Jennifer – open mouth breathing and pain are also signs of severe anemia. I am sure that Maribel knows her cat and the situation much better than we can ever know it. I think it is important to encourage and support each other when we are trying to save a cat. I know that I have saved far far far too many cats who had been labeled as dying, and not save-able.
Amani From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich Sent: August 6, 2020 3:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) Dear Maribel, for Amy’s sake, If she is not eating for other reasons and can be saved & nursed back to health, that is one thing..... IF she is in the actual dying process, in any final stages of dying, you are doing more harm than good with forcing fluids and forcing food down her throat, particularly when she’s telling you to stop with open mouth breathing (clear sign of respiratory distress) and pain (moaning). When a body is dying, it naturally stops eating and drinking... this is coming from hospice and animal hospice experience. Please try to talk to your vets, or research ‘stages of dying’ in order to articulate where amy is at, and not to confuse actual stages of dying signs with other sorts of symptoms of illness.... ( btw, brighthaven.org<http://brighthaven.org> is an excellent resource for this information and guidance that I have referenced — they also have amazingly compassionate consultations if you need guidance of what to look for...)... Wishing you and Amy love and comfort... Jennifer On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:06 PM, "dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>" <dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote: have they tested for internal bleeding? maybe is hemoraging. i was syringe feeding my 12 year old Homey. had to cover my lap . i mixed the canned food with warm water so would go through 20ml syringe. then broke my right arm and had to stop,is eating maybe a spoon full each day, just enough to keep her alive. she stopped after some time on Felimazole 2.5mg. also after started giving treats as reward for taking pill. loves the treats but not her food. have tried to mix treats with food in blender, no go. going to try your method of balling up the food. may be neater and get more down her. ----- Original Message ----- From: Maribel Piloto <pilo...@bellsouth.net<mailto:pilo...@bellsouth.net>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 12:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out. I tried to syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started breathing open mouth and moaning. She just gets up to turn positions now and just lays back down. I know she needs another blood transfusion but after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left. Even that I was only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser. They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia. She is neither FIV nor Leuk pos. She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other parasites they tested for. The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak. I live in South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get that. I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating. One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few sittings though. I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food into a cat who won't eat on her own. Amani -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it. Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq fluids. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley > <aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > may be able to order it sooner. > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander > dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his > behaviour. > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you > sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an > option. > > Amani > > -----Original Message----- > From: Felvtalk > <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> > On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is dying > from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after the > transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered the > drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery > they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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