Re: [Felvtalk] ot-another fip Q
Hi, me again, I just re-read some info on FIP at this site, and they are saying FCoV transmission is primarily through shared litterboxes, so even less chance for worry... http://marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin. It's become my latest discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens with problem eyes. I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes, because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and arginine. The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to be able to squirt it in the mouth. Good luck, Gloria On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:49 PM, catatonya wrote: thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's been exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at least a year now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't know... t Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now this was many years ago like 1972 when my Bud cat got sick. I was in college and my dad took hin to the vet who dx'd FIP. Now I know there were not tests done it was based on observation and he did not respond to antibiotics. Anyway the weekend I was to come home he left and was never seen again he was 10. I do not know about the tummy part I do know he was losing weight. Sally On 11/2/08, catatonya wrote: Hi all, I know many of you have had experience with fip. My cat sneaker has chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.) he has difficulty breathing, but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail. And he is semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything. Anyway, I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly. Would a cat that is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time? Wouldn't he act sicker if that's what it was? I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet food. So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT tummy. Am I being paranoid. When he breathes through his nose it sounds like he has a cold. There is no sneezing and he has no eye discharge or anything. thanks in advance for any ideas. tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murdoch,Cody,Bijou and London
Sherry, this is good news indeed. May they all continue to prosper. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:31 AM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Murdoch,Cody,Bijou and London Hi all,as you remember I sent out a prayer and good thought request for these babies.Well I am happy to report that all four seem to be doing very good right now.Bijou did lose her sight,but we think she can still see shadows.Bijou also went home with one of our volunteers and seems very happy.Sorry I took so long on the update.Thank you ALL so much for your kind words and prayers.may all of you and your fuzzer butts stay healthy. Sherry and my 5 fuzzer butts Rafferty,CouCous,Xander,Tristan and Mystique We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its aweful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
A vet can usually tell if fluid in the stomach feels like the type of accumulation you find with FIP or not, if there is fluid, they will draw it to see if characterisitic of FIP (straw colored) but the fluid should still be tested. FIP is frequently misdiagnosed. And yes, many cats carry corona virus their whole lives without ever developing FIP which is caused by a mutation in the virus. Wet fip (where you have a fluid effusion in the belly or chest cavity) usually results in a very sick cat pretty quickly, so it's good if she's eating, feels well, energetic, etc. Would be good to have a vet check her belly to see what they think may be going on in case it's something else, too, of course. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:29 AM, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: gloria, i'd love to see the link between ANTIBIOTICS, herpes and lysine/arginine--since it's the latter the keeps the herpes from replicating. there was just some research about using lysine in shelter cats; it's on the winn feline foundation blog--if read incorrectly, makes it sound as if lysine doesn't do anything, but the study wasn't designed to test what lysine can do, but something it's never claimed to! in the last three months, maybe even two---www.winnfelinehealth.org. zithromax is a wonder drug. in persians who come into rescue with symptoms of uri, we don't even try other antibiotics, we head right for the zithro... and kelley, i thought that cats process FeCoV out of their systems in most cases after a few months if everyone in the house isn't just passing it back in forth, or if new kitties aren't coming in--which is why cats in smaller households are less likely to show high titres? my understanding--could be wrong--is that the high percentage of cats (and humans) who test positive on CoV titres is at any one time--so the same sample won't necessarily do so the next time. grade-school teachers, for example, are going to be much more likely to have higher titres more of the year than say, oh, 57-year-olds, who stay home with their cats 6 days out of 7.. as for the age thing with FIP, the one thing i know for sure is that there is mounting evidence (i'm not sure if they're declared it conclusive yet), of a genetic predisposition for common strains of FeCoV to mutate into FIP, so a predisposed cat whose immune system was able to prevent that earlier might not be so able as its immune system failed with age. i just question how many cases of unknown illnesses now diagnosed as FIP actually are. seems it's the answer of choice when vets don't know what's going on, or don't want to be bothered finding out, so somewhat more difficult to find patterns. MC On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin. It's become my latest discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens with problem eyes. I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes, because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and arginine. The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to be able to squirt it in the mouth. Good luck, Gloria -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
