Re: Can we please add this poor baby to the CLS? Better news
Betternews--am forwarding Shana's reply! Kerry,I am so very sorry for the late reply. Today is myfirst day off in a few weeks and I've been overwhelmedwith things I need to do.I really appreciate your concern about "Minnie." Itwarms my heart that there are so many caring peopleout there to turn to.Yes, Minnie is ok! The shelter reevaluated her. Theytested her with stairs and talked again to the fosterfamily. She may be starting to see some shadows andshe handled stairs well, so she is probably going tobe adoptable. She seems to have improved in the last few weeks, so Iam hoping she continues to improve.I have arranged for her to have a pro-bono ultrasoundof her heart, and bloodwork, so we can make sure sheis healthy before being placed in a home. If the shelter tries to adopt her and noone wants her, I will be sure to contact you to see ifyou can help.I really, really appreciate your offer.Thanks so much,Shana--- Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE HIT REPLY TO ALL Shana, has anyone adopted this kitten yet? Or has she already been euthanized? What's happened to this poor kitten is heartbreaking. Kerry PLEASE HIT REPLY - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:46 PM Subject: Re: Can we please add this poor baby to the CLS? I'm not sure if he/she got rescued or killed. I'm not sure even if the shelter he is at is a humane euth shelter, MANY of them still use gas chambers, you know. I hope he was humanely euthed by now... or rescued and given medical care, one of the two (though I think euth would be kinder). I was hoping to get him/her on the CLS in the part where we pray for healing and comfort to those that are still with us. I did get several people saying they emailed about him, but did not get a reply yet. I sent a note to the purrever ranch, they are the ones who first posted the message, maybe they have more contact info than was in the post. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 5/8/2006
Re: Please add Papoose to CLS
I'm so sorry Jeni. I know how much you will miss the little soul. At least Papoose had it better than so many--you gave him the best gift ofall, a loving home. hugs, Kerry - Original Message - From: JENI RECA To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:55 PM Subject: Please add Papoose to CLS I put Papoose feluk +to sleep today after he was running a 106.4 temp for the past 4 days and it wasnt going down he also was anemic and had a heart mummer and wasnt getting better. He lived a wonderful life of 8 months in our house with our dogs and our other feluk + cat. I miss him dearly and am happy he did not suffer. He was found on the streets of queens as a tiny little 5 week old kitten and brought to the shelter I work at. He came up postive on both test and I decided to adopt him instead of them putting him down. I amjust sad that we did not have more time with him. Thank you. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Can we please add this poor baby to the CLS?Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:46:25 -0400 I'm not sure if he/she got rescued or killed. I'm not sure even if the shelter he is at is a humane euth shelter, MANY of them still use gas chambers, you know. I hope he was humanely euthed by now... or rescued and given medical care, one of the two (though I think euth would be kinder). I was hoping to get him/her on the CLS in the part where we pray for healing and comfort to those that are still with us. I did get several people saying they emailed about him, but did not get a reply yet. I sent a note to the purrever ranch, they are the ones who first posted the message, maybe they have more contact info than was in the post. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 5/8/2006
What can I do?
After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home that was in the first test FELV -, Iretested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat the test because Inotice that in the clinic that I made the first test, some of theresults was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that never produces FELV +My question is: what can I do with the rest of the cats of my home?Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV can I vaccinate him? Whatabout the FELV +? I can't separate them because I have not space to do that.Thanks in advance,Virginia LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo.Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto.http://es.voice.yahoo.com
Re: Can we please add this poor baby to the CLS? Better news
wonderful, kerry! lots of GLOW to minnie On 5/11/06, Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better news--am forwarding Shana's reply! Kerry, I am so very sorry for the late reply. Today is my first day off in a few weeks and I've been overwhelmed with things I need to do. I really appreciate your concern about Minnie. It warms my heart that there are so many caring people out there to turn to. Yes, Minnie is ok! The shelter reevaluated her. They tested her with stairs and talked again to the foster family. She may be starting to see some shadows and she handled stairs well, so she is probably going to be adoptable. She seems to have improved in the last few weeks, so I am hoping she continues to improve. I have arranged for her to have a pro-bono ultrasound of her heart, and bloodwork, so we can make sure she is healthy before being placed in a home. If the shelter tries to adopt her and no one wants her, I will be sure to contact you to see if you can help. I really, really appreciate your offer. Thanks so much, Shana -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: What can I do?
Hi Virginia, I am sorry to hear that your cat has tested FeLV+, but glad you found us. This is a great group, and you won't be sorry you sought us out for information. I don't have any FeLV+ kitties anymore after I lost my beloved Cricket in November, but I stay around to offer help to those who need it, just as I was offered great information and support when I really needed it. As far as the other kitties go in your house, we have mixed views here. Some mix their positives and negatives, and some don't. The ones who do believe their kitties have already been exposed to the FeLV and were not susceptible to it if they don't test negative. Some also believe that separating those who are close will do worse damage as stress tends to kick this virus into gear if it's in remission. After I found out that Cricket had FeLV, I did not separate him from my others, as they'd already lived together for two years. He lived another two years before passing, and my others have never developed the virus. I would not, however, foster anymore cats in your home in the future, especially kittens, as they are very susceptible to contracting the virus with their yet-to-be-strengthened immune systems. You should probably test those in your home to see what you're dealing with, and then retest after a period of time (someone else here will have a better idea of how long before retesting). You can vaccinate if they are FeLV-, which is probably a good idea, but the vaccination does not always have a very high success rate. The two most important things for a FeLV+ kitty is to keep them stress free and keep their immune system boosted with a good diet (corn/grain free) and supplements (like L-lysine). I have a manual I can forward you with a lot of great information. It was composed of posts from all the very knowledgeable people here. Just let me know if you need it. I have to forward it directly to your email versus to the group email because the site doesn't allow attachments. Hope this helps, :) Wendy Dallas, Tx --- Ntigat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home that was in the first test FELV -, I retested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat the test because I notice that in the clinic that I made the first test, some of the results was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that never produces FELV + My question is: what can I do with the rest of the cats of my home? Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV can I vaccinate him? What about the FELV +? I can't separate them because I have not space to do that. Thanks in advance, Virginia - LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What can I do?
Hi Virginia, I'd certainly go along with what Wendy says. Would like to add a plug for interferon Alpha, which is used as a supplement for the immune system. I give my FELV kitties a daily dose of oral interferon, a clear liquid. It's easy to obtain and administer, but different vets charge different prices. I used to get it for $65 for a small bottle, now get it for $15 for way more in quantity - 1000 ml. Best of luck, Gloria Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Hi Virginia, I am sorry to hear that your cat has tested FeLV+, but glad you found us. This is a great group, and you won't be sorry you sought us out for information. I don't have any FeLV+ kitties anymore after I lost my beloved Cricket in November, but I stay around to offer help to those who need it, just as I was offered great information and support when I really needed it. As far as the other kitties go in your house, we have mixed views here. Some mix their positives and negatives, and some don't. The ones who do believe their kitties have already been exposed to the FeLV and were not susceptible to it if they don't test negative. Some also believe that separating those who are close will do worse damage as stress tends to kick this virus into gear if it's in quot;remissionquot;. After I found out that Cricket had FeLV, I did not separate him from my others, as they'd already lived together for two years. He lived another two years before passing, and my others have never developed the virus. I would not, however, foster anymore cats in your home in the future, especially kittens, as they are very susceptible to contracting the virus with their yet-to-be-strengthened immune systems. You should probably test those in your home to see what you're dealing with, and then retest after a period of time (someone else here will have a better idea of how long before retesting). You can vaccinate if they are FeLV-, which is probably a good idea, but the vaccination does not always have a very high success rate. The two most important things for a FeLV+ kitty is to keep them stress free and keep their immune system boosted with a good diet (corn/grain free) and supplements (like L-lysine). I have a manual I can forward you with a lot of great information. It was composed of posts from all the very knowledgeable people here. Just let me know if you need it. I have to forward it directly to your email versus to the group email because the site doesn't allow attachments. Hope this helps, Wendy Dallas, Tx --- Ntigat lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home gt; that was in the first test FELV -, I gt; retested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat gt; the test because I gt; notice that in the clinic that I made the first gt; test, some of the gt; results was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that gt; never produces FELV + gt; gt; My question is: what can I do with the rest of the gt; cats of my home? gt; Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV can I gt; vaccinate him? What gt; about the FELV +? I can't separate them because I gt; have not space to do that. gt; gt; Thanks in advance, gt; gt; Virginia gt; gt; gt; gt; - gt; gt; LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. gt; Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por gt; minuto. gt; http://es.voice.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What can I do?
