[Bug 478007] Review Request: vmware-requirements - Installs packages needed for VMware's virtualization programs to run

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--- Comment #19 from David Timms dti...@iinet.net.au  2009-02-01 02:16:32 EDT 
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For future reference for similar non Fedora application support packages,
please see the FESCo IRC log at:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Fesco_IRC_Log_20090130#tJan_30_11:46:53
and summary:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/104241

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[Bug 478007] Review Request: vmware-requirements - Installs packages needed for VMware's virtualization programs to run

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--- Comment #17 from Jon Stanley jonstan...@gmail.com  2009-01-30 14:41:25 
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FESCo has voted not to allow crutches for 3rd party packages, such as this one,
into Fedora.

This package is therefore blocked from Fedora.

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--- Comment #18 from David Timms dti...@iinet.net.au  2009-01-30 23:25:11 EDT 
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OK, thanks Jon for updating the review request, and to FESCo in taking some
time to examine the issue involved. Looking forward to how this went down in
the irc log/meeting notes ;).

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[Bug 478007] Review Request: vmware-requirements - Installs packages needed for VMware's virtualization programs to run

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[Bug 478007] Review Request: vmware-requirements - Installs packages needed for VMware's virtualization programs to run

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--- Comment #13 from Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com  2009-01-26 12:23:49 
EDT ---
(In reply to comment #12)
 Let me suggest that to force the resolution of the
 issue, perhaps it is simplest for a sponsored reviewer to review the package.
 If no packaging problems are found, accept the package. Once either cvs or
 builds are requested, this might cause some opened eyes and lead to a FeSCO
 discussion / decision, if anyone cares enough to reject it...

Just do it and see if anyone complains? That seems a bit off.

I'll raise this to FESCo and/or the Packaging committee, we'll get it sorted.

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--- Comment #14 from David Timms dti...@iinet.net.au  2009-01-26 16:25:12 EDT 
---
(In reply to comment #13)
 Just do it and see if anyone complains? That seems a bit off.
Perhaps I could have written more clearly, if a reviewer helps to make sure
that there is no non-conforming parts of the spec, then at least a committee
decision wouldn't be made confused by such issues.

 I'll raise this to FESCo and/or the Packaging committee, we'll get it sorted.
Excellent, thanks Bill.

I also see that someone blocked on FELegal, but I'm not sure what issue they
are concerned about.

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[Bug 478007] Review Request: vmware-requirements - Installs packages needed for VMware's virtualization programs to run

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--- Comment #15 from Itamar Reis Peixoto ita...@ispbrasil.com.br  2009-01-26 
16:33:30 EDT ---
 I also see that someone blocked on FELegal, but I'm not sure what issue they
 are concerned about.

vmware is a registered trademark, we need authorization to use this name ?

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--- Comment #16 from Denis Leroy de...@poolshark.org  2009-01-26 18:49:02 EDT 
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Itamar, please remove the legal block.

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[Bug 478007] Review Request: vmware-requirements - Installs packages needed for VMware's virtualization programs to run

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--- Comment #12 from David Timms dti...@iinet.net.au  2009-01-25 01:17:53 EDT 
---
(In reply to comment #10)
 Is it not an option to create an installation instructions document on the
 wiki, 
Well there is enough 3-4 page documents. The point with packaging is to make it
perhaps as easy as:
1. yum install vmware-requirements
2. yum -C localinstall /downloads/vmware-server*1.0.8.rpm
3. vmware-config.pl

 or propose for the VMware website, that states the packages you need to
 install on x86_64 / i386 before installing VMware (server)?
Sure it would be great if vmware:
- packaged the two free to use apps specifically for fedora (an os that they do
not support - at all)
- at least open sourced / GPLd the vmware-server-console app so that it can be
included in distributions.

(In reply to comment #11)
 I use VMWare a lot but I do have a hard time seeing this making it into Fedora
 even if brought to FeSCO. David 
Well, some individuals have rejected having this helper package on a few
grounds, none of whom are able to reference a part of the Packaging
Guidelines that it runs foul of. The other suggestion of using comps groups
has the issue that it can not work in this case on x86_64. Also, there is major
changes beginning development that would make comps groups essentially go away,
to be replaced with on-the-fly-built metapackages that achieve mostly the same
goals. 
see:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-packaging/2009-January/msg00021.html
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-packaging/2009-January/msg00032.html
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/102644

I was reminded that the Fedora Community make Fedora a possibility. Do we want
this package in Fedora ? Let me suggest that to force the resolution of the
issue, perhaps it is simplest for a sponsored reviewer to review the package.
If no packaging problems are found, accept the package. Once either cvs or
builds are requested, this might cause some opened eyes and lead to a FeSCO
discussion / decision, if anyone cares enough to reject it...

 I think it would be more productive to package this for RpmFusion
That is the last resort, and we need to confirm that there is no possibility of
the package being accepted into Fedora proper first, with an actual reason why
not. (That is the first question that an RPM Fusion reviewer would ask - why
can't it be in Fedora ?).

