Sammy's fever is 106!
Well, Sammy went back to the Nice Ladies at Animal 911 because when I took his temperature this evening it was 106. He had been hiding yesterday morning and then staying in my mom's room and not following me and/or his brothers around all day. So he's staying the night and I'll pick him up for another blood transfusion at Animal Emergency in 5-1/2 hours. I just got home from Animal 911. Little one needs prayers. Nitie Nite, Tee Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation.
Power of interferon: OT
Hi, I just want to let everyone know how impressd I am with how effective interferon works for URIs that is caused by virurs. I have been using feline interferon for many things (felk, FIP, FIV treatment) for the past year or two. Additionally, whenever my kitties have severe or mild URIs, I started using feline interferon right away mainly because I don't want it to develop something more serious like FIP as I noticed that many times, URIs are one of the very first signs I saw in my FIP cases. Anyway, my 5 year old Frankie had developed chronic URIs ever since he received 3 combo vaccinations when he was about 6 months old. anyway, since yesterday, he had developed very severe URIs - green and thick discharge from his nose which would not stop running. He did not act ill fortunately.. but looking at it, I got very scared that reminded me how my Simba who had passed away from FIP a couple of months ago started his symptoms. but anyway, I gave him two shots of interferon yesterday and today, and by tonight,, his nose seems to be s clear, which is amazing. I just wanted to let everyone know in case you may have a simiar situation in the future. good nite, Hideyo
NEW vaccination protocols announced today
This information was released today. Because yearly vaccinations are the primary source of income for many veterinarian practices, and because pharmaceutical companies have lobbied against this protocol, this has been a long time coming. This version is a compromise, but nevertheless the danger of over vaccination and of many vaccines is beginning to be acknowledged. There are many vets who, prior to this protocol, do not vaccinate for Feline Leukemia because of ineffective results and sometimes lethal consequences. Jane Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being adopted by ALL 27 North American veterinary schools. I highly recommend that you read this. Copy and save it to your files. Print it and pass it out at dog fairs, cat shows, kennel club meetings, dog parks, give a copy to your veterinarian and groomer, etc. Get the word out. VACCINATION NEWS FLASH I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an ethical economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics. Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs. those concerned about potential side effects. Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic well being should not be a factor in medical decision. NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine Distemper, Parvo, Feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine, and there is little or no effect. The titer is not boosted nor are more memory cells induced. Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions, and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines. Puppies receive antibodies through their mothers milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine, and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 mo) will provide Lifetime immunity. CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOGS Distemper Parvo According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA, 8-15-95, when a vaccinations series given at 2, 3 4 months and again at 1 year with a MLV, puppies and kitten program memory cells that survive for life, providing lifelong immunity. Dr. Carmichael at Cornell and Dr. Schultz have studies showing immunity against challenge at 2-10 years for canine distemper 4 years for parvovirus. Studies for longer duration are pending. There are no new strains of parvovirus as one mfg. would like to suggest. Parvovirus vaccination provides cross immunity for all types. Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one of the agents known to be a cause of kennel cough. Only vaccines with CAV-2 should be used as CAV-1 vaccines carry the risk of hepatitis blue-eye reactions kidney damage. Bordetella Parainfluenza: Commonly called Kennel cough Recommended only for those dogs boarded, groomed, taken to dog shows, or for any reason housed where exposed to a lot of dogs. The intranasal vaccine provides more complete and more rapid onset of immunity with less chance of reaction. Immunity requires 72 hours, and does not protect from every cause of kennel cough. Immunity is of short duration (4 to 6 months). RABIES There have been no reported cases of rabid dogs or cats in Harris, Montogomery or Ft. Bend Counties [Texas], there have been rabid skunks and bats so the potential exists. It is a killed vaccine and must be given every year. Lyme disease is a tick born disease which can cause lameness, kidney failure and heart disease in dogs. Ticks can also transmit the disease to humans. The original Ft. Dodge killed bacteria has proven to be the most effective vaccine. Lyme disease prevention should emphasize early removal of ticks. Amitraz collars are more effective than Top Spot, as amitraz paralyzes the tick's mouth parts preventing transmission of disease. VACCINATIONS NOT RECOMMENDED Multiple components in vaccines compete with each other for the immune system, and result in lesser immunity for each
more information on vaccines
http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/about%20the%20RCF.html The challenge is based on the need to understand exactly how long immunity lasts once a rabies vaccine is give - the old data which is three or one year is actually a result of the original test subjects being put down rather then allowed to live out their life span with re-testing to see if the vaccine was still effective over time. Hopefully the challenge will shed light on that question. It would seem very promising since if a person or pet is immune to something they can[t be made more immune as the message from Dr. Dodds stated - the booster will only be negated by the antibodies from first initial shot - Re-vaccinating when it is not necessary introduces many adjuvants, preservatives etc necessary to keep the vaccine material viable into the pet - which may have unknown health consequences of their own. A few of these are - adjuvants Aluminium Squalene Freund's (FCA) MF59 preservatives: Alcohols Glycerine Neomycin 2-phenoxyethanol (2-PE) Streptomycin Polymyxin B Mercury Formaldehyde Stabiliser/solvent: Tween 80 there's more of course, monkey cells human cells etc - http://www.dogs4sale.com.au/Notice_Board_Dogs_World_UK.htm and has permission to cross post at the top of the letter) Please feel free to cross post far and wide: Dear Editor We, the undersigned, would like to bring to your attention our concerns in the light of recent new evidence regarding vaccination protocol. The American Veterinary Medical Association Committee report this year states that 'the one year revaccination recommendation frequently found on many vaccination labels is based on historical precedent, not scientific data'. In JAVMA in 1995, Smith notes that 'there is evidence that some vaccines provide immunity beyond one year. In fact, according to research there is no proof that many of the yearly vaccinations are necessary and that protection in many instances may be life long'; also, 'Vaccination is a potent medical procedure with both benefits and risks for the patient'; further that, 'Revaccination of patients with sufficient immunity does not add measurably to their disease resistance, and may increase their risk of adverse post-vaccination events.' Finally, he states that: 'Adverse events may be associated with the antigen, adjuvant, carrier, preservative or combination thereof. Possible adverse events include failure to immunise, anaphylaxis, immunosuppression, autoimmune disorders, transient infections and/or long-term infected carrier states.' The report of the American Animal Hospital Association Canine Vaccine Taskforce in JAAHA (39 March/April 2003) is also interesting reading: 'Current knowledge supports the statement that no vaccine is always safe, no vaccine is always protective and no vaccine is always indicated'; 'Misunderstanding, misinformation and the conservative nature of our profession have largely slowed adoption of protocols advocating decreased frequency of vaccination'; 'Immunological memory provides durations of immunity for core infectious diseases that far exceed the traditional recommendations for annual vaccination. This is supported by a growing body of veterinary information as well as well-developed epidemiological vigilance in human medicine that indicates immunity induced by vaccination is extremely long lasting and, in .most cases, lifelong.' Further, the evidence shows that the duration of immunity for rabies vaccine, canine distemper vaccine, canine parvovirus vaccine, feline panleukopaenia vaccine, feline rhinotracheitis and feline calicivurus have all been demonstrated to be a minimum of seven years, by serology for rabies and challenge studies for all others. The veterinary surgeons below fully accept that no single achievement has had greater impact on the lives and well-being of our patients, our clients and our ability to prevent infectious diseases than the developments in annual vaccines. We, however, fully support the recommendations and guidelines of the American Animal Hospitals Association Taskforce, to reduce vaccine protocols for dogs and cats such that booster vaccinations are only given every three years, and only for core vaccines unless otherwise scientifically justified. We further suggest that the evidence currently available will soon lead to the following facts being accepted: * The immune systems of dogs and cats mature fully at six months and any modified live virus (MLV) vaccine given after that age produces immunity that is good for the life of that pet. * If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens from the subsequent so there is little or no effect; the pet is not 'boosted', nor are more memory cells induced. * Not only are annual
RE: more information on vaccines
This is a bit confusing--look at this site in which Dr. Dodds disavows this post... http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/DODDS-CHG-VACC-PROTOCOLS.HTM Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: more information on vaccines http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/about%20the%20RCF.html The challenge is based on the need to understand exactly how long immunity lasts once a rabies vaccine is give - the old data which is three or one year is actually a result of the original test subjects being put down rather then allowed to live out their life span with re-testing to see if the vaccine was still effective over time. Hopefully the challenge will shed light on that question.
Re: NEW vaccination protocols announced today
A good information, Jane, I will cross post it. - Original Message - From: Jane Lyonsmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:56 PM Subject: NEW vaccination protocols announced today This information was released today. Because yearly vaccinations are the primary source of income for many veterinarian practices, and because pharmaceutical companies have lobbied against this protocol, this has been a long time coming. This version is a compromise, but nevertheless the danger of over vaccination and of many vaccines is beginning to be acknowledged. There are many vets who, prior to this protocol, do not vaccinate for Feline Leukemia because of ineffective results and sometimes lethal consequences. Jane Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being adopted by ALL 27 North American veterinary schools. I highly recommend that you read this. Copy and save it to your files. Print it and pass it out at dog fairs, cat shows, kennel club meetings, dog parks, give a copy to your veterinarian and groomer, etc. Get the word out. VACCINATION NEWS FLASH I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an ethical economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics. Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs. those concerned about potential side effects. Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic well being should not be a factor in medical decision. NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine Distemper, Parvo, Feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine, and there is little or no effect. The titer is not boosted nor are more memory cells induced. Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions, and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines. Puppies receive antibodies through their mothers milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine, and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 mo) will provide Lifetime immunity. CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOGS Distemper Parvo According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA, 8-15-95, when a vaccinations series given at 2, 3 4 months and again at 1 year with a MLV, puppies and kitten program memory cells that survive for life, providing lifelong immunity. Dr. Carmichael at Cornell and Dr. Schultz have studies showing immunity against challenge at 2-10 years for canine distemper 4 years for parvovirus. Studies for longer duration are pending. There are no new strains of parvovirus as one mfg. would like to suggest. Parvovirus vaccination provides cross immunity for all types. Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one of the agents known to be a cause of kennel cough. Only vaccines with CAV-2 should be used as CAV-1 vaccines carry the risk of hepatitis blue-eye reactions kidney damage. Bordetella Parainfluenza: Commonly called Kennel cough Recommended only for those dogs boarded, groomed, taken to dog shows, or for any reason housed where exposed to a lot of dogs. The intranasal vaccine provides more complete and more rapid onset of immunity with less chance of reaction. Immunity requires 72 hours, and does not protect from every cause of kennel cough. Immunity is of short duration (4 to 6 months). RABIES There have been no reported cases of rabid dogs or cats in Harris, Montogomery or Ft. Bend Counties [Texas], there have been rabid skunks and bats so the potential exists. It is a killed vaccine and must be given every year. Lyme disease is a tick born disease which can cause lameness,
FIV infected kittes
Hello Group, I just saw that someone was asking for help with an fiv tested kitten. The following is a post I archived from a trusted list member, (MC) about this subject: there is essentially no such thing as an FIV positive kittens. maternal transmission is incredibly rare, and is still not even considered a normal mode of infection. kittens with an infected mom will test positive until mom's antibodies are out of her system--between 6-10 months. no sanctuary or rescue that specializes in FIV cats will take a cat without a positive western blot test, as the snap test is only about 60% accurate. a western blot given before a kitten is old enough for mom's immunities to have worn off WILL test positive, but it won't mean anything. i would NEVER vaccinate a cat against FIV--if the cat ever gets out and into the shelter system, he will test positve (not maybe, DEFINITELY), and unless he's microchipped and someone actually checks his record to see he's been vaccinated, his chances of living long enough to be found by you is slim to none. almost all FIV is spread via DEEP, PENETRATING WOUNDS--the sort that boy cats inflict while fighting over girls. that's why a high percentage of FIV cats are boys, with those girls who have it probably getting it during rough sex. once neutered, almost all male cats lose any desire to be that aggressive. in cases where a tom DOES remain aggressive, filing down or even removing the canine teeth makes it impossible for him to bite deeply enough to pass on the virus. most FIV cats, once neutered, seem to turn into very healthy, very large, very lazy, very cuddly couch potatoes. at the sanctuary where i worked, many FIV cats ended up becoming forever cats of the volunteers, because they were just such sweethearts. i have two FIVs in my household right now, a timid flamepoint himmie who must have gotten out and been attacked cuz there's NO way he would have initiated an argument on his own, and an adolescent coonie. FIV cats tend to be very healthy--they have a higher incidence of herpes infections (easily kept in check with the addition of lysine), and a tendency toward other mouth problems. they get sick just like normal cats, and they get better when treated in a timely manner, just like normal cats! as one of my vets puts it, FIV cats die WITH the virus, not from it. it is TOTALLY different from FeLV in how it's spread, and how it manifests itself. (well, after 18 years, the sanctuary director thinks that being fat and lazy and cuddly are the only consistent symptoms of FIV.) here are two of the better articles on FIV: http://www.afa.arlington.ma.us/FIV.html http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm MC -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Update on my Catkids
Well Miles is doing MUCH better, no accidents. Moe is pretty much back to normal. I think he's just really weak because I notice he gets tired more quickly than before. Holly is her usual majestic self. And we all shared the Kitty Room with the AC again last night. I actually think they really like having us in on the floor with them. Weird. Anyways, how do I turn getting my emails from a digest to individual emails? I've been receive the digest, and it's just a little confusing for me to keep up. Beckie
Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...
