Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

2009-11-24 Thread Amy

Hi Gary,

Wolfie hasn't had any transfusions yet.  We've done ultrasounds, x-rays, lots 
of panels of testing, etc.  We have discussed transfusions with the internal 
med at Cornell but I won't put him through repeated ones just to buy him a 
little more time.  I totally understand why other people do it and I would do 
it in a crisis until we could try other stuff if needed.

Anyways, I did hear that I'd have to wean off the pred if trying LTCI and 
that's why I was asking if anybody has seen this stuff turn around a cat like 
this.  I've talked to numerous vets and they all agree they wouldn't risk 
taking a stable cat off the pred and having him crash just to try the LTCI.  
I'd feel awful if I made things worse.  I'm torn because I'm willing to do 
anything to help him but at $90 a dose, I'm trying to weigh the pros and cons.

Amy

 I have had a number of cats that were FeLV positive and had
 anemia.  I have
 tried Epogen and if it did anything at all, it wasn't
 noticeable.  It is too
 bad you live in such an expensive area, I'll bet those
 treatments Wolfie has
 had would be half that here in Arkansas.  You are
 fortunate that Wolfie does
 so well with transfusions, many times they don't last very
 long and don't
 raise the HCT all that much.  I also tried
 Immunoregulin on a couple.  It
 appeared there was a very short term improvement and then
 they went
 downhill.  That doesn't mean it wouldn't work for
 you.  I believe the
 protocol says if there isn't an improvement in a very short
 time after
 starting treatment, you know it isn't going to work.
 
 Now is definitely the time to try something while his HCT
 is still at a
 reasonable level.  I haven't tried the LTCI, mostly
 because I can't afford
 it.  I recently took in two kittens that tested
 positive for FeLV, both were
 thin and anemic.  I tried some Acemannan on them and
 they are both doing
 great now.  It is much less expensive than LTCI, but I
 could not guarantee
 it would help in any particular situation.  I wish I
 had the chance to try
 it on a couple of the adult FeLV cats I have lost to
 anemia.
 
 Personally, I don't think any of the available supplements
 that people
 (including myself) give these babies to build their immune
 systems, will
 reverse non-regenerative anemia.  Something a bit more
 proactive is needed.
 If you decide to try LTCI or Acemannan, I believe you will
 have to stop the
 pred. before starting either of those.
 
 Gary
 
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 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Amy
 Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:02 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing
 
 I've posted before about my cat Wolfie.  He's 7 years
 old and has been
 losing weight for the past 4 years.  His HCT is also
 down (currently 25).
 We've treated for hemobart and retested and he's now
 negative (was positive
 before).  He has started gaining weight and has put on
 a pound but I'm sure
 the leukemia is in his bone marrow.  He's been tested
 and has
 non-regenerative anemia.  He's been stable for a few
 months but his WBC,
 RBC, and platelet counts are all gradually declining. 
 I was expecting him
 to crash when I got the confirmation of non-regenerative
 anemia but he's
 holding his own.  I was told he's probably making red
 blood cells in his
 liver or spleen, just no longer in the bone marrow.  
 
 Has anybody ever had luck with LTCI or any of the other
 things mentioned
 once it has gotten to this point?  I've done all sorts
 of testing for
 digestive issues, lymphoma, IBD, etc.  We have made a
 couple trips to
 Cornell and decided to just keep him on pred and monitor
 trends for now.  I
 keep hoping for some miracle but I know the prognosis is
 not good.
 
 Thanks
 Amy  
 
 
       
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food

2009-11-24 Thread Lorrie
Thanks for the info. Tracey...
Fortunately I already have a heavy duty grinder. 

Lorrie 

On 11-19, Tracey Shrout wrote: Lorrie, Yes, I think raw is the best
 also.  If you go to those websites, they give you step-by-step
 instructions on how to make it. You have to be careful to follow
 the recommended proportions.  It does take a little time to
 convince the cats that this is what they should be eating.  One of
 mine, a 12 year old dry food 'addict' took almost 2 months to
 completely change to this diet.  The others were much easier to
 convince.  I just mixed it with a good canned food, progressively
 adding more raw.  They will eventually eat it by itself and love
 it, you just have to be determined.  Occasionally, I do give some
 canned food for variety, or when I run out of the raw.  On those
 websites, they also explain how to grind it -- you will have to buy
 a grinder, and yes, you should use real bones.  Its daunting at
 first, but gets easier everytime you make it.
 
