Re: OT: UPDATE ON THOR
Tonya Pred???catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a cat that does that because of allergies (ears). He is negative and usually gets pred. when it happens. tonyaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All Ok Thor ate some yesterday and now is back to not eating, it is so spuratic I do not know what to think. There is no blood colored discharge from his mouth at all today, I was thinking maybe he is loosing a tooth, but he is still too young he is only 14 weeks old, I am just taking him day by day now. Amber my FeLV positive also seems to be having an ear problem, she scratched it so muchthe hair is gone and now there is a scabchecked for ear mites, she is clean, checked for ear infection, again she is clean, any thoughts? Thanks all Cherie
RE: OT: need advise again
Hideyo, I am pulling for ya, good luck, keep up informed.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my corona virus positive cats, Simon who is about 7 or 8 years stopped eating since last Friday night all of sudden and he started hiding all of sudden with all of my corona virus positive cats with unknown cause of illness, the first place I go is usually oh my gosh, its FIP and I freak out. Anyway, yesterday I took him to the vet, I was worried how we were going to diagnose him since he is sort of feral and never held him, but he did so well. He just wanted to hide in my jacket, but did very well. Anyway, he did not have a fever which is a good thing and there was no abnormality in tummy area as far as the vet could tell. His inside mouth looked pretty good, too. The blood work came back all normal except that he had a very high total bilirubin of 4.6 (the normal range is between 0.1 and 0.4) any other liver/kidney measurement was normal. He did have higher protein level with higher globulin but I also know that it can be caused by dehydration, too. But the vet was not sure what was causing him an illness. After a shot of penicillin and I also gave him 100ml of fluid, he seems to be feeling a little bit better since he was not hiding this morning and even went outside for a while last night. He also tried to eat a bit. Any idea whats wrong with him? Regardless, please pray that he will get better soon he is already getting skinny (in his hip and hind leg area) and am worried. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: UPDATE ON THOR I have a cat that does that because of allergies (ears). He is negative and usually gets pred. when it happens. tonyaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All Ok Thor ate some yesterday and now is back to not eating, it is so spuratic I do not know what to think. There is no blood colored discharge from his mouth at all today, I was thinking maybe he is loosing a tooth, but he is still too young he is only 14 weeks old, I am just taking him day by day now. Amber my FeLV positive also seems to be having an ear problem, she scratched it so muchthe hair is gone and now there is a scabchecked for ear mites, she is clean, checked for ear infection, again she is clean, any thoughts? Thanks all Cherie
need help - a negative, later positive - ?
I've got a question - our group took in a kitten from animal control , 8 weeks old, in May 2003. He was tested for FELV/FIV (Elisa snap test) in November 2003, and tested negative. We adopted him out about March 2004. The new owner just reported back that he was havine URI problems, and he tested positive for FELV. I've heard that tests on kittens aren't dependable. Any insight into this? Gloria
Re: allergies/overgrooming
It's behavioral-- anxiety related. The benadryl sort of works like a valium, I think. It's an extremely small dose, and just calms. Michelle In a message dated 4/5/05 11:38:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks, I'm going to ask about it again before I turn to pred. Do you know if she actually has allergies or if it's behavioral only? t
Re: need help - a negative, later positive - ?
I would have the cat retested on IFA. Cats can test negative if they are postive if it's during the intal virus incubation. We had a cat test negative in our group the kittens got adopted. One got really sick took to vet and he tested postitive. All the other did too. Retested the mom and she was positive. My guess the the cat was just infected and had not gone thru the blood stream. Or could just be a false positive meaning the cat was around a cat that was positive. Hard to tell I would retest and if + retest in 3 months. If it's early enough then maybe the kitten can through off the virus. Carla Date sent: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 09:29:00 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copies to: Subject:need help - a negative, later positive - ? Send reply to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I've got a question - our group took in a kitten from animal control , 8 weeks old, in May 2003. He was tested for FELV/FIV (Elisa snap test) in November 2003, and tested negative. We adopted him out about March 2004. The new owner just reported back that he was havine URI problems, and he tested positive for FELV. I've heard that tests on kittens aren't dependable. Any insight into this? Gloria
RE: need help - a negative, later positive - ?
Gloria~~the test on one of my FeLV kittens wasn't dependable. Flavia tested negative the day I met her--she was 14 weeks. The rescuer and I were thrilled. A month later she was re-tested when she was spayed, and she came up positive. We were devastated. The vet had never said a word about the possibility of a reversal in the test result. (She has also re-tested positive again since then.) I've read since then that in kittens the test doesn't necessarily reveal the presence of FeLV as soon as it appears in the body, and that you need to re-test 3 months later. Certainly Flavia's experience reflects this advice. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: need help - a negative, later positive - ? I've got a question - our group took in a kitten from animal control , 8 weeks old, in May 2003. He was tested for FELV/FIV (Elisa snap test) in November 2003, and tested negative. We adopted him out about March 2004. The new owner just reported back that he was havine URI problems, and he tested positive for FELV. I've heard that tests on kittens aren't dependable. Any insight into this? Gloria This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
[Fwd: Re: signs of anemia?]
