Re: To Michael Re: Update
Hey Michael, I feed mine Elegant Medleys as a treat, so yes, I think it's fine. It's not the best food, but I don't think it's going to hurt them. I buy the wet and dry Innova Evo online at Pet Food Direct usually. I got a 22% discount the last time I ordered, which was a good deal. The food is expensive, so when you look, don't be too surprised at the price. I pay about $35 before discounts on a 15 lb. bag which lasts me with 4-5 cats about a month. It's worth it. When I started feeding Smookie, our newest kitty from the shelter, the Evo, her coat just blossomed into this gorgeous blue black shiny blanket. I was amazed, which is saying a lot for me. I can also get the food in about 3-4 stores, usually pet boutiques, in Dallas, but since I live in the suburbs, it's cheaper to buy it online and have it shipped rather than drive. I was used to feeding science diet, so when I saw that the food was basically junk, I felt bad, but I didn't know any better. And if we didn't have the money, we wouldn't be able to feed the better foods. It's a shame they are so expensive. We are not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, but we can afford a little extra on the food. And they say more protein means less elimination and less food eaten, but I forget why. Someone else here will know. You can mix the lysine into their Medleys. It's tasteless; they won't even know it's there. Do you have the powder? Other people use different supplements. They will know more about them than I will. I'm really happy that your kitties are eating. They'll probably be back to normal by tomorrow. Quick question: I forgot how you came to test them in the first place. Are they new adoptees or is one of them sick? Please try not to feel responsible for them having FeLV. You didn't give it to them. The best thing you can do for them is to remain stress free yourself as much as possible, because they will pick up on it if you are upset. Every day you have with them is a gift, and one day, we're all going to meet our maker, kitties too. So it may be that the FeLV is not what they pass from, but something else, and you'll have wasted all that time and energy worrying for nothing. You just never know. There is a 22 year old FeLV+ Siamese cat at the Casa de Calmar FeLV Unit at Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah. Can you believe that?!!! I saw her and petted her myself this past February. Have you heard of them? Best Friends uses ImmunoRegulin once a month given via shot intra-muscular, asymptomatic or not. They are really up to date on their stuff too, IMO. Some people here use IR, given different ways, and others use the interferon. They will have good info. on that. I would repost with those two as a subject heading so you're sure to get answers from the people who've used it first hand. You're doing great Michael. I'm impressed with your research skills! Let us know how the vet visit goes and how the last test fares. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
Re: To Michael Re: Update
Higher quality food means less eaten due to cats eat until they are nutritionally full, then stop (theoretically). High content of good meats,less grain, less need for intake. My cats also have done very well on the EVO CORE. Shiniercoats, brighter eyes chronic cats feeling looking better too. I sprinkle the Nutrional Yeast over their food every other day. Yes,these foods will cost more, but you will make up for it w/ better overall health, so less medical bills. Wendy, 15lbs.last one month? My eat about 6lbs.per day. They are like locust w/fur. :) Ah, but they are my little locust.. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update Hey Michael, I feed mine Elegant Medleys as a treat, so yes, I think it's fine. It's not the best food, but I don't think it's going to hurt them. I buy the wet and dry Innova Evo online at Pet Food Direct usually. I got a 22% discount the last time I ordered, which was a good deal. The food is expensive, so when you look, don't be too surprised at the price. I pay about $35 before discounts on a 15 lb. bag which lasts me with 4-5 cats about a month. It's worth it. When I started feeding Smookie, our newest kitty from the shelter, the Evo, her coat just blossomed into this gorgeous blue black shiny blanket. I was amazed, which is saying a lot for me. I can also get the food in about 3-4 stores, usually pet boutiques, in Dallas, but since I live in the suburbs, it's cheaper to buy it online and have it shipped rather than drive. I was used to feeding science diet, so when I saw that the food was basically junk, I felt bad, but I didn't know any better. And if we didn't have the money, we wouldn't be able to feed the better foods. It's a shame they are so expensive. We are not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, but we can afford a little extra on the food. And they say more protein means less elimination and less food eaten, but I forget why. Someone else here will know. You can mix the lysine into their Medleys. It's tasteless; they won't even know it's there. Do you have the powder? Other people use different supplements. They will know more about them than I will. I'm really happy that your kitties are eating. They'll probably be back to normal by tomorrow. Quick question: I forgot how you came to test them in the first place. Are they new adoptees or is one of them sick? Please try not to feel responsible for them having FeLV. You didn't give it to them. The best thing you can do for them is to remain stress free yourself as much as possible, because they will pick up on it if you are upset. Every day you have with them is a gift, and one day, we're all going to meet our maker, kitties too. So it may be that the FeLV is not what they pass from, but something else, and you'll have wasted all that time and energy worrying for nothing. You just never know. There is a 22 year old FeLV+ Siamese cat at the Casa de Calmar FeLV Unit at Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah. Can you believe that?!!! I saw her and petted her myself this past February. Have you heard of them? Best Friends uses ImmunoRegulin once a month given via shot intra-muscular, asymptomatic or not. They are really up to date on their stuff too, IMO. Some people here use IR, given different ways, and others use the interferon. They will have good info. on that. I would repost with those two as a subject heading so you're sure to get answers from the people who've used it first hand. You're doing great Michael. I'm impressed with your research skills! Let us know how the vet visit goes and how the last test fares. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ -- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.
Re: OT: A quiet day...
The gun, the license, and all the gear and money spent to hunt a deer would buy a great amount of meat (for people who need meat to feed their families) at the grocery store... I have hunters in my family. Some with money and some without. The ones without could SAVE money by not hunting, but they love to hunt with their buddies. t glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Guys, Personally, I always enjoy seeing people who hurt animals suffer. I noticed Susan was not getting a lot of feedback on her slam on hunters... I felt like it was a good topic for a quiet afternoon... I thought it was understood ,the types we are talking about, are the people who hunt for sport. To make matters worse,these sorts often have their kids out shooting guns too, by the time the little fellows are able to pick one up. I have seen little kids who are taught to be proud of killing soft furry, doe eyed animals and gorgeous birds...The last thing on their minds is eating what they kill. They would rather eat Fruit Loops and go to Pizza Hut...Anyway, I find that type of parent and child training scary...Kids should be taught to have compassion and to be kind to creatures that are at their mercy... On the other hand, I do try to respect the decision of families that seek to add to their menus and balance out their grocery budget by adding wild game to their freezer. Things are not getting any easier and times are probably getting a lot harder for a lot of people who work very hard to make a living. There are probably other ways to stretch the food budget, but it might take some imagination...a little extra work... Sadly, the way the world is going, going out and killing wildlife is something we did a hundred years ago. It is not something we are going to be able to do a hundred years from now...It is really out of date already...but a lot of people do not know it yet...It is a huge hype ,so someone can make money... Our world is simply shrinking in its habitat for animals as well as for people. It takes eight acres of land to support each individual human being in the world today. Instead of people trying to shoot, poison, stuff, and/or eat every animal they set their eyes on, they need to come up with solutions on how to get more bang out of each acre of land and to cherish and protect all the other species of life. If we do not look at the big picture now, the picture in fifty years will not include any wild animals at all. If deer populations get too large, maybe a form of birth control might be in order? Our deer can also be affected by diseases that make eating their flesh very undesirable...something to consider... so losing them as a food commodity is not like a huge sacrifice... Unfortunately, man has screwed up the natural processes that once kept our deer populations in check and also limited the land mass our wild animals have to live on... I mean, we do not go out and start shooting people when the human population gets too large, or, do we? Which opens up a whole new subject: war... Oh well, but let's not forget: animals have feelings too and they have every positive emotion us humans have. How would we feel if the roles were reversed? How would you feel if you were a deer enjoying a nice afternoon with your family and suddenly you were attacked by crazy, out of control humans with bullets or arrows that tore into your body or a family member standing next to you? Where is empathy in our world today, folks? It is a shame vegetarianism is not for everyone, because it is the most logical way to live today in this over populated world and also the kindest way to take care of our planet. A carefully planned vegetarian diet is also the healthist choice for the human body. One of the best places to go to learn about the advantage of going vegetarian is peta.org Have a good day! Glenda Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: Fwd: Please talk to me
Angela, I'm so sorry for your loss. If your other cats are vaccinated, your chances are very good that your other cats will test negative. Also, the older your cats are the better the chances that they did not pick up the virus. Keeping my fingers crossed for your test results. tonya Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note: forwarded message attached. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please talk to me To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I just laid a wonderful boy to rest last night due to this Cancer. I am at a severe lost. I have two other cats that are being checked today. Prayers needed. All my three boys have had contact for the past three years and I'm very scared. My boy, Midnight, was tested when he was little and the test came back neg., all the sudden, he felt bad (friday) and went down hill rapidly. Please help me! Angela Lewis - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.
Re: T-cyte.....?
Here is the link, I book marked it. It is just a list for FIV treatments. I did find a potential artical but you have to have a paid subscription to read it. http://www.geocities.com/gittleman1/do00011.htm The mention is near the bottom of the page under Thymus extracts. It may or may not be what your cats will get but it does look promising. Sally On 8/23/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sub Q...? H, that means loading up 5cats and driving them 70 miles round trip for each treatment. Not sure that might stress them out as much as it helps. Unless he lets me give them the injections @ home. Not intravenous, but sub q. Thanks Sally! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - *From:* Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:50 PM *Subject:* Re: T-cyte.? The only thing I could find is it is a t cell immunomodulator. It is given by injection SQ weekly for 4 weeks the monthly. Sally On 8/22/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, a couple of days ago I posted that my vet was using this drug on his felv+cats to boost their immune systems. During the next phase of the research, he said I could have my cats on it @ no charge. has anyone heard of it? Thanks! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: T-cyte.....?