 Tracey
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten

2009-11-24 Thread Gloria B. Lane
I do think that part of the issue with this fortunate situation, is  
that some of us have seen vets call anything they can't explain, or  
anything with a high corona titer, FIP, and it's frustrating, for lack  
of a better word.  I had a lovely healthy Persian kitten that died  
AFTER spay surgery, a few years ago, and the vet said must have been  
FIP.   I think the vet and his assistant probably just weren't careful  
with her airway after surgery, after they put her back in the cage.


Gloria


On Nov 23, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but did want to make  
one point

-- just in case it hasn't been addressed previously (although with the
knowledge base here, I can't imagine it hasn't). So apologies if  
this is a
dead horse but: It's been drummed into me that the presence of  
coronavirus
alone is not an indicator for FIP since many if not most cats have  
it in

their systems. This has been such a cause of panic even among vets who
should know better and has resulted in so many needless deaths that I
thought it bore repeating. What causes the coronavirus to mutate  
into FIP is
a combination of heredity, circumstance, and possibly God having a  
sh-tty

day and wanting to punish some innocents.

All the best vibes to the kitten in question! Hang in there, darlin'.

Diane R.

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten

I find the skepticism and questioning surrounding the diagnosis and
treatment of FIP interesting.  I have to say, however, that every  
laboratory
test, whether it be in human or veterinary medicine, is subject to  
failure;
either giving false positives or false negatives.  This is a far  
more common
problem than most people may understand.  Nothing is 100% in any  
test, ever.
The best and really only currently known way to deal with this is by  
looking

at the clinical presentation, history and lab work together.

In this case, the presence of coronavirus in a related kitten, the  
age of

the kitten, the clinical symptoms of fever, anemia and central nervous
system impairment, I would say, that you are very very very likely  
looking
at FIP or at least the entity in how it is understood.  As far as  
diagnosing
it by autopsy, it can also be done with a tissue biopsy.  You are  
looking
for pyogenicgranulomas,  a histologic (microscopic) diagnosis.  FIP  
is an
entity that is not entirely understood therefore diagnosiing it  
accurately
is difficult.  It is simply a constellation of symptoms and lab  
work.  That

is precisely what you are looking at in this situation.

What I am saying is that there is a cyclical line of reasoning  
here.  FIP
cannot be easily diagnosed and all are in agreement with that, so  
dismissing
that this is FIP on the grounds that it's not been definitively  
diagnosed is
nonsensical.  Given the fact that it fulfills most of the criteria  
for FIP

we have to go with the most likely scenario that it is.  It fits a non
effusive form of FIP almost perfectly.

Given that, I am excited about the possibility of a treatment.   
Whatever
this cat had, whatever you believe was the diagnosis (and by the way  
it is
obvious that extensive tests, looking to identify alternate causes,  
were
done).  Whether you call FIP a wastebasket diagnosis, this cat  
responded and
survived.  The other cat, with identical symptoms, did not receive  
this full
treatment and died.  There is some success here, whatever your  
belief on the

diagnosis is.

I understand skepticism but there something happened here, even with  
don't

fully understand what.  Is it not worth, therefore, investigating?

Well, that's just my opinion.

Jenny


On 11/23/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:


corona virus titres do NOT prove FIP. cats can have high FeCoV titres
and not progress to FIP, and cats who have progressed to FIP can have
low titres because their exposure was so long before that the virus
itself is out of their systems, although the FIP mutation is not.

FIP is the new favorite diagnosis for, we haven't a clue.

like susan, i would love for there to be an answer for FIP--it's much
worse than FeLV, because there's no way to predict who will get it,  
no
way to prevent it, and no way to treat it. but calling everything  
FIP,

as has become the habit over the past three years or so, just makes
actual diagnosis and learning more muddier.

