Re: Where is 2.6.32?
john wendel wrote: On 12/31/2009 12:14 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Konstantin Svist wrote: On 12/31/2009 09:10 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: And leaves you with no Fedora patches and the disk performance regression issues of 2.6.32. Also a tainted kernel which some developers will ignore if you get a trace, etc. I thought it's only tainted if there are non-GPL modules compiled in. For instance, I saw the tainted message whenever I insmod'ed fglrx driver You're right, I am assuming he was talking about the nvidia modules which are not GPL, when he mentioned 2.6.32.2+Nvidia. So it would only me tainted if he wanted to have graphics. Or the licensing may have changed, things are not the same for long. Who needs the Fedora patches? I'm not missing them here. Can you tell me exactly the patches I'm missing and what they would do for me? If these patches are so valuable, why aren't they submitted upstream so the world can benefit. Maybe because Linus doesn't want them? I haven't noticed any disk performance regression/problem. Maybe I don't beat it hard enough. hdparm -Tt shows 60.84 MB/s with the fedora kernel and 61.09 MB/s with my kernel. I know there's a CFS throughput problem, but that's easily fixed. You probably won't see a problem with random access using the hdpart sequential access test ;-) But there's a thread in LKML something like" 30% regression in random throughput" and depending on what you do you will really see that. My Fedora kernel would also be tainted, since I have to run the Nvidia driver in any case. I don't see any down side to running my own kernel. Plus I save 8MB of kernel memory (enough to negate the bloated Nvidia driver), and I enjoy the tweaking. I was mentioning 2.6.32 particularly, not building kernels in general. I built that to try the new video drivers (lock up and run 3x slower than vesa for me), and BFS (guess I don't trigger anything that shows its advantages, if any). But I don't bother to build daily kernels unless there a good reason. Been there done that, ran -ck, -aa, -mm, and -ac kernels, built 2.5 kernels daily, 3-4/day when CFS patches were coming out a lot, and unless I have a patch to test I leave it to others. Best wishes in the new year! John -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is 2.6.32?
On 12/31/2009 12:14 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Konstantin Svist wrote: On 12/31/2009 09:10 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: And leaves you with no Fedora patches and the disk performance regression issues of 2.6.32. Also a tainted kernel which some developers will ignore if you get a trace, etc. I thought it's only tainted if there are non-GPL modules compiled in. For instance, I saw the tainted message whenever I insmod'ed fglrx driver You're right, I am assuming he was talking about the nvidia modules which are not GPL, when he mentioned 2.6.32.2+Nvidia. So it would only me tainted if he wanted to have graphics. Or the licensing may have changed, things are not the same for long. Who needs the Fedora patches? I'm not missing them here. Can you tell me exactly the patches I'm missing and what they would do for me? If these patches are so valuable, why aren't they submitted upstream so the world can benefit. Maybe because Linus doesn't want them? I haven't noticed any disk performance regression/problem. Maybe I don't beat it hard enough. hdparm -Tt shows 60.84 MB/s with the fedora kernel and 61.09 MB/s with my kernel. I know there's a CFS throughput problem, but that's easily fixed. My Fedora kernel would also be tainted, since I have to run the Nvidia driver in any case. I don't see any down side to running my own kernel. Plus I save 8MB of kernel memory (enough to negate the bloated Nvidia driver), and I enjoy the tweaking. Best wishes in the new year! John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is 2.6.32?
Konstantin Svist wrote: On 12/31/2009 09:10 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: And leaves you with no Fedora patches and the disk performance regression issues of 2.6.32. Also a tainted kernel which some developers will ignore if you get a trace, etc. I thought it's only tainted if there are non-GPL modules compiled in. For instance, I saw the tainted message whenever I insmod'ed fglrx driver You're right, I am assuming he was talking about the nvidia modules which are not GPL, when he mentioned 2.6.32.2+Nvidia. So it would only me tainted if he wanted to have graphics. Or the licensing may have changed, things are not the same for long. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is 2.6.32?
On 12/31/2009 09:10 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: > And leaves you with no Fedora patches and the disk performance > regression issues of 2.6.32. Also a tainted kernel which some > developers will ignore if you get a trace, etc. I thought it's only tainted if there are non-GPL modules compiled in. For instance, I saw the tainted message whenever I insmod'ed fglrx driver -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is 2.6.32?
john wendel wrote: On 12/30/2009 06:08 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Konstantin Svist wrote: How come Fedora is still on 2.6.31? Is .32 held back on purpose or are there issues merging it? It took less than a week for .31.9 to be pushed through... but I don't see .32 in updates-testing and it's been almost a whole month... My personal experience with building 2.6.32.recent is that if they enhance the video drivers any more we will be running text only. Let the developers have the holiday off, and hopefully they will have run 2.6.32 on their laptops and be motivated to work on it. A new year is coming. F11 with kernel.org 2.6.32.2 + Nvidia driver working fine here. You really should learn to build a kernel from sources, once you get the config file done, the rest is easy. And leaves you with no Fedora patches and the disk performance regression issues of 2.6.32. Also a tainted kernel which some developers will ignore if you get a trace, etc. And the last time I looked there was no ATI patch for 2.6.32.2 unless I missed it. Building from source means it will compile, not that it will work. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is 2.6.32?
