Problems ripping DVDs I legally own to my media server
All - To make clear - I am only doing this with DVDs I legally own. I am not pirating, I am just trying to get all my DVDs onto a media server I am building instead of having them strewn all over the entertainment center. Specifically, I tried to rip Transformers 2 Revenge of the Fallen. It apparently has some new copy protection scheme where it reports that it is 80 gigs, and every method I tried to decrypt them under Linux failed. I wound up having to fire up my dusty old Windows box and use Ideal DVD Copy to rip them successfully (http://tinyurl.com/yg8269g). What, if anything, are you using to make legit backups of your newer, copy-protected DVDs under Linux? -- Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems ripping DVDs I legally own to my media server
Thomas Cameron wrote: > All - > > To make clear - I am only doing this with DVDs I legally own. I am > not pirating, I am just trying to get all my DVDs onto a media server > I am building instead of having them strewn all over the entertainment > center. > > Specifically, I tried to rip Transformers 2 Revenge of the Fallen. It > apparently has some new copy protection scheme where it reports that > it is 80 gigs, and every method I tried to decrypt them under Linux > failed. > > I wound up having to fire up my dusty old Windows box and use Ideal > DVD Copy to rip them successfully (http://tinyurl.com/yg8269g). > > What, if anything, are you using to make legit backups of your newer, > copy-protected DVDs under Linux? > Are you saying it worked with older DVDs? Do you have libdvdcss installed? -- I'm sitting on my SPEED QUEEN ... To me, it's ENJOYABLE ... I'm WARM ... I'm VIBRATORY ... Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems ripping DVDs I legally own to my media server
On 01/03/2010 08:29 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: All - To make clear - I am only doing this with DVDs I legally own. I am not pirating, I am just trying to get all my DVDs onto a media server I am building instead of having them strewn all over the entertainment center. Specifically, I tried to rip Transformers 2 Revenge of the Fallen. It apparently has some new copy protection scheme where it reports that it is 80 gigs, and every method I tried to decrypt them under Linux failed. I wound up having to fire up my dusty old Windows box and use Ideal DVD Copy to rip them successfully (http://tinyurl.com/yg8269g). What, if anything, are you using to make legit backups of your newer, copy-protected DVDs under Linux? Newest thing I have is Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. Copied fine with F11 and K3B 1.0.5. I haven't seen anything about any new copy protection schemes. Maybe you should post what you actually used to rip and the version numbers. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems ripping DVDs I legally own to my media server
On Monday 04 January 2010 04:29:37 Thomas Cameron wrote: > To make clear - I am only doing this with DVDs I legally own. I always understood all this DVD ownership thing in the following way --- you own the disk itself (the hardware media, the cheap part), and you own the right to play it in your home (the expensive part). But you don't own the data on the disk (I guess that would be 8-digit expensive), and therefore are not allowed to make copies of it, even for yourself. I am not sure that this interpretation is correct, but you may want to reread and rethink the copyright clause of your DVD's and understand more precisely what exactly you do own and what you do not own. That said, I perfectly understand the need to backup those DVD's. If movie companies would provide a service of replacing original but broken (or worn off) media with new ones, free of charge (or only for the cost of media), life would be much easier. But unfortunately, movie companies are greedy enough to require you to buy not only two copies of the media (cheap), but also two copies of the right to play it (expensive) when your media wears off. As a user, the only legitimate option you have is the illegal one --- to break the law and copy the data... :-) > Specifically, I tried to rip Transformers 2 Revenge of the Fallen. It > apparently has some new copy protection scheme where it reports that it > is 80 gigs, and every method I tried to decrypt them under Linux failed. In principle, every movie that can be played back on a computer can be copied on a hard disk (think of capturing the screen on every frame). So the real question is --- can you *play* the damn thing in Linux? If you can do a mplayer dvd:// and are able to watch it, then you can use mencoder to rip it. If you are not comfortable with command line, there are various GUI's for various encoders out there that can make things easier. > I wound up having to fire up my dusty old Windows box and use Ideal DVD > Copy to rip them successfully (http://tinyurl.com/yg8269g). Do you want to rip the DVD or to copy it? These things are not quite the same. Making an exact copy of the DVD may not be so easy, if at all possible. The manufacturer may intentionally implement hardware errors in the media, with the idea to check if those errors are present during playback (thus determining if the copy is legal or not). Those things are not easy to reproduce. OTOH, ripping is the procedure of re-recording the data that is being played. Provided that you are able to play the movie at all, this can always be done. > What, if anything, are you using to make legit backups of your newer, > copy-protected DVDs under Linux? If I want to rip the movie, I use mencoder. And I tweak the custom detailed options for every particular movie in order to get the best rip. If I want to copy the DVD, I usually use dd to create an .iso file. While the .iso is on the hard disk, I always loop mount it and check if the movie is playable from there (ie that there are no nasty copy-protection schemes involved). If it is, good. If it is not, I try to understand why, tweak the dd options a little in order to get it right, etc. If I fail or tweaking takes too much time, I give up and rip the movie instead. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems ripping DVDs I legally own to my media server