MC

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Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue
(www.purebredcats.org
)
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Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

2009-11-24 Thread gary
No transfusions, hmmm, makes me wonder which two emails my mind was
combining.  I had heard the LTCI was somewhere between $60 and $100 a shot
and I think an initial series is around 10 shots.  There is a lady on the
FIP list who has been treating 15 cats, wish I had that kind of money.

I was sure you'd have to stop the pred to use LTCI, I'm not 100% sure for
Acemannan as I don't have the package insert any more, but I think you
might.  Acemannan comes in a box of 4 10mg vials (actually 8, 4 powder and 4
sterile water for mixing) and doses at 1 mg per KG once a week for 6 weeks.
I was told a box would be about $175, my vet is giving me mine for $125 (I
think that might be his cost) to try something they haven't tried before.  I
am fortunate that my vets are pretty much willing to try anything I bring
them and are willing to learn about new or little known treatments or tests.

Acemannan is made by VPL (Veterinary Products Laboratories) and their site
is www.vpl.com if you check the tech support page you will see the contact
info for Dr, Greg Biehle who is the technical assistance person for
Acemannan Immunostimulant.  He is a very nice guy who is willing to speak
with anyone (not just vets) who is seriously interested in trying Acemannan.
If he isn't at the clinic when you call or is busy, he will call you back.

I can understand your reluctance to change things now while Wolfie is
stable, but I am sure you are aware that at some point his condition will
start to go downhill and a change will be needed.  I hope he is able to
maintain for a long time.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:49 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing


Hi Gary,

Wolfie hasn't had any transfusions yet.  We've done ultrasounds, x-rays,
lots of panels of testing, etc.  We have discussed transfusions with the
internal med at Cornell but I won't put him through repeated ones just to
buy him a little more time.  I totally understand why other people do it and
I would do it in a crisis until we could try other stuff if needed.

Anyways, I did hear that I'd have to wean off the pred if trying LTCI and
that's why I was asking if anybody has seen this stuff turn around a cat
like this.  I've talked to numerous vets and they all agree they wouldn't
risk taking a stable cat off the pred and having him crash just to try the
LTCI.  I'd feel awful if I made things worse.  I'm torn because I'm willing
to do anything to help him but at $90 a dose, I'm trying to weigh the pros
and cons.

Amy

 I have had a number of cats that were FeLV positive and had
 anemia.  I have
 tried Epogen and if it did anything at all, it wasn't
 noticeable.  It is too
 bad you live in such an expensive area, I'll bet those
 treatments Wolfie has
 had would be half that here in Arkansas.  You are
 fortunate that Wolfie does
 so well with transfusions, many times they don't last very
 long and don't
 raise the HCT all that much.  I also tried
 Immunoregulin on a couple.  It
 appeared there was a very short term improvement and then
 they went
 downhill.  That doesn't mean it wouldn't work for
 you.  I believe the
 protocol says if there isn't an improvement in a very short
 time after
 starting treatment, you know it isn't going to work.
 
 Now is definitely the time to try something while his HCT
 is still at a
 reasonable level.  I haven't tried the LTCI, mostly
 because I can't afford
 it.  I recently took in two kittens that tested
 positive for FeLV, both were
 thin and anemic.  I tried some Acemannan on them and
 they are both doing
 great now.  It is much less expensive than LTCI, but I
 could not guarantee
 it would help in any particular situation.  I wish I
 had the chance to try
 it on a couple of the adult FeLV cats I have lost to
 anemia.
 
 Personally, I don't think any of the available supplements
 that people
 (including myself) give these babies to build their immune
 systems, will
 reverse non-regenerative anemia.  Something a bit more
 proactive is needed.
 If you decide to try LTCI or Acemannan, I believe you will
 have to stop the
 pred. before starting either of those.
 
 Gary


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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon And Other Medicine Questions

2009-11-24 Thread Ashley Vanover

Hi Crystal,

I just started my cat on Interferon a few weeks ago. He is in the last  
stages of FeLV (it's in his bone marrow and he has non regenerative  
anemia), and I think I've seen some improvements in him. Nothing  
dramatic, but if it can help a cat that was given less than 3 weeks to  
live, it might very well help your kitten.