You rock, thanks again! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 6:49 AM Subject: Re: T-cyte.? Here is the link, I book marked it. It is just a list for FIV treatments. I did find a potential artical but you have to have a paid subscription to read it. http://www.geocities.com/gittleman1/do00011.htm The mention is near the bottom of the page under Thymus extracts. It may or may not be what your cats will get but it does look promising. Sally On 8/23/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sub Q...? H, that means loading up 5cats and driving them 70 miles round trip for each treatment. Not sure that might stress them out as much as it helps. Unless he lets me give them the injections @ home. Not intravenous, but sub q. Thanks Sally! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:50 PM Subject: Re: T-cyte.? The only thing I could find is it is a t cell immunomodulator. It is given by injection SQ weekly for 4 weeks the monthly. Sally On 8/22/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, a couple of days ago I posted that my vet was using this drug on his felv+cats to boost their immune systems. During the next phase of the research, he said I could have my cats on it @ no charge. has anyone heard of it? Thanks! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: OT - HELP - Bengal Cat Rescue
The PB bengals are safe. I found an adopter for them. I had them posted to the Bengal rescue list. There is a Bengal rescuer in Texas. I am going to help her get approved to pull by TLAC. This is why I didn't go breed specific..or species specific for that matter...I just helped a friend rehome 2 pet chickens safely! That was an interesting one:) On 8/23/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are looking for one in Texas, we have 2 purebreds @ our local kill pound that were dumped due to moving, w/the clock ticking. Both 7 yrs. I will let you know if we get a hold of them. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:16 PM Subject: Re: OT - HELP - Bengal Cat Rescue HELP = ANYBODY out there? - does anyboyd know anything about Bengal Cat rescues in the central USA? Thanks, Gloria At 03:32 PM 8/22/2007, Gloria B. Lane wrote: I know someone here in Little Rock who has a Bengal cat that we're looking for a home or rescue for. Does anyone know anything about the Bengal cat rescues - like in Missouri or Minnesota or wherever? Thanks, Gloria in Arkansas -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings
Yes,exactly. That's why I am going to put them on the outside of the enclosure. Since there is a 2 foot overhang,they should stay fairly dry. I forgot to mention, the master bedroom that runs along the wall of the enclosre is all windows. When the weather is cooler, we open them (they are the old vertical open out type) and just let the cats jump in out, from enclosre to bedroom. No screens on these windows, the enclosure is screened anyway so it doesn't matter. There is also 2 humandoors to it,one from the cat room and one formthe office (felv+suite). I never use this door because I have ''runners. The house is by no means fancy, it was built in 1953 and the office area is an add on. But it was designed for what I needed, so, that's what is important. I would like the sprinkler system that you recommended, tho. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:17 AM Subject: Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings When you put the canvas up, be careful of cords. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings I forgot 3 things: I plan to find some canvas outdoor bliinds that roll downfor when it gets cold in the winter. This for the outside of the enclosure. I never use clumpable litter on the stained concrete in the enclosure litterboxes, only fiber ( FIbre Cycle or Yesterday's News) and clay. Clumpable is used inside in the cat room boxes. Kitties must have a choice. :) And I havea dry erase board on the wall to monitor meds (several cats on permanent meds), food inventory ( I keep several spare bags of dry food housed in plastic totes. I am insecure that way),flea treatments, litterbox, Drinkweel food bowlcleaning schedule ( I am a list person. Must .Have ...My ...List.). They do not have a TV yet w/ cable but the felv+ suite does, along w/their couch... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: OT - HELP - Bengal Cat Rescue
I believe someone posted a link with the information, as I saw it. Here it is again: http://www.geocities.com/bengalrescue/regions.html Not that I mind answering questions...but rather than waiting for a response here...it is a heck of a lot faster to go to Google and type in Bengal Cat Rescue. The link I provided is the first thing that comes up. On 8/22/07, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HELP = ANYBODY out there? - does anyboyd know anything about Bengal Cat rescues in the central USA? Thanks, Gloria At 03:32 PM 8/22/2007, Gloria B. Lane wrote: I know someone here in Little Rock who has a Bengal cat that we're looking for a home or rescue for. Does anyone know anything about the Bengal cat rescues - like in Missouri or Minnesota or wherever? Thanks, Gloria in Arkansas -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: To Michael Re: Update
Quick question: I forgot how you came to test them in the first place.? Are they new adoptees or is one of them sick? Hi Wendy, To answer your question, they ended up being tested because the Vet asked Jeff if he wanted them tested.? He didn't know what to say, so he just said yes.? I guess its fortunate he did.? They're both asymptomatic.?They're actually quite healthy.? I've never?even noticed as much as a runny?nose from any of them.? The only thing I have seen is vomiting, but I'm hoping the new food will help with that...thats not a new issue...they've been doing that since I got them and long before Grizzabella came in and?infected Poppy.? They've been to?the vet several times, no one seems to have an answer other than they seem to be eating too fast.? But they're really not unhealthy...as?a matter of fact, Poppy is 14.5lbs, ack :(? The other two are?7.4 and?7.5, which is a healthy weight for their size. ?I'm going with the Innova EVO food today as soon as I can find that place on their website where its sold locally.? We'll see how that goes, I'll gradually switch it over as recommended. I also stopped by my vet office this morning on my way to work, and gave them the referral form for University of Tennessee CVM.? They seemed very receptive this morning.? The doctor that diagnosed them will be back in the morning and they said they'd give him the form. I suppose it will help that two of the vets at the clinic graduated from UT. I also asked about the prescription formula Missing Link supplement, and they made a note to check.? I mixed the lysine in this morning, and all three ate it!?That made me feel a bit better.? The one that stayed in one spot pretty much for 36 hours also got up and moved around a bit last night.? She even came in the living room and laid down on the couch with Jeff.? They're slowly feeling better from the vaccinations.? I'll keep updating as I get new information.? Thanks guys. -Original Message- From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 9:50 pm Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update Hey Michael, ? I feed mine Elegant Medleys as a treat, so yes, I think it's fine.? It's not the best food, but I don't think it's going to hurt them.? I?buy the wet and dry Innova Evo online at Pet Food Direct usually.? I got a 22% discount the last time I ordered, which was a good deal.? The food is expensive, so when you look, don't be too surprised at the price.? I pay about $35 before discounts on a 15 lb. bag which lasts me with 4-5 cats about a month.? It's worth it.? When I started feeding?Smookie,?our newest kitty from the shelter, the Evo, her coat just blossomed into this gorgeous blue black shiny blanket.? I was amazed, which is saying a lot for me.? I can also get the food in about 3-4 stores, usually pet boutiques,?in Dallas, but since I live in the suburbs, it's cheaper to buy it online and have it shipped rather than drive.? I was used to feeding science diet, so when I saw that the food was basically?junk,?I felt bad, but I didn't know any better.? And if we didn't have the money, we wouldn't be able to feed the better foods.? It's a shame they are so expensive.??We?are not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, but we can afford a little extra on the food.? And they say?more protein means less elimination and less food eaten, but I forget why.? Someone else here will know. ? You can mix the lysine into their Medleys.? It's tasteless; they won't even know it's there.? Do you have the powder?? Other people use different supplements.? They will?know more about them than I will.? I'm really happy that your kitties are eating.? They'll probably be back to normal by tomorrow.? Quick question: I forgot how you came to test them in the first place.? Are they new adoptees or is one of them sick? ? Please try not to feel responsible for them having FeLV.? You didn't give it to them.? The best thing you can do for them is to remain stress free yourself as much as possible, because they will pick up on it if you are upset.? Every day you have with them is a gift, and one day, we're all going to meet our maker, kitties too.? So it may be that the FeLV is not what they pass from, but something else, and you'll have wasted all that time and energy worrying for nothing.? You just never know.? There is a 22 year old FeLV+ Siamese cat at the Casa de Calmar FeLV Unit at Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah.? Can you believe that?!!!? I saw her and petted her myself this past February.? Have you heard of them?? Best Friends uses ImmunoRegulin once a month given via shot intra-muscular, asymptomatic or not.? They are really up to date on their stuff too, IMO.? Some people here use IR, given different ways,?and others use the interferon.? They will have good info. on that.? I would repost with those two as a subject heading so you're sure to get answers from the people
Re: OT: A quiet day...
