Re: another 75 cc
Actually FIP is not contagious, and not necessarily what your kitty has. Corona virus is contagious at certain stages, but there are many types of corona virus and many if not most cats have it. As I understand it, FIP results from a genetic reaction and a mutation of the virus, which causes that particular cat to develop FIP. Any cat that's been in a situation with multiple cats, like rescue cats, probably carries corona virus. See http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AA=681 It's more likely that he's developed a complication because of the FELV virus. I've had several young FELV cats that have developed mediastinal lymphoma at 2.5-3 yrs of age, with fluid accumulating in the chest cavity. Having the fluid drawn off was a great help, a good thing to do. So that's a very likely possibility. Drawing the fluid is, of course, just a temporary, palliative, thing, but bought us some nice time.Great to know about. I've never had one survive that stage, but remember reading about the Wisconsin Protocol and was interested in that as a treatment. Involved alternating treatment with various drugs. What a great blessing for this kitty that you took him in. Gloria On Feb 24, 2008, at 3:59 PM, laurieskatz wrote: If FIP, it can be contagious. I'd ask about it. He may not have other consistent symptoms. Being a nurse is exhausting...even more so when you love the patient. - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:49 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc Yes Laurie, Bob is a wonderful guy. He's a pretty easy going person but has shed tears over this too. I don't even know about FIP. All I know is they did a blood test first time they saw him and said he was positive for feline leukemia. I'll read up on it. The vets told us this morning that he is a very brave little guy. He doesn't even flinch at the vets. They can do anything they want to him and he doesn't fight them, just me when it comes to giving pills. We were given a demonstration of how to do it and the vet had us give him his antibiotic. Nothin to it. Apparently he is not suffering. I took him upstairs when we got home and he ran downstairs after us wanting to eat down here, then he did his stair scratching thing and went back up, like nothing happened today. I wish some of our whiney hypochondriac patients could take a lesson from him. I'm in a miserable mood today. I shouldn't have said that but I do mean it. Funny thing is the draining tprocedure is the cheapest part of the treatment. I could live with that. Unfortunately we needed the drugs today and got them there. Otherwise I can get this stuff for peanuts at the pharmacy across the hall at work. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: another 75 cc Bob sounds like a wonderful husband for an animal lover/rescuer! Lucky BooBoo to have you both...and THREE docs! I almost hate to ask this...could this be FIP? Has anyone mentioned that? My friend's cat had FIP and she had to take him about once a week to have his lungs drained. Pls keep us posted. The good news is he does not seem to be in distress or pain. That is a blessing in this otherwise difficult time. Prayers continuing. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: another 75 cc Well we're home again. BooBoo had another 75ccs taken out of his lungs today. Not only did his regular vet come in to see him, a third vet was there. BooBoo has become quite the celebrity. They're now sending a sample for culturing and cytology to see if there are any cancer cells present. Nothing is going well for us. However, when he got home he ate a big lunch and we put him to bed with the window open for fresh air and he was purring like crazy. He's now on another antibiotic and will continue on the lasix for another week. Both the vets kissed him on top of his little head before we left. This third vet was very kind, the other two are as well but this one told us lets see what we're dealing with when the cytology report comes back and we'll go from there. He didn't dismiss the interferon but said we're basically doing palliative care here and our goal is to keep him comfortable. The fluid aspiration seems to help but it will continue. All three of these vets are East Indian and lovely caring men but I hate to admit that when they are giving details of what is going on I have a bit of a problem with the accents. He said something about protein spilling and I couldn't understand the rest. Of course I am always kind of overwhelmed with sadness I don't grasp the whole picture. On an up side, Bob mentioned on the way home that he doesn't even care about the
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
Lynne, Don't be so 'down'. I've seen cases like yours have a very happy ending and a very long life for your baby. Give me a call... Karen - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:14 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Thanl you Marylyn. I sometimes feel I am being a big whiner here. So many of you have dealt with far worse issues than I have and I do need to give my self a reality check and just get on with the living part. At this very point in time I simply cannot envision not having him around. I know this will not have a happy ending but I will do everything I can to make his life peaceful and enjoyable. We both just love him to pieces. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