My vet ordered mine from Road Runner pharmacy in Arizona. I think it  
was around $37 for what I *think* was 30ml (I can check tonight when I  
get home). The $37 included shipping (it was overnighted and packed in  
ice) and the pharmacy even threw in some cat toys, which I thought was  
very sweet.


My program for Kong is 1ml per day for seven days, and then off seven  
days. So the bottle, while not exactly cheap, will last for a while.


Good luck,
Ashley

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[Felvtalk] Introducing Cliff

2009-11-24 Thread Renée Phipps


Hi everyone,

My name is Renee and I am an Aussie who has recently married a US citizen and 
relocated to Iowa. I have had cats my entire life and the only time I cried 
leaving Oz was saying goodbye to my little brother cat Milo who is 14 years 
old and lives with my parents. So obviously one of the first things I did when 
arriving here in the US was adopt 2 kittens from the local animal shelter, 
Cliff (at the time approx 8 weeks) and his cage mate at the shelter, Sasha 
(approx 10 weeks).

Both seemed to be in good health when we took them home from the shelter, 
however there had been a kitty cold going around and Cliff started to show 
symptoms a few days after arriving home - violent sneezes, coughing, flying 
snot etc. He had one especially bad night where the poor little thing could 
barely breath and was only happy when he was being held in my arms. I stayed up 
all night with him afraid that he wouldn't make it through the 
nightthe next morning (it was a Sunday) I took him to an emergency 
vet clinic at the local vet med school and he was diagnosed as having an upper 
respiratory infection and also feline herpes virus. He spent the night at the 
vet's on a drip to help re-hydrate him and came home the next day on a course 
of antibiotics (Clavamox) and it took him a few weeks to finally kick off all 
the sneezing and coughing. (Meanwhile his sister Sasha just suffered from a 
few sneezes and that was all.possibly she fought it off since she was a 
little bit older then Cliff).

A few weeks later I took both kitties back to the vet to get their 2nd lot of 
shots and to get tested for FELV and FIV and Cliffy's ELISA test came back as 
positive for FELV :-(  Sasha however was thankfully negative..the 
vet and vet students were s lovely and so upset as well considering they 
had basically fallen in love with these 2 extremely social kittens over the 
past hour. There was no way we were going to do anything other than give Cliff 
the best life possible so for the next month we kept the kittens in separate 
living areas (very difficult in a small 2 bedroom apartment!) and had Sasha 
retested for FELV and she was still negative so we the vet's started her on her 
FELV vaccinations...it was sooo sad keeping them apart for so long, 
they are truly BFF's and missed each other alot, they would sit on either side 
of our bedroom door and sniff and cry for each other :-(

We haven't started Cliffy on any special med's as we really can't afford it 
right now but to help keep his immune system boosted he gets Vetri-Science 
Lysine tablets twice daily, as well as PetGuard Yeast  Garlic Powder mixed 
into his breakfast each morning. To keep his mouth healthy he gets a CET dental 
treat each day and I also try to clean his teeth at least once a week. (Sasha 
gets all this as well, I figure I may as well keep her as healthy as possible 
as well). He seemed to be absolutely thriving..every vet visit he is 
putting on weight (he is currently 6 months and about 5.5 pounds), he is so 
playful and loving, LOVES his food so much he tends to get annoying always 
screaming for food!

A few weeks ago we took the kitties in to get 
spayed/neutered...unfortunately we had to put it off for a week as the 
vet's could hear a slight infection in Cliff's lungs and given his health 
history wanted to have it cleared up before putting him through surgery. During 
this time he also developed several viral plaques on his upper and lower lips 
apparently due to his herpes virus, so he was sent home on Clavamox again. He 
did begin to develop diarrhea so the vet suggest lowering his dose from 1ml 
twice daily to 0.5 ml, which did seem to help a little.