Hi Christine, I forwarded you post to the rest of the list. I'm sure there will be others that will help with suggestions and support. I'm sorry your baby is in trouble. The Dox, V-B and iron should help, it's a really good start. I would also ask your vet about oral interferon, (Interferon A). It's used for humans with cancer and it helps boost immune function. The feline interferon is better, but it's not approved by the FDA, so is difficult to get and is expensive. I've found that giving the regular interferon, (it looks and tastes just like water and I use it to chase the Dox pill), helps my babies feel better, and it just might help Victor system fight whatever is wrong. One thing I can tell you is, don't listen to anyone who tells you that Victor only has a short time to live. Many vets think FeLV cats are doomed the minute they test positive. It just isn't true. I just had someone on another list (for IBD) tell me about two FeLV positive cats that lived well into their teens. Everyone on this list has seen miraculous turn-arounds with love and the right medications. Keep a very close eye on Victor, let us know how he's doing. Make sure he continues to eat and watch him for signs of dehydration, (gently tug the skin at the back of his neck up and see how fast it springs back). I'm sure others will respond with more help. Thank you for rescuing Victor and being such a good mom. Take heart, you're not alone. Sending prayers for you and Victor for a speedy recovery, Nina ---BeginMessage--- Hi, I saw that you have a lot of experience with FELV+ cats. I rescued a feral cat, Victor, 5 years ago. He tested positive for FELV and had fleas and worms very bad. We treated everything at the time and has done fabulous until just recently. I started to notice he was looking thinner so I brought him into the vet today (we are new to this area in Western Minnesota and only have access to a very traditional vet). This vet said he is dying and only has a couple weeks give him injections of iron and B complex. I called another vet in Minneapolis and he said that he thinks Victor has hemobartinella. I went to the local vet and got doxycycline and prednisone per the Minneapolis vet. Is there anything else I should do? Thanks, Christine ---End Message---
Re: Feline Interferon (omega)/cost
Hey Michelle, So all in all, how much do you project that it will cost? Thanks so much - Gloria At 11:26 AM 4/6/2005, you wrote: Gloria, My vet's liaison, Michelle Rose, has a packet of info for any vet that's interested in getting a special dispensation from the FDA, (your vet's office has to make the call). After you get the approval it still needs to be ordered from the UK. I'm pretty sure Michelle has included that info as well, (the company is called Abbey Vet). Marlene just posted about her investigations concerning availability in Canada, apparently it's not available there yet except on an emergency basis. BTW, Marlene, You asked about the costs. So far it's cost me about $750 bucks for three boxes, which is Abbey Vet's minimum order, (5 double vials in each box). Part of that cost includes the monetary exchange rate with Europe, which is not great right now. When we can get it from Canada, we'll at least save in that regard, and the shipping should be faster. The 3 boxes of VO are at least enough for 3, separate 5 day protocols, since my cats are so small, I've been able to treat two cats at a time, with one getting the lion's share, (whoever's sickest). So, it does last awhile. I've just placed my 3rd order, (still scratching my head about how I'm going to pay my credit card off!). Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: What is the latest re how to get Feline Interferon, btw? I have a vet who's interested, if I know where to start. Do we go thru the bureaucracy / FDA, or can we order from England, or what? Gloria
Re: need help - a negative, later positive - ?
bottom line seems to be that ANY cat that tests positive for FeLV needs to be retested in 90 days the problem, of course, is that what rescue/shelter has the holding capacity for this i've been thinking about this for awhile--whether folks with confirmed FeLVs would be willing/able to work with rescues and serve as foster parents during the waiting period. as we know, many cats will retest as negative if given the chance, but the panic induced by the term FeLV makes it hard for rescues to hear about options if they haven't already a plan for dealing with cats who test positive. (i'm working with two breed rescues right now re: developing such a plan... ) another issue involved: we tell people NOT to euthanize their FeLVs because we love ours, but not everyone can handle the emotional and financial demands a FeLV involves--but how many of us realistically can/will offer to take in these saved cats? i don't know what the answer is--tho education is DEFINITELY part of it; i've had both rescues and catparents calm down enough to look at alternatives once they're given accurate information on what FeLV is and isn't, how it's transmitted etc. i'd really like to see this discussed--even better, to see it solved! (yeah, right and how long have i been delusional?)
Re: Feline Interferon (omega)/cost
Oops - brain stress, I guess - reading too many emails at once. I knew that it was Nina! So sounds like it could cost maybe $750 for each batch. Does your vet administer it sub q or iv? How many times / months is that anticipated, I wonder? Thanks much - Gloria At 12:24 PM 4/6/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria, It's actually, Nina writing! I'm not sure what costs you're talking about here. What I've been paying is the $750 for the minimum order from Abbey Vet. My vet's office hasn't been charging me for the paperwork, or adding anything to the amount charged by the drug company, the $750 includes postage. I guess that's up to each vet. I suppose my vet is taking pity on me, Grace and Jazz aren't the only ones I bring to this vet, so maybe they think they've gotten enough out of me, who knows? I don't know how much Michelle Lerner (Simon and Lucy's mom), paid, and I know that Kyle has started his application dispensation work with the FDA, so we'll see how much it costs him. I haven't gotten a cost on my latest shipment either, maybe it's gone down! I hope so. I hesitated in ordering it again, but I could just picture myself with a sick kitty and no way to help her, so I bit the bullet and charged it yet again. Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: Hey Michelle, So all in all, how much do you project that it will cost? Thanks so much - Gloria At 11:26 AM 4/6/2005, you wrote: Gloria, My vet's liaison, Michelle Rose, has a packet of info for any vet that's interested in getting a special dispensation from the FDA, (your vet's office has to make the call). After you get the approval it still needs to be ordered from the UK. I'm pretty sure Michelle has included that info as well, (the company is called Abbey Vet). Marlene just posted about her investigations concerning availability in Canada, apparently it's not available there yet except on an emergency basis. BTW, Marlene, You asked about the costs. So far it's cost me about $750 bucks for three boxes, which is Abbey Vet's minimum order, (5 double vials in each box). Part of that cost includes the monetary exchange rate with Europe, which is not great right now. When we can get it from Canada, we'll at least save in that regard, and the shipping should be faster. The 3 boxes of VO are at least enough for 3, separate 5 day protocols, since my cats are so small, I've been able to treat two cats at a time, with one getting the lion's share, (whoever's sickest). So, it does last awhile. I've just placed my 3rd order, (still scratching my head about how I'm going to pay my credit card off!). Nina
RE: need help - a negative, later positive - ?
