Re: mockup gtk theme

2008-07-24 Thread Hylke Bons
That's beautiful. I think this will fit well in my attempt to ressurect Bluecurve. :) Thanks! Hylke Andy Fitzsimon schreef: heya guys I was having a play today and built upon an old gtk theme mockup I had. \ (svgz attached) I sure would love nodoka to render it ;-) I didn't design it

Re: mockup gtk theme

2008-07-24 Thread Andy Fitzsimon
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hylke Bons wrote: That's beautiful. I think this will fit well in my attempt to ressurect Bluecurve. :) Thanks! The theme is shiny and good looking (in Andy's known style), but it is not blue and I would expect a theme

Re: mockup gtk theme

2008-07-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 18:14 +0800, Andy Fitzsimon wrote: heya guys I was having a play today and built upon an old gtk theme mockup I had. \ (svgz attached) I sure would love nodoka to render it ;-) I didn't design it specifically for fedora but I hope someone here finds it useful for

Re: mockup gtk theme

2008-07-24 Thread Andy Fitzsimon
are you seriously trying to resurrect bluecurve ? ive done a fair amount of bluecurve icons in the new style.. will send them to you when i get back to work Andy On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Hylke Bons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's beautiful. I think this will fit well in my attempt

Re: [Ambassadors] EUROPE: CDs, Shirts and Stickers

2008-07-24 Thread Max Spevack
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: What do you say? Do you have any problem with us producing a bunch of the I *heart* Fedora tshirts? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_tshirt_love.png Fedora EMEA e.V. is producing these shirts, correct? They have a

Poster revision

2008-07-24 Thread Paul W. Frields
Hi Fedora artistes, The Marketing team has been discussing how we can organize our future Fedora messaging around the 4 Foundations theme (freedom, friends, features, first). I think people here already know these terms from elsewhere[1], so I won't belabor the point. :-) Infinity / Freedom /

[Invitation] (No Subject) @ Thu Jul 2 4 4pm – 5pm ()

2008-07-24 Thread Darryl Perry
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Re: mockup gtk theme

2008-07-24 Thread Andy Fitzsimon
there you go.. newcurve ;-) On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Hylke Bons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Fitzsimon schreef: are you seriously trying to resurrect bluecurve ? ive done a fair amount of bluecurve icons in the new style.. will send them to you when i get back to work Andy

Re: building from git using custom koji install

2008-07-24 Thread Enrico Scholz
Jesus M. Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: git://git.fedorahosted.org/git?spacewalk.git#HEAD But it complains about not having a spec file. Which makes sense as there is no spec file at the top of the tree. We solved a similar issue (building multiple branches from same sources) by passing

Re: building from git using custom koji install

2008-07-24 Thread Doug Ledford
On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 23:51 -0400, Mike Bonnet wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 23:06 -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 22:27 -0400, Jesus Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:50:13PM -0400, Mike McLean wrote: Jesus M. Rodriguez wrote: So am I correct in my

Re: building from git using custom koji install

2008-07-24 Thread Jesus Rodriguez
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:51:36PM -0400, Mike Bonnet wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 23:06 -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 22:27 -0400, Jesus Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:50:13PM -0400, Mike McLean wrote: Jesus M. Rodriguez wrote: So am I correct in my

Re: [Fontconfig] TTF/OTF packaging thoughts?

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 23 juillet 2008 21:45, James Cloos a écrit : Nicolas == Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nicolas Can you patch fontconfig so apps get OTF (OpenType CFF) Nicolas versions by default, unless they explicitely request OpenType Nicolas TTF files? (when the same version of the

Re: Proposal: reference locl feature file

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 01:43, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : It's surprisingly hard to find good information on how the locl OpenType feature should be handled for various languages. I propose we add a well commented reference fea file somewhere on the Fedora wiki. Well, it's a wiki. Just to it

Re: Suffix for Old Standard ?