We took the kitties back in a week later to get fixed and Cliff recovered 
brilliantly...didn't seem to have any problems at all! However in the last 
few days he has been suffering from extremly watery stool and last night I 
watched him do his business twice and both times it had a significant amount of 
red blood in it :-( Is this something that is directly related to his FELV 
status or something else like parasited? He is acting normally in every other 
way, is never off his food and I have been adding water to his food to make 
sure his water intake is ok due to the water loss from the diarrhea. 

The only reason I am reluctant to take him straight in to the vet is that the 
last time we brought him home from the vet he was so stressed out and scared he 
wet himself while in his pet taxi and was generally just freaking out, it was 
so sad :-( I don't want to upset my little man or stress him out but then I 
don't want to leave this too long and risk his health either...is this 
something I should be really concerned about

Thanks for listening!
Renee, Cliff  Sasha













  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Cliff

2009-11-24 Thread Belinda Sauro
   Please do not give garlic or onions to kitties, it can cause Heinz 
body anemia and it is deadly:


http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/ask-the-expert/ask-the-expert-pet-nutrition/how-bad-is-garlic-for-cats.html

http://cats.about.com/cs/catfood/a/humanfood.htm

http://www.care2.com/greenliving/cats-garlic-and-onions.html#

Some think a tiny amount of garlic is OK, but why take a chance, better 
safe than sorry as far as I am concerned.


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http://bemikitties.com

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Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Cliff

2009-11-24 Thread dlgegg
Renee, for the trip to the vet, try Feliway spray.  use it in carrier and car.  
most vets have it or a petstore.  most of the time it works for me.  And then, 
there is always the one who says No all the way to the vet.  You could also use 
Rescue Remedy, an herbal product for same thing.  Most important for his 
health, give him lots of love, good food and keep his stress levels down as 
much as possible.  It is good that you have started him on Lysine, that will 
boost his immune system.  
Even tho he tested positive for felv, don't give up on him.


 Renée Phipps littlephi...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 My name is Renee and I am an Aussie who has recently married a US citizen and 
 relocated to Iowa. I have had cats my entire life and the only time I cried 
 leaving Oz was saying goodbye to my little brother cat Milo who is 14 years 
 old and lives with my parents. So obviously one of the first things I did 
 when arriving here in the US was adopt 2 kittens from the local animal 
 shelter, Cliff (at the time approx 8 weeks) and his cage mate at the shelter, 
 Sasha (approx 10 weeks).
 
 Both seemed to be in good health when we took them home from the shelter, 
 however there had been a kitty cold going around and Cliff started to show 
 symptoms a few days after arriving home - violent sneezes, coughing, flying 
 snot etc. He had one especially bad night where the poor little thing could 
 barely breath and was only happy when he was being held in my arms. I stayed 
 up all night with him afraid that he wouldn't make it through the 
 nightthe next morning (it was a Sunday) I took him to an 
 emergency vet clinic at the local vet med school and he was diagnosed as 
 having an upper respiratory infection and also feline herpes virus. He spent 
 the night at the vet's on a drip to help re-hydrate him and came home the 
 next day on a course of antibiotics (Clavamox) and it took him a few weeks to 
 finally kick off all the sneezing and coughing. (Meanwhile his sister Sasha 
 just suffered from a few sneezes and that was all.possibly she fought 
 it off since she was a little bit older then Cliff).
 
 A few weeks later I took both kitties back to the vet to get their 2nd lot of 
 shots and to get tested for FELV and FIV and Cliffy's ELISA test came back as 
 positive for FELV :-(  Sasha however was thankfully negative..the 
 vet and vet students were s lovely and so upset as well considering they 
 had basically fallen in love with these 2 extremely social kittens over the 
 past hour. There was no way we were going to do anything other than give 
 Cliff the best life possible so for the next month we kept the kittens in 
 separate living areas (very difficult in a small 2 bedroom apartment!) and 
 had Sasha retested for FELV and she was still negative so we the vet's 
 started her on her FELV vaccinations...it was sooo sad keeping 
 them apart for so long, they are truly BFF's and missed each other alot, they 
 would sit on either side of our bedroom door and sniff and cry for each other 
 :-(
 
