accidental pos/negs interaction
I know I should know better than to have a panic attack about this, but I'm really close to having a panic attack about this. I awoke quite early this morning to discover that two of our negs had managed to get into my bedroom with my pos. Some of the cat sounds (primarily scratching on the cat tree) sounded different, because they were coming from a bigger cat, but it didn't register until I got up. My pos, while growly, wasn't acting too wound up. I'm proud of her. I'm concerned because, of course, not only is my pos in here but her food dish and litter box. Also, I don't know what was going on or how long the cats had been in here with us. I have good reason to believe that one of the cats is resistant to the virus, but the younger cat, a two year old, I'm not so sure about. She got the first round of FeLV+ vax when she was young, but those vax haven't been refreshed, as we never anticipated these sorts of run-ins. So, does anyone have thoughts on any treatment I should start? How long should I wait to have her tested? It looks like felineleukemia.org recommends 90 days? I realize that there's a possibility that this particular neg didn't come into any real contact with the virus, and if she did, that there's a decent chance she'll fight it off. However, since this cat is not mine but is the love of my mom's life, I'm crawling out of my skin right now. Your thoughts? Lance
Re: accidental pos/negs interaction
I think it is quite unlikely that this brief and peaceful encounter will put your negatives in any real danger. Take a look at these articles on viral diseases, there is one specifically for FeLV. http://maxshouse.com/viral_diseases.htm Gary - Original Message - From: Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:50 AM Subject: accidental pos/negs interaction I know I should know better than to have a panic attack about this, but I'm really close to having a panic attack about this. I awoke quite early this morning to discover that two of our negs had managed to get into my bedroom with my pos. Some of the cat sounds (primarily scratching on the cat tree) sounded different, because they were coming from a bigger cat, but it didn't register until I got up. My pos, while growly, wasn't acting too wound up. I'm proud of her. I'm concerned because, of course, not only is my pos in here but her food dish and litter box. Also, I don't know what was going on or how long the cats had been in here with us. I have good reason to believe that one of the cats is resistant to the virus, but the younger cat, a two year old, I'm not so sure about. She got the first round of FeLV+ vax when she was young, but those vax haven't been refreshed, as we never anticipated these sorts of run-ins. So, does anyone have thoughts on any treatment I should start? How long should I wait to have her tested? It looks like felineleukemia.org recommends 90 days? I realize that there's a possibility that this particular neg didn't come into any real contact with the virus, and if she did, that there's a decent chance she'll fight it off. However, since this cat is not mine but is the love of my mom's life, I'm crawling out of my skin right now. Your thoughts? Lance __ NOD32 3003 (20080404) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 39, Issue 8
/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony if these 2 stay positive. I am not sure where I will be able to get then neutered if they are positive. And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized. That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it. Is there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony? Any advise on how to get them neutered? Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them neutered? Sharyl Sissy and Rocket ES of VA - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. - Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20080404/4c295154/attachment.html -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:50:08 -0500 From: Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: accidental pos/negs interaction To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes I know I should know better than to have a panic attack about this, but I'm really close to having a panic attack about this. I awoke quite early this morning to discover that two of our negs had managed to get into my bedroom with my pos. Some of the cat sounds (primarily scratching on the cat tree) sounded different, because they were coming from a bigger cat, but it didn't register until I got up. My pos, while growly, wasn't acting too wound up. I'm proud of her. I'm concerned because, of course, not only is my pos in here but her food dish and litter box. Also, I don't know what was going on or how long the cats had been in here with us. I have good reason to believe that one of the cats is resistant to the virus, but the younger cat, a two year old, I'm not so sure about. She got the first round of FeLV+ vax when she was young, but those vax haven't been refreshed, as we never anticipated these sorts of run-ins. So, does anyone have thoughts on any treatment I should start? How long should I wait to have her tested? It looks like felineleukemia.org recommends 90 days? I realize that there's a possibility that this particular neg didn't come into any real contact with the virus, and if she did, that there's a decent chance she'll fight it off. However, since this cat is not mine but is the love of my mom's life, I'm crawling out of my skin right now. Your thoughts? Lance End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 39, Issue 8 *** You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: accidental pos/negs interaction