-
Updated Spec URL:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~timmsy/vmware-requirements/vmware-requirements.spec
SRPM URL:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~timmsy/vmware-requirements/vmware-requirements-1.0-2.fc10.src.rpm

- add missing server requires of files from pam.i386

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[Bug 478007] Review Request: vmware-requirements - Installs packages needed for VMware's virtualization programs to run

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--- Comment #11 from Denis Leroy de...@poolshark.org  2009-01-21 10:25:24 EDT 
---
I use VMWare a lot but I do have a hard time seeing this making it into Fedora
even if brought to FeSCO. David I think it would be more productive to package
this for RpmFusion.

 in real employment world we use xen/kvm/qemu

No offense, but you don't know what you're talking about. VMWare's share of the
virtualization market is about 80%. The rest is Microsoft. The FOSS solutions
are in the noise (unfortunately).

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[Bug 478007] Review Request: vmware-requirements - Installs packages needed for VMware's virtualization programs to run

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[Bug 478007] Review Request: vmware-requirements - Installs packages needed for VMware's virtualization programs to run

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--- Comment #9 from David Timms dti...@iinet.net.au  2008-12-31 02:48:52 EDT 
---
(In reply to comment #8)
 existing examples, but that doesn't make them good examples.  The proper
 solution for this kind of thing would be to use a comps group instead.
Is it possible in the comps group definition to require 32 bit libraries when
installing / running a 64bit kernel system ? (there is no evidence of such in
the eg Fedora-10-comps.xml).

Are comps groups made visible outside of during the anaconda installation (eg
like pup used to) ?

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--- Comment #7 from Jussi Lehtola jussi.leht...@iki.fi  2008-12-28 09:34:02 
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I agree, we shouldn't include support metapackages for proprietary software in
Fedora.

If you want to do something for virtualization in Fedora, there's plenty of
work to do e.g. with VirtualBox which is GPL.

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--- Comment #8 from Jason Tibbitts ti...@math.uh.edu  2008-12-28 13:07:13 EDT 
---
There are several issues here:

It's a metapackage.  We don't really want those in the distro.  Yes, there are
existing examples, but that doesn't make them good examples.  The proper
solution for this kind of thing would be to use a comps group instead.  Of
course, I'm sure that if you did commit a comps group for this, a line would
form to revert it.  

Are there plans to do this for whatever other commercial software someone might
install?  Why not have -requirements metapackages for every other piece of
software that nobody can bother to properly package for the distribution?  We
didn't even do this for flash (after having a similar discussion, mind you). 
Why would we do it for vmware?

Honestly, it is the responsibility of the software vendor to do integration
like this.  I'm sure there are many in the community who would be willing to
assist them in setting up a proper repository for Fedora users, with real
packages that have proper dependencies.  This half-way solution just doesn't do
the job on many levels, and entangles the distribution with semi-official
support for some random vendor's software.  No, thanks.

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--- Comment #1 from David Timms dti...@iinet.net.au  2008-12-27 09:23:36 EDT 
---
Koji scratch build result (success):
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1022934

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--- Comment #2 from Jason Tibbitts ti...@math.uh.edu  2008-12-27 14:28:03 EDT 
---
Vmware should supply this, not Fedora.

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--- Comment #3 from David Timms dti...@iinet.net.au  2008-12-27 17:32:36 EDT 
---
Agreed, but I think they never will.

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--- Comment #4 from Itamar Reis Peixoto ita...@ispbrasil.com.br  2008-12-27 
20:37:46 EDT ---
(In reply to comment #3)

why you don't fire your efforts in direction of open source programs, like KVM,
xen or QEMU ?

vmware is not opensource and your contribution can't be accepted.

please take a look.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#VMware

I am also agree with Jason Tibbitts

Vmware should supply this, not Fedora.

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--- Comment #5 from David Timms dti...@iinet.net.au  2008-12-27 21:26:20 EDT 
---
(In reply to comment #4)
 why you don't fire your efforts in direction of open source programs, like 
 KVM,
 xen or QEMU ?
USing Fedora gives users like me the advantages of Fedora and the capability to
contribute to the Fedora Project, but virtualization gives me what they may
require for the machine to be a useful (winxp) in the real employment world.

 vmware is not opensource
Correct.

 and your contribution can't be accepted.
I believe this to be incorrect. Please point to the section of the guidelines
that would exclude this meta package.

 please take a look.
I have. Did you notice that this request for review is a meta-package only. It
does not require any non-open source packages, nor any packages outside of the
Fedora world. At all.

I understand that there will be many who don't support the out of Fedora
applications, that this this will make easier to use, but I am yet to see
anything that would stop this package actually being acceptable to Fedora, and
am hence re-opening.

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--- Comment #6 from Itamar Reis Peixoto ita...@ispbrasil.com.br  2008-12-27 
22:06:49 EDT ---
(In reply to comment #5)

 USing Fedora gives users like me the advantages of Fedora and the capability 
 to
 contribute to the Fedora Project, but virtualization gives me what they may
 require for the machine to be a useful (winxp) in the real employment world.

I am using kvm to virtualize window$ at the ratio of 20:1, with extreme
performance.

in real employment world we use xen/kvm/qemu, have you tried one of these ?

If you want to leave this ticket open then go ahead, I am curious to see what
other developers think about this.

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