Tiny
This message was sent before. I never saw it posted. I would like any feedback or thoughts about my kitties. Comcast came into the neighborhood and fixed whatever the problem was with the connection here. I was barely about to get a couple of emails out. For the past couple days I have cried, and reflected on my time with Tiny. Tiny was definitely my cat or more realistically I was his human. He chose me and that was very special. I am so glad he came to live with me. I will always wonder if I did this or that would the outcome have been different. Probably not and besides I cannot change what has happened. I now have to focus on Junior. I spoke to Beth at work today. SHe used to be a vet's tech. Her cat was diagnosed FIV. Well she was prepared to euthanize the cat. He was elderly however the vet knowing she did not want to do this tried an experimental procedure. I never could find out what it was other than it was interferon. Today her husband stopped by and described the procedure. It was low dose oral administration of interferon. She said the cat became almost kitten-like and asymptomatic. The cat later developed oral cancer and was put down, he was 18 years old. Now that I have this information, I will have my vet Dr Staunton call her vet Dr Elam to get the information. I already gave Dr Staunton the Italian study paper to read. I was told she took it home that day to read. Dr Elam used to be my family's vet for many years. I cannot afford him these days as he is the highest priced vet in town. It is funny, because he started out as a farm animal vet and was very reasonable. I still see him occasionally in the grocery store. I am thankful I was able to spend time with Tiny during his last hour here on earth. When I lost my Fluff Last February, I was able to spend time with him because I had a few days of vacation I had to use up. I knew Fluffy was declining and I was so lucky then to have spent his last week on earth with him. I did not know at the time that would be the end for him. He was the alpha cat and he trained all my cats on proper cat behavior. Although Ittle Bitty was Tiny's best friend and he trained Tiny in the art of lick and bite. Fluffy had trained Ittle Bitty.and so it goes. Just an observation. I have heard that older cats most likely have some immunity to FeLV. I also have read vaccines are most likely effective longer than stated. he is what I know about my cats. Spike age 10 tested negative - likely to have been vaccinated once for FELV and other diseases Speedy age 8 tested negative- likely to have been vaccinated once for FELV and other diseases Ittle Bitty age 7 tested negative -likely to have been vaccinated once for FELV and other diseases Little Black - age 5 she is not social at all with the other cats she is strictly outside and eats on her own. Grey and white- age 4 same mom as Junior, from a different litter.. also had less interaction with the sick cats this summer the exposure was less. Junior - age 4 hit by a car in April caught Tiny' URI in June, a mild case in August he became anemic and was treated. FELV positive received immuno-regulin. Has had uveitis and URI since testing positive. Lily - age 1and a half. Stayed outside much of the time she is social but during the URI outbreak was mostly outside Daisy- age 8 weeks at the time of the outbreak and age 4 months when tested negative, She was very social with a all the cats stayed inside during the outbreak.She is still healthy and has never been sick during all this. She was Lionel best friend. They played together and mutual grooming. All the inside cats ate from a mutual feeding station. Lionel deceased.age unknown- also got Tiny's URI and had a bad cough. He tested positive for FIV which I am guessing he had when he was adopted last March. No fighting with him so I am not worried about FIV in the other cats. I assume he caught FelV from one of the other cats. He became a strictly inside cat when he came to live with us. He has a broken leg that had healed without surgery. I feel good that he lived his remaining time like a King after a very rough start to life. Pumpkin- age 8 months he also caught Tiny's URI , but only a mild case.not tested developed anemia weight loss and was jaundiced.died at the vet's office after crashing,he was euthanized. Most likely was FeLV Tiny age 5 years. Got a bad URI and went to the vet in May later diagnosed FeLV positive ,died of respiratory arrest. Appeared to be asymptomatic up until the last week and even then did not appear to be serious Silver showed up on my doorstep the very day I started vaccinating all the negative cats, He was very emaciated but tested negative and joined the group. He is an inside cat. I don't know does any of this make sense? This is very brief.. I know all the positive cats actually spent more time inside than outside during the URI outbreak. Because Tiny really had it bad I kept him inside
RE: Please add Jimi Too Cool to the CLS
Dear Anne, I'm so sorry to hear the sad news of your sweet Jimi Too Cool. He couldn't have wished for a better mom, that's for sure. He was one smart cat, picking you out at the bank all those years ago. Thanks for sharing with us in the midst of your tears the story of how you met. I love your description of the antics he entertained you with. He was clearly a cat with a huge personality. I hope all the fun and good memories he's given you will comfort you at this sad and difficult time. I'm glad Sophie is doing well, and Simms too. love and hugs to you and your babes, Anne, Kerry anne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear kind fellow cat lovers, Jimi Too Cool has passed over to the other side with the help of his favorite vet, Dr. Greene, at 11:30AM today. Things went pretty smoothly and Dr. Greene was very kind and sympathetic. Jimi had suffered from the side effects of feline leukemia for half of his 10 year lifetime. It started with painful stomatitis and travelled down the esophagus and beyond, making it very difficult for him to eat. In the last several months, he has gone downhill, becoming skin and bones, practically, even though he could eat well and a lot when his steroid shots kicked in. This last weekend, he became like the walking dead and cried out pitifully now and then. His eyes looked tired and sad and glazed. The tramadol that was added to his meds wasn't helping anymore, either, it seemed. I have been blessed to have my boy for so long, especially in light of his disease, so for that I am very grateful. He was a noble, silly, friendly, brave, loving, smart, quirky and beautiful boy. He has my heart. He was very much a COOL boy all his life, too, from the time I scooped him up from an ATM machine location on a busy, dangerous street, up to and including his death. At our first meeting at the bank, he just sauntered over and