Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba -Fixed?
Tim; Thanks for the advise. I made the changes I outlined, based on the info I read on the cited web site, and the system is working fine now. I think the big one was changing the order of the name resolution methods. As far as reading the "man samba.conf" file, no. I do have the Samba book however. Trying to find the root cause of the problem wasn't very intuitive. There is a section on NetBIOS name resolution but somehow I missed it. Plus when Nautilus pops up a screen saying it can't retrieve the file list from the server wasn't helpful. Then looking at the machines listed I saw at least a couple of them show up but you couldn't browse even those machines. Nothing was making much sense. I suppose if none showed up it would have been a bigger clue, at least for me. I wonder why simple share browsing has worked on every version of Fedora I tried, except for 11, including 12. All I can think of is some how the default order was swapped around, maybe, for some reason only the developers of the distro can answer. Of course I could be wrong, but it was odd never the less. I was almost at the point of dumping F11 completely just because of this one issue alone. Right now I have Windows XP Pro running in a newly installed VM on my dual core experimental box, the F11 one, and I don't see any shares, other than the host, show up. I'm not really surprised by this since the VM is on a different subnet from all of the other machines on my home LAN. I think one solution is setting up one box as a "domain browse master" and not a simple "local browse master". If I understand things right the domain master browser should collect browse lists for all local browse masters on the domain, including any subnets my LAN, and serve them up to any inquires by any requesting client machines. I guess setting up a dedicated Wins sever would be a clean way of doing it, but I'm a bit lazy, and I frequently mess around with the various machines. I just had to completely reinstall F12 last weekend because something happened where the entire free space on the user partition was consumed all of a sudden, all 140 GB worth of it! By what I don't know and I couldn't even get the box to reboot completely to a GUI screen without locking up solid. I had what looked like some ram sticks failing in the machine, a month back, requiring a "Red Switch" reboot multiple times over a 3 to 4 week period. Never did a file system check afterwards so I guess it finally caught up with me. Regards; Leland C. Scott KC8LDO - Original Message - From: "Tim" To: "KC8LDO" ; "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:00 AM Subject: Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba -Fixed? On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 18:54 -0500, KC8LDO wrote: I did an awful lot of research using Google on the network file share browsing issue I had with Fedora 11 using Nautilus. The two things that stand out are something the ISP's are doing and also with the NetBIOS name resolution order done by Samba. If you use local services that need to resolve local machine names, then you really need to have a local name server that can do so. No remote name server, such as your ISP's, is going to be able to do it for you (unless you have an ISP which allocates you individual IPs for each of your machines, and their DNS server integrates that information into itself - something of a rareity). The alternative to using a local name server, is messing with your hosts file. Samba avoids some of that problem by trying other methods of name resolution, first, before doing a normal DNS look up, such as you've looked at below: The second item is the NetBIOS name resolution order in Samba. I have the following line in my samba.conf file: name resolve order = lmhosts wins bcast host dhcp Anybody care to comment about this? Quite normal... First it's trying name resolution using its own lmhosts file, which you can enter machine names and IPs in (similar to the host file, but not the same). Then it tries a WINS server (if you have one). Then it tries a broadcast query, hoping that the machine in question will respond, itself. Then it tries looking up the hosts file. Finally, there's something to do with dhcp. Have you looked at "man smb.conf"? -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 18:54 -0500, KC8LDO wrote: > I did an awful lot of research using Google on the network file share > browsing issue I had with Fedora 11 using Nautilus. The two things > that stand out are something the ISP's are doing and also with the > NetBIOS name resolution order done by Samba. If you use local services that need to resolve local machine names, then you really need to have a local name server that can do so. No remote name server, such as your ISP's, is going to be able to do it for you (unless you have an ISP which allocates you individual IPs for each of your machines, and their DNS server integrates that information into itself - something of a rareity). The alternative to using a local name server, is messing with your hosts file. Samba avoids some of that problem by trying other methods of name resolution, first, before doing a normal DNS look up, such as you've looked at below: > The second item is the NetBIOS name resolution order in Samba. I have > the following line in my samba.conf file: > > name resolve order = lmhosts wins bcast host dhcp > > Anybody care to comment about this? Quite normal... First it's trying name resolution using its own lmhosts file, which you can enter machine names and IPs in (similar to the host file, but not the same). Then it tries a WINS server (if you have one). Then it tries a broadcast query, hoping that the machine in question will respond, itself. Then it tries looking up the hosts file. Finally, there's something to do with dhcp. Have you looked at "man smb.conf"? -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