What a loving thing you've done! I do like interferon alpha, but find different vets sell it for different prices. I've found a less expensive source locally and generally give 1/2 cc daily to FELV cats that are less than 3 yrs old, or if they're sick like yours. I've been using veterinary (not grocery store) kaopectate for diarrhea lately and it's worked great - think it's good for coating the lining of the digestive tract. I started that because I ran out of Panacur, but it's working well. The latest formulation of Kaopectate that you get in the grocery and drugs stores contains an aspirin like substance that's harmful to cats. At Veterinarypartner.com, there's an article that says: The old form of Kaopectate contained only kaolin and pectin while later forms contained attapulgite, all of which were very safe in animals due to the lack of systemic absorption. However, Kaopectate has recently developed a new formula that contains the drug bismuth subsalicylate, a drug that can be toxic to cats. So we got some of the old formula from a vet, and it works well. Best of luck, Gloria On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El
RE: coughing
Lynne, I am SO glad you're looking for another vet. You and BooBoo need a vet who's supportive in every way--who has a positive outlook AND proactive. Good luck. Keep us posted when you have time. hugs, Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: coughing We had to go out to visit my dad today Marylyn so I reluctantly left BooBoo alone sleeping. When we got home I went upstairs and lay down with him and even though he didn't open his eyes he began purring. I told Bob what you said about the amount of sleep they need so we've determined not to bug him so much. He did pee and poo while we were gone and went up on the bed to sleep. He is breathing better now. Still have the appointment tomorrow because they couldn't see us today. There were two emergencies apparently. Big friggin deal. If a vets office can't handle two emergencies and one sick cat in a day, I give up. I am searching for another vet. I have a lead on a good one. This guy told Bob he would analyse the fluid and get back to us and he just got rid of it. Like I've said, everything he has done for us so far has been after I've read up on the disease or read these posts and told him my suggestions. He obviously thinks we are fighting a losing battle here and doesn't have Boo's best interest at heart. We will persevere because neither Boo or we want him dead yet. I actually have some catnip in the garden despite this miserable cold weather. I'll give it a shot. I wish cats liked lavender because I have a lot of that and it is supposed to be calming for people. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: Re: coughing Try spraying Rescue Remedy or Cat Nap around him a few minutes before you pill him. Check with a holistic vet if you are having trouble with the status quo. Basically, ask yourself what you have to gain and what you have to lose. It is an awful situation. Been there. Done that. With various critters and various physical problems. I would never give up the total pleasure of their company and the wisdom of their teachingsin spite of the frustration and pain and all the other emotions..each friend taught me and gave me so much. Here is where I get too emotional. On Feb 23, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Lynne wrote: _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
El, I have been following this list for some time now, and find that there are great people here with excellent information. I give great thanks to the people on this list for their dedication to saving the unwanted'. (I myself currently have 14 cats that have found a home here.) All of which I have spayed/neutered and brought back to health. I have a website on Transfer Factor that you can go to and get a great amount of information. It is www.powerbod.com/us/karengriffith There are several brands of Transfer Factor, but this is the type that I have found that has the most extensive research behind it as well as the most beneficial effects on FeLV cats. You can read the information on what Transfer Factor does on the first page, and then you can go to the page for Veterinary Medicine and Transfer Factor. It has a lot of info on the immune supporting capabilities of Transfer Factor. Colostrum is very good as a supplement, but the Transfer Factor is more targeted. It takes close to 60 colostrum pills to equal the immune benefits of one Transfer Factor Plus Tri Factor. I would also encourage you to read the page for Treating Chronically Ill Patients, as it will give you an idea of the benefits to humansThis helped me to more readily understand the benefits to our animals. If you have any questions on nutrition or care for you kitties, you are more than welcome to call me at 740-992-5782. This goes for anyone on the list. I certainly don't have all of the answers (as does anyone with this aggravating disease), but hopefully can help to guide you, along with your veterinarians, to a successful outcome on your new babies. I am also willing to speak with your