Sorry, but I don't think Peta is a good source for *anything*. I'm an omnivore, but my cats are obligate carnivores. Which means they eat meat based food and always will. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: OT - HELP - Bengal Cat Rescue
No offense taken. I did that, what I was asking was if you know anything about if they're good rescues or not. Guess I was too subtle. So the question is still on the table..thanks - Gloria On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I believe someone posted a link with the information, as I saw it. Here it is again: http://www.geocities.com/bengalrescue/regions.html Not that I mind answering questions...but rather than waiting for a response here...it is a heck of a lot faster to go to Google and type in Bengal Cat Rescue. The link I provided is the first thing that comes up. On 8/22/07, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HELP = ANYBODY out there? - does anyboyd know anything about Bengal Cat rescues in the central USA? Thanks, Gloria At 03:32 PM 8/22/2007, Gloria B. Lane wrote: I know someone here in Little Rock who has a Bengal cat that we're looking for a home or rescue for. Does anyone know anything about the Bengal cat rescues - like in Missouri or Minnesota or wherever? Thanks, Gloria in Arkansas -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: OT - HELP - Bengal Cat Rescue
I have heard great things about Sal and Doris Vitale, the national contacts. On 8/23/07, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense taken. I did that, what I was asking was if you know anything about if they're good rescues or not. Guess I was too subtle. So the question is still on the table..thanks - Gloria On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I believe someone posted a link with the information, as I saw it. Here it is again: http://www.geocities.com/bengalrescue/regions.html Not that I mind answering questions...but rather than waiting for a response here...it is a heck of a lot faster to go to Google and type in Bengal Cat Rescue. The link I provided is the first thing that comes up. On 8/22/07, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HELP = ANYBODY out there? - does anyboyd know anything about Bengal Cat rescues in the central USA? Thanks, Gloria At 03:32 PM 8/22/2007, Gloria B. Lane wrote: I know someone here in Little Rock who has a Bengal cat that we're looking for a home or rescue for. Does anyone know anything about the Bengal cat rescues - like in Missouri or Minnesota or wherever? Thanks, Gloria in Arkansas -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings
Your enclosure sounds really cool. I don't think my HOA would go for it and I don't want to draw any more attention to the number of cats I have than necessary. (They state you can have a Reasonable number of pets..well, I think 10 is reasonable..or 15...:) On 8/23/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes,exactly. That's why I am going to put them on the outside of the enclosure. Since there is a 2 foot overhang,they should stay fairly dry. I forgot to mention, the master bedroom that runs along the wall of the enclosre is all windows. When the weather is cooler, we open them (they are the old vertical open out type) and just let the cats jump in out, from enclosre to bedroom. No screens on these windows, the enclosure is screened anyway so it doesn't matter. There is also 2 humandoors to it,one from the cat room and one formthe office (felv+suite). I never use this door because I have ''runners. The house is by no means fancy, it was built in 1953 and the office area is an add on. But it was designed for what I needed, so, that's what is important. I would like the sprinkler system that you recommended, tho. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:17 AM Subject: Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings When you put the canvas up, be careful of cords. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings I forgot 3 things: I plan to find some canvas outdoor bliinds that roll downfor when it gets cold in the winter. This for the outside of the enclosure. I never use clumpable litter on the stained concrete in the enclosure litterboxes, only fiber ( FIbre Cycle or Yesterday's News) and clay. Clumpable is used inside in the cat room boxes. Kitties must have a choice. :) And I havea dry erase board on the wall to monitor meds (several cats on permanent meds), food inventory ( I keep several spare bags of dry food housed in plastic totes. I am insecure that way),flea treatments, litterbox, Drinkweel food bowlcleaning schedule ( I am a list person. Must .Have ...My ...List.). They do not have a TV yet w/ cable but the felv+ suite does, along w/their couch... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
I am so CONFUSSED!!
I have a cat that is jst over one year old. About a week to a week and a half ago I noticed him hurtin and not eating. I had to wait until today to take him to the vet due to money issues. I just found out that he has feline luekemia. And i am so hurt. I am not quite sure what to do or need to do. He is not eating or drinking. My vet told me to feed him baby food which is what I am doing. He eats very little. the vet also has given him a prescription for clavamox for fever. Nebber got way too spastic to do any more blood work or test today so I must take him back in a couple of weeks when he is feeling better. But in the mean time, I need some sort of advice of how to help him and me to deal with this. I can not think about losing him. If some one could give me a little advice on what to do I would be grateful. Thanks, Jessica - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.
RE: I am so CONFUSSED!!
Sorry about the bad diagnosis, Jessica. There are lots of good people on this list who will help you out in greater detail, but here's a couple things to help him out now. First, look at the old posts on this list starting on Tuesday. We've had a couple of new people come on as frantic as you are, and there's been a lot of good advice here the past couple days. And second, just make sure he eats something, even if you have to force him. They can get fatty liver disease if they don't eat enough -- that is usually fixable but it's best not to have to worry about it in the first place. Most cats really love Kentucky Fried Chicken, skin and bones removed, white meat if possible, and make sure it's warm and smelly. It's something about those herbs and spices they use. If he continues not to eat very much, you might want to call your vet and ask him to prescribe some A/D food -- most cats seem to really like it, it's packed with nutrients, can be fed with a syringe if necessary, and is by prescription only. Hope this helps with your boy, and I'm sure more people will chime in shortly! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jessica Merchen Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: I am so CONFUSSED!! I have a cat that is jst over one year old. About a week to a week and a half ago I noticed him hurtin and not eating. I had to wait until today to take him to the vet due to money issues. I just found out that he has feline luekemia. And i am so hurt. I am not quite sure what to do or need to do. He is not eating or drinking. My vet told me to feed him baby food which is what I am doing. He eats very little. the vet also has given him a prescription for clavamox for fever. Nebber got way too spastic to do any more blood work or test today so I must take him back in a couple of weeks when he is feeling better. But in the mean time, I need some sort of advice of how to help him and me to deal with this. I can not think about losing him. If some one could give me a little advice on what to do I would be grateful. Thanks, Jessica Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48246/*http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/; _ylc=X3oDMTE5cDF2bXZzBF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDZ3JlZW4tY2V udGVy This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: I am so CONFUSSED!!
Hi Jessica I am sorry you had to find us this way but this is the right place to come... First you need to work on the realization that FeLV probably is terminal... If he is in pain it may be a cancer I would recommend getting him on human grade interferon which is very inexpensive if you can find a vet that has a big block of it in his freezer and can mix up a small bottle of it for you... It tastes like water and is easy to give and sometimes can do miracles... The very least it seems to make them feel better and start eating I hope the best for you and your kitty and you still have years left together... Tad Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Sorry about the bad diagnosis, Jessica. There are lots of good people on this list who will help you out in greater detail, but here's a couple things to help him out now. First, look at the old posts on this list starting on Tuesday. We've had a couple of new people come on as frantic as you are, and there's been a lot of good advice here the past couple days. And second, just make sure he eats something, even if you have to force him. They can get fatty liver disease if they don't eat enough -- that is usually fixable but it's best not to have to worry about it in the first place. Most cats really love Kentucky Fried Chicken, skin and bones removed, white meat if possible, and make sure it's warm and smelly. It's something about those herbs and spices they use. If he continues not to eat very much, you might want to call your vet and ask him to prescribe some A/D food -- most cats seem to really like it, it's packed with nutrients, can be fed with a syringe if necessary, and is by prescription only. Hope this helps with your boy, and I'm sure more people will chime in shortly! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jessica Merchen Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: I am so CONFUSSED!! I have a cat that is jst over one year old. About a week to a week and a half ago I noticed him hurtin and not eating. I had to wait until today to take him to the vet due to money issues. I just found out that he has feline luekemia. And i am so hurt. I am not quite sure what to do or need to do. He is not eating or drinking. My vet told me to feed him baby food which is what I am doing. He eats very little. the vet also has given him a prescription for clavamox for fever. Nebber got way too spastic to do any more blood work or test today so I must take him back in a couple of weeks when he is feeling better. But in the mean time, I need some sort of advice of how to help him and me to deal with this. I can not think about losing him. If some one could give me a little advice on what to do I would be grateful. Thanks, Jessica Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48246/*http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/;_ylc=X3oDMTE5cDF2bXZzBF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDZ3JlZW4tY2VudGVy This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: I am so CONFUSSED!!
Even if he is not eating, if you can get a tablespoon of Nutrical in your cat each day, you will stave off fatty liver disease. Nutrical is a high calorie food supplement that comes in a gel form you squeeze out of a tube-- very easy to mix into wet food. You can get a tube of Nutrical from your vet, or most Pet Supply Stores now carry it, just ask. If he is eating baby food, then you should have no problem. Add it to the baby food and mix it up. When my cat was not eating (although he did end up dying from FelV and Cancer), my vet said she wasn't so concerned about his not eating as long as he was getting a tablespoon of Nutrical everyday. I hope this helps. -Caroline From: Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: I am so CONFUSSED!!Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:12:46 -0400 Hi Jessica I am sorry you had to find us this way but this is the right place to come...First you need to work on the realization that FeLV probably is terminal...If he is in pain it may be a cancerI would recommend getting him on human grade interferon which is very inexpensiveif you can find a vet that has a big block of it in his freezer and can mix up a small bottleof it for you... It tastes like water and is easy to give and sometimes can do miracles...The very least it seems to make them feel better and start eatingI hope the best for you and your kitty and you still have years left together...TadRosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Sorry about the bad diagnosis, Jessica. There are lots of good people on this list who will help you out in greater detail, but here's a couple things to help him out now. First, look at the old posts on this list starting on Tuesday. We've had a couple of new people come on as frantic as you are, and there's been a lot of good advice here the past couple days. And second, just make sure he eats something, even if you have to force him. They can get fatty liver disease if they don't eat enough -- that is usually fixable but it's best not to have to worry about it in the first place.Most cats really loveKentucky Fried Chicken, skin and bones removed, white meat if possible, and make sure it's warm and "smelly." It's something about those herbs and spices they use. If he continues not to eat very much, you might want to call your vet and ask him to prescribe some A/D food -- most cats seem to really like it, it's packed with nutrients, can be fed with a syringe if necessary, and is by prescription only. Hope this helps with your boy, and I'm sure more people will chime in shortly! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jessica MerchenSent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:50 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: I am so CONFUSSED!!I have a cat that is jst over one year old. About a week to a week and a half ago I noticed him hurtin and not eating. I had to wait until today to take him to the vet due to money issues. I just found out that he has feline luekemia. And i am so hurt. I am not quite sure what to do or need to do. He is not eating or drinking. My vet told me to feed him baby food which is what I am doing. He eats very little. the vet also has given him a prescription for clavamoxfor fever.Nebber got way too spastic to do any more blood work or test today so I must take him back in a couple of weeks when he is feeling better. But in the mean time, I need some sort of advice of how to help him and me to deal with this. I can not think about losing him. If some one could give me a little advice on what to do I would be grateful. Thanks, Jessica Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more .then map the best route!
Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings
Well, Kelly, maybe someday you will be able to move and have some land w/more say so... :) You are always welcome to stop by and see the enclosure, Julia built it, (you know Julia from Adoption days). And while here you can scratch some furry little heads. Just give me warning so I can make sure they have a clean room. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:50 AM Subject: Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings Your enclosure sounds really cool. I don't think my HOA would go for it and I don't want to draw any more attention to the number of cats I have than necessary. (They state you can have a Reasonable number of pets..well, I think 10 is reasonable..or 15...:) On 8/23/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes,exactly. That's why I am going to put them on the outside of the enclosure. Since there is a 2 foot overhang,they should stay fairly dry. I forgot to mention, the master bedroom that runs along the wall of the enclosre is all windows. When the weather is cooler, we open them (they are the old vertical open out type) and just let the cats jump in out, from enclosre to bedroom. No screens on these windows, the enclosure is screened anyway so it doesn't matter. There is also 2 humandoors to it,one from the cat room and one formthe office (felv+suite). I never use this door because I have ''runners. The house is by no means fancy, it was built in 1953 and the office area is an add on. But it was designed for what I needed, so, that's what is important. I would like the sprinkler system that you recommended, tho. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:17 AM Subject: Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings When you put the canvas up, be careful of cords. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings I forgot 3 things: I plan to find some canvas outdoor bliinds that roll downfor when it gets cold in the winter. This for the outside of the enclosure. I never use clumpable litter on the stained concrete in the enclosure litterboxes, only fiber ( FIbre Cycle or Yesterday's News) and clay. Clumpable is used inside in the cat room boxes. Kitties must have a choice. :) And I havea dry erase board on the wall to monitor meds (several cats on permanent meds), food inventory ( I keep several spare bags of dry food housed in plastic totes. I am insecure that way),flea treatments, litterbox, Drinkweel food bowlcleaning schedule ( I am a list person. Must .Have ...My ...List.). They do not have a TV yet w/ cable but the felv+ suite does, along w/their couch... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
update on Percival AKAS Percy
Well, it is naptime now @ Chez Mew,and things are quiet in the felv+suite. Percy just polished off the last of the moist food, he seems to be the clean up kitty. Remember, in the morning they all get their own bowl full of moist food goodness,and normally if it is not all eaten by 1pm I toss it out. (I put it out about 6am) I am usually home by then from completeing any morning nanny rounds I have 2 clients that I clean their catteries for them daily. Anyway, Princess Naughty Lola has accepted Percy, as well as Ursula. Ursula is back on top of the couch on her favorite pillow instead of hiding behind it. I guess she thought she was kinda holding her breath and maybe he would go away, but you know cats, they are never wanting to be put out for long. Lillian is still sniffing Percy but he is not allowed to sniff her, and he doesn't try because he doesn't want his noggin bopped anymore :( Plus Percy keeps lounging in her favorite baby blue furry donut bed, so, he is on her short list until further notice. Papillon is chillin' on a rug in the bathroom. He has called a recess on Percy hating, but he concerns me today. He is not as vocal as usual, but his lymph nodes are not swollen (they come and they go). He is quite the little singer when he feels up to it. However, when I go to pet him,and feel his fine soft furrage, he still grabs my hand and bites it while bunny kicking it. So, I guess he is ok. A, a kitty only a krazy kat mommy could love... :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
double pos.
I haven't had time to pester my vet w/questions about Percy, who is double pos. (felv+ / fiv+). Does anyone have any special advice for double pos.cats? Or is it pretty much the same protacol as w/felv+? Just curious. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings
I love your setup. Dixie is now feeling very neglected. I would not give up the sprinkler system for anything else in the house.even though the contractor tried his best to keep it from happening. Don't know why. He is a has been anyway. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:46 AM Subject: Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings Yes,exactly. That's why I am going to put them on the outside of the enclosure. Since there is a 2 foot overhang,they should stay fairly dry. I forgot to mention, the master bedroom that runs along the wall of the enclosre is all windows. When the weather is cooler, we open them (they are the old vertical open out type) and just let the cats jump in out, from enclosre to bedroom. No screens on these windows, the enclosure is screened anyway so it doesn't matter. There is also 2 humandoors to it,one from the cat room and one formthe office (felv+suite). I never use this door because I have ''runners. The house is by no means fancy, it was built in 1953 and the office area is an add on. But it was designed for what I needed, so, that's what is important. I would like the sprinkler system that you recommended, tho. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:17 AM Subject: Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings When you put the canvas up, be careful of cords. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings I forgot 3 things: I plan to find some canvas outdoor bliinds that roll downfor when it gets cold in the winter. This for the outside of the enclosure. I never use clumpable litter on the stained concrete in the enclosure litterboxes, only fiber ( FIbre Cycle or Yesterday's News) and clay. Clumpable is used inside in the cat room boxes. Kitties must have a choice. :) And I havea dry erase board on the wall to monitor meds (several cats on permanent meds), food inventory ( I keep several spare bags of dry food housed in plastic totes. I am insecure that way),flea treatments, litterbox, Drinkweel food bowlcleaning schedule ( I am a list person. Must .Have ...My ...List.). They do not have a TV yet w/ cable but the felv+ suite does, along w/their couch... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings
A, Dixie need not feel neglected.. She has the best mommy in the world! And what kitty could ask for more? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings I love your setup. Dixie is now feeling very neglected. I would not give up the sprinkler system for anything else in the house.even though the contractor tried his best to keep it from happening. Don't know why. He is a has been anyway. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:46 AM Subject: Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings Yes,exactly. That's why I am going to put them on the outside of the enclosure. Since there is a 2 foot overhang,they should stay fairly dry. I forgot to mention, the master bedroom that runs along the wall of the enclosre is all windows. When the weather is cooler, we open them (they are the old vertical open out type) and just let the cats jump in out, from enclosre to bedroom. No screens on these windows, the enclosure is screened anyway so it doesn't matter. There is also 2 humandoors to it,one from the cat room and one formthe office (felv+suite). I never use this door because I have ''runners. The house is by no means fancy, it was built in 1953 and the office area is an add on. But it was designed for what I needed, so, that's what is important. I would like the sprinkler system that you recommended, tho. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:17 AM Subject: Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings When you put the canvas up, be careful of cords. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: Re: my enclosure:I forgot somethings I forgot 3 things: I plan to find some canvas outdoor bliinds that roll downfor when it gets cold in the winter. This for the outside of the enclosure. I never use clumpable litter on the stained concrete in the enclosure litterboxes, only fiber ( FIbre Cycle or Yesterday's News) and clay. Clumpable is used inside in the cat room boxes. Kitties must have a choice. :) And I havea dry erase board on the wall to monitor meds (several cats on permanent meds), food inventory ( I keep several spare bags of dry food housed in plastic totes. I am insecure that way),flea treatments, litterbox, Drinkweel food bowlcleaning schedule ( I am a list person. Must .Have ...My ...List.). They do not have a TV yet w/ cable but the felv+ suite does, along w/their couch... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
RE: I am so CONFUSSED!!
Jessica, I'm not going to have much info for you on FeLV other than you've come to the right place. These people here have tried many different options and treatments. As for your cat being spastic at the vet, try giving him Rescue Remedy (you can buy it in the headache section at places like Walgreen's). Many people here have found that it is a great way to calm down the kitties (and themselves) when they are going into stressful situations. I haven't had the chance to try it in a stressful situation. When I tried it out on excited cats (just overly playful cats), it didn't work, but every cat is different. This might work for you. Also, a prescription of fluoxetine might work for him instead. This is an anti-anxiety drug (Prozac) that one of mine takes occasionally, and it is miraculous. I've also used prescription sedatives (such as Ace and a type of Valium), but I don't like to use those if I don't have to. I hope these are some ideas to help your vet trips become less stressful for you guys. Good luck! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: I am so CONFUSSED!! Even if he is not eating, if you can get a tablespoon of Nutrical in your cat each day, you will stave off fatty liver disease. Nutrical is a high calorie food supplement that comes in a gel form you squeeze out of a tube-- very easy to mix into wet food. You can get a tube of Nutrical from your vet, or most Pet Supply Stores now carry it, just ask. If he is eating baby food, then you should have no problem. Add it to the baby food and mix it up. When my cat was not eating (although he did end up dying from FelV and Cancer), my vet said she wasn't so concerned about his not eating as long as he was getting a tablespoon of Nutrical everyday. I hope this helps. -Caroline _ From: Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: I am so CONFUSSED!! Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:12:46 -0400 Hi Jessica I am sorry you had to find us this way but this is the right place to come... First you need to work on the realization that FeLV probably is terminal... If he is in pain it may be a cancer I would recommend getting him on human grade interferon which is very inexpensive if you can find a vet that has a big block of it in his freezer and can mix up a small bottle of it for you... It tastes like water and is easy to give and sometimes can do miracles... The very least it seems to make them feel better and start eating I hope the best for you and your kitty and you still have years left together... Tad Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Sorry about the bad diagnosis, Jessica. There are lots of good people on this list who will help you out in greater detail, but here's a couple things to help him out now. First, look at the old posts on this list starting on Tuesday. We've had a couple of new people come on as frantic as you are, and there's been a lot of good advice here the past couple days. And second, just make sure he eats something, even if you have to force him. They can get fatty liver disease if they don't eat enough -- that is usually fixable but it's best not to have to worry about it in the first place. Most cats really love Kentucky Fried Chicken, skin and bones removed, white meat if possible, and make sure it's warm and smelly. It's something about those herbs and spices they use. If he continues not to eat very much, you might want to call your vet and ask him to prescribe some A/D food -- most cats seem to really like it, it's packed with nutrients, can be fed with a syringe if necessary, and is by prescription only. Hope this helps with your boy, and I'm sure more people will chime in shortly! Diane R. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jessica Merchen Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: I am so CONFUSSED!! I have a cat that is jst over one year old. About a week to a week and a half ago I noticed him hurtin and not eating. I had to wait until today to take him to the vet due to money issues. I just found out that he has feline luekemia. And i am so hurt. I am not quite sure what to do or need to do. He is not eating or drinking. My vet told me to feed him baby food which is what I am doing. He eats very little. the vet also has given him a prescription for clavamox for fever. Nebber got way too spastic to do any more blood work or test today so I must take him back in a couple of weeks when he is feeling better. But in the mean time, I need some sort of advice of how to help him and me to deal with this. I can not think about losing him. If some one could give me a little advice on what to do I would be grateful. Thanks, Jessica _ Park yourself in front of a world
Re: I am so CONFUSSED!!