 We haven't started Cliffy on any special med's as we really can't afford it 
 right now but to help keep his immune system boosted he gets Vetri-Science 
 Lysine tablets twice daily, as well as PetGuard Yeast  Garlic Powder mixed 
 into his breakfast each morning. To keep his mouth healthy he gets a CET 
 dental treat each day and I also try to clean his teeth at least once a week. 
 (Sasha gets all this as well, I figure I may as well keep her as healthy as 
 possible as well). He seemed to be absolutely thriving..every vet visit 
 he is putting on weight (he is currently 6 months and about 5.5 pounds), he 
 is so playful and loving, LOVES his food so much he tends to get annoying 
 always screaming for food!
 
 A few weeks ago we took the kitties in to get 
 spayed/neutered...unfortunately we had to put it off for a week as the 
 vet's could hear a slight infection in Cliff's lungs and given his health 
 history wanted to have it cleared up before putting him through surgery. 
 During this time he also developed several viral plaques on his upper and 
 lower lips apparently due to his herpes virus, so he was sent home on 
 Clavamox again. He did begin to develop diarrhea so the vet suggest lowering 
 his dose from 1ml twice daily to 0.5 ml, which did seem to help a little.
 
 We took the kitties back in a week later to get fixed and Cliff recovered 
 brilliantly...didn't seem to have any problems at all! However in the 
 last few days he has been suffering from extremly watery stool and last night 
 I watched him do his business twice and both times it had a significant 
 amount of red blood in it :-( Is this something that is directly related to 
 his FELV status or something else like parasited? He is acting normally in 
 every other way, is never off his food and I have been adding water to his 
 food to make sure his water intake 

[Felvtalk] scratchy meow

2009-11-24 Thread Tracy McLendon
Hello!  I am new here!  I have a 1 1/2 year old blind FLV cat.  Two
days ago, she started to have an odd scratchy sounding meow.  She also
went into heat about the same time.  She is eating and playing
normally.  Her meow just suddenly changed and sounds raspy, almost
like a parrot.

This is my first experience with a FLV cat.  She is not on any type of
vitamins, she is just like all the other cats, until she started with
this weird meow.  When she went in originally for her eye enucleation,
the vet just said she would be more susceptible to infections and that
she would not live long.

Can someone help me?  Any other signs I should look for?  She seems
normal otherwise but I am such a hyphochondriac for myself and my
animals!  I just want to know if anyone else has experienced meow
changes

Thanks in advance!

-- 
Tracy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon And Other Medicine Questions

2009-11-24 Thread mitchell
I know that interferon is not an approved treatment for FeLV cats.  There is
an approved treatment in the US, it is LTCI.  You can get more information
about it on the company's website www.imulan.com.  Hope this information is
helpful.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Crystal Proper
crystal_pro...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Hi everyone.  My vet and I have been talking about putting my asymptomatic
 FeLV + kitten, Nibbler, on Interferon.  However, she said the only kind she
 can get information on is the newer formula and it costs about $50 per
 month.  Also, since its so new she doesn't know how well it works.  Does
 anyone know where to get it cheaper and/or a similar product that you
 recommend?

 Thank you-  Crystal




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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget - new positive kitten - questions about treatment

2009-11-24 Thread mitchell
I'm not sure which posting you are referring too, but I know that the only
approved treatment for FeLV is LTCI.  You can find alot of information about
it at www.imulan.com

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:50 AM, LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote:

 My Bridget - about 7 months old - has tested positive for FeLV. Someone a
 while back had mentioned a treatment she'd been using on a litter of
 positive kittens with good results. My vet, bless him, is willing to try new
 treatments - he sees a lot of FeLV in his practice - so I'd love to know
 what this is and where we can get it.
 Bridget's brother, Chutney, passed away suddenly after Halloween and he'd
 tested negative just 6 weeks previously.
 Poor Bridget will be joining the tough positive crowd (all asymptomatic) in
 my garage (I keep tortoises in it so it's heated and very comfortable):
  Sunbeam, Baby Girl, Celery and Majestic. Plus she'll meet a couple of 50
 pound tortoises!
 Any help would be most appreciated!
 thanks!
 Laura and Bridget
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Re: [Felvtalk] scratchy meow