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 01:11, Dave Crossland a écrit : 2008/7/23 Martin-Gomez Pablo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So we need to add a suffix to the name but I'm not imaginative for finding a good suffix (maybe iced as Nicolas propose), anyone of you have an lightning idea ? Why not use a build of FF

Fwd: TTF/OTF packaging thoughts?

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
-- Forwarded message -- From: Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:51 AM Subject: Re: TTF/OTF packaging thoughts? To: Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree with all your points. Regarding point 7, I'm going to emphasize, as you did previously, that

Re: Are we really going to require fonts to be built from sources by Fedora packagers? [Was: Re: Suffix for Old Standard ?]

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Hi, We do not require fonts to be built from source. We ask packagers to build font from sources when those sources are available unless they have a very good reason not to. However once upon a time, we didn't require fonts to be modifiable. When enough modifiable fonts became available policy

Re: Are we really going to require fonts to be built from sources by Fedora packagers? [Was: Re: Suffix for Old Standard ?]

2008-07-24 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]: non-free tools like FontLab ... free-beer tools like Adobe FDK That a proprietary program is distributed at zero price is not important; that it is proprietary is what matters :-) I think we'll try to bump the fontforge version in fedora-devel to

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 16:37, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : Chances are that these are newer incarnations of the shady package I found. I'm saying this because Adobe's Thomas Phinney said on typophile that the shady package most likely used Adobe FDK. As you can see from their fea file, the gyre

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
I suspect that their fonts are based on the visual designs, but not raw data of the URW fonts, otherwise GUST would be bound by the GPL, and could not change the license... As you know, font looks cannot be copyrighted in the U.S. (not sure about Europe though). So, the main question is: can

Re: What happened to tetex-fontools?

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 16:34, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : I need those to install OpenType fonts for the traditional TeX! What does Orphaned Package mean? That means the previous packager lost interest, and no one took over from him, so the package was removed from the repository -- Nicolas

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 16:37, Tom \spot\ Callaway a écrit : On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 16:33 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: I wonder what fedora-legal has to say on the subject On what subject exactly? I'm missing all of the context here. Is it OK if for the gust project to relicense GPL fonts

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 16:25, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : The font history seems clean, but one does need to check all the FLOSS license conversions are legitimate (the Gust license makes my head spin and I don't know what the differences with the GNU version we ship now are.) Well, there are

What happened to tetex-fontools?

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
I need those to install OpenType fonts for the traditional TeX! What does Orphaned Package mean? ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 17:00, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : I suspect that their fonts are based on the visual designs, but not raw data of the URW fonts, It's based on the raw data. That's explained in their presentations. otherwise GUST would be bound by the GPL, and could not change the

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I suspect that their fonts are based on the visual designs, but not raw data of the URW fonts, otherwise GUST would be bound by the GPL, I think the GUST guys have infringed the GPL. Not 100% sure, but I think so :(

Uniscribe support for locl

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
I asked this on typophile beucase I saw the question mark in the DejaVu wiki, and MS has no info on their site about it. Apparently Vista and Office 2007 support locl, but it's enabled based on the default language system setting. I have no clue what it means, and I have neither Vista nor Office

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
The GPL copyright holder for the original Type 1 fonts is URW, so they would have to send GUST notice of derived work infringement. Correct? On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I suspect that their fonts are based

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
Well, in that case Fedora is in trouble already. The gyre OpenType fonts are already shipped by Fedora in a TeXLive package, just not used by pango! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ rpm -qif /usr/share/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyrepagella-regular.otf Name: texlive-texmf-fonts

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, in that case Fedora is in trouble already. The gyre OpenType fonts are already shipped by Fedora in a TeXLive package, just not used by pango! TeXLive has been stripping out non-free fonts from other TeX distributions, so perhaps those guys

Re: Increasing point size of Meera font using fontconfig

2008-07-24 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi again, I tested your snippet and it works perfectly. It's actually a very nice trick that should be documented! I'm CC'ing fedora-fonts-list. Here's the snippet to adjust font size for a family. ?xml version=1.0? !DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM fonts.dtd fontconfig !-- multiply the matrix of

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 17:51, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : Well, in that case Fedora is in trouble already. The gyre OpenType fonts are already shipped by Fedora in a TeXLive package, just not used by pango! Oh, great I hate people that ship fonts without making a proper separate font

Re: What happened to tetex-fontools?