Hi Virginia, I'd certainly go along with what Wendy says. Would like to add a plug for interferon Alpha, which is used as a supplement for the immune system. I give my FELV kitties a daily dose of oral interferon, a clear liquid. It's easy to obtain and administer, but different vets charge different prices. I used to get it for $65 for a small bottle, now get it for $15 for way more in quantity - 1000 ml. Best of luck, Gloria Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Hi Virginia, I am sorry to hear that your cat has tested FeLV+, but glad you found us. This is a great group, and you won't be sorry you sought us out for information. I don't have any FeLV+ kitties anymore after I lost my beloved Cricket in November, but I stay around to offer help to those who need it, just as I was offered great information and support when I really needed it. As far as the other kitties go in your house, we have mixed views here. Some mix their positives and negatives, and some don't. The ones who do believe their kitties have already been exposed to the FeLV and were not susceptible to it if they don't test negative. Some also believe that separating those who are close will do worse damage as stress tends to kick this virus into gear if it's in quot;remissionquot;. After I found out that Cricket had FeLV, I did not separate him from my others, as they'd already lived together for two years. He lived another two years before passing, and my others have never developed the virus. I would not, however, foster anymore cats in your home in the future, especially kittens, as they are very susceptible to contracting the virus with their yet-to-be-strengthened immune systems. You should probably test those in your home to see what you're dealing with, and then retest after a period of time (someone else here will have a better idea of how long before retesting). You can vaccinate if they are FeLV-, which is probably a good idea, but the vaccination does not always have a very high success rate. The two most important things for a FeLV+ kitty is to keep them stress free and keep their immune system boosted with a good diet (corn/grain free) and supplements (like L-lysine). I have a manual I can forward you with a lot of great information. It was composed of posts from all the very knowledgeable people here. Just let me know if you need it. I have to forward it directly to your email versus to the group email because the site doesn't allow attachments. Hope this helps, Wendy Dallas, Tx --- Ntigat lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home gt; that was in the first test FELV -, I gt; retested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat gt; the test because I gt; notice that in the clinic that I made the first gt; test, some of the gt; results was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that gt; never produces FELV + gt; gt; My question is: what can I do with the rest of the gt; cats of my home? gt; Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV can I gt; vaccinate him? What gt; about the FELV +? I can't separate them because I gt; have not space to do that. gt; gt; Thanks in advance, gt; gt; Virginia gt; gt; gt; gt; - gt; gt; LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. gt; Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por gt; minuto. gt; http://es.voice.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What can I do?
I meant The ones who do believe their kitties have already been exposed to the FeLV and were not susceptible to it if they don't test POSITIVE. Oops. Sorry. --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Virginia, I am sorry to hear that your cat has tested FeLV+, but glad you found us. This is a great group, and you won't be sorry you sought us out for information. I don't have any FeLV+ kitties anymore after I lost my beloved Cricket in November, but I stay around to offer help to those who need it, just as I was offered great information and support when I really needed it. As far as the other kitties go in your house, we have mixed views here. Some mix their positives and negatives, and some don't. The ones who do believe their kitties have already been exposed to the FeLV and were not susceptible to it if they don't test negative. Some also believe that separating those who are close will do worse damage as stress tends to kick this virus into gear if it's in remission. After I found out that Cricket had FeLV, I did not separate him from my others, as they'd already lived together for two years. He lived another two years before passing, and my others have never developed the virus. I would not, however, foster anymore cats in your home in the future, especially kittens, as they are very susceptible to contracting the virus with their yet-to-be-strengthened immune systems. You should probably test those in your home to see what you're dealing with, and then retest after a period of time (someone else here will have a better idea of how long before retesting). You can vaccinate if they are FeLV-, which is probably a good idea, but the vaccination does not always have a very high success rate. The two most important things for a FeLV+ kitty is to keep them stress free and keep their immune system boosted with a good diet (corn/grain free) and supplements (like L-lysine). I have a manual I can forward you with a lot of great information. It was composed of posts from all the very knowledgeable people here. Just let me know if you need it. I have to forward it directly to your email versus to the group email because the site doesn't allow attachments. Hope this helps, :) Wendy Dallas, Tx --- Ntigat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home that was in the first test FELV -, I retested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat the test because I notice that in the clinic that I made the first test, some of the results was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that never produces FELV + My question is: what can I do with the rest of the cats of my home? Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV can I vaccinate him? What about the FELV +? I can't separate them because I have not space to do that. Thanks in advance, Virginia - LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What can I do?
I had taken in a kittie (Smokey) that turned out to be felv+. The 1st he was tested it was negative and I had to have him retested and it was positive. He had been around some of my other cats. I had them tested and 3 months later had them retested. Both times they were negative. I keep Smokey separated from my other cats now. Cindy --- Ntigat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home that was in the first test FELV -, I retested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat the test because I notice that in the clinic that I made the first test, some of the results was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that never produces FELV + My question is: what can I do with the rest of the cats of my home? Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV can I vaccinate him? What about the FELV +? I can't separate them because I have not space to do that. Thanks in advance, Virginia - LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: What can I do?
