Re: [Felvtalk] Neurological disorders in FelV cats
now i am wondering if that was Shadow's problem. he suddently loss use of his back legs and was in great pain. took him to Missouri University Vet Hospital and did x-rays. he had a tumor on his spine. since felv can cause tumors and neurological problems, seems this could have been the case although he never tested positive for felv. dorlis Doggone Fit doggone...@doggonefit.com wrote: I have not been following this thread, so please excuse my reply if it is out of context. I have a 2 year old felv+ experiencing neurological disorders as well. Come to find out, some of his meds (stone/bladder issues) were causing it. We discontinued meds and he is now at about 90%. Much more comfortable than he was. *_ Heidi Frank Doggone Fit™ *www.doggonefit.com http://www.doggonefit.com Lorrie wrote: Yes, neurological disorders for sure. I had a FelV kitten who lost control of her back legs as well as bladder control. She was a sweetheart who is now at the Rainbow Bridge. On 03-12, Maria Ianiro wrote: Maybe dementia is a bad word... I'm pretty sure Felv can cause neurological disorders? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. My felv+ cat is also the most loving and friendly cat that I have had so much personality. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mikey Please add to the CLS :(
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:40 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: i don't know if i could stand working in a shelter. i would want to take all of them home with me. need to win the lottery for that. i am at my limit now of 5 babies. any more and i would have to seriously re orgainze my finances. fixed incomes are a bummer. i don't know how you do it but more power to you and God be with you. dorlis Sherry volunteers at a great no-kill sanctuary; I expect it is vastly different from working in a kill shelter. I don't know how she does it either for different reasons, though. They suffer a lot of losses. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help with medical expenses for two very special kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Devastated and Ignorant-Confused-New Diagnosis in Multiple Cat Household
thank you Jenny. not even my vet explained it this wel to me. dorlis jb...@tds.net wrote: Steven, It is a difficult diagnosis to hear, so first, I am sorry. Second, Felv+ is not an immediate death sentence for all felines in a household. I agree with what has already been said, in that separating him may only cause stress, and this is a huge factor for felv+ cats. It can push them over the edge. There is a great fear among vets with felv+ cats and often times they recommend euthanasia or at least strict separation. I think this is unfortunate, but because of the unpredictable nature of disease transmission; development, or lack of such development, of immunity; disease carrier state; and progression of disease, this is often what vets fall back on. In any event they almost always adovcate separation, but after a long history of prolonged exposure, it may be a mute point. Some vets believe transmission can occur at any time despite having been exposed to it in the past. In other words just because a cat has been exposed to the virus and fought it off, it they are exposed again they may acquire the disease, i.e. there is no lifetime immunity. It is a great source of debate, and the knowledge simply isn't there. Ultimately, it is a decision only you can make. Certainly people in this group have had good success with intermingling. I would recommend vaccinating any negative cats if you do comingle them. Do not, however, vaccinate a positive cat Third, felv is a virus that gets inside the cells responsible for a cat's immune response - white blood cells, including lymphocyts and macrophages. The virus actually implants its DNA into your cat's cells DNA and uses your cats cells to replicate itself. Because it is living inside of and playing with the DNA of your cats cells, these cells no longer function properly and can start to multiply out of control. This is why they develop into lymphomas - uncontrolled replication of lymphocytes. Additionally, your cats immune cells work to keep other cancers from forming - they actually kill other cells that start replicating out of control. In felv+ cats the immune cells are not working properly and can't kill those other out of control cells. This can lead to increased risk of other types of cancers as well. Finally, because your cats immune cells are also responsible for fighting off infections and they are not working properly, your cat is at an increased risk of developing infections. Often it is either these infections (or their sequelae) or the cancers that act as the cause of death in felv+ cats. So armed with this knowledge, it is understandable why everyone here strongly suggests decreasing stress (as increased stress often leads to decreased immune response), giving an excellent diet, give what can be given to strengthen the immune system, treat infections as necessary and give as much supportive care as possible. Since there is currently no cure for felv, supportive care and treatment of infections and secondary cancers (including lymphomas or sarcomas - another form of cancer) are currently our only options. This is perhaps another reason why vets are so fearful of this disease. There are many here that advocate different medications that help boost the immune system. Immulan and Acemannan are two such meds that have been discussed with this groups. There are others. Fourth, with respect to the lung mass. It is likely that it is a lymphoma or lymphosarcoma, but it generally helps to get a diagnosis first. There are different types of lymphomas that respond differently to chemotherapeutic regimens. In general a sample of the mass is taken first to be evaluated by pathology for a diagnosis. Once diagnosed treatment options can be discussed. Generally, any cancer treated earlier, rather than later, has a much better chance of a good outcome. There are a lot of questions you will likely be faced with concerning this situation. I am constantly amazed at the sincerity, support, and willingness to share that this group provides. If you need any help on this journey, this group is certainly one to rely on. Good luck and God bless. Jenny spertus...@aol.com wrote: Hello everyone, My name is Steven with a long history of feline stewardship; will not say owner because who owns who is always in question! :) Sorry for a long post. I am confused and wanting to make sure I get the most efficient and best treatment possible for a recent diagnosis: I have 6 felines in my household: Rosie-12 year old female brown tabby Samauri a/k/a Sammy- 9 year old male blonde tabby Olivander- 7 year old male Maine Coon Maggie- 3 year old female blonde and white tabby Squeaky-2 year old female tuxedo Fuzzy-2 year old male long haired tuxedo and brother of Squeaky
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanizing FELV+ cats in shelters
Amen to that! it is hard to convince people of that though. around here, the solution to strays is a bullet. dorlis Stray Cat Alliance stray_cat_allia...@hotmail.com wrote: Respectfully Patrica, I could not agree less. A positive result does not mean death is imminent. A healthy cat can suddenly become ill - just like people - does that mean that cat should be euthanized? This is a what if scenario. You have done marvelous things in placing all of those cats. I think the problem is that we need massive spay/neuter programs - targeting pets of low income individuals and feral cats. Also shelters should not accept feral cats at all as they will simply be euthanized there. Instead, Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) is the answer - the only proven method. Pet cats of low income who cannot afford spay/neuter often roam and give birth to feral cats who supply an incredible amount of kittens to rescues and shelters. Spay/neuter itself is the one thing that does the most to reduce the occurence of these viruses (FIV and Felv). Best wishes, Anita Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies kittens. Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral cats!) that died simply because they did not have a home. Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter animal its life. Save lives, spay-neuter, support Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) adopt for life! Visit http://www.castawaycritters.org/info/display?PageID=153 for information on Spay/Neuter in Mid-Central PA Visit http://www.alleycat.org and http://www.neighborhoodcats.org for info on humane control of free roaming cats Visit http://www.pawsofpa.org for information on spay/neuter clinics and resources in south-central PA Join the Yahoo! Group for feral free roaming cats http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feralcatsinsouthcentralpa/ To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org From: patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:24:35 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] Euthanizing FELV+ cats in shelters With respect to the general practice of euthanizing FELV+ cats in shelters, having fostered many cats from a big city shelter that of course was underfunded and understaffed, I can say that in my city it is impossible to find foster homes, never mind adoptive homes, for all that test positive. Very young kittens cannot be tested reliably and of course, the need for foster homes for the littlest babies is great. When fosterers finally test those kittens and find out that one or more is positive, there are really only a couple of options. That home can keep the kitten sequestered if possible for retesting when older or take it back to be euthanized. Then what happens if the kitten retests positive? Or what about the older cat that is infected shortly before it gets into the shelter and tests negative when going to a foster home but if actually carrying the virus? In my case, I ended up with 3 positive one year olds along with my adult cats who are vaccinated. I have decided to no longer foster any other cats because, outside of the logistics of separating which would be too hard in my situation, I don't want to introduce a new stressor in the house that might trigger the FELV to become active in these positive ones. My answer is to care for these positives for the rest of their lives. However, I fostered and found adoptive homes for 100 kittens and cats in the last two years but now, because I am hospicing these 3 cats, it is fair to say that a good number of cats will die in the next two years as the kill rate is significant here. It is a really painful fact that I could save the lives of many more than three cats if I put these FELV+ cats down. Therefore, because healthy happy well adjusted wonderful pet cats are put down every single day of the year in my city and probably most other big cities, I think that a policy of euthanizing cats that test positive for an incurable illness before euthanizing healthy adoptable cats makes sense. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanizing FELV+ cats in shelters