veterinarians, if you so wish. I have a passion for saving these FeLV cats that are most often sentenced to death. They can, in most cases, live a long happy life. The type of Transfer Factor I use for FeLV kitties is the human form. If your decide to order from the company, order the Transfer Factor Plus Tri Factor. I just use one pill a day unless there is a major crisis and then may use two. Only once in the most severe of cases have I used 2/day. I have found the human formula much more effective than the feline formula. The wonderful thing is that here are no adverse side effects and it will help with many of the other problems found in FeLV. I am an Animal Scientist (Ohio State University) with a specialty in animal nutrition and physiology. I am always willing to speak with anyone on the list about their sweet babies that are having problems. It is easiest to reach me after 9pm EST. (I have a very slow internet connection (rural area), so it is best to call me.) Looking forward to speaking with you if you have any questions. Karen Griffith Karen Griffith Farms 34440 State Route 7 Pomeroy, Ohio 45769 Phone: 740-992-5782 Website: www.karengriffith.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM,
RE: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
El, you're an angel. Thanks for everything you're doing for your new furbabes. My FeLV Snoball was prone to diarrhea. On the advice of my vet, when he had a bout, I gave him only plain cooked chicken breast--I broiled it, then blended in with water and a feline supplement--chicken alone doesn't provide all the necessary nutrition--to make a thick, bland puree. (Because I had six positives in the same space they all had to have the chicken, and they all loved it.) I kept it up for 2-3 weeks, and it did the trick every time--cleared up the diarrhea. Good luck Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli What a loving thing you've done! I do like interferon alpha, but find different vets sell it for different prices. I've found a less expensive source locally and generally give 1/2 cc daily to FELV cats that are less than 3 yrs old, or if they're sick like yours. I've been using veterinary (not grocery store) kaopectate for diarrhea lately and it's worked great - think it's good for coating the lining of the digestive tract. I started that because I ran out of Panacur, but it's working well. The latest formulation of Kaopectate that you get in the grocery and drugs stores contains an aspirin like substance that's harmful to cats. At Veterinarypartner.com, there's an article that says: The old form of Kaopectate contained only kaolin and pectin while later forms contained attapulgite, all of which were very safe in animals due to the lack of systemic absorption. However, Kaopectate has recently developed a new formula that contains the drug bismuth subsalicylate, a drug that can be toxic to cats. So we got some of the old formula from a vet, and it works well. Best of luck, Gloria On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the
RE: another 75 cc
It's lovely to hear BooBoo is getting so much attention. I'm also sure your husband is right---you're educating them. Good luck with finding an FeLV- knowledgeable vet as you mentioned more recently (I'm reading my emails back to front). Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: another 75 cc Well we're home again. BooBoo had another 75ccs taken out of his lungs today. Not only did his regular vet come in to see him, a third vet was there. BooBoo has become quite the celebrity. They're now sending a sample for culturing and cytology to see if there are any cancer cells present. Nothing is going well for us. However, when he got home he ate a big lunch and we put him to bed with the window open for fresh air and he was purring like crazy. He's now on another antibiotic and will continue on the lasix for another week. Both the vets kissed him on top of his little head before we left. This third vet was very kind, the other two are as well but this one told us lets see what we're dealing with when the cytology report comes back and we'll go from there. He didn't dismiss the interferon but said we're basically doing palliative care here and our goal is to keep him comfortable. The fluid aspiration seems to help but it will continue. All three of these vets are East Indian and lovely caring men but I hate to admit that when they are giving details of what is going on I have a bit of a problem with the accents. He said something about protein spilling and I couldn't understand the rest. Of course I am always kind of overwhelmed with sadness I don't grasp the whole picture. On an up side, Bob mentioned on the way home that he doesn't even care about the money part of this. He thinks these 3 vets are becoming more educated in the care of these animals and he doesn't mind at all paying for something that may benefit another cat in the future. I guess that's a good thing too. Lynne _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
