Re: [Felvtalk] Admin: Working on the bugs
Jane The sending problem must be fixed, since I got your note!Debbie (COL)You gotta bloom where you're planted! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:51:45 -0400 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Admin: Working on the bugs thanks James I cannot send or receive mail and I have tried everything I can think of on my end. I look forward to rejoining the list. Jane Lyons On Jul 14, 2008, at 5:26 PM, James G Wilson wrote: Hey all, I am (again) working on getting the bugs fixed with the FeLV project- especially the mail program. I bought us our own server, so things should be back to normal in the next two days or so. Again, I apologize for all of the inconvenience during the past two months. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Kind regards. James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.myspace.com/wilsonjamesg (My Space Page) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - feline Luk positive
You will get lots of advice here. How old is your other cat? Odds are that if your other cat didn't contract felv from kiwi from the time they were together he won't ever contract it. There is always a small risk. But I have mixed at least 13 negative cats with up to two positive cats over a period of over 10 years and have never had the disease pass from the positive cats to one of the negative cats. tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last summer my son brought home a kitten who was between 2 1/2 and 3 weeks old. He found him beside his dead sibling. He was actually in good health. We bought some kitten formula and he drank like a horse. We worked on getting him use to people so that he could eventually get him into a rescue. My daughter who was living with me at the time took her cat in for his regular shots, and took kiwi with her so she could be looked at. I guess kiwi was about 3 months old then. We were very shocked when kiwi came back positive for feline luk. The doctors asked without saying the words if we wanted to put him asleep. We said no. At that point she was and kind of still is a very healthy happy one year old who loves to wrestle with our cocker and would love to play with my daughter's Japanese Bob Tail Cat, but unfortunately we have to keep them separate. The Japanese Bob Tail Cat has been immunized against Feline Luk, but we have also heard that the shot does not offer 100% protection. It's sad because they use to love to play together. We were hoping that in a few months kiwi would come back negative, but he came back positive for the second test. He still is very active, but he has been having trouble with loose bowels. He is also a bit on the thin side. I don't have the money to take him to the vets and we have tried to find him a rescue and or foster home, but right now it doesn't seem like any are available. One thing positive is that we were able to find an organization to neuter him. Now he doesn't spray. Thank God! He is funny sometimes. Some times he gets one of his claws caught in things like curtains, and cat toys. He was trying to catch a fly one day by our back patio window and his nail got caught in the curtain and he couldn't get free. He was scared and somehow got himself wrapped in the curtain. He was so grateful when I freed him. His favorite toy is a 3 inch round black rubber spider. He loves carrying it around in the house. I don't let him play with it unless someone is here with him because I worry about him swallowing it and it getting stuck in his intestines causing a blockage. He also loves laser pointers. She loves chasing the dot on the floor or wall. He loves the little jingle cat balls, or strings. One thing I don't understand is that she enjoys licking our cocker spaniels face. He is such a funny cat. Besides that he loves to check everything out. He is the curious little cat. I would enclose a picture of him but I am new to this site and I don't know if that is allowed. Well, enough for now. I would appreciate advise from anyone on raising a feline luk positive cat. Thanks! Robin Pine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - feline Luk positive
Robin, what a wonderful story. All of my cats came to me much the same way you found Kiwiorphaned or abandoned...sometimes right after birth. Love him all you can and enjoy his little antics...sometimes their time is very short! Good luck! Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:48:29 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - feline Luk positive Last summer my son brought home a kitten who was between 2 1/2 and 3 weeks old. He found him beside his dead sibling. He was actually in good health. We bought some kitten formula and he drank like a horse. We worked on getting him use to people so that he could eventually get him into a rescue. My daughter who was living with me at the time took her cat in for his regular shots, and took kiwi with her so she could be looked at. I guess kiwi was about 3 months old then. We were very shocked when kiwi came back positive for feline luk. The doctors asked without saying the words if we wanted to put him asleep. We said no. At that point she was and kind of still is a very healthy happy one year old who loves to wrestle with our cocker and would love to play with my daughter's Japanese Bob Tail Cat, but unfortunately we have to keep them separate. The Japanese Bob Tail Cat has been immunized against Feline Luk, but we have also heard that the shot does not offer 100% protection. It's sad because they use to love to play together. We were hoping that in a few months kiwi would come back negative, but he came back positive for the second test. He still is very active, but he has been having trouble with loose bowels. He is also a bit on the thin side. I don't have the money to take him to the vets and we have tried to find him a rescue and or foster home, but right now it doesn't seem like any are available. One thing positive is that we were able to find an organization to neuter him. Now he doesn't spray. Thank God! He is funny sometimes. Some times he gets one of his claws caught in things like curtains, and cat toys. He was trying to catch a fly one day by our back patio window and his nail got caught in the curtain and he couldn't get free. He was scared and somehow got himself wrapped in the curtain. He was so grateful when I freed him. His favorite toy is a 3 inch round black rubber spider. He loves carrying it around in the house. I don't let him play with it unless someone is here with him because I worry about him swallowing it and it getting stuck in his intestines causing a blockage. He also loves laser pointers. She loves chasing the dot on the floor or wall. He loves the little jingle cat balls, or strings. One thing I don't understand is that she enjoys licking our cocker spaniels face. He is such a funny cat. Besides that he loves to check everything out. He is the curious little cat. I would enclose a picture of him but I am new to this site and I don't know if that is allowed. Well, enough for now. I would appreciate advise from anyone on raising a feline luk positive cat. Thanks! Robin Pine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - feline Luk positive
Marylyn I've been off this list since the server problem. I am so shocked and saddened to hear about Dixie. I know how much you loved her and can imagine how difficult it must be without her. She is so lucky to have felt safe and loved. I am so sorry. Jane On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Marylyn wrote: The first and really only thing I can tell you is to enjoy every minute you have with your wonderful friend while being alert for any infections/problems. Do not get hung up on the FeLV thing. Learn about it but do not let it ruin the time you have with your friend. That time may be long or short, as it may be with any of us. Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP enjoyed and I treasure three years with me. She had everything a little cat could want with the possible exception of mice to hunt. She had the best regular and holistic care from the day we found out she was FeLV+. She left this world suddenly after an infection that left her anemic. She was fine one day then two days later we were making a Code Three run to her vets 21/2 hours away. She left this world the next night, riding in the Jeep that took her on many adventures and with me by her side. I am sure she felt safe and loved. I would not trade one second with this wonderful little grey cat for all the pain I have felt since she left. Treasure your time. Give your friend the best you can and create a wonderful life for him and wonderful memories for yourself. Others on this list can make recommendations for care. Dixie had both regular and holistic care. Luckily I could/would afford this for her even if other things had to go. And, just as luckily, she loved to travel so getting her this care was very possible. There are a lot of supplements available. Listen to those on this list. Feed him the best possible diet.I really liked Primal Raw and no grain foods. Try to reduce the stress in your friend's life. Dixie had to tolerate living in a home that was being constructed and reconstructed but seemed to adapt wonderfully. Love your little friend with all your heart and let him love you with his. Good luck and blessings to you. On Jul 14, 2008, at 8:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last summer my son brought home a kitten who was between 2 1/2 and 3 weeks old. He found him beside his dead sibling. He was actually in good health. We bought some kitten formula and he drank like a horse. We worked on getting him use to people so that he could eventually get him into a rescue. My daughter who was living with me at the time took her cat in for his regular shots, and took kiwi with her so she could be looked at. I guess kiwi