sat beside me calmly and resolutely and happily, making it known he was not leaving my side and that was how it stayed. Jimi liked to headbutt us often and with force. He also liked to hang upside down like a bat and he also did his camel imitation for our entertainment, making his back hump greatly, as he was a tall and solid boy with long lanky legs. He was also somewhat like a dog, following us on our heels often. Phaewry and Marylyn, thank you for your recent posts concerning Jimi. I want to answer them when I feel a bit stronger. Tamara, thank you, dear friend. Love and hugs to you, too, as always. I wanted to send the following poem along with this message because it reminded me so much of my boy, Jimi Too Cool, and helped me get through the euthanasia. Anne and Simms and Sophie and Jimi Too Cool, in spirit in my heart always A Parting Prayer Dear Lord, please open your gates and call St. Francis to come escort this beloved companion across the Rainbow Bridge. Assign him to a place of honor, for he has been a faithful friend and has always done his best to please me. Bless the hands that send him to you, for they are doing so in love and compassion, freeing him from pain and suffering. Grant me the strength not to dwell on my loss. Help me remember the details of his life with the love he has shown me. And grant me the courage to honor him by sharing those memories with others. Let him remember me as well and let him know that I will always love him. And when it's my time to pass over into your paradise, please allow him to accompany those who will bring me home. Thank you, Lord, for the gift of his companionship and for the time we've had together. And thank you, Lord, for granting me the strength to give him to you now. - (c) Brandy Duckworth, 1998 Jimi Too Cool Summer 1996 - Dec. 18th, 2006 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are
RE: Please add Jimi Too Cool to the CLS
Anne, I am so sorry to hear about your sweet boy Jimi Too Cool. It sounds like he was full of personality. I know it must be so hard for you. It is nice that you can remember all the happiness and laughter he brought into your life. Your in my prayers. Cindy --- MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Anne, I'm so sorry to hear the sad news of your sweet Jimi Too Cool. He couldn't have wished for a better mom, that's for sure. He was one smart cat, picking you out at the bank all those years ago. Thanks for sharing with us in the midst of your tears the story of how you met. I love your description of the antics he entertained you with. He was clearly a cat with a huge personality. I hope all the fun and good memories he's given you will comfort you at this sad and difficult time. I'm glad Sophie is doing well, and Simms too. love and hugs to you and your babes, Anne, Kerry anne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear kind fellow cat lovers, Jimi Too Cool has passed over to the other side with the help of his favorite vet, Dr. Greene, at 11:30AM today. Things went pretty smoothly and Dr. Greene was very kind and sympathetic. Jimi had suffered from the side effects of feline leukemia for half of his 10 year lifetime. It started with painful stomatitis and travelled down the esophagus and beyond, making it very difficult for him to eat. In the last several months, he has gone downhill, becoming skin and bones, practically, even though he could eat well and a lot when his steroid shots kicked in. This last weekend, he became like the walking dead and cried out pitifully now and then. His eyes looked tired and sad and glazed. The tramadol that was added to his meds wasn't helping anymore, either, it seemed. I have been blessed to have my boy for so long, especially in light of his disease, so for that I am very grateful. He was a noble, silly, friendly, brave, loving, smart, quirky and beautiful boy. He has my heart. He was very much a COOL boy all his life, too, from the time I scooped him up from an ATM machine location on a busy, dangerous street, up to and including his death. At our first meeting at the bank, he just sauntered over and sat beside me calmly and resolutely and happily, making it known he was not leaving my side and that was how it stayed. Jimi liked to headbutt us often and with force. He also liked to hang upside down like a bat and he also did his camel imitation for our entertainment, making his back hump greatly, as he was a tall and solid boy with long lanky legs. He was also somewhat like a dog, following us on our heels often. Phaewry and Marylyn, thank you for your recent posts concerning Jimi. I want to answer them when I feel a bit stronger. Tamara, thank you, dear friend. Love and hugs to you, too, as always. I wanted to send the following poem along with this message because it reminded me so much of my boy, Jimi Too Cool, and helped me get through the euthanasia. Anne and Simms and Sophie and Jimi Too Cool, in spirit in my heart always A Parting Prayer Dear Lord, please open your gates and call St. Francis to come escort this beloved companion across the Rainbow Bridge. Assign him to a place of honor, for he has been a faithful friend and has always done his best to please me. Bless the hands that send him to you, for they are doing so in love and compassion, freeing him from pain and suffering. Grant me the strength not to dwell on my loss. Help me remember the details of his life with the love he has shown me. And grant me the courage to honor him by sharing those memories with others. Let him remember me as well and let him know that I will always love him. And when it's my time to pass over into your paradise, please allow him to accompany those who will bring me home. Thank you, Lord, for the gift of his companionship and for the time we've had together. And thank you, Lord, for granting me the strength to give him to you now. - (c) Brandy Duckworth, 1998 Jimi Too Cool Summer 1996 - Dec. 18th, 2006 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to
Re: New Member