I can understand what youre feeling. My Tucson tested neg when I got her as a kitten and years later tested pos. Shed been an indoor cat all her life and not been exposed. Two vets told me that the Elissa can produce a false neg in kittens as timing is the key with kittens. Anyway, I had 3 other non-vaccinated cats that Tucson lived with all that timetwo of them had come in after her as kittens. They all tested neg and I got them vaccinated. There was no way I could or would separate the family and its been OK.. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ntigat Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:37 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: What can I do? After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home that was in the first test FELV -, I retested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat the test because I notice that in the clinic that I made the first test, some of the results was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that never produces FELV + My question is: what can I do with the rest of the cats of my home? Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV can I vaccinate him? What about the FELV +? I can't separate them because I have not space to do that. Thanks in advance, Virginia LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com
Interesting Reading
Here is some interesting reading I thought: http://www.felineleukemia.com/main.html one paragraph I found particularly interesting is: I knew from experience that the kitten was depleted of vitamins B and C. C is crucial for neutralizing free radicals created by the kitten's own immune response. Cats make their own vitamin C (ever see a cat eat an orange?), but their reserves are depleted under stress. It's absolutely cricital to counteract free radicals, as they can do in the liver and kidneys. B-vitamins are essential for immunity; without them, the entire immune system will collapse. In addition, research from Purdue University shows that vitamin B6 can inhibit FeLV in the test tube. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Interesting Reading
thanks for the link, belinda--went through the site, tho, and MANY of their links are dead (kvetch, kvetch, kvetch!) On 5/11/06, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is some interesting reading I thought: http://www.felineleukemia.com/main.htmlone paragraph I found particularly interesting is: I knew from experience that the kitten was depleted of vitamins B and C. C is crucial for neutralizing free radicals created by the kitten's own immune response. Cats make their own vitamin C (ever see a cat eat an orange?), but their reserves are depleted under stress. It's absolutely cricital to counteract free radicals, as they can do in the liver and kidneys. B-vitamins are essential for immunity; without them, the entire immune system will collapse. In addition, research from Purdue University shows that vitamin B6 can inhibit FeLV in the test tube. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Interesting Reading
Hi Belinda, I hope things are going well for you and that you're feeling ok. Thanks for the information. I think it's very interesting too. :) Wendy --- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is some interesting reading I thought: http://www.felineleukemia.com/main.htmlone paragraph I found particularly interesting is: I knew from experience that the kitten was depleted of vitamins B and C. C is crucial for neutralizing free radicals created by the kitten's own immune response. Cats make their own vitamin C (ever see a cat eat an orange?), but their reserves are depleted under stress. It's absolutely cricital to counteract free radicals, as they can do in the liver and kidneys. B-vitamins are essential for immunity; without them, the entire immune system will collapse. *In addition, research from Purdue University shows that vitamin B6 can inhibit FeLV in the test tube.* -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Interesting Reading
Wendy, Things are going as well as they can. We got Bailey's ashes back yesterday, Mike made a nice oak box with a spot for Bailey's photo on the front. I also got a pawprint impression and I have some fur from the last time I was cutting mats off of him. I'm going to put his favorite toy in with him (he loved those electrical outlet covers). The other kitties seem to be handling it OK, in fact after Mike brought Bailey home yesterday and put him up on the shelf with Buddie, Teenye and Synder several of them looked up there as if they were looking at something. Yesterday Joey was in my lap laying across my shoulder while I was sitting on the couch and he kept looking behind my head like someone was there, KC likes to lay there but he wasn't then, I kept talking to him and finally he focused on me for a second then looked behind me again. Maybe Bailey was visiting us. :) -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: OT: heartbroken
Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute. The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her.. I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old.. Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mamaI know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
RE: OT: heartbroken
I thought about that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan Doljan Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute. The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her.. I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old.. Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mamaI know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
RE: OT: heartbroken
Title: Message Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the kittens. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:39 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken I thought about that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan DoljanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute. The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her.. I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old.. Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mamaI know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
RE: OT: heartbroken
Title: Message I guess if I were going to try, I should try it asap before the mama forgets about her babies..huh? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doljan, Joan Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the kittens. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken I thought about that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan Doljan Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute. The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her.. I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old.. Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mamaI know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
RE: OT: heartbroken
Title: Message Yes. I figure they have a memory of about 2 or 3 days at most. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken I guess if I were going to try, I should try it asap before the mama forgets about her babies..huh? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doljan, JoanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:41 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the kittens. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:39 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken I thought about that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan DoljanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute. The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her.. I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old.. Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mamaI know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
FeLV+ Kitten needs home in Dallas area
Hi guys, My vet called me yesterday and wanted to know if I knew anyone who wants an FeLV+ kitten (tested twice now). The kitten's name is Ballerina. She is 8 months old, not spayed, but the owner said they were willing to do that first or contribute money towards the spay if it meant adopting her out. She is short-haired, white, with orange and gray splotches. She belongs to a little girl, who named her, and the mom said Ballerina is very sweet. They have two other cats that are 8 years old and negative (tested twice now six weeks apart) and they don't want to risk them contracting FeLV. She said she'd rather the kitten have a good home than go to a shelter. She also said she'd be happy to send photos via email. The lady I spoke with was very nice, and I'm sure this kitten has been taken very good care of. Ballerina is currently asymptomatic. Let me know if you or someone you know may be interested in giving this kitten a loving home. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: OT: heartbroken
Title: Message I know.. thats so sad (or is it blessing??) I had one time rescued a mama kitten who got attacked by a dog and got re-united with her babies after 4 or 5 days and she did not remember the babies at all From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doljan, Joan Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken Yes. I figure they have a memory of about 2 or 3 days at most. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken I guess if I were going to try, I should try it asap before the mama forgets about her babies..huh? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doljan, Joan Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the kittens. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken I thought about that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan Doljan Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute. The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her.. I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old.. Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mamaI know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
OT: sedative before flying (ACE)
Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
RE: sedative before flying (ACE)
I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed. I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic, usually the reaction is greater to the drug.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
RE: sedative before flying (ACE)
I've taken Tucson a couple of times across the country. I never gave her ACE---I was prepared for all possibilities---had a backpack that weighed a ton with food, water, wipes, leash, collars, health cert, toys, towels, and on and on. She slept the whole way. I had to change planes and opened the flaps on the carrier (Sherpa softsided) so she could see out--she sort of looked at me like I was insane! The only problem I had was that they make you take the cat out of the carrier when you go thru metal detector. I had put a harness on her before we left home and when I had to take her out, I clipped the leash which I wrapped around my arm. Then I picked her out of the top of the carrier by putting a big towel around her and lifting her so tthat it covered her and she couldn't see all those people looking at her. Security said something about having to see the cat so I let them peek as I held her. Then I just put her back in the carrier at the end of the xray machine thing-before I put on my shoes, grabbed my backpack and just got myself together. I wouldn't use ACE for a flight--they say that the change in cabin pressure and the ACE are not a good match. I think that most cats don't like all those strange people around them and just go off to sleep. I used a medium sized soft-sided carrier--fits better under the seat. At one point, it was sticking out a bit because airlines had put something or other under the seat in front of me--steward pointed that out and I asked where they would like me to put her! Nobody every bothered me again... Tucson did a whole lot better on the flight than I did--I suspect that's about normal! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
RE: Interesting Reading
Bailey was right there watching--he's home and he's healthy! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Interesting Reading Wendy, Things are going as well as they can. We got Bailey's ashes back yesterday, Mike made a nice oak box with a spot for Bailey's photo on the front. I also got a pawprint impression and I have some fur from the last time I was cutting mats off of him. I'm going to put his favorite toy in with him (he loved those electrical outlet covers). The other kitties seem to be handling it OK, in fact after Mike brought Bailey home yesterday and put him up on the shelf with Buddie, Teenye and Synder several of them looked up there as if they were looking at something. Yesterday Joey was in my lap laying across my shoulder while I was sitting on the couch and he kept looking behind my head like someone was there, KC likes to lay there but he wasn't then, I kept talking to him and finally he focused on me for a second then looked behind me again. Maybe Bailey was visiting us. :) -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Interesting Reading