Thanks for the Kaopectate information. I'll pass that on. Pumpkin and apple pectin work for diarrhea control too. On Feb 25, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: What a loving thing you've done! I do like interferon alpha, but find different vets sell it for different prices. I've found a less expensive source locally and generally give 1/2 cc daily to FELV cats that are less than 3 yrs old, or if they're sick like yours. I've been using veterinary (not grocery store) kaopectate for diarrhea lately and it's worked great - think it's good for coating the lining of the digestive tract. I started that because I ran out of Panacur, but it's working well. The latest formulation of Kaopectate that you get in the grocery and drugs stores contains an aspirin like substance that's harmful to cats. At Veterinarypartner.com, there's an article that says: The old form of Kaopectate contained only kaolin and pectin while later forms contained attapulgite, all of which were very safe in animals due to the lack of systemic absorption. However, Kaopectate has recently developed a new formula that contains the drug bismuth subsalicylate, a drug that can be toxic to cats. So we got some of the old formula from a vet, and it works well. Best of luck, Gloria On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
I'll have to try the Apple pectin, if I can find it. I'm hoping I can continue to get the kaopectate (old formula). It's easy to syringe. I make a bunch of syringes, leave them out, and grab a couple when I'm rushing off to work, you know. If I can get and try Apple pectin, that might be easy to syringe too. Thanks! Gloria At 02:10 PM 2/25/2008, you wrote: Thanks for the Kaopectate information. I'll pass that on. Pumpkin and apple pectin work for diarrhea control too. On Feb 25, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: What a loving thing you've done! I do like interferon alpha, but find different vets sell it for different prices. I've found a less expensive source locally and generally give 1/2 cc daily to FELV cats that are less than 3 yrs old, or if they're sick like yours. I've been using veterinary (not grocery store) kaopectate for diarrhea lately and it's worked great - think it's good for coating the lining of the digestive tract. I started that because I ran out of Panacur, but it's working well. The latest formulation of Kaopectate that you get in the grocery and drugs stores contains an aspirin like substance that's harmful to cats. At Veterinarypartner.com, there's an article that says: The old form of Kaopectate contained only kaolin and pectin while later forms contained attapulgite, all of which were very safe in animals due to the lack of systemic absorption. However, Kaopectate has recently developed a new formula that contains the drug bismuth subsalicylate, a drug that can be toxic to cats. So we got some of the old formula from a vet, and it works well. Best of luck, Gloria On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To:mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El --
Re: pill gun again
I forgot to ask him about that yesterday, but he showed us again how to do it and last night and this morning we managed to get his pills down with no problem. He's not a spitter. Once they're down they're down. He's on something called Zeniquin 25 mg one half tablet a day and Furosemide 20 one half tablet twice a day. No more liquid food for him. That causes more stress than the pills. I'm sure since it's in an oily base it sticks in the throat and the taste is hard to get rid of. We should have his culture and cytology report back tomorrow which as usual will be bad news I'm sure. We haven't had one tidbit of good news yet but I don't even care. He was happy when I got up this morning and happy to see me when I got home from work. And Bob says he's eaten like a horse today. He ate a large amount just now so that's always a good thing. He's drinking his water too which is good since he's on the diuretic. - Original Message - From: Dorothy Noble To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 3:25 AM Subject: pill gun again Hey Lynne - The pill gun I got came from the vet and it was only 5 bucks. They are really slick and the pill fits right into the end. Maybe you could ask your vet if they have any? -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: pill gun again
That sounds like good news to me. Try not to live in tomorrow. It robs you of today. On Feb 25, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Lynne wrote: I forgot to ask him about that yesterday, but he showed us again how to do it and last night and this morning we managed to get his pills down with no problem. He's not a spitter. Once they're down they're down. He's on something called Zeniquin 25 mg one half tablet a day and Furosemide 20 one half tablet twice a day. No more liquid food for him. That causes more stress than the pills. I'm sure since it's in an oily base it sticks in the throat and the taste is hard to get rid of. We should have his culture and cytology report back tomorrow which as usual will be bad news I'm sure. We haven't had one tidbit of good news yet but I don't even care. He was happy when I got up this morning and happy to see me when I got home from work. And Bob says he's eaten like a horse today. He ate a large amount just now so that's always a good thing. He's drinking his water too which is good since he's on the diuretic. - Original Message - From: Dorothy Noble To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 3:25 AM Subject: pill gun again Hey Lynne - The pill gun I got came from the vet and it was only 5 bucks. They are really slick and the pill fits right into the end. Maybe you could ask your vet if they have any? Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