what about putting them onto this group. if they would take the time to read some of the posts, they could see that cats can live with felv. they can be adopted out , just explain the possible problems that could, not definetly will come up so the adoptor will be informed and better able to care for the cat. at least give them a chance. dorlis souther...@aol.com wrote: The shelter where I volunteer is a no kill shelter unless the cat tests positive for Feline Leukemia or Feline Aids. If they do, they are immediately euthanized. That day. ?? What I'd like to do is to convince them to give me a few days to see if I can find anyone who will adopt these cats before they are killed.? I understand the theory of the shelter. But they don't look at FeLV + the same way I do.? They truly believe that this is a cat with a death sentence.? Since I have a boy that has lived with me for two years, and lived well, I see that these cats may have a long life ahead if given a chance.? And I know that in some cases you can test a cat, have it test positive, and then test it again in a few weeks and have it test negative. ? This is a small new shelter and they may be amenable to discussion.? And since I had a vet tell me that I should have this cat euthanized when I took him in to be neutered, I guess it's a particularly sore spot with me.? I think the General is pretty happy that I didn't listen to that vet. Sidney and the General -Original Message- From: patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 8:24 am Subject: [Felvtalk] Euthanizing FELV+ cats in shelters With respect to the general practice of euthanizing FELV+ cats in shelters, having fostered many cats from a big city shelter that of course was underfunded and understaffed, I can say that in my city it is impossible to find foster homes, never mind adoptive homes, for all that test positive. Very young kittens cannot be tested reliably and of course, the need for foster homes for the littlest babies is great. When fosterers finally test those kittens and find out that one or more is positive, there are really only a couple of options. That home can keep the kitten sequestered if possible for retesting when older or take it back to be euthanized. Then what happens if the kitten retests positive? Or what about the older cat that is infected shortly before it gets into the shelter and tests negative when going to a foster home but if actually carrying the virus? In my case, I ended up with 3 positive one year olds along with my adult cats who are vaccinated. I have decided to no longer foster any other cats because, outside of the logistics of separating which would be too hard in my situation, I don't want to introduce a new stressor in the house that might trigger the FELV to become active in these positive ones. My answer is to care for these positives for the rest of their lives. However, I fostered and found adoptive homes for 100 kittens and cats in the last two years but now, because I am hospicing these 3 cats, it is fair to say that a good number of cats will die in the next two years as the kill rate is significant here. It is a really painful fact that I could save the lives of many more than three cats if I put these FELV+ cats down. Therefore, because healthy happy well adjusted wonderful pet cats are put down every single day of the year in my city and probably most other big cities, I think that a policy of euthanizing cats that test positive for an incurable illness before euthanizing healthy adoptable cats makes sense. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanizing FELV+ cats in shelters
Amen to that too! it is up to those who do care to work harder to change all those who don't. dorlis Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: I agree 100% with Anita, we live in a world where more and more people become less responsible, less humane and less caring about anything *but* themselves. Until that changes nothing else will. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanizing FELV+ cats in shelters