was about 3 months old then. We were very shocked when kiwi came back positive for feline luk. The doctors asked without saying the words if we wanted to put him asleep. We said no. At that point she was and kind of still is a very healthy happy one year old who loves to wrestle with our cocker and would love to play with my daughter's Japanese Bob Tail Cat, but unfortunately we have to keep them separate. The Japanese Bob Tail Cat has been immunized against Feline Luk, but we have also heard that the shot does not offer 100% protection. It's sad because they use to love to play together. We were hoping that in a few months kiwi would come back negative, but he came back positive for the second test. He still is very active, but he has been having trouble with loose bowels. He is also a bit on the thin side. I don't have the money to take him to the vets and we have tried to find him a rescue and or foster home, but right now it doesn't seem like any are available. One thing positive is that we were able to find an organization to neuter him. Now he doesn't spray. Thank God! He is funny sometimes. Some times he gets one of his claws caught in things like curtains, and cat toys. He was trying to catch a fly one day by our back patio window and his nail got caught in the curtain and he couldn't get free. He was scared and somehow got himself wrapped in the curtain. He was so grateful when I freed him. His favorite toy is a 3 inch round black rubber spider. He loves carrying it around in the house. I don't let him play with it unless someone is here with him because I worry about him swallowing it and it getting stuck in his intestines causing a blockage. He also loves laser pointers. She loves chasing the dot on the floor or wall. He loves the little jingle cat balls, or strings. One thing I don't understand is that she enjoys licking our cocker spaniels face. He is such a funny cat. Besides that he loves to check everything out. He is the curious little cat. I would enclose a picture of him but I am new to this site and I don't know if that is allowed. Well, enough for now. I would appreciate advise from anyone on raising a feline luk positive cat. Thanks! Robin Pine
Re: [Felvtalk] Melina Please add to the CLS :(
I am so sorry to have to write this. We lost our sweet little Smokey cat. When I took him to my vet before we left on vacation she told us that the sores in his mouth were caused from the virus and that he was suffering. She said? there wasn't anything that could be done. I just couldn't believe it because I really?thought he was doing so much better and that the sores were from herpes, which I explained to her. She said no, sometimes these sores are caused from the decease and that he was in great pain. Every time I think about the times that I?cleaned his little mouth it breaks my heart because I now know how much I was hurting him. I was as gentle as I could be but I thought I needed to keep the sores doctored and?I really didn't realize how much pain he was in. Stupid me, I thought I was helping him and that he was getting better. After some time goes by, I plan on going to a rescue facility and adopting a cat. I will try to get a little cat that has been passed by, maybe a little older one, I don't really know, I figure I will know when I see him/her. Thank you for all the information and support. You all were a great source of information and support. Sincerely, Kathryn -Original Message- From: Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 7:07 am Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( Kathryn, you can buy it as a pill from a drug store and maybe in a capsule.? I started with 500 mg caplets and they were tough to crush.? I ended up buying the powder from iHerbs. http://www.iherb.com/Search.aspx?c=1st=lkw=L-Lysine Much easier to work with.? I dissolve it in a little water, mix with food and feed it to mine. Sharyl? --- On Tue, 7/8/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 6:12 PM It occurred to me last night that I did not take the time to properly say my condolences for the lost kittys such as Melina. It saddens me whenever a little animal leaves us and my thoughts are sincerely with their owners. I've been kind of?preoccupied with Smokey. I really understand how these guys can effect you, I think it's because they are so innocent and, like Smokey, are so trusting. Every time I go to pet him, which is a lot, he purrs, even though he's not feeling great. I will be gone for six days on a previously planned vacation, (bad timing, I know). However, he will be staying with my vet, I'm really hoping that she can get his ulcers cleared up. I absolutely will get him on lysine. Just one more question?if you all don't mind:?Do I get it in liquid form or is it a powder? I'll email when I return to give an update. Can you send pictures on this site? If so and if it's appropriate, I can send a picture of Smokey. Thanks, again, Kathryn -Original Message- From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 8:10 pm Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( Wendy I am doing ok.Thanks for your concern.I really had the urge NOT to go to Sids tonight.But my heart dragged me there as usual.Not the same without Melina there.She was the first one I would look for and then I would carry her around and do the cat check head count.I fell for that baby girl the second I laid eyes on her. Also keep Jaws in your prayers,he is not doing so well.Another one that wins over your heart as soon as you meet him. Thanks so much, Sherry --- On Mon, 7/7/08, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 10:47 AM Sherry, ? How are you today?? I hope you're doing better.? I'm sorry about Melina.? ? :) Wendy ? Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2008 9:44:02 PM Subject: Melina Please add to the CLS :( First of all I want to thank all of you for your prayers and good thoughts for this beautiful baby.The aweful disease was way too much for her this time.She was a VERY spunky little girl.My heart aches without her in my life.I need to keep telling myself that I gave her so much love that she was happy until the end.I will miss her little loving head butts and rubbing her sweet face on mine.Ok now the tears are coming out. :( Once again thank you all so much for having to listen to all my sadness.But I also get ALOT of goodness out of these creatures. Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Melina Please add to the CLS :(
Kathryn, I am so very sorry for your lossbut remember, you did the very best you could, and Smokey knew how much he was loved!Debbie (COL)You gotta bloom where you're planted! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:03:54 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Felvtalk] Melina Please add to the CLS :(I am so sorry to have to write this. We lost our sweet little Smokey cat. When I took him to my vet before we left on vacation she told us that the sores in his mouth were caused from the virus and that he was suffering. She said there wasn't anything that could be done. I just couldn't believe it because I really thought he was doing so much better and that the sores were from herpes, which I explained to her. She said no, sometimes these sores are caused from the decease and that he was in great pain. Every time I think about the times that I cleaned his little mouth it breaks my heart because I now know how much I was hurting him. I was as gentle as I could be but I thought I needed to keep the sores doctored and I really didn't realize how much pain he was in. Stupid me, I thought I was helping him and that he was getting better. After some time goes by, I plan on going to a rescue facility and adopting a cat. I will try to get a little cat that has been passed by, maybe a little older one, I don't really know, I figure I will know when I see him/her. Thank you for all the information and support. You all were a great source of information and support.Sincerely,Kathryn-Original Message-From: Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 7:07 amSubject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( Kathryn, you can buy it as a pill from a drug store and maybe in a capsule. I started with 500 mg caplets and they were tough to crush. I ended up buying the powder from iHerbs. http://www.iherb.com/Search.aspx?c=1st=lkw=L-Lysine Much easier to work with. I dissolve it in a little water, mix with food and feed it to mine. Sharyl --- On Tue, 7/8/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :(To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 6:12 PM It occurred to me last night that I did not take the time to properly say my condolences for the lost kittys such as Melina. It saddens me whenever a little animal leaves us and my thoughts are sincerely with their owners. I've been kind of preoccupied with Smokey. I really understand how these guys can effect you, I think it's because they are so innocent and, like Smokey, are so trusting. Every time I go to pet him, which is a lot, he purrs, even though he's not feeling great.I will be gone for six days on a previously planned vacation, (bad timing, I know). However, he will be staying with my vet, I'm really hoping that she can get his ulcers cleared up. I absolutely will get him on lysine. Just one more question if you all don't mind: Do I get it in liquid form or is it a powder? I'll email when I return to give an update. Can you send pictures on this site? If so and if it's appropriate, I can send a picture of Smokey.Thanks, again,Kathryn-Original Message-From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 8:10 pmSubject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( Wendy I am doing ok.Thanks for your concern.I really had the urge NOT to go to Sids tonight.But my heart dragged me there as usual.Not the same without Melina there.She was the first one I would look for and then I would carry her around and do the cat check head count.I fell for that baby girl the second I laid eyes on her. Also keep Jaws in your prayers,he is not doing so well.Another one that wins over your heart as soon as you meet him. Thanks so much, Sherry--- On Mon, 7/7/08, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :(To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Monday, July 7, 2008, 10:47 AM Sherry, How are you today? I hope you're doing better. I'm sorry about Melina. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Thursday, July 3, 2008 9:44:02 PMSubject: Melina Please add to the CLS :( First of all I want to thank all of you for your prayers and good thoughts for this beautiful baby.The aweful disease was way too much for her this time.She was a VERY spunky little girl.My heart aches without her in my life.I need to keep telling myself that I gave her so much love that she was happy until the end.I will miss her little loving head butts and rubbing her sweet face on mine.Ok now the tears are coming out. :( Once again thank you all so much for having to listen to all my sadness.But I also get ALOT of goodness out of