I think that's a great idea, but (and maybe I've misunderstood what you say) I'd be afraid a foster cat who might otherwise re-test negative would actually contract the virus while being fostered with the positives..? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: need help - a negative, later positive - ? bottom line seems to be that ANY cat that tests positive for FeLV needs to be retested in 90 days the problem, of course, is that what rescue/shelter has the holding capacity for this i've been thinking about this for awhile--whether folks with confirmed FeLVs would be willing/able to work with rescues and serve as foster parents during the waiting period. as we know, many cats will retest as negative if given the chance, but the panic induced by the term FeLV makes it hard for rescues to hear about options if they haven't already a plan for dealing with cats who test positive. (i'm working with two breed rescues right now re: developing such a plan... ) another issue involved: we tell people NOT to euthanize their FeLVs because we love ours, but not everyone can handle the emotional and financial demands a FeLV involves--but how many of us realistically can/will offer to take in these saved cats? i don't know what the answer is--tho education is DEFINITELY part of it; i've had both rescues and catparents calm down enough to look at alternatives once they're given accurate information on what FeLV is and isn't, how it's transmitted etc. i'd really like to see this discussed--even better, to see it solved! (yeah, right and how long have i been delusional?) This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: [Fwd: Re: signs of anemia?]
nina, GREAT reminder about the medical model that infects human and veterinary medicine: diagnose-medicate-cure-dismiss. chronic illnesses short-circuit this simple plan. not only are patients/guardians blamed when there is no cure, but once a single diagnosis is made, most of the time ANYTHING that ever happens to that patient/critter is related back to the initial diagnosis! we all know that FeLV cats are healthy cats until the virus is activated; just cuz one gets sick or even dies, it isn't inevitably the FeLV that's the culprit
Re: need help - a negative, later positive - ?
well, this is where we have to get the science people in if a cat tests positive, it means it's been exposed to the virus. i would THINK that if it's gonna be able to throw the virus off (develop an immunity to the virus), it's gonna do that anyway. ie, if it's a healthy cat to start with who is in the process of expelling the virus (or whatever the technical term is), i don't think that further exposure is cumulative. i know of one cat who tested positive, went to live with a household of 20+ felvs, and was never retested. well, after major trauma, including a 1500-mile transport, said cat surprisingly gave birth to five heatlhy kittens--retesting her and all the kittens produced all negative results one of the rescues i'm working with re: felvs has an immunology doctoral student who is helping me understand more of the science--this is one of the things i need to run by her! obviously, we do NOT want to infect any negative cats! (tho part of the problem with all the mis-information re: FeLV is that even people with the facilities to segregate a possible-positive foster are afraid to--remember, there are still people relinquishing their beloved FeLVs to sanctuaries because their friends and family won't visit because they're sure that either they or their cats will catch the FeLV that way)education again--people who find out that FeLV is not transmitted by a glance across a crowded room WILL isolate a cat for the purposes of retesting when given adequate info...
Re: need help - a negative, later positive - ?
Dear Delusional - No, MC, just kidding! It is a problem - how do you find those exceptions that pop up? And I'll bet it's harder on the breed rescues, when they encounter the FELV cats. Right now, we just have people who'll take them. Or, when They've already adopted and are in love, they keep the kitty. Right now I'm sold on interferon alpha, so waiting to see if my two FELV fosters to pass the 3 years of age mark, then I'll be totally raving about interferon. And, I'm waiting to see the Interferon-Omega cure for Nina's cat. I've also ordered some of Dr. Belfields vitamins. Gloria At 01:31 PM 4/6/2005, you wrote: bottom line seems to be that ANY cat that tests positive for FeLV needs to be retested in 90 days the problem, of course, is that what rescue/shelter has the holding capacity for this i've been thinking about this for awhile--whether folks with confirmed FeLVs would be willing/able to work with rescues and serve as foster parents during the waiting period. as we know, many cats will retest as negative if given the chance, but the panic induced by the term FeLV makes it hard for rescues to hear about options if they haven't already a plan for dealing with cats who test positive. (i'm working with two breed rescues right now re: developing such a plan... ) another issue involved: we tell people NOT to euthanize their FeLVs because we love ours, but not everyone can handle the emotional and financial demands a FeLV involves--but how many of us realistically can/will offer to take in these saved cats? i don't know what the answer is--tho education is DEFINITELY part of it; i've had both rescues and catparents calm down enough to look at alternatives once they're given accurate information on what FeLV is and isn't, how it's transmitted etc. i'd really like to see this discussed--even better, to see it solved! (yeah, right and how long have i been delusional?)
TeeCee Needs a Bath, what do I do?
TeeCee hasnt groomed himself in the last week (due to the mouth ulcers?), how do I clean him? Hes on the liver shake, supplements, etc and has turned CARROT colored from the Carrot juice in the supplement. Hes also gotten just cruddy other places. Whats the least invasive way to clean this kitty? Is Witch hazel on cotton balls okay? Thanks, Steph
Re: TeeCee Needs a Bath, what do I do?
At PetSmart they have wipes to clean the cats with then just pet TeeCee while you bathe him or go to http://www1.revivalanimal.com/default.aspand they have the wipes also.Stephanie E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TeeCee hasnt groomed himself in the last week (due to the mouth ulcers?), how do I clean him? Hes on the liver shake, supplements, etc and has turned CARROT colored from the Carrot juice in the supplement. Hes also gotten just cruddy other places. Whats the least invasive way to clean this kitty? Is Witch hazel on cotton balls okay? Thanks, Steph
RE: need help - a negative, later positive - ?
Title: Message if a cat tests positive, it means it's been exposed to the virus.Is that always necessarily the case? I thought tests weren't 100% accurate---that they can givethe wrong result? (False positive?) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCatsSent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 2:07 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: need help - a negative, later positive - ?well, this is where we have to get the science people in if a cat tests positive, it means it's been exposed to the virus. i would THINK that if it's gonna be able to throw the virus off (develop an immunity to the virus), it's gonna do that anyway. ie, if it's a healthy cat to start with who is in the process of expelling the virus (or whatever the technical term is), i don't think that further exposure is cumulative. i know of one cat who tested positive, went to live with a household of 20+ felvs, and was never retested. well, after major trauma, including a 1500-mile transport, said cat surprisingly gave birth to five heatlhy kittens--retesting her and all the kittens produced all negative results one of the rescues i'm working with re: felvs has an immunology doctoral student who is helping me understand more of the science--this is one of the things i need to run by her! obviously, we do NOT want to infect any negative cats!(tho part of the problem with all the mis-information re: FeLV is that even people with the facilities to segregate a possible-positive foster are afraid to--remember, there are still people relinquishing their beloved FeLVs to sanctuaries because their friends and family won't visit because they're sure that either they or their cats will catch the FeLV that way)education again--people who find out that FeLV is not transmitted by a glance across a crowded room WILL isolate a cat for the purposes of retesting when given adequate info...This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: TeeCee Needs a Bath, what do I do?