GOOD vets can tell if the fluid feels like FIP, and GOOD vets will draw fluid. i no longer presume that a vet is good without reason to. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
good point, esp. w/regards to FIP, even some good vets don't know what they are talking about. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:04 AM, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: GOOD vets can tell if the fluid feels like FIP, and GOOD vets will draw fluid. i no longer presume that a vet is good without reason to. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-another fip Q
Might also want to check out http://www.dr-addie.com/PreventionS1.htm scroll to the bottom of the page for a list of cat litters that kill the FCoV. Lots of other great info on FIP on Dr. Addie's site. Gary - Original Message - From: Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-another fip Q Hi, me again, I just re-read some info on FIP at this site, and they are saying FCoV transmission is primarily through shared litterboxes, so even less chance for worry... http://marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3576 (20081102) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
About a year ago, stray calico kitty that we fostered, and found a great home for had such a bloated belly when we saw her, we thought she was pregnant! I thought she was 99.999% pregnant, that is how large her stomach was. We took her to a local vet, and they offered to do an ultrasound and palpitation. It turned out it the vet said some cats get that way after starving and not being able to eat regularly. She had presumably been dumped by someone in the area, and was very domesticated and sweet. She was checked for worms-- clear, FeLV and FIV- clear, and is the picture of health, being spoiled by her human up in Northern Cali.:) -Original Message- From: Heather [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 6:58 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip? A vet can usually tell if fluid in the stomach feels like the type of accumulation you find with FIP or not, if there is fluid, they will draw it to see if characterisitic of FIP (straw colored) but the fluid should still be tested. FIP is frequently misdiagnosed. And yes, many cats carry corona virus their whole lives without ever developing FIP which is caused by a mutation in the virus. Wet fip (where you have a fluid effusion in the belly or chest cavity) usually results in a very sick cat pretty quickly, so it's good if she's eating, feels well, energetic, etc. Would be good to have a vet check her belly to see what they think may be going on in case it's something else, too, of course. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:29 AM, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: gloria, i'd love to see the link between ANTIBIOTICS, herpes and lysine/arginine--since it's the latter the keeps the herpes from replicating. there was just some research about using lysine in shelter cats; it's on the winn feline foundation blog--if read incorrectly, makes it sound as if lysine doesn't do anything, but the study wasn't designed to test what lysine can do, but something it's never claimed to! in the last three months, maybe even two---www.winnfelinehealth.org. zithromax is a wonder drug. in persians who come into rescue with symptoms of uri, we don't even try other antibiotics, we head right for the zithro... and kelley, i thought that cats process FeCoV out of their systems in most cases after a few months if everyone in the house isn't just passing it back in forth, or if new kitties aren't coming in--which is why cats in smaller households are less likely to show high titres? my understanding--could be wrong--is that the high percentage of cats (and humans) who test positive on CoV titres is at any one time--so the same sample won't necessarily do so the next time. grade-school teachers, for example, are going to be much more likely to have higher titres more of the year than say, oh, 57-year-olds, who stay home with their cats 6 days out of 7.. as for the age thing with FIP, the one thing i know for sure is that there is mounting evidence (i'm not sure if they're declared it conclusive yet), of a genetic predisposition for common strains of FeCoV to mutate into FIP, so a predisposed cat whose immune system was able to prevent that earlier might not be so able as its immune system failed with age. i just question how many cases of unknown illnesses now diagnosed as FIP actually are. seems it's the answer of choice when vets don't know what's going on, or don't want to be bothered finding out, so somewhat more difficult to find patterns. MC On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin. It's become my latest discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens with problem eyes. I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes, because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and arginine. The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to be able to squirt it in the mouth. Good luck, Gloria -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool
Thanks so much Tracey for all this helpful info. Will look at the site as soon as I get a break from work. I'm picking up more meds tonight, and if that does nothing, then this will be my backup plan. Your story about Abbey is very encouraging--congratulations. She's a lucky little girl that she found you! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracey Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool Kerry, I have had a little experience with the loose stools you're talking about. A few months ago I found a kitten (Abbey) who was near death who tested +. She had uncontrollable diarrhea, I mean it was everywhere and she didn't even seem to know it was coming out. Of course she had been starving and eating God knows what. But I fed her only the best food (Wellness canned) to try to get her healthy. She was wormed and was on antibiotics for 10 days initially. Gradually over the first few weeks she got better and better, but she would still 'ooze' frequently outside the litter box, and inside the box it was still extremely loose like babyfood. So I started giving her Fortiflora (recommended by the vet) for 30 days. It did help a little bit, but it was never solid like it should have been. I have 3 other cats, all -'s and I have fed them a homemade raw chicken and bones diet for the last 9 months. I was reluctant to give it to her (Abbey) because I was hoping to find her a home and it would be very unlikely that anyone else would give her that same diet, so I didn't want her system to have to get used to a different diet. Anyway, after about 6 weeks of dealing with the diarrhea, I started feeding her the raw diet. It was amazing! Within a week it was solid as can be, and she is really the picture of health. Another cat I took in a year ago (Missy), a stray starving kitten, also had diarrhea issues, but hers also had blood in it (bright red). Of course I had her stools checked and they never found anything wrong, which is terribly frustrating. You know there has to be something wrong if there is blood in it. My vets could never find anything though. She is the reason I started researching cat foods. I took me a long time to make the decision to make my own food and it also took a while to get them switched over to this new diet, but it was well worth the effort! They are so healthy! Their coats are extremely shiny and softer, their temperaments are better, they are much more active (playing more than they ever did), and my 16 lb 'fat cat' has lost a little weight. I just couldn't believe it could make such a difference. I got my recipe form catinfo.com and catnutrition.com. These are awesome websites, one is even a veterinarian. It is 'complete' if you make it right and use the right ingredients and supplements. It is not that expensive. I make 15 pounds of it at a time and freeze it. Making the food is a bit intimidating at first, but I have it down pat now. I will never feed dryfood again, or use anything but a high quality food. It does makes all the difference. Good luck! Tracey (Indiana) - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool Hi all, My FeLV foster kitten, Daisy (about 14 weeks old now) has had soft stools, and sometimes uncontrollable diarrhea, ever since she was found in the street at 3 weeks. When I began fostering her about 5 weeks ago she had been taking meds for coccidia for several weeks without improvement. I took her to my vet, who has state of the art everything, including feces-testing methods, and he found that her coccidia had cleared up (it never actually goes away) and what she had was (bad) bacterial growth. He put her on a 3-meds treatment plan that included 5 days Panacure. She has control now, but her stool is still baby food consistency. My question is---have any of you ever used an exclusive diet of broiled or raw chicken to treat a *kitten's* diarrhea/loose stool? I've used it successfully with my former adult FeLV, Snoball, but I'm worried about the effects of an incomplete (albeit temporary) diet of this kind on a kitten. I'd also welcome hearing of any other successful ways that anyone may have found in treating kittens' loose stools. Thanks! Kerry M. _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any
Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
see, i would say keep them together, because they've probably already been as exposed as they're gonna be, and if mom is negative, it means their exposure is probably from great-aunt tabby, the neighborhood nursemaid. we don't really know for sure how FeLV works in kittens who don't get it from their moms, nor if a mom who is negative after birth was positive in early pregnancy but passed it out of her system while pregnant, or if she DID do that, if maybe she passed some of her strong-enough-to-do-that immunities on to the babies! mom's being negative, tho, is a very good sign for the strength of the genetic side of things. and with four negatives already, you may just have come in on the tail end of the exposure curve on that one (yes, i DO tend to be more optimistic, because when only 30% of cats who test positive remain infected, and vaccinated cats who are really negative don't ever seem to get the virus even when in close proximity with other cats, well, i am nowhere near as frightened of the CONTAGION element of this virus than i used to be. the results of it, when activated? that's a different story altogether. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murdoch,Cody,Bijou and London
Hi, delay understood. our babies all come first. glad they are better. dorlis Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all,as you remember I sent out a prayer and good thought request for these babies.Well I am happy to report that all four seem to be doing very good right now.Bijou did lose her sight,but we think she can still see shadows.Bijou also went home with one of our volunteers and seems very happy.Sorry I took so long on the update.Thank you ALL so much for your kind words and prayers.may all of you and your fuzzer butts stay healthy. Sherry and my 5 fuzzer butts Rafferty,CouCous,Xander,Tristan and Mystique We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its aweful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