[Felvtalk] Smokey (was RE: Melina Please add to the CLS :(
Kathryn, I am so sorry about Smokey. I know how much you wanted him to make it. Don't reproach yourself too much (I know you have to a little, 20-20 hindsight is what we humans do best) for causing him pain trying to take care of the mouth sores. You were doing what you could to be a good mom, and we often have to do things they don't like for their own good. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to Smokey. I know he knows how much you loved him, and maybe he will guide you to another kitty who needs you. Brava for wanting to find one who's been passed by, I always worry about the older ones who aren't kitten-cute anymore. Hugs. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Melina Please add to the CLS :( I am so sorry to have to write this. We lost our sweet little Smokey cat. When I took him to my vet before we left on vacation she told us that the sores in his mouth were caused from the virus and that he was suffering. She said there wasn't anything that could be done. I just couldn't believe it because I really thought he was doing so much better and that the sores were from herpes, which I explained to her. She said no, sometimes these sores are caused from the decease and that he was in great pain. Every time I think about the times that I cleaned his little mouth it breaks my heart because I now know how much I was hurting him. I was as gentle as I could be but I thought I needed to keep the sores doctored and I really didn't realize how much pain he was in. Stupid me, I thought I was helping him and that he was getting better. After some time goes by, I plan on going to a rescue facility and adopting a cat. I will try to get a little cat that has been passed by, maybe a little older one, I don't really know, I figure I will know when I see him/her. Thank you for all the information and support. You all were a great source of information and support. Sincerely, Kathryn This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
Hey Belinda, This has been lost in cyberspace several times. I'm hoping it comes through with the new server. Bob's numbers: creatnine 2.5 bun 16 phosphorus 4.5 potassium 4.1 HCT 37.9 Other numbers that were noted as high were: urea nitrogen 40 cholesterol 269 amylase 1440 we have put him on the new science diet kd canned (it has a better consistency and it is the only one out of about 4 we've tried that he will eat.) 100 mL of fluid per week. and yes, he has high blood pressure and we have him on norvasc 2.5 mg daily plus the vet has recommended cosequin for joints and said it actually helps the kidneys (i can't read the dosage it's written so small on the capsules and i can't find the box. i have a hard time getting them down him though so he doesn't take them with much regularity.) how does all of this sound to you. I need to put lysine in the wet food for sneaker's herpes. the vet said this would not hurt bob's kidneys. what do you think about that? tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Melina Please add to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry Kathryn.
tonya
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am so sorry to have to write this. We lost our sweet little Smokey cat.
When I took him to my vet before we left on vacation she told us that the sores
in his mouth were caused from the virus and that he was suffering. She said
there wasn't anything that could be done. I just couldn't believe it because I
really thought he was doing so much better and that the sores were from herpes,
which I explained to her. She said no, sometimes these sores are caused from
the decease and that he was in great pain. Every time I think about the times
that I cleaned his little mouth it breaks my heart because I now know how much
I was hurting him. I was as gentle as I could be but I thought I needed to keep
the sores doctored and I really didn't realize how much pain he was in. Stupid
me, I thought I was helping him and that he was getting better.
After some time goes by, I plan on going to a rescue facility and adopting a
cat. I will try to get a little cat that has been passed by, maybe a little
older one, I don't really know, I figure I will know when I see him/her. Thank
you for all the information and support. You all were a great source of
information and support.
Sincerely,
Kathryn
-Original Message-
From: Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 7:07 am
Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :(
Kathryn, you can buy it as a pill from a drug store and maybe in a
capsule. I started with 500 mg caplets and they were tough to crush. I ended
up buying the powder from iHerbs.
http://www.iherb.com/Search.aspx?c=1st=lkw=L-Lysine
Much easier to work with. I dissolve it in a little water, mix with food and
feed it to mine.
Sharyl
--- On Tue, 7/8/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :(
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 6:12 PM
It occurred to me last night that I did not take the time to properly say my
condolences for the lost kittys such as Melina. It saddens me whenever a little
animal leaves us and my thoughts are sincerely with their owners. I've been
kind of preoccupied with Smokey. I really understand how these guys can effect
you, I think it's because they are so innocent and, like Smokey, are so
trusting. Every time I go to pet him, which is a lot, he purrs, even though
he's not feeling great.
I will be gone for six days on a previously planned vacation, (bad timing, I
know). However, he will be staying with my vet, I'm really hoping that she can
get his ulcers cleared up. I absolutely will get him on lysine. Just one more
question if you all don't mind: Do I get it in liquid form or is it a powder?
I'll email when I return to give an update. Can you send pictures on this site?
If so and if it's appropriate, I can send a picture of Smokey.
Thanks, again,
Kathryn
-Original Message-
From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 8:10 pm
Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :(
Wendy I am doing ok.Thanks for your concern.I really had the urge
NOT to go to Sids tonight.But my heart dragged me there as usual.Not the same
without Melina there.She was the first one I would look for and then I would
carry her around and do the cat check head count.I fell for that baby girl the
second I laid eyes on her.
Also keep Jaws in your prayers,he is not doing so well.Another one that wins
over your heart as soon as you meet him.
Thanks so much,
Sherry
--- On Mon, 7/7/08, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :(
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 10:47 AM
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How are you today? I hope you're doing better. I'm sorry about Melina.
:)
Wendy
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~
- Original Message
From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2008 9:44:02 PM
Subject: Melina Please add to the CLS :(
First of all I want to thank all of you for your prayers and good
thoughts for this beautiful baby.The aweful disease was way too much for her
this time.She was a VERY spunky little girl.My heart aches without her in my
life.I need to keep telling myself that I gave her so much love that she was
happy until the end.I will miss her little loving head butts and rubbing her
sweet face on mine.Ok now the tears are coming out. :( Once again thank you all
so much for having to listen to
[Felvtalk] Smokey was Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :(
Kathryn, you were doing your best to help Smokey not being stupid. All we can
do is try our best. Smokey knew you loved him and cared for him. Depending on
the cause many mouth ulcers can be treated.
Sharyl Sissy Rocket and Daisy's babies
--- On Tue, 7/15/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Melina Please add to the CLS :(
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:03 AM
I am so sorry to have to write this. We lost our sweet little Smokey cat. When
I took him to my vet before we left on vacation she told us that the sores in
his mouth were caused from the virus and that he was suffering. She said there
wasn't anything that could be done. I just couldn't believe it because I
really thought he was doing so much better and that the sores were from herpes,
which I explained to her. She said no, sometimes these sores are caused from
the decease and that he was in great pain. Every time I think about the times
that I cleaned his little mouth it breaks my heart because I now know how much
I was hurting him. I was as gentle as I could be but I thought I needed to keep
the sores doctored and I really didn't realize how much pain he was in. Stupid
me, I thought I was helping him and that he was getting better.