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
I'd like to (re)package it and be the maintainer for these tools. Before I follow the submission procedure, could someone explain to me what an appropriate replacement prefix for 'tetex' would be? I mean, Fedora isn't shipping tetex anymore, but this useful only for TeX and depends on kpsewhich

Re: What happened to tetex-fontools?

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
I found the answer on the wiki: I should call it tex-fontools. On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to (re)package it and be the maintainer for these tools. Before I follow the submission procedure, could someone explain to me what an appropriate

Fwd: [Bug 456582] Review Request: tex-fontools - Tools for handling fonts with LaTeX and fontinst

2008-07-24 Thread Vasile Gaburici
Maybe somebody on this list is willing to sponsor me on this package: -- Forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:43 PM Subject: [Bug 456582] Review Request: tex-fontools - Tools for handling fonts with LaTeX and fontinst To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Proposed amendment to general packaging guidelines: no bundling of fonts in other packages

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Hi, Given what happened there: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456580 I'm proposing the following guidelines amendment: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/No_bundling_of_fonts_in_other_packages Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot

Re: Had a look at Charis SIL

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 22:52, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : It uses *lots* of multiple (ligature-type) substitutions, sprinkled with some context-based substitutions, and some single substitutions in multiple ccmp tables (some tables are class-based, some glyph based). It's unlike any of the

Re: What happened to tetex-fontools?

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 20:55, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : I found the answer on the wiki: I should call it tex-fontools. Vasile: you should really CC the maintainers of other TEX-related packages to your bugzilla request, and make some noise on the fedora-devel mailing list about it if you want

Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-24 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/7/24 Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I suspect that their fonts are based on the visual designs, but not raw data of the URW fonts, otherwise GUST would be bound by the GPL, I think the GUST guys have infringed the GPL. Not 100% sure, but I

Re: Had a look at Charis SIL

2008-07-24 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know if they have their own production tools? They do, and they depend somewhat on proprietary software (FontLab) but SIL have been slowly publishing them, I think. -- Regards, Dave ___

Re: [patch 1/7] Fix kernel_{conflicts,obsoletes,provides}

2008-07-24 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 17:08 -0700, Roland McGrath wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 12:44 -0700, Roland McGrath wrote: If you try and use e.g. kernel_obsoletes, you'll soon find that it's actually kernel__obsoletes you currently need :-) So you want kernel to have an Obsoletes: that

vanilla-%{kversion}

2008-07-24 Thread Roland McGrath
I find myself doing a lot of make prep lately in the days of frequent new upstream base patches. The untar still takes a lot longer than the big patch. So I committed this to speed it up for the repeated rebase case. Thanks, Roland Index: kernel.spec

Re: [patch 2/7] Change how we do nosegneg

2008-07-24 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 17:41 -0700, Roland McGrath wrote: So let's structure things around that: the kernel build for an arch that uses vdso might include a kernelcap.conf file (or might not). For simplicity and consistency in the .spec file, we'll install a file for all variants even when

Re: [patch 2/7] Change how we do nosegneg

2008-07-24 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 09:12 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 17:41 -0700, Roland McGrath wrote: For simplicity and consistency in the .spec file, we'll install a file for all variants even when it's an empty placeholder. For the magic, the diff below probably covers it

rebase, utrace

2008-07-24 Thread Roland McGrath
I took the liberty of rebasing rawhide to git11. (rebase.sh works great!) That was necessary for my latest utrace patches to apply, and I turned those back on. I'm starting a build and will deal if it doesn't compile. Thanks, Roland ___

