Re: our perl-core on p5p

2009-08-21 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 08/18/2009 08:17 AM, Stepan Kasal wrote: (The term perl-minimal would go nicely along with our vim-minimal and Debian's python-minimal and php-minimal. But vim-minimal is not required by vim-enhanced. And Debian does not use perl-minimal; perhaps perl-base predates the other *-minimal

Re: our perl-core on p5p

2009-08-18 Thread Stepan Kasal
Hello, On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 08:36:11PM +0100, Paul Howarth wrote: SLES-11 has a big perl with a perl-base that contains the interpreter and a very small set of modules. thank you, Paul, for this. You saved my time. Debian and mandrake use these package names the same way. I peeked into a

Re: our perl-core on p5p

2009-08-17 Thread Marcela Maslanova
- Tom \spot\ Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: Okay, so with all of that said, let me discuss what would happen if we were to switch the naming of perl and perl-core tomorrow: * Any packages which still have Requires: perl , rather than a more specific Requires: perl(foo::bar) would

Re: our perl-core on p5p

2009-08-17 Thread Stepan Kasal
Hello, On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:53:37AM -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: [...] what if someone runs yum install perl? I believe this is the crucial question. To satisfy the request raised on p5p, it would have to install all the core modules. But that would induce many accusation of bloat.

Re: our perl-core on p5p

2009-08-17 Thread Paul Howarth
On 17/08/09 14:21, Stepan Kasal wrote: Hello, On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:53:37AM -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: [...] what if someone runs yum install perl? I believe this is the crucial question. To satisfy the request raised on p5p, it would have to install all the core modules. But

Re: our perl-core on p5p

2009-08-17 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 08/17/2009 09:21 AM, Stepan Kasal wrote: I see no change that would significantly improve our overall image and thus I would stay with the current state, which at least minimizes the surprises. I'm not sure that it does. Right now, perl-core installs everything that comes with the perl

Re: our perl-core on p5p

2009-08-17 Thread Stepan Kasal
Hello, On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:06:48PM -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: Right now, perl-core installs everything that comes with the perl 5.10.0 tarball, not just the minimal core. The current naming is confusing. perl-core installs perl+core, i.e. the perl interpreter plus all the core

Re: our perl-core on p5p

2009-08-17 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 08/17/2009 12:42 PM, Stepan Kasal wrote: perl-core installs perl+core, i.e. the perl interpreter plus all the core modules. So I see _some_ logic behind that. Well, I like to think that I tried to put some logic behind it originally, but I think this is a better logic. :) I still think

Re: our perl-core on p5p

2009-08-17 Thread Paul Howarth
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:42:07 +0200 Stepan Kasal ska...@redhat.com wrote: Hello, On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:06:48PM -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: Right now, perl-core installs everything that comes with the perl 5.10.0 tarball, not just the minimal core. The current naming is

Re: our perl-core on p5p

2009-08-14 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Marcela Maslanovammasl...@redhat.com wrote: Hello, our new split of upstream perl package into perl-core and many other perl-Some-Module was criticised at p5p http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl5.porters/72031 I'm not sure who decided the split

Re: our perl-core on p5p

2009-08-14 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 08/13/2009 10:36 AM, Marcela Maslanova wrote: Hello, our new split of upstream perl package into perl-core and many other perl-Some-Module was criticised at p5p http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl5.porters/72031 I'm not sure who decided the split and why we did this, but

our perl-core on p5p

2009-08-13 Thread Marcela Maslanova
Hello, our new split of upstream perl package into perl-core and many other perl-Some-Module was criticised at p5p http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl5.porters/72031 I'm not sure who decided the split and why we did this, but someone should answer reasonably which means better