Hi Jessica Getting some Nutrical into him is a good idea if you cannot get him to eat or drink anything else. You can put the gel on the tip of his nose or his paw so that he will lick it off. Can you manage to give him the Clavamox? I hope that you can get him to eat, or at least get some Nutrical into him, that is the first step and if you can accomplish that it is a good beginning. We are all rooting for the two of you. Jane On Aug 23, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Jessica Merchen wrote: I have a cat that is jst over one year old. About a week to a week and a half ago I noticed him hurtin and not eating. I had to wait until today to take him to the vet due to money issues. I just found out that he has feline luekemia. And i am so hurt. I am not quite sure what to do or need to do. He is not eating or drinking. My vet told me to feed him baby food which is what I am doing. He eats very little. the vet also has given him a prescription for clavamox for fever. Nebber got way too spastic to do any more blood work or test today so I must take him back in a couple of weeks when he is feeling better. But in the mean time, I need some sort of advice of how to help him and me to deal with this. I can not think about losing him. If some one could give me a little advice on what to do I would be grateful. Thanks, Jessica Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.
Caroline
How did the transfer go? How did Nosey react to her 'mother'? How are you and your mom doing? Hoping it was a very happy ending. Jane
RE: Caroline- Re: Rescue Cat's Reuniting
Oh yes, an additional update. The transfer went well. I don't think her owner (it was the husband that picked her up) knew Nosey could function so well as she did with us. He saw the room she stayed in and we told him that she stayed in her crate at night (my mom is a firm believer in crate-training cats- her cat Tally sleeps in her crate every night and she LOVES that thing). He seemed very surprised and asked how she did and I told him "she loved it!" She was perfect.., the crate became her security and she would go take naps in it in the middle of the day with the door of the crate open (go figure). He paid us for more than what the vet bill was (as compensation for food, etc). Nosey didn't seem to recognize him and she wasn't really comfortable with him instantly...she just kept rubbing up against me and my mom and coming up to us. But after a few minutes she was fine with him. He said that Nosey will definitely be an indoor cat now and she gets to "join her mom in the big house now," so that made us feel better. Also, this is the SECOND TIME Nosey ran away!!! I don't think they want to go thru this again, so she's movin' on up! We told them about her being deathly afraid of storms and I honestly don't think he knew because she spent most of her time in the garage, on their property or porch. I suspect that is what led to her running away to begin with... The most shocking thing we found out is this... he told us that Nosey is 12 or 13 years old! My mom and I freaked out!!! The vet said she was maybe 5, but it was SOhard to tell because she was skin and bones. But that knowledge made me feel a little better about her skin and bones conditionbecause yes, she was greatly malnourished and obviously too old to be roaming outside in the hottest summer on record, but clearly some of it was due to old age.But at that, my mom and I both knew she needed to be back home with her cat mom and cat brother, living life to ripe old age, and now that these people see they need to take closer care of their aging cats, they will do it. They have a lot of money-- they also own a 43 acre farm in S. Indiana with cows, goats, sheep, etc.One of his cows was in labor yesterday and he's experienced with animal husbandry, so they are definitely caring, knowledgeable and intelligent people. Since they moved Nosey's mom (who is either 13 or 14) in the house about a year ago because she developed an Upper Resp. Infection, I know they will do the same for Nosey now. I got an email from the wife (the attorney) this a.m. telling me that Nosey adjusted well and she spent most of the evening in the husband's lap!!! (she did not do that with my mom and I...?). However, Nosey's mother (the cat) was not happy to see her and Nosey felt the same, so they just avoided each other (my guess is that the mother had this huge house to herself for a year and was not happy to see that her baby was now there to invade it!) Nosey ate fine and spent the a.m. in the wife's lap while she ate breakfast! So, Nosey knows she's home!!! She did also ask how I got her work email,...so I finally fessed up to my "detective" work and she was totally fine with it and we engaged in some other chit-chat, as I think she finally realized I was a lawyer too! My mom and I are happy with our work.A lot of people don't want to help a lost cat in need because they are afraid they will always get "stuck" with it and then your "brood" becomes limitless. We feel like we proved this wrong and we are proud of ourselves for that. Next up, I am trying to assist the poor old man that I met who lost his Siamese. I sent him the list of Wendy's lost pet websites and he was really appreciative. However, it is time for me to get back to focusing on my Foster Kitty and finally getting home to her at a decent hour! Thanks for everyone's help. -Caroline From:Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject:CarolineDate:Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:30:37 -0400How did the transfer go? How did Nosey react to her 'mother'?How are you and your mom doing?Hoping it was a very happy ending.Jane Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more .then map the best route!
Re: I am so CONFUSSED!!
Oh yes, I forgot that, if you can't get the Nutrical in him with food or baby food, for me and my cat, putting it on his nose worked like a charm. I would put a whole glob of it on his nose- covering the skin/fleshy part, and even some of the fury part, and he would lick it off every time. He hated having something on his perfect pink nosey (oh I miss him!). Anyway, I swear I could get a whole teaspoon, if not more, in him by doing this 3 times in a row. So for a while, I was able to easily get a tablespoon into Monkee when we were going thru this. -Caroline From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: I am so CONFUSSED!!Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:28:18 -0400Hi Jessica Getting some Nutrical into him is a good idea if you cannot get him to eat or drink anything else. You can put the gel on the tip of his nose or his paw so that he will lick it off. Can you manage to give him the Clavamox? I hope that you can get him to eat, or at least get some Nutrical into him, that is the first step and if you can accomplish that it is a good beginning. We are all rooting for the two of you. Jane On Aug 23, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Jessica Merchen wrote: I have a cat that is jst over one year old. About a week to a week and a half ago I noticed him hurtin and not eating. I had to wait until today to take him to the vet due to money issues. I just found out that he has feline luekemia. And i am so hurt. I am not quite sure what to do or need to do. He is not eating or drinking. My vet told me to feed him baby food which is what I am doing. He eats very little. the vet also has given him a prescription for clavamoxfor fever.Nebber got way too spastic to do any more blood work or test today so I must take him back in a couple of weeks when he is feeling better. But in the mean time, I need some sort of advice of how to help him and me to deal with this. I can not think about losing him. If some one could give me a little advice on what to do I would be grateful. Thanks, Jessica Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here.
OT: Any 1 Living in CA- Lost Cat
I wanted to get this out to the Felv group because I know everyone is spread all over the county and there are some of you in California. I know a lot of you have shelters, do rescues, and/or work with shelters, so I thought this group would just be a good resource because you just never know... This lady emailed my mom in response to our lost pet ad placed in the newspaper for our Rescue Cat, Nosey. But since we have gotten Nosey home, my mom wanted to see if I could help this lady. I emailed her Wendy's list of websites to post her lost cat on this a.m. I haven't heard back from her yet tho. I have pictures of her grey and white cat (in the picture, it's wearing a pink collar), in my inbox, so if anyone thinks they have a lead and wants the pictures, let me know and I will forward them OFF LIST. I had to remove the attached pix from this email so that it would go through to the group because I don't think the List Serve accepts attachments. Just keep your eyes and ears open I guess...especially anyone living in California. Thanks! -Caroline Hi, I live in California. I know it may be ridiculous but I have been looking for my cat for 2 months now. No sign of her anywhere. I have looked high and low. I know that some neighbors moved about the time she disappeared, but have no idea where they moved to. I am attaching a photo of her. She is a gray and white tuxedo cat with 6 toes on her front paws. Her face is prettydistinct. Thank you for checking, Karen ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more .then map the best route!