Re: [patch 2/7] Change how we do nosegneg

2008-07-24 Thread Roland McGrath
All sounds fairly reasonable to me, but why not have make vdso_install install the file? Yeah, that will be the right thing for upstream eventually. Probably for upstream it is preferred to install files only in $INSTALL_MOD_PATH and not go touching /etc. So I think the norm will be something

git11 new config items

2008-07-24 Thread Roland McGrath
I added these to config-generic to keep building with -git11. I have no idea if these are the right settings. +# CONFIG_MFD_TC6393XB is not set +# CONFIG_BOOTPARAM_SOFTLOCKUP_PANIC is not set +CONFIG_DMADEVICES=y +CONFIG_INTEL_IOATDMA=m +# CONFIG_DMATEST is not set Thanks, Roland

Re: git11 new config items

2008-07-24 Thread Kyle McMartin
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 02:31:04AM -0700, Roland McGrath wrote: I added these to config-generic to keep building with -git11. I have no idea if these are the right settings. +# CONFIG_MFD_TC6393XB is not set +# CONFIG_BOOTPARAM_SOFTLOCKUP_PANIC is not set +CONFIG_DMADEVICES=y

Re: git11 new config items

2008-07-24 Thread Dave Jones
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 02:31:04AM -0700, Roland McGrath wrote: I added these to config-generic to keep building with -git11. I have no idea if these are the right settings. +# CONFIG_MFD_TC6393XB is not set +# CONFIG_BOOTPARAM_SOFTLOCKUP_PANIC is not set +CONFIG_DMADEVICES=y

Re: SElinux concerning symlink?

2008-07-24 Thread Mike
Tim ignored_mailbox at yahoo.com.au writes: I would imagine that the SELinux contexts are wrong. They're applied to expected filepaths (home space contexts for the usual /home/username/ filepaths), I imagine that they won't get applied across symlinks, as it'd be too easy for someone to

VPN Client in fedora 8 for Microsoft VPN server: routing problem?

2008-07-24 Thread Zvi Kave
Hi, I can not access the required IP behind the MS server. Seems that the VPN PPTP connection to MS PPTP server is OK as from the /var/log/messages, but I can not access the required IP behind the MS server. (But from Windows XP , I have no problems to connect to desired IP) Here are the

Re: VPN Client in fedora 8 for Microsoft VPN server: routing problem?

2008-07-24 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Zvi Kave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can not access the required IP behind the MS server. Seems that the VPN PPTP connection to MS PPTP server is OK as from the /var/log/messages, but I can not access the required IP behind the MS server. (But from Windows XP

Re: NetworkManager sabotages DNS? on fc9

2008-07-24 Thread Mike C
McGuffey, David C. DAVID.C.MCGUFFEY at saic.com writes: My next task was to go looking at the logs to see what was trying to scribble in resolve.conf...but your post puts me onto something. I have used static addressing for ages on desktops from FC1,2,3 onwards - and on a desktop machine the

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-24 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:29:26PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: In general the terms I'm speaking of are more permissive than the GPL and the GPL is the one that was intentionally incompatible, but that's not the point. The point is that the work-as-a-whole clause is an immoral

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-24 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:34:44PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: But you must give up your freedom and rights or you are unable to participate in distributing these things as part of a work that contains any GPL-covered material. The or denounces your syllogism. The must

Re: F8 NetworkManager going crazy at startup

2008-07-24 Thread Christoph Höger
Am Mittwoch, den 23.07.2008, 16:18 -0700 schrieb Konstantin Svist: Hi, I've noticed a problem with NM recently (might've happened after a system update, not 100% sure when it started). When I log into KDE, NM starts connecting to the network. It used to connect eth0 if it was available,

Re: SElinux concerning symlink?