Hi Marylyn, At this point I am dealing with, what I believe, is a very determined , aggressive kitty, desperately seeking a 'good' home. What makes me say this is, my best friend down the street, was also affected by Marmalade. She has one kitty, Addey, whom is like an obsession to her, and this is putting it mildly... Addey is her only cat, because Addey controls the home. Otherwise, my friend would have at least one more cat...Anyway, Addey is allowed outside.My friend has a beautiful yard/home and there is a lovely ravene area behind my friend's house, where Addey likes to hunt...My friend will not deprive her of her joys in life and I have begged my friend to please not allow Addey out after dark, advice like that...We do have foxes, etc. Well, Marmalade would make the rounds between my friend's house and mine. We are less than a block apart. Marmalade was being very aggressive with Addey too and there were howling matches during the day and evening, but I do not believe any violent contacts. I had heard it is rare for a male cat to be so aggressive with a female...I do not doubt it was just a matter of time before Marmalade would have had a physical conflict with Addey. It would take a huge adjustment with my cats and the other cats in the neighborhood to welcome Marmalade. I know once a kitty feels secure, there would be no competition and of course, after being neutered, that would probably do the trick. If I had fewer of my own cats and the time to put in a rehabiliation project like this, I would do it, because it would, along with everything else, be very interesting. I am only hoping right now, these couple of days at the shelter, settle Marmalade down and perhaps there is a different side to him. I'll be visiting him today and talking to the shelter people. Thursday morning is the FeLV/FIV test. My old vet, who is only a few blocks from the shelter, will be testing him and during the physical handling of Marmalade he can also give me his opinion. I'm sure he will love testing him...I do not think it will be fun for him...my vet. We shall see? I do appreciate the sensitivity and caring nature of everyone here. I so completely understand, because I feel the same way...Thank you, Glenda --- Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you let Marmalade be your cat too? Little ferals make the most wonderful friends and he would love to work for you and live with you. It sounds as though he has learned who the boss cat is. Dixie has some cats that report to her. We live on a farm and she is an inside cat, having carefully worked her way into my heart the way Marmalade is trying to work into yours. There are cats, one particular here, that hangs out and helps with the varmint chores outside. Mom has three that hang out at her house and she hasn't had a mouse in over 11 years. A shelter and food go a long way toward taming a cat. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:41 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here... THANK YOU WENDY, YES, I WILL TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO CHANGE THE FATE OF MARMALADE, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE WOULD NOT BE WHERE HE IS IF IT WERE NOT FOR ME. IF HE TESTS NEG. I WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH. WE ARE IN THE STONE AGE HERE MENTALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO CATS. I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE EVEN IN HAWK SPRINGS , WYO. THERE IS A FERAL RESCUE GROUP CONSIDERING WYOMING DOES NOT EVEN HAVE DECENT ANIMAL CRUELTY LAWS. THEY ARE SO BACKWARDS. I THINK DOG FIGHTING IS STILL LEGAL THERE? SOMEONE MIGHT CHECK THIS OUT IF THEY ARE WONDERING.WHEN I WAS CRUISING petfinder.com I FOUND A SHELTER IN HAWK SPRINGS, WYOMING WITH A REALLY AMAZING WEB-SITE. IT IS VERY ADVANCED...INTERESTING. I WAS ALSO VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE WEB-SITE FOR SHELTERS IN MONTANA. GO TO montanapets.org IT IS BEAUTIFULLY ORGANIZED. IT LETS YOU CLICK ALL THE SHELTERS IN THE STATE. EVERY STATE SHOULD BE SET UP LIKE THAT. IT MAKES COMMUNICATING and COOPERATION BETWEEN SHELTERS SO EASY ...WELL, ENOUGH OF THE CHATTER. IM OFF TO BED. THANK YOU AGAIN, EVERYONE, FOR YOUR HELP. GLENDA --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Glenda, I would point those ladies in the direction of an online FIV group. I don't know of one specifically, but I know there are several out there. Yahoo probably has one. You can search for them on the Internet. I don't know what to tell you about your situation with Marmalade. It's such a
Re: FIV infected kittes
NINA, EXCELLENT LETTER! IM FORWARDING THIS TO THE GALS WITH THE FIV+ KITTENS. THEY REALLY NEED THIS PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH! GLENDA --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Group, I just saw that someone was asking for help with an fiv tested kitten. The following is a post I archived from a trusted list member, (MC) about this subject: there is essentially no such thing as an FIV positive kittens. maternal transmission is incredibly rare, and is still not even considered a normal mode of infection. kittens with an infected mom will test positive until mom's antibodies are out of her system--between 6-10 months. no sanctuary or rescue that specializes in FIV cats will take a cat without a positive western blot test, as the snap test is only about 60% accurate. a western blot given before a kitten is old enough for mom's immunities to have worn off WILL test positive, but it won't mean anything. i would NEVER vaccinate a cat against FIV--if the cat ever gets out and into the shelter system, he will test positve (not maybe, DEFINITELY), and unless he's microchipped and someone actually checks his record to see he's been vaccinated, his chances of living long enough to be found by you is slim to none. almost all FIV is spread via DEEP, PENETRATING WOUNDS--the sort that boy cats inflict while fighting over girls. that's why a high percentage of FIV cats are boys, with those girls who have it probably getting it during rough sex. once neutered, almost all male cats lose any desire to be that aggressive. in cases where a tom DOES remain aggressive, filing down or even removing the canine teeth makes it impossible for him to bite deeply enough to pass on the virus. most FIV cats, once neutered, seem to turn into very healthy, very large, very lazy, very cuddly couch potatoes. at the sanctuary where i worked, many FIV cats ended up becoming forever cats of the volunteers, because they were just such sweethearts. i have two FIVs in my household right now, a timid flamepoint himmie who must have gotten out and been attacked cuz there's NO way he would have initiated an argument on his own, and an adolescent coonie. FIV cats tend to be very healthy--they have a higher incidence of herpes infections (easily kept in check with the addition of lysine), and a tendency toward other mouth problems. they get sick just like normal cats, and they get better when treated in a timely manner, just like normal cats! as one of my vets puts it, FIV cats die WITH the virus, not from it. it is TOTALLY different from FeLV in how it's spread, and how it manifests itself. (well, after 18 years, the sanctuary director thinks that being fat and lazy and cuddly are the only consistent symptoms of FIV.) here are two of the better articles on FIV: http://www.afa.arlington.ma.us/FIV.html http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm MC -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469
Re: NEW vaccination protocols announced today
I believe this to be an email hoax. The first sign is this information was released today - when is today? This is common among email hoaxes. The second sign is that they refer to vaccine related Fibrosarcoma. This is no longer the correct medical terminology. It is injection site sarcoma. If this is put out by a veterinary authority, surely they would use the correct terminology. I'm sure I could find more stuff wrong with it, but I don't have time to dig through it. AAFP puts out a vaccination protocol which is the one I and my vet use. On 8/7/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A good information, Jane, I will cross post it. - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:56 PM Subject: NEW vaccination protocols announced today This information was released today. Because yearly vaccinations are the primary source of income for many veterinarian practices, and because pharmaceutical companies have lobbied against this protocol, this has been a long time coming. This version is a compromise, but nevertheless the danger of over vaccination and of many vaccines is beginning to be acknowledged. There are many vets who, prior to this protocol, do not vaccinate for Feline Leukemia because of ineffective results and sometimes lethal consequences. Jane Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being adopted by ALL 27 North American veterinary schools. I highly recommend that you read this. Copy and save it to your files. Print it and pass it out at dog fairs, cat shows, kennel club meetings, dog parks, give a copy to your veterinarian and groomer, etc. Get the word out. VACCINATION NEWS FLASH I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an ethical economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics. Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs. those concerned about potential side effects. Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic well being should not be a factor in medical decision. NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine Distemper, Parvo, Feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine, and there is little or no effect. The titer is not boosted nor are more memory cells induced. Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions, and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines. Puppies receive antibodies through their mothers milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine, and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 mo) will provide Lifetime immunity. CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOGS Distemper Parvo According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA, 8-15-95, when a vaccinations series given at 2, 3 4 months and again at 1 year with a MLV, puppies and kitten program memory cells that survive for life, providing lifelong immunity. Dr. Carmichael at Cornell and Dr. Schultz have studies showing immunity against challenge at 2-10 years for canine distemper 4 years for parvovirus. Studies for longer duration are pending. There are no new strains of parvovirus as one mfg. would like to suggest. Parvovirus vaccination provides cross immunity for all types. Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one of the agents known to be a cause of kennel cough. Only vaccines with CAV-2 should be used as CAV-1 vaccines carry the risk of hepatitis blue-eye reactions kidney damage. Bordetella Parainfluenza: Commonly called Kennel cough Recommended only for those dogs boarded, groomed, taken to dog shows, or for any reason housed where exposed to a lot of dogs. The intranasal vaccine provides more complete and more rapid onset of immunity with less chance of reaction. Immunity
Re: NEW vaccination protocols announced today
JANE, THANK YOU! HOW EXCITING TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS NEW INFORMATION. ASK ME WHY I LOVE THIS SITE AND ALL YOU GUYS...GLENDA --- Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This information was released today. Because yearly vaccinations are the primary source of income for many veterinarian practices, and because pharmaceutical companies have lobbied against this protocol, this has been a long time coming. This version is a compromise, but nevertheless the danger of over vaccination and of many vaccines is beginning to be acknowledged. There are many vets who, prior to this protocol, do not vaccinate for Feline Leukemia because of ineffective results and sometimes lethal consequences. Jane Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being adopted by ALL 27 North American veterinary schools. I highly recommend that you read this. Copy and save it to your files. Print it and pass it out at dog fairs, cat shows, kennel club meetings, dog parks, give a copy to your veterinarian and groomer, etc. Get the word out. VACCINATION NEWS FLASH I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an ethical economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics. Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs. those concerned about potential side effects. Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic well being should not be a factor in medical decision. NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine Distemper, Parvo, Feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine, and there is little or no effect. The titer is not boosted nor are more memory cells induced. Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions, and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines. Puppies receive antibodies through their mothers milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine, and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 mo) will provide Lifetime immunity. CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOGS Distemper Parvo According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA, 8-15-95, when a vaccinations series given at 2, 3 4 months and again at 1 year with a MLV, puppies and kitten program memory cells that survive for life, providing lifelong immunity. Dr. Carmichael at Cornell and Dr. Schultz have studies showing immunity against challenge at 2-10 years for canine distemper 4 years for parvovirus. Studies for longer duration are pending. There are no new strains of parvovirus as one mfg. would like to suggest. Parvovirus vaccination provides cross immunity for all types. Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one of the agents known to be a cause of kennel cough. Only vaccines with CAV-2 should be used as CAV-1 vaccines carry the risk of hepatitis blue-eye reactions kidney damage. Bordetella Parainfluenza: Commonly called Kennel cough Recommended only for those dogs boarded, groomed, taken to dog shows, or for any reason housed where exposed to a lot of dogs. The intranasal vaccine provides more complete and more rapid onset of immunity with less chance of reaction. Immunity requires 72 hours, and does not protect from every cause of kennel cough. Immunity is of short duration (4 to 6 months). RABIES There have been no reported cases of rabid dogs or cats in Harris, Montogomery or Ft. Bend Counties [Texas], there have been rabid skunks and bats so the potential exists. It is a killed vaccine and must be given every year. Lyme disease is a tick born disease which can cause lameness, kidney failure and heart disease in dogs. Ticks can also transmit the disease to humans. The original Ft. Dodge killed bacteria has proven
Re: Sammy's fever is 106!
Prayers. Isabella has anemia and her temp got up to 107. Last time at the vet (3 weeks ago) it was normal. Good luck and prayers for your little one. Laurie - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:14 AM Subject: Sammy's fever is 106! Well, Sammy went back to the Nice Ladies at Animal 911 because when I took his temperature this evening it was 106. He had been hiding yesterday morning and then staying in my mom's room and not following me and/or his brothers around all day. So he's staying the night and I'll pick him up for another blood transfusion at Animal Emergency in 5-1/2 hours. I just got home from Animal 911. Little one needs prayers. Nitie Nite, Tee Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation.
