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Jamie,
I am
so sorry about Andy. Of course I remember you and Andy, and was hoping
that everything was OK with both of you (and of course your husband in the
Service). I really can't advise you, except to go with your
heart. Andy has been a lucky boy, and a suspect he knows
Title: Message
Lisa,
What a lucky day for Akira when she crossed
your path. I know she realized how much you cared and loved her and also
knew how much you would miss each other.
I am glad that she is at peace, and you have
my deepest sympathies.
Joan
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Jamie,
I was
away for a few days and just read this post. I am so sorry about
Andy.This disease strikes so quickly. Puff, who died many years ago,
was fine for 3 years and then all of a sudden stopped eating. I, like you, tried
everything to keep her with me, but there came
Hello Everyone,
I thought we could all use some comic relief. I have to warn you
though, if you have any dogs, you may want to clear them from the room
before you watch these. One of the video clips set Zevon, (my German
Shep Dog) racing around the house barking looking for whoever was
Dear Jamie,
I am sharing in your sorrow and tears as I read your heartfilled
email. I am so sorry to hear about Andy.
My heart goes out to you at this time.
Carla
Date sent: Mon, 23 May 2005 16:47:36 -0700 (PDT)
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Yes,
the idea (to my mind anyway) isthat we ALL work so hard to stay roach-free
that the NEIGHBOR actually becomes the next building along the
street!
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Title: Message
Ha!
For once procrastination works---I've been thinking I should line my shelves,
but I just haven't got around to it. So...that's one job I can strike off the
list--thanks Chris!
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Hi all again,
My name is Stan and I am international student from Europe. I recently realized that my cat has FeLV. He os just 2 years. His name is Jersey.
I believe that he has the power to survive for year or two BUT I have to make him eating. He is very skinny and can hardly stands on his
Oh, Jamie, what a horrible day for you and Andy. I am so sorry. I wish I could say something that would help. You will be in my prayers.Jamie Laws [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks to all of you who took the time to respond about Andy. I do appreciate it. Barb, Sharon, Yvonne, Terrie, Belinda and
Jamie,
I am so sorry that you had to endure this awful thing; it hurts so much to let go. You captured the essence of Andy in your never agains; he was special and will always be a part of your life.
SharonJamie Laws [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks to all of you who took the time to respond
Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area.I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue
That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her
Lisa,
I wish with all my heart that no one ever had to endure this pain. Does the time together make up for the pain of separation? Eventually, it does. It seems to take a long time to get to that point though.
You and Akira were a great team. I am amazed at what my cats have taught me about
Hi Stan,
There is a CRF (chronic renal failure) group on Yahoo you may want to
join, I've heard of kitties with crf that get weak in the back legs it
has something to do with the potassium level. Here is the group if your
interested. CRF can be managed if caugh early enough, it usually
Mia,
I don't think you really have to worry. This particular Kitty Kind, just like Defenders of Animal Rights, Inc. aka Adopt A Pet in MD, is an example of good intentions gone bad...whether through emotion (this particular Kitty Kind I'm assuming) or greed (as in D.A.R.I know first hand). While
Mia,
I understand what you are saying about not judging everyone involved
with an organization because of one individual's actions and, of
course, the cats in their care shouldn't suffer further because of any
human's misconduct. When I read about this situation, I couldn't help
but wonder
Nina,
You are too kind.I am not so understanding, she runs the shelter and should be an influence to others that volunteer , and by doing what she has done it more or less condones it for the volunteers.
CherieNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mia,I understand what you are saying about not judging
Hi Belinda,
Thanks for the information.
I am going to take Jersey to the vet tomorrow. I took him on Friday, they kept him in the clinic for tests and the doctor called me in the evening. I was shoked to hear he has a leukimia and could hardly catch what she was explaining me. I am going to talk
Of course, the article doesnt
really describe the condition of the living cats except that they were in one
room. Certainly it is at the very least odd that someone would just dump
the carcasses but then how much would it have cost to have each cremated.