Title: Message That's good to know--thanks Cherie! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 2:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: TeeCee Needs a Bath, what do I do? At PetSmart they have wipes to clean the cats with then just pet TeeCee while you bathe him or go to http://www1.revivalanimal.com/default.aspand they have the wipes also.Stephanie E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TeeCee hasnt groomed himself in the last week (due to the mouth ulcers?), how do I clean him? Hes on the liver shake, supplements, etc and has turned CARROT colored from the Carrot juice in the supplement. Hes also gotten just cruddy other places. Whats the least invasive way to clean this kitty? Is Witch hazel on cotton balls okay? Thanks, StephThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: need help - a negative, later positive - ?
the good news is that vets aren't automatically euthanizing all cats who test positive for FeLV, the bad news is that vets aren't automatically euthanizing all cats who test positive for FeLV... outreach to rescues? it's not that hard to find breed rescues, and even if we all just individually spoke with the rescues we know/work with personally, we'd reach a lot of people. it's amazing to see how quickly reasonable people calm down and readjust their thinking once given accurate info. six years ago, i still thought that if my cats sniffed an FeLV cat through a screen, they were done for! vet outreach is another thing--i keep reminding people to list their vets on the FIV/FeLV-friendly vet list. i'd never discussed FeLV with my vet before he became the sanctuary vet--when i did, he said that he always tells people to retest, that that's what he was taught in vet school! i think a lot of vets have FeLV clients out there--are some of them potential list members/resources/fosters? part of the rescue outreach would be for them to discuss the issue with their vets before the situation arises there are a couple of net-accessible lists of vets--not to mention the phone books--could some of us take on the task of assembling a more widespread list of vets who are FeLV-friendly? (even if they are NOT up on all the newest treatments, if they're amenable to working and learning) i know we all have lives of our own, and what i'm talking about sounds huge--cuz, of course, it is. i'm a stay-at-home-cat-mom (on disability; ie, a member of the idle poor), so i've got time and (limited!) energy to give--if others can help out!
Re: Feline Interferon (omega)/cost
Gloria, It's been $750 per order, 3 batches per order. If we use it the way Paolo did, then it would be 1 box per protocol, (5 days of treatment duration, 1 vial per day). So one batch would actually cost, one third of that. I just realized that you are the one with the question about the rescue kitten who tested negative and then re-tested positive. One of the great hopes I have for the VO, is that if a cat is in the first few stages of infection, the VO may help them to clear it. This is only my hope/suspicion, I've never seen any research on this, but it makes sense to me that if the virus is still being fought by the host, and it hasn't entered their bone marrow, there is a better chance of clearing it. Are you asking these questions about the VO for the kitten in question? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: Oops - brain stress, I guess - reading too many emails at once. I knew that it was Nina! So sounds like it could cost maybe $750 for each batch. Does your vet administer it sub q or iv? How many times / months is that anticipated, I wonder? Thanks much - Gloria At 12:24 PM 4/6/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria, It's actually, Nina writing! I'm not sure what costs you're talking about here. What I've been paying is the $750 for the minimum order from Abbey Vet. My vet's office hasn't been charging me for the paperwork, or adding anything to the amount charged by the drug company, the $750 includes postage. I guess that's up to each vet. I suppose my vet is taking pity on me, Grace and Jazz aren't the only ones I bring to this vet, so maybe they think they've gotten enough out of me, who knows? I don't know how much Michelle Lerner (Simon and Lucy's mom), paid, and I know that Kyle has started his application dispensation work with the FDA, so we'll see how much it costs him. I haven't gotten a cost on my latest shipment either, maybe it's gone down! I hope so. I hesitated in ordering it again, but I could just picture myself with a sick kitty and no way to help her, so I bit the bullet and charged it yet again. Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: Hey Michelle, So all in all, how much do you project that it will cost? Thanks so much - Gloria At 11:26 AM 4/6/2005, you wrote: Gloria, My vet's liaison, Michelle Rose, has a packet of info for any vet that's interested in getting a special dispensation from the FDA, (your vet's office has to make the call). After you get the approval it still needs to be ordered from the UK. I'm pretty sure Michelle has included that info as well, (the company is called Abbey Vet). Marlene just posted about her investigations concerning availability in Canada, apparently it's not available there yet except on an emergency basis. BTW, Marlene, You asked about the costs. So far it's cost me about $750 bucks for three boxes, which is Abbey Vet's minimum order, (5 double vials in each box). Part of that cost includes the monetary exchange rate with Europe, which is not great right now. When we can get it from Canada, we'll at least save in that regard, and the shipping should be faster. The 3 boxes of VO are at least enough for 3, separate 5 day protocols, since my cats are so small, I've been able to treat two cats at a time, with one getting the lion's share, (whoever's sickest). So, it does last awhile. I've just placed my 3rd order, (still scratching my head about how I'm going to pay my credit card off!). Nina
Re: need help - a negative, later positive - ?
again, this is where my grasp of the medical falls short. i don't know what research has been done re: prevalence of false positives, how/if they relate to the tests used, and other factors. which, again, brings up the issue of whether a healthy, adult cat that's exposed to the virus (even if originally a false positive) is necessarily going to retain it if subsequently exposed
Re: TeeCee Needs a Bath, what do I do?