Hideyo ~ interferon Q
Thanks Hideyo! Our vet confirmed what you said about developing immunity to interferon. THANK-YOU for this information. She also said the feline version is hard to get and very expensive. Can you provide any insight? Thanks Laurie - Original Message - From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:07 AM Subject: Power of interferon: OT Hi, I just want to let everyone know how impressd I am with how effective interferon works for URIs that is caused by virurs. I have been using feline interferon for many things (felk, FIP, FIV treatment) for the past year or two. Additionally, whenever my kitties have severe or mild URIs, I started using feline interferon right away mainly because I don't want it to develop something more serious like FIP as I noticed that many times, URIs are one of the very first signs I saw in my FIP cases. Anyway, my 5 year old Frankie had developed chronic URIs ever since he received 3 combo vaccinations when he was about 6 months old. anyway, since yesterday, he had developed very severe URIs - green and thick discharge from his nose which would not stop running. He did not act ill fortunately.. but looking at it, I got very scared that reminded me how my Simba who had passed away from FIP a couple of months ago started his symptoms. but anyway, I gave him two shots of interferon yesterday and today, and by tonight,, his nose seems to be s clear, which is amazing. I just wanted to let everyone know in case you may have a simiar situation in the future. good nite, Hideyo
Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q
The feline version is orderable from other countries. It is $1000 for 10 tubes I believe. On 8/7/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Hideyo! Our vet confirmed what you said about developing immunity to interferon. THANK-YOU for this information. She also said the feline version is hard to get and very expensive. Can you provide any insight? Thanks Laurie - Original Message - From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:07 AM Subject: Power of interferon: OT Hi, I just want to let everyone know how impressd I am with how effective interferon works for URIs that is caused by virurs. I have been using feline interferon for many things (felk, FIP, FIV treatment) for the past year or two. Additionally, whenever my kitties have severe or mild URIs, I started using feline interferon right away mainly because I don't want it to develop something more serious like FIP as I noticed that many times, URIs are one of the very first signs I saw in my FIP cases. Anyway, my 5 year old Frankie had developed chronic URIs ever since he received 3 combo vaccinations when he was about 6 months old. anyway, since yesterday, he had developed very severe URIs - green and thick discharge from his nose which would not stop running. He did not act ill fortunately.. but looking at it, I got very scared that reminded me how my Simba who had passed away from FIP a couple of months ago started his symptoms. but anyway, I gave him two shots of interferon yesterday and today, and by tonight,, his nose seems to be s clear, which is amazing. I just wanted to let everyone know in case you may have a simiar situation in the future. good nite, Hideyo -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q
Thank-you. Any idea how many doses in a tube? Thanks! Laurie - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q The feline version is orderable from other countries. It is $1000 for 10 tubes I believe. On 8/7/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Hideyo! Our vet confirmed what you said about developing immunity to interferon. THANK-YOU for this information. She also said the feline version is hard to get and very expensive. Can you provide any insight? Thanks Laurie - Original Message - From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:07 AM Subject: Power of interferon: OT Hi, I just want to let everyone know how impressd I am with how effective interferon works for URIs that is caused by virurs. I have been using feline interferon for many things (felk, FIP, FIV treatment) for the past year or two. Additionally, whenever my kitties have severe or mild URIs, I started using feline interferon right away mainly because I don't want it to develop something more serious like FIP as I noticed that many times, URIs are one of the very first signs I saw in my FIP cases. Anyway, my 5 year old Frankie had developed chronic URIs ever since he received 3 combo vaccinations when he was about 6 months old. anyway, since yesterday, he had developed very severe URIs - green and thick discharge from his nose which would not stop running. He did not act ill fortunately.. but looking at it, I got very scared that reminded me how my Simba who had passed away from FIP a couple of months ago started his symptoms. but anyway, I gave him two shots of interferon yesterday and today, and by tonight,, his nose seems to be s clear, which is amazing. I just wanted to let everyone know in case you may have a simiar situation in the future. good nite, Hideyo -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Flea Control for colony/street cats, heat and other issues
Thanks Marylyn, that's very reassuring. I worry about them so and wish I could let them in the house. The Lil Girl wants to come in so bad- but I think it's more to just mess around since the house still smells like Monkee- than to actually cool off! And since I have a foster cat now, I can't risk exposing them when I don't know what the street cats may have. Plus the street cats are toughies and my little foster cat is a baby. I change their water twice a day and they've been getting lots of ice in it. I have kept my back gate open so they can freely go in the backyard (instead of having to jump over the fence). There's lots of shade out there in the a.m. and I added a water out there. -Caroline From: "Marylyn" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Flea Control for colony/street cats, heat and other issuesDate: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:01:05 -0500 FYI: Dixie had to stay in an unair conditioned garage for quite a while after she tested FELV +. I, too, was concerned about the heat but my vets said she would be fine if she could get out of the sun and had plenty of water. This is Ky. temperatures if that tells you anything. The soil under low growing bushes is cool.The vets pointed out that cats originated in Africa and are more accustomed to heat than dogs. This does not mean leave the cat in a car and go shopping though. Ebony and Mi Tu spent many hot days in duct work that led from an a/ced house to an outside kennel with plenty of shade. To me, the cool water is the most important thing. And part of the "cool" keeps the water fresher. It does not grow green slime as fast. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Flea Control for colony/street cats, heat and other issues For the heat, I would just make sure there is always plenty of fresh, clean water for them. As far as fleas, you can buy the large dog size of Advantage or Frontline and "break it down" to the proper dosage for cats. That's what I do every month, I am treating 60+ cats per month. My inside cats are even getitng treatment because the fleas are s bad this year, the fleas are in the yard and can get in throught he enclosure, even tho it is screened. If you want to the actual doasges to use, email me offlist. You can buy both of these products cheap @ Revival right now, w/ $2.99 shipping. You can get about 5 or 6 dosages of treatment out of one large dog size tube. Susan J. DuBose ^..^www.PetGirlsPetsitting.comwww.Tx.SiameseRescue.orgwww.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: OT: Flea Control for colony/street cats, heat and other issues There are outdoor, colony cats (all spayed and neutered) on my street that the street, as a whole, kind of takes care of (people put food out). There's a lady a few houses up the street from me that started this- I think some of them she "rescued" from bad pet stores, but she lets them roam free on the street. I've had a few conversations with her about the cats. There are at least four that are outdoor-outdoor. There's a few others that I think sometimes go in the lady's house. She says the four outdoor ones won't go in her house though and that's why they stay out, year round...? I've been in this neighborhood about a year and I feed the cats and keep fresh water out for them. I worried about them in the winter, so I fed them even more when it was bitter cold. Other people feed them too, but there's 3 of them that seem to prefer my food (of course) and my company, so they are at my door a lot. Two of them will come on my front screened porch and "hang-out." I've stepped up the attention I give them and the feeding since Monkee died because they were a way for me to continue to interact with cats and to look out after something. One of them, my favorite, is this tiny (under 9 pounds) little girl who is "just one of the guys" and she's runs roughshod over them. When the dominant male is not around, she's sweet, adorable little cat. When the males are around, she's large and in charge. She will let me pet her and now I can hold her. I knew she had tapeworms because I saw the segments. I finally got a tapeworm pill for free from my Shamrock Foundation contact and I pilled the little girl this weekend-- it went fine, she fought me, but I came out of it without even one scratch. I'm such a good piller- it shocks even me! My Shamrock contact also gave me a free Advantage to put on her because I
Re: Sammy's fever is 106!
Taylor and Sammy, My heart is with you guys. Glenda --- Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Sammy went back to the Nice Ladies at Animal 911 because when I took his temperature this evening it was 106. He had been hiding yesterday morning and then staying in my mom's room and not following me and/or his brothers around all day. So he's staying the night and I'll pick him up for another blood transfusion at Animal Emergency in 5-1/2 hours. I just got home from Animal 911. Little one needs prayers. Nitie Nite, Tee Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q
I don't know, but Hideyo will. On 8/7/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank-you. Any idea how many doses in a tube? Thanks! Laurie - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q The feline version is orderable from other countries. It is $1000 for 10 tubes I believe. On 8/7/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Hideyo! Our vet confirmed what you said about developing immunity to interferon. THANK-YOU for this information. She also said the feline version is hard to get and very expensive. Can you provide any insight? Thanks Laurie - Original Message - From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:07 AM Subject: Power of interferon: OT Hi, I just want to let everyone know how impressd I am with how effective interferon works for URIs that is caused by virurs. I have been using feline interferon for many things (felk, FIP, FIV treatment) for the past year or two. Additionally, whenever my kitties have severe or mild URIs, I started using feline interferon right away mainly because I don't want it to develop something more serious like FIP as I noticed that many times, URIs are one of the very first signs I saw in my FIP cases. Anyway, my 5 year old Frankie had developed chronic URIs ever since he received 3 combo vaccinations when he was about 6 months old. anyway, since yesterday, he had developed very severe URIs - green and thick discharge from his nose which would not stop running. He did not act ill fortunately.. but looking at it, I got very scared that reminded me how my Simba who had passed away from FIP a couple of months ago started his symptoms. but anyway, I gave him two shots of interferon yesterday and today, and by tonight,, his nose seems to be s clear, which is amazing. I just wanted to let everyone know in case you may have a simiar situation in the future. good nite, Hideyo -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: more information on vaccines
Like I said..it is email spam. These chain letters get out and they stay out for years and years and years. It is quite a problem. That's why they say announced today instead of putting an actual date. Cuz if you get an email that has been going around teh Internet for 10 years you will throw it out. But if it says today it looks current. On 8/7/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a bit confusing--look at this site in which Dr. Dodds disavows this post... http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/DODDS-CHG-VACC-PROTOCOLS.HTM Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: more information on vaccines http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/about%20the%20RCF.html The challenge is based on the need to understand exactly how long immunity lasts once a rabies vaccine is give - the old data which is three or one year is actually a result of the original test subjects being put down rather then allowed to live out their life span with re-testing to see if the vaccine was still effective over time. Hopefully the challenge will shed light on that question. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat
I did a cat rescue on Sat. of a spayed, long-haired female that was clearly a house-cat that had been hanging out in my mom's neighborhood for about 3 weeks. My mom had told the neighbor across the street that I had a foster cat and so he thought I would know what to do once he'd finally determined the cat did not have a home (you know how it goes!). I took one look at her and decided we needed to move fast- she'd already been outside too long. She had a collar on with a rabies tag on it with the vet's number, but by the time we got her in a carrier and I had the collar off (it had rubbed the fur off her neck)the vet's was closed. My mom left a message w/ the vet's, but come Mon. morn., still hadn't heard back. On Mon., she drove past the vet clinic and it's closed- like out of business!!! We were hoping to match up the rabies tag number with the owner, however, my mom is really skittish about actually finding the owner because there's no free newspaper ad looking for her, there's no signs up in the neighborhood, and she was in SUCH bad shape when we found her...? Also, my mom says the vet the cat went to to at least get her rabies shot is "not a good one," so she is reluctant to just immediately turn this cat over, even if we do find the owners- which at this point, is not looking promising anyway. We haven't taken her to a vet yet because we thought we would maybe find the owners, and now I am trying to work my Shamrock contact to see if I can get her in with a Shamrock vet who will give us a discounted price. When we found her she had horrible runny eyes- all down her face. She has fleas (of course). We are keeping her in a downstairs room of my mom's house in a crate- which we do let her out of when someone is there because she doesn't do anything- she is SO good; clearly a housecat who was desperate to get back inside, so she will do anything right now (I can handle her easily, she doesn't fight, I can treat her eyes easily, etc. I don't think she even knows how to scratch?!) Her main problem is she is clearly severely malnourished-- she is skin and bones literally. She has dander. I think she would have died this week outside of heat exhaustion, shock, etc.,complicated by malnutrition if we hadn't taken her in. We are feeding her Wellness wet food, which I am adding a Colostrum and L-Lysine too, as well as Pet Calm. Thank god I remembered that I had a tube of Nutrical (from Monkee), so I have been mixing that in the wet food too and she just gobbles it up. We are also feeding her Wellness dry food, but it took a while for her to eat it because I don't think she knew "how" to eat dry cat food. My Shamrock contact gave me a tube of Terramycin to treat her eyes and they are already a lot better. The green discharge has lessened and the overall watering and sneezing is better. She's had two BM's- we had to help the first one along with some Laxatone. The first one was pretty normal, but yesterday's was runny (but that could have been from the laxatone). I just wanted to see if anyone else had advice for how we can improve her nutrition until we can get her into a vet? I've never rescued a cat that was this malnourished before and my mom is just really worried about that, so I really just need some advice- even if it's things I can tell my over-worrying mother to calm her down! Thanks, Caroline Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel.
vaccinations
Kelly I forwarded this from a Scottie list that is moderated by a DVM. According to Jean Dodds, it has been floating the internet since last year...for that reason I posted her Rabies Challenge and an 04 letter written and signed by a UK veterinarian group which I think is worth reading and thinking about. I know that the vaccine issue is charged and controversial. I think we owe it to our animals to be as aware and informed of the latest accurate research. We're dealing with 'new' science and highly charged economics and politics. On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I believe this to be an email hoax. The first sign is this information was released today - when is today? This is common among email hoaxes. The second sign is that they refer to vaccine related Fibrosarcoma. This is no longer the correct medical terminology. It is injection site sarcoma. If this is put out by a veterinary authority, surely they would use the correct terminology. I'm sure I could find more stuff wrong with it, but I don't have time to dig through it. AAFP puts out a vaccination protocol which is the one I and my vet use. On 8/7/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A good information, Jane, I will cross post it. - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:56 PM Subject: NEW vaccination protocols announced today This information was released today. Because yearly vaccinations are the primary source of income for many veterinarian practices, and because pharmaceutical companies have lobbied against this protocol, this has been a long time coming. This version is a compromise, but nevertheless the danger of over vaccination and of many vaccines is beginning to be acknowledged. There are many vets who, prior to this protocol, do not vaccinate for Feline Leukemia because of ineffective results and sometimes lethal consequences. Jane Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being adopted by ALL 27 North American veterinary schools. I highly recommend that you read this. Copy and save it to your files. Print it and pass it out at dog fairs, cat shows, kennel club meetings, dog parks, give a copy to your veterinarian and groomer, etc. Get the word out. VACCINATION NEWS FLASH I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an ethical economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics. Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs. those concerned about potential side effects. Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic well being should not be a factor in medical decision. NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine Distemper, Parvo, Feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine, and there is little or no effect. The titer is not boosted nor are more memory cells induced. Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions, and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines. Puppies receive antibodies through their mothers milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine, and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 mo) will provide Lifetime immunity. CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOGS Distemper Parvo According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA, 8-15-95, when a vaccinations series given at 2, 3 4 months and again at 1 year with a MLV, puppies and kitten program memory cells that survive for life, providing lifelong immunity. Dr. Carmichael at Cornell and Dr. Schultz have studies showing immunity against challenge at 2-10 years for canine distemper 4 years for parvovirus. Studies for longer duration are pending. There are no new strains of parvovirus as one mfg. would like to suggest. Parvovirus vaccination provides cross immunity for all types. Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one of
FIRE!!!!!