Welcome - so very glad you are here. Animal, Amele and Frack are very lucky to have you - may they grow strong. They know they are loved. elizabeth On 12/28/06, JoJo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, New member, just an intro post – and a long one. I will tend to lurk more then comment, unless I feel compelled to do so. I'm here to learn and to share my experience and hear about others. I've been fostering kittens for a local shelter since 2003. Up until this year I've been lucky and all kittens I've fostered have been healthy, with the exception of a few orphans that passed from failure to thrive. My home went from 3 cats to 8 (not to mention 4 dogs). This year, the very first litter of the season, I took in 7 kittens, about 5 weeks of age. Nobody is sure if they're all one big litter, or two or three litters – they were brought in from an animal control facility that has a tendency to just throw kittens into a cage. The fact they made it out of animal control – alive – is a small miracle in itself. Within the first two weeks, two died. They went down quickly. I had to force feed a few, all had URI's. When they were old/big enough to test, the shelter tested the biggest two of the remaining five (there were only two test kits left on the day I went in). Both tested negative. I assumed everyone else was negative so let my cats in to socialize with this group. They were named Ali, Frick, Frack, Animal Amele. A week or two later, the remaining three were tested. Ali came back positive. I was devastated. I started researching what I could, and from what I read decided since she was already symptomatic that I would keep her until it was time. At the time, the shelter was going through some procedural changes – all FeLV + cats were to be PTS, symptomatic or not. I conveniently hid her – everyone knew I had her, but when it was time to get her siblings fixed, she stayed home. Two weeks later, I had Ali PTS, we had just come off a round of force feedings, to only start again five days later, and she had blood coming from her rectum. She was 10 weeks old. Her siblings were all still at the shelter and wouldn't go up for adoption until after they had been retested – three months later. All had URI's and one was sneezing uncontrollably. I brought them all back home with me. After two months, Frick was not improving to my satisfaction, so I insisted on retesting. He came back positive (IFA confirmed), the other three negative. So I kept them hidden again, with no trips to the shelter, just going in to get Interferon. I did take Frick in to get him neutered (at the original date of neuter he only had one testicle descended so they wanted to wait two weeks – I waited until he was well enough). What a surprise when the vet did the surgery to find no testicles at all! I felt guilty as hell, the poor guy had a five inch incision, and I put him through all that for nothing. The entire litter was then to go to a place called In Care of Cats – they are a hospice that takes in FeLV cats. By this time I'd had the kittens for about 8 months. I asked the shelter if I could hospice foster Frick, he'd have off days, and at the time I was asking, he was on his third off day. I didn't want to send him off to die in a strange place. I came home to discover he had not eaten at all that day, it continued into the next day, he had very little energy. I took him out to the shelter that night and had him PTS. It broke my heart to do so. And right after that I had four foster kittens die from panleukopenia – good week for me. Two weeks to the day after I had Frick PTS, the shelter called to tell me it was time for the remaining three to go to the hospice. I knew the call was coming and I was dreading it. I wanted to keep them, but at the same time, finances were strained. Foster coordinator was afraid I'd have a melt down if I lost any of these three to FeLV. But I WAS losing them anyway. That night I told her they could go to the hospice. I cried so hard I was hyperventilating, and had myself so upset I could not eat the next day. I called her after lunch and told her they weren't going anywhere, and adopted them for $10 each (normal fee is $75). So I am now the proud owner (or am I owned) of three 9 month old kittens that may or may not have FeLV. I am getting them and my 8 cats (they were vaccinated for FeLV) retested in February or March. All still sneeze, Amele more then the others. We have bouts of diarrhea, which clears up with flagyl. They're all very active, although Frack is more laid back then her siblings. Animal loves water, Amele chases his tail and shadows – those two are almost always together. Animal is more of a lover then Amele, and Frack prefers to keep to herself, but she does like to chase my feet under the covers. Many people have actually THANKED me for taking in these special needs kitties. To me they aren't special needs, they
OT - Help, aggressive cat
Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat
There are others here who probably have much more useful info for you, but from hanging out on the feral_cats list, sounds to me like you may have to treat her exactly like a feral -- cage and (re)socialize. It can be done, just a case of baby steps, going slow, winning trust, patience patience patience. Bless you for taking her in. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:14 AM To: felvtalk Subject: OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
*I agree with Diane... but you might also try Feliway or Comfortzone in the bathroom with her. I have had success with both of those products. You can also try Rescue Remedy in her water. We take in feral cats, and my advice would be to go in the bathroom with her... sit on the floor (get down to her level) and take baby food or treats to offer. Talk softly and just spend time letting her get used to you. Don't make any quick moves, and don't force her to come to you... just keep a very calm state of mind when you're in there and try not to make a lot of eye contact with her. It will take time, so don't expect her to come to you on the first trip in... She's scared right now, and that could take a while to overcome. * *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/29/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
I will try, but she's not in the floor. She's in the sink, and ferociously defending her new territory. I had to brush my teeth at the bathroom sink:) On 12/29/06, Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *I agree with Diane... but you might also try Feliway or Comfortzone in the bathroom with her. I have had success with both of those products. You can also try Rescue Remedy in her water. We take in feral cats, and my advice would be to go in the bathroom with her... sit on the floor (get down to her level) and take baby food or treats to offer. Talk softly and just spend time letting her get used to you. Don't make any quick moves, and don't force her to come to you... just keep a very calm state of mind when you're in there and try not to make a lot of eye contact with her. It will take time, so don't expect her to come to you on the first trip in... She's scared right now, and that could take a while to overcome. * *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/29/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