And if she couldnt afford the
I am not standing up for her or what she has done please read again what I have wrote. We were actually crying when we heard on the news what she did because we did get to meet some of these amazing cats during adoption events they held. Many rescuersalong withmyself are extremely upset by this
Mia, I agree with both sides on this. And I see what you are saying - I wonder if perhaps the publicity the organization is receiving could be used to the advantage of the cats who remain in the program - sometimes something like this that horrifies people will also move them to action - and
Jamie I'm so, so sorry your sweet Andy is gone. We know all about the "never agains" someone should write a book, that would be a sweet sad read. Andy is happy now and in no pain, it will take time for your heart to begin to heal, but it will happen. Just know that we are all here for you. Take
I agree to a point, but my vet and the local vets around here, would take deceased animals and get rid of the bodies for you, with no cost, and I have made some calls and I have not found an animal hospital or vet around me that would not take the animal from you.
As for vet cost, if you can not
To everyone in this group,
Please do not take my recent email as a defense to Kitty Kind or this organization.
Again I am not affiliated with them and believe what her actions have createdis horrible. My previous email is to express my concernfor the cats with Kitty Kind and also the fosters and
To everyone in this group,
Please do not take my recent email as a defense to Kitty Kind or this organization.
Again I am not affiliated with them and believe what her actions have createdis horrible. My previous email is to express my concernfor the cats with Kitty Kind and also the fosters and
I feel for the volunteers and such, but they should have been friendly enough and they should have seen all the cats going home with her to at least question a little, I mean I would have asked and wanted to see some of the kitties I bonded with and come over to play with them...also what kind of
I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its
the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the
cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time
understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats
are PTS every day becouse there
That is being to kind, she needs to be put in jail and given her just deserts, how would you feel if she had sick and healthy kids in one room, and their bodies in the back yard in bags because she could not afford creamation.animals and kids need us more than any one else, they can not defend
I feel sorry for everyone who has been hurt by this tragedy , especially the babies.
Yes
Hi,
I have been keeping track of this discussion and I agree with Gloria. I do live in that area (although I don't know her or her group). Rescue groups and individuals,are oftenso desperate for fosterers, they often they will put animals with anyone (to avoid having them euthanized) without
devil's advocate here--damn, it's a pain having 4 planets in libra:
but on the other hand!
that NO one ever saw his facilities is indeed somewhat smelly.
that he doesn't allow perfect strangers into his place is not
something to imeediately judge by. many people who take in
special-needs cats do
Chris,
I know exactly what you mean! When I was trying to place Simms, or several others for that matter, I've had people who refuse to tell me how many animals they hadwho wanted to meet elsewhereThen the one woman I placed him with for a bit (I'll call her L)was recommended by THREE
That is terrible, I hope evryone that puts cat ads in newpapers knows about him.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree very fishy. I wouldn't leave a kitty with him. The area I live in has a person who traps ferals and goes around to homes and asks for cats he says to keep on his farm to keep down
I agree with Tad. Punishment does very little to solve the problem...helping her to find another solution...would seem more reasonable. But I'd go a step farther, she would work at the shelter, but not handle money or be a major decision maker...she needs to learn, not lead at this point. Plus, a
I understand the rest of the animals also need help, but that is what I am saying, you have to know your limit, enough is enough, if you can not take anymore, then ask a friend, money is tight for all but come on, foster and care for the ones you can do not put them in worse circumstances, at
I think the reason for jail time would be to isolate her from the animal community, she might have done more harm than good and the act of putting dead animals one after another in garbage bags is diplorable. Think about how long it takes for an animal to pass, and then consider the amount of dead
I don't know if she should serve jail time, but I agree that she should NOT work with animals. I think a mental health expert needs to evaluate the best course of action to treat her.
JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the reason for jail time would be to isolate her from the
Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am going
Jamie,
I am so sorry Andy has left you but you have such
sweet, sweet memories. How wonderful to have compassionate vet and techs
at this terrible time of your life.
Hugs,
Del
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Jamie
Laws
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Sent: Monday,
Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other kids?