After some time goes by, I plan on going to a rescue facility and adopting a
cat. I will try to get a little cat that has been passed by, maybe a little
older one, I don't really know, I figure I will know when I see him/her. Thank
you for all the information and support. You all were a great source of
information and support.
Sincerely,
Kathryn
-Original Message-
From: Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 7:07 am
Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :(
Kathryn, you can buy it as a pill from a drug store and maybe in a capsule. I
started with 500 mg caplets and they were tough to crush. I ended up buying
the powder from iHerbs.
http://www.iherb.com/Search.aspx?c=1st=lkw=L-Lysine
Much easier to work with. I dissolve it in a little water, mix with food and
feed it to mine.
Sharyl
--- On Tue, 7/8/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :(
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 6:12 PM
It occurred to me last night that I did not take the time to properly say my
condolences for the lost kittys such as Melina. It saddens me whenever a little
animal leaves us and my thoughts are sincerely with their owners. I've been
kind of preoccupied with Smokey. I really understand how these guys can effect
you, I think it's because they are so innocent and, like Smokey, are so
trusting. Every time I go to pet him, which is a lot, he purrs, even though
he's not feeling great.
I will be gone for six days on a previously planned vacation, (bad timing, I
know). However, he will be staying with my vet, I'm really hoping that she can
get his ulcers cleared up. I absolutely will get him on lysine. Just one more
question if you all don't mind: Do I get it in liquid form or is it a powder?
I'll email when I return to give an update. Can you send pictures on this site?
If so and if it's appropriate, I can send a picture of Smokey.
Thanks, again,
Kathryn
-Original Message-
From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 8:10 pm
Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :(
Wendy I am doing ok.Thanks for your concern.I really had the urge NOT to go to
Sids tonight.But my heart dragged me there as usual.Not the same without Melina
there.She was the first one I would look for and then I would carry her around
and do the cat check head count.I fell for that baby girl the second I laid
eyes on her.
Also keep Jaws in your prayers,he is not doing so well.Another one that wins
over your heart as soon as you meet him.
Thanks so much,
Sherry
--- On Mon, 7/7/08, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :(
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 10:47 AM
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Sherry,
How are you today? I hope you're doing better. I'm sorry about Melina.
:)
Wendy
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
~~~
- Original Message
From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2008 9:44:02 PM
Subject: Melina Please add to the CLS :(
First of all I want to thank all of you for your prayers and good thoughts for
this beautiful baby.The aweful
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - feline Luk positive
Thanks. She had the best of everything and was very happy and loved. I miss her so much. Right now I am looking at a little 4 week old (?) copper kitten that came from the same pine thicket Dixie came from. After a day of talking, assuring and reassuring her, she allowed me to snatch her up and bring her to the farm. Before you think me awful for taking one so young you need to know there are 5 hawks in the thicket and she would not have survived very long. I think her mother knew that and sent her meowing toward my mother's home. She will be loved and cared for all of her days. This little one was born about the time Dixie was leaving and is a favorite color of Dixie's. This makes things easier. On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:11 AM, Jane Lyons wrote: Marylyn I've been off this list since the server problem. I am so shocked and saddened to hear about Dixie. I know how much you loved her and can imagine how difficult it must be without her. She is so lucky to have felt safe and loved. I am so sorry. Jane On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Marylyn wrote: The first and really only thing I can tell you is to enjoy every minute you have with your wonderful friend while being alert for any infections/problems. Do not get hung up on the FeLV thing. Learn about it but do not let it ruin the time you have with your friend. That time may be long or short, as it may be with any of us. Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP enjoyed and I treasure three years with me. She had everything a little cat could want with the possible exception of mice to hunt. She had the best regular and holistic care from the day we found out she was FeLV+. She left this world suddenly after an infection that left her anemic. She was fine one day then two days later we were making a Code Three run to her vets 21/2 hours away. She left this world the next night, riding in the Jeep that took her on many adventures and with me by her side. I am sure she felt safe and loved. I would not trade one second with this wonderful little grey cat for all the pain I have felt since she left. Treasure your time. Give your friend the best you can and create a wonderful life for him and wonderful memories for yourself. Others on this list can make recommendations for care. Dixie had both regular and holistic care. Luckily I could/would afford this for her even if other things had to go. And, just as luckily, she loved to travel so getting her this care was very possible. There are a lot of supplements available. Listen to those on this list. Feed him the best possible diet.I really liked Primal Raw and no grain foods. Try to reduce the stress in your friend's life. Dixie had to tolerate living in a home that was being constructed and reconstructed but seemed to adapt wonderfully. Love your little friend with all your heart and let him love you with his. Good luck and blessings to you. On Jul 14, 2008, at 8:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last summer my son brought home a kitten who was between 2 1/2 and 3 weeks old. He found him beside his dead sibling. He was actually in good health. We bought some kitten formula and he drank like a horse. We worked on getting him use to people so that he could eventually get him into a rescue. My daughter who was living with me at the time took her cat in for his regular shots, and took kiwi with her so she could be looked at. I guess kiwi was about 3 months old then. We were very shocked when kiwi came back positive for feline luk. The doctors asked without saying the words if we wanted to put him asleep. We said no. At that point she was and kind of still is a very healthy happy one year old who loves to wrestle with our cocker and would love to play with my daughter's Japanese Bob Tail Cat, but unfortunately we have to keep them separate. The Japanese Bob Tail Cat has been immunized against Feline Luk, but we have also heard that the shot does not offer 100% protection. It's sad because they use to love to play together. We were hoping that in a few months kiwi would come back negative, but he came back positive for the second test. He still is very active, but he has been having trouble with loose bowels. He is also a bit on the thin side. I don't have the money to take him to the vets and we have tried to find him a rescue and or foster home, but right now it doesn't seem like any are available. One thing positive is that we were able to find an organization to neuter him. Now he doesn't spray. Thank God! He is funny sometimes. Some times he gets one of his claws caught in things like curtains, and cat toys. He was trying to catch a fly one day by our back patio window and his nail got caught in the curtain and he couldn't get free. He was scared and somehow got himself wrapped in the curtain. He was so grateful when I freed him. His favorite toy is a 3 inch round
Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey (was RE: Melina Please add to the CLS :(