I use Feliway spray and Rescue Remedy with the ferals I have worked with. They work wonders on distraught cats of any kind. Spray the room she is in with the Feliway and maybe some concentrated catnip and put RR in her water (you may want to take some too). Remember the cat is very confused and frightened. She has been removed from her person and placed in a strange home with strange cats and... She may not act like this when she realizes she is safe. Also let the cat see you when you put out food. Try not to free feed her. She needs to associate you with food and with treats. This will work out. You just have to be extremely patient. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
New thought: Leave a piece of your clothing (old please) where she can get used to the smell. A well used wash cloth or towel would work. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
I definitely recommend the feliway, rescue remedy and giving her a place to hide where she will feel safe. I've had some success in the past giving a very agressive cat 1/2 of a 25mg benedryl...my vet at the time told me to do that. Wasn't easy getting it down her but it did a lot to calm her down. elizabeth On 12/29/06, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New thought: Leave a piece of your clothing (old please) where she can get used to the smell. A well used wash cloth or towel would work. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2006 11:14 AM *Subject:* OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
I haven't had any experience with an aggressive cat but I think it is so wonderful that you took her. Maybe her aggression is from being scared and in a new place. Poor baby. I am sure she is probably scared when she has been taken to the vet so maybe that is why their paperwork says she is aggressive. I know my Tabby Cat and Nicholas are so sweet at home but at the vet's office they turn into these cats I have never seen before. Especially Tabby Cat the vet has will bite on her chart. She doesn't show that behavior at home. I hope things get better for you and the new kitty. Cindy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Marley
Hi all,I know I haven't posted in a while,which for me would be a good thing cause it is usually bad news.Well I just need to ask all of you to send out prayers for beautiful sweet (crying while writing this)marley.He is having a bad time right now and is getting fluids and is at Dr. Jens house.Well I feel really bad cause I had noticed on Monday that he was not quite himself and didn't let Jen know.Sometimes these guys have off days and are fine the next.Well last night when I got there he was the first one that I looked for to check on him and he just was not right.We had to cut packed poo off his butt and he was just a mess.I would feel just aweful if we lost him because I didn't notify her sooner.If I was there everyday I definitly would have been on top of it.I guess I should have called to check on him.So please add him to your prayers he is one of my most fav boys at Sids.He has long black silky hair and is the most gentle loving babies ever.Thank you all so much.Sorry for rambling Sherry __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Marley
GLOW for sweet marley. On 12/29/06, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all,I know I haven't posted in a while,which for me would be a good thing cause it is usually bad news.Well I just need to ask all of you to send out prayers for beautiful sweet (crying while writing this)marley.He is having a bad time right now and is getting fluids and is at Dr. Jens house.Well I feel really bad cause I had noticed on Monday that he was not quite himself and didn't let Jen know.Sometimes these guys have off days and are fine the next.Well last night when I got there he was the first one that I looked for to check on him and he just was not right.We had to cut packed poo off his butt and he was just a mess.I would feel just aweful if we lost him because I didn't notify her sooner.If I was there everyday I definitly would have been on top of it.I guess I should have called to check on him.So please add him to your prayers he is one of my most fav boys at Sids.He has long black silky hair and is the most gentle loving babies ever.Thank you all so much.Sorry for rambling Sherry __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Marley
strength and calm are going out to both of you - thank you for caring for those babies as you do - they need all the lovin' they can get Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:51:11 PM Subject: Marley Hi all,I know I haven't posted in a while,which for me would be a good thing cause it is usually bad news.Well I just need to ask all of you to send out prayers for beautiful sweet (crying while writing this)marley.He is having a bad time right now and is getting fluids and is at Dr. Jens house.Well I feel really bad cause I had noticed on Monday that he was not quite himself and didn't let Jen know.Sometimes these guys have off days and are fine the next.Well last night when I got there he was the first one that I looked for to check on him and he just was not right.We had to cut packed poo off his butt and he was just a mess.I would feel just aweful if we lost him because I didn't notify her sooner.If I was there everyday I definitly would have been on top of it.I guess I should have called to check on him.So please add him to your prayers he is one of my most fav boys at Sids.He has long black silky hair and is the most gentle loving babies ever.Thank you all so much.Sorry for rambling Sherry __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Tiny
Sally, there's no specific question in your post to be answered, that's why I didn't reply to it the first time it was posted (there's actually not a single question mark in the entire post). What is it you are specifically wanting to know or get feedback on? I'll take a stab at it anyways: I'm glad comcast fixed your internet problems. Yes, cats do choose us, certainly much more than we choose them. I do think that focusing on Junior should be a priority, but don't forget to watch everybody. It's easy to get tunnel-vision and focus on the ONE cat we think is weaker one, and miss something in another cat because we narrowed our focus. The low-dose interferon they use for FIV is the same treatment as is used for FELV, and that's posted on our main website at http://felineleukemia.org on the treatments page. I'm sorry you can't afford your old vet anymore, perhaps pointing out that fact would be beneficial to both of you; you may get a discount as an original client, and he might feel humbled enough to realize that he's alienating his old clients by his new found glory. My FELV+ cat was constantly groomed by another of my cats, and he NEVER caught the FELV from her, so just because they lick and bite each other doesn't mean they will contaminate each other with FELV. As far as your cats' previous felv vaccinations, health, and history goes, it certainly wouldn't hurt to have them all tested again, that way you could treat the felv and/or fiv positive ones with Interferon and keep an extra-close eye