RE: Caroline- Re: Rescue Cat's Reuniting
Great news Caroline! If you find a home for your foster kitty, let me know how you did if you do! I've got two fosters that need homes, and I'm certain it will be very difficult to find what I consider a suitable home around here. I want to find them homes right now because there's another stray that needs my help, but I can't take in another until I find a home for at least one of these guys. The stray is blind in one eye and lives in my mom's bushes. She thinks the neighbors (the ones who yell at their kids-I've mentioned them before) are the ones who feed it. They have several outside cats that they never let in that they feed from time to time, but nothing healthy, no shots, no neuter/spay, etc. They are in are card club, I've been to their house, so I'm familiar with their cat situation. This poor guy is so friendly with me-he always comes out of the bushes when I'm around and meows at my car when I leave. It's heartbreaking. He's so skinny! I'll pick up some dewormer for him today. Sorry to commandeer your story! I'm so happy for Nosey! Yea!! As for the mom cat not liking Nosey, whenever my cats, even the bestest of friends, are gone for a while (like to the vet), they always hiss and swat at each other for several days. I think it's the different smells that they are adjusting to. Then they fall back into the old routine-so I wouldn't worry about that too much. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Caroline- Re: Rescue Cat's Reuniting Oh yes, an additional update. The transfer went well. I don't think her owner (it was the husband that picked her up) knew Nosey could function so well as she did with us. He saw the room she stayed in and we told him that she stayed in her crate at night (my mom is a firm believer in crate-training cats- her cat Tally sleeps in her crate every night and she LOVES that thing). He seemed very surprised and asked how she did and I told him she loved it! She was perfect.., the crate became her security and she would go take naps in it in the middle of the day with the door of the crate open (go figure). He paid us for more than what the vet bill was (as compensation for food, etc). Nosey didn't seem to recognize him and she wasn't really comfortable with him instantly...she just kept rubbing up against me and my mom and coming up to us. But after a few minutes she was fine with him. He said that Nosey will definitely be an indoor cat now and she gets to join her mom in the big house now, so that made us feel better. Also, this is the SECOND TIME Nosey ran away!!! I don't think they want to go thru this again, so she's movin' on up! We told them about her being deathly afraid of storms and I honestly don't think he knew because she spent most of her time in the garage, on their property or porch. I suspect that is what led to her running away to begin with... The most shocking thing we found out is this... he told us that Nosey is 12 or 13 years old! My mom and I freaked out!!! The vet said she was maybe 5, but it was SO hard to tell because she was skin and bones. But that knowledge made me feel a little better about her skin and bones condition because yes, she was greatly malnourished and obviously too old to be roaming outside in the hottest summer on record, but clearly some of it was due to old age. But at that, my mom and I both knew she needed to be back home with her cat mom and cat brother, living life to ripe old age, and now that these people see they need to take closer care of their aging cats, they will do it. They have a lot of money-- they also own a 43 acre farm in S. Indiana with cows, goats, sheep, etc. One of his cows was in labor yesterday and he's experienced with animal husbandry, so they are definitely caring, knowledgeable and intelligent people. Since they moved Nosey's mom (who is either 13 or 14) in the house about a year ago because she developed an Upper Resp. Infection, I know they will do the same for Nosey now. I got an email from the wife (the attorney) this a.m. telling me that Nosey adjusted well and she spent most of the evening in the husband's lap!!! (she did not do that with my mom and I...?). However, Nosey's mother (the cat) was not happy to see her and Nosey felt the same, so they just avoided each other (my guess is that the mother had this huge house to herself for a year and was not happy to see that her baby was now there to invade it!) Nosey ate fine and spent the a.m. in the wife's lap while she ate breakfast! So, Nosey knows she's home!!! She did also ask how I got her work email,...so I finally fessed up to my detective work and she was totally fine with it and we engaged in some other chit-chat, as I think she finally realized I was a lawyer too! My mom and I are happy with our work. A lot of people don't want
Re: Caroline- Re: Rescue Cat's Reuniting
Caroline, Thanks for such an uplifting story this week. I amsure that Monkee is smiling down on you from Heaven. :).. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: RE: Caroline- Re: Rescue Cat's Reuniting Oh yes, an additional update. The transfer went well. I don't think her owner (it was the husband that picked her up) knew Nosey could function so well as she did with us. He saw the room she stayed in and we told him that she stayed in her crate at night (my mom is a firm believer in crate-training cats- her cat Tally sleeps in her crate every night and she LOVES that thing). He seemed very surprised and asked how she did and I told him she loved it! She was perfect.., the crate became her security and she would go take naps in it in the middle of the day with the door of the crate open (go figure). He paid us for more than what the vet bill was (as compensation for food, etc). Nosey didn't seem to recognize him and she wasn't really comfortable with him instantly...she just kept rubbing up against me and my mom and coming up to us. But after a few minutes she was fine with him. He said that Nosey will definitely be an indoor cat now and she gets to join her mom in the big house now, so that made us feel better. Also, this is the SECOND TIME Nosey ran away!!! I don't think they want to go thru this again, so she's movin' on up! We told them about her being deathly afraid of storms and I honestly don't think he knew because she spent most of her time in the garage, on their property or porch. I suspect that is what led to her running away to begin with... The most shocking thing we found out is this... he told us that Nosey is 12 or 13 years old! My mom and I freaked out!!! The vet said she was maybe 5, but it was SO hard to tell because she was skin and bones. But that knowledge made me feel a little better about her skin and bones condition because yes, she was greatly malnourished and obviously too old to be roaming outside in the hottest summer on record, but clearly some of it was due to old age. But at that, my mom and I both knew she needed to be back home with her cat mom and cat brother, living life to ripe old age, and now that these people see they need to take closer care of their aging cats, they will do it. They have a lot of money-- they also own a 43 acre farm in S. Indiana with cows, goats, sheep, etc. One of his cows was in labor yesterday and he's experienced with animal husbandry, so they are definitely caring, knowledgeable and intelligent people. Since they moved Nosey's mom (who is either 13 or 14) in the house about a year ago because she developed an Upper Resp. Infection, I know they will do the same for Nosey now. I got an email from the wife (the attorney) this a.m. telling me that Nosey adjusted well and she spent most of the evening in the husband's lap!!! (she did not do that with my mom and I...?). However, Nosey's mother (the cat) was not happy to see her and Nosey felt the same, so they just avoided each other (my guess is that the mother had this huge house to herself for a year and was not happy to see that her baby was now there to invade it!) Nosey ate fine and spent the a.m. in the wife's lap while she ate breakfast! So, Nosey knows she's home!!! She did also ask how I got her work email,...so I finally fessed up to my detective work and she was totally fine with it and we engaged in some other chit-chat, as I think she finally realized I was a lawyer too! My mom and I are happy with our work. A lot of people don't want to help a lost cat in need because they are afraid they will always get stuck with it and then your brood becomes limitless. We feel like we proved this wrong and we are proud of ourselves for that. Next up, I am trying to assist the poor old man that I met who lost his Siamese. I sent him the list of Wendy's lost pet websites and he was really appreciative. However, it is time for me to get back to focusing on my Foster Kitty and finally getting home to her at a decent hour! Thanks for everyone's help. -Caroline
Update 08/23/07
Hey guys, Just an update on the situation with Grizzabella and Poppy. I stopped by my vet's office this morning with the UT vet referral forms in hand. I was actually quite surprised, they seemed very receptive to the idea, so I left the forms with them. They said the vet that diagnosed them wasn't working today, but they would leave them there for him in the morning. (he's a graduate of the UT CVM, as I checked his state licensure, so I'm hoping it won't be too hard to get a referral from him.) I'll let you guys know if I get the referral tomorrow. As for foodI went today and picked up the Innova EVO. For anyone else who might be looking for it, in addition to the place off Middlebrook that Melanie mentioned, they also have it at Smokey Mountain Grain and Feed in Maryville, and Earth Share, the organic/natural foods grocery store in Turkey Creek. Anyway, I picked it up today (as well as a couple cans of Innova EVO canned food, not sure if they will eat it, I'm going to try tonight) and I also stopped by Northshore Animal Hospital on my way home and bought a bag of the professional strength veterinary formula Missing Link supplement. They also got the Lysine this morning, and ate it very well! I'm going to start trying to incorporate the Lysine and Missing Link into their wet food in the am and pm by dividing the dose and feeding half of each both times. I'm still trying to figure out what to do about separating the litterbox/food/water for Penelope. She is, so far, negative. What do you guys think? Should I wait, or go with the separate food/water/litterboxes in separate rooms with the infrared kitty doors that require the collar to open? I figure I can buy two different doorsone for Poppy and Grizzabella, and another with a different frequency for Penny...that way it will keep all their food/water/litter separate. I don't really have to worry about separating Penny because she's a loner anyway..she doesn't associate with the other two really much at all.Should I go ahead with the separate bowls, and start by just adding a second set and letting all of them use both, and then after a while (when they know the second litterbox/water/food exists) add the radio controlled doors? I want to do whatever is easiest for them, I don't want to stress them over it, but I want to make sure Penny stays negative as much as humanly possible. I figure it'll be an easier transition if Penelope knows the food/water bowls are there before I lock her out of the others area. What do you think? I'm open to recommendations/suggestions. Right now I just have their dry food in disposable bowls that I'm changing daily. I'm also bleaching the drinkwell daily. I feed them once in their glass bowls then bleach/wash them. They are all still sharing a litterbox though. Thoughts? Michael ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: New to group; Questions