Ah...no..you'll get the more emotional response from me if you leave "animals" just where it is...
I love kids too,
Cherie,
The foster and volunteers are not ignorant. I understand you are mad at this woman but don't take it out on people that did not know -some are more upset than you. What if they were led to believe these animals were adopted or healthy and ok. Remember Kess has been doing this animal
Stan,
If his kidneys are affected and his back legs are weak, you might
also want to consult the Feline Chronic Renal Failure list. Contact
information is available at the bottom of this page:
http://www.felinecrf.com/
Best wishes to you and yours,
Bonnie in WI
www.elephants.com
Good thought, how about a metal health facility to be evaluated for 60 days, that is a lighter sentence and she will still feel the repercussions of her actions.Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know if she should serve jail time, but I agree that she should NOT work with animals. I
I totally agree with you Tamara!!
Miatamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with Tad. Punishment does very little to solve the problem...helping her to find another solution...would seem more reasonable. But I'd go a step farther, she would work at the shelter, but not handle money or
Mia and Tad,
Would you feel the same way if it were children as opposed to animals...Think about it, it is the same difference.Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that
Stan, try this one too! Both are good sites, but this one is the tops! Fantastic people, I learned SO much.
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See ya over there!
TBONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stan,If his kidneys are affected and his back legs are weak, you might also want to consult the Feline
Hello,
I assume your vet ran a complete blood work on
Jersey which discovered the virus.
How long has your cat not been eating cat food? Ask
your vet for the Science Diet a/d cans. Many of the science diet canned foods
are too dry-I know my cats will not eat any of it. the a/d cans are very
Mia,
When I have volunteered and fostered in the past I would go to other fosters homes and volunteers just to stop by and say hi, or visit the furr kids that I had cared for, the director would often be questioned by myself and others as to her population stand point and she would have us over to
If you put kids in place of animals', well - you wouldn't have
breeders (uh in the way that we do for cats), they wouldn't have a city
organization devoted to euthanizing (sometimes inhumainely), or they
wouldn't be running loose on the street clawing thru the garbage - well not
as much.
I do agree she should no longer work with animals. It's so unfortunate because I am pretty sure she came into this wanting to do good for animals and in the end just didn't no her limits or when to ask for help.
MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the reason for jail time would
you couldn't have said it any better!!
Miatamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other kids?
Ah...no..you'll get the more
Thank you for the reminder MaryChristine...I've started scrubbing
anyway...figured it can't hurt..., and I've begun throwing out empty
boxes...but now, I'm wondering, does anyone know how effective
ELECTRONIC roach/insect repellents are such as those made by Pest
Repeller Ultimate???..The
it costs over $100 to cremate an animal here on
Long Island. I don't know of any vet that will just take a dead animal for no
money. I can imagine the same $ chargein NJ. I also cannot
even imagine how adrift many of the kittykind volunteers and foster homes feel
right now. Hopefully
People, as a whole, are generally flawed. So obsessed with their individual concerns, and of course amassing wealth and possesions...Our own government is working hard to eliminate social programs that, while abused by some, feed, house, cloth, teach, and give health care for childrenWe fund
i've often wondered about the electronic ones, too--wonder if there's
a consumer-ratings place? consumer reports?
--
MaryChristine
AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
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Well, I think that punishment is certainly not a solution, and I'm not sure
without knowing her if psych help is called for. But helping her find
solutions to her animal problem would help, and in general a better system
of dealing with the animal problem would solve a lot of problems.
It's
Title: Message
That
would be fine with me!
-Original Message-From: Cherie A Gabbert
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:39
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Please
read this response!! URGENT:DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CATRESCUE-in Orange,
It's exactly the sort of thing CR should do, but I have never seen it
(and I've subscribed for years). I'll email them and urge them to do it.
But I'll also see if I can track down any other dirsct user info.
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Cherie,
I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did.
I agree with what your saying as to maybe there should have been a system to have everyone looked at. I just don't feel that all volunteers and fosters should be responsible for this woman's actions.
Stan,
What a sweetheart you are! I'm praying that Jersey recovers from
whatever is causing the eating and back leg problems. We have discussed
all sorts of feeding tips to get kitties interested in food when they
don't feel well enough to eat. Let us know if you can't find them in
the
In MY mind animals and kids are one and the same and SHOULD be thought of EQUALLY, but I know this will never be, it is just how I put certain scenerios in perspective.
Cherie
"Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you put "kids" in place of "animals', well - you wouldn't have "breeders" (uh
We are all working towards happy home life solutions for all our furry friends. That is why I think she should not be able to come near animals and care giving.
Cherie"Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I think that punishment is certainly not a solution, and I'm not sure without
Mia,
We will agree to disagree on this.
I feel when you take on the responsiblity to foster or volunteer, you must take responsibility for your actions and that means if you were negligent in asking questions and being informed about the others in your facility then you are also to blame for the
Now we just need to get our thoughts know to all.That is a big job
Cherie"Doljan, Joan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That would be fine with me!
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I agree.Since most of us screen adopters, I think the same should be for fosterers. I pay attention when someone says a house smells, or their cats are always sick etc. I never send anyone anywhere unless I have seen the house or facility, or someone I trust has.
JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL
I've used the sonic ones, but only for squirrel s and rats..
Gloria
At 01:12 PM 5/24/2005, you wrote:
i've often wondered about the electronic ones, too--wonder if there's
a consumer-ratings place? consumer reports?
--
MaryChristine
AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ:
How about changing the laws to agree with that...
At 01:31 PM 5/24/2005, you wrote:
In MY mind animals and kids are one and the same and SHOULD be thought of
EQUALLY, but I know this will never be, it is just how I put certain
scenerios in perspective.
Cherie
Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL
Hi Mia
She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where
its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry
about the old litter that I bury in my back yard...
But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it
would be much more to
I am glad I am not the only one, who looks further into these people. I have seen some deplorable places, and they did not think anything was wrong.
CherieJoan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree.Since most of us screen adopters, I think the same should be for fosterers. I pay attention when
Thanks to all that responded to Jersey.
Barbara, I am in Toledo, OH. I don't know if the vet has a lot of experience with FeLV. I will try to talk with her about that tomorrow.
I read the site about CRF. It is very detailed really. I believe that is the problem he has now.
Hopefully it is not
I would love to, the only problem is, one voice does not amount to a hill of beans. As you can see from this topic not alot of people percieve animals and kids as one in the same.
Cherie"Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about changing the laws to agree with that...At 01:31 PM
How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help that person out also?
CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old
I am totally with you on that Tad. I think she should not have let this happen and am so worried of all the people that volunteered their time to help the animals in this group. Alot of them are worried all their efforts will be forgotten, their names have badmouthedand are already getting
Did it do the trick, Gloria? 'Cos we also got an alert recently about
rats being seen on some of my condo neighbors porches. Do you know if
they can be fitted easily to repel critters roaming outside like rats?
(I don't know if your critters were in garage/attic or what--we don't
have attics or
Mia,
The animals already have suffered, I just want Kess to suffer also..I would do anything to help the animals, maybe not so much the volunteers and the founder but at least the animals always come first.
CherieMia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am totally with you on that Tad. I think
Yes someone should keep aneye out for Kess but to assume that every volunteer and foster should be responsible and should have known is **insane. That's like saying if your boss or the president of you job embezeled money from the company -if we found him guilty thenshould you also go to jail
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LOL
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From: Nina
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 8:05 AM
Subject: Way OT - Tyson
skateboarding
Hello Everyone,I thought we could all use some comic
relief. I have to warn you
okay, here goes--this has been in draft form for a number of hours
now. i know it won't be popular, i just hope that it does make
people stop for a bit and maybe challenge themselves.
while i am not in ny/nj area, and have no personal experience with
KittyKind, i have heard excellent things
But Joan The volunteers and fosters are not resposible for the animals that Kess takes home. Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree.Since most of us screen adopters, I think the same should be for fosterers. I pay attention when someone says a house smells, or their cats are always sick
Along those lines...we are not talking about a company we are talking about animals and people who CHOOSE to be there should CHOOSE to take responsibility and know all aspects and what goes on behind the scenes.
The boss gets in trouble you COULD very well possibly be in trouble also, accounts get
I have nothing to add to what has already been suggested except to wish you
the best of luck.
Welcome!
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frankly, I don't see that happening here - as overworked as a lot of child protective agencies are, there are too many checks and balances and places where kids are noticed - the neighbors would have called months ago f'rinstance. There are simply far more laws and societal rules in place to
He meant she needed help from the begin so it didn't esculate to this point. She should have asked for help. Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help that person out also?
CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mia She has a
Have you watched the news latelyEvery day there is
a new story of some terable thing that has happened to kids by their
parents or foster parents...
Tad
Cherie A Gabbert wrote:
I would love to, the only problem is, one voice does not amount
to a hill of beans. As you can see from this
Again, they should ask and shouls have been aware of what Kess was doing, if animals disappear from the shelter, you would inquire if they were adopted out or if she brought them home, then later ask about their and see if she needs any help...all things I myself have done and asked.Mia Nicer
I am nowhere near perfect, and I am on that soap box also, that family should be investigated.alot of families should be, but when one actually gets found out I think an example should be made. Kess needs to be made an example of...and laws are way too lax where animals are concerned.
I also
I agree, but she needs to be made an example of because what she did was WRONG.Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
He meant she needed help from the begin so it didn't esculate to this point. She should have asked for help. Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about 200 decaying kids in
My point exactly, only extreme cases of animal cruelty make it to the news.Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have you watched the news latelyEvery day there is a new story of some terable thing that has happened to kids by their parents or foster parents...TadCherie A Gabbert wrote:
I
I agree...I would like to know the story behind the 200
dead animals...
That makes no sense to me...But if she took in a lot of sick FeLV+...
That is still a huge number to have outside and she has to be sick to
let that happen..As I say there is a story behind that and I think we
need
to
I agree that she made some very poor decisions, but until the authorities know exactly what is going on, and THEY know more than WE do, we just have the press, full judgment needs to be suspended until such time as deliberate cruelty is confirmed. And yes, the animal cruelty laws need to be much
when did we decide that a newspaper version of ANYTHING is accurate
and fair? what sells papers? woman overwhelmed with departed cats;
living ones in good shape?
I know nothing about the case except what I read here on the list, and
as MaryChristine points out you certainly cannot take newspaper
If she would have picked up the phone and called the local animal hospital I am sure they would have taken the dead animals...unless she did not want to answer questions, and that is just another mark against her.Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree...I would like to know the story behind
I would say mixing that MANY sick and healthy kitties and having that many animals remains shows cruelty...she could have called someone or even left the bodies outside the animal hospital if she did not want to answer questions.Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree that she made some
Ok, I too have been reading things online and I even went to www.kittykind.org looks nice, but I have also read that 200 cats in one year.come on we all have had sick and elderly cats but 200 in a 12 month time period that is an average of 16.66 a month that means more than half of the month
Barb Thank you so much for that!!! Everyone makes mistakes not everyone is perfect. She did somthing extremely wrong but she did do some great things in the past that did help animals. Still this is not an excuse.
miaBarb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
frankly, I don't see that happening here
Well, my vet has given me reduced rate but
it is another company altogether who does cremations there are no
discounts!!! (Im in NY). And I agree, I would not take in
more cats than I could afford but I dont think people start out thinking
theyll take more than they can handle. As for the
I
hadnt even thought about that!
Chris
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Ithe volunteers and fosters come when they have the time most dont get the chance to meet all the animals, most of them were not aware of how many animals were in her care. They work full-time and try to spend the free time they have when they are not with their familyshelping these animals. Now
I totally agree with you... there are many legitimate reasons why he
wouldn't want the traffic or risk the dumping I just felt that any
rescue group that does regular business with him would have sent someone to
see the place
Chris
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