He is visiting. They know. You will know soon. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:04 PM Subject: RE: Interesting Reading Bailey was right there watching--he's home and he's healthy! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Interesting Reading Wendy, Things are going as well as they can. We got Bailey's ashes back yesterday, Mike made a nice oak box with a spot for Bailey's photo on the front. I also got a pawprint impression and I have some fur from the last time I was cutting mats off of him. I'm going to put his favorite toy in with him (he loved those electrical outlet covers). The other kitties seem to be handling it OK, in fact after Mike brought Bailey home yesterday and put him up on the shelf with Buddie, Teenye and Synder several of them looked up there as if they were looking at something. Yesterday Joey was in my lap laying across my shoulder while I was sitting on the couch and he kept looking behind my head like someone was there, KC likes to lay there but he wasn't then, I kept talking to him and finally he focused on me for a second then looked behind me again. Maybe Bailey was visiting us. :) -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
I agree with the suggestions to not use any sedative. It has been my experience that the feeling of not being in control of themselves makes them stress out even more. It sounds like this kitty is tame and would probably be better off with out the Ace. Don't forget that big towel to wrap her in when you have to remove her from the carrier! Put the harness and short leash on her when you leave the house, (don't forget id tags). You guys will be fine, just keep your cool and she will too. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed. I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic, usually the reaction is greater to the drug.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
Re: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)
I have never heard of ACE, but did have a friend who used Benadryl to transport a cat in the cabin of an airplane. She had to give it pretty early before the flight, but the cat was apparently OK during the whole flight (2-3 hours). Don't know the dose though, so I would check with your vet...[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey folks,I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy.Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.Thanks much!Gloria Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out to get used to it... Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't think she would know the difference of going off the ground... Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted if you are with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case... Tad Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed. I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic, usually the reaction is greater to the drug.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
Re: OT: heartbroken
Is there a safe place to relocate momcat? I have a mini-colony of ferals in my back yard and two were relocated from another place to there.Hideyo, are you a member of the feral cat group yet? You may want to join. It's at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feral_cats/Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site. I know you have problems with the "return" part of TNR, but please think about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down the line.Love to you sweetheart,NinaJoan Doljan wrote: A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old..Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mama I know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
Good suggestion Tad! Depending on how much time you have you can also start feeding in the carrier to get her used to feeling safe in there. Nina Tad Burnett wrote: Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out to get used to it... Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't think she would know the difference of going off the ground... Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted if you are with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case... Tad
Re: Prayers for Allie
Calm yourself and let her guide you. You must ask her what she wants and you must ask her to tell you when she wants it. She will if you can listen (that is the hard part). She may need permission to make choices. Calm yourself and be very gentle with yourself and with Allie. Enjoy every minute--no, every second with her. She is a precious soul. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jennifer Ross To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: Prayers for Allie Allie was back at the vet today with 105 fever- came down to 102.5 with Metacam (kitty NSAID) and sq fluids. I did get the vet to show me how to give the sq fluids, so I can administer them now if she stops eating and drinking and looks dehydrated, or if her temp goes up (I've been monitoring her temp daily). They were also thinking of giving me some Metacamto administer at home, but decided to hold off on that. This is her 3rd temp spike in 2 weeks. The vet was prepping me for the fact that at some point Allie's body is not going to be able to tolerate these temps anymore and is not going to fight them off even with treatments because the fevers are causing such a stress on her system. Of course we don't know if that will be a week or a month, but it looks like it may be sooner than I thought. It's so hard because 2 days ago she was totally back to herself- eating great, playing, and she even sleep with us! I guess the calm before the storm... Keep her in your thoughts. I don't want her to suffer, but I'm not ready to say good-bye yet either! I'm still hoping she can beat these fevers, but that's not looking realistic anymore and I don't want to torture her... Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: Prayers for Allie
Both you and Allie are in my prayers. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 11 May 2006, Jennifer Ross wrote: Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:28:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Prayers for Allie Allie was back at the vet today with 105 fever- came down to 102.5 with Metacam (kitty NSAID) and sq fluids. I did get the vet to show me how to give the sq fluids, so I can administer them now if she stops eating and drinking and looks dehydrated, or if her temp goes up (I've been monitoring her temp daily). They were also thinking of giving me some Metacam to administer at home, but decided to hold off on that. This is her 3rd temp spike in 2 weeks. The vet was prepping me for the fact that at some point Allie's body is not going to be able to tolerate these temps anymore and is not going to fight them off even with treatments because the fevers are causing such a stress on her system. Of course we don't know if that will be a week or a month, but it looks like it may be sooner than I thought. It's so hard because 2 days ago she was totally back to herself- eating great, playing, and she even sleep with us! I guess the calm before the storm... Keep her in your thoughts. I don't want her to suffer, but I'm not ready to say good-bye yet either! I'm still hoping she can beat these fevers, but that's not looking realistic anymore and I don't want to torture her... - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less.
Re: Prayers for Allie
Jennifer my prayers and good thoughts are with you and Allie!! SherryJennifer Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allie was back at the vet today with 105 fever- came down to 102.5 with Metacam (kitty NSAID) and sq fluids. I did get the vet to show me how to give the sq fluids, so I can administer them now if she stops eating and drinking and looks dehydrated, or if her temp goes up (I've been monitoring her temp daily). They were also thinking of giving me some Metacamto administer at home, but decided to hold off on that. This is her 3rd temp spike in 2 weeks. The vet was prepping me for the fact that at some point Allie's body is not going to be able to tolerate these temps anymore and is not going to fight them off even with treatments because the fevers are causing such a stress on her system. Of course we don't know if that will be a week or a month, but it looks like it may be sooner than I thought. It's so hard because 2 days ago she was totally back to herself- eating great, playing, and she even sleep with us! I guess the calm before the storm... Keep her in your thoughts. I don't want her to suffer, but I'm not ready to say good-bye yet either! I'm still hoping she can beat these fevers, but that's not looking realistic anymore and I don't want to torture her... Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)
Heh, I'd be more inclined to take the sedative myself and let the little one be! ;) In all seriousness, the little guy should be okay without it...I picked up our Marvin (FeLV+ Siamese) in New Jersey and flew him back to Houston with me in the cabin...other than the strange looks from passengers wondering where that soft (or not so soft if you've ever had a Siamese ;) ) meow was coming from, we didn't run into any issues...Even taking him out of the carrier for the metal detector, he clung to me like there was no tomorrow! I also had one of those soft-sided carriers with flaps to cover the sides in case the outside world got to be too much...but Marvie did just great! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:20 pm Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
RE: Prayers for Allie
Hi, you and Allie are in my thought and prayers - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Prayers for Allie Both you and Allie are in my prayers. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 11 May 2006, Jennifer Ross wrote: Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:28:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Prayers for Allie Allie was back at the vet today with 105 fever- came down to 102.5 with Metacam (kitty NSAID) and sq fluids. I did get the vet to show me how to give the sq fluids, so I can administer them now if she stops eating and drinking and looks dehydrated, or if her temp goes up (I've been monitoring her temp daily). They were also thinking of giving me some Metacam to administer at home, but decided to hold off on that. This is her 3rd temp spike in 2 weeks. The vet was prepping me for the fact that at some point Allie's body is not going to be able to tolerate these temps anymore and is not going to fight them off even with treatments because the fevers are causing such a stress on her system. Of course we don't know if that will be a week or a month, but it looks like it may be sooner than I thought. It's so hard because 2 days ago she was totally back to herself- eating great, playing, and she even sleep with us! I guess the calm before the storm... Keep her in your thoughts. I don't want her to suffer, but I'm not ready to say good-bye yet either! I'm still hoping she can beat these fevers, but that's not looking realistic anymore and I don't want to torture her... - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
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Several years ago when I trapped Cutie-Pie's babies one by one and brought them inside, she cried and ran around the house looking for them at first. But when she saw them in my foyer through the screen door she was fine. She knew I had them. (They screamed like crazy for her but she was fine with it.) Cutie-Pie was later trapped and spayed and then returned to my backyard. She is an untouchable feral girl. Now she is a plump plush little feral queen who presides over a colony of herself and 4 neutered feral boys. They live in my backyard and basement, are spoiled rotten (canned and dry food, catnip), and are very happy and safe there. In all these years Cutie has never allowed me the pet her, even once, but she will sit near me when I am outside and blink her eyes at me (throwing kisses).janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also trapped moms using kittens for bait. It'sheartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after thespay and she looks so much better and relaxed. Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - thekittens will get bigger, she will have a harder timecaring for them. They will start wandering andsomething could happen to them. She will get pregnantagain and not want that litter anymore. When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and momsees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she isrelieved and it's probably the first break she's hadin a long time. I've had mothers who are sick but youwouldn't even know it until they understand they nolonger have pretend to be fine just because they havekittens. I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can butI always tell her it's OK, her babies are fine.Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will makea big difference in her quality of life.--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site. I know you have problems with the "return" part of TNR, but please think about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down the line. Love to you sweetheart, Nina Joan Doljan wrote: A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened, baited trap. */Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things - I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out... but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out - they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldn't - there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mama's previous litter - she is less than a year old..Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I don't mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I don't know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama -I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mama...I know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama...