So far there are now only 5 cats she has not found as yet,,Susan's really big need is for fosters who can assist with adoptions and anyone knowing of animal friendly rentals between Vallejo and San Francisco,,she said she could go up to 1500 per month,, If you can't reach her you can contact me also p.m. and I will reach her, thanks Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat
Caroline, others on this list are much better qualified than I to tell you how to get this baby healthy again, but one thing that is drummed into us over on the Feral Cats yahoogroup is, ALWAYS LIST AS FOUND. The absence of posters or free ads doesn't necessarily mean careless owners, there are any number of scenarios in which a cat could end up on the street with a heartbroken mommy or daddy not knowing what to do. And, even if your mom thinks the vet in question wasn't good, even a conscientious cat parent can make a mistake in their choice of vet, so she shouldn't hold that against the kitty's owner in and of itself. It would be the ethical thing to do to call whatever passes for a humane society (unless they require that you surrender the cat in order for them to list it -- NEVER do that) and all the local vet offices as well -- anyplace where someone might call to see if a cat has been brought in. Of course, you should always withhold one identifying characteristic to ask anyone who calls. You or your mom can screen any calls and if you get bad vibes, at that point you can make the decision whether to turn the little girl over or keep her. Of course the chances ARE slim that an owner will turn up, but if someone does and obviously cares about the kitty, they should also be willing to reimburse you at least partly for the cost of the food and vet. Just my 2 cents. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat I did a cat rescue on Sat. of a spayed, long-haired female that was clearly a house-cat that had been hanging out in my mom's neighborhood for about 3 weeks. My mom had told the neighbor across the street that I had a foster cat and so he thought I would know what to do once he'd finally determined the cat did not have a home (you know how it goes!). I took one look at her and decided we needed to move fast- she'd already been outside too long. She had a collar on with a rabies tag on it with the vet's number, but by the time we got her in a carrier and I had the collar off (it had rubbed the fur off her neck) the vet's was closed. My mom left a message w/ the vet's, but come Mon. morn., still hadn't heard back. On Mon., she drove past the vet clinic and it's closed- like out of business!!! We were hoping to match up the rabies tag number with the owner, however, my mom is really skittish about actually finding the owner because there's no free newspaper ad looking for her, there's no signs up in the neighborhood, and she was in SUCH bad shape when we found her...? Also, my mom says the vet the cat went to to at least get her rabies shot is not a good one, so she is reluctant to just immediately turn this cat over, even if we do find the owners- which at this point, is not looking promising anyway. We haven't taken her to a vet yet because we thought we would maybe find the owners, and now I am trying to work my Shamrock contact to see if I can get her in with a Shamrock vet who will give us a discounted price. When we found her she had horrible runny eyes- all down her face. She has fleas (of course). We are keeping her in a downstairs room of my mom's house in a crate- which we do let her out of when someone is there because she doesn't do anything- she is SO good; clearly a housecat who was desperate to get back inside, so she will do anything right now (I can handle her easily, she doesn't fight, I can treat her eyes easily, etc. I don't think she even knows how to scratch?!) Her main problem is she is clearly severely malnourished-- she is skin and bones literally. She has dander. I think she would have died this week outside of heat exhaustion, shock, etc., complicated by malnutrition if we hadn't taken her in. We are feeding her Wellness wet food, which I am adding a Colostrum and L-Lysine too, as well as Pet Calm. Thank god I remembered that I had a tube of Nutrical (from Monkee), so I have been mixing that in the wet food too and she just gobbles it up. We are also feeding her Wellness dry food, but it took a while for her to eat it because I don't think she knew how to eat dry cat food. My Shamrock contact gave me a tube of Terramycin to treat her eyes and they are already a lot better. The green discharge has lessened and the overall watering and sneezing is better. She's had two BM's- we had to help the first one along with some Laxatone. The first one was pretty normal, but yesterday's was runny (but that could have been from the laxatone). I just wanted to see if anyone else had advice for how we can improve her nutrition until we can get her into a vet? I've never rescued a cat that was this malnourished before and my mom is just really worried about that, so I really just need some advice- even if it's things I can tell my over-worrying
Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q
Acutally we can get from US - I live in NM - I have gotten over probably 20 shipments in the past with no poblem. if you need a detail, write to me off list - It does cost a little over $1000, but if anyone is interested in, I can order your portion when I order mine as I order regularly. - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q The feline version is orderable from other countries. It is $1000 for 10 tubes I believe. On 8/7/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Hideyo! Our vet confirmed what you said about developing immunity to interferon. THANK-YOU for this information. She also said the feline version is hard to get and very expensive. Can you provide any insight? Thanks Laurie - Original Message - From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:07 AM Subject: Power of interferon: OT Hi, I just want to let everyone know how impressd I am with how effective interferon works for URIs that is caused by virurs. I have been using feline interferon for many things (felk, FIP, FIV treatment) for the past year or two. Additionally, whenever my kitties have severe or mild URIs, I started using feline interferon right away mainly because I don't want it to develop something more serious like FIP as I noticed that many times, URIs are one of the very first signs I saw in my FIP cases. Anyway, my 5 year old Frankie had developed chronic URIs ever since he received 3 combo vaccinations when he was about 6 months old. anyway, since yesterday, he had developed very severe URIs - green and thick discharge from his nose which would not stop running. He did not act ill fortunately.. but looking at it, I got very scared that reminded me how my Simba who had passed away from FIP a couple of months ago started his symptoms. but anyway, I gave him two shots of interferon yesterday and today, and by tonight,, his nose seems to be s clear, which is amazing. I just wanted to let everyone know in case you may have a simiar situation in the future. good nite, Hideyo -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.comhttp://www.goodsearch.com/ - powered by Yahoo!
RE: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat
Thanks, that's a good idea. I guess our issue is that she clearly needs rehabbing- which we are willing to do- and we want to make sure she gets that rehabilitation. Not just turn her over in the state she's in and not know whether or not she got the care she needed. We can do the rehab that's necessary and list her as "found" at the same time. Thanks, Caroline From: "Rosenfeldt, Diane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued catDate: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:41:17 -0500 Caroline, others on this list are much better qualified than I to tell you how to get this baby healthy again, but one thing that is drummed into us over on the Feral Cats yahoogroup is, ALWAYS LIST AS FOUND. The absence of posters or free ads doesn't necessarily mean careless owners, there are any number of scenarios in which a cat could end up on the street with a heartbroken mommy or daddy not knowing what to do. And, even if your mom thinks the vet in question wasn't good, even a conscientious cat parent can make a mistake in their choice of vet, so she shouldn't hold that against the kitty's owner in and of itself. It would be the ethical thing to do to call whatever passes for a humane society (unless they require that you surrender the cat in order for them to list it -- NEVER do that) and all the local vet offices as well -- anyplace where someone might call to see if a cat has been brought in. Of course, you should always withhold one identifying characteristic to ask anyone who calls. You or your mom can screen any calls and if you get bad vibes, at that point you can make the decision whether to turn the little girl over or keep her. Of course the chances ARE slim that an owner will turn up, but if someone does and obviously cares about the kitty, they should also be willing to reimburse you at least partly for the cost of the food and vet. Just my 2 cents. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline KaufmannSent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:09 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat I did a cat rescue on Sat. of a spayed, long-haired female that was clearly a house-cat that had been hanging out in my mom's neighborhood for about 3 weeks. My mom had told the neighbor across the street that I had a foster cat and so he thought I would know what to do once he'd finally determined the cat did not have a home (you know how it goes!). I took one look at her and decided we needed to move fast- she'd already been outside too long. She had a collar on with a rabies tag on it with the vet's number, but by the time we got her in a carrier and I had the collar off (it had rubbed the fur off her neck)the vet's was closed. My mom left a message w/ the vet's, but come Mon. morn., still hadn't heard back. On Mon., she drove past the vet clinic and it's closed- like out of business!!! We were hoping to match up the rabies tag number with the owner, however, my mom is really skittish about actually finding the owner because there's no free newspaper ad looking for her, there's no signs up in the neighborhood, and she was in SUCH bad shape when we found her...? Also, my mom says the vet the cat went to to at least get her rabies shot is "not a good one," so she is reluctant to just immediately turn this cat over, even if we do find the owners- which at this point, is not looking promising anyway. We haven't taken her to a vet yet because we thought we would maybe find the owners, and now I am trying to work my Shamrock contact to see if I can get her in with a Shamrock vet who will give us a discounted price. When we found her she had horrible runny eyes- all down her face. She has fleas (of course). We are keeping her in a downstairs room of my mom's house in a crate- which we do let her out of when someone is there because she doesn't do anything- she is SO good; clearly a housecat who was desperate to get back inside, so she will do anything right now (I can handle her easily, she doesn't fight, I can treat her eyes easily, etc. I don't think she even knows how to scratch?!) Her main problem is she is clearly severely malnourished-- she is skin and bones literally. She has dander. I think she would have died this week outside of heat exhaustion, shock, etc.,complicated by malnutrition if we hadn't taken her in. We are feeding her Wellness wet food, which I am adding a Colostrum and L-Lysine too, as well as Pet Calm. Thank god I remembered that I had a tube of Nutrical (from Monkee), so I have been mixing that in the wet food too and she just gobbles it up. We are also feeding her Wellness dry food, but it took a while for her to eat it because I don't think she knew "how" to eat dry cat food. My Shamrock contact gave me a tube of Terramycin to treat her eyes and they are already a lot better. The green discharge has lessened and the overall watering and sneezing
Re: FIRE!!!!!
Just set up a photobucket account with photos of (a) fire damage, (b) missing cats and (c) adoptables in foster care. PLEASE CROSSPOST WIDELY. The link is http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/susan4233/ I will gather more photos as I can but I want to start circulating what I have. Need adoption assistance with cats in foster care. Need good trapping vibes for the ones who are still missing. Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far there are now only 5 cats she has not found as yet,,Susan's really big need is for fosters who can assist with adoptions and anyone knowing of animal friendly rentals between Vallejo and San Francisco,,she said she could go up to 1500 per month,, If you can't reach her you can contact me also p.m. and I will reach her, thanks Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat
That sounds like a great plan! If it were me I would certainly want to know this girl was getting healthy before I turned her over, too. Diane R. Diane Rosenfeldt Legal Secretary Quarles Brady LLP 411 East Wisconsin Avenue Suite 2040 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53202-4497 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat Thanks, that's a good idea. I guess our issue is that she clearly needs rehabbing- which we are willing to do- and we want to make sure she gets that rehabilitation. Not just turn her over in the state she's in and not know whether or not she got the care she needed. We can do the rehab that's necessary and list her as found at the same time. Thanks, Caroline From: Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:41:17 -0500 Caroline, others on this list are much better qualified than I to tell you how to get this baby healthy again, but one thing that is drummed into us over on the Feral Cats yahoogroup is, ALWAYS LIST AS FOUND. The absence of posters or free ads doesn't necessarily mean careless owners, there are any number of scenarios in which a cat could end up on the street with a heartbroken mommy or daddy not knowing what to do. And, even if your mom thinks the vet in question wasn't good, even a conscientious cat parent can make a mistake in their choice of vet, so she shouldn't hold that against the kitty's owner in and of itself. It would be the ethical thing to do to call whatever passes for a humane society (unless they require that you surrender the cat in order for them to list it -- NEVER do that) and all the local vet offices as well -- anyplace where someone might call to see if a cat has been brought in. Of course, you should always withhold one identifying characteristic to ask anyone who calls. You or your mom can screen any calls and if you get bad vibes, at that point you can make the decision whether to turn the little girl over or keep her. Of course the chances ARE slim that an owner will turn up, but if someone does and obviously cares about the kitty, they should also be willing to reimburse you at least partly for the cost of the food and vet. Just my 2 cents. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat I did a cat rescue on Sat. of a spayed, long-haired female that was clearly a house-cat that had been hanging out in my mom's neighborhood for about 3 weeks. My mom had told the neighbor across the street that I had a foster cat and so he thought I would know what to do once he'd finally determined the cat did not have a home (you know how it goes!). I took one look at her and decided we needed to move fast- she'd already been outside too long. She had a collar on with a rabies tag on it with the vet's number, but by the time we got her in a carrier and I had the collar off (it had rubbed the fur off her neck) the vet's was closed. My mom left a message w/ the vet's, but come Mon. morn., still hadn't heard back. On Mon., she drove past the vet clinic and it's closed- like out of business!!! We were hoping to match up the rabies tag number with the owner, however, my mom is really skittish about actually finding the owner because there's no free newspaper ad looking for her, there's no signs up in the neighborhood, and she was in SUCH bad shape when we found her...? Also, my mom says the vet the cat went to to at least get her rabies shot is not a good one, so she is reluctant to just immediately turn this cat over, even if we do find the owners- which at this point, is not looking promising anyway. We haven't taken her to a vet yet because we thought we would maybe find the owners, and now I am trying to work my Shamrock contact to see if I can get her in with a Shamrock vet who will give us a discounted price. When we found her she had horrible runny eyes- all down her face. She has fleas (of course). We are keeping her in a downstairs room of my mom's house in a crate- which we do let her out of when someone is there because she doesn't do anything- she is SO good; clearly a housecat who was desperate to get back inside, so she will do anything right now (I can handle her easily, she doesn't fight, I
RE: FIRE!!!!!