"KC8LDO" writes: > It seems many ISP's are now using "DNS redirection" in place of simply > returning an error message that the URL can't be found with the > appropriate error code. You would do well to ignore any ISP-offered server. Fedora has the most up to date stable bind/named offered and bind will be kept up to date via yum. That is far more than any ISP nameserver I've seem. Most are literally a decade out of date, mangle any newer record types, and in the case of morally corrupt ISP's, may even perform a man-in-the-middle attack on the DNS data. Just ingnore their servers. You'll be happy you did. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht If the airwaves belong to the public why does the public only get 3 non-overlapping WIFI channels? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 00:04 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 22:53 -0500, KC8LDO wrote: > > Speaking about bogus resolvers, having the ISP's mess with DNS, is > > just the start of it. Wait until they get around to forcing people to > > install custom TCP/IP stacks that ONLY will work on their network as a > > means to monitor and control traffic. There is nothing the FCC has > > done that excludes this option. > > The FCC has no control whatsoever over Internet protocols, particularly > outside the USA. The tinfoil helmet brigade is getting restless. ;-P --Doc Savage -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 22:53 -0500, KC8LDO wrote: > Speaking about bogus resolvers, having the ISP's mess with DNS, is > just the start of it. Wait until they get around to forcing people to > install custom TCP/IP stacks that ONLY will work on their network as a > means to monitor and control traffic. There is nothing the FCC has > done that excludes this option. The FCC has no control whatsoever over Internet protocols, particularly outside the USA. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
> way through the user account preferences to turn this "feature" OFF. Various > posts on the 'net claim this violates the documented way DNS look ups work. It is > The suggestion is to either turn it off if you can, which may involve a > phone call to your ISP, if not then LOUDLY complain about it screwing up you > network. Oh and one other if you are particularly evil. If they are redirecting stuff which contains trademarks you can let the trademark owners know their marks are being used this way 8) Fortunately you can also run your own nameserver which generally works around the ISP. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
On 01/02/2010 10:53 PM, KC8LDO wrote: > Speaking about bogus resolvers, having the ISP's mess with DNS, is just > the start of it. Wait until they get around to forcing people to install > custom TCP/IP stacks that ONLY will work on their network as a means to > monitor and control traffic. There is nothing the FCC has done that > excludes this option. > A little paranoid are we ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
Bruno; I hear you about DNS sensor ship. I guess that's one way the great firewall of China does it. I have a buddy at work that had a 2 week gig to do in Abu Dhabi some months back. He couldn't use his Skype phone there. They had it filtered out including any of the third party proxy servers that were used for a while to get around the initial filtering being done. I told him setting up a proxy server at home maybe one way to prevent that from happening again. He has also had a few problems in China as well, but not with Sype so far. Speaking about bogus resolvers, having the ISP's mess with DNS, is just the start of it. Wait until they get around to forcing people to install custom TCP/IP stacks that ONLY will work on their network as a means to monitor and control traffic. There is nothing the FCC has done that excludes this option. Regards; Leland C. Scott KC8LDO - Original Message - From: "Bruno Wolff III" To: "KC8LDO" Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 7:54 PM Subject: Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed? On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 18:54:13 -0500, KC8LDO wrote: Anybody care to comment about this? You can also run your own caching resolver. Less ISPs mess with DNS packets than have bogus resolvers. It not just returning bogus addresses instead of nxdomain, but also bogus TTLs that can make seeing changes take longer and the potential for censorship as some censorship is done at the DNS level. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
On 01/02/2010 07:51 PM, Randy Yates wrote: 2) use opendns - its free and the fastest public dns > > I've been using 4.2.2.4 and 4.2.2.5 for years - is opendns better > than that? namebench GUI crashes on me (f12) but command line version runs fine .. it even tells you who is hijacking .. ha ha .. ./namebench.py -x I am running -r 20 as I dont want to wait for 200 tests .. also there are some graphs on the websit ein my prev email showing speeds from their tests using namebench. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
On 01/02/2010 07:51 PM, Randy Yates wrote: > Mail Lists writes: > >> On 01/02/2010 06:54 PM, KC8LDO wrote: >>> I did an awful lot of research using Google on the network file share >>> browsing issue I had with Fedora 11 using Nautilus. The two things that >> >> >>Stop using your ISP DNS then the problem goes away. >> >>either >> >>1) run your own DNS .. >> >>Or simply - >> >>2) use opendns - its free and the fastest public dns > > I've been using 4.2.2.4 and 4.2.2.5 for years - is opendns better > than that? You can test if its true for you - google has a tool (haven't tried it) called namebench http://code.google.com/p/namebench/ Maybe it can help .. or you could just run a few queries and see .. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 18:54:13 -0500, KC8LDO wrote: > > Anybody care to comment about this? You can also run your own caching resolver. Less ISPs mess with DNS packets than have bogus resolvers. It not just returning bogus addresses instead of nxdomain, but also bogus TTLs that can make seeing changes take longer and the potential for censorship as some censorship is done at the DNS level. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
Mail Lists writes: > On 01/02/2010 06:54 PM, KC8LDO wrote: >> I did an awful lot of research using Google on the network file share >> browsing issue I had with Fedora 11 using Nautilus. The two things that > > >Stop using your ISP DNS then the problem goes away. > >either > >1) run your own DNS .. > >Or simply - > >2) use opendns - its free and the fastest public dns I've been using 4.2.2.4 and 4.2.2.5 for years - is opendns better than that? -- Randy Yates % "And all that I can do Digital Signal Labs % is say I'm sorry, mailto://ya...@ieee.org % that's the way it goes..." http://www.digitalsignallabs.com % Getting To The Point', *Balance of Power*, ELO -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
On 01/02/2010 06:54 PM, KC8LDO wrote: > I did an awful lot of research using Google on the network file share > browsing issue I had with Fedora 11 using Nautilus. The two things that Stop using your ISP DNS then the problem goes away. either 1) run your own DNS .. Or simply - 2) use opendns - its free and the fastest public dns -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