No one knows for sure how long the FELV vaccine is good. But when I had my outbreak two years ago all the cats who had been vaccinated once were negative. It had been many years since I had vaccinated them and there was no boosters given. Cats that had never been vaccinated were in the group testing positive. Then there were two cats who had not been vaccinated who tested negative as well. They were not very social kitties but also probably had natural immunity. I would not panic over this my understanding is it takes repeated exposure to infect a cat. Sally she'll fight it off. However, since this cat is not mine but is the love of my mom's life, I'm crawling out of my skin right now. Your thoughts? Lance -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
spay/neuter resources
try www.neuterspay.org under low-cost resources. database is huge so takes awhile to load; it's not totally up-to-date because i haven't been on top of it, but at the time, it was THE most accurate in the country. (that said, no sooner had i entered a program than the info changed. or the program got cancelled sigh.) gloria, check and see if yours are listed. MC On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Anita. I have heard back from both and neither have a vet in my area. Will just start saving up money and pursue finding sponsors for the kitties. Sharyl *Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: You could also check out Pets 911 - lists rescues and their services, including spay/neuter, TNR, etc. http://www.pets911.com/index.php Or phone toll free 1-888-PETS-911 Best wishes, Anita -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:51:54 -0500 Oops - not reading my email in sequence, sorry. Well, hope you find something a lot less than $100 per. gloria On Apr 3, 2008, at 4:07 AM, Pat Kachur wrote: Does Spay USA have a branch in your state? In Georgia (Spay Georgia), one can purchase certificates which allow a huge discount at participating vets. They send a list of those vets when they send your certificates. - Original Message - *From:* Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:02 PM *Subject:* Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Thanks Gloria. So far it looks like the best I'm going to be able to do on the neutering is $100. There is a chance the Tidewater SPCA Neuter Scooter will come over to the Eastern Shore and I could save $25. I can afford to care for the 2 I have rescued. I'll have to work on colony one cat at a time as my budget allows. I am trying to recruit local sponsors to help with the cost. Local SPCA doesn't believe in TNR for ferals. I just don't want to have to tell the vet anything when I bring in a colony kitty. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket *Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: That's wonderful that you're doing this. Would be nice if you could find a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund the neutering. RE your question about telling the vet, I don't know. If 2 are positive, still doesn't mean all the others are, although of course there's a chance. Any vet should be aware that if the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for FELV or FIV. Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as I understand. Least my take on it. Hope you find a good option for low cost or free neutering. Gloria On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote: I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2, Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old. On their 1st vet visit both tested FeLV+. I will have both retested the end of April to see if they are still positive. I have them quarantined in my garage. They are eating Iams canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and DMG. So far they are responding well and seem very healthy. Both have had their kitten shots and been wormed. If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build an enclosure onto the garage for them. I have 2 indoor kitties and one has CRF so am concerned about bringing them into the house. My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4 adults. I can not take all of them in. My plan had been to TNR the colony (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony if these 2 stay positive. I am not sure where I will be able to get then neutered if they are positive. And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized. That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it. Is there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony? Any advise on how to get them neutered? Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them neutered? Sharyl Sissy and Rocket ES of VA -- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Accesshttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47523/*http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com, No Cost. -- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Accesshttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47523/*http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com, No Cost. -- Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now.http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_getintouch_042008 -- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total
Re: Ringworm