Hi Stephanie, I'm glad to hear TeeCee is hanging in. Have you found other ways to help him get better? Did your vet give you anything for his mouth ulcers? I don't know if this will help, but when my girls are having problems with Gingivitis, I give them Peroxicam. I have it compounded and it tastes like a heavy cooking oil. It's works like aspirin would on people, helps with inflammation, it might help TeeCee's discomfort. Poor baby. About helping him with grooming... Is he still enjoying being petted? If he is, get a bowl of warm water and use a wrung out cloth, (make sure it's not too wet), to "groom" him the way his mom would. My little Gypsy's, (the one suffering with IBD) hygiene is completely out of control. (She has lost control of her bowels and has liquid diarrhea). I have a double sink, I fill each side with warm water and use one side for bathing and the other for rinsing. I put her little front paws on the sink divider so she doesn't have to stand with all four paws submersed. I thought she'd give me a really hard time with this, (and she did the first time), but when she saw that it didn't hurt and that she was clean afterward, she calmed down and will let me bathe her without too much fuss. Make sure if you get TeeCee wet, that he's kept warm until completely dry. I put Gypsy in a wire dog crate with a space heater facing her and a heating pad wrapped in towels, set on low, for her to sit on if she wants. Nina Stephanie E Caldwell wrote: TeeCee hasnt groomed himself in the last week (due to the mouth ulcers?), how do I clean him? Hes on the liver shake, supplements, etc and has turned CARROT colored from the Carrot juice in the supplement. Hes also gotten just cruddy other places. Whats the least invasive way to clean this kitty? Is Witch hazel on cotton balls okay? Thanks, Steph
so much for fantasy...
okay, first word back from the experts is that it probably would NOT be a good idea to put a cat who might be fighting off the virus in with positives--if the immune system is busy fighting off the virus to start with, it doesn't need the added stress. especially since there are different strains of the virus--once more, the limits of my knowledge: i KNOW there are different strains, but i tend to forget about it since i don't really understand it... a virology instructor at u of m (ann arbor) has been contacted for more details... so--that would limit fostering to those people/places who have room to segregate kitties for the retesting period. OR to homes with healthy, vaccinated negatives. which doesn't change the need for foster homes for definite, re-tested and confirmed, positives who need a safe place to live while placement efforts go on. (i know we can't save even all the healthy cats who need homes--am i being completely unrealistic about even trying to save the FeLVs should i just accept that the very limited number of FeLV homes we have are all that's possible right now, and let this go? i do not feel objective enough to answer that question for myself) -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
RE: so much for fantasy...
Title: Message am i being completely unrealistic about even trying to save the FeLVs?? Hey MaryChristine, I wouldn't evenput yourself through the wringerwondering about that...the way things are, and the way I see it, these little FeLV kitties need as many folks as possible to go bat for them. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCatsSent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 3:24 PMTo: FeLVTalkSubject: so much for fantasy...okay, first word back from the experts is that it probably would NOT be a good idea to put a cat who might be fighting off the virus in with positives--if the immune system is busy fighting off the virus to start with, it doesn't need the added stress. especially since there are different strains of the virus--once more, the limits of my knowledge: i KNOW there are different strains, but i tend to forget about it since i don't really understand it...a virology instructor at u of m (ann arbor) has been contacted for more details...so--that would limit fostering to those people/places who have room to segregate kitties for the retesting period. OR to homes with healthy, vaccinated negatives. which doesn't change the need for foster homes for definite, re-tested and confirmed, positives who need a safe place to live while placement efforts go on.(i know we can't save even all the healthy cats who need homes--am i being completely unrealistic about even trying to save the FeLVs should i just accept that the very limited number of FeLV homes we have are all that's possible right now, and let this go? i do not feel objective enough to answer that question for myself)-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: so much for fantasy...
aw, thanks, kerry!
Re: so much for fantasy...
Mary, We do what we can, and save a many as we can, and pray that there are more people out there like you and the rest of the list ;-)) Keep up the good work, and do not loose faith ;-)) CherieTenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: okay, first word back from the experts is that it probably would NOT be a good idea to put a cat who might be fighting off the virus in with positives--if the immune system is busy fighting off the virus to start with, it doesn't need the added stress. especially since there are different strains of the virus--once more, the limits of my knowledge: i KNOW there are different strains, but i tend to forget about it since i don't really understand it...a virology instructor at u of m (ann arbor) has been contacted for more details...so--that would limit fostering to those people/places who have room to segregate kitties for the retesting period. OR to homes with healthy, vaccinated negatives. which doesn't change the need for foster homes for definite, re-tested and confirmed, positives who need a safe place to live while placement efforts go on.(i know we can't save even all the healthy cats who need homes--am i being completely unrealistic about even trying to save the FeLVs should i just accept that the very limited number of FeLV homes we have are all that's possible right now, and let this go? i do not feel objective enough to answer that question for myself)-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: need help - a negative, later positive - ?
I say "The Bottom Line" is what I just read on another listEvery 9 seconds an animal is put tp sleep becouse there is no one to care for it...And most of those are FeLV neg The bottom line is that we should encourage anyone to care for an animal however they are comfortable doing...If you do isolate a pos for 90 days or 180 days and it goes neg are you then going to adopt it out without telling someone that it once tested pos ?? Personaly I have gone the other way...3 or 4 cats that have all run together and one test neg...The shelter will put them all to sleep...I have kept them all together...I have a lot of cats...All would be dead now if I hadn't taken then...They all are well feed and have plenty of space to run inside my house and enjoy their life...They will get antibiotics and liver shakes sub-Q but when this low cost doesn't work I will let them go... The point is this is the way I feel good about what I am doing...If somebody put pressure on me to do another way I might feel burnt out and quit... Just my thoughts Tad TenHouseCats wrote: bottom line seems to be that ANY cat that tests positive for FeLV needs to be retested in 90 days the problem, of course, is that what rescue/shelter has the holding capacity for this i've been thinking about this for awhile--whether folks with confirmed FeLVs would be willing/able to work with rescues and serve as foster parents during the waiting period. as we know, many cats will retest as negative if given the chance, but the panic induced by the term FeLV makes it hard for rescues to hear about options if they haven't already a plan for dealing with cats who test positive. (i'm working with two breed rescues right now re: developing such a plan... ) another issue involved: we tell people NOT to euthanize their FeLVs because we love ours, but not everyone can handle the emotional and financial demands a FeLV involves--but how many of us realistically can/will offer to take in these saved cats? i don't know what the answer is--tho education is DEFINITELY part of it; i've had both rescues and catparents calm down enough to look at alternatives once they're given accurate information on what FeLV is and isn't, how it's transmitted etc. i'd really like to see this discussed--even better, to see it solved! (yeah, right and how long have i been delusional?) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/2005
Re: need help - a negative, later positive - ?