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Where are you located? Perhaps there are other rescue people in your area. Your really must join the feral cat group I referenced in my earlier post. It's a nationwide group with close to 2000 members now.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, everyone, please understand I do spay and neuter whenever the opportunity there is I dont even want to tell you how many cats I have with me because its going to freak everyone out but I am saying that I simply dont have a space right now to even temporarily keep them.. I am used up all the crates that I have because I have trapped some more I might have to catch ten or twenty before I can get the mama, but the meantime, I dont have a place to recover all of them thats my dilemma, otherwise I would have gotten all of them right away.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:04 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: heartbrokenSeveral years ago when I trapped Cutie-Pie's babies one by one and brought them inside, she cried and ran around the house looking for them at first. But when she saw them in my foyer through the screen door she was fine. She knew I had them. (They screamed like crazy for her but she was fine with it.) Cutie-Pie was later trapped and spayed and then returned to my backyard. She is an untouchable feral girl. Now she is a plump plush little feral queen who presides over a colony of herself and 4 neutered feral boys. They live in my backyard and basement, are spoiled rotten (canned and dry food, catnip), and are very happy and safe there. In all these years Cutie has never allowed me the pet her, even once, but she will sit near me when I am outside and blink her eyes at me (throwing kisses).janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also trapped moms using kittens for bait. It'sheartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after thespay and she looks so much better and relaxed. Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - thekittens will get bigger, she will have a harder timecaring for them. They will start wandering andsomething could happen to them. She will get pregnantagain and not want that litter anymore. When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and momsees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she isrelieved and it's probably the first break she's hadin a long time. I've had mothers who are sick but youwouldn't even know it until they understand they nolonger have pretend to be fine just because they havekittens. I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can butI always tell her it's OK, her babies are fine.Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will makea big difference in her quality of life.--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site. I know you have problems with the "return" part of TNR, but please think about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down the line. Love to you sweetheart, Nina Joan Doljan wrote: A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened, baited trap. */Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things - I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out... but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out - they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldn't - there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mama's previous litter
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I am pretty well connected with the people in the rescue group I know them and they all know about me pretty much.. all the people I know of, they are in some what similar situations as I am they usually find a problem for ME to solve because they know that I will not say NOand they are right.. I never say NO to any cats who need a help and thats why I have what I have ---some are Felk, or FIV, or injured, sick.. I nurture them back to health whenever I can.. and no one wants the cats I have.. but instead they call me if I could take care of the ones they find.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken Where are you located? Perhaps there are other rescue people in your area. Your really must join the freral cat group I referenced in my earlier post. It's a nationwide group with close to 2000 members now. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, please understand I do spay and neuter whenever the opportunity there is I dont even want to tell you how many cats I have with me because its going to freak everyone out but I am saying that I simply dont have a space right now to even temporarily keep them.. I am used up all the crates that I have because I have trapped some moreI might have to catch ten or twenty before I can get the mama, but the meantime, I dont have a place to recover all of them thats my dilemma, otherwise I would have gotten all of them right away. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: heartbroken Several years ago when I trapped Cutie-Pie's babies one by one and brought them inside, she cried and ran around the house looking for them at first. But when she saw them in my foyer through the screen door she was fine. She knew I had them. (They screamed like crazy for her but she was fine with it.) Cutie-Pie was later trapped and spayed and then returned to my backyard. She is an untouchable feral girl. Now she is a plump plush little feral queen who presides over a colony of herself and 4 neutered feral boys. They live in my backyard and basement, are spoiled rotten (canned and dry food, catnip), and are very happy and safe there. In all these years Cutie has never allowed me the pet her, even once, but she will sit near me when I am outside and blink her eyes at me (throwing kisses). janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also trapped moms using kittens for bait. It's heartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after the spay and she looks so much better and relaxed. Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - the kittens will get bigger, she will have a harder time caring for them. They will start wandering and something could happen to them. She will get pregnant again and not want that litter anymore. When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and mom sees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she is relieved and it's probably the first break she's had in a long time. I've had mothers who are sick but you wouldn't even know it until they understand they no longer have pretend to be fine just because they have kittens. I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can but I always tell her it's OK, her babies are fine. Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will make a big difference in her quality of life. --- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site. I know you have problems with the return part of TNR, but please think about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down the line. Love to you sweetheart, Nina Joan Doljan wrote: A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened, baited trap. */Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things - I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out... but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out - they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one
RE: OT: heartbroken
Senior and special needs cats are adoptable. It takes longer and you work harder at it but I firmly believe that, somewhere, there's a forever home for every foster cat in my care -- and that forever home is not necessarily me. You just have to really work on finding adoptive homes.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I am pretty well connected with the people in the rescue group I know them and they all know about me pretty much.. all the people I know of, they are in some what similar situations as I am they usually find a problem for ME to solve because they know that I will not say NO and they are right.. I never say NO to any cats who need a help and thats why I have what I have ---some are Felk, or FIV, or injured, sick.. I nurture them back to health whenever I can.. and no one wants the cats I have.. but instead they call me if I could take care of the ones they find..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:17 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbrokenWhere are you located? Perhaps there are other rescue people in your area. Your really must join the freral cat group I referenced in my earlier post. It's a nationwide group with close to 2000 members now.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, please understand I do spay and neuter whenever the opportunity there is I dont even want to tell you how many cats I have with me because its going to freak everyone out but I am saying that I simply dont have a space right now to even temporarily keep them.. I am used up all the crates that I have because I have trapped some more I might have to catch ten or twenty before I can get the mama, but the meantime, I dont have a place to recover all of them thats my dilemma, otherwise I would have gotten all of them right away.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:04 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: heartbrokenSeveral years ago when I trapped Cutie-Pie's babies one by one and brought them inside, she cried and ran around the house looking for them at first. But when she saw them in my foyer through the screen door she was fine. She knew I had them. (They screamed like crazy for her but she was fine with it.) Cutie-Pie was later trapped and spayed and then returned to my backyard. She is an untouchable feral girl. Now she is a plump plush little feral queen who presides over a colony of herself and 4 neutered feral boys. They live in my backyard and basement, are spoiled rotten (canned and dry food, catnip), and are very happy and safe there. In all these years Cutie has never allowed me the pet her, even once, but she will sit near me when I am outside and blink her eyes at me (throwing kisses).janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also trapped moms using kittens for bait. It'sheartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after thespay and she looks so much better and relaxed. Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - thekittens will get bigger, she will have a harder timecaring for them. They will start wandering andsomething could happen to them. She will get pregnantagain and not want that litter anymore. When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and momsees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she isrelieved and it's probably the first break she's hadin a long time. I've had mothers who are sick but youwouldn't even know it until they understand they nolonger have pretend to be fine just because they havekittens. I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can butI always tell her it's OK, her babies are fine.Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will makea big difference in her quality of life.--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site. I know you have problems with the "return" part of TNR, but please think about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down the line. Love to you sweetheart, Nina Joan Doljan wrote: A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened, baited trap. */Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things - I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole
RE: What can I do?
