., a number that will still keep Firefox fast and stable? That's like asking how long is a piece of string, since everyone's

Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Beartooth
I'm running Firefox under F8 and F9 on five different machines, and it's a pain on every one of them, albeit in slightly different ways; but the differences differ, too. The first thing they have in common is that it takes forever to launch -- when it does launch. The second

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 15:03 +, Beartooth wrote: I try to keep it as nearly standardized as I can. The best way is to add FEBE to any new install of Firefox, and then copy in a FEBE folder by scp or sneakermail, and run a restore. What's FEBE? poc -- fedora-list mailing list

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 15:03 +, Beartooth wrote: I'm running Firefox under F8 and F9 on five different machines, and it's a pain on every one of them, albeit in slightly different ways; but the differences differ, too. The first thing they have in common is that it takes

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Kevin Martin
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 15:03 +, Beartooth wrote: I try to keep it as nearly standardized as I can. The best way is to add FEBE to any new install of Firefox, and then copy in a FEBE folder by scp or sneakermail, and run a restore. What's

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Frank Cox wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:14:10 -0700 Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find all of the language extensions to be pointless for my usage but I can't tell if it's because my system/profile has existed for quite some time and has been upgraded from like FC-4, FC-5, etc.

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Beartooth
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:58:10 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 15:03 +, Beartooth wrote: I try to keep it as nearly standardized as I can. The best way is to add FEBE to any new install of Firefox, and then copy in a FEBE folder by scp or sneakermail, and

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Beartooth
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:17:56 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: After doing a Firefox upgrade or install, I always crank up Firefox as root and delete all of the languages (and the dom-inspector thing). Firefox runs much faster after that. I adopted your practice, with thanks; but it kept

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Frank Cox
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:09:28 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I adopted your practice, with thanks; but it kept putting them back. Now I see only disable buttons instead of uninstall -- I hope at least disabling lasts longer. That's because you didn't run firefox

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Beartooth
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:14:10 -0700, Craig White wrote: [...] slow startup is because Firefox looks at all installed extensions to determine whether an update is available and then Firefox looks to see if a newer version of Firefox is available. The more extensions, the longer the

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 19:33 +, Beartooth wrote: *Something* has to be done. Firefox is a fine browser when it runs; but getting it to run is within a hair of not being worth it any more. None of the things you complain about have happened to me in several years of using Firefox

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Kevin Martin
Frank Cox wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:09:28 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I adopted your practice, with thanks; but it kept putting them back. Now I see only disable buttons instead of uninstall -- I hope at least disabling lasts longer. That's

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Beartooth
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:22:34 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:09:28 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I adopted your practice, with thanks; but it kept putting them back. Now I see only disable buttons instead of uninstall -- I hope at least disabling

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Beartooth
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:10:56 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: [...] None of the things you complain about have happened to me in several years of using Firefox (basically since version 1), so I'm inclined to think it's something in your environment or add-ons. Oh good. That's

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Frank Cox
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:10:16 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll try it once more. And dollars to doughnuts they all come back. Probably the very next time I update Firefox; certainly when I upgrade my OS. They will, when you update Firefox. The language packs are

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Beartooth
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:57:16 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:10:16 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll try it once more. And dollars to doughnuts they all come back. Probably the very next time I update Firefox; certainly when I upgrade my OS. They

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 21:32 +, Beartooth wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:57:16 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:10:16 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll try it once more. And dollars to doughnuts they all come back. Probably the very next time I

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 22:59 +, Beartooth wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:45:52 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 21:32 +, Beartooth wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:57:16 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: [] The language packs are part of the Firefox rpms.

Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??

2008-09-24 Thread Frank Cox
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:32:16 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaarrgg : I update firefox more days than not. Why would you do that? Firefox updates are relatively few (at least, not more than once every couple of months or so). There's no need or purpose served by