on them. I do think you should be treating the FELV+ ones that you already know about, if you aren't already. I'm sure Daisy just happens to have a really good immune system, and is healthy. I don't think it's a mystery, she's just been lucky and blessed with a good immune system. You can boost the other's immune systems by feeding good quality food, and supplementing with vitamin C and a good general multi-vitamin/mineral supplement (and giving Interferon to the FELV+ ones). Oh, and I'm sorry for your loss of Lionel and Pumpkin too! Is that kinda what you were looking for? Phaewryn Comcast came into the neighborhood and fixed whatever the problem was with the connection here. I was barely about to get a couple of emails out. For the past couple days I have cried, and reflected on my time with Tiny. Tiny was definitely my cat or more realistically I was his human. He chose me and that was very special. I am so glad he came to live with me. I will always wonder if I did this or that would the outcome have been different. Probably not and besides I cannot change what has happened. I now have to focus on Junior. I spoke to Beth at work today. She used to be a vet's tech. Her cat was diagnosed FIV. Well she was prepared to euthanize the cat. He was elderly however the vet knowing she did not want to do this tried an experimental procedure. I never could find out what it was other than it was interferon. Today her husband stopped by and described the procedure. It was low dose oral administration of interferon. She said the cat became almost kitten-like and asymptomatic. The cat later developed oral cancer and was put down, he was 18 years old. Now that I have this information, I will have my vet Dr Staunton call her vet Dr Elam to get the information. I already gave Dr Staunton the Italian study paper to read. I was told she took it home that day to read. Dr Elam used to be my family's vet for many years. I cannot afford him these days as he is the highest priced vet in town. It is funny, because he started out as a farm animal vet and was very reasonable. I still see him occasionally in the grocery store. I am thankful I was able to spend time with Tiny during his last hour here on earth. When I lost my Fluff Last February, I was able to spend time with him because I had a few days of vacation I had to use up. I knew Fluffy was declining and I was so lucky then to have spent his last week on earth with him. I did not know at the time that would be the end for him. He was the alpha cat and he trained all my cats on proper cat behavior. Although Ittle Bitty was Tiny's best friend and he trained Tiny in the art of lick and bite. Fluffy had trained Ittle Bitty.and so it goes. Just an observation. I have heard that older cats most likely have some immunity to FeLV. I also have read vaccines are most likely effective longer than stated. he is what I know about my cats. Spike age 10 tested negative - likely to have been vaccinated once for FELV and other diseases Speedy age 8 tested negative- likely to have been vaccinated once for FELV and other diseases Ittle Bitty age 7 tested negative -likely to have been vaccinated once for FELV and other diseases Little Black - age 5 she is not social at all with the other cats she is strictly outside and eats on her own. Grey and white- age 4 same mom as Junior, from a different litter.. also had less interaction with the sick cats this summer the exposure was
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vtlink%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one. She didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did. So Charlotte was clearly tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could do at this point). Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol. On 12/29/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vtlink%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat
In the area of eye contact, I learned this on feral_cats: the slow blink. Like narrowed eyes, this is a sign of friendship if you can do it with some subtlety. Blink very slowly, make very brief eye contact, blink again and this time look slightly away from her, blink again and make brief eye contact. For some reason the averted gaze part connects with a lot of cats. Oh, and another thing is to make sure the food comes and goes with you. Don't leave it even if she doesn't eat while you're there. You=food, and food=good, so therefore, eventually, you=good. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vt link%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0 QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Poor Charlotte. Her exmommy should have insisted on Claritin Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one. She didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did. So Charlotte was clearly tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could do at this point). Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol. On 12/29/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vt link%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0 QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Poor thing, her name is Caroline. I was thinking of Charlottes web... She had two cats, but found a home for the other. So Caroline is in a strange place, without her kitty friend. On 12/29/06, Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poor Charlotte. Her exmommy should have insisted on Claritin Diane R. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2006 4:17 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one. She didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did. So Charlotte was clearly tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could do at this point). Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol. On 12/29/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vtlink%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
I wouldn't take it too personally. She probably knew the friend already, where you are a total stranger. Up til now, her entire life experience with strangers has likely been limited to vets and vet techs, none of which do anything even remotely nice to her (in her opinion). She probably knows she has been replaced by this man as well, and is going through at least a little self-doubt as to her self-worth. It's hard to be considered trash and not be at least a little hurt and defensive about it. Give her time and patience, and realize that if you continually show her love, she may eventually begin to show it back to you. Phaewryn Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one. She didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did. So Charlotte was clearly tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could do at this point). Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol.