Kathryn I am so sorry you lost your sweet Smokey.Hugs to you. Sherry --- On Tue, 7/15/08, Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] Smokey (was RE: Melina Please add to the CLS :( To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:12 AM Kathryn, I am so sorry about Smokey. I know how much you wanted him to make it. Don't reproach yourself too much (I know you have to a little, 20-20 hindsight is what we humans do best) for causing him pain trying to take care of the mouth sores. You were doing what you could to be a good mom, and we often have to do things they don't like for their own good. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to Smokey. I know he knows how much you loved him, and maybe he will guide you to another kitty who needs you. Brava for wanting to find one who's been passed by, I always worry about the older ones who aren't kitten-cute anymore. Hugs. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Melina Please add to the CLS :( I am so sorry to have to write this. We lost our sweet little Smokey cat. When I took him to my vet before we left on vacation she told us that the sores in his mouth were caused from the virus and that he was suffering. She said there wasn't anything that could be done. I just couldn't believe it because I really thought he was doing so much better and that the sores were from herpes, which I explained to her. She said no, sometimes these sores are caused from the decease and that he was in great pain. Every time I think about the times that I cleaned his little mouth it breaks my heart because I now know how much I was hurting him. I was as gentle as I could be but I thought I needed to keep the sores doctored and I really didn't realize how much pain he was in. Stupid me, I thought I was helping him and that he was getting better. After some time goes by, I plan on going to a rescue facility and adopting a cat. I will try to get a little cat that has been passed by, maybe a little older one, I don't really know, I figure I will know when I see him/her. Thank you for all the information and support. You all were a great source of information and support. Sincerely, Kathryn This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
Tonya, is that a typo for Bob's BUN value? Just very low for a CRF kitty with a Crea of 2.6. You will want to read and bookmark Tanya's web site. www.felineCRF.org SubQ fluids are usually given to maintain adequate hydration. Weekly fluids probably don't help much on that score. Usually kitties are no longer able to maintain adequate hydration when the Crea value gets to the high 3's but each kitty is different and requires a unique treatment plan. All of Bob's other values look good. The best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phosphorus food he'll eat. Sharyl Sissy Rocket and Daisy's babies --- On Tue, 7/15/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:15 AM Hey Belinda, This has been lost in cyberspace several times. I'm hoping it comes through with the new server. Bob's numbers: creatnine 2.5 bun 16 phosphorus 4.5 potassium 4.1 HCT 37.9 Other numbers that were noted as high were: urea nitrogen 40 cholesterol 269 amylase 1440 we have put him on the new science diet kd canned (it has a better consistency and it is the only one out of about 4 we've tried that he will eat.) 100 mL of fluid per week. and yes, he has high blood pressure and we have him on norvasc 2.5 mg daily plus the vet has recommended cosequin for joints and said it actually helps the kidneys (i can't read the dosage it's written so small on the capsules and i can't find the box. i have a hard time getting them down him though so he doesn't take them with much regularity.) how does all of this sound to you. I need to put lysine in the wet food for sneaker's herpes. the vet said this would not hurt bob's kidneys. what do you think about that? tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
Tonya -- re the cosequin, we've been giving it to our senior guy Luc for several months now -- we get the capsules and sprinkle it into his wet food. He goes for the juicy part first so we try to get the cosequin powder mostly into the juice. He sucks it right up. ;-) Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda Tonya, is that a typo for Bob's BUN value? Just very low for a CRF kitty with a Crea of 2.6. You will want to read and bookmark Tanya's web site. www.felineCRF.org SubQ fluids are usually given to maintain adequate hydration. Weekly fluids probably don't help much on that score. Usually kitties are no longer able to maintain adequate hydration when the Crea value gets to the high 3's but each kitty is different and requires a unique treatment plan. All of Bob's other values look good. The best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phosphorus food he'll eat. Sharyl Sissy Rocket and Daisy's babies --- On Tue, 7/15/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:15 AM Hey Belinda, This has been lost in cyberspace several times. I'm hoping it comes through with the new server. Bob's numbers: creatnine 2.5 bun 16 phosphorus 4.5 potassium 4.1 HCT 37.9 Other numbers that were noted as high were: urea nitrogen 40 cholesterol 269 amylase 1440 we have put him on the new science diet kd canned (it has a better consistency and it is the only one out of about 4 we've tried that he will eat.) 100 mL of fluid per week. and yes, he has high blood pressure and we have him on norvasc 2.5 mg daily plus the vet has recommended cosequin for joints and said it actually helps the kidneys (i can't read the dosage it's written so small on the capsules and i can't find the box. i have a hard time getting them down him though so he doesn't take them with much regularity.) how does all of this sound to you. I need to put lysine in the wet food for sneaker's herpes. the vet said this would not hurt bob's kidneys. what do you think about that? tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended
[Felvtalk] Welcome to new members and saying Hello
Hi all, Sorry I haven't posted much these days. I've been busy as hell in rescue. Cats/kittens are coming out of the woodwork! The fact my mother is dying as well. Doctors are only giving her 1-3 months to live. She is still young (66 will be 67 on August 2nd) If she hangs on we will be throwing a B-B-Q Birthday for her. She had us kids when she was young and still got her education as she promised my grandparents. My parents were in the military and retired Lab/Dog and Siamese Cat breeders. They were respected and recognized in WA. state. We traveled the world as youngsters as well. I'm 50 years old. I wanted to let those of you know I'm so sorry to hear of your precious kitties that have went to the bridge. The day will come when you will be together again. For you new members this is the best group of people to get support and knowledge from. They have helped me with my FELV kitties and Non-FELV kitties. Thank you to those that have decided to let their kitties live regardless of what their Vets have said. I have to tell you I have mix both Felv/Non-Felv kitties in my home. Nobody that was negative has died from FELV. They died of old age or other illnesses. I do get their vaccinations when needed. There are some that do separate the Felvs from the Non-Felvs on this group. Anyway enjoy your kitties. Many can live for years then others like my Taz didn't make it pass 2 years old. Good food and love is the key factor here. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE _http://tazzys.org/_ (http://tazzys.org/index.html) _http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/_ (http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/) Terrie Mohr-Forker **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus0005000112) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Welcome to new members and saying Hello
Hi Terri,I am so sorry to hear of your mothers illness.I lost my mom when she was only 56 to cancer.Hugs to you and enjoy every moment that you can with her. Sherry --- On Tue, 7/15/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] Welcome to new members and saying Hello To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 11:56 AM Hi all, Sorry I haven't posted much these days. I've been busy as hell in rescue. Cats/kittens are coming out of the woodwork! The fact my mother is dying as well. Doctors are only giving her 1-3 months to live. She is still young (66 will be 67 on August 2nd) If she hangs on we will be throwing a B-B-Q Birthday for her. She had us kids when she was young and still got her education as she promised my grandparents. My parents were in the military and retired Lab/Dog and Siamese Cat breeders. They were respected and recognized in WA. state. We traveled the world as youngsters as well. I'm 50 years old. I wanted to let those of you know I'm so sorry to hear of your precious kitties that have went to the bridge. The day will come when you will be together again. For you new members this is the best group of people to get support and knowledge from. They have helped me with my FELV kitties and Non-FELV kitties. Thank you to those that have decided to let their kitties live regardless of what their Vets have said. I have to tell you I have mix both Felv/Non-Felv kitties in my home. Nobody that was negative has died from FELV. They died of old age or other illnesses. I do get their vaccinations when needed. There are some that do separate the Felvs from the Non-Felvs on this group. Anyway enjoy your kitties. Many can live for years then others like my Taz didn't make it pass 2 years old. Good food and love is the key factor here. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE http://tazzys.org/ http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/ Terrie Mohr-Forker Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com!___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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[Felvtalk] New love at Sids