Karen I am trying to call you. I saw in a post the best time to call you was after 9:00. I will. I just tried again but no answer. I'm never home during the day. Gotta go to that job of mine. Lynne - Original Message - From: Karen Griffith To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 9:28 AM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Don't be so 'down'. I've seen cases like yours have a very happy ending and a very long life for your baby. Give me a call... Karen - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:14 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Thanl you Marylyn. I sometimes feel I am being a big whiner here. So many of you have dealt with far worse issues than I have and I do need to give my self a reality check and just get on with the living part. At this very point in time I simply cannot envision not having him around. I know this will not have a happy ending but I will do everything I can to make his life peaceful and enjoyable. We both just love him to pieces. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet
RE: pill gun again
Lynne, BooBoo sounds like he's enjoying life--that's *always* good news! Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: pill gun again I forgot to ask him about that yesterday, but he showed us again how to do it and last night and this morning we managed to get his pills down with no problem. He's not a spitter. Once they're down they're down. He's on something called Zeniquin 25 mg one half tablet a day and Furosemide 20 one half tablet twice a day. No more liquid food for him. That causes more stress than the pills. I'm sure since it's in an oily base it sticks in the throat and the taste is hard to get rid of. We should have his culture and cytology report back tomorrow which as usual will be bad news I'm sure. We haven't had one tidbit of good news yet but I don't even care. He was happy when I got up this morning and happy to see me when I got home from work. And Bob says he's eaten like a horse today. He ate a large amount just now so that's always a good thing. He's drinking his water too which is good since he's on the diuretic. - Original Message - From: Dorothy Noble mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 3:25 AM Subject: pill gun again Hey Lynne - The pill gun I got came from the vet and it was only 5 bucks. They are really slick and the pill fits right into the end. Maybe you could ask your vet if they have any? Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
update: Athena
Hi all So Athena just re-tested on ELISA a weak positive. This is 9 weeks from the first testing that we did when we lost Orion to FeLV. I guess I'm just disheartened... I had REALLY hoped (for her sake) that she would be negative - she seems so healthy...no major problems or anything... and we really wanted to get another cat for a companion for her. My husband and I have talked and we just can't bring closure to ourselves to intentionally get another FeLV + cat... which means pretty much she's gonna stay a single cat. I don't know, in my mind it just seems that it would be a perpetually bleak cycle (and I know that it's not true simply because of the joy they bring..but this is my bummed out- ness coming through) to have 'sick' cats that can just die any time. Do any of you have experiences bringing in another cat? Do you always elect to get another FeLV +? How do kittens generally fare? Our vet suggested bringing in a FeLV negative vaccinated adult...but I don't want even the SLIGHTEST risk of exposing another cat to this. Any feedback would help me out...I'm so frustrated with this whole thing. Thanks for listening :} -- Beth Gouldin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 940.395.5393 God Bless!!!
Re: update: Athena
A thought: how about an adult vaccinated cat from a local kill shelter? Yes, there is a chance he/she will develop FeLV. That chance appears to exist with any adopted cat. However, the chances of an adult cat in a kill shelter dying is very, very high. Everyone wants kittens and the kill rate for most shelters is very high even for kittens. A thought. You will have to weigh your own values. If I were a cat in a kill shelter or on the streets alone I would take my chances with the FeV exposure. Right now Dixie has a wonderful Tom cat calling on her. He started coming around several months ago. PC is fully grown, on his own and appears very healthy. I let them together at times for short periods of time and my concerns are that he will bring in a disease to her, not visa versa. We live on a rural farm. I suspect PC has been exposed to everything he ever will be exposed to. If he continues to hang around and continues to come in peacefully I plan to try to take him to a vet for a checkup. This is not very easy for a number of reasons and there are real questions about neutering him given his life style. Forcing him to live inside is not an option and, unlike the colony at my mother's, monitoring him is also questionable. However, back on topic, a cat whose destiny is death might well welcome a nice home. I certainly would. I would also point out that Dixie tested positive 3 years ago and is and has been extremely healthy and happy since she was tested. Had I not taken her to be spayed I would never know her status. Feed Athena the best foods you can and give her the best supplements and forget her status whether you get a companion for her or not. Just be vigilant re any problems..as you should for anyone without words. If you dwell on the status you will loose so very much. On Feb 25, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Beth Gouldin wrote: Hi all So Athena just re-tested on ELISA a weak positive. This is 9 weeks from the first testing that we did when we lost Orion to FeLV. I guess I'm just disheartened... I had REALLY hoped (for her sake) that she would be negative - she seems so healthy...no major problems or anything... and we really wanted to get another cat for a companion for her. My husband and I have talked and we just can't bring closure to ourselves to intentionally get another FeLV + cat... which means pretty much she's gonna stay a single cat. I don't know, in my mind it just seems that it would be a perpetually bleak cycle (and I know that it's not true simply because of the joy they bring..but this is my bummed out- ness coming through) to have 'sick' cats that can just die any time. Do any of you have experiences bringing in another cat? Do you always elect to get another FeLV +? How do kittens generally fare? Our vet suggested bringing in a FeLV negative vaccinated adult...but I don't want even the SLIGHTEST risk of exposing another cat to this. Any feedback would help me out...I'm so frustrated with this whole thing. Thanks for listening :} -- Beth Gouldin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 940.395.5393 God Bless!!!
Re: update: Athena
I'd be as worried about Athena catching something from the FeLV negative cat as the negative cat getting FeLV. My understanding is the virus is shed via body fluids ~ saliva, nasal discharge, etc. A friend had a negative cat living with a group of positives for 5 or 6 years and he never got sick (and tested negative for FeLV after that time ~ she mistakenly thought he tested positive in the beginning or he was a false positive). SO, if you get another kitty who is not positive, you might want to make sure that kitty is healthy when you bring it home. Also, it is important that they get along so Athena isn't stressed out. You know, we really have no guarantees. I had 2 FeLv positive cats who lived very long lives ~ 16 and 22 years. Squeaky was a carrier. He was never sick. Stripes was sick on and off. I was devastated when they died. So, I adopted 3 (unrelated) cats from the shelter at once. Insurance, you know. Keisha was age unknown and the other 2 were about 6 months. Teddy, one of the young ones died 6 years later, of cancer. He got sick with IBD and asthma within the first year after I adopted him and was sick his entire life. Coco, the other young'un is still with me but has had 2 instances where I nearly lost her. Frankie (a rescued feral kitten with asthma) lost most of his vision a year ago at age 9 and was diagnosed with pancreatitis which it seems he has conquered. Keisha died last summer, completely unexpectedly, of congestive heart failure. I guess I am giving examples of how we just never know. With my newest group (which grew to 7), I was sure Keihsa would die first because she was oldestnot so. If it were me, I'd probably adopt another FeLV or no one. But that is just me and by no means the right answer! Athena may never have a symptom. Squeaky didn't. He outlived Stripes by another 7 years. I didn't adopt another cat only because he was already older when Stripes died and he was so upset when Stripes died. I never considered Squeaky sick since he never was. Take care of yourselves...let your heart lead you. Laurie - Original Message - From: Beth Gouldin To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: update: Athena Hi all So Athena just re-tested on ELISA a weak positive. This is 9 weeks from the first testing that we did when we lost Orion to FeLV. I guess I'm just disheartened... I had REALLY hoped (for her sake) that she would be negative - she seems so healthy...no major problems or anything... and we really wanted to get another cat for a companion for her. My husband and I have talked and we just can't bring closure to ourselves to intentionally get another FeLV + cat... which means pretty much she's gonna stay a single cat. I don't know, in my mind it just seems that it would be a perpetually bleak cycle (and I know that it's not true simply because of the joy they bring..but this is my bummed out- ness coming through) to have 'sick' cats that can just die any time. Do any of you have experiences bringing in another cat? Do you always elect to get another FeLV +? How do kittens generally fare? Our vet suggested bringing in a FeLV negative vaccinated adult...but I don't want even the SLIGHTEST risk of exposing another cat to this. Any feedback would help me out...I'm so frustrated with this whole thing. Thanks for listening :} -- Beth Gouldin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 940.395.5393 God Bless!!!