Susan, all I can really help you with is the vibes, I'm afraid, but I'm sending them big time! What a blessing that nobody (and nokitty) was killed or hurt. Here's hoping the missing ones find their way to your traps today! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FIRE! Just set up a photobucket account with photos of (a) fire damage, (b) missing cats and (c) adoptables in foster care. PLEASE CROSSPOST WIDELY. The link is http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/susan4233/ I will gather more photos as I can but I want to start circulating what I have. Need adoption assistance with cats in foster care. Need good trapping vibes for the ones who are still missing. Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far there are now only 5 cats she has not found as yet,,Susan's really big need is for fosters who can assist with adoptions and anyone knowing of animal friendly rentals between Vallejo and San Francisco,,she said she could go up to 1500 per month,, If you can't reach her you can contact me also p.m. and I will reach her, thanks Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: FIRE!!!!! Susan
Susan, Are you getting responses from others? I have sent all the info regarding your situation to many other groups and private people. As I have forwarded your latest to them as well. Wish I was closer I would help you locate your missing kitties. You remain in my thoughts and prayers! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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Re: FIRE!!!!!
Susan, I have crossposted to the hyperT group. I can also send to my cousin in L.A. who knows people, but she's out of town until the middle of this month. I am so, so sorry this has happened to you, but so, so happy that none of your kitties were killed in the fire. I have a dumb question: are the five lost cats just lost/hiding in the house in the rubble or are they outside somewhere? Also, are all your personal cats accounted for or are some of them part of the missing five? Sending good vibes your way to find those lost kitties and that you find a place soon to rent until you're able to get settled again. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 11:03:14 AM Subject: Re: FIRE! Just set up a photobucket account with photos of (a) fire damage, (b) missing cats and (c) adoptables in foster care. PLEASE CROSSPOST WIDELY. The link is http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/susan4233/ I will gather more photos as I can but I want to start circulating what I have. Need adoption assistance with cats in foster care. Need good trapping vibes for the ones who are still missing. Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far there are now only 5 cats she has not found as yet,,Susan's really big need is for fosters who can assist with adoptions and anyone knowing of animal friendly rentals between Vallejo and San Francisco,,she said she could go up to 1500 per month,, If you can't reach her you can contact me also p.m. and I will reach her, thanks Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
Re: FIRE!!!!!
Susan, There are many of us who cant' help you from a distance with foster homes, adoptions, etc. We can and want to help with material items, kitty items, etc. Surely you need litter boxes, scoops, bowls, something...so we can at least delude ourselves into thinking we are helping. On 8/7/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just set up a photobucket account with photos of (a) fire damage, (b) missing cats and (c) adoptables in foster care. PLEASE CROSSPOST WIDELY. The link is http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/susan4233/ I will gather more photos as I can but I want to start circulating what I have. Need adoption assistance with cats in foster care. Need good trapping vibes for the ones who are still missing. Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far there are now only 5 cats she has not found as yet,,Susan's really big need is for fosters who can assist with adoptions and anyone knowing of animal friendly rentals between Vallejo and San Francisco,,she said she could go up to 1500 per month,, If you can't reach her you can contact me also p.m. and I will reach her, thanks Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Sammy's fever is 106!
Taylor, Prayers going out for Sammy. I hope they get his fever under control soon. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 2:14:27 AM Subject: Sammy's fever is 106! Well, Sammy went back to the Nice Ladies at Animal 911 because when I took his temperature this evening it was 106. He had been hiding yesterday morning and then staying in my mom's room and not following me and/or his brothers around all day. So he's staying the night and I'll pick him up for another blood transfusion at Animal Emergency in 5-1/2 hours. I just got home from Animal 911. Little one needs prayers. Nitie Nite, Tee Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
Re: vaccinations
I think all kinds of things are worth reading and thinking about. But this isn't presented as something to read and think about. It is presented as the literal truth and has several factual errors in it. I think it is really important to think critically about *anything* you read on the internet. I go by the AAFP vaccination protocol, except that I vaccinate all my cats against FELV, except the immune compromised ones. That means rabies every 3 years (the law in this state), FVRCP every 3 years, and FELV yearly. The AAFP vaccination protocol is published every 2 years, so anohter will be out next year. http://www.aafponline.org/resources/guidelines/2006_Vaccination_Guidelines_JAVMA.pdf On 8/7/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly I forwarded this from a Scottie list that is moderated by a DVM. According to Jean Dodds, it has been floating the internet since last year...for that reason I posted her Rabies Challenge and an 04 letter written and signed by a UK veterinarian group which I think is worth reading and thinking about. I know that the vaccine issue is charged and controversial. I think we owe it to our animals to be as aware and informed of the latest accurate research. We're dealing with 'new' science and highly charged economics and politics. On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I believe this to be an email hoax. The first sign is this information was released today - when is today? This is common among email hoaxes. The second sign is that they refer to vaccine related Fibrosarcoma. This is no longer the correct medical terminology. It is injection site sarcoma. If this is put out by a veterinary authority, surely they would use the correct terminology. I'm sure I could find more stuff wrong with it, but I don't have time to dig through it. AAFP puts out a vaccination protocol which is the one I and my vet use. On 8/7/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A good information, Jane, I will cross post it. - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:56 PM Subject: NEW vaccination protocols announced today This information was released today. Because yearly vaccinations are the primary source of income for many veterinarian practices, and because pharmaceutical companies have lobbied against this protocol, this has been a long time coming. This version is a compromise, but nevertheless the danger of over vaccination and of many vaccines is beginning to be acknowledged. There are many vets who, prior to this protocol, do not vaccinate for Feline Leukemia because of ineffective results and sometimes lethal consequences. Jane Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being adopted by ALL 27 North American veterinary schools. I highly recommend that you read this. Copy and save it to your files. Print it and pass it out at dog fairs, cat shows, kennel club meetings, dog parks, give a copy to your veterinarian and groomer, etc. Get the word out. VACCINATION NEWS FLASH I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an ethical economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics. Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs. those concerned about potential side effects. Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic well being should not be a factor in medical decision. NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine Distemper, Parvo, Feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine, and there is little or no effect. The titer is not boosted nor are more memory cells induced. Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions, and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines. Puppies receive antibodies through their mothers milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine, and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than
Re: FIRE!!!!!
Once we find permanent housing we will definitely need litter pans, cat toys, scoops, etc. (Cat trees -- my three are absolutely ruined) My traps and carriers melted in the fire. But until we find a decent sized rental we're functioning with one giant litterbox (3 ft x 20 inches or so.) Petco, Petsmart, etc. giftcards wil come in handy too. Thanks everyone. (If anyone wants to play the lottery, try the date of the fire (08/04/07) and my birthdate (12/23/60) in combination. I'm going to do the same. I'm feeling pretty lucky. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, There are many of us who cant' help you from a distance with foster homes, adoptions, etc. We can and want to help with material items, kitty items, etc. Surely you need litter boxes, scoops, bowls, something...so we can at least delude ourselves into thinking we are helping. On 8/7/07, Susan Hoffman wrote: Just set up a photobucket account with photos of (a) fire damage, (b) missing cats and (c) adoptables in foster care. PLEASE CROSSPOST WIDELY. The link is http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/susan4233/ I will gather more photos as I can but I want to start circulating what I have. Need adoption assistance with cats in foster care. Need good trapping vibes for the ones who are still missing. Kelly L wrote: So far there are now only 5 cats she has not found as yet,,Susan's really big need is for fosters who can assist with adoptions and anyone knowing of animal friendly rentals between Vallejo and San Francisco,,she said she could go up to 1500 per month,, If you can't reach her you can contact me also p.m. and I will reach her, thanks Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: FIRE!!!!!
Once we find permanent housing we will definitely need litter pans, cat toys, scoops, etc. (Cat trees -- my three are absolutely ruined) My traps and carriers melted in the fire. But until we find a decent sized rental we're functioning with one giant litterbox (3 ft x 20 inches or so.) Petco, Petsmart, etc. giftcards wil come in handy too. Thanks everyone. (If anyone wants to play the lottery, try the date of the fire (08/04/07) and my birthdate (12/23/60) in combination. I'm going to do the same. I'm feeling pretty lucky. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, There are many of us who cant' help you from a distance with foster homes, adoptions, etc. We can and want to help with material items, kitty items, etc. Surely you need litter boxes, scoops, bowls, something...so we can at least delude ourselves into thinking we are helping. On 8/7/07, Susan Hoffman wrote: Just set up a photobucket account with photos of (a) fire damage, (b) missing cats and (c) adoptables in foster care. PLEASE CROSSPOST WIDELY. The link is http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/susan4233/ I will gather more photos as I can but I want to start circulating what I have. Need adoption assistance with cats in foster care. Need good trapping vibes for the ones who are still missing. Kelly L wrote: So far there are now only 5 cats she has not found as yet,,Susan's really big need is for fosters who can assist with adoptions and anyone knowing of animal friendly rentals between Vallejo and San Francisco,,she said she could go up to 1500 per month,, If you can't reach her you can contact me also p.m. and I will reach her, thanks Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: FIRE!!!!!
Two of the missing cats -- Buddy and Lil Mister -- are my personal cats, two former feral brothers. (I have their sister YoYo with me right now.) Buddy has been seen inside since the fire but he is really freaked, reverted to feral. Lil Mister has not. Sugar is in the house, also a former feral, and she's pretty smug about not going into those traps we've set. Gustine (also known as Yard Fodder) is a VERY feral lynxpoint siamese girl, a foster, and she has been seen after the fire inside the house. Tuffy is a sweet fearful former feral foster girl, a little tabby. Have not seen her. Widget is a very shy all black kitten, maybe 4 months old. Have not seen her. (She's the only one of the kittens still missing.) There are still 3 outside feral cats, all of whom have been seen. We have traps set inside and out. Going back with a drop trap in a few days to get the outside cats. Planning on camping out there overnight soon to try to get the remaining inside cats. The general consensus is that they are hiding inside the house and, after trapping Rooster overnight and Tanner yesterday, and finding Ember hiding in the burned out basement, I suspect they are all still inside. If I keep going back and keep baiting those traps, eventually I should be able to get them all. No one has been found dead so I have to assume they are alive and in there somewhere. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, I have crossposted to the hyperT group. I can also send to my cousin in L.A. who knows people, but she's out of town until the middle of this month. I am so, so sorry this has happened to you, but so, so happy that none of your kitties were killed in the fire. I have a dumb question: are the five lost cats just lost/hiding in the house in the rubble or are they outside somewhere? Also, are all your personal cats accounted for or are some of them part of the missing five? Sending good vibes your way to find those lost kitties and that you find a place soon to rent until you're able to get settled again. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 11:03:14 AM Subject: Re: FIRE! Just set up a photobucket account with photos of (a) fire damage, (b) missing cats and (c) adoptables in foster care. PLEASE CROSSPOST WIDELY. The link is http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/susan4233/ I will gather more photos as I can but I want to start circulating what I have. Need adoption assistance with cats in foster care. Need good trapping vibes for the ones who are still missing. Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far there are now only 5 cats she has not found as yet,,Susan's really big need is for fosters who can assist with adoptions and anyone knowing of animal friendly rentals between Vallejo and San Francisco,,she said she could go up to 1500 per month,, If you can't reach her you can contact me also p.m. and I will reach her, thanks Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
Re: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat
Hi Caroline, The fact that this kitty is in bad shape and that there are no signs looking for her to me says that she wasn't necessarily neglected, but maybe she's been lost for quite a while and hope may have been given up in looking for this cat. The right thing to do would be to try to find out who the family is and go from there, keeping in mind that this kitty MIGHT not have been taken good care of, but not necessarily. What if it were your cat and you had been looking for her for two months and had given up hope? You would certainly still want to find her if you could, but after so long, the chances are pretty slim. There are quite a few online lost pet sites that I would look through. Here are a few that I found: http://www.lost-pets.org/ http://www.findthatpet.com/?gclid=CLmrnf2C5I0CFRjBWAod8AiL0w http://www.lostyourpet.net/default.aspx?countryid=2gclid=CIuP7ZaD5I0CFQcdYwodfkJv0w http://www.petclub.org/ http://www.lostapet.org/ http://www.lostandfound.com/ http://www.petfinder.com/ Bless you for taking this sweet kitty in. Monkee would be so proud of you! She is lucky that you found her. It would probably not hurt her at all to have subQ fluids, if you know how to do it. It's really easy. Is she drinking enough water? Also, you might think about boiling her some chicken and letting her drink the broth from that, and mixing chopped boiled chicken in with her food. She probably would love that. Thank goodness that she is eating and pooping good. That is wonderful!!! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 10:09:28 AM Subject: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat I did a cat rescue on Sat. of a spayed, long-haired female that was clearly a house-cat that had been hanging out in my mom's neighborhood for about 3 weeks. My mom had told the neighbor across the street that I had a foster cat and so he thought I would know what to do once he'd finally determined the cat did not have a home (you know how it goes!). I took one look at her and decided we needed to move fast- she'd already been outside too long. She had a collar on with a rabies tag on it with the vet's number, but by the time we got her in a carrier and I had the collar off (it had rubbed the fur off her neck) the vet's was closed. My mom left a message w/ the vet's, but come Mon. morn., still hadn't heard back. On Mon., she drove past the vet clinic and it's closed- like out of business!!! We were hoping to match up the rabies tag number with the owner, however, my mom is really skittish about actually finding the owner because there's no free newspaper ad looking for her, there's no signs up in the neighborhood, and she was in SUCH bad shape when we found her...? Also, my mom says the vet the cat went to to at least get her rabies shot is not a good one, so she is reluctant to just immediately turn this cat over, even if we do find the owners- which at this point, is not looking promising anyway. We haven't taken her to a vet yet because we thought we would maybe find the owners, and now I am trying to work my Shamrock contact to see if I can get her in with a Shamrock vet who will give us a discounted price. When we found her she had horrible runny eyes- all down her face. She has fleas (of course). We are keeping her in a downstairs room of my mom's house in a crate- which we do let her out of when someone is there because she doesn't do anything- she is SO good; clearly a housecat who was desperate to get back inside, so she will do anything right now (I can handle her easily, she doesn't fight, I can treat her eyes Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
Re: FIRE!!!!!