ringworm, like cockroaches and twinkies, will outlive us all, no matter what we do. it sits backs and laughs at us all. there are a number of protocols listed on persian sites specifically for dealing with it, as persians and himmies seem to be more susceptible to it than other cats--a genetic link is suspected as carmen says, tho, everyday antifungal cream treats the symptomatic cats, and the majority of the others won't get it anyway. first time i ever dealt with it was in the FeLV kitten room we had five with small patches, and we treated them--it went away, WITHOUT the other 45 or so getting it. (i got it, mind you, but i have a compromised immune system. i don't get it any longer.) if you go to some of the veterinary sites, and read through EVERYTHING, and finally get to the bottom of the page, in the very fine print, you'll see, goes away on its own in three months, with or without treatment. so if you want to throw out all your curtains and rugs and clothing, and shampoo all the cats weekly for months, and do the toothbrush tests at the vet, and turn yourself and the cats green and stinky with lime-sulphur dip, you can. there IS a laundry additive/cleaning solution additive that a persian rescue swears by--all i have to do is figure out where the heck i saved the durned link. incidentally, magic works on ringworm as well as anything else does--there are all sorts of things that people claim will cure it that have been completely disproven by research, but work for the people who believe in them. so don't rule out that option, either. On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Golden Seal on ringworm - works pretty well, unless it's in the eyes, and don't use it there unless I have an eye formula. I buy an $8 bottle(tincture) at the health food store. IT has a dropper, but sometimes I just use s q-tip. I never do massive daily cleaning - don't have time. I treat it, it goes away, I no longer have it. Had one little Persian with ringworm, that a groomer suggested a specific type bath for - and it sure did work. Have to look it up to see what kind of bath. GLoria On Apr 3, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Chris wrote: A bit OT but I figure if anyone has had experience is knowledgeable, it would be someone here… Ringworm—suddenly have an outbreak; have 6 cats presently (1 waiting for adopter)—only a couple seem to have it—long story of how it managed to get in but now I'm really lost. I have meds from vet to apply shampoo. BUT how do I clean!I borrowed a Wood's Lamp from someone and of course I see things glowing everywhere Is the lamp good to check for spores on fabric (clothes, rugs, etc) walls or is it only for checking living things (me and the cats—LOL). I am starting to scrub and clean but now wonder, do I do that massive cleaning every day? I can't keep the cats confined though I did close them out of one of the bedrooms. Outside of that, they're everywhere and NOT trained to stay off furniture-LOL. Any tips, suggestions, etc. would be so gratefully appreciated. *Christiane Biagi* *914-632-4672* *Cell: 913-720-6888* [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Cat Fancy
hey Sherry--a friend that I mentioned the article on Crash's Landing to just brought me a copy. What a great place, and a great veterinarian (but of course we know that already!) It's nice to read about where you volunteer--a rare opportunity! Good indeed to have happy news for once! hugs, Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:36 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: Cat Fancy Hey everyonecrashs Landing made it to the big time!!! Check out Mays issue of CatFancy and read about us!! It is good to have happy news for once. :) Sherry Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Cat Fancy
I've got to try to pick up a copy of the magazine! On 4/4/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey Sherry--a friend that I mentioned the article on Crash's Landing to just brought me a copy. What a great place, and a great veterinarian (but of course we know that already!) It's nice to read about where you volunteer--a rare opportunity! Good indeed to have happy news for once! hugs, Kerry -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Sherry DeHaan *Sent:* Monday, March 17, 2008 7:36 PM *To:* Felvtalk *Subject:* Cat Fancy Hey everyonecrashs Landing made it to the big time!!! Check out Mays issue of CatFancy and read about us!! It is good to have happy news for once. :) Sherry -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
Re: accidental pos/negs interaction
Lance don't panic, really. The chance of transmission is extremely rare for that brief interaction. Remember that most cats have a natural immunity and if the negative kitty were to be susceptible it would take prolonged contact. Her chances of being struck by lightening are greater than contracting FeLV during that brief meet up. Give Ember some extra hugs. Jane On Apr 4, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Lance wrote: I know I should know better than to have a panic attack about this, but I'm really close to having a panic attack about this. I awoke quite early this morning to discover that two of our negs had managed to get into my bedroom with my pos. Some of the cat sounds (primarily scratching on the cat tree) sounded different, because they were coming from a bigger cat, but it didn't register until I got up. My pos, while growly, wasn't acting too wound up. I'm proud of her. I'm concerned because, of course, not only is my pos in here but her food dish and litter box. Also, I don't know what was going on or how long the cats had been in here with us. I have good reason to believe that one of the cats is resistant to the virus, but the younger cat, a two year old, I'm not so sure about. She got the first round of FeLV+ vax when she was young, but those vax haven't been refreshed, as we never anticipated these sorts of run-ins. So, does anyone have thoughts on any treatment I should start? How long should I wait to have her tested? It looks like felineleukemia.org recommends 90 days? I realize that there's a possibility that this particular neg didn't come into any real contact with the virus, and if she did, that there's a decent chance she'll fight it off. However, since this cat is not mine but is the love of my mom's life, I'm crawling out of my skin right now. Your thoughts? Lance