i don't think the issue is trying to convince people to do what they cannot or are not comfortable doing--but you were able to do what you have done because you adequate information to make the decision i am grateful that i have learned what i have about FeLV, and discovered things about myself i wouldn't have otherwise known. re: having a cat retest negative and telling someone about the original test? my understanding is that a negative test in such a situation is a confirmed negative--the cat is NOT FeLV+, and the original result was either a false positive, or based on his/her EXPOSURE only. it gets muddy when there's a positive snap, a negative snap, then a positive IFA; or a positive snap, a negative IFA and a second positive snap--in those cases, i WOULD tell folks the history.
Re: so much for fantasy...
am i being completely unrealistic about even trying to save the FeLVs should i just accept that the very limited number of FeLV homes we have are all that's possible right now, and let this go? i do not feel objective enough to answer that question for myself MC, Tee hee, this one, even though it's far from funny, made me sinker. LOOK WHO YOU'RE ASKING! None of us would be putting ourselves through, the heartache, expense, etc. etc., if we were realistic, 'completely', or otherwise. I'm certainly not objective enough either. But you know what my answer is... I personally can't turn my heart away from any animal in need, let alone one that's condemned from the get-go. Which is one of the reasons why I can't foster anymore, (count the number of sick animals in my house!), and why I don't officially work with rescues, I'm an emotional wreck as it is. There have to be other ways we can help, besides allowing ourselves to get overrun and overextended. If those of us that have been touched by these angels, turn our backs, who will help them? You're also right, that education is the answer. I think your idea of networking with knowledgeable vets is an excellent one. Of course, another really good resource for homes are those that already have a positive, but how do we reach these people? Again, through their vets seems like an answer. It's a really tough problem, but I don't seem to be running into easy problems lately. Nina
Re: so much for fantasy...
um, if something is easy, it's not a problem, is it? evil kitty grin
FW: [feline leukimia] Greetings
This is another message from another list person, could we help her? Since she is not on our list yet, please respond to her directly to her email box with your responses. Thanks. B Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just joined this list because I am fostering a six month kitten that has been diagnosed with feline leukimia. He's a wonderful little guy that I want very much to help out. So I am searching for some ideas to improve the quality of his life. It's a bit frustrating that I can't look at the archive to search for some ideas. Becky Hawkins Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/felineleukimia/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do you Yahoo!? Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals
Re: Feline Interferon (omega)/cost
Gloria, I'm sorry about the babies you lost, I bet they were as cute as their names. The Feline Interferon (Virbagen Omega, brand name), is injected Sub Q, (under the skin). It is easier to give than, say Penicillin, because it's just like water, so isn't thick and doesn't sting. Let me know when and if you're ready to start the dispensation application with the FDA. As I said before, Michelle Rose, (bless her!), at my vet's has made up a packet to help other interested vets with that process. Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: Thanks, Nina - no, I'm not asking it for the kitty in question but more of a general approach and ways to deal with my own and those of others I know. Have been thinking about trying the IO for quite a while, but didn't have the energy to find a vet and deal with the FDA. I know a vet now that would probably do this. I have 2 FELV fosters of my own, and have lost 3 beloved FELV kitties in the last, um, 3 years - Mr. Black Kitty, Mittens, and Calawalla Banana Boo-boo. So a lingering interest. I'm using daily interferon alpha right now with 2 kitties, Dallas and Houston, and feel pretty comfortable with that. The IO is quite expensive, isn't it. Hope the FDA comes around. That would be great to be able to get the kitties to turn negative before it enters the bone marrow. Now this is injected, right? Or is it IV? Sorry, I don't recall if you've said. Gloria At 02:39 PM 4/6/2005, you wrote: Gloria, It's been $750 per order, 3 batches per order. If we use it the way Paolo did, then it would be 1 box per protocol, (5 days of treatment duration, 1 vial per day). So one batch would actually cost, one third of that. I just realized that you are the one with the question about the rescue kitten who tested negative and then re-tested positive. One of the great hopes I have for the VO, is that if a cat is in the first few stages of infection, the VO may help them to clear it. This is only my hope/suspicion, I've never seen any research on this, but it makes sense to me that if the virus is still being fought by the host, and it hasn't entered their bone marrow, there is a better chance of clearing it. Are you asking these questions about the VO for the kitten in question? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: Oops - brain stress, I guess - reading too many emails at once. I knew that it was Nina! So sounds like it could cost maybe $750 for each batch. Does your vet administer it sub q or iv? How many times / months is that anticipated, I wonder? Thanks much - Gloria At 12:24 PM 4/6/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria, It's actually, Nina writing! I'm not sure what costs you're talking about here. What I've been paying is the $750 for the minimum order from Abbey Vet. My vet's office hasn't been charging me for the paperwork, or adding anything to the amount charged by the drug company, the $750 includes postage. I guess that's up to each vet. I suppose my vet is taking pity on me, Grace and Jazz aren't the only ones I bring to this vet, so maybe they think they've gotten enough out of me, who knows? I don't know how much Michelle Lerner (Simon and Lucy's mom), paid, and I know that Kyle has started his application dispensation work with the FDA, so we'll see how much it costs him. I haven't gotten a cost on my latest shipment either, maybe it's gone down! I hope so. I hesitated in ordering it again, but I could just picture myself with a sick kitty and no way to help her, so I bit the bullet and charged it yet again. Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: Hey Michelle, So all in all, how much do you project that it will cost? Thanks so much - Gloria At 11:26 AM 4/6/2005, you wrote: Gloria, My vet's liaison, Michelle Rose, has a packet of info for any vet that's interested in getting a special dispensation from the FDA, (your vet's office has to make the call). After you get the approval it still needs to be ordered from the UK. I'm pretty sure Michelle has included that info as well, (the company is called Abbey Vet). Marlene just posted about her investigations concerning availability in Canada, apparently it's not available there yet except on an emergency basis. BTW, Marlene, You asked about the costs. So far it's cost me about $750 bucks for three boxes, which is Abbey Vet's minimum order, (5 double vials in each box). Part of that cost includes the monetary exchange rate with Europe, which is not great right now. When we can get it from Canada, we'll at least save in that regard, and the shipping should be faster. The 3 boxes of VO are at least enough for 3, separate 5 day protocols, since my cats are so small, I've been able to treat two cats at a time, with one getting the lion's share, (whoever's sickest). So, it does last awhile. I've just placed my 3rd order, (still scratching my head about how I'm going to pay my credit card off!). Nina