Next saturday I will retest another two cats, and on monday another two, and so on.Wendy I will apreciate all the documentation that you can provide me.I have also Alpha interferon.Thanks to all for the help. Today I don't feel very well. I think I'm a little depressive for that situation.Thaks a lot to everybody for the help. LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo.Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto.http://es.voice.yahoo.com
Re: Prayers for Allie
Please try Immuno-Regulin (see articles on www.felineleukemia.org). Smokey on this list went through the same thing and completely stopped getting fevers once he started getting Immuno-regulin shots. I believe he gets them sub-q at home now. Michelle In a message dated 5/11/2006 6:28:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Allie was back at the vet today with 105 fever- came down to 102.5 with Metacam (kitty NSAID) and sq fluids. I did get the vet to show me how to give the sq fluids, so I can administer them now if she stops eating and drinking and looks dehydrated, or if her temp goes up (I've been monitoring her temp daily). They were also thinking of giving me some Metacamto administer at home, but decided to hold off on that. This is her 3rd temp spike in 2 weeks. The vet was prepping me for the fact that at some point Allie's body is not going to be able to tolerate these temps anymore and is not going to fight them off even with treatments because the fevers are causing such a stress on her system. Of course we don't know if that will be a week or a month, but it looks like it may be sooner than I thought. It's so hard because 2 days ago she was totally back to herself- eating great, playing, and she even sleep with us! I guess the calm before the storm... Keep her in your thoughts. I don't want her to suffer, but I'm not ready to say good-bye yet either! I'm still hoping she can beat these fevers, but that's not looking realistic anymore and I don't want to torture her...
Re: OT: heartbroken (feral cat assistance)
Hideyo, where do you live? I can try to find another feral caretaker in your area, and see if they can help with holding space and cages. I'm part of a very large feral cat network. Email me DIRECTLY at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with all of your info, including your email address, city, state, and if you don't mind, a phone number. That way I can just copy your text and re-post it to a few resources I have, and see if anyone can help you. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 5/10/2006
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
I would not drug a cat before flying, especially not without a FULL medical workup (including a heart ultrasound). Cats are just as affected by pressure and altitude changes as humans are, and any drug given will have a much stronger effect in the air. This sometimes can lead to medical issues. It's just not worth it, if she meows the whole trip, so what? Cats are allowed, other passengers can't say too much, I wouldn't think. It's only 3 hours max, I think she would be better off undrugged. BTW, ACE is a horse tranquilizer, or at least it's the most commonly use tranq in horses, for those of you who have never heard of it. Has been known in male horses to cause a relaxation of the penis from the sheath, that does not reverse, causing permanent penile paralysis. Doesn't sound so bad if you're not breeding the horse if you don't know how horse's penis's work, but a horse penis left out of it's sheath quickly dries out, and more or less, dehydrates to the point of turning rancid (horses usually keep their penis pulled up into a protective sheath, it's similar to a dog, but bigger and looser). The only way to save a horse's life that has had this side effect caused by ACE is to amputate the penis... YES you heard that right, this drug, that the vet gave you for your cat, is known to sometimes cause a horse to need it's penis amputated, or the horse dies. Not something I would EVER give any of my animals, IMO. If you choose to sedate the cat at all, I recommend NO more than 1/2 a tablet of Benadryl, but 1/4 would be even better, as the altitude and pressure will make the drug have a stronger effect than it would on the ground. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name) http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 5/10/2006
Re: Interesting Reading
Many of my links are dead too... Maybe that website's owner works two jobs and runs a cat rescue too... It's one of the many things on The List, that is the never-ending list of things to do... Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name) http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 5/10/2006
Re: Can we please add this poor baby to the CLS? Better news
Oh yeah! Wonderful news! I will have to cross-post that to many lists now... Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name) http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 5/10/2006
Re: OT: heartbroken
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeralFriendsOnline/is another good one. This is the main feral group I am on, it's the email list for Ally Cat Allies, really good list, lots of help, members all over the country. I'm also on a feral cat transport group, if anyone ever needs to relocate a colony or such. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 5/10/2006
RE: OT: heartbroken
I understand how you feel. Have dealt with that problem with my feral dog pack. You HAVE to get them from the mother (and it's hard when they are chow and german shephard mixes!) or they don't have a chance of being socialized. I hope you can trap her.Where do you live, Hideyo? I am seriously considering taking in a positive kitten this summer. tHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old..Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mama I know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
RE: OT: heartbroken
True, but how do you get the kittens to stay in the back of the trap and not spring it on themselves.."Doljan, Joan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the kittens. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:39 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken I thought about that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan DoljanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old..Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mama I know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
RE: What can I do?
Same story here. Cats had been living together for at least 4 months before I found one was positive. I had 12 I think at the time. None of my negatives ever turned positive. Adopted a new positive and same story. Some of my cats have lived nearly their entire lives (the older ones) with a positive, and they are all negative.tChris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I can understand what youre feeling. My Tucson tested neg when I got her as a kitten and years later tested pos. Shed been an indoor cat all her life and not been exposed. Two vets told me that the Elissa can produce a false neg in kittens as timing is the key with kittens. Anyway, I had 3 other non-vaccinated cats that Tucson lived with all that timetwo of them had come in after her as kittens. They all tested neg and I got them vaccinated. There was no way I could or would separate the family and its been OK .. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NtigatSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:37 AMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: What can I do? After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home that was in the first test FELV -, Iretested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat the test because Inotice that in the clinic that I made the first test, some of theresults was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that never produces FELV +My question is: what can I do with the rest of the cats of my home?Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV can I vaccinate him? Whatabout the FELV +? I can't separate them because I have not space to do that.Thanks in advance,Virginia LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo.Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto.http://es.voice.yahoo.com
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
And the short car ride could be to a Kentucky Fried Chicken which would be placed near the carrier on the way home and shared at home thus the carrier / car ride become something to look forward to next time.. Tad Nina wrote: Good suggestion Tad! Depending on how much time you have you can also start feeding in the carrier to get her used to feeling safe in there. Nina Tad Burnett wrote: Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out to get used to it... Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't think she would know the difference of going off the ground... Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted if you are with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case... Tad
RE: OT: heartbroken
yes! maybe put one or two kittens only inside a little box at the back of the trap. she'll go in for them.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I guess if I were going to try, I should try it asap before the mama forgets about her babies..huh?From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doljan, JoanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:41 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the kittens.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:39 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken I thought about that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan DoljanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter she is less than a year old..Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mama I know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama
Re: FeLV+ Kitten needs home in Dallas area
How long has Ballerina been with the other cats? If any time at all and she has retested all of them I think it 99.9 percent sure that 2 vaccinated 8 year old cats are NOT going to catch leukemia.. :(wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys,My vet called me yesterday and wanted to know if Iknew anyone who wants an FeLV+ kitten (tested twicenow). The kitten's name is Ballerina. She is 8months old, not spayed, but the owner said they werewilling to do that first or contribute money towardsthe spay if it meant adopting her out. She isshort-haired, white, with orange and gray splotches. She belongs to a little girl, who named her, and themom said Ballerina is very sweet. They have two othercats that are 8 years old and negative (tested twicenow six weeks apart) and they don't want to risk themcontracting FeLV. She said she'd rather the kittenhave a good home than go to a shelter. She also saidshe'd be happy to send photos via email. The lady Ispoke with was very nice, and I'm sure this kitten hasbeen taken very good care of. Ballerina is currentlyasymptomatic. Let me know if you or someone you knowmay be interested in giving this kitten a loving home.:)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Prayers for Allie
Prayers on the way for Allie. tJennifer Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allie was back at the vet today with 105 fever- came down to 102.5 with Metacam (kitty NSAID) and sq fluids. I did get the vet to show me how to give the sq fluids, so I can administer them now if she stops eating and drinking and looks dehydrated, or if her temp goes up (I've been monitoring her temp daily). They were also thinking of giving me some Metacamto administer at home, but decided to hold off on that. This is her 3rd temp spike in 2 weeks. The vet was prepping me for the fact that at some point Allie's body is not going to be able to tolerate these temps anymore and is not going to fight them off even with treatments because the fevers are causing such a stress on her system. Of course we don't know if that will be a week or a month, but it looks like it may be sooner than I thought. It's so hard because 2 days ago she was totally back to herself- eating great, playing, and she even sleep with us! I guess the calm before the storm... Keep her in your thoughts. I don't want her to suffer, but I'm not ready to say good-bye yet either! I'm still hoping she can beat these fevers, but that's not looking realistic anymore and I don't want to torture her... Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: OT: heartbroken
Hi Tonya, You put the kitten in a carrier and back the trap up to the door of the carrier, cover both of them to make a tunnel. The mom hears and smells the kitten and goes in the "tunnel" to investigate tripping the trap. N catatonya wrote: True, but how do you get the kittens to stay in the back of the trap and not spring it on themselves.. "Doljan, Joan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the kittens.