2008-07-24 Thread Stuart Sears
Mike wrote: Tim ignored_mailbox at yahoo.com.au writes: I would imagine that the SELinux contexts are wrong. They're applied to expected filepaths (home space contexts for the usual /home/username/ filepaths), I imagine that they won't get applied across symlinks, as it'd be too easy for

Re: OT: ATT U-Verse internet

2008-07-24 Thread g
Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, I've been offered ATT's U-Verse television/internet service but have been told that it's Windows only (which sounds nonsensical to me; they said the same thing about my DSL service). in addition to other reply, log on to; http://www.2wire.com/ search for;

Has Anybody used PowerTop

2008-07-24 Thread aakash sharma
Is there anyone who has used PowerTop? http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/ I need help in running that on Fedora 9 Live CD. Regards Aakash -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer

2008-07-24 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 13:21 +, g wrote: Andy Eager wrote: snip I have no idea how this crap got into cups or even why authentication should be necessary to print locally. Anyway, it has nothing to do with the security deny/allow stuff in cupsd.conf this got me wondering. craig,

Re: Creating a default keyring with passwd.

2008-07-24 Thread max bianco
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 08:02 -1000, Dave Burns wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wanted to know the passwd to open the default keyring. But I am lost in remembering how to do

Re: Has Anybody used PowerTop

2008-07-24 Thread aakash sharma
Does it really saves power or help in power saving? Plz reply and explain me ur experiences with Powertop, Regards Aakash -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

iptables count port 80

2008-07-24 Thread tony . chamberlain
I want to measure the amount of traffic (Linux) on port 80 (Tomcat) separated by incoming and outgoing. I figure maybe I can do this (after creating the chains): iptables -A INPUT -d 10.0.0.50 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j COUNTIN iptables -A INPUT -s 10.0.0.50 -p tcp -m tcp --sport 80 -j

Re: Joining with team.

2008-07-24 Thread Erik P. Olsen
On 24/07/08 14:03, g wrote: you could join all the way if, while under msbsos and using, Of course I know what msbsos is but what exactly do the letters mean? -- Erik. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-24 Thread max bianco
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:21 AM, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 03:02 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: So, anyone who insists in naming Linux all of the GNU operating system used with the kernel Linux is contradicting the primary developer of GNU and the primary developer of

Re: Has Anybody used PowerTop

2008-07-24 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 22:47 +0530, aakash sharma wrote: So u mean to say that it's USELESS on FEDORA 9. No need to shout. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-24 Thread Les Mikesell
max bianco wrote: So you refer to your car by engine size? You tell people you drive a 2.4 Liter car? For the record when explaining to completely clueless people what Linux is, they think Linux is one thing like Windows is one thing. They will say You mean like XP and Vista right? and you'll

Re: Has Anybody used PowerTop

2008-07-24 Thread Rex Dieter
aakash sharma wrote: So u mean to say that it's USELESS on FEDORA 9. for you maybe, lots of folks find it a valuable tool. -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-24 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 24, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: it has always been immoral to demand that others give up their rights. Taking away legitimate rights, yes, that would be immoral. But taking away Immoral rights, that serve the purpose of exerting power over others

Re: Has Anybody used PowerTop

2008-07-24 Thread Anders Karlsson
* aakash sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080724 19:17]: So u mean to say that it's USELESS on FEDORA 9. I got that. That's not what I said. I said there were not many things it gave me recommendations to change. It's still useful as it'll show you what it is that is waking your computer up

Re: Joining with team.

2008-07-24 Thread dexter
On Wed July 23 2008 14:16:34 Ahmad Al-Zard wrote: Hi All. It is my pleasure to be member of fedora. Hope to deal with you all and share our knowledge together. ** *

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-24 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 24, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: 1. a grant of rights cannot possibly impose restrictions to whatever you could do before you received those rights. It's a grant, so it adds. It's not a contract, so it can't take away. Per wikipedia, there are

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-24 Thread Gordon Messmer
Marko Vojinovic wrote: Please forgive me for jumping into the thread, I've been reading it only for the last couple of days, although I can see that the discussion is going on for some time now. Yes. Yes it has. :) Reading the (last few days of the) thread, I saw many aspects and

Re: odd scrolling issue in vim

2008-07-24 Thread Chris Snook
Jack Howarth wrote: Has anyone else noticed this issue under Fedora 9 x86_64 with the 2.6.25.10 or 2.6.26 kernels? I find that if I open a large text file in vim (as vi), jump to the bottom of the file and then use the 'k' metakey to scroll up that the scrolling is not smooth like in earlier

How do I set up networked printers in F9 ?

2008-07-24 Thread linuxguy
We are networking our printers so that everyone in the house can use them. We have an HP all in one USB device that we connected to the network via a Linksys ASUS print server. We also just got a Dell 1720DN networked printer. Both devices work via USB on both my F9 machine and a Windows

Re: SSD partitioning

2008-07-24 Thread Chris Snook
max bianco wrote: 2008/7/22 Rich Emberson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For a non-laptop machine with the following target characteristics: energy efficient, non-gaming, powerful and fast; should SSDs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive) be used and, if so, how? SSD have very fast seek times

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-24 Thread Gordon Messmer
Les Mikesell wrote: Gordon Messmer wrote: In accepting it's terms you give up your freedom to distribute any part of the work under different terms, including any of your own that you might want to add. Since you never had any such freedom under copyright law, you aren't giving anything

Re: How do I set up networked printers in F9 ?

2008-07-24 Thread Aldo Foot
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:08 AM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are networking our printers so that everyone in the house can use them. We have an HP all in one USB device that we connected to the network via a Linksys ASUS print server. We also just got a Dell 1720DN networked

RE: NZB Downloader

2008-07-24 Thread Joseph L. Casale
NNTPGrab or KLibido I haven't tried either one since ATT blocked alt.binar* groups so I don't know if they can handle rar files. Dude, NNTPGrab is the bomb! It works on nzb's that hella and pan wont. Thanks so much! jlc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-24 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: it has always been immoral to demand that others give up their rights. Taking away legitimate rights, yes, that would be immoral. Taking away any right is immoral. But taking away Immoral rights, that serve the purpose of exerting power over others and taking

Re: How do I set up networked printers in F9 ?

2008-07-24 Thread linuxguy
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 11:31 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote: What connection should I use for the 1720DN and where do I go from there ? Just use AppSocket/HP JetDirect. Enter the IP or hostname in the hostname field and leave the port number 9100 alone. In the next step select the printer from

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-24 Thread Les Mikesell
Gordon Messmer wrote: Your entire argument against the GPL seems to be based on the idea that you repeat, that the GPL replaces the terms of components which are included in a GPL licensed work as a whole. This is not the case. I strongly recommend that you read:

KDE backgrounds and quick launcher

2008-07-24 Thread Jamie Bohr
Just installed FC9 and have a couple, hopefully quick questions. 1. I have some backgrounds I would like to use with KDE, when I select them from within the Configure desktop window they never show up. I can browse to the file, select it but I can not set it to the background ... very strange.

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-24 Thread Les Mikesell
Gordon Messmer wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: Its not that simple. Say you receive a copy of a mostly bsd-origin work previously modified by adding a few GPL-covered lines and applying the GPL to the whole as required for #3 at that step. You now agree to the GPL terms in order to be permitted

RE: Adding Drivers to the Live CD.

2008-07-24 Thread Nathan Woodruff
I've worked with Alan all afternoon long and I have used linux s to get to a prompt. But now I am having issues copying the data off now that I can see the actual data. I have nowhere to copy it to as in I can get into the box but I can't copy the data to another device because there is no other

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-24 Thread Gordon Messmer
Les Mikesell wrote: A proprietary license gives some rights that you don't have without it; If you are referring to a EULA: no it doesn't. Standard EULAs don't grant any rights that copyright doesn't. Furthermore, EULAs tend to restrict what you can *use* software for, which is something

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-24 Thread Nifty Fedora Mitch
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:36:58PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 23, 2008, Nifty Fedora Mitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: systematic interface between the kernel services and the applications. This interface consists of an API and and ABI. Not really. It's just an ABI, really. It's

Document Scanning in KDE4 ?

2008-07-24 Thread linuxguy
How do I scan a document with my scanner in KDE4 ? It seems as though Kooka has been dropped. What replaces it ? Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Re: SElinux concerning symlink?

2008-07-24 Thread Mike
Stuart Sears stuart at sjsears.com writes: how, exactly? These are the labels on my system (using ls -Z): /home/* system_u:object_r:user_home_dir_t:s0 /home/USER/*system_u:object_r:user_home_t:s0 /home system_u:object_r:home_root_t:s0 whereas files in /opt/local seem

Re: KDE backgrounds and quick launcher

2008-07-24 Thread Rex Dieter
Jamie Bohr wrote: Just installed FC9 and have a couple, hopefully quick questions. 1. I have some backgrounds I would like to use with KDE, when I select them from within the Configure desktop window they never show up. I can browse to the file, select it but I can not set it to the

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-24 Thread Les Mikesell
Gordon Messmer wrote: The GPL allows you additional rights: you may distribute the work to others. The GPL only allows those rights under limited conditions. Standard EULAs give you *no* additional rights, and furthermore restrict how you can use the software that you received. The

Re: How do I set up networked printers in F9 ?

2008-07-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 24 July 2008 19:48:21 linuxguy wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 11:31 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote: What connection should I use for the 1720DN and where do I go from there ? Just use AppSocket/HP JetDirect. Enter the IP or hostname in the hostname field and leave the port number

Re: SElinux concerning symlink?

2008-07-24 Thread Dave Burns
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know of any links to a getting started understanding SELinux type of guide? That's some heavy lifting. The cheat I tend to use is grep sealert /var/log/messages SELinux puts stuff in the log that includes a suggestion to

Re: Document Scanning in KDE4 ?

2008-07-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 24 July 2008 20:25:25 Rex Dieter wrote: linuxguy wrote: How do I scan a document with my scanner in KDE4 ? It seems as though Kooka has been dropped. What replaces it ? http://kooka.kde.org/news/ -- Rex xsane still works, of course, as does scanning in the GIMP Anne

Re: SElinux concerning symlink?

2008-07-24 Thread Mike
Mike mike.cloaked at gmail.com writes: 1. yum install setroubleshoot 2. service setroubleshoot start 3. then ssh in 4. look in /var/log/messages on your machine for lines containing 'sealert' (or just run sealert -b if you have a graphical desktop) I changed the context and tried

Re: Adding Drivers to the Live CD.

2008-07-24 Thread g
Nathan Woodruff wrote: snip Last week we had a power failure over night. The UPS's ran for about 2 hours and then POOF no power. None of us even though about checking on the servers that night. When our company finally got power the next morning, the Fedora server would not boot completely.

Re: SElinux concerning symlink?

2008-07-24 Thread Mike
Dave Burns tburns at hawaii.edu writes: That's some heavy lifting. The cheat I tend to use is grep sealert /var/log/messages SELinux puts stuff in the log that includes a suggestion to run its utility sealert with appropriate parameters. The output from that command usually includes a

Re: KDE backgrounds and quick launcher

2008-07-24 Thread Florian Sievert
Hi, Yes, I am running the latest. I just did a yum update and rebooted (just in case). I have the same issue. IMAO it was fixed here, when I setup the wallpapper for one time manually. Open ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc with your favorized text edit. Seek a section with a line

Re: SElinux concerning symlink?

2008-07-24 Thread Mike
Mike mike.cloaked at gmail.com writes: The sealert output is: host=lapmike2 type=AVC msg=audit(1216928753.73:112): avc: denied { search } for pid=5282 comm=sshd name=Local dev=sda8 ino=1241537 scontext=system_u:system_r:sshd_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 tcontext=system_u:object_r:file_t:s0

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-24 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 24, 2008, Marko Vojinovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Under the hood there is the Linux engine, But tell me, what is in principle The Single Most Important element of the car? There is only one answer --- the engine. So, what remains to be justified is why you decided Linux is the engine

Re: SElinux concerning symlink?

2008-07-24 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 19:51 +, Mike wrote: Dave Burns tburns at hawaii.edu writes: That's some heavy lifting. The cheat I tend to use is grep sealert /var/log/messages SELinux puts stuff in the log that includes a suggestion to run its utility sealert with appropriate

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