Thank God, Susan, all but a few have been seen alive. Prayers going out for you to find all 9 (?) of these furbabies. Too bad the electrical isn't working or you could plug in some Feliway...lol. I can't imagine what these kitties are thinking right now, but I know it's good that you are coming around because they know you. Please keep us posted when you are able. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 12:57:40 PM Subject: Re: FIRE! Two of the missing cats -- Buddy and Lil Mister -- are my personal cats, two former feral brothers. (I have their sister YoYo with me right now.) Buddy has been seen inside since the fire but he is really freaked, reverted to feral. Lil Mister has not. Sugar is in the house, also a former feral, and she's pretty smug about not going into those traps we've set. Gustine (also known as Yard Fodder) is a VERY feral lynxpoint siamese girl, a foster, and she has been seen after the fire inside the house. Tuffy is a sweet fearful former feral foster girl, a little tabby. Have not seen her. Widget is a very shy all black kitten, maybe 4 months old. Have not seen her. (She's the only one of the kittens still missing.) There are still 3 outside feral cats, all of whom have been seen. We have traps set inside and out. Going back with a drop trap in a few days to get the outside cats. Planning on camping out there overnight soon to try to get the remaining inside cats. The general consensus is that they are hiding inside the house and, after trapping Rooster overnight and Tanner yesterday, and finding Ember hiding in the burned out basement, I suspect they are all still inside. If I keep going back and keep baiting those traps, eventually I should be able to get them all. No one has been found dead so I have to assume they are alive and in there somewhere. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, I have crossposted to the hyperT group. I can also send to my cousin in L.A. who knows people, but she's out of town until the middle of this month. I am so, so sorry this has happened to you, but so, so happy that none of your kitties were killed in the fire. I have a dumb question: are the five lost cats just lost/hiding in the house in the rubble or are they outside somewhere? Also, are all your personal cats accounted for or are some of them part of the missing five? Sending good vibes your way to find those lost kitties and that you find a place soon to rent until you're able to get settled again. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 11:03:14 AM Subject: Re: FIRE! Just set up a photobucket account with photos of (a) fire damage, (b) missing cats and (c) adoptables in foster care. PLEASE CROSSPOST WIDELY. The link is http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/susan4233/ I will gather more photos as I can but I want to start circulating what I have. Need adoption assistance with cats in foster care. Need good trapping vibes for the ones who are still missing. Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far there are now only 5 cats she has not found as yet,,Susan's really big need is for fosters who can assist with adoptions and anyone knowing of animal friendly rentals between Vallejo and San Francisco,,she said she could go up to 1500 per month,, If you can't reach her you can contact me also p.m. and I will reach her, thanks Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: FIRE!!!!!
Susan, I am sorry that some of your kitties are still missing - I wish I were close so that I could help them being reunited with you. It must be such a traumatizing experience for them. but I am sure that all will be found and be reuinted with you soon. When maddie (feral kitty) went on missing at a her new adopted house, I thought I would never found her, but after 5 weeks, search after search, I was finally able to trap her in a drop trap -- I was glad that I never gave up a hope. I will be praying that all of them will be safely back in your care very very soon. Hideyo - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffmanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: FIRE! Two of the missing cats -- Buddy and Lil Mister -- are my personal cats, two former feral brothers. (I have their sister YoYo with me right now.) Buddy has been seen inside since the fire but he is really freaked, reverted to feral. Lil Mister has not. Sugar is in the house, also a former feral, and she's pretty smug about not going into those traps we've set. Gustine (also known as Yard Fodder) is a VERY feral lynxpoint siamese girl, a foster, and she has been seen after the fire inside the house. Tuffy is a sweet fearful former feral foster girl, a little tabby. Have not seen her. Widget is a very shy all black kitten, maybe 4 months old. Have not seen her. (She's the only one of the kittens still missing.) There are still 3 outside feral cats, all of whom have been seen. We have traps set inside and out. Going back with a drop trap in a few days to get the outside cats. Planning on camping out there overnight soon to try to get the remaining inside cats. The general consensus is that they are hiding inside the house and, after trapping Rooster overnight and Tanner yesterday, and finding Ember hiding in the burned out basement, I suspect they are all still inside. If I keep going back and keep baiting those traps, eventually I should be able to get them all. No one has been found dead so I have to assume they are alive and in there somewhere. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, I have crossposted to the hyperT group. I can also send to my cousin in L.A. who knows people, but she's out of town until the middle of this month. I am so, so sorry this has happened to you, but so, so happy that none of your kitties were killed in the fire. I have a dumb question: are the five lost cats just lost/hiding in the house in the rubble or are they outside somewhere? Also, are all your personal cats accounted for or are some of them part of the missing five? Sending good vibes your way to find those lost kitties and that you find a place soon to rent until you're able to get settled again. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 11:03:14 AM Subject: Re: FIRE! Just set up a photobucket account with photos of (a) fire damage, (b) missing cats and (c) adoptables in foster care. PLEASE CROSSPOST WIDELY. The link is http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/susan4233/http://s207.photobucketcom/albums/bb3/susan4233/ I will gather more photos as I can but I want to start circulating what I have. Need adoption assistance with cats in foster care. Need good trapping vibes for the ones who are still missing. Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far there are now only 5 cats she has not found as yet,,Susan's really big need is for fosters who can assist with adoptions and anyone knowing of animal friendly rentals between Vallejo and San Francisco,,she said she could go up to 1500 per month,, If you can't reach her you can contact me also p.m. and I will reach her, thanks Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48254/*http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/_ylc=X3oDMTI5MGx2aThyBF9TAzIxMTU1MDAzNTIEX3MDMzk2NTQ1MTAzBHNlYwNCQUJwaWxsYXJfTklfMzYwBHNsawNQcm9kdWN0X3F1ZXN0aW9uX3BhZ2U-?link=listsid=396545469from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q
Well, it depnds on your kitty's weight - let's say your kitty weight about as you use 1mu/kg -so, let's say, if your kitty weights 9lb, its about 4 kg - so you will give him 4 MU - which is 0.4ml in the mixed vial - so it will give you about 2.5 times dosages - but at the same time, I noticed that it works even if not exacty -- so to be economical -- I may give 0.3 ml for each dosage so that I can get 3 times dosages out of one vial. Does it make sense? - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:48 AM Subject: Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q I don't know, but Hideyo will. On 8/7/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank-you. Any idea how many doses in a tube? Thanks! Laurie - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q The feline version is orderable from other countries. It is $1000 for 10 tubes I believe. On 8/7/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Hideyo! Our vet confirmed what you said about developing immunity to interferon. THANK-YOU for this information. She also said the feline version is hard to get and very expensive. Can you provide any insight? Thanks Laurie - Original Message - From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:07 AM Subject: Power of interferon: OT Hi, I just want to let everyone know how impressd I am with how effective interferon works for URIs that is caused by virurs. I have been using feline interferon for many things (felk, FIP, FIV treatment) for the past year or two. Additionally, whenever my kitties have severe or mild URIs, I started using feline interferon right away mainly because I don't want it to develop something more serious like FIP as I noticed that many times, URIs are one of the very first signs I saw in my FIP cases. Anyway, my 5 year old Frankie had developed chronic URIs ever since he received 3 combo vaccinations when he was about 6 months old. anyway, since yesterday, he had developed very severe URIs - green and thick discharge from his nose which would not stop running. He did not act ill fortunately.. but looking at it, I got very scared that reminded me how my Simba who had passed away from FIP a couple of months ago started his symptoms. but anyway, I gave him two shots of interferon yesterday and today, and by tonight,, his nose seems to be s clear, which is amazing. I just wanted to let everyone know in case you may have a simiar situation in the future. good nite, Hideyo -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.comhttp://www.goodsearch.com/ - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.comhttp://www.goodsearch.com/ - powered by Yahoo!
to susan or Kelly: cross posting
Hi, can either of you or someone post the email explaining the situation of Susan's fire and with all the right contact information so that I can cross post the information. I started writing, but was not sure if I had all the contact information as some of the old emails got deleted. thank you. Hideyo
Re: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat
We will do that. Thanks for the websites. I will use them to try to find her owner. I don't think we will ever hear back from the out-of-business vet that my mom left a message for. He still hasn't called and I'm sure our message is low priority. I think she is drinking enough water. My mom says that she estimates the cat is urinating 3 times a day in the litter box. She had another BM this a.m.- formed, but loose, but not diarrhea(that's the third since we took her in on Sat.). I think it's more just the digestive tract trying to get kicked into gear. My mom also has been mixing Wellness wet and dry and she said last night, she eats all the wet, and then will leave the dry, so we think she is "getting full" and deciding to stop eating- which we think is a good sign. The first time I fed herwow-- I'd never seen anything like it, I thought she might choke or throw up (she didn't) because she ate so voraciously...poor thing. She's definitely calmed down with the exciting eating, so that seems like a good sign. She really is a beautiful cat...LH grey with tan splotches and she is sweet as can be. Very docile. She kneads ALL the time and purrs a lot. I think she LOVES the A/C. We leave a tv on for her and my mom has caught her "watching" it. I still haven't heard from my Shamrock contact, but we need to get her to a vet. I am afraid she needs oral antibiotics and not just Terramycin for the eyes- she keeps showing the third eyelid and it's definitely red and irritated. I just want to make sure that what she indeed has is an infection and not something more serious. My mom is going to make an appointment with her ownvet and explain the situation...that we just need the most dire things taken care of now and not an entire $200 vet visit please! An observation: it's funny to me how some of them can survive quite well out there and others, not at all. Monkee was out there at least 6 months and kept himself so well-hidden from humans, so clean (his white was always so white!), and so well-fed, that it took me forever to realize he was stray! He made it through 3 months of a Northern Ky winter that saw lots of snow! He was certainly not malnourished when I took him in-- he was lean and sinewy and strong like a dog. But my mom's cat Tally- with her flea dermatitis- she couldn't have been out but a few days and she was already a dire case with her bald head and open sores! And this poor catI do think it's kind of funny...like Monkee should've taught an "Outdoor Survivalist" class to kitties or something! Monkee didn't want for much when he was out I can tell you that. When he wanted to eat, he ate (a bird, a baby rabbit, etc.) Which was all evident about a week after I took him in and my apartment courtyard bloomed with life...chipmunks, birds, and for the first time since I'd lived there, I saw a baby rabbit in the courtyard that was previously Monkee's "killing fields"!!! It was like a scene out of "Snow White" with all the forest animals out in full-bloom because the black and white killer cat was trapped in the apartment! I don't think this poor cat ate anything while out there that wasn't provided to her by a human; maybe some bugs? Thanks for the insight. -Caroline From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued catDate: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Hi Caroline, The fact that this kitty is in bad shape and that there are no signs looking for her to me says that she wasn't necessarily neglected, but maybe she's been lost for quite a while and hope mayhave been given upin looking for this cat. The right thing to do would be to try to find out who the family is and go from there, keeping in mind that this kitty MIGHT not have been taken good care of, but not necessarily. What if it were your cat and you had been looking for her for two months and had given up hope? You would certainly still want to find her if you could, but after so long, the chances are pretty slim. There are quite a few online lost pet sites thatI wouldlook through. Here are a few that I found: http://www.lost-pets.org/ http://www.findthatpet.com/?gclid=CLmrnf2C5I0CFRjBWAod8AiL0w http://www.lostyourpet.net/default.aspx?countryid=2gclid=CIuP7ZaD5I0CFQcdYwodfkJv0w http://www.petclub.org/ http://www.lostapet.org/ http://www.lostandfound.com/ http://www.petfinder.com/ Bless you for taking this sweet kitty in. Monkee would be so proud of you! She is lucky that you found her. It would probably not hurt her at all to have subQ fluids, if you know how to do it. It's really easy. Is she drinking enough water? Also, you might think about boiling her some chicken and letting her drink the broth from that, and mixing chopped boiled chicken in with her food. She probably would love that.Thank goodness that she is eating and pooping good. That is wonderful!!! :) Wendy "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed
RE: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat
One of my neighbors took in a cat she'd found eating peanuts from her squirrel feeder during the winter. So, I guess pretty much whatever doesn't eat them first is fair game. Diane R. Diane Rosenfeldt Legal Secretary Quarles Brady LLP 411 East Wisconsin Avenue Suite 2040 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53202-4497 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 2:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat We will do that. Thanks for the websites. I will use them to try to find her owner. I don't think we will ever hear back from the out-of-business vet that my mom left a message for. He still hasn't called and I'm sure our message is low priority. I think she is drinking enough water. My mom says that she estimates the cat is urinating 3 times a day in the litter box. She had another BM this a.m.- formed, but loose, but not diarrhea (that's the third since we took her in on Sat.). I think it's more just the digestive tract trying to get kicked into gear. My mom also has been mixing Wellness wet and dry and she said last night, she eats all the wet, and then will leave the dry, so we think she is getting full and deciding to stop eating- which we think is a good sign. The first time I fed herwow-- I'd never seen anything like it, I thought she might choke or throw up (she didn't) because she ate so voraciously...poor thing. She's definitely calmed down with the exciting eating, so that seems like a good sign. She really is a beautiful cat...LH grey with tan splotches and she is sweet as can be. Very docile. She kneads ALL the time and purrs a lot. I think she LOVES the A/C. We leave a tv on for her and my mom has caught her watching it. I still haven't heard from my Shamrock contact, but we need to get her to a vet. I am afraid she needs oral antibiotics and not just Terramycin for the eyes- she keeps showing the third eyelid and it's definitely red and irritated. I just want to make sure that what she indeed has is an infection and not something more serious. My mom is going to make an appointment with her own vet and explain the situation...that we just need the most dire things taken care of now and not an entire $200 vet visit please! An observation: it's funny to me how some of them can survive quite well out there and others, not at all. Monkee was out there at least 6 months and kept himself so well-hidden from humans, so clean (his white was always so white!), and so well-fed, that it took me forever to realize he was stray! He made it through 3 months of a Northern Ky winter that saw lots of snow! He was certainly not malnourished when I took him in-- he was lean and sinewy and strong like a dog. But my mom's cat Tally- with her flea dermatitis- she couldn't have been out but a few days and she was already a dire case with her bald head and open sores! And this poor catI do think it's kind of funny...like Monkee should've taught an Outdoor Survivalist class to kitties or something! Monkee didn't want for much when he was out I can tell you that. When he wanted to eat, he ate (a bird, a baby rabbit, etc.) Which was all evident about a week after I took him in and my apartment courtyard bloomed with life...chipmunks, birds, and for the first time since I'd lived there, I saw a baby rabbit in the courtyard that was previously Monkee's killing fields!!! It was like a scene out of Snow White with all the forest animals out in full-bloom because the black and white killer cat was trapped in the apartment! I don't think this poor cat ate anything while out there that wasn't provided to her by a human; maybe some bugs? Thanks for the insight. -Caroline From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Hi Caroline, The fact that this kitty is in bad shape and that there are no signs looking for her to me says that she wasn't necessarily neglected, but maybe she's been lost for quite a while and hope may have been given up in looking for this cat. The right thing to do would be to try to find out who the family is and go from there, keeping in mind that this kitty MIGHT not have been taken good care of, but not necessarily. What if it were your cat and you had been looking for her for two months and had given up hope? You would certainly still want to find her if you could, but after so long, the chances are pretty slim. There are quite a few online lost pet sites that I would look through. Here are a few that I found:
Re: FIRE!!!!!