Re: OT: UPDATE ON THOR
prednisoneCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya Pred???catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a cat that does that because of allergies (ears). He is negative and usually gets pred. when it happens. tonyaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All Ok Thor ate some yesterday and now is back to not eating, it is so spuratic I do not know what to think. There is no blood colored discharge from his mouth at all today, I was thinking maybe he is loosing a tooth, but he is still too young he is only 14 weeks old, I am just taking him day by day now. Amber my FeLV positive also seems to be having an ear problem, she scratched it so muchthe hair is gone and now there is a scabchecked for ear mites, she is clean, checked for ear infection, again she is clean, any thoughts? Thanks all Cherie
Re: allergies/overgrooming
thanks that's why my vet said she didn't think it would work. she does think dd has allergies. I'm going to ask about trying it anyway though. t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's behavioral-- anxiety related. The benadryl sort of works like a valium, I think. It's an extremely small dose, and just calms. Michelle In a message dated 4/5/05 11:38:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks, I'm going to ask about it again before I turn to pred. Do you know if she actually has allergies or if it's behavioral only? t
Re: [Fwd: Re: signs of anemia?]
I think I would also do Immuno-regulin. There is an article on the felineleukemia.org website and if your vet does not have it, Kyle sent a link a few days ago to a place where you can order it. His cat has been doing remarkably well (knock on wood) on a combination of Immuno-regulin and feline interferon (info on our archives about gettin that from Europe)-- her hematocrit was down to 9.5, which is very very low, and with a transfusion and those meds I think she has been ok for over a month now (knock on wood again). The only other thing is that if she needs steroids (prednisone) I would assume that would be because someone suspects she may be having an auto-immune reaction (killing off her own red blood cells) or lymphoma, both of which can cause anemia. If the former, i think depomedrol shots probably work better than prednisone pills. If the latter, chemo could help a lot. Basically you need a good diagnosis. I would take your cat to a board-certified internist, probably located at a vet hospital or referral center, for a better diagnosis. thin and has a few weeks left is not a diagnosis of anything. Good luck, Michelle In a message dated 4/6/05 11:28:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Christine, I forwarded you post to the rest of the list. I'm sure there will be others that will help with suggestions and support. I'm sorry your baby is in trouble. The Dox, V-B and iron should help, it's a really good start. I would also ask your vet about oral interferon, (Interferon A). It's used for humans with cancer and it helps boost immune function. The feline interferon is better, but it's not approved by the FDA, so is difficult to get and is expensive. I've found that giving the regular interferon, (it looks and tastes just like water and I use it to chase the Dox pill), helps my babies feel better, and it just might help Victor system fight whatever is wrong. One thing I can tell you is, don't listen to anyone who tells you that Victor only has a short time to live. Many vets think FeLV cats are doomed the minute they test positive. It just isn't true. I just had someone on another list (for IBD) tell me about two FeLV positive cats that lived well into their teens. Everyone on this list has seen miraculous turn-arounds with love and the right medications. Keep a very close eye on Victor, let us know how he's doing. Make sure he continues to eat and watch him for signs of dehydration, (gently tug the skin at the back of his neck up and see how fast it springs back). I'm sure others will respond with more help. Thank you for rescuing Victor and being such a good mom. Take heart, you're not alone. Sending prayers for you and Victor for a speedy recovery, Nina Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from vms050pub.verizon.net ([192.168.1.2]) by mta008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for @volsmtp.verizon.net:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 19:56:13 -0500 Received: from ns3.rrv.net ([172.18.12.132]) by vms050.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT [EMAIL PROTECTED]); Tue, 05 Apr 2005 19:56:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns3.rrv.net (206.10.30.5) by sv2pub.verizon.net (MailPass SMTP server v1.2.0 - 013105113116JY+PrW) with ESMTP id 3-27815-88-27815-31854-1-1112748965 for vms050pub.verizon.net; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 19:56:07 -0500 Received: from computera (unverified [199.199.231.201]) by farmerstel.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.1.17) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 19:57:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 19:57:07 -0500 From: Christine Proctor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: signs of anemia? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Boundary_(ID_jhtQHJ8SU9tq0VVFav29qw) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Hi, I saw that you have a lot of experience with FELV+ cats. I rescued a feral cat, Victor, 5 years ago. He tested positive for FELV and had fleas and worms very bad. We treated everything at the time and has done fabulous until just recently. I started to notice he was looking thinner so I brought him into the vet today (we are new to this area in Western Minnesota and only have access to a very traditional vet). This vet said he is dying and only has a couple weeks give him injections of iron and B complex. I called another vet in Minneapolis and he said that he thinks Victor has hemobartinella. I went to the local vet and got doxycycline and prednisone per the Minneapolis vet. Is there anything else I should
Re: Feline Interferon (omega)
Both. You have to get permission from the FDA to import it, then order it from England. Instructions for doing both have been posted, and your vet can get an info packet from Nina's vet's technician. Michelle In a message dated 4/6/05 11:32:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is the latest re how to get Feline Interferon, btw? I have a vet who's interested, if I know where to start. Do we go thru the bureaucracy / FDA, or can we order from England, or what? Gloria
Re: need help - a negative, later positive - ?