Re: Ringworm
i think i read someplace, or perhaps it's just folk wisdom, that the only thing that'll actually kill ringworm spores is a nuclear blast--and those tend to really ruin one's day. (there IS one form of ringworm that is, essentially, an ingrown kind that causes horrible, terrible, untreatable eruptions and abcesses, but it's only been documented in persians and himmies, and one dog, if i recall correctly there is ONE researcher in the country working on it i lost my darling gypsy to it last april 13th, but she had an early form of it for years before it was finally diagnosed, and despite it having erupted and being really really disgusting, and her living in a houseful of persians, NO ONE ELSE EVER GOT ANY VERSION of it. not only that, but there have been more than 40 cats, at least, in and out of the apartment i used to live in at the sanctuary, and none of THEM have ever gotten it either. so i guess i am more concerned about a nuclear accident than i am about a little ringyworm.) On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many thanks to everyone who has offered suggestions… I'm much less panicking about this… and definitely do NOT plan on throwing out the rugs, curtains, etc. First off, I gave up wall to wall carpet a long time ago and only area rugs that can be sent to cleaning make it through the door—LOL. And those small scatter rugs==well they have a short life expectancy in my house anyway… *Christiane Biagi* *914-632-4672* *Cell: 913-720-6888* [EMAIL PROTECTED] * *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *MaryChristine *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2008 4:58 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Ringworm ringworm, like cockroaches and twinkies, will outlive us all, no matter what we do. it sits backs and laughs at us all. there are a number of protocols listed on persian sites specifically for dealing with it, as persians and himmies seem to be more susceptible to it than other cats--a genetic link is suspected as carmen says, tho, everyday antifungal cream treats the symptomatic cats, and the majority of the others won't get it anyway. first time i ever dealt with it was in the FeLV kitten room we had five with small patches, and we treated them--it went away, WITHOUT the other 45 or so getting it. (i got it, mind you, but i have a compromised immune system. i don't get it any longer.) if you go to some of the veterinary sites, and read through EVERYTHING, and finally get to the bottom of the page, in the very fine print, you'll see, goes away on its own in three months, with or without treatment. so if you want to throw out all your curtains and rugs and clothing, and shampoo all the cats weekly for months, and do the toothbrush tests at the vet, and turn yourself and the cats green and stinky with lime-sulphur dip, you can. there IS a laundry additive/cleaning solution additive that a persian rescue swears by--all i have to do is figure out where the heck i saved the durned link. incidentally, magic works on ringworm as well as anything else does--there are all sorts of things that people claim will cure it that have been completely disproven by research, but work for the people who believe in them. so don't rule out that option, either. On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Golden Seal on ringworm - works pretty well, unless it's in the eyes, and don't use it there unless I have an eye formula. I buy an $8 bottle(tincture) at the health food store. IT has a dropper, but sometimes I just use s q-tip. I never do massive daily cleaning - don't have time. I treat it, it goes away, I no longer have it. Had one little Persian with ringworm, that a groomer suggested a specific type bath for - and it sure did work. Have to look it up to see what kind of bath. GLoria On Apr 3, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Chris wrote: A bit OT but I figure if anyone has had experience is knowledgeable, it would be someone here… Ringworm—suddenly have an outbreak; have 6 cats presently (1 waiting for adopter)—only a couple seem to have it—long story of how it managed to get in but now I'm really lost. I have meds from vet to apply shampoo. BUT how do I clean!I borrowed a Wood's Lamp from someone and of course I see things glowing everywhere Is the lamp good to check for spores on fabric (clothes, rugs, etc) walls or is it only for checking living things (me and the cats—LOL). I am starting to scrub and clean but now wonder, do I do that massive cleaning every day? I can't keep the cats confined though I did close them out of one of the bedrooms. Outside of that, they're everywhere and NOT trained to stay off furniture-LOL. Any tips, suggestions, etc. would be so gratefully appreciated. *Christiane Biagi* *914-632-4672* *Cell: 913-720-6888* [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: spay/neuter resources