As you all know I have loved and losy many precious babies from Sids.Well I think my little Melina that just left us recently sent me a new love to help heal the empty spot in my heart. :) Her name is Beth and she is a beautiful calico and is as sweet as can be.I have pledged to love her as much as I can in whatever time I have with her.One of my volunteer friends e-mailed me Sunday night after meeting Beth.She told me she is a Sherry cat.Boy was she right.The second I saw her I almost cried.Such a shame that she has this aweful disease.Is ther ever going to be a cure!!?? Just wanted to share the news with you on my new love.Of course I love ALL the Sids kids. :) Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
Hi Tonya, Sounds like Bob is having problems very similar to what we are now going through with Will Feral. He began spraying a few weeks ago, blood has been in the urine off and on. X-ray was clear, urinalysis had no crystals, good ph, no blockage. Dx was interstitial cystitis. He did 2 weeks of Clavamox with no improvement. He is now on a glucosamine/chondroitin drug made for cats. It's called Dasuquin, it also has avacado/soybean unsaponifables added to it, probably just something to make it unique and patentable and doubly expensive. I mix 2 capsules with a tablespoon of Fancy Feast every morning and he scarfs it down. Didn't seem to be helping so the vet has added 1 more drug, Elavil (Amitriptyline) 5mg per day by pill popper. It is an anti-depressant but is also supposed to have anti-inflammatory properties. 4 days into it he still had bloody urine, we're at 1 week now, haven't seen any puddles in a couple of days, but he may just be hiding his squatting better. He's still playing fetch with his mouse and eating well. We haven't done the prescription food yet as it is difficult to feed it to just one of 5. I have decreased the amount of dry food they all get and have increased the wet. I also read some good tips somewhere (maybe I got the link here?) on getting them to drink more water. I now leave a bowl on the end table by the couch where he always tries to steal sips from my glass. They all love drinking at that spot now. I put the L-lysine into this water. Here are Will's blood values for comparison: Creatnine - 2.1(0.8-2.4) *HIGH NORMAL Bun - 35 (16-36) *HIGH NORMAL Na - 162 mmol/L (150-165) K - 4 mmol/L (3.5-5.8) Cl - 120 mmol/L (112-129) HCT - 37.4 (30-45) I'll holler if the Elavil, (or anything else) seems to work. Kind regards, Beth, Blue, Moxie. Dash, Scooter, and Will Feral ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Terrie, I am so sorry to hear what you are going through with your mom. Just as a little bit of hope, my dad is the same age as your mom and his doctor gave him 1 month to 1 year to live over 2 and a half years ago. We thought it was really the end just before last Christmas, he couldn't walk to the bathroom without passing out, was shivering all the time and sleeping all day. His doctors acted like this was just the inevitable progression of his disease. Turns out it was his meds. They finally let him lower his blood-pressure medication and he woke up, started eating healthy, exercising a tiny bit, and is enjoying his life again. His condition is still ultimately fatal, but this reprieve has been wonderful. Hoping she has many barbeques to come... Hugs, Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
Hi Tonya, Lysine as far as I know isn't going to hurt his kidney's, never heard that Cosquin helps them, Fred gets this for his arthritis too. He gets the pink and white capsules, my vet said I could go with 1 or 2 a day depending on how Fred's arthritis seemed to be. He currently get 1 because he gets so much stuff now already, that seems to be enough for him. They really need to be given everyday though, they take up to 6 weeks to make a difference. I've never seen a BUN that low if it is correct, *what are his liver values like*? * Blood Urea Nitrogen (BUN) - Urea, which is normally excreted by the kidney, is a by-product of protein metabolism. 1. High levels of BUN may be the result of a high protein diet, dehydration, ulcers in the digestive tract, kidney disease, or blockage of the normal flow of urine (from a crystal or mucus plug, for example). 2. Low BUN levels can result from a low protein diet or liver disease. I wouldn't worry so much about the low protein diet, my vet said she didn't get them on that until the end stages when they were a lot worse than Bob is, Fred doesn't eat that stuff and he does fine. He eats Fancy Feast, home cooked or baby food with supplements. He has been CRF for over 2 years now and his last blood work like I said was really good, almost normal. Mainly you want to keep the phosphorus under 6, mid 4's if good and the potassium solidly in the mid to high 4's. Low potassium can cause back leg muscle weakness and isn't good for the heart. I agree that 100cc of fluid a week is not going to do much good. If Bob is dehydrated I would give him between 50 and 100cc a day, if he isn't he doesn't need any fluids. Fred even when his numbers are low is dehydrated and needs 100cc a day. Fred has lost pretty much all the muscle in both back legs now, he still gets around OK just can't use them to scratch or anything else. He is starting to lose a bit of weight so I have to really keep on him to eat, he is getting lazy and if the food is not right there in front of him he will go without, so I have to remember to make sure he has food wherever he is laying. It's almost time for more blood work, kind of afraid of what it is going to say though, it was really good last time, so I hope it is still good. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
The doctor recommended 100 cc twice a week or as much as I could do it. Bob is NOT cooperative at all with the fluids. t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, is that a typo for Bob's BUN value? Just very low for a CRF kitty with a Crea of 2.6. You will want to read and bookmark Tanya's web site. www.felineCRF.org SubQ fluids are usually given to maintain adequate hydration. Weekly fluids probably don't help much on that score. Usually kitties are no longer able to maintain adequate hydration when the Crea value gets to the high 3's but each kitty is different and requires a unique treatment plan. All of Bob's other values look good. The best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phosphorus food he'll eat. Sharyl Sissy Rocket and Daisy's babies --- On Tue, 7/15/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:15 AM Hey Belinda, This has been lost in cyberspace several times. I'm hoping it comes through with the new server. Bob's numbers: creatnine 2.5 bun 16 phosphorus 4.5 potassium 4.1 HCT 37.9 Other numbers that were noted as high were: urea nitrogen 40 cholesterol 269 amylase 1440 we have put him on the new science diet kd canned (it has a better consistency and it is the only one out of about 4 we've tried that he will eat.) 100 mL of fluid per week. and yes, he has high blood pressure and we have him on norvasc 2.5 mg daily plus the vet has recommended cosequin for joints and said it actually helps the kidneys (i can't read the dosage it's written so small on the capsules and i can't find the box. i have a hard time getting them down him though so he doesn't take them with much regularity.) how does all of this sound to you. I need to put lysine in the wet food for sneaker's herpes. the vet said this would not hurt bob's kidneys. what do you think about that? tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
It says BUN/Creatinine Ratio = 16 creatinine=2.5 no plain ole BUN... also platelet count is 199 (low) and says clumps are detected leading to a lower count than is probably accurate. thanks for link. t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, is that a typo for Bob's BUN value? Just very low for a CRF kitty with a Crea of 2.6. You will want to read and bookmark Tanya's web site. www.felineCRF.org SubQ fluids are usually given to maintain adequate hydration. Weekly fluids probably don't help much on that score. Usually kitties are no longer able to maintain adequate hydration when the Crea value gets to the high 3's but each kitty is different and requires a unique treatment plan. All of Bob's other values look good. The best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phosphorus food he'll eat. Sharyl Sissy Rocket and Daisy's babies --- On Tue, 7/15/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:15 AM Hey Belinda, This has been lost in cyberspace several times. I'm hoping it comes through with the new server. Bob's numbers: creatnine 2.5 bun 16 phosphorus 4.5 potassium 4.1 HCT 37.9 Other numbers that were noted as high were: urea nitrogen 40 cholesterol 269 amylase 1440 we have put him on the new science diet kd canned (it has a better consistency and it is the only one out of about 4 we've tried that he will eat.) 100 mL of fluid per week. and yes, he has high blood pressure and we have him on norvasc 2.5 mg daily plus the vet has recommended cosequin for joints and said it actually helps the kidneys (i can't read the dosage it's written so small on the capsules and i can't find the box. i have a hard time getting them down him though so he doesn't take them with much regularity.) how does all of this sound to you. I need to put lysine in the wet food for sneaker's herpes. the vet said this would not hurt bob's kidneys. what do you think about that? tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
Bob also had a kidney infection at the time and was put on antibiotics. This has since cleared up. tonya Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, is that a typo for Bob's BUN value? Just very low for a CRF kitty with a Crea of 2.6. You will want to read and bookmark Tanya's web site. www.felineCRF.org SubQ fluids are usually given to maintain adequate hydration. Weekly fluids probably don't help much on that score. Usually kitties are no longer able to maintain adequate hydration when the Crea value gets to the high 3's but each kitty is different and requires a unique treatment plan. All of Bob's other values look good. The best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phosphorus food he'll eat. Sharyl Sissy Rocket and Daisy's babies --- On Tue, 7/15/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:15 AM Hey Belinda, This has been lost in cyberspace several times. I'm hoping it comes through with the new server. Bob's numbers: creatnine 2.5 bun 16 phosphorus 4.5 potassium 4.1 HCT 37.9 Other numbers that were noted as high were: urea nitrogen 40 cholesterol 269 amylase 1440 we have put him on the new science diet kd canned (it has a better consistency and it is the only one out of about 4 we've tried that he will eat.) 100 mL of fluid per week. and yes, he has high blood pressure and we have him on norvasc 2.5 mg daily plus the vet has recommended cosequin for joints and said it actually helps the kidneys (i can't read the dosage it's written so small on the capsules and i can't find the box. i have a hard time getting them down him though so he doesn't take them with much regularity.) how does all of this sound to you. I need to put lysine in the wet food for sneaker's herpes. the vet said this would not hurt bob's kidneys. what do you think about that? tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
Found Bun. It is 40. Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tonya, is that a typo for Bob's BUN value? Just very low for a CRF kitty with a Crea of 2.6. You will want to read and bookmark Tanya's web site. www.felineCRF.org SubQ fluids are usually given to maintain adequate hydration. Weekly fluids probably don't help much on that score. Usually kitties are no longer able to maintain adequate hydration when the Crea value gets to the high 3's but each kitty is different and requires a unique treatment plan. All of Bob's other values look good. The best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phosphorus food he'll eat. Sharyl Sissy Rocket and Daisy's babies --- On Tue, 7/15/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:15 AM Hey Belinda, This has been lost in cyberspace several times. I'm hoping it comes through with the new server. Bob's numbers: creatnine 2.5 bun 16 phosphorus 4.5 potassium 4.1 HCT 37.9 Other numbers that were noted as high were: urea nitrogen 40 cholesterol 269 amylase 1440 we have put him on the new science diet kd canned (it has a better consistency and it is the only one out of about 4 we've tried that he will eat.) 100 mL of fluid per week. and yes, he has high blood pressure and we have him on norvasc 2.5 mg daily plus the vet has recommended cosequin for joints and said it actually helps the kidneys (i can't read the dosage it's written so small on the capsules and i can't find the box. i have a hard time getting them down him though so he doesn't take them with much regularity.) how does all of this sound to you. I need to put lysine in the wet food for sneaker's herpes. the vet said this would not hurt bob's kidneys. what do you think about that? tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Welcome to new members and saying Hello
Hey Terrie, It's good to hear from you. I'm sorry to hear about your mother. I'm going through some hard times with my mom as well. I know it's difficult for you. take care, tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Sorry I haven't posted much these days. I've been busy as hell in rescue. Cats/kittens are coming out of the woodwork! The fact my mother is dying as well. Doctors are only giving her 1-3 months to live. She is still young (66 will be 67 on August 2nd) If she hangs on we will be throwing a B-B-Q Birthday for her. She had us kids when she was young and still got her education as she promised my grandparents. My parents were in the military and retired Lab/Dog and Siamese Cat breeders. They were respected and recognized in WA. state. We traveled the world as youngsters as well. I'm 50 years old. I wanted to let those of you know I'm so sorry to hear of your precious kitties that have went to the bridge. The day will come when you will be together again. For you new members this is the best group of people to get support and knowledge from. They have helped me with my FELV kitties and Non-FELV kitties. Thank you to those that have decided to let their kitties live regardless of what their Vets have said. I have to tell you I have mix both Felv/Non-Felv kitties in my home. Nobody that was negative has died from FELV. They died of old age or other illnesses. I do get their vaccinations when needed. There are some that do separate the Felvs from the Non-Felvs on this group. Anyway enjoy your kitties. Many can live for years then others like my Taz didn't make it pass 2 years old. Good food and love is the key factor here. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE http://tazzys.org/ http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/ Terrie Mohr-Forker - Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
Thanks Beth, Bob has always had problems with his kidneys/bladder. He had surgery for bladder stones at a young age. He tested positive for felv when he was young and then later tested negative. He has constantly had blood in his urine, has had bladder, kidney infections, etc.. his entire life. He's around 15 now. He's my old buddy. We have ALL (up to 15 at times) had to eat prescription diets since Bob had bladderstones. lol. We were all on Royal Canin S/O, but we've recently switched to science diet kd canned and dry (mostly canned). t Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya, Sounds like Bob is having problems very similar to what we are now going through with Will Feral. He began spraying a few weeks ago, blood has been in the urine off and on. X-ray was clear, urinalysis had no crystals, good ph, no blockage. Dx was interstitial cystitis. He did 2 weeks of Clavamox with no improvement. He is now on a glucosamine/chondroitin drug made for cats. It's called Dasuquin, it also has avacado/soybean unsaponifables added to it, probably just something to make it unique and patentable and doubly expensive. I mix 2 capsules with a tablespoon of Fancy Feast every morning and he scarfs it down. Didn't seem to be helping so the vet has added 1 more drug, Elavil (Amitriptyline) 5mg per day by pill popper. It is an anti-depressant but is also supposed to have anti-inflammatory properties. 4 days into it he still had bloody urine, we're at 1 week now, haven't seen any puddles in a couple of days, but he may just be hiding his squatting better. He's still playing fetch with his mouse and eating well. We haven't done the prescription food yet as it is difficult to feed it to just one of 5. I have decreased the amount of dry food they all get and have increased the wet. I also read some good tips somewhere (maybe I got the link here?) on getting them to drink more water. I now leave a bowl on the end table by the couch where he always tries to steal sips from my glass. They all love drinking at that spot now. I put the L-lysine into this water. Here are Will's blood values for comparison: Creatnine - 2.1(0.8-2.4) *HIGH NORMAL Bun - 35 (16-36) *HIGH NORMAL Na - 162 mmol/L (150-165) K - 4 mmol/L (3.5-5.8) Cl - 120 mmol/L (112-129) HCT - 37.4 (30-45) I'll holler if the Elavil, (or anything else) seems to work. Kind regards, Beth, Blue, Moxie. Dash, Scooter, and Will Feral ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