I've found with the rescue that I took in who lives in my library right now that she just learned that she wasn't going to be let out, and she doesn't really try anymore. Maybe they will learn, especially if they have one another to keep company. I wouldn't do the wipe down, but you can. It wouldn't hurt them. I don't know that water (damp cloth) would kill the virus though if it did happen to be on her fur. I think that scenario is possible, but very highly improbable. Your food choice looks good. Love your turkey tradition! How funny! And what a great treat! I can't wait to see your new additions! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Forgotten Souls [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:08:11 PM Subject: Re: New to group; Questions Evening, all! I'd first like to thank everyone for the wonderful information provided - it's been incredibly helpful! Oddly enough, as this is mentioned, when I showed interest in the possibility of assisting this little guy, I was told of one other who was in a similar position - FeLV pos purebred white persian. The first one is a 5 month old kitten who had recently gone through neutering and jaw surgery, only to be tested and come up pos. I felt particularly soft to the fact that he had gone through so much, and to have this guy euthanized after everything he's going through, especially after a successful surgery at that, it broke my heart. I've worked with seniors and special needs cats for quite a few years, and since moving into our newer home, have been blessed with some extra space. The doror is pretty flush with the ground, but I will definitely make a point of ensuring no one plays 'paw games' or 'paw hockey' with eachother; LOL! The only concern I really have is in moving from one room to the other, I have a couple of cats who can't stand to see a closed door, and love to try to dart through the doors when they open (meaning a closed bedroom door, or what-have-you; all of our guys are indoor only), and I'd be a bit concerned about one of those guys getting curious and attempting to dart into the 'FeLeuk' room. Based on what I'm reading, I should be ok, provided I snatch the curious kitty and get him out promptly, correct? Without sounding too silly or paranoid, should I take a wet cloth in such a situation and just give the kitty a quick wipe off? Again, thank you so much everyone for all of the wonderful feedback. If all goes well, we should be meeting our pair on Labor Day weekend. I'm still open to any other advice anyone has as well. And in reference to diet, we feed either Nutro diets or Evo/Core (for the 'really special' guys) and on holidays (Turkey Day and Christmas, as well as Easter), let's just say we usually get two turkeys and one doesn't go to us; LOL! We shred up the meat after cooking it and give the kitties a much deserved treat (and a much deserved rest when they all fall asleep after their fill of turkey!) Thanks again, everyone! Looking forward to sharing our newcomers with everyone! Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
Re: To Michael Re: Update
Susan, I think of Univ. of Texas too...lol. Yes, 15 lbs. of dry lasts one month, however, that's mixed in with wet foods, baby foods for Julie, boiled chicken, chicken broth, etc. I guess mine are just a wee bit spoiled. I'd hate to admit to myself, or to my husband for that matter, how much we really spend on kitty food! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:17:06 AM Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update Higher quality food means less eaten due to cats eat until they are nutritionally full, then stop (theoretically). High content of good meats,less grain, less need for intake. My cats also have done very well on the EVO CORE. Shiniercoats, brighter eyes chronic cats feeling looking better too. I sprinkle the Nutrional Yeast over their food every other day. Yes,these foods will cost more, but you will make up for it w/ better overall health, so less medical bills. Wendy, 15lbs.last one month? My eat about 6lbs.per day. They are like locust w/fur. :) Ah, but they are my little locust.. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update Hey Michael, I feed mine Elegant Medleys as a treat, so yes, I think it's fine. It's not the best food, but I don't think it's going to hurt them. I buy the wet and dry Innova Evo online at Pet Food Direct usually. I got a 22% discount the last time I ordered, which was a good deal. The food is expensive, so when you look, don't be too surprised at the price. I pay about $35 before discounts on a 15 lb. bag which lasts me with 4-5 cats about a month. It's worth it. When I started feeding Smookie, our newest kitty from the shelter, the Evo, her coat just blossomed into this gorgeous blue black shiny blanket. I was amazed, which is saying a lot for me. I can also get the food in about 3-4 stores, usually pet boutiques, in Dallas, but since I live in the suburbs, it's cheaper to buy it online and have it shipped rather than drive. I was used to feeding science diet, so when I saw that the food was basically junk, I felt bad, but I didn't know any better. And if we didn't have the money, we wouldn't be able to feed the better foods. It's a shame they are so expensive. We are not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, but we can afford a little extra on the food. And they say more protein means less elimination and less food eaten, but I forget why. Someone else here will know. You can mix the lysine into their Medleys. It's tasteless; they won't even know it's there. Do you have the powder? Other people use different supplements. They will know more about them than I will. I'm really happy that your kitties are eating. They'll probably be back to normal by tomorrow. Quick question: I forgot how you came to test them in the first place. Are they new adoptees or is one of them sick? Please try not to feel responsible for them having FeLV. You didn't give it to them. The best thing you can do for them is to remain stress free yourself as much as possible, because they will pick up on it if you are upset. Every day you have with them is a gift, and one day, we're all going to meet our maker, kitties too. So it may be that the FeLV is not what they pass from, but something else, and you'll have wasted all that time and energy worrying for nothing. You just never know. There is a 22 year old FeLV+ Siamese cat at the Casa de Calmar FeLV Unit at Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah. Can you believe that?!!! I saw her and petted her myself this past February. Have you heard of them? Best Friends uses ImmunoRegulin once a month given via shot intra-muscular, asymptomatic or not. They are really up to date on their stuff too, IMO. Some people here use IR, given different ways, and others use the interferon. They will have good info. on that. I would repost with those two as a subject heading so you're sure to get answers from the people who've used it first hand. You're doing great Michael. I'm impressed with your research skills! Let us know how the vet visit goes and how the last test fares. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed
Re: double pos.
Hideyo would be a good source for this. I hope she's still around. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 2:14:17 PM Subject: double pos. I haven't had time to pester my vet w/questions about Percy, who is double pos. (felv+ / fiv+). Does anyone have any special advice for double pos.cats? Or is it pretty much the same protacol as w/felv+? Just curious. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
Re: To Michael Re: Update
Hey Michael, Yes, mine vomit sometimes too. Isn't that fun to come home to after a long day's work...lol. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:54:39 AM Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update Quick question: I forgot how you came to test them in the first place. Are they new adoptees or is one of them sick? Hi Wendy, To answer your question, they ended up being tested because the Vet asked Jeff if he wanted them tested. He didn't know what to say, so he just said yes. I guess its fortunate he did. They're both asymptomatic. They're actually quite healthy. I've never even noticed as much as a runny nose from any of them. The only thing I have seen is vomiting, but I'm hoping the new food will help with that...thats not a new issue...they've been doing that since I got them and long before Grizzabella came in and infected Poppy. They've been to the vet several times, no one seems to have an answer other than they seem to be eating too fast. But they're really not unhealthy...as a matter of fact, Poppy is 14.5lbs, ack :( The other two are 7.4 and 7.5, which is a healthy weight for their size. I'm going with the Innova EVO food today as soon as I can find that place on their website where its sold locally. We'll see how that goes, I'll gradually switch it over as recommended. I also stopped by my vet office this morning on my way to work, and gave them the referral form for University of Tennessee CVM. They seemed very receptive this morning. The doctor that diagnosed them will be back in the morning and they said they'd give him the form. I suppose it will help that two of the vets at the clinic graduated from UT. I also asked about the prescription formula Missing Link supplement, and they made a note to check. I mixed the lysine in this morning, and all three ate it! That made me feel a bit better. The one that stayed in one spot pretty much for 36 hours also got up and moved around a bit last night. She even came in the living room and laid down on the couch with Jeff. They're slowly feeling better from the vaccinations. I'll keep updating as I get new information. Thanks guys. -Original Message- From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 9:50 pm Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update Hey Michael, I feed mine Elegant Medleys as a treat, so yes, I think it's fine. It's not the best food, but I don't think it's going to hurt them. I buy the wet and dry Innova Evo online at Pet Food Direct usually. I got a 22% discount the last time I ordered, which was a good deal. The food is expensive, so when you look, don't be too surprised at the price. I pay about $35 before discounts on a 15 lb. bag which lasts me with 4-5 cats about a month. It's worth it. When I started feeding Smookie, our newest kitty from the shelter, the Evo, her coat just blossomed into this gorgeous blue black shiny blanket. I was amazed, which is saying a lot for me. I can also get the food in about 3-4 stores, usually pet boutiques, in Dallas, but since I live in the suburbs, it's cheaper to buy it online and have it shipped rather than drive. I was used to feeding science diet, so when I saw that the food was basically junk, I felt bad, but I didn't know any better. And if we didn't have the money, we wouldn't be able to feed the better foods. It's a shame they are so expensive. We are not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, but we can afford a little extra on the food. And they say more protein means less elimination and less food eaten, but I forget why. Someone else here will know. You can mix the lysine into their Medleys. It's tasteless; they won't even know it's there. Do you have the powder? Other people use different supplements. They will know more about them than I will. I'm really happy that your kitties are eating. They'll probably be back to normal by tomorrow. Quick question: I forgot how you came to test them in the first place. Are they new adoptees or is one of them sick? Please try not to feel responsible for them having FeLV. You didn't give it to them. The best thing you can do for them is to remain stress free yourself as much as possible, because they will pick up on it if you are upset. Every day you have with them is a gift, and one day, we're all going to meet our maker, kitties too. So it may be that the FeLV is not what they pass from, but something else, and you'll have wasted all that time and energy worrying for nothing. You just never know. There is a 22 year old FeLV+ Siamese cat at the Casa de Calmar FeLV Unit at Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah. Can you believe
Re: double pos.