Some resources near the Eastern Shore here: http://www.paw-rescue.org/sn.php Rinn On Apr 4, 2008, at 4:47 PM, MaryChristine wrote: try www.neuterspay.org under low-cost resources. database is huge so takes awhile to load; it's not totally up-to-date because i haven't been on top of it, but at the time, it was THE most accurate in the country. (that said, no sooner had i entered a program than the info changed. or the program got cancelled sigh.) gloria, check and see if yours are listed. MC On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Anita. I have heard back from both and neither have a vet in my area. Will just start saving up money and pursue finding sponsors for the kitties. Sharyl Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could also check out Pets 911 - lists rescues and their services, including spay/neuter, TNR, etc. http://www.pets911.com/index.php Or phone toll free 1-888-PETS-911 Best wishes, Anita From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:51:54 -0500 Oops - not reading my email in sequence, sorry. Well, hope you find something a lot less than $100 per. gloria On Apr 3, 2008, at 4:07 AM, Pat Kachur wrote: Does Spay USA have a branch in your state? In Georgia (Spay Georgia), one can purchase certificates which allow a huge discount at participating vets. They send a list of those vets when they send your certificates. - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Thanks Gloria. So far it looks like the best I'm going to be able to do on the neutering is $100. There is a chance the Tidewater SPCA Neuter Scooter will come over to the Eastern Shore and I could save $25. I can afford to care for the 2 I have rescued. I'll have to work on colony one cat at a time as my budget allows. I am trying to recruit local sponsors to help with the cost. Local SPCA doesn't believe in TNR for ferals. I just don't want to have to tell the vet anything when I bring in a colony kitty. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's wonderful that you're doing this. Would be nice if you could find a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund the neutering. RE your question about telling the vet, I don't know. If 2 are positive, still doesn't mean all the others are, although of course there's a chance. Any vet should be aware that if the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for FELV or FIV. Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as I understand. Least my take on it. Hope you find a good option for low cost or free neutering. Gloria On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote: I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2, Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old. On their 1st vet visit both tested FeLV+. I will have both retested the end of April to see if they are still positive. I have them quarantined in my garage. They are eating Iams canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and DMG. So far they are responding well and seem very healthy. Both have had their kitten shots and been wormed. If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build an enclosure onto the garage for them. I have 2 indoor kitties and one has CRF so am concerned about bringing them into the house. My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4 adults. I can not take all of them in. My plan had been to TNR the colony (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony if these 2 stay positive. I am not sure where I will be able to get then neutered if they are positive. And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized. That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it. Is there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony? Any advise on how to get them neutered? Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them neutered? Sharyl Sissy and Rocket ES of VA You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Another Important Question
i question whether the terminology of carrier has any meaning at all, actually. i suspect that it may actually be a leftover from the earliest days when research into the virus was just starting, and was a working hypothesis that hasn't ever actually been tested. what makes me wonder about it is the very high rate of non-transmission in mixed households, for one thing, as well as the fact that in sanctuary settings, even with cats getting symptomatic and dying with sad regularity, we're still finding a number of actually negatives in the populations from when we didn't know we needed to retest. i just had a discussion recently with a doc (human, but still) who doesn't think that throwing off one strain of the virus would make a cat immune to the other strains, NOR that standard virology explains how the continued exposure to the virus on an ongoing basis would affect a cat. (i think she's using some older research where the virus was GIVEN to cats, as opposed to it being acquired more naturally over the persistent, prolonged period generally believed to be necessary... so i wonder if the virus is actually being shed all the time when the cat is asymptomatic--or is it just assumed to be? we always say that an FeLV cat is just a normal cat until/if the virus is activated--and that we don't really know what activates it. maybe, like the mutation that turns the common FeCoV into FIP, there's an actual change in the virus when it's activated, and THAT'S what is contagious? maybe an asymptomatic cat sheds a more benign form of the virus? i think, a lot, about chicken pox and shingles. i do not sit around defining myself as a carrier of the varicella virus, but , of course, i am--as are most of us. are we all shedding the virus because our systems are harboring it? i think that the very terms, carrier and shedding are more value-laden than informational--i know for me, they aren't quantifiable, but surely do bring up the old stories of typhoid mary--and the misinformation that continues to kill cats with FIV and isolate humans with HIV. maybe some strains of the FeLV virus are more susceptible to activation than others--just takes me back to what i keep repeating: until recently, the majority of the research population has been euthanized, so we just do not know enough. and it's pretty damned scary when non-scientists seem to know more than those who SHOULD be the experts, she says, grumbling. MC On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes that is my understanding also, she has the virus but it is dormant. I think it just means she carries the virus (not disease) but doesn't get sick. Gloria -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Junior's story