I think the cosequin is supposed to help with phosphorous or potassium or something like that. Mine are pink and white too. I dont know what the liver values are, but I listed everything that was out of range. Bob is eating well and his weight is fine, but he HATES getting fluids. He will take his norvasc in a pill pocket but he hates taking the cosequin because it's too big for one of those and I have to pill him. I checked out the crf site Beth sent and I'm going to look at methods of giving fluids and see if I can't figure out a better way to give them that will work. I normally can barely get 50 in him at a time, and quite frankly have given up on them until I felt like he really needed them to get by. :( t Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya, Lysine as far as I know isn't going to hurt his kidney's, never heard that Cosquin helps them, Fred gets this for his arthritis too. He gets the pink and white capsules, my vet said I could go with 1 or 2 a day depending on how Fred's arthritis seemed to be. He currently get 1 because he gets so much stuff now already, that seems to be enough for him. They really need to be given everyday though, they take up to 6 weeks to make a difference. I've never seen a BUN that low if it is correct, what are his liver values like? Blood Urea Nitrogen (BUN) - Urea, which is normally excreted by the kidney, is a by-product of protein metabolism. High levels of BUN may be the result of a high protein diet, dehydration, ulcers in the digestive tract, kidney disease, or blockage of the normal flow of urine (from a crystal or mucus plug, for example). Low BUN levels can result from a low protein diet or liver disease. I wouldn't worry so much about the low protein diet, my vet said she didn't get them on that until the end stages when they were a lot worse than Bob is, Fred doesn't eat that stuff and he does fine. He eats Fancy Feast, home cooked or baby food with supplements. He has been CRF for over 2 years now and his last blood work like I said was really good, almost normal. Mainly you want to keep the phosphorus under 6, mid 4's if good and the potassium solidly in the mid to high 4's. Low potassium can cause back leg muscle weakness and isn't good for the heart. I agree that 100cc of fluid a week is not going to do much good. If Bob is dehydrated I would give him between 50 and 100cc a day, if he isn't he doesn't need any fluids. Fred even when his numbers are low is dehydrated and needs 100cc a day. Fred has lost pretty much all the muscle in both back legs now, he still gets around OK just can't use them to scratch or anything else. He is starting to lose a bit of weight so I have to really keep on him to eat, he is getting lazy and if the food is not right there in front of him he will go without, so I have to remember to make sure he has food wherever he is laying. It's almost time for more blood work, kind of afraid of what it is going to say though, it was really good last time, so I hope it is still good. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.comHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.comForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I see you Helene. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Helene R. Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am making sure that I am on the list...although I don't correspond very much. Helene Hand ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
That makes more sense. Here is a link on giving Sub Q fluids that has really helped me. Sophia Gets Her Subcutaneous (Sub Q) Fluids http://www.tinyurl.com/63max Good luck Sharyl --- On Tue, 7/15/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 2:58 PM Found Bun. It is 40. Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, is that a typo for Bob's BUN value? Just very low for a CRF kitty with a Crea of 2.6. You will want to read and bookmark Tanya's web site. www.felineCRF.org SubQ fluids are usually given to maintain adequate hydration. Weekly fluids probably don't help much on that score. Usually kitties are no longer able to maintain adequate hydration when the Crea value gets to the high 3's but each kitty is different and requires a unique treatment plan. All of Bob's other values look good. The best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phosphorus food he'll eat. Sharyl Sissy Rocket and Daisy's babies --- On Tue, 7/15/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:15 AM Hey Belinda, This has been lost in cyberspace several times. I'm hoping it comes through with the new server. Bob's numbers: creatnine 2.5 bun 16 phosphorus 4.5 potassium 4.1 HCT 37.9 Other numbers that were noted as high were: urea nitrogen 40 cholesterol 269 amylase 1440 we have put him on the new science diet kd canned (it has a better consistency and it is the only one out of about 4 we've tried that he will eat.) 100 mL of fluid per week. and yes, he has high blood pressure and we have him on norvasc 2.5 mg daily plus the vet has recommended cosequin for joints and said it actually helps the kidneys (i can't read the dosage it's written so small on the capsules and i can't find the box. i have a hard time getting them down him though so he doesn't take them with much regularity.) how does all of this sound to you. I need to put lysine in the wet food for sneaker's herpes. the vet said this would not hurt bob's kidneys. what do you think about that? tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Melina Please add to the CLS :(
I am so sorry about Smokey. Please don't feel bad--he knew how much you cared for him. I agree that you will find the right kitty for you among those who are most in need. And that feels good. Pat - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Melina Please add to the CLS :( I am so sorry to have to write this. We lost our sweet little Smokey cat. When I took him to my vet before we left on vacation she told us that the sores in his mouth were caused from the virus and that he was suffering. She said there wasn't anything that could be done. I just couldn't believe it because I really thought he was doing so much better and that the sores were from herpes, which I explained to her. She said no, sometimes these sores are caused from the decease and that he was in great pain. Every time I think about the times that I cleaned his little mouth it breaks my heart because I now know how much I was hurting him. I was as gentle as I could be but I thought I needed to keep the sores doctored and I really didn't realize how much pain he was in. Stupid me, I thought I was helping him and that he was getting better. After some time goes by, I plan on going to a rescue facility and adopting a cat. I will try to get a little cat that has been passed by, maybe a little older one, I don't really know, I figure I will know when I see him/her. Thank you for all the information and support. You all were a great source of information and support. Sincerely, Kathryn -Original Message- From: Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 7:07 am Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( Kathryn, you can buy it as a pill from a drug store and maybe in a capsule. I started with 500 mg caplets and they were tough to crush. I ended up buying the powder from iHerbs. http://www.iherb.com/Search.aspx?c=1st=lkw=L-Lysine Much easier to work with. I dissolve it in a little water, mix with food and feed it to mine. Sharyl --- On Tue, 7/8/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 6:12 PM It occurred to me last night that I did not take the time to properly say my condolences for the lost kittys such as Melina. It saddens me whenever a little animal leaves us and my thoughts are sincerely with their owners. I've been kind of preoccupied with Smokey. I really understand how these guys can effect you, I think it's because they are so innocent and, like Smokey, are so trusting. Every time I go to pet him, which is a lot, he purrs, even though he's not feeling great. I will be gone for six days on a previously planned vacation, (bad timing, I know). However, he will be staying with my vet, I'm really hoping that she can get his ulcers cleared up. I absolutely will get him on lysine. Just one more question if you all don't mind: Do I get it in liquid form or is it a powder? I'll email when I return to give an update. Can you send pictures on this site? If so and if it's appropriate, I can send a picture of Smokey. Thanks, again, Kathryn -Original Message- From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 8:10 pm Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( Wendy I am doing ok.Thanks for your concern.I really had the urge NOT to go to Sids tonight.But my heart dragged me there as usual.Not the same without Melina there.She was the first one I would look for and then I would carry her around and do the cat check head count.I fell for that baby girl the second I laid eyes on her. Also keep Jaws in your prayers,he is not doing so well.Another one that wins over your heart as soon as you meet him. Thanks so much, Sherry --- On Mon, 7/7/08, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 10:47 AM Sherry, How are you today? I hope you're doing better. I'm sorry about Melina. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Felvtalk] New love at Sids
oh, send photos! (um, james/belinda, do we have a photo section anyplace?) i was looking at photos from the local sanctuary today, and there's one there of a little felv calico who has been gone now for, wow, five years--but just looking at her all sprawled out on her bed (she was a littlle drama queen, hence, sarah,) brought big grins--i was SO lucky to have known her, and wouldn't trade a second of it. she loved me! what a gift that was. beth will give you the same gift, i bet. MC On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you all know I have loved and losy many precious babies from Sids.Well I think my little Melina that just left us recently sent me a new love to help heal the empty spot in my heart. :) Her name is Beth and she is a beautiful calico and is as sweet as can be.I have pledged to love her as much as I can in whatever time I have with her.One of my volunteer friends e-mailed me Sunday night after meeting Beth.She told me she is a Sherry cat.Boy was she right.The second I saw her I almost cried.Such a shame that she has this aweful disease.Is ther ever going to be a cure!!?? Just wanted to share the news with you on my new love.Of course I love ALL the Sids kids. :) Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