but negatives need to be retested too, because they may have been recently exposed. I just wish now that shelters didn't test at allTenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bottom line seems to be that ANY cat that tests positive for FeLVneeds to be retested in 90 days the problem, of course, is thatwhat rescue/shelter has the holding capacity for thisi've been thinking about this for awhile--whether folks with confirmedFeLVs would be willing/able to work with rescues and serve as fosterparents during the waiting period. as we know, many cats will retestas negative if given the chance, but the panic induced by the termFeLV makes it hard for rescues to hear about options if they haven'talready a plan for dealing with cats who test positive. (i'm workingwith two breed rescues right now re: developing such a plan... )another issue involved: we tell people NOT to euthanize their FeLVsbecause we love ours, but not everyone can handle the emotional andfinancial demands a FeLV involves--but how many of us realisticallycan/will offer to take in these saved cats? i don't know what theanswer is--tho education is DEFINITELY part of it; i've had bothrescues and catparents calm down enough to look at alternatives oncethey're given accurate information on what FeLV is and isn't, howit's transmitted etc.i'd really like to see this discussed--even better, to see it solved!(yeah, right and how long have i been delusional?)
Re: allergies/overgrooming
it can be both, actually--starting out as an allergic reaction, then hanging on as a behavioral pattern (is ANYTHING simple?)
Re: need help - a negative, later positive - ?
Perhaps giving one test is going to be the best some shelters can do - and just try to do the best we can... Gloria At 07:57 PM 4/6/2005, you wrote: but negatives need to be retested too, because they may have been recently exposed. I just wish now that shelters didn't test at all TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bottom line seems to be that ANY cat that tests positive for FeLV needs to be retested in 90 days the problem, of course, is that what rescue/shelter has the holding capacity for this i've been thinking about this for awhile--whether folks with confirmed FeLVs would be willing/able to work with rescues and serve as foster parents during the waiting period. as we know, many cats will retest as negative if given the chance, but the panic induced by the term FeLV makes it hard for rescues to hear about options if they haven't already a plan for dealing with cats who test positive. (i'm working with two breed rescues right now re: developing such a plan... ) another issue involved: we tell people NOT to euthanize their FeLVs because we love ours, but not everyone can handle the emotional and financial demands a FeLV involves--but how many of us realistically can/will offer to take in these saved cats? i don't know what the answer is--tho education is DEFINITELY part of it; i've had both rescues and catparents calm down enough to look at alternatives once they're given accurate information on what FeLV is and isn't, how it's transmitted etc. i'd really like to see this discussed--even better, to see it solved! (yeah, right and how long have i been delusional?)
Re: TeeCee Needs a Bath, what do I do?
You can buy kitty wipes for cleaning sick cats at a lot of pet food stores. Michelle
Re: need help - a negative, later positive - ?
i think that is the best we can do--at times at the sanctuary, as all the info swirled around re: which tests do what, when they work, if they work, what they test for, how often they need to be repeated, is PCR the answer, is the IFA the best, the director wondered if there was a point to testing anyone at all... On Apr 6, 2005 9:00 PM, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Perhaps giving one test is going to be the best some shelters can do - andjust try to do the best we can...Gloria
Re: need help - a negative, later positive - ?
I agree Tad. If you adopt or take in a cat that has ever been exposed to another cat you really have no idea. My opinion is vaccinate your cats/kittens when you get them, and hope for the best. If someone gets sick, test. If positive, treat as best you can. I don't think there's any way you can bring in a stray or shelter animal and know for sure what it's been exposed to and if it's going to turn out positive or negative. tTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I say "The Bottom Line" is what I just read on another listEvery 9 seconds an animal is put tp sleep becouse there is no one to care for it...And most of those are FeLV negThe bottom line is that we should encourage anyone to care for an animal however they are comfortable doing...If you do isolate a pos for 90 days or 180 days and it goes neg are you then going to adopt it out without telling someone that it once tested pos ??Personaly I have gone the other way...3 or 4 cats that have all run together and one test neg...The shelter will put them all to sleep...I have kept them all together...I have a lot of cats...All would be dead now if I hadn't taken then...They all are well feed and have plenty of space to run inside my house and enjoy their life...They will get antibiotics and liver shakes sub-Q but when this low cost doesn't work I will let them go...The point is this is the way I feel good about what I am doing...If somebody put pressure on me to do another way I might feel burnt out and quit...Just my thoughtsTadTenHouseCats wrote: bottom line seems to be that ANY cat that tests positive for FeLV needs to be retested in 90 days the problem, of course, is that what rescue/shelter has the holding capacity for this i've been thinking about this for awhile--whether folks with confirmed FeLVs would be willing/able to work with rescues and serve as foster parents during the waiting period. as we know, many cats will retest as negative if given the chance, but the panic induced by the term FeLV makes it hard for rescues to hear about options if they haven't already a plan for dealing with cats who test positive. (i'm working with two breed rescues right now re: developing such a plan... ) another issue involved: we tell people NOT to euthanize their FeLVs because we love ours, but not everyone can handle the emotional and financial demands a FeLV involves--but how many of us realistically can/will offer to take in these saved cats? i don't know what the answer is--tho education is DEFINITELY part of it; i've had both rescues and catparents calm down enough to look at alternatives once they're given accurate information on what FeLV is and isn't, how it's transmitted etc. i'd really like to see this discussed--even better, to see it solved! (yeah, right and how long have i been delusional?) No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/2005
RE: TeeCee Needs a Bath, what do I do?
Thanks Michelle, I have some, but the carrot juice in the liver shake has stained his face, chest, paws, tummy, and my hands a carrot color. I'd love to get my white kitty white again! Steph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: TeeCee Needs a Bath, what do I do? You can buy kitty wipes for cleaning sick cats at a lot of pet food stores. Michelle