Re: What can I do?
Virgina, Me too. I had cats living together, grooming each other, sharing food/litter, playing etc., with my +s before I knew of their status. I had my other cats tested and they were all neg. I didn't separate them because it would have been too disruptive to our family life and none of my neg cats ever became pos. If your neg cats haven't been vaccinated, I would do so. Try not to worry about your negs too much. If they are adults and healthy, they're probably okay. I understand your being depressed. I don't think there's a person on the list that wasn't shocked and terribly upset when they first learned one of their cats was felv pos. You'll get plenty of support and lots of good advice here, take heart, many, many +s live happy, healthy lives, they just don't usually have the same life span as negs. This disease is so unpredictable that you and your little foster may have a very long time together. She's asymptomatic now right? What's her name? Are you planning on keeping her now? Nina catatonya wrote: Same story here. Cats had been living together for at least 4 months before I found one was positive. I had 12 I think at the time. None of my negatives ever turned positive. Adopted a new positive and same story. Some of my cats have lived nearly their entire lives (the older ones) with a positive, and they are all negative. t Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can understand what youre feeling. My Tucson tested neg when I got her as a kitten and years later tested pos. Shed been an indoor cat all her life and not been exposed. Two vets told me that the Elissa can produce a false neg in kittens as timing is the key with kittens. Anyway, I had 3 other non-vaccinated cats that Tucson lived with all that timetwo of them had come in after her as kittens. They all tested neg and I got them vaccinated. There was no way I could or would separate the family and its been OK.. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ntigat Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:37 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: What can I do? After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home that was in the first test FELV -, I retested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat the test because I notice that in the clinic that I made the first test, some of the results was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that never produces FELV + My question is: what can I do with the rest of the cats of my home? Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV can I vaccinate him? What about the FELV +? I can't separate them because I have not space to do that. Thanks in advance, Virginia LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y mviles desde 1 cntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com
Re: Prayers for Allie
Sending positive healing vibes for your sweet Allie, Jennifer. And wonderful that you know now how to give her subQs---well done. That will help so much to keep her comfortable. You are both in my thoughts, hugs, Kerry - Original Message - From: Jennifer Ross To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: Prayers for Allie Allie was back at the vet today with 105 fever- came down to 102.5 with Metacam (kitty NSAID) and sq fluids. I did get the vet to show me how to give the sq fluids, so I can administer them now if she stops eating and drinking and looks dehydrated, or if her temp goes up (I've been monitoring her temp daily). They were also thinking of giving me some Metacamto administer at home, but decided to hold off on that. This is her 3rd temp spike in 2 weeks. The vet was prepping me for the fact that at some point Allie's body is not going to be able to tolerate these temps anymore and is not going to fight them off even with treatments because the fevers are causing such a stress on her system. Of course we don't know if that will be a week or a month, but it looks like it may be sooner than I thought. It's so hard because 2 days ago she was totally back to herself- eating great, playing, and she even sleep with us! I guess the calm before the storm... Keep her in your thoughts. I don't want her to suffer, but I'm not ready to say good-bye yet either! I'm still hoping she can beat these fevers, but that's not looking realistic anymore and I don't want to torture her... Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: Prayers for Allie
Jennifer, I'm sorry you and Allie are having such a hard time. I know there have been several cats that seemed to benefit from IR, it may be worth a try at this point. Someone remind me, did Kerry R use this for her kitty with the spiking temps? When I first heard about IR, I had heard that it had to be administered IV, then someone posted to the list about using it subq, (forgive me, my mind seems to be mush tonight and I can't remember the specifics). I'm praying for you and Allie's quick recovery. Let us know what's going on, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please try Immuno-Regulin (see articles on www.felineleukemia.org). Smokey on this list went through the same thing and completely stopped getting fevers once he started getting Immuno-regulin shots. I believe he gets them sub-q at home now. Michelle In a message dated 5/11/2006 6:28:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Allie was back at the vet today with 105 fever- came down to 102.5 with Metacam (kitty NSAID) and sq fluids. I did get the vet to show me how to give the sq fluids, so I can administer them now if she stops eating and drinking and looks dehydrated, or if her temp goes up (I've been monitoring her temp daily). They were also thinking of giving me some Metacamto administer at home, but decided to hold off on that. This is her 3rd temp spike in 2 weeks. The vet was prepping me for the fact that at some point Allie's body is not going to be able to tolerate these temps anymore and is not going to fight them off even with treatments because the fevers are causing such a stress on her system. Of course we don't know if that will be a week or a month, but it looks like it may be sooner than I thought. It's so hard because 2 days ago she was totally back to herself- eating great, playing, and she even sleep with us! I guess the calm before the storm... Keep her in your thoughts. I don't want her to suffer, but I'm not ready to say good-bye yet either! I'm still hoping she can beat these fevers, but that's not looking realistic anymore and I don't want to torture her...
Re: Please add Papoose to CLS
Aww Jeni, I'm sorry about little Papoose. I know your heart is breaking, but it's so wonderful that you made the short time he had on earth full of love and caring. You might not have been able to give him more time, but you gave him something even more important, you gave him a place to belong; you gave him a loving and secure home. I'm sure your whole household is missing his sweet presence. Blessings to you in your grief, Nina JENI RECA wrote: I put Papoose feluk + to sleep today after he was running a 106.4 temp for the past 4 days and it wasnt going down he also was anemic and had a heart mummer and wasnt getting better. He lived a wonderful life of 8 months in our house with our dogs and our other feluk + cat. I miss him dearly and am happy he did not suffer. He was found on the streets of queens as a tiny little 5 week old kitten and brought to the shelter I work at. He came up postive on both test and I decided to adopt him instead of them putting him down. I am just sad that we did not have more time with him. Thank you.