no, not paranoid. i at least call my vet when i notice something new and in this case, would probably take him in just to be sure. better to go in and catch something in early stages than wait. so people think you are nuts, that is their problem. dorlis catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I know many of you have had experience with fip. My cat sneaker has chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.) he has difficulty breathing, but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail. And he is semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything. Anyway, I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly. Would a cat that is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time? Wouldn't he act sicker if that's what it was? I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet food. So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT tummy. Am I being paranoid. When he breathes through his nose it sounds like he has a cold. There is no sneezing and he has no eye discharge or anything. thanks in advance for any ideas. tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-another fip Q
Thanks for this to and all who responded. I am going to assume all is well. I rescued her 3 weeks ago and no change except the belly is a little smaller! Laurie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beth Noren Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:44 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-another fip Q Hi Laurie, If there are no other symptoms (fever, pronounced spine) then I wouldn't worry. Wet FIP normally progresses pretty quickly, from my experience and what I've read. When I lost my Alice to it it was maybe 3 weeks or less from first noticing symptoms to having her so swollen and unresponsive to meds that we had to pts. As you may already know, FIP isn't directly contagious from cat to cat. Instead, the usually harmless but very contagious feline corona virus, which is present in a majority of shelter and cattery cats, happens to mutate into deadly FIP within a specific cat. So it IF Tessa has FIP, your others likely already have FCoV, even just with limited casual contact, but unlikely that it would mutate into FIP in another of your cats. Some strains of FCoV do seem to make deadly mutations easier than others, and genetics may make some cats more susceptible than others. In my case, Alice's siblings are all still here at 2.5 years... Wouldn't worry too much, Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
MC, do you mind if I pass this along to my neighborhood association website? There's a lot of fear out there. When I brought the kittens home, I chose to stop crying, get educated, and move on. I would like others to benefit from your post. --- On Mon, 11/3/08, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:42 PM see, i would say keep them together, because they've probably already been as exposed as they're gonna be, and if mom is negative, it means their exposure is probably from great-aunt tabby, the neighborhood nursemaid. we don't really know for sure how FeLV works in kittens who don't get it from their moms, nor if a mom who is negative after birth was positive in early pregnancy but passed it out of her system while pregnant, or if she DID do that, if maybe she passed some of her strong-enough-to-do-that immunities on to the babies! mom's being negative, tho, is a very good sign for the strength of the genetic side of things. and with four negatives already, you may just have come in on the tail end of the exposure curve on that one (yes, i DO tend to be more optimistic, because when only 30% of cats who test positive remain infected, and vaccinated cats who are really negative don't ever seem to get the virus even when in close proximity with other cats, well, i am nowhere near as frightened of the CONTAGION element of this virus than i used to be. the results of it, when activated? that's a different story altogether. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
let's see if anyone wants to fight me about my opinions, first, then ask again! (but you're right, it's the education part that's so vital. i remember when i had all my cats tested, because a recent former housemate, tested negative at the shelter, had died from complications of the virus my vet told me that i didn't need to retest--they were all negative--until/unless someone showed symptoms. that was in 2000. they haven't, and i haven't.) -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
He's eating fine. The problem is he's 12 years old. Can cats 'harbor' fip like felv? tonya Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya, I lost one 12 week old to suspected wet FIP 2 years ago. She had a chronic URI and began having fevers that stopped responding to antibiotics. When her belly very first started to swell I noticed it, but the vet couldn't see it (or perhaps didn't want me to worry too much prematurely?) It quickly became obvious, (swayed, stuck out to the sides, hung way down, felt a bit like a water balloon) and was accompanied by anorexia and a very pronounced spine. From the first signs of swelling to the end was maybe 3 weeks or less? Hope sneakers is ok, if he's still eating good and no fevers then that's a good sign. Beth On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:49 PM, catatonya wrote: thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's been exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at least a year now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't know... t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That's why I'm thinking it's not fip. This has been going on over a year (the breathing difficulty). The weight gain only for a few months. I would think he would have to show some other symptoms and be sicker than the breathing problem if it's fip, but he does have a fat belly. thank you! t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it isn't a matter of harboring FIP. FIP is a mutation of coronavirus, which many/most cats, especially those who have been through kill shelters, have been exposed to at one time or another. Most cats can carry coronavirus throughout their lives with no ill effects. There is no way to tell in which cats the virus will mutate. Cats who live in single cat households generally clear the virus over time, with multiple cat households. Wet food does not typically cause weight gain, if anything it would cause weight loss. There is a test which MC will probably remember the name of that can rule out FIP. Most vets do not know about it. If the cat does indeed have wet FIP, the prognosis is very poor and the time frame is short, but I do think a lot of vets use FIP as a diagnosis when they don't really know what is wrong. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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great site. I'm going to assume if he's not got sicker over the past few months it must just be weight gain. He is eating more because he likes the wet food better. thanks, t Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a link with a good explanation: http://marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html Beth :o) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hey Gloria, We've tried it. The problem is he's very difficult to pill. When I start him on antibiotics he runs and hides and I can't catch him for days... He has escaped at the vet's office twice (at two different vets) because he literally climbs the walls to escape! We have tried zithromax and zenoquin and one other. but he never got them every single day for the entire time period. :( Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin. It's become my latest discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens with problem eyes. I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes, because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and arginine. The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to be able to squirt it in the mouth. Good luck, Gloria On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:49 PM, catatonya wrote: thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's been exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at least a year now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't know... t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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His belly feels 'tight' to the touch. Can a cat keep an ongoing herpes infection that never worsens or improves much? Heather [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A vet can usually tell if fluid in the stomach feels like the type of accumulation you find with FIP or not, if there is fluid, they will draw it to see if characterisitic of FIP (straw colored) but the fluid should still be tested. FIP is frequently misdiagnosed. And yes, many cats carry corona virus their whole lives without ever developing FIP which is caused by a mutation in the virus. Wet fip (where you have a fluid effusion in the belly or chest cavity) usually results in a very sick cat pretty quickly, so it's good if she's eating, feels well, energetic, etc. Would be good to have a vet check her belly to see what they think may be going on in case it's something else, too, of course. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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i don't know if they have something like this for the antibiotics he is getting, but my vet gave Annie an injection that lasts for 2 weeks. she also is difficult to pill, give liquids and is super good at hiding. she can get lost in our house very easy. my Snuggles also hated pills, liquids, any kind of meds. he used every weapon in his arsenal and had no problems with biting, scratching me to avoid them. once, he got a grass seed lodged in his lung, almost died and had to be put on oxygen for couple of days the vet gave him shots those days, but sent him home with horse size pills to be given every day. after 1 day, ended up going to vet every day for shots. that way, i did ot have to get a transfusion every day. dorlis catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Gloria, We've tried it. The problem is he's very difficult to pill. When I start him on antibiotics he runs and hides and I can't catch him for days... He has escaped at the vet's office twice (at two different vets) because he literally climbs the walls to escape! We have tried zithromax and zenoquin and one other. but he never got them every single day for the entire time period. :( Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin. It's become my latest discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens with problem eyes. I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes, because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and arginine. The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to be able to squirt it in the mouth. Good luck, Gloria On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:49 PM, catatonya wrote: thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's been exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at least a year now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't know... t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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sounds like he is Snuggles reincarnated. good luck with him. will pray for you both, YOU will need it. dorlis catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't feel like it's fluid. It doesn't sound like there's any fluid when he listened to his chest the last time. (I was thinking asthma or chf at that time). I just don't want to take him to the vet anymore. I don't see him for weeks after a vet visit. :( t MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GOOD vets can tell if the fluid feels like FIP, and GOOD vets will draw fluid. i no longer presume that a vet is good without reason to. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It doesn't feel like it's fluid. It doesn't sound like there's any fluid when he listened to his chest the last time. (I was thinking asthma or chf at that time). I just don't want to take him to the vet anymore. I don't see him for weeks after a vet visit. :( t MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GOOD vets can tell if the fluid feels like FIP, and GOOD vets will draw fluid. i no longer presume that a vet is good without reason to. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
