Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac
We had Cody's fluoxetine's compounded into a transdermal gel that we rubbed on the inside of his ear. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!
Good idea. You would not forgive yourself if something happened and you didn't. If you have a holistic/alternative vet in the area you might consult them. If not, and if you would like, I have the website of one who will do telelphone consults. Carolyn has used her too. On Jun 23, 2008, at 6:59 AM, Lynne wrote: Thank you so much Gloria. I am going to print the article below and take it to our vet. I've decided to have her checked out thoroughly by our vet before having the spay. I realize the importance of having the surgery. I'm a huge advocate of sterilizing and feel a bit of a hipocrit for not getting this done, but I also will not risk her life if there is the slightest chance of something happening to her. She is healthy, or so she was given a clean bill of health when we got her, but still I want her examined first by our vet. Lynne - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:16 AM Subject: Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS! Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING PERSIANS! Small airways, more risk of death. As I understand this is a Persian! Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've spayed Persians before, know what they're doing, will intubate, etc. Don't let just any vet spay a Persian. I lost a kitty this way. See the article below. Gloria -- - On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory
I must be nuts!
Hi Everyone! Saturday I went to a local cat rescue home and adopted a beautiful 16lb. flame point siamese boy. He is 10 years old and FeLV+. I have been missing my cuddler, Tucker, so much that I just wanted another loveable lap cat kitty. There were over 200 cats in that home but when I picked up Orlando it was all over. He just snuggled right in. His previous owner passed away in January. She had a lot of acreage, a couple of barns and a shop where she made signs. She had 17 cats who roamed the place and were never let inside or given vet care. When she passed away her husband brought all the cats to this rescue and several were FeLV+. Ironically, that was about the time Buzz was diagnosed and I was still trying to find a home for him. When I called this rescue they told me that they had just taken in several positives and did not have room. If someone had told me then that I would be taking one of the positives I never would have believed them. Anyway, Orlando is a very special sweetheart of a cat. He is even getting along fairly well with the other 5. Yesterday I had him to the vets and they found that he had once had a broken leg that was never taken care of and healed wrong. (I knew his back right leg was stiff). Time will tell if that is something to take care of now or not. They also re-confirmed the FeLV+. Anyway I am getting way too long winded. Thanks for listening to me ramble, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
RE: looking for advice re kitty prozac
Thank you all, you wonderful folks, for the many great suggestions -- I'm passing them on to Gala, my co-worker. Much appreciated! Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac Different drugs have different absorbtion rates. We could not do transdermal prozac wth Peepers because we could not tailor the dose reliabily when given through the skin. If your vet prescribed a certain med, ask the vet at thaty time if transdermal is an option. Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, can other drugs be made into creams to be used in the ear? I have a 24 pound foster cat with a bad URI, and he had to spend a week at the vet (at a cost of over $300) because I absolutely could not give him oral meds. Can this be done with Clavamox or Baytril? Laura --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Belinda Sauro wrote: From: Belinda Sauro Subject: Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 1:58 PM That is also what I did with Cody, we started with the most commonly used of the drugs (amytriptaline), we tried 2 or 3 before trying the prozac, they all helped but only the prozac stopped it completely. I tried amytriptaline (that's probably spelled wrong!) on Ruben for inappropriate urination.I now believe that it was his first signs that something was wrong with him internally My daughter used the same drug (we had it compounded into a cream we could rub into the ear...pilling was out of the question) on one of her male cats...her cat became more calm, but I'm not sure it completely solved the problem. I have heard people are having great results with the plug ins that release certain pheremones that are calming, but I haven't tried them yet myself. Good luck, it's one of a cat owner's biggest problems!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Belinda: looking for advice re kitty prozac
Belindajust wanted to clarify. (It was me who started the confusion, using the term prozac!) By prozac (below) stopping it completely, do you mean the fluoxetine that you used--the fluoxetine stopped it completely.? If the foaming issue is easily fixed (as it seems to be in everyone's experience) then it's def worth her trying the fluoxetine again. Thanks again! Kerry That is also what I did with Cody, we started with the most commonly used of the drugs (amytriptaline), we tried 2 or 3 before trying the prozac, they all helped but only the prozac stopped it completely. We had Cody's fluoxetine's compounded into a transdermal gel that we rubbed on the inside of his ear. Belinda From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac Different drugs have different absorbtion rates. We could not do transdermal prozac wth Peepers because we could not tailor the dose reliabily when given through the skin. If your vet prescribed a certain med, ask the vet at thaty time if transdermal is an option. Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, can other drugs be made into creams to be used in the ear? I have a 24 pound foster cat with a bad URI, and he had to spend a week at the vet (at a cost of over $300) because I absolutely could not give him oral meds. Can this be done with Clavamox or Baytril? Laura --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Belinda Sauro wrote: From: Belinda Sauro Subject: Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 1:58 PM That is also what I did with Cody, we started with the most commonly used of the drugs (amytriptaline), we tried 2 or 3 before trying the prozac, they all helped but only the prozac stopped it completely. I tried amytriptaline (that's probably spelled wrong!) on Ruben for inappropriate urination.I now believe that it was his first signs that something was wrong with him internally My daughter used the same drug (we had it compounded into a cream we could rub into the ear...pilling was out of the question) on one of her male cats...her cat became more calm, but I'm not sure it completely solved the problem. I have heard people are having great results with the plug ins that release certain pheremones that are calming, but I haven't tried them yet myself. Good luck, it's one of a cat owner's biggest problems!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
RE: looking for advice re kitty prozac
I entered this conversation late, but if this has not been said, then here's my two cents: Sometimes with a cat that WILL NOT take meds orally, you can go to the supermarket deli, ask for a chunk of Boar's Head liverwurst (I believe BH does not contain onion powder, so is safe for cats), take it home, and use it to make little pill pockets to hide the meds. Most of my cats LOVE the liverwurst, and will eat it right up. Not all of them, but most. Worth a try?... - Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=Y3BxMzc0NQ%3D%3D Subject: RE: looking for advice re kitty prozac Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:57:15 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Thank you all, you wonderful folks, for the many great suggestions -- I'm passing them on to Gala, my co-worker. Much appreciated! Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac Different drugs have different absorbtion rates. We could not do transdermal prozac wth Peepers because we could not tailor the dose reliabily when given through the skin. If your vet prescribed a certain med, ask the vet at thaty time if transdermal is an option. Laura Mostello _ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_062008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Belinda: looking for advice re kitty prozac
Hi Kerry, Yes the flouxetine stopped that all together, he didn't mark while he was on it. I kept him on it for about 6 months then took him off it because he was just laying around, thinking it was the flouxetine that was making him lazy, but come to find out that is just the way Cody is. He does mark on occasion, every few months, nothing like before. He used to mark all over the house several times a day, everyday. The first med made it less often, the second even less often, but the flouxetine stopped the behavior completely. I was told that half the animals using it would go back to marking if taken off, but decided to give it a try. I decided not to put him back on it because I can deal with marking every few months, if it gets worse I would put him back on it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: I must be nuts!
Hooray for Orlando and for you!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
RE: looking for advice re kitty prozac
Thank you! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C PQ Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: looking for advice re kitty prozac I entered this conversation late, but if this has not been said, then here's my two cents: Sometimes with a cat that WILL NOT take meds orally, you can go to the supermarket deli, ask for a chunk of Boar's Head liverwurst (I believe BH does not contain onion powder, so is safe for cats), take it home, and use it to make little pill pockets to hide the meds. Most of my cats LOVE the liverwurst, and will eat it right up. Not all of them, but most. Worth a try?... - Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=Y3BxMzc0NQ%3D%3D Subject: RE: looking for advice re kitty prozac Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:57:15 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Thank you all, you wonderful folks, for the many great suggestions -- I'm passing them on to Gala, my co-worker. Much appreciated! Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac Different drugs have different absorbtion rates. We could not do transdermal prozac wth Peepers because we could not tailor the dose reliabily when given through the skin. If your vet prescribed a certain med, ask the vet at thaty time if transdermal is an option. Laura Mostello _ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGL M_WL_Refresh_messenger_062008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
RE: Belinda: looking for advice re kitty prozac
Thanks so much again Belinda and everyone! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Belinda: looking for advice re kitty prozac Hi Kerry, Yes the flouxetine stopped that all together, he didn't mark while he was on it. I kept him on it for about 6 months then took him off it because he was just laying around, thinking it was the flouxetine that was making him lazy, but come to find out that is just the way Cody is. He does mark on occasion, every few months, nothing like before. He used to mark all over the house several times a day, everyday. The first med made it less often, the second even less often, but the flouxetine stopped the behavior completely. I was told that half the animals using it would go back to marking if taken off, but decided to give it a try. I decided not to put him back on it because I can deal with marking every few months, if it gets worse I would put him back on it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