I just posted a tribute to Junior on my website. There is a picture of him as a baby. He is a very condensed version of his life. Today is the three week anniversary of when he joined his brother Tiny in heaven. He touched my life and I will always remember him. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/viewtopic.php?f=5t=62 Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: Junior's story
How beautifully touching Sally. It still breaks my heart to read about these losses. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 7:54 PM Subject: Junior's story I just posted a tribute to Junior on my website. There is a picture of him as a baby. He is a very condensed version of his life. Today is the three week anniversary of when he joined his brother Tiny in heaven. He touched my life and I will always remember him. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/viewtopic.php?f=5t=62 Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: Junior's story
Lynne Of course there is so much more. It was hard to write a short version, but I needed to do this. Junior lived longer than he would have had I not taken him in. I only wish I had done better. I do know he loved me. I brought him home from teh Vet's office and laid him on teh floor for a while so the other cats would know what happened. He is laid to rest at the edge of my property with other angels. I planted a yellow heelebore in his honor. He is finally outside again. In the last year he showed no urge to go outside. His eyesight was poor and I think it scared him. Sally On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How beautifully touching Sally. It still breaks my heart to read about these losses. Lynne - Original Message - *From:* Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2008 7:54 PM *Subject:* Junior's story I just posted a tribute to Junior on my website. There is a picture of him as a baby. He is a very condensed version of his life. Today is the three week anniversary of when he joined his brother Tiny in heaven. He touched my life and I will always remember him. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/viewtopic.php?f=5t=62 Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: Junior's story
Very sweet Sally thank you for sharing Juniors story.He was very lucky to have you. We have an orange Junior at Sids.He is a very sweet boy too.Hugs to you. Sherry and my 5 beautiful babies Rafferty,CousCous,Xander,Tristan and Mystique ^..^ Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just posted a tribute to Junior on my website. There is a picture of him as a baby. He is a very condensed version of his life. Today is the three week anniversary of when he joined his brother Tiny in heaven. He touched my life and I will always remember him. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/viewtopic.php?f=5t=62 Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket
That's a great idea - sponsors - we do that occasionally, I like it. Gloria On Apr 4, 2008, at 4:40 AM, Sharyl wrote: Thanks Anita. I have heard back from both and neither have a vet in my area. Will just start saving up money and pursue finding sponsors for the kitties. Sharyl Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could also check out Pets 911 - lists rescues and their services, including spay/neuter, TNR, etc. http://www.pets911.com/index.php Or phone toll free 1-888-PETS-911 Best wishes, Anita From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:51:54 -0500 Oops - not reading my email in sequence, sorry. Well, hope you find something a lot less than $100 per. gloria On Apr 3, 2008, at 4:07 AM, Pat Kachur wrote: Does Spay USA have a branch in your state? In Georgia (Spay Georgia), one can purchase certificates which allow a huge discount at participating vets. They send a list of those vets when they send your certificates. - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Thanks Gloria. So far it looks like the best I'm going to be able to do on the neutering is $100. There is a chance the Tidewater SPCA Neuter Scooter will come over to the Eastern Shore and I could save $25. I can afford to care for the 2 I have rescued. I'll have to work on colony one cat at a time as my budget allows. I am trying to recruit local sponsors to help with the cost. Local SPCA doesn't believe in TNR for ferals. I just don't want to have to tell the vet anything when I bring in a colony kitty. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's wonderful that you're doing this. Would be nice if you could find a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund the neutering. RE your question about telling the vet, I don't know. If 2 are positive, still doesn't mean all the others are, although of course there's a chance. Any vet should be aware that if the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for FELV or FIV. Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as I understand. Least my take on it. Hope you find a good option for low cost or free neutering. Gloria On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote: I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2, Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old. On their 1st vet visit both tested FeLV+. I will have both retested the end of April to see if they are still positive. I have them quarantined in my garage. They are eating Iams canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and DMG. So far they are responding well and seem very healthy. Both have had their kitten shots and been wormed. If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build an enclosure onto the garage for them. I have 2 indoor kitties and one has CRF so am concerned about bringing them into the house. My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4 adults. I can not take all of them in. My plan had been to TNR the colony (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony if these 2 stay positive. I am not sure where I will be able to get then neutered if they are positive. And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized. That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it. Is there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony? Any advise on how to get them neutered? Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them neutered? Sharyl Sissy and Rocket ES of VA You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
Re: accidental pos/negs interaction
I've come to think that adult healthy FELV- cats are just not really very susceptible to infection thru casual contact with FELV+ cats. Shoot, I wouldn't worry a minute about it. Gloria On Apr 4, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Lance wrote: I know I should know better than to have a panic attack about this, but I'm really close to having a panic attack about this. I awoke quite early this morning to discover that two of our negs had managed to get into my bedroom with my pos. Some of the cat sounds (primarily scratching on the cat tree) sounded different, because they were coming from a bigger cat, but it didn't register until I got up. My pos, while growly, wasn't acting too wound up. I'm proud of her. I'm concerned because, of course, not only is my pos in here but her food dish and litter box. Also, I don't know what was going on or how long the cats had been in here with us. I have good reason to believe that one of the cats is resistant to the virus, but the younger cat, a two year old, I'm not so sure about. She got the first round of FeLV+ vax when she was young, but those vax haven't been refreshed, as we never anticipated these sorts of run-ins. So, does anyone have thoughts on any treatment I should start? How long should I wait to have her tested? It looks like felineleukemia.org recommends 90 days? I realize that there's a possibility that this particular neg didn't come into any real contact with the virus, and if she did, that there's a decent chance she'll fight it off. However, since this cat is not mine but is the love of my mom's life, I'm crawling out of my skin right now. Your thoughts? Lance
Re: spay/neuter resources
For my area (the 501 area code), the only listings are Care, and also North Little Rock Friends of Animals (which is actually the city animal control). At least both those do offer some options for s/n, but I just haven't seen a site where they really list what's available in low cost s/n. Maybe these s/n clinics change frequently and it's hard to innumerate them? Gloria On Apr 4, 2008, at 3:47 PM, MaryChristine wrote: try www.neuterspay.org under low-cost resources. database is huge so takes awhile to load; it's not totally up-to-date because i haven't been on top of it, but at the time, it was THE most accurate in the country. (that said, no sooner had i entered a program than the info changed. or the program got cancelled sigh.) gloria, check and see if yours are listed. MC On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Anita. I have heard back from both and neither have a vet in my area. Will just start saving up money and pursue finding sponsors for the kitties. Sharyl Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could also check out Pets 911 - lists rescues and their services, including spay/neuter, TNR, etc. http://www.pets911.com/index.php Or phone toll free 1-888-PETS-911 Best wishes, Anita From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:51:54 -0500 Oops - not reading my email in sequence, sorry. Well, hope you find something a lot less than $100 per. gloria On Apr 3, 2008, at 4:07 AM, Pat Kachur wrote: Does Spay USA have a branch in your state? In Georgia (Spay Georgia), one can purchase certificates which allow a huge discount at participating vets. They send a list of those vets when they send your certificates. - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Thanks Gloria. So far it looks like the best I'm going to be able to do on the neutering is $100. There is a chance the Tidewater SPCA Neuter Scooter will come over to the Eastern Shore and I could save $25. I can afford to care for the 2 I have rescued. I'll have to work on colony one cat at a time as my budget allows. I am trying to recruit local sponsors to help with the cost. Local SPCA doesn't believe in TNR for ferals. I just don't want to have to tell the vet anything when I bring in a colony kitty. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's wonderful that you're doing this. Would be nice if you could find a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund the neutering. RE your question about telling the vet, I don't know. If 2 are positive, still doesn't mean all the others are, although of course there's a chance. Any vet should be aware that if the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for FELV or FIV. Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as I understand. Least my take on it. Hope you find a good option for low cost or free neutering. Gloria On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote: I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2, Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old. On their 1st vet visit both tested FeLV+. I will have both retested the end of April to see if they are still positive. I have them quarantined in my garage. They are eating Iams canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and DMG. So far they are responding well and seem very healthy. Both have had their kitten shots and been wormed. If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build an enclosure onto the garage for them. I have 2 indoor kitties and one has CRF so am concerned about bringing them into the house. My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4 adults. I can not take all of them in. My plan had been to TNR the colony (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony if these 2 stay positive. I am not sure where I will be able to get then neutered if they are positive. And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized. That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it. Is there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony? Any advise on how to get them neutered? Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them neutered? Sharyl Sissy and Rocket ES of VA You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. -- Spay
Re: spay/neuter resources
it could be a full-time job keeping up with them, seriously. i was ONLY checking out places that had websites, and sometimes it was almost impossible to actually FIND the information--and of the places i emailed, in my official name so they wouldn't automatically ignore it, i got a less than 10% response rate. i was using every main source available, and for some states i went to over 500 shelter/rescue sites--yet sometimes i found out about programs and clinics not from the sites themselves, but from someone ELSE'S site that referenced them. very difficult to find the information, and so many programs are funded only until the money runs out. the nationwide programs, like spayUSA and friends of animals have a completely different way of listing/searching for programs, so unless a place said that they participated in one of those programs, we couldn't include them i asked for help from one major group of spay/neuter activists, but got no responses, tho they had lots of time and energy to attack one another and everyone else's politics, so sometimes you just have to wonder what the real agendas are. if anyone has lots of time on their hands, we'd be GLAD to have help in working on keeping the site as close to updated as is humanly possible (oh, yeah--the animal-control facility in my own county has/had a low-cost s/n program there's NO mention of it anywhere on their website i found out about it through rumors.and no one i spoke to locally had ever heard about it either. makes it a bit inaccessible.) really tired of winter here in the midwest. On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For my area (the 501 area code), the only listings are Care, and also North Little Rock Friends of Animals (which is actually the city animal control). At least both those do offer some options for s/n, but I just haven't seen a site where they really list what's available in low cost s/n. Maybe these s/n clinics change frequently and it's hard to innumerate them? Gloria On Apr 4, 2008, at 3:47 PM, MaryChristine wrote: try www.neuterspay.org under low-cost resources. database is huge so takes awhile to load; it's not totally up-to-date because i haven't been on top of it, but at the time, it was THE most accurate in the country. (that said, no sooner had i entered a program than the info changed. or the program got cancelled sigh.) gloria, check and see if yours are listed. MC On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Anita. I have heard back from both and neither have a vet in my area. Will just start saving up money and pursue finding sponsors for the kitties. Sharyl Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could also check out Pets 911 - lists rescues and their services, including spay/neuter, TNR, etc. http://www.pets911.com/index.php Or phone toll free 1-888-PETS-911 Best wishes, Anita From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:51:54 -0500 Oops - not reading my email in sequence, sorry. Well, hope you find something a lot less than $100 per. gloria On Apr 3, 2008, at 4:07 AM, Pat Kachur wrote: Does Spay USA have a branch in your state? In Georgia (Spay Georgia), one can purchase certificates which allow a huge discount at participating vets. They send a list of those vets when they send your certificates. - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket Thanks Gloria. So far it looks like the best I'm going to be able to do on the neutering is $100. There is a chance the Tidewater SPCA Neuter Scooter will come over to the Eastern Shore and I could save $25. I can afford to care for the 2 I have rescued. I'll have to work on colony one cat at a time as my budget allows. I am trying to recruit local sponsors to help with the cost. Local SPCA doesn't believe in TNR for ferals. I just don't want to have to tell the vet anything when I bring in a colony kitty. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's wonderful that you're doing this. Would be nice if you could find a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund the neutering. RE your question about telling the vet, I don't know. If 2 are positive, still doesn't mean all the others are, although of course there's a chance. Any vet should be aware that if the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for FELV or FIV. Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as I understand. Least my take on it. Hope you find a good option for low cost or free neutering. Gloria On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote: I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens