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Stray Cat Alliance stray_cat_allia...@hotmail.com wrote: Respectfully Patrica, I could not agree less. A positive result does not mean death is imminent. A healthy cat can suddenly become ill - just like people - does that mean that cat should be euthanized? This is a what if scenario. Realities of life in kill shelters - cats are killed for having URI, ringwom, and other things that are 100% curable. Here locally they do not necessarily kill cats who test pos for FELV and FIV, but few rescues will take them, and they won't put them in their adoption program, so I'd say while 70% of all cats at our local kill shelter are killed, maybe 95-99% of FELV+ cats are killed. This list can be a great networking tool in placing FELV+ cats, we just placed one in January, but we really do not have fosters who will/can take them, she was an anomaly we found outside. You have done marvelous things in placing all of those cats. I think the problem is that we need massive spay/neuter programs - targeting pets of low income individuals and feral cats. Also shelters should not accept feral cats at all as they will simply be euthanized there. Instead, Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) is the answer - the only proven method. Pet cats of low income who cannot afford spay/neuter often roam and give birth to feral cats who supply an incredible amount of kittens to rescues and shelters. Unfortunately I have pushed for our local kill shelter to not accept feral cats and they refuse to even consider it. It is very forward thinking to not accept ferals. San Antonio, TX does not, I believe Erie County NY doesn't, maybe yall can name some other places. We have a spay/neuter program called HATS (Homebound Animal Transport Services) in which we take animals of the elderly and homebound to be spayed/neutered at no cost to them. We also do TNR work. But the money isn't there for us to do it on a massive scale. Spay/neuter itself is the one thing that does the most to reduce the occurence of these viruses (FIV and Felv). I agree completely. Kelley http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help with medical expenses for two very special kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pluto
prayers are on their way. dorlis Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all Pluto needs good thoughts and Prayers.We lost his mom Juno last month and now my Pooty Poots is not well.He is at the clinic but I fear for him.I know Dr. Jen will do all that she can for him but prayers can help too.Thanks so much Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Angel Buffy
Hi, I was wondering if I could have Angel Buffy added to the candle light service..She is Angel Snoopy's sister..They were all friends of my kitties. Bandy, Inky, Lil Rascal, Buster, Albert, and Alberta, and Striper. She was my heart puppy..She had been on heart meds for CHF for 15 months..I lost her Tuesday, March 24.. I hope all of you are doing good these days.. I miss talking to you all, but as you all know we don't miss the dreaded Felv. Thanks so much! Kerry and Angel Buffy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list
I believe it has to be from a roost and not normal bird droppings what are washed off...you may want to check though. Several of mine have come from a 40-50 year old pine thicket which, by its nature, has been a roost for starlings and other birds. Copper and Thomas came from that thicket when they were about 8 weeks old and it was a concern for respiratory issues. FYI: They are fine and I am blessed by their friendship. And, yes, you can still tell they are ferals. On Mar 24, 2009, at 11:44 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: bird droppings could cause that? that scares me as i feed the wild birds on my deck and that is where my babies love to lie in the sun and snooze. may have to change where i feed the birds and clean deck up with Clorox. dorlis Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: Yes. They told me that moisture or oxygen will deplete dry food of those vitamins. Another person took their cat in when I took Coco (we went over to Ames teaching school). Her cat could not walk at all and did not survive. It's a rare condition and can also be caused by toxins or the disease passed via bird droppings (I forget the name right now...toxoplasmosis, maybe). Anyway, it was frightening and I am so grateful to have my kitty. They had to take biopsies of her muscles and send them to Texas to be analyzed. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rosenfeldt, Diane Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list Wow, Laurie, I had never heard of that So I'm guessing that dry food should be kept, say, in its bag with the top rolled so there's no extra air? Wacky! Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list Coco lost weight, couldn't jump up, her tongue would come out of her mouth and her legs weren't working right. Not FeLV+but she was diagnosed with myonecrosis. A change in food (from dry to canned) reversed her issues. The vets tested for all the usual causes and she was negative so they assumed nutritional. I would dump all the dry (Wellness) into a tupperware container. Vets said that exposed the food to too much air which depleted the food of vitamin D and Selenium and caused muscle death. For what it's worth Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Ackerman Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:17 PM To: Felv talk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello- new to the list I appreciate everyones concern thoughts. Looking back at what I've written so far, I can see that I haven't been very clear about