Sounds good - better safe than sorry. Gloria On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Lynne wrote: Gloria, I spoke with my vet today and was assured that extra precautions are taken with cats like Persians. The anesthetic used is Isoflorine and she will be intubated. Lynne - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: Re: spaying Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh
Re: OT - sorta
I had double pos a few years back - Mr. Black Kitty (MBK) - course he was kind of scraggly and off the street when I got him. I did no special medical treatments, but did use special food at some point to stop diarrhea, worked great. He broke one of his frail legs, but the vet couldn't set it because it was so thin. I'm trying to remember - think I wrapped it with a splint so he could walk better. But he died suddenly after about a year, no signs of problems prior to that, ate well too, just died one night. I have 1 double pos now, B.B. He came to me in a pretty healthy state, and he has no problems. He's about 5 yrs old, have had him for a year, I think. All my feleuks are doing well now. With the feleuks I've had that died, I've used pretty conservative treatment on, figured why torture the kitties. Just try to keep the stress down, and deal with symptoms and keep them comfortable. Have had some chemo, some blood transfusions for anemia. If they're under 3 yrs, I use Interferon Alpha (which I can get cheaply) as a way to boost the immune system. Gloria On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, The off-topic part: We are trying to think of catchy names for our new service where we take the pets of low-income people for basic vet care (I.e. spay/neuter, rabies shot, etc). The on topic part of this: as some of you read, one of the kitties we had neutered through this program turned out double pos. So my question is: How far should we really go with this cat? He has a home, the owners cannot afford special care for him, I'm not sure it makes any difference if he is really + or not. We got the other cat in the household vaccinated and boostered. The problem is that the more we do for any individual cat, the less we can do for other cats. As a nonprofit we can get a discount on SNAP tests, but not (that I know of) IFA tests. I wish we could do everything for every cat, but clearly we can't do that... -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: I must be nuts!
I'm so happy for you two! We never know how long our little friends are going to be with us, so I don't think you're nuts. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:06:59 AM Subject: I must be nuts! Hi Everyone! Saturday I went to a local cat rescue home and adopted a beautiful 16lb. flame point siamese boy. He is 10 years old and FeLV+. I have been missing my cuddler, Tucker, so much that I just wanted another loveable lap cat kitty. There were over 200 cats in that home but when I picked up Orlando it was all over. He just snuggled right in. His previous owner passed away in January. She had a lot of acreage, a couple of barns and a shop where she made signs. She had 17 cats who roamed the place and were never let inside or given vet care. When she passed away her husband brought all the cats to this rescue and several were FeLV+. Ironically, that was about the time Buzz was diagnosed and I was still trying to find a home for him. When I called this rescue they told me that they had just taken in several positives and did not have room. If someone had told me then that I would be taking one of the positives I never would have believed them. Anyway, Orlando is a very special sweetheart of a cat. He is even getting along fairly well with the other 5. Yesterday I had him to the vets and they found that he had once had a broken leg that was never taken care of and healed wrong. (I knew his back right leg was stiff). Time will tell if that is something to take care of now or not. They also re-confirmed the FeLV+. Anyway I am getting way too long winded. Thanks for listening to me ramble, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: OT - sorta
We definitely can't afford Interferon Alpha for someone else's cat. I so wish we could afford to take care of everyone's cat that needed it, but we just can't. He is happy right now On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had double pos a few years back - Mr. Black Kitty (MBK) - course he was kind of scraggly and off the street when I got him. I did no special medical treatments, but did use special food at some point to stop diarrhea, worked great. He broke one of his frail legs, but the vet couldn't set it because it was so thin. I'm trying to remember - think I wrapped it with a splint so he could walk better. But he died suddenly after about a year, no signs of problems prior to that, ate well too, just died one night. I have 1 double pos now, B.B. He came to me in a pretty healthy state, and he has no problems. He's about 5 yrs old, have had him for a year, I think. All my feleuks are doing well now. With the feleuks I've had that died, I've used pretty conservative treatment on, figured why torture the kitties. Just try to keep the stress down, and deal with symptoms and keep them comfortable. Have had some chemo, some blood transfusions for anemia. If they're under 3 yrs, I use Interferon Alpha (which I can get cheaply) as a way to boost the immune system. Gloria On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, The off-topic part: We are trying to think of catchy names for our new service where we take the pets of low-income people for basic vet care (I.e. spay/neuter, rabies shot, etc). The on topic part of this: as some of you read, one of the kitties we had neutered through this program turned out double pos. So my question is: How far should we really go with this cat? He has a home, the owners cannot afford special care for him, I'm not sure it makes any difference if he is really + or not. We got the other cat in the household vaccinated and boostered. The problem is that the more we do for any individual cat, the less we can do for other cats. As a nonprofit we can get a discount on SNAP tests, but not (that I know of) IFA tests. I wish we could do everything for every cat, but clearly we can't do that... -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: OT - sorta
DIfferent vets sell it at different prices. If you get the right vet to sell it to you, you can indeed afford it.I get a large bottle - maybe quart or more mixed - for $15. I freeze it in individual containers. Lasts a long time. I was wondering if it was viable after freezing, a long time ago I asked the question on this list - and the answer was yes. So can only say that's my understanding. But $15 for even a month or 2 or 3 is pretty darn good. I'm not using it at this point, so can't tell you the details of the concentration, sorry, it's escaped my memory. Gloria At 05:56 PM 6/24/2008, you wrote: We definitely can't afford Interferon Alpha for someone else's cat. I so wish we could afford to take care of everyone's cat that needed it, but we just can't. He is happy right now On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Gloria Lane mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had double pos a few years back - Mr. Black Kitty (MBK) - course he was kind of scraggly and off the street when I got him. I did no special medical treatments, but did use special food at some point to stop diarrhea, worked great. He broke one of his frail legs, but the vet couldn't set it because it was so thin. I'm trying to remember - think I wrapped it with a splint so he could walk better. But he died suddenly after about a year, no signs of problems prior to that, ate well too, just died one night. I have 1 double pos now, B.B. He came to me in a pretty healthy state, and he has no problems. He's about 5 yrs old, have had him for a year, I think. All my feleuks are doing well now. With the feleuks I've had that died, I've used pretty conservative treatment on, figured why torture the kitties. Just try to keep the stress down, and deal with symptoms and keep them comfortable. Have had some chemo, some blood transfusions for anemia. If they're under 3 yrs, I use Interferon Alpha (which I can get cheaply) as a way to boost the immune system. Gloria On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, The off-topic part: We are trying to think of catchy names for our new service where we take the pets of low-income people for basic vet care (I.e. spay/neuter, rabies shot, etc). The on topic part of this: as some of you read, one of the kitties we had neutered through this program turned out double pos. So my question is: How far should we really go with this cat? He has a home, the owners cannot afford special care for him, I'm not sure it makes any difference if he is really + or not. We got the other cat in the household vaccinated and boostered. The problem is that the more we do for any individual cat, the less we can do for other cats. As a nonprofit we can get a discount on SNAP tests, but not (that I know of) IFA tests. I wish we could do everything for every cat, but clearly we can't do that... -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenseshttp://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgFelvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgFelvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenseshttp://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk
Re: OT - sorta
DIfferent vets sell it at different prices. If you get the right vet to sell it to you, you can indeed afford it.I get a large bottle - maybe quart or more mixed - for $15. I freeze it in individual containers. Lasts a long time. I was wondering if it was viable after freezing, a long time ago I asked the question on this list - and the answer was yes. So can only say that's my understanding. But $15 for even a month or 2 or 3 is pretty darn good. I'm not using it at this point, so can't tell you the details of the concentration, sorry, it's escaped my memory. Gloria At 05:56 PM 6/24/2008, you wrote: We definitely can't afford Interferon Alpha for someone else's cat. I so wish we could afford to take care of everyone's cat that needed it, but we just can't. He is happy right now On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Gloria Lane mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had double pos a few years back - Mr. Black Kitty (MBK) - course he was kind of scraggly and off the street when I got him. I did no special medical treatments, but did use special food at some point to stop diarrhea, worked great. He broke one of his frail legs, but the vet couldn't set it because it was so thin. I'm trying to remember - think I wrapped it with a splint so he could walk better. But he died suddenly after about a year, no signs of problems prior to that, ate well too, just died one night. I have 1 double pos now, B.B. He came to me in a pretty healthy state, and he has no problems. He's about 5 yrs old, have had him for a year, I think. All my feleuks are doing well now. With the feleuks I've had that died, I've used pretty conservative treatment on, figured why torture the kitties. Just try to keep the stress down, and deal with symptoms and keep them comfortable. Have had some chemo, some blood transfusions for anemia. If they're under 3 yrs, I use Interferon Alpha (which I can get cheaply) as a way to boost the immune system. Gloria On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, The off-topic part: We are trying to think of catchy names for our new service where we take the pets of low-income people for basic vet care (I.e. spay/neuter, rabies shot, etc). The on topic part of this: as some of you read, one of the kitties we had neutered through this program turned out double pos. So my question is: How far should we really go with this cat? He has a home, the owners cannot afford special care for him, I'm not sure it makes any difference if he is really + or not. We got the other cat in the household vaccinated and boostered. The problem is that the more we do for any individual cat, the less we can do for other cats. As a nonprofit we can get a discount on SNAP tests, but not (that I know of) IFA tests. I wish we could do everything for every cat, but clearly we can't do that... -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenseshttp://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgFelvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgFelvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenseshttp://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk
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Well, the point for me is that this cat is not our cat. We have to shut things off somewhere. Donations are not to where we can pay for things like that. On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DIfferent vets sell it at different prices. If you get the right vet to sell it to you, you can indeed afford it.I get a large bottle - maybe quart or more mixed - for $15. I freeze it in individual containers. Lasts a long time. I was wondering if it was viable after freezing, a long time ago I asked the question on this list - and the answer was yes. So can only say that's my understanding. But $15 for even a month or 2 or 3 is pretty darn good. I'm not using it at this point, so can't tell you the details of the concentration, sorry, it's escaped my memory. Gloria At 05:56 PM 6/24/2008, you wrote: We definitely can't afford Interferon Alpha for someone else's cat. I so wish we could afford to take care of everyone's cat that needed it, but we just can't. He is happy right now On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Gloria Lane mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had double pos a few years back - Mr. Black Kitty (MBK) - course he was kind of scraggly and off the street when I got him. I did no special medical treatments, but did use special food at some point to stop diarrhea, worked great. He broke one of his frail legs, but the vet couldn't set it because it was so thin. I'm trying to remember - think I wrapped it with a splint so he could walk better. But he died suddenly after about a year, no signs of problems prior to that, ate well too, just died one night. I have 1 double pos now, B.B. He came to me in a pretty healthy state, and he has no problems. He's about 5 yrs old, have had him for a year, I think. All my feleuks are doing well now. With the feleuks I've had that died, I've used pretty conservative treatment on, figured why torture the kitties. Just try to keep the stress down, and deal with symptoms and keep them comfortable. Have had some chemo, some blood transfusions for anemia. If they're under 3 yrs, I use Interferon Alpha (which I can get cheaply) as a way to boost the immune system. Gloria On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, The off-topic part: We are trying to think of catchy names for our new service where we take the pets of low-income people for basic vet care (I.e. spay/neuter, rabies shot, etc). The on topic part of this: as some of you read, one of the kitties we had neutered through this program turned out double pos. So my question is: How far should we really go with this cat? He has a home, the owners cannot afford special care for him, I'm not sure it makes any difference if he is really + or not. We got the other cat in the household vaccinated and boostered. The problem is that the more we do for any individual cat, the less we can do for other cats. As a nonprofit we can get a discount on SNAP tests, but not (that I know of) IFA tests. I wish we could do everything for every cat, but clearly we can't do that... -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgFelvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgFelvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather
Re: I must be nuts!
Congrats! That's wonderful, Sue. My personal baby is a flame point mix who's over 10 - not FELV, but he used to hang out with 2 of my FELV babies who are not gone to the bridge. So I have a soft heart for flame points. Gloria On Jun 24, 2008, at 8:06 AM, Sue Koren wrote: Hi Everyone! Saturday I went to a local cat rescue home and adopted a beautiful 16lb. flame point siamese boy. He is 10 years old and FeLV+. I have been missing my cuddler, Tucker, so much that I just wanted another loveable lap cat kitty. There were over 200 cats in that home but when I picked up Orlando it was all over. He just snuggled right in. His previous owner passed away in January. She had a lot of acreage, a couple of barns and a shop where she made signs. She had 17 cats who roamed the place and were never let inside or given vet care. When she passed away her husband brought all the cats to this rescue and several were FeLV+. Ironically, that was about the time Buzz was diagnosed and I was still trying to find a home for him. When I called this rescue they told me that they had just taken in several positives and did not have room. If someone had told me then that I would be taking one of the positives I never would have believed them. Anyway, Orlando is a very special sweetheart of a cat. He is even getting along fairly well with the other 5. Yesterday I had him to the vets and they found that he had once had a broken leg that was never taken care of and healed wrong. (I knew his back right leg was stiff). Time will tell if that is something to take care of now or not. They also re-confirmed the FeLV+. Anyway I am getting way too long winded. Thanks for listening to me ramble, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