Hi Susan, We went through this 4 yrs ago with our largest foster home. It's really a nightmare. Looking back I can see we did a few things wrong. Beating the bushes and calling their names was the wrong thing to do, esp with the more feral cats. Setting traps is really a better idea. You might pick up tips from catsinthebag.org too. The leftover smell of the fire and smoke might discourage them from coming too close to the house - talk about a bad memory! - so maybe setting traps in neighbor's yards might be helpful. A very few neighbors put food and water out on back porches or near bushes where a frightened cat could sneak in and eat and the neighbor would let us know if that happened so we would then set a trap right there. If your neighbors are helpful, that's half the battle. Those 2 things were important to recognize, in hindsight - the home that now smelled like a nightmare and the calm, calculated drawing in of the cats in the surrounding area. Thinking of you and your cats, Janine --- Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two of the missing cats -- Buddy and Lil Mister -- are my personal cats, two former feral brothers. (I have their sister YoYo with me right now.) Buddy has been seen inside since the fire but he is really freaked, reverted to feral. Lil Mister has not. Sugar is in the house, also a former feral, and she's pretty smug about not going into those traps we've set. Gustine (also known as Yard Fodder) is a VERY feral lynxpoint siamese girl, a foster, and she has been seen after the fire inside the house. Tuffy is a sweet fearful former feral foster girl, a little tabby. Have not seen her. Widget is a very shy all black kitten, maybe 4 months old. Have not seen her. (She's the only one of the kittens still missing.) There are still 3 outside feral cats, all of whom have been seen. We have traps set inside and out. Going back with a drop trap in a few days to get the outside cats. Planning on camping out there overnight soon to try to get the remaining inside cats. The general consensus is that they are hiding inside the house and, after trapping Rooster overnight and Tanner yesterday, and finding Ember hiding in the burned out basement, I suspect they are all still inside. If I keep going back and keep baiting those traps, eventually I should be able to get them all. No one has been found dead so I have to assume they are alive and in there somewhere. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, I have crossposted to the hyperT group. I can also send to my cousin in L.A. who knows people, but she's out of town until the middle of this month. I am so, so sorry this has happened to you, but so, so happy that none of your kitties were killed in the fire. I have a dumb question: are the five lost cats just lost/hiding in the house in the rubble or are they outside somewhere? Also, are all your personal cats accounted for or are some of them part of the missing five? Sending good vibes your way to find those lost kitties and that you find a place soon to rent until you're able to get settled again. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 11:03:14 AM Subject: Re: FIRE! Just set up a photobucket account with photos of (a) fire damage, (b) missing cats and (c) adoptables in foster care. PLEASE CROSSPOST WIDELY. The link is http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/susan4233/ I will gather more photos as I can but I want to start circulating what I have. Need adoption assistance with cats in foster care. Need good trapping vibes for the ones who are still missing. Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far there are now only 5 cats she has not found as yet,,Susan's really big need is for fosters who can assist with adoptions and anyone knowing of animal friendly rentals between Vallejo and San Francisco,,she said she could go up to 1500 per month,, If you can't reach her you can contact me also p.m. and I will reach her, thanks Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q
yes. thanks! - Original Message - From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q Well, it depnds on your kitty's weight - let's say your kitty weight about as you use 1mu/kg -so, let's say, if your kitty weights 9lb, its about 4 kg - so you will give him 4 MU - which is 0.4ml in the mixed vial - so it will give you about 2.5 times dosages - but at the same time, I noticed that it works even if not exacty -- so to be economical -- I may give 0.3 ml for each dosage so that I can get 3 times dosages out of one vial. Does it make sense? - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:48 AM Subject: Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q I don't know, but Hideyo will. On 8/7/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank-you. Any idea how many doses in a tube? Thanks! Laurie - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q The feline version is orderable from other countries. It is $1000 for 10 tubes I believe. On 8/7/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Hideyo! Our vet confirmed what you said about developing immunity to interferon. THANK-YOU for this information. She also said the feline version is hard to get and very expensive. Can you provide any insight? Thanks Laurie - Original Message - From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:07 AM Subject: Power of interferon: OT Hi, I just want to let everyone know how impressd I am with how effective interferon works for URIs that is caused by virurs. I have been using feline interferon for many things (felk, FIP, FIV treatment) for the past year or two. Additionally, whenever my kitties have severe or mild URIs, I started using feline interferon right away mainly because I don't want it to develop something more serious like FIP as I noticed that many times, URIs are one of the very first signs I saw in my FIP cases. Anyway, my 5 year old Frankie had developed chronic URIs ever since he received 3 combo vaccinations when he was about 6 months old. anyway, since yesterday, he had developed very severe URIs - green and thick discharge from his nose which would not stop running. He did not act ill fortunately.. but looking at it, I got very scared that reminded me how my Simba who had passed away from FIP a couple of months ago started his symptoms. but anyway, I gave him two shots of interferon yesterday and today, and by tonight,, his nose seems to be s clear, which is amazing. I just wanted to let everyone know in case you may have a simiar situation in the future. good nite, Hideyo -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: FIRE!!!!!
Feliway makes a spray that I like a lot better than the plug in. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:45 PM Subject: Re: FIRE! Thank God, Susan, all but a few have been seen alive. Prayers going out for you to find all 9 (?) of these furbabies. Too bad the electrical isn't working or you could plug in some Feliway...lol. I can't imagine what these kitties are thinking right now, but I know it's good that you are coming around because they know you. Please keep us posted when you are able. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 12:57:40 PM Subject: Re: FIRE! Two of the missing cats -- Buddy and Lil Mister -- are my personal cats, two former feral brothers. (I have their sister YoYo with me right now.) Buddy has been seen inside since the fire but he is really freaked, reverted to feral. Lil Mister has not. Sugar is in the house, also a former feral, and she's pretty smug about not going into those traps we've set. Gustine (also known as Yard Fodder) is a VERY feral lynxpoint siamese girl, a foster, and she has been seen after the fire inside the house. Tuffy is a sweet fearful former feral foster girl, a little tabby. Have not seen her. Widget is a very shy all black kitten, maybe 4 months old. Have not seen her. (She's the only one of the kittens still missing.) There are still 3 outside feral cats, all of whom have been seen. We have traps set inside and out. Going back with a drop trap in a few days to get the outside cats. Planning on camping out there overnight soon to try to get the remaining inside cats. The general consensus is that they are hiding inside the house and, after trapping Rooster overnight and Tanner yesterday, and finding Ember hiding in the burned out basement, I suspect they are all still inside. If I keep going back and keep baiting those traps, eventually I should be able to get them all. No one has been found dead so I have to assume they are alive and in there somewhere. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, I have crossposted to the hyperT group. I can also send to my cousin in L.A. who knows people, but she's out of town until the middle of this month. I am so, so sorry this has happened to you, but so, so happy that none of your kitties were killed in the fire. I have a dumb question: are the five lost cats just lost/hiding in the house in the rubble or are they outside somewhere? Also, are all your personal cats accounted for or are some of them part of the missing five? Sending good vibes your way to find those lost kitties and that you find a place soon to rent until you're able to get settled again. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 11:03:14 AM Subject: Re: FIRE! Just set up a photobucket account with photos of (a) fire damage, (b) missing cats and (c) adoptables in foster care. PLEASE CROSSPOST WIDELY. The link is http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/susan4233/ I will gather more photos as I can but I want to start circulating what I have. Need adoption assistance with cats in foster care. Need good trapping vibes for the ones who are still missing. Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far there are now only 5 cats she has not found as yet,,Susan's really big need is for fosters who can assist with adoptions and anyone knowing of animal friendly rentals between Vallejo and San Francisco,,she said she could go up to 1500 per month,, If you can't reach her you can contact me also p.m. and I will reach her, thanks Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -- Looking for a deal? Find
Re: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat
When cats are severly emaciated, it is best to give them several small meals per day, as opposed to allowing any free feeding. This keeps them from getting sick. I would have a complete blood panel done, also, to verify that her liver / kidneys are functioning ok. Thanks for saving her, Caroline, and thank your mom too. You probably got her right in the nick of time. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat I did a cat rescue on Sat. of a spayed, long-haired female that was clearly a house-cat that had been hanging out in my mom's neighborhood for about 3 weeks. My mom had told the neighbor across the street that I had a foster cat and so he thought I would know what to do once he'd finally determined the cat did not have a home (you know how it goes!). I took one look at her and decided we needed to move fast- she'd already been outside too long. She had a collar on with a rabies tag on it with the vet's number, but by the time we got her in a carrier and I had the collar off (it had rubbed the fur off her neck) the vet's was closed. My mom left a message w/ the vet's, but come Mon. morn., still hadn't heard back. On Mon., she drove past the vet clinic and it's closed- like out of business!!! We were hoping to match up the rabies tag number with the owner, however, my mom is really skittish about actually finding the owner because there's no free newspaper ad looking for her, there's no signs up in the neighborhood, and she was in SUCH bad shape when we found her...? Also, my mom says the vet the cat went to to at least get her rabies shot is not a good one, so she is reluctant to just immediately turn this cat over, even if we do find the owners- which at this point, is not looking promising anyway. We haven't taken her to a vet yet because we thought we would maybe find the owners, and now I am trying to work my Shamrock contact to see if I can get her in with a Shamrock vet who will give us a discounted price. When we found her she had horrible runny eyes- all down her face. She has fleas (of course). We are keeping her in a downstairs room of my mom's house in a crate- which we do let her out of when someone is there because she doesn't do anything- she is SO good; clearly a housecat who was desperate to get back inside, so she will do anything right now (I can handle her easily, she doesn't fight, I can treat her eyes easily, etc. I don't think she even knows how to scratch?!) Her main problem is she is clearly severely malnourished-- she is skin and bones literally. She has dander. I think she would have died this week outside of heat exhaustion, shock, etc., complicated by malnutrition if we hadn't taken her in. We are feeding her Wellness wet food, which I am adding a Colostrum and L-Lysine too, as well as Pet Calm. Thank god I remembered that I had a tube of Nutrical (from Monkee), so I have been mixing that in the wet food too and she just gobbles it up. We are also feeding her Wellness dry food, but it took a while for her to eat it because I don't think she knew how to eat dry cat food. My Shamrock contact gave me a tube of Terramycin to treat her eyes and they are already a lot better. The green discharge has lessened and the overall watering and sneezing is better. She's had two BM's- we had to help the first one along with some Laxatone. The first one was pretty normal, but yesterday's was runny (but that could have been from the laxatone). I just wanted to see if anyone else had advice for how we can improve her nutrition until we can get her into a vet? I've never rescued a cat that was this malnourished before and my mom is just really worried about that, so I really just need some advice- even if it's things I can tell my over-worrying mother to calm her down! Thanks, Caroline -- Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel.
Re: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat
Isn't that the way it is with any critter (even those of us with two legs) when we are starving? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Rosenfeldt, Diane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 2:17 PM Subject: RE: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat One of my neighbors took in a cat she'd found eating peanuts from her squirrel feeder during the winter. So, I guess pretty much whatever doesn't eat them first is fair game. Diane R. Diane Rosenfeldt Legal Secretary Quarles Brady LLP 411 East Wisconsin Avenue Suite 2040 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53202-4497 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 2:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat We will do that. Thanks for the websites. I will use them to try to find her owner. I don't think we will ever hear back from the out-of-business vet that my mom left a message for. He still hasn't called and I'm sure our message is low priority. I think she is drinking enough water. My mom says that she estimates the cat is urinating 3 times a day in the litter box. She had another BM this a.m.- formed, but loose, but not diarrhea (that's the third since we took her in on Sat.). I think it's more just the digestive tract trying to get kicked into gear. My mom also has been mixing Wellness wet and dry and she said last night, she eats all the wet, and then will leave the dry, so we think she is getting full and deciding to stop eating- which we think is a good sign. The first time I fed herwow-- I'd never seen anything like it, I thought she might choke or throw up (she didn't) because she ate so voraciously...poor thing. She's definitely calmed down with the exciting eating, so that seems like a good sign. She really is a beautiful cat...LH grey with tan splotches and she is sweet as can be. Very docile. She kneads ALL the time and purrs a lot. I think she LOVES the A/C. We leave a tv on for her and my mom has caught her watching it. I still haven't heard from my Shamrock contact, but we need to get her to a vet. I am afraid she needs oral antibiotics and not just Terramycin for the eyes- she keeps showing the third eyelid and it's definitely red and irritated. I just want to make sure that what she indeed has is an infection and not something more serious. My mom is going to make an appointment with her own vet and explain the situation...that we just need the most dire things taken care of now and not an entire $200 vet visit please! An observation: it's funny to me how some of them can survive quite well out there and others, not at all. Monkee was out there at least 6 months and kept himself so well-hidden from humans, so clean (his white was always so white!), and so well-fed, that it took me forever to realize he was stray! He made it through 3 months of a Northern Ky winter that saw lots of snow! He was certainly not malnourished when I took him in-- he was lean and sinewy and strong like a dog. But my mom's cat Tally- with her flea dermatitis- she couldn't have been out but a few days and she was already a dire case with her bald head and open sores! And this poor catI do think it's kind of funny...like Monkee should've taught an Outdoor Survivalist class to kitties or something! Monkee didn't want for much when he was out I can tell you that. When he wanted to eat, he ate (a bird, a baby rabbit, etc.) Which was all evident about a week after I took him in and my apartment courtyard bloomed with life...chipmunks, birds, and for the first time since I'd lived there, I saw a baby rabbit in the courtyard that was previously Monkee's killing fields!!! It was like a scene out of Snow White with all the forest animals out in full-bloom because the black and white killer cat was trapped in the apartment! I don't think this poor cat ate anything while out there that wasn't provided to her by a human; maybe some bugs? Thanks for the insight. -Caroline From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat Date: Tue,
Re: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat
When cats are severly emaciated, it is best to give them several small meals per day, as opposed to allowing any free feeding. This keeps them from getting sick. I would have a complete blood panel done, also, to verify that her liver / kidneys are functioning ok. Thanks for saving her, Caroline, and thank your mom too. You probably got her right in the nick of time. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat I did a cat rescue on Sat. of a spayed, long-haired female that was clearly a house-cat that had been hanging out in my mom's neighborhood for about 3 weeks. My mom had told the neighbor across the street that I had a foster cat and so he thought I would know what to do once he'd finally determined the cat did not have a home (you know how it goes!). I took one look at her and decided we needed to move fast- she'd already been outside too long. She had a collar on with a rabies tag on it with the vet's number, but by the time we got her in a carrier and I had the collar off (it had rubbed the fur off her neck) the vet's was closed. My mom left a message w/ the vet's, but come Mon. morn., still hadn't heard back. On Mon., she drove past the vet clinic and it's closed- like out of business!!! We were hoping to match up the rabies tag number with the owner, however, my mom is really skittish about actually finding the owner because there's no free newspaper ad looking for her, there's no signs up in the neighborhood, and she was in SUCH bad shape when we found her...? Also, my mom says the vet the cat went to to at least get her rabies shot is not a good one, so she is reluctant to just immediately turn this cat over, even if we do find the owners- which at this point, is not looking promising anyway. We haven't taken her to a vet yet because we thought we would maybe find the owners, and now I am trying to work my Shamrock contact to see if I can get her in with a Shamrock vet who will give us a discounted price. When we found her she had horrible runny eyes- all down her face. She has fleas (of course). We are keeping her in a downstairs room of my mom's house in a crate- which we do let her out of when someone is there because she doesn't do anything- she is SO good; clearly a housecat who was desperate to get back inside, so she will do anything right now (I can handle her easily, she doesn't fight, I can treat her eyes easily, etc. I don't think she even knows how to scratch?!) Her main problem is she is clearly severely malnourished-- she is skin and bones literally. She has dander. I think she would have died this week outside of heat exhaustion, shock, etc., complicated by malnutrition if we hadn't taken her in. We are feeding her Wellness wet food, which I am adding a Colostrum and L-Lysine too, as well as Pet Calm. Thank god I remembered that I had a tube of Nutrical (from Monkee), so I have been mixing that in the wet food too and she just gobbles it up. We are also feeding her Wellness dry food, but it took a while for her to eat it because I don't think she knew how to eat dry cat food. My Shamrock contact gave me a tube of Terramycin to treat her eyes and they are already a lot better. The green discharge has lessened and the overall watering and sneezing is better. She's had two BM's- we had to help the first one along with some Laxatone. The first one was pretty normal, but yesterday's was runny (but that could have been from the laxatone). I just wanted to see if anyone else had advice for how we can improve her nutrition until we can get her into a vet? I've never rescued a cat that was this malnourished before and my mom is just really worried about that, so I really just need some advice- even if it's things I can tell my over-worrying mother to calm her down! Thanks, Caroline -- Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel.
tshirts stickers
I received my purr for a cure tshirt from the website the other day, can't wait to wear it. I will have to get Papillon off of it first, he thinks it's the cat's meow and is sleeping on it :) I also got a few of the stickers, handed them out to my good friends who thought they were way too cool Now I have to order more for myself, I gave them all away... :( Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
OT: Just Born
Ok, once again, who on the list is using the Just Born for their cats w/ stomatitis, and how why does it help? I just placed an order from one of the vet websites, and I had them toss in some of the powder to try out. Thanks! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
vaccinations
did a bit of research to find out where the original source of this mis-attributed to Jean Dodds 'quotation' came from - it's an article from 2003 - published in Better Nutrition Vexing vaccinations: a tale of too much of a good thing - petcare Better Nutrition, May, 2003 by Ann N. Martin which can be read in full at: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FKA/is_5_65/ai_100046377 There is the oft quoted information in a paragraph above the information about Jean Dodds - (see below), so someone apparently took the paragraph above and attributed it to Dodds. VEXING VACCINATIONS: A TALE OF TOO MUCH OF A GOOD THING by Ann Martin Is your veterinarian still recommending that you have your pet vaccinated on a yearly basis? If so, you might want to reconsider-- especially given the latest information on the problems associated with over-vaccination. Research in recent years indicates that, basically, there's no scientific evidence to support the need for annual vaccinations. Annual vaccinations, a practice started many years ago, lack scientific validity or verification, says veterinarian R. Schultz, PhD, a professor at the Veterinary College at the University of Wisconsin When annual rabies shots became common in the 1950s, pet owners never questioned the vaccine's safety. It helped vanquish the disease, as well as distemper and parvovirus. Following on the heels of this success, veterinary medicine developed more and more vaccinations. However, after many years of administering annual shots, vets began to notice something ominous. A growing number of otherwise healthy cats and dogs were getting cancer and immune-related diseases. Pet owners and veterinary researchers began to question whether these problems were vaccine-related. Cats, for example, were developing fibrosarcomas--a fatal form of cancerous tumor--at the site of the vaccine injection, usually between the shoulder blades. Dogs were also getting cancerous tumors at injection sites and succumbed to immune diseases. My dog, Sarge, previously had a caring owner who vaccinated for everything on a yearly basis without realizing the consequences. Sarge now has discoid lupus, an autoimmune disease with no cure. So what's the link between vaccinations and these diseases? Vaccines are designed to stimulate the immune system, but they do so in a very unnatural way that can overwhelm the body's natural defenses. Donna Starita Mehan, DVM, a holistic veterinarian in Boring, Oregon, explains that as a result of over-vaccination, the body may overreact to normally harmless substances such as common viruses, bacteria, fungi and parasites. This can result in allergies, skin problems and bladder or ear infections--or, in extreme cases, autoimmune diseases or cancer. double dose? Another problem with traditional pet vaccines is the dosage. Veterinarian Jean Dodd, DVM, of Santa Monica, California, notes that to ensure efficacy, manufacturers for years have made vaccine doses 10 times more potent than what is necessary to challenge the immune system. One vaccine producer, Pfizer, tested its one-year rabies vaccine on live animals and discovered it lasted for at least three years. Pfizer sells the identical formula, packaged differently, in different states to satisfy different state vaccination requirements. In addition, be aware that a Chihuahua will get the same amount of a vaccine dose as a Saint Bernard--a one dose fits all formula. For example, a small puppy and a large adult dog are both given 1 cc of a combination vaccine that might contain distemper, parainfluenza and parvo. And seldom, if ever, will your veterinarian lower the dosage. In theory, your veterinarian could lose his license for not administering the full dose, says Martin Goldstein, DVM, of South Salem, New York. Or, he might have to recall all of the pets to whom he gave a substandard dose and revaccinate them at full dosages. changing attitudes About five years ago, veterinary schools began to rethink the conventional wisdom of yearly vaccination protocols due to mounting evidence pointing to the connection between immune diseases, cancers and vaccinations. In January 1998, the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) recommended that cats and dogs be vaccinated only every three years. As of 2003, all 27 veterinary schools in the United States are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. *(Dodd is mentioned below) *** Dodd has studied the pros and cons of yearly vaccinations and has written a number of papers about them. She recommends that only the first shots for puppies and kittens be a modified live virus (MLV). These vaccinations should be given as individual injections over the span of weeks or months. Because first
Re: OT: Just Born
Susan it was Marylyn who recommended it. I got it, but have not been able to get it into MeMe. I have so many supplements to give her and she is beginning to dislike wet food. I hope your guys like it and that it helps. Jane On Aug 7, 2007, at 6:52 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: Ok, once again, who on the list is using the Just Born for their cats w/ stomatitis, and how why does it help? I just placed an order from one of the vet websites, and I had them toss in some of the powder to try out. Thanks! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: Just Born
I use Just Born with Colostrum as a general supplement. It is high in all the things a new kitten needs but is the best source of Colostrum I have. There are other sources but the powder works for Dixie. Come to think about it, she could use some of the ready mixed for a special treat---there have been carpenters in the house this week. Anyway, it boasts the immune system and anything that does that is ok in my book. I also use Transfer Factor for Felines. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 5:52 PM Subject: OT: Just Born Ok, once again, who on the list is using the Just Born for their cats w/ stomatitis, and how why does it help? I just placed an order from one of the vet websites, and I had them toss in some of the powder to try out. Thanks! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: Just Born
Additional: try mixing it in small amounts instead of as much as the can says. Or try making a gravy out of it. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:29 PM Subject: Re: Just Born I use Just Born with Colostrum as a general supplement. It is high in all the things a new kitten needs but is the best source of Colostrum I have. There are other sources but the powder works for Dixie. Come to think about it, she could use some of the ready mixed for a special treat---there have been carpenters in the house this week. Anyway, it boasts the immune system and anything that does that is ok in my book. I also use Transfer Factor for Felines. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 5:52 PM Subject: OT: Just Born Ok, once again, who on the list is using the Just Born for their cats w/ stomatitis, and how why does it help? I just placed an order from one of the vet websites, and I had them toss in some of the powder to try out. Thanks! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