Re: PAWS and the FeLV room
If this saves even one it will have been worth the effort. Thank you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:25 PM Subject: PAWS and the FeLV room Dear Belinda, Rebecca, Marylyn, Wendy, MaryChristine, Janine, Terri, Gloria, Becca, Karen and everyone -- I heard some great news last night when I (finally) met up with the PAWS clinic director, Rochelle, to talk about my foster Pookie's mishandled euthanization by Family Pet. During the course of our conversation she began talking about the new PAWS shelter opening in Chicago next year, and so I asked *her* if an FeLV area was planned. (I had not said much to her about the phone call I had from her boss, PAWS' owner, Paula Fasseas, apart from the fact that I felt that it was a good conversation and didn't just seem like a token PR gesture.) I fully expected her to say no, or, we don't know yet, we're still working on it. But she said an unequivocal Yes! She also said that PAWS will be committing to paying medical bills for all FeLV cats they adopt out so as to encourage adoptions of FeLV cats. I tell you, it was hard to stop myself from bursting into tears. If this is true--and I won't really believe it till I see it--then this is fantastic news and I can hardly believe it. As you know (and for benefit of new listmembers) I had heard from 2 authoritative sources--one a PAWS adoption counsellor and the other the director of the Tree House shelter--that PAWS was not going to have an FeLV room. I intended to write the owner to try and get her to change her mind. So when she called me, about Pookie, and I got a rare chance to speak to her directly, she said (as if it was a whole new idea) well, we do have 2 spare rooms, so one of these could be an FeLV room... And now it seems to be actually happening! She will have all your testimonials by now...I hope they are used in the education program. Either way, I believe they helped tip the decision in the right direction. Will keep you posted on any further developments when I get back to Chicago mid-June. Thanks to you all for your input! hugs, Kerry
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
Very helpful, thanks - I'd heard that it can make them disassociative when they're coming out of it - not knowing where they are, etc. Gloria At 03:26 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote: Acepromazine for a cat? This was first choice sedative? WOW! Tough stuff for kitty IMO, especially since he's riding in cabin with you. We only use this in cats to induce anesthesia sometimes. It dilates their pupils a lot and stays in their system for a day or two depending on how fast your their metabolism is. We also use it for animals that go home after exstensive surgery and they need to stay still (like bone breaks, etc...). Their appetite will decrease to almost nothing and sometimes they won't want to eat at all. Personally, I wouldn't use it, not for a 2 1/2 hour flight. ~ Rachel Operation Foster Felix http://www.operationfosterfelix.orgwww.operationfosterfelix.org Sharing Our Hearts, Homes Litter Boxes If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:20 PM Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
RE: sedative before flying (ACE)
Re your last comment, right! I was thinking I might need the Ace more than Gizmo...! Gloria At 03:38 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote: I've taken Tucson a couple of times across the country. I never gave her ACE---I was prepared for all possibilities---had a backpack that weighed a ton with food, water, wipes, leash, collars, health cert, toys, towels, and on and on. She slept the whole way. I had to change planes and opened the flaps on the carrier (Sherpa softsided) so she could see out--she sort of looked at me like I was insane! The only problem I had was that they make you take the cat out of the carrier when you go thru metal detector. I had put a harness on her before we left home and when I had to take her out, I clipped the leash which I wrapped around my arm. Then I picked her out of the top of the carrier by putting a big towel around her and lifting her so tthat it covered her and she couldn't see all those people looking at her. Security said something about having to see the cat so I let them peek as I held her. Then I just put her back in the carrier at the end of the xray machine thing-before I put on my shoes, grabbed my backpack and just got myself together. I wouldn't use ACE for a flight--they say that the change in cabin pressure and the ACE are not a good match. I think that most cats don't like all those strange people around them and just go off to sleep. I used a medium sized soft-sided carrier--fits better under the seat. At one point, it was sticking out a bit because airlines had put something or other under the seat in front of me--steward pointed that out and I asked where they would like me to put her! Nobody every bothered me again... Tucson did a whole lot better on the flight than I did--I suspect that's about normal! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
Right, thanks to you all for the mention of the towel. Hadn't thought of that. Gloria At 05:09 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote: I agree with the suggestions to not use any sedative. It has been my experience that the feeling of not being in control of themselves makes them stress out even more. It sounds like this kitty is tame and would probably be better off with out the Ace. Don't forget that big towel to wrap her in when you have to remove her from the carrier! Put the harness and short leash on her when you leave the house, (don't forget id tags). You guys will be fine, just keep your cool and she will too. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed. I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic, usually the reaction is greater to the drug.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
Yup - been doing that. Started some Rescue Remedy too. Someone suggested a little Benadryl the morning of the flight...? Gloria At 05:25 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote: Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out to get used to it... Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't think she would know the difference of going off the ground... Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted if you are with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case... Tad Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed. I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic, usually the reaction is greater to the drug.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
Thanks a million, folks - everyone - this has been SO wonderfully helpful. Don't know what I'd do without you. Gloria At 07:30 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote: And the short car ride could be to a Kentucky Fried Chicken which would be placed near the carrier on the way home and shared at home thus the carrier / car ride become something to look forward to next time.. Tad Nina wrote: Good suggestion Tad! Depending on how much time you have you can also start feeding in the carrier to get her used to feeling safe in there. Nina Tad Burnett wrote: Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out to get used to it... Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't think she would know the difference of going off the ground... Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted if you are with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case... Tad
Re: OT: heartbroken
Yep that's me, I'm a sucker for senior Meezers! So they come to my home and live their time out sunbathing/eating whenever. I also get calls that people are trying to place their senior meezersfor many reasons that most you know. Idiots! In a message dated 5/11/2006 4:36:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Senior and special needs cats are adoptable. It takes longer and you work harder at it but I firmly believe that, somewhere, there's a forever home for every foster cat in my care -- and that forever home is not necessarily me. You just have to really work on finding adoptive homes. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
Re: PAWS and the FeLV room
YAY!!! That is awesome news...do keep us up to date on this! In a message dated 5/11/2006 7:31:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Belinda, Rebecca, Marylyn, Wendy, MaryChristine, Janine, Terri, Gloria,Becca, Karen and everyone --I heard some great news last night when I (finally) met up with the PAWSclinic director, Rochelle, to talk about my foster Pookie's mishandledeuthanization by Family Pet.During the course of our conversation she began talking about the new PAWSshelter opening in Chicago next year, and so I asked *her* if an FeLV areawas planned. (I had not said much to her about the phone call I had from herboss, PAWS' owner, Paula Fasseas, apart from the fact that I felt that itwas a good conversation and didn't just seem like a token PR gesture.)I fully expected her to say no, or, we don't know yet, we're still workingon it. But she said an unequivocal "Yes"! She also said that PAWS will becommitting to paying medical bills for all FeLV cats they adopt out so as toencourage adoptions of FeLV cats.I tell you, it was hard to stop myself from bursting into tears.If this is true--and I won't really believe it till I see it--then this isfantastic news and I can hardly believe it. As you know (and for benefit ofnew listmembers) I had heard from 2 authoritative sources--one a PAWSadoption counsellor and the other the director of the Tree Houseshelter--that PAWS was not going to have an FeLV room. I intended to writethe owner to try and get her to change her mind. So when she called me,about Pookie, and I got a rare chance to speak to her directly, she said (asif it was a whole new idea) well, we do have 2 spare rooms, so one of thesecould be an FeLV room...And now it seems to be actually happening!She will have all your testimonials by now...I hope they are used in the"education" program. Either way, I believe they helped tip the decision inthe right direction.Will keep you posted on any further developments when I get back to Chicagomid-June.Thanks to you all for your input! hugs, Kerry Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