RE: Tiny passed
HI Michelle, You could be right. I went to the archives and I see your name a lot regarding lymphomas. I have one more FELV pos cat. The thing with Tiny is that he did not have any symptoms that alarmed me. I know the vet had examined both cats a few weeks before this. Junior had a URI at that time and had had it for two weeks. He also had uveitis. Tiny other than the URI he had last summer had not appeared sick at all. He was vaccinated at that time. I observed no ill effects for that either. Both cats have been on immunoregulin. My question is what am I looking for??? I have a picture of Tiny taken a few days before he died. He does appear to have aged. He was still eating and had normal bowel movements. He also still played up until the final day. Was he just protecting me from his pain? I am asking you for your experiences with lymphoma. Someone also suggested Tiny had lived a long time. Oh course he was only tested recently. I can tell you he did have coughing spells all his life. I assumed allergies or later though it may be asthma. They always passed quick so there was never a reason to get him looked at for that. His URI this summer had him coughing so hard he would fall over. He did that also the day he died. The antibiotics did clear up his summer URI. He was no tested until I lost Pumpkin a couple month later. That was when junior was not doing well he had been to the vet and found anemic. I took him back after losing Pumpkin and they tested him then because of anemia and high fever. I would have never known Tiny was positive had this not happened. I would have just wondered why he died. Also Tiny's test was a weak positive, so I really was hoping he would turn it around. Do you think he was positive for a lot longer than I knew? I am sorry for too many questions. I just don't want to make any mistakes that will hurt my kitties in the future. Sally _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Tiny passed Sally, I am so sorry. Perhaps he had mediastinal lymphoma. Michelle In a message dated 12/25/2006 6:40:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am so sorry to tell everyone that Tiny just passed over. He had a seemingly benign URI. Not really showing symptoms of being in distress. He seemed worse today, but not life threatening. Five minutes ago he started choking I tried to hold him nothing would help. He was turning blue. Before I could get oxygen to him he was gone. I so did not expect this like this. He was the healthier one of my two FelV babies. This has been one horrible year. Sally
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
An old story to many on the list but one that may help: The Royal Princess Kitty Katt knew me most of her life. She had decided to live with my parents after a few months of living feral. Unfortunately I was the one who took her to the vet's, cut her nails etc. But she knew me and liked me sort of part of the time. My father died and, until then, he was her favorite person. It was just Kitty and Mom for a number of years. Then Mom decided she could not take care of Kitty and sent her to me to live the rest of her life. Kitty was ballistic. Her job was taking care of Mom and she was moved to a city from the country, to a house that was considerably different in terms of neighbors, heating, air conditioning, street noises ...you name it, it was different. Including a working person as opposed to a person who stayed home with her all the time. Talk about major trauma. I spent 3 months sleeping on the floor near the couch she hid under. Gradually she came out and finally slept with me on the floor. Life did get a lot better. This was a perfectly tame, wonderful little calico cat who was moved to someone she knew and who had access to an animal communicator. Caroline has been thrown out of a home and given to someone who is a total unknown with unknown everything that goes with it. If you have access to an animal communicator, you might ask her to reassure Caroline. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Poor thing, her name is Caroline. I was thinking of Charlottes web... She had two cats, but found a home for the other. So Caroline is in a strange place, without her kitty friend. On 12/29/06, Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poor Charlotte. Her exmommy should have insisted on Claritin Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one. She didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did. So Charlotte was clearly tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could do at this point). Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol. On 12/29/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vtlink%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org
strange bald spot
Hello, I noticed today that Tsunade has a strange bald spot on her back, in between her shoulders. i suppose she could have scratched it or rubbed up against something. Any thoughts on this, should I be worried?? She does not have fleas, I doubt it would be mites, it is cold 30-60 degrees F and last time she went to the vet the vet said her fur looked fine. thanks Chelsea
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Oh.h.h. yeaa - sounds very familiar. I'd give her some time to herself for a few days, and see how she reacts to a little tasty canned food after that. I've had the NICEST cats start out quite aggressive, because they didn't like the new and different surroundings, don't like leaving their homes, watching their stuff being packed up, etc. When I got C.J., he was really scarey. But he turned into such a sweetheart. Same with Katie. Have had others do that too. I'd say - it's not time to worry yet. Gloria On Dec 29, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: sorry
It's my belief that one single vaccination provides immunity for life. However, I am in the minority there. That being said, none of my cats have contracted any contagious viruses or diseases either. The interferon certainly would not hurt the eye, but I'm not sure if it would help either. I've been lucky in that I've never had a cat with uveitis. Others on the list have though, so you should ask that question on the list (and thus I have copied this reply back to the list). I have had a cat with herpesvirus (which also effects the eye) and I do know good treatments for that, but they probably wouldn't be the same for uveitis. Here is a good webpage that may help though: http://www.animaleyecare.net/diseases/uveitis.htm Here's one that lists several eye issues, uveitis being fairly far down the page: http://sacs.vetmed.ufl.edu/Ophtho/Feline/Feline.htm It appears from what I've read that uveitis can be caused by FELV in some way (though the exact pathology is not given), so in theory, if you treat the FELV to improve the immune system, then it SHOULD improve the uveitis systematically. So, it's possible that the Interferon could help, but it would be indirectly. Oh wow, I did another search and turned this up, which is VERY interesting (note that part is CANINE, scroll down to FELINE section): http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00526.htm This states (see the bold parts in particular, if you get this in rich or html email format): Etiologies And Syndromes Associated With Feline Uveitis Viral Feline Infectious Peritonitis (FIP) - This disease is caused by a coronavirus that more often affects young animals. The ocular lesion that it causes is pyogranulomatous inflammation of the uveal tract with necrotizing vasculitis. Both the anterior and posterior uvea may be affected, but the anterior lesions are more visible, clinically. Signs seen are aqueous flare, hypopyon, fibrin, and keratic precipitates. Corneal edema may also be seen, which is proportionate to the degree of inflammation. Posteriorly, there is pyogranulomatous chorioretinitis and retinal vasculitis, manifesting as retinal detachment due to choroidal exudation, as well as optic neuritis and perivascular exudates. Histologically, there may be lymphocytes, plasma cells, monocytes, leukocytes and macrophages in varying numbers. Feline Immunodeficiency virus (FIV) - FIV is a lentivirus, causing a persistent immunodeficiency. Ocular lesions seen most commonly with FIV infection are aqueous flare, iridal hyperemia, posterior synechiae, and cataracts. Also, white punctate, cellular infiltrates may be seen in the anterior vitreous. Histologically, there may be a lymphocytic-plasmacytic perivascular uveal infiltrate. Fungal Histoplasmosis - The organism responsible is Histoplasma capsulatum which is indigenous to the midwestern and southern US. The organism gains access to the body via the respiratory tract, causing nonclinical infections. The organism then gets into the systemic circulation, crossing the blood-ocular barrier. Ocular lesions noted are aqueous flare and inflammatory cells in the aqueous humor, granulomatous chorioretinitis and optic neuritis. Histologically, inflammatory infiltrates consist of lymphocytes, plasma cells, and macrophages. Blastomycosis - This is a very rare condition in cats, as compared to dogs. It occurs mainly in the eastern US by the organism, B. dermatitidis. Like Histoplasma, it gains entry into the body via the respiratory tract, and then, eventually, entering the systemic circulation, and crossing the blood-ocular barrier. The main lesion is a granulomatous chorioretinitis. Histologically, there is pyogranulomatous inflammation with large numbers of organisms in the choroid and subretinal space, consisting of macrophages, neutrophils, and lymphocytes. Cryptococcosis - This is the most common infectious mycoses of cats, although it is still rather rare. Again, it enters the body through the respiratory system. The choroid is mainly affected, but the anterior segmen t may become inflamed as well. Clinical signs of the anterior chamber include hyphema, fibrin, and posterior synechiae formation. Organisms are rarely seen in the anterior chamber. Posterior signs include choroidal inflammation with secondary exudative retinal detachment and subretinal granuloma formation. Histologic evaluations show lymphocytic-plasmacytic infiltrates in the uveal tissue with Cryptococcal organisms in the choroid, subretinal spaces and vitreous cavity. Coccidioidomycosis - This is the least common intraocular fungal infection of cats. Clinical signs include fibrin in the anterior chamber, iridal swelling, posterior synechiae and small, cotton-like masses located in the anterior chamber. Histology shows diffuse granulomatous inflammation of the anterior and posterior uvea, with organisms possibly seen in the inflammatory tissue. Candidiasis - Candida albicans is the organism that causes
Re: strange bald spot
Have you ever used any top-spot flea drops on her at that location? Has she had any vaccines, shots, or microchips at that location? It's probably nothing, but ofcourse, once you rule out a reaction to either a chemical or trauma from a cut, poke or abrasion, that leaves the possibility of ringworm. You would need to have your vet look at it under a special light and take a skin scraping to know for sure. Tang has a bald spot over his microchip, it never grows hair, plus it bothers him. Thus, none of my cats will ever have microchips. My vet says it's not anything to worry about, so I don't, but I do sometimes forget and rub my hand down his side and if I touch it he gets irritated with me. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vtlink%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
OT: Cats know your sentiments better than you think....