> To make clear - I am only doing this with DVDs I legally own. I am not > pirating, I am just trying to get all my DVDs onto a media server I am > building instead of having them strewn all over the entertainment center. It doesn't matter > Specifically, I tried to rip Transformers 2 Revenge of the Fallen. It > apparently has some new copy protection scheme where it reports that it > is 80 gigs, and every method I tried to decrypt them under Linux failed. Please hand yourself in to the thought police for punishment. > I wound up having to fire up my dusty old Windows box and use Ideal DVD > Copy to rip them successfully (http://tinyurl.com/yg8269g). For two offences, oh no a link - make that three 8) > What, if anything, are you using to make legit backups of your newer, > copy-protected DVDs under Linux? Move country outside the USA or the EU or a few other similar places. In the US case even posting a link to tools for cracking crypto on DVDs is not permitted (the 2600 case) Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems ripping DVDs I legally own to my media server
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 10:20 +, Alan Cox wrote: [...] > Move country outside the USA or the EU or a few other similar places. In > the US case even posting a link to tools for cracking crypto on DVDs is > not permitted (the 2600 case) Since you quoted the link Alan, you also are guilty ex post facto :-) poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems ripping DVDs I legally own to my media server
On 01/03/2010 10:58 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > Thomas Cameron wrote: >> All - >> >> To make clear - I am only doing this with DVDs I legally own. I am >> not pirating, I am just trying to get all my DVDs onto a media server >> I am building instead of having them strewn all over the entertainment >> center. >> >> Specifically, I tried to rip Transformers 2 Revenge of the Fallen. It >> apparently has some new copy protection scheme where it reports that >> it is 80 gigs, and every method I tried to decrypt them under Linux >> failed. >> >> I wound up having to fire up my dusty old Windows box and use Ideal >> DVD Copy to rip them successfully (http://tinyurl.com/yg8269g). >> >> What, if anything, are you using to make legit backups of your newer, >> copy-protected DVDs under Linux? >> > Are you saying it worked with older DVDs? Yes. > Do you have libdvdcss installed? Yes. I can *play* the DVD, I just couldn't *copy* it. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems ripping DVDs I legally own to my media server
On 01/04/2010 01:11 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > If I want to copy the DVD, I usually use dd to create an .iso file. How do you do that with a CSS-encrypted DVD? -- Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems ripping DVDs I legally own to my media server
On Monday 04 January 2010 20:59:36 Ian Pilcher wrote: > How do you do that with a CSS-encrypted DVD? He's merely copying the "scrambled" bits on the DVD to his hard-drive. CSS has nothing to do in the actual copying. There are, however, other techniques employed to make the copying really hard by regular tools (e.g. you'll need to ignore some errors etc...). Now, in order to play that iso file in your hard-drive (e.g. by mounting it with the loopback) you'll need to use software to "unscramble" those bits. In order to do it legally on Linux you'll need to use "PowerDVD for Linux" as LinDVD I think is no longer available... HTH, Jorge -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems ripping DVDs I legally own to my media server
On Tuesday 05 January 2010 00:59:36 Ian Pilcher wrote: > On 01/04/2010 01:11 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > If I want to copy the DVD, I usually use dd to create an .iso file. > > How do you do that with a CSS-encrypted DVD? I don't. I rip those using mencoder. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems ripping DVDs I legally own to my media server
On 01/04/2010 06:32 PM, Jorge Fábregas wrote: On Monday 04 January 2010 20:59:36 Ian Pilcher wrote: How do you do that with a CSS-encrypted DVD? He's merely copying the "scrambled" bits on the DVD to his hard-drive. CSS has nothing to do in the actual copying. There are, however, other techniques employed to make the copying really hard by regular tools (e.g. you'll need to ignore some errors etc...). Now, in order to play that iso file in your hard-drive (e.g. by mounting it with the loopback) you'll need to use software to "unscramble" those bits. In order to do it legally on Linux you'll need to use "PowerDVD for Linux" as LinDVD I think is no longer available... HTH, Jorge I have had good luck using the program "ddrescue" to copy DVDs with bad/weird sectors, mostly Chinese. Once you've copied it to disk as an iso file, VLC works well as a player. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