On 12/30/2009 06:08 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: > My personal experience with building 2.6.32.recent is that if they > enhance the video drivers any more we will be running text only. Let > the developers have the holiday off, and hopefully they will have run > 2.6.32 on their laptops and be motivated to work on it. > > A new year is coming. > Ouch, good point :D -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is 2.6.32?
On 12/30/2009 07:39 PM, john wendel wrote: > F11 with kernel.org 2.6.32.2 + Nvidia driver working fine here. You > really should learn to build a kernel from sources, once you get the > config file done, the rest is easy. I've done this way: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/CustomKernel But don't think it'll work so easily with vanilla - there's a boatload of patches from redhat, I don't really want to check myself which ones need to be applied and which don't. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is 2.6.32?
On 12/30/2009 06:08 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Konstantin Svist wrote: How come Fedora is still on 2.6.31? Is .32 held back on purpose or are there issues merging it? It took less than a week for .31.9 to be pushed through... but I don't see .32 in updates-testing and it's been almost a whole month... My personal experience with building 2.6.32.recent is that if they enhance the video drivers any more we will be running text only. Let the developers have the holiday off, and hopefully they will have run 2.6.32 on their laptops and be motivated to work on it. A new year is coming. F11 with kernel.org 2.6.32.2 + Nvidia driver working fine here. You really should learn to build a kernel from sources, once you get the config file done, the rest is easy. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is 2.6.32?
Konstantin Svist wrote: How come Fedora is still on 2.6.31? Is .32 held back on purpose or are there issues merging it? It took less than a week for .31.9 to be pushed through... but I don't see .32 in updates-testing and it's been almost a whole month... My personal experience with building 2.6.32.recent is that if they enhance the video drivers any more we will be running text only. Let the developers have the holiday off, and hopefully they will have run 2.6.32 on their laptops and be motivated to work on it. A new year is coming. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is 2.6.32?
On 12/30/2009 08:07 AM, Mike Cloaked wrote: > Paulo Cavalcanti gmail.com> writes: > >> >> > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-December/msg01138.html-- > Paulo Roma CavalcantiLCG - UFRJ >> > > Ahh - thank you - there is usually a good reason for these things... > > > > No, thats a really weird reason - the bug was noted in 2.62.32.rc4 ...or earlier back in late november .. it was fixed in rc5 and in final (dated dec 03). Don't understand why fedora 2.6.32 should have an old bug ... are we backporting bugs ? Or is the build in koji not been updated since rc4 ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is 2.6.32?
Paulo Cavalcanti gmail.com> writes: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-December/msg01138.html-- Paulo Roma CavalcantiLCG - UFRJ > Ahh - thank you - there is usually a good reason for these things... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is 2.6.32?
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Mike Cloaked wrote: > Mail Lists sapience.com> writes: > > > > > On 12/29/2009 07:54 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote: > > > How come Fedora is still on 2.6.31? Is .32 held back on purpose or are > > > there issues merging it? > > > It took less than a week for .31.9 to be pushed through... but I don't > > > see .32 in updates-testing and it's been almost a whole month... > > > > > > > Its not even in Koji ... unfortunately .. tho you may want to post > > this in fedora-dev or fedora-test rather than the "Community assistance, > > encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. list ... > > > > It looks like the kernel guys have been on a Christmas break - there are no > kernel builds at all in koji since the 24th maybe they will return > with > replenished New Year vigour and push out .32 for f11 and f12 before we can > blink > an eye! (Well we can hope anyway!) > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-December/msg01138.html -- Paulo Roma Cavalcanti LCG - UFRJ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is 2.6.32?
Mail Lists sapience.com> writes: > > On 12/29/2009 07:54 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote: > > How come Fedora is still on 2.6.31? Is .32 held back on purpose or are > > there issues merging it? > > It took less than a week for .31.9 to be pushed through... but I don't > > see .32 in updates-testing and it's been almost a whole month... > > > > Its not even in Koji ... unfortunately .. tho you may want to post > this in fedora-dev or fedora-test rather than the "Community assistance, > encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. list ... > It looks like the kernel guys have been on a Christmas break - there are no kernel builds at all in koji since the 24th maybe they will return with replenished New Year vigour and push out .32 for f11 and f12 before we can blink an eye! (Well we can hope anyway!) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is 2.6.32?
On 12/29/2009 07:54 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote: > How come Fedora is still on 2.6.31? Is .32 held back on purpose or are > there issues merging it? > It took less than a week for .31.9 to be pushed through... but I don't > see .32 in updates-testing and it's been almost a whole month... > Its not even in Koji ... unfortunately .. tho you may want to post this in fedora-dev or fedora-test rather than the "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. list ... ;-) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