Yes, she seems very knowledgeable. Is she in a veterinary program or something.? Hideyo, are you out there? Come play w/us.. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: Re: double pos. Hideyo would be a good source for this. I hope she's still around. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 2:14:17 PM Subject: double pos. I haven't had time to pester my vet w/questions about Percy, who is double pos. (felv+ / fiv+). Does anyone have any special advice for double pos.cats? Or is it pretty much the same protacol as w/felv+? Just curious. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent -- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
Re: I am so CONFUSSED!!/To Jessica
Hi Jessica, I'm sorry to hear that Nebber has tested positive, but happy you found us. I'm also happy that you did not have Nebber put to sleep, which unfortunately, is what a lot of vets recommend. It's possible you'll be able to pull Nebber through this crisis, so don't give up and try to stay calm for his sake, so he doesn't pick up on your stress. You've got to get him eating. A jar or two of baby meat food per day is good. A can of A/D, that you can only get from your vet is even better. Syringe feed him if you need to, but do a little research on how to do it so you don't choke him. We can also help you here if you have specific questions on that. This is first and foremost Jessica. I can't stress it enough. If you can get him eating again, then you will likely see him bounce back. I see it all the time and I've seen it personally at my house more times than I can count. I just pulled our Julie from a crash last month, and it was a really close one. Keep him on the Clavamox too, as your vet prescribed. Food with antiobiotics is the rule for animals and humans. They can irritate the stomach. How do Nebber's gums look? Are they pink or pale/white? Are they moist or sticky? Let us know. White gums = anemia. Sticky gums = dehydration. Dehydration will make a cat feel horrible. Anemia makes kitty feel very lethargic. If you have an HCT/PCV count for Nebber, please post it. Anemia is extremely serious. It has to be treated asap. Nebber may still seroconvert, which means to 'throw off' the FeLV virus, so you'll need to retest in 3-6 months to see if he's negative. The big thing right now though, is pulling him through his current illness. It could be as simple as an infection. Or, as Tad said, he could have developed cancer. It does happen. But, you don't know. A lot times, vets do the test, see the FeLV+, and give up on the kitty. This is the worst thing they can do because they still need to figure out what exactly is causing the kitty to be sick. Kitties don't die from FeLV directly; FeLV compromises the immune system, just like HIV, so kitties actually die from complications from FeLV, like anemia or cancer. So you've got to find a vet that will support you in taking great care of Nebber. Don't settle for one who feels like they're giving up or doesn't want to bother. The fact that yours said to come back IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS makes me want to scream. I would not go back to that vet if my life depended on it. Find one that will give Nebber the care he deserves. What tests, other than FeLV, did the vet do? What does his bloodwork look like? Can you get a copy if they ran his bloodwork and post the results here, specifically the HCT/PCV and white blood cell count? Also BUN and Creatinine. If you can pull Nebber through this, the two big things in keeping him healthy and helping him to throw the virus are his diet and keeping him stress free. Make sure he is getting a good, quality food (anything you can buy at Walmart does not count nor does Science Diet, which is what I fed mine before I joined this group; I feed mine Innova Evo now). Also, supplement his immune system by giving him L-Lysine (without propylene glycol). Others here use a few other supplements; you can repost and ask about those. And most importantly, Nebber will have the upper hand by getting all the love that you will be giving him. I think that goes a long way in keeping any cat healthy. Please post any test results or other questions you may have. I really hope Nebber pulls through this! It is possible, Jessica. And we're here to walk you though this, so don't hesitate to ask for help. :) Wendy Dallas, TX Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Update: Ahhhhhhh..... FLOCK kitties
click on www.bestfriends.org and go to the story The great cat rescue continues to see a wonderful story The Cover Girl kitty (felv+) that Sheila Dr.Roy are adopting is featured, as well as some other felv+ cats. Poor little Cinderella kitty is felv+, has skin cancer too from being in the dessert. :( I just had to cry, my poor little coal black heart just got squeezed Please wish them well, I believe they get to come to their new homenext week. (Sheila Dr.Roy are off to Vegas to let off some steam before they arrive... :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: Update 08/23/07
Hey Michael, If they won't eat the wet Evo, you can mix it with some baby food (Del Monte or Beech Nut are good, chicken flavor or any of the meats) and maybe the can be switched over that way. Some people might not agree with me, but I think at this point, Penelope has already been exposed (how long were they living together before the diagnosis?). If she was, she has thrown the virus. Adult cats are very resistant against the virus from what we've seen here. How old are all your furbabies? I would be surprised if Grizzabella gave it to Poppy. Did you have Poppy tested when you first adopted him? It's possible they both already had it when you adopted them. I never separated mine. Cricket was our positive and Julie, LuLu, and Pepper are my negatives. They lived together two years before I knew about the diagnosis, and two years after. They shared the same litter box and food/water bowls. No one ever became positive. The infrared collars are a good idea, but honestly Michael, it's probably a moot point. I can't swear by it, but I would live by it. I would really be careful about the bleaching of food and water bowls. In fact, I wouldn't. I would be so scared that I was slowly poisoning them. I would ask about that as a subject specifically. Let us know how the vet visit/referral goes. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: Update 08/23/07
Wendy, Here's the breakdown: I've had Grizzabella since 2001, and she was approximately a year old at that point, so she's about 7. She came from a rescue shelter that went terribly bad, but I'm almost certain I had her tested and she was negative at that time, because I remember she came with an awful URI when I got her. :( Poor thing. But what happened was she spent about three years with my mother. I had moved back home to help care for a terminally ill relative, and by the time she passed, Grizzabella had gotten so attached to mother and mother to she that I couldn't separate them. Bella came back to live with me after mother passed away in December 06. I think she likely contracted the FeLV while she was with mother, as she would often get outside, and mother wasn't able to chase her down. She went to the vet several times in that period for rabies shots and the like, but they never recommended FeLV vaccines, and I still don't know why. As for Poppy and Penny, I'm certain they were negative when I got them, as they came from Virginia Siamese Rescue. They were kittens, so at this point they're almost 2 1/2 years old, and Bella has only been here about 8-9 months, so I assume Poppy contracted it at somewhere around a year and a half to two years old. Penny tested negative on the ELISA. I'm going to take her back in 3-6 months and have her retested and insist on an IFA test. I say I'm certain they didn't have it when I adopted them because I know how thorough Va SRC is, especially with the fosters I got them from. I've gotten to know them, and I'm certain they tested. I guess its possible the test was a negative when I got them and they were in fact positive, but I kinda doubt it. I got poppy at approximately 12 weeks old, and Penny at approximately 8 weeks old. As for the bleaching...the food bowls are nonporous glazed porcelain, and they're bleached in the dishwasher, as dishwasher detergent has bleach in it. The drinkwell I can understand, though, being plastic. I usually dilute quite a bit, but I'll certainly stop if you all think it could cause more harm than do good. Thanks again! Michael ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: To Michael Re: Update
Yes, my felv+cats get moist BID but the rest of the gang does not, @ least not right now. I fed them moist in the old house, but when we moved into this new place 3 months ago, serving the rest of cats moist was a challenge, and I still am working on the logistics. (I used to feed them in the kitchen in the old house, they don't have kitchen privileges anymore:( Funny, I have the food ( like I said earlier, I am paranoid about running out of cat food) before I moved I stocked up their room w/ 20 cases of Wellness (lg 13oz cans), 8 cases of Pet Guard, 5 of Evo 5 of reg. Innova.. When I feed it takes 4 to 5 of the large cans to fulfill their moist food desires. Yes, Jonathan would probably lay an egg if he knew how much I spend on catsOuch. Between the high dollar foods, the vets, the ferals donations to friends in need ( cat rescue), etc Mommy's little secret..Sh... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update Susan, I think of Univ. of Texas too...lol. Yes, 15 lbs. of dry lasts one month, however, that's mixed in with wet foods, baby foods for Julie, boiled chicken, chicken broth, etc. I guess mine are just a wee bit spoiled. I'd hate to admit to myself, or to my husband for that matter, how much we really spend on kitty food! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~
Re: Update 08/23/07
Hi Michael, I will have to say I agree w/ Wendy I would just vaccinate Penny, and continue on. She has already had an exposure to the virus, but once again, this is just my opinion. You can see what UT has to say, but do what you feel is best. There was a time when I would have said, yes, separate them. But now that I know more about the disease, I probably would not separate them. (By the way, folks,if my typing is off it's because my keyboard is sticking...especially the space bar. Too many cat butts trying to type out a howdy! I think.) As far as the Evo moist, my felv+ won't touch it but the rest of the gang loves it. Wendy is right, baby is a good supplement, but I recommend staying away from the ham formula, seems I heard it has more salt than the other meats.. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: Update 08/23/07 Wendy, Here's the breakdown: I've had Grizzabella since 2001, and she was approximately a year old at that point, so she's about 7. She came from a rescue shelter that went terribly bad, but I'm almost certain I had her tested and she was negative at that time, because I remember she came with an awful URI when I got her. :( Poor thing. But what happened was she spent about three years with my mother. I had moved back home to help care for a terminally ill relative, and by the time she passed, Grizzabella had gotten so attached to mother and mother to she that I couldn't separate them. Bella came back to live with me after mother passed away in December 06. I think she likely contracted the FeLV while she was with mother, as she would often get outside, and mother wasn't able to chase her down. She went to the vet several times in that period for rabies shots and the like, but they never recommended FeLV vaccines, and I still don't know why. As for Poppy and Penny, I'm certain they were negative when I got them, as they came from Virginia Siamese Rescue. They were kittens, so at this point they're almost 2 1/2 years old, and Bella has only been here about 8-9 months, so I assume Poppy contracted it at somewhere around a year and a half to two years old. Penny tested negative on the ELISA. I'm going to take her back in 3-6 months and have her retested and insist on an IFA test. I say I'm certain they didn't have it when I adopted them because I know how thorough Va SRC is, especially with the fosters I got them from. I've gotten to know them, and I'm certain they tested. I guess its possible the test was a negative when I got them and they were in fact positive, but I kinda doubt it. I got poppy at approximately 12 weeks old, and Penny at approximately 8 weeks old. As for the bleaching...the food bowls are nonporous glazed porcelain, and they're bleached in the dishwasher, as dishwasher detergent has bleach in it. The drinkwell I can understand, though, being plastic. I usually dilute quite a bit, but I'll certainly stop if you all think it could cause more harm than do good. Thanks again! Michael -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.
Re: I am so CONFUSSED!!
Hi Jessica, I would try to get him to eat something. Tuna, salmon, sardines, fancy feast, anything that he might show an interest in until you can get him back to the vet. If you don't feel he's getting enough food you could also try something called nutrical which is a gel that can be bought for cats. Depending on how much he is or is not eating it seems that the vet might have considered a feeding tube. Since he didn't I assume your cat must still be eating a decent amount? Good luck. I just don't know if this is the best vet for you to use. A cat who is not eating may or may not get better in a couple of weeks. If he's not getting enough food, he's not going to get better. What is the clavamox actually for? Did the vet tell you? tonya Jessica Merchen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a cat that is jst over one year old. About a week to a week and a half ago I noticed him hurtin and not eating. I had to wait until today to take him to the vet due to money issues. I just found out that he has feline luekemia. And i am so hurt. I am not quite sure what to do or need to do. He is not eating or drinking. My vet told me to feed him baby food which is what I am doing. He eats very little. the vet also has given him a prescription for clavamox for fever. Nebber got way too spastic to do any more blood work or test today so I must take him back in a couple of weeks when he is feeling better. But in the mean time, I need some sort of advice of how to help him and me to deal with this. I can not think about losing him. If some one could give me a little advice on what to do I would be grateful. Thanks, Jessica - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.