I had a stack of bills in here...was getting ready to pay them. Shakiti knocked the bills onto the floor and proceeded to pee all over them. What a good boy! :-/ Bills stink. elizabeth
RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Well quite by accident I did fall into a way to help socialize my Romeo-he knew me from my feeding him in a small colony but was NOT happy at being brought in. Because I had to separate him initially from my brood, I set him up in my bedroom. There's an outer door to the bedroom and the bath inside my bedroom area also has its own door. Initially, I put him in the bathroom but I worried that his howling would disturb my neighbors (I live in apt). So out of necessity, I got a big dog kennel (wire one) from a friend an set him up on top of some boxes in my bedroom-This way, I wouldn't ever tower over him and he could see everything at eye level. I put his litter box and food dishes in there as well as a towel so that he'd be comfortable. Then I covered all but one side with a sheet. The kennel had a 'shelf' in it so that at least when I went in to clean the box, he could jump up on the shelf. He'd sort of retreat to the box when I would change his food water. Well, my computer is in my bedroom and I soon realized that as I sat there working, he'd be peeking out at me. If I looked at him, he sort of ran and hid. So whenever I was going to stay in the room, I'd make sure he was able to see me at all times. When I wasn't in, I left one side of the sheet open. Anyway, as the days went on, he sort of got used to seeing me, got used to the radio, the TV, the vacumn cleaner, etc-all those strange inside noises. He was safe inside his kennel so he'd just watch. After about a week, I opened his kennel door and realized that when I wasn't around, he'd sort of peek around so I started putting his food dishes at the bottom of the boxes he'd jump out to eat and then quickly jump back up to get in his box. Then after another week, I put his litter box in the bathroom and switched him to a much smaller kennel where he could sleep but without his food or litter. Getting him in there was a trick-had to put the door of the big kennel against the door of the small kennel and sort of slide him in there! Once I got him in the little kennel, I showed him where the litter box was by bringing the kennel in the bathroom. Then I brought him back on top of the boxes in the bedroom. He'd wait til I was out of the room or until he thought I was asleep then sneak around the corner into the box. We went that way for about 2 weeks. He got braver and braver even with me in the room but would always jump back up to his kennel if he got scared. Then about a month after I brought him in, I was sitting at my computer and saw that he had jumped on my bed and was making himself comfortable. Of course, the minute I leaned over the monitor to look, he hopped back into his kennel but I knew it was all going to be fine-he had found the creature comforts of inside living! I left the kennel up for another couple of weeks but by then my other cats were visiting and I got rid of it when I realized they were spending more time in it than he was! Soo, I think that by accident I sort of did 'immersion' socialization. He could see everything-hear everything-and still be safe. Once he realized nothing terrible was going to happen and that beds are really pretty neat, he was fine. He's turned into the biggest mush in the world. He'll let me do anything to him but pick him up-ane we're working on that! Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:14 PM To: felvtalk Subject: OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
RE: Cats know your sentiments better than you think....
Lmao Sally _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: Cats know your sentiments better than you think I had a stack of bills in here...was getting ready to pay them. Shakiti knocked the bills onto the floor and proceeded to pee all over them. What a good boy! :-/ Bills stink. elizabeth
Re: Cats know your sentiments better than you think....
LOL! Mine usually EAT the bills, or shred them; they save their pee for GOOD things, like the occasional dirty shirt that finds it's way to the floor, or anyone's house slipper. Phaewryn
Re: Sorry
I am probably getting in on the tail end of this, but I did see anterior uveitis mentioned.. Bandy had this..If you will go check, the treatment that Bandy did worked...I talked to his eye specialist as recent as last Fri. as Bandy was to get check-up for eyes 1st of Jan..His spec was very pleased with his progress.. Back when I first took him...they did a toxo test...sent it off to Univ. of Colo..instead of Texas A and M..to check for that..Bandy was negative on that so we continued on with the treatment and it worked... We did frequently check for ulcers on the eye surface as the steroids will irritate that alot and you can't use them while an ulcer is present... I tell you one thing though...Bandy regained his sight after treatment was started. He would have remained on those drops the rest of his life anyway, but we went from 4 drops per eye a day to 1 drop every 3 or 4 days...A remarkable improvement... Please check the archives for Bandy's treatment and I hope this will help.. you must have regular glaucoma check ups though for rest of pets life..as the steroids can cause this with long term use... Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Marley
Keeping sweet Marley in my prayers. Gina Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all,I know I haven't posted in a while,which for me would be a good thing cause it is usually bad news.Well I just need to ask all of you to send out prayers for beautiful sweet (crying while writing this)marley.He is having a bad time right now and is getting fluids and is at Dr. Jens house.Well I feel really bad cause I had noticed on Monday that he was not quite himself and didn't let Jen know.Sometimes these guys have off days and are fine the next.Well last night when I got there he was the first one that I looked for to check on him and he just was not right.We had to cut packed poo off his butt and he was just a mess.I would feel just aweful if we lost him because I didn't notify her sooner.If I was there everyday I definitly would have been on top of it.I guess I should have called to check on him.So please add him to your prayers he is one of my most fav boys at Sids.He has long black silky hair and is the most gentle loving babies ever.Thank you all so much.Sorry for rambling Sherry __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Visit my Tigger Tales site! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: strange bald spot
Keep a close eye on the spot. Dixie had two that I had cultured, luckily, that were infected with bacteria that were not sensitive to the normal broad spectrum antibiotics. They came about in a matter of a couple of days. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: strange bald spot Hello, I noticed today that Tsunade has a strange bald spot on her back, in between her shoulders. i suppose she could have scratched it or rubbed up against something. Any thoughts on this, should I be worried?? She does not have fleas, I doubt it would be mites, it is cold 30-60 degrees F and last time she went to the vet the vet said her fur looked fine. thanks Chelsea