what was/is going on with Grrr. I've been a little emotional these last few days! I took him in monday morning because he had been having a very difficult time doing normal cat stuff- jumping, running, etc- saturday night sunday, and it was getting progressively worse as hours passed. I had consulted with my vet on Sunday about possibly taking him to emergency, but because he was not displaying any very dramatic symptoms of stroke, seizure, obvious distress or pain, we decided to save him the trip and bring him in first thing Monday morning. He had been losing weight, and it seemed likely that his weakness was a symptom of whatever was causing the weight loss- hence the blood tests that led to the leukemia diagnosis. The vet believes it likely that the weakness instability are a result of a spinal tumor caused by lymphosarcoma, and I believe that yesterday's dramatic neurological symptoms were simply a progression from what had been going on all weekend, exacerbated by the stressful hospitalization long car rides- he doesn't travel well either. Grrr doesn't do anything easily except look handsome growl. The cortisol shot was administered as an effort at pain management, to see if it helped him get around easier. Just got him home and he's looking OK- a bit better than yesterday, and he sure seems happy to be home. We have a very long term relationship with this doctor, and do trust him- obviously, mistakes can be made, but I am comfortable with the treatment Grrr has been given and the plans we have discussed for his future. I am, as has been suggested, throwing out the calender- my cat seems happy, if a bit awkward physically, and that makes me happy! Amy _ Windows LiveT Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing
Re: [Felvtalk] hello- new to the list.
Just be sure to pay them before that year...otherwise the interest rate is astronomical! Debbie (COL) The time is always right to do what is right - Martin Luther King Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:40:25 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org CC: fs...@roadrunner.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] hello- new to the list. reL finances and caring for kitties, has anyone else heard of Care Credit? i fuond out about it from my dentist and it can be used for glasses, dental work, vets and even plastic surgery. the vet collects the charges until they reach at least $300.00 and then sends charges to Care Credit. you have a year to pay it off with no interest. you only pay interest if you take more than i year to complete payment. it has helped me out with my babies because i like to get a complete blood profile and urinealysis (?) on each one so we have a base line to start from. also helps when i have to get shots for all 5 at same time. dorlis Sue Frank Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: Hi Amy, I am so sorry you are going through this. It is hard to want to care for a beloved kitty when they want no part of it. My sweet gentle Tucker used to go absolutely ballistic whenever I tried to give him a pill. Sometimes I think it is kinder to choose the least threatening or invasive ways to help a sick kitty. Some would much rather be gently let go in their own time with dignity then to have procedures forced upon them that might lengthen their lives but would make them extremely unhappy. Your best choice may be feeding him the highest quality food you can find. (I like Wellness Core canned food.) And making sure there is little or no stress in his life. Best wishes for as much quality time as possible with Grrr. You picked such a great name for a feisty cat! Sue Amy Ackerman swa...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks for the welcome kind words, Gary Laurie. My vet believes Grrr has lymphosarcoma, but for the time being the diagnostic tools recommended to locate the suspected spinal tumor are simply out of reach financially. Times are lean for everyone, I know; this was a very difficult day, deciding courses of treatment for this very cool, loved cat based on our credit lines. He's having a rough time getting around. Grrr is also, as you may be able to gather from his name, not a terribly good patient. That may be the understatement of the month. He is slightly anemic as well, but his... attitude doesn't make him a terribly good candidate for, say, daily pills, etc. He's getting a cortisol shot to see if it improves his mobility/comfort an injectable, long term antibiotic (I need to get the drug name) to counter the immune suppressive effects of the cortisol. He eats like a horse, so we're going to try some of the suggested dietary modifications as well. Any one with suggestions for minimally invasive treatments (minimally invasive by this cat's standards is, say, tossing a tasty tidbit gently from across the room, careful not to let it land too close), please share as I continue to dredge through the archives. My other two are keenly looking around for Grrr tonight- should be a fun car ride home tomorrow with all three, plus the mastiff going along to get her rabies vax. I'll check back in tomorrow- good night, all, and thanks again for the support! _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] hello- new to the list.
that is why i make sure to get it paid off long before the due date. but it is still better than paying 600.00 at one crack. i usually make payments of $100.00 per month and that does the trick. dorlis Debbie Harrison dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote: Just be sure to pay them before that year...otherwise the interest rate is astronomical! Debbie (COL) The time is always right to do what is right - Martin Luther King Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:40:25 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org CC: fs...@roadrunner.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] hello- new to the list. reL finances and caring for kitties, has anyone else heard of Care Credit? i fuond out about it from my dentist and it can be used for glasses, dental work, vets and even plastic surgery. the vet collects the charges until they reach at least $300.00 and then sends charges to Care Credit. you have a year to pay it off with no interest. you only pay interest if you take more than i year to complete payment. it has helped me out with my babies because i like to get a complete blood profile and urinealysis (?) on each one so we have a base line to start from. also helps when i have to get shots for all 5 at same time. dorlis Sue Frank Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: Hi Amy, I am so sorry you are going through this. It is hard to want to care for a beloved kitty when they want no part of it. My sweet gentle Tucker used to go absolutely ballistic whenever I tried to give him a pill. Sometimes I think it is kinder to choose the least threatening or invasive ways to help a sick kitty. Some would much rather be gently let go in their own time with dignity then to have procedures forced upon them that might lengthen their lives but would make them extremely unhappy. Your best choice may be feeding him the highest quality food you can find. (I like Wellness Core canned food.) And making sure there is little or no stress in his life. Best wishes for as much quality time as possible with Grrr. You picked such a great name for a feisty cat! Sue Amy Ackerman swa...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks for the welcome kind words, Gary Laurie. My vet believes Grrr has lymphosarcoma, but for the time being the diagnostic tools recommended to locate the suspected spinal tumor are simply out of reach financially. Times are lean for everyone, I know; this was a very difficult day, deciding courses of treatment for this very cool, loved cat based on our credit lines. He's having a rough time getting around. Grrr is also, as you may be able to gather from his name, not a terribly good patient. That may be the understatement of the month. He is slightly anemic as well, but his... attitude doesn't make him a terribly good candidate for, say, daily pills, etc. He's getting a cortisol shot to see if it improves his mobility/comfort an injectable, long term antibiotic (I need to get the drug name) to counter the immune suppressive effects of the cortisol. He eats like a horse, so we're going to try some of the suggested dietary modifications as well. Any one with suggestions for minimally invasive treatments (minimally invasive by this cat's standards is, say, tossing a tasty tidbit gently from across the room, careful not to let it land too close), please share as I continue to dredge through the archives. My other two are keenly looking around for Grrr tonight- should be a fun car ride home tomorrow with all three, plus the mastiff going along to get her rabies vax. I'll check back in tomorrow- good night, all, and thanks again for the support! _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] hello- new to the list.
Yes I have used care credit for my teeth when I had to have a permanent tooth made. It was a $4000.00 bill and using care Credit was great, I paid interest but paid it off early so it wasn't that bad, my insurance didn't cover the work so it would have had to come out of my pocket and the interest was cheaper this way. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Please add Bob to the bridge list
Bob was a wonderful little gray tabby FELV boy that I took in from a couple here who rescue cats. He was found at a truck stop on the highway, all alone, last November, and such a sweetie! But then he tested positive for FELV. The folks who brought him to me were just devastated, just loved him so much, as I did.They thought he was not quite a year old, and we were all hoping he'd make it longer. Bob was fine - eating heartily, playful - until March. He became lethargic and the vet said he was severely anemic. He got a blood transfusion, and was on prednisone, pettinic, etc. But just couldn't make it back from his sickness. He died the early morning of March 17, 2009, and with St Patrick's help went to the Rainbow Bridge where he was greeted by all our other sweet feline kitties. Sleep soft sweet Bob. Gentle thoughts to all of you who have lost little ones, it helps so much having others out there. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Angel Buffy
I'm so sorry Kerry - what a wonderful puppy and a wonderful name - Angel Buffy. Gloria On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Kerry Roach wrote: Hi, I was wondering if I could have Angel Buffy added to the candle light service..She is Angel Snoopy's sister..They were all friends of my kitties. Bandy, Inky, Lil Rascal, Buster, Albert, and Alberta, and Striper. She was my heart puppy..She had been on heart meds for CHF for 15 months..I lost her Tuesday, March 24.. I hope all of you are doing good these days.. I miss talking to you all, but as you all know we don't miss the dreaded Felv. Thanks so much! Kerry and Angel Buffy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Bob to the bridge list
Sweet Bridge vibes to Bob. I know he knows how much he was loved. Hugs. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Bob to the bridge list Bob was a wonderful little gray tabby FELV boy that I took in from a couple here who rescue cats. He was found at a truck stop on the highway, all alone, last November, and such a sweetie! But then he tested positive for FELV. The folks who brought him to me were just devastated, just loved him so much, as I did.They thought he was not quite a year old, and we were all hoping he'd make it longer. Bob was fine - eating heartily, playful - until March. He became lethargic and the vet said he was severely anemic. He got a blood transfusion, and was on prednisone, pettinic, etc. But just couldn't make it back from his sickness. He died the early morning of March 17, 2009, and with St Patrick's help went to the Rainbow Bridge where he was greeted by all our other sweet feline kitties. Sleep soft sweet Bob. Gentle thoughts to all of you who have lost little ones, it helps so much having others out there. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Bob to the bridge list
So sorry that you have lost sweet Bob, Gloria. He was lucky to have found you. May he rest in peace. Jane -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Bob to the bridge list Bob was a wonderful little gray tabby FELV boy that I took in from a couple here who rescue cats. He was found at a truck stop on the highway, all alone, last November, and such a sweetie! But then he tested positive for FELV. The folks who brought him to me were just devastated, just loved him so much, as I did.They thought he was not quite a year old, and we were all hoping he'd make it longer. Bob was fine - eating heartily, playful - until March. He became lethargic and the vet said he was severely anemic. He got a blood transfusion, and was on prednisone, pettinic, etc. But just couldn't make it back from his sickness. He died the early morning of March 17, 2009, and with St Patrick's help went to the Rainbow Bridge where he was greeted by all our other sweet feline kitties. Sleep soft sweet Bob. Gentle thoughts to all of you who have lost little ones, it helps so much having others out there. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Bob to the bridge list
I'm so sorry to hear about poor Bob. He sounds like a very sweet little guy who had a hard life until you had him. Gentle bridge vibe to him. God help us find a cure for this miserable disease! - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:43 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Bob to the bridge list Bob was a wonderful little gray tabby FELV boy that I took in from a couple here who rescue cats. He was found at a truck stop on the highway, all alone, last November, and such a sweetie! But then he tested positive for FELV. The folks who brought him to me were just devastated, just loved him so much, as I did.They thought he was not quite a year old, and we were all hoping he'd make it longer. Bob was fine - eating heartily, playful - until March. He became lethargic and the vet said he was severely anemic. He got a blood transfusion, and was on prednisone, pettinic, etc. But just couldn't make it back from his sickness. He died the early morning of March 17, 2009, and with St Patrick's help went to the Rainbow Bridge where he was greeted by all our other sweet feline kitties. Sleep soft sweet Bob. Gentle thoughts to all of you who have lost little ones, it helps so much having others out there. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Angel Buffy
My condolences to Kerry Gloria, I have posted both of your babies on the CLS service. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Angel Buffy
Kerry I am so sorry. Hugs, Sally On 3/25/09, Kerry Roach kjr2002ja...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I was wondering if I could have Angel Buffy added to the candle light service..She is Angel Snoopy's sister..They were all friends of my kitties. Bandy, Inky, Lil Rascal, Buster, Albert, and Alberta, and Striper. She was my heart puppy..She had been on heart meds for CHF for 15 months..I lost her Tuesday, March 24.. I hope all of you are doing good these days.. I miss talking to you all, but as you all know we don't miss the dreaded Felv. Thanks so much! Kerry and Angel Buffy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] hello- new to the list.
Not all vets give you a year to pay over $300, most of ours do not as it costs them extra. We had a $700 bill on one cat and got 3 months to pay and of course weren't able to. 2009/3/25 Debbie Harrison dlh1...@hotmail.com Just be sure to pay them before that year...otherwise the interest rate is astronomical! Debbie (COL) The time is always right to do what is right - Martin Luther King Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:40:25 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org CC: fs...@roadrunner.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] hello- new to the list. reL finances and caring for kitties, has anyone else heard of Care Credit? i fuond out about it from my dentist and it can be used for glasses, dental work, vets and even plastic surgery. the vet collects the charges until they reach at least $300.00 and then sends charges to Care Credit. you have a year to pay it off with no interest. you only pay interest if you take more than i year to complete payment. it has helped me out with my babies because i like to get a complete blood profile and urinealysis (?) on each one so we have a base line to start from. also helps when i have to get shots for all 5 at same time. dorlis Sue Frank Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: Hi Amy, I am so sorry you are going through this. It is hard to want to care for a beloved kitty when they want no part of it. My sweet gentle Tucker used to go absolutely ballistic whenever I tried to give him a pill. Sometimes I think it is kinder to choose the least threatening or invasive ways to help a sick kitty. Some would much rather be gently let go in their own time with dignity then to have procedures forced upon them that might lengthen their lives but would make them extremely unhappy. Your best choice may be feeding him the highest quality food you can find. (I like Wellness Core canned food.) And making sure there is little or no stress in his life. Best wishes for as much quality time as possible with Grrr. You picked such a great name for a feisty cat! Sue Amy Ackerman swa...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks for the welcome kind words, Gary Laurie. My vet believes Grrr has lymphosarcoma, but for the time being the diagnostic tools recommended to locate the suspected spinal tumor are simply out of reach financially. Times are lean for everyone, I know; this was a very difficult day, deciding courses of treatment for this very cool, loved cat based on our credit lines. He's having a rough time getting around. Grrr is also, as you may be able to gather from his name, not a terribly good patient. That may be the understatement of the month. He is slightly anemic as well, but his... attitude doesn't make him a terribly good candidate for, say, daily pills, etc. He's getting a cortisol shot to see if it improves his mobility/comfort an injectable, long term antibiotic (I need to get the drug name) to counter the immune suppressive effects of the cortisol. He eats like a horse, so we're going to try some of the suggested dietary modifications as well. Any one with suggestions for minimally invasive treatments (minimally invasive by this cat's standards is, say, tossing a tasty tidbit gently from across the room, careful not to let it land too close), please share as I continue to dredge through the archives. My other two are keenly looking around for Grrr tonight- should be a fun car ride home tomorrow with all three, plus the mastiff going along to get her rabies vax. I'll check back in tomorrow- good night, all, and thanks again for the support! _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Bob to the bridge list
so sorry to hear about your Bob. i have a Bob too. so far he is doing well. i love him so much and know how you must feel loosing yy. dorlis Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Bob was a wonderful little gray tabby FELV boy that I took in from a couple here who rescue cats. He was found at a truck stop on the highway, all alone, last November, and such a sweetie! But then he tested positive for FELV. The folks who brought him to me were just devastated, just loved him so much, as I did.They thought he was not quite a year old, and we were all hoping he'd make it longer. Bob was fine - eating heartily, playful - until March. He became lethargic and the vet said he was severely anemic. He got a blood transfusion, and was on prednisone, pettinic, etc. But just couldn't make it back from his sickness. He died the early morning of March 17, 2009, and with St Patrick's help went to the Rainbow Bridge where he was greeted by all our other sweet feline kitties. Sleep soft sweet Bob. Gentle thoughts to all of you who have lost little ones, it helps so much having others out there. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