2009-11-24 Thread Barb Moermond
sounds like heat to me - Lilly's voice was different that week - oy, and what a 
week, poor Smoky! They're calling for male company and it's a different type of 
call and voice.
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From: Tracy McLendon tracymclen...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 3:36:55 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] scratchy meow

Hello!  I am new here!  I have a 1 1/2 year old blind FLV cat.  Two
days ago, she started to have an odd scratchy sounding meow.  She also
went into heat about the same time.  She is eating and playing
normally.  Her meow just suddenly changed and sounds raspy, almost
like a parrot.

This is my first experience with a FLV cat.  She is not on any type of
vitamins, she is just like all the other cats, until she started with
this weird meow.  When she went in originally for her eye enucleation,
the vet just said she would be more susceptible to infections and that
she would not live long.

Can someone help me?  Any other signs I should look for?  She seems
normal otherwise but I am such a hyphochondriac for myself and my
animals!  I just want to know if anyone else has experienced meow
changes

Thanks in advance!

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Re: [Felvtalk] scratchy meow

2009-11-24 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Hi, Tracy --

My first thought is that the raspy meow is related to the heat rather than
anything else, they get very throaty and LOUD when they're trying to attract
males! 

I am worried about your vet, who apparently has not had a lot of experience
with FeLV. There are cats on this list that have lived for many years with
FeLV (and of course many who have died pitifully young as well). If your cat
(what's her name?) is otherwise healthy and is not showing any signs of
lymphoma or the other things that can really bring an FeLV kitty down, your
vet had no right to say that. I would suggest calling around in your area
and finding a vet who is more knowledgeable about the current thinking on
FeLV. I guess it's a good thing your vet didn't suggest putting her to sleep
right then, but he/she should also have offered some advice on diet and the
like. Also, please tell us how the diagnosis was reached -- just the ELISA
test, just the IFA, or both, and when were they done?

You will be getting lots of good advice from the people on this list.  Off
the top of my head, a couple big things are to feed the cat the best-quality
food you can, and try to keep her as stress-free as possible, since stress
can undermine kitties' immune systems just like humans. Also, is there a
reason she's not spayed? Sometimes it's contra-indicated in FeLV or FIV
kitties for certain health reasons, but generally it's way better for them
to be spayed. Heat in and of itself is a stressful thing, and much more
painful for cats than its human counterpart is for us. Hence the yowling.

Thanks for taking on this little girl and her challenges. Here's hoping she
stays symptom-free for a long time.

Diane R.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy McLendon
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] scratchy meow

Hello!  I am new here!  I have a 1 1/2 year old blind FLV cat.  Two days
ago, she started to have an odd scratchy sounding meow.  She also went into
heat about the same time.  She is eating and playing normally.  Her meow
just suddenly changed and sounds raspy, almost like a parrot.

This is my first experience with a FLV cat.  She is not on any type of
vitamins, she is just like all the other cats, until she started with this
weird meow.  When she went in originally for her eye enucleation, the vet
just said she would be more susceptible to infections and that she would not
live long.

Can someone help me?  Any other signs I should look for?  She seems normal
otherwise but I am such a hyphochondriac for myself and my animals!  I just
want to know if anyone else has experienced meow changes

Thanks in advance!

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Re: [Felvtalk] scratchy meow

2009-11-24 Thread Sharyl
Tracy, not sure but the weird meow could be caused by her going into heat.  Any 
reason why you have not had her spayed?  I've had all my FeLV+ kitties 
spayed/neutered.  Just makes sense since any off spring would almost surely be 
FeLV+.  I wouldn't have her spayed while in the heat cycle but definitely as 
soon as it is over.
Sharyl

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Tracy McLendon tracymclen...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Tracy McLendon tracymclen...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] scratchy meow
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 4:36 PM
 Hello!  I am new here!  I
 have a 1 1/2 year old blind FLV cat.  Two
 days ago, she started to have an odd scratchy sounding
 meow.  She also
 went into heat about the same time.  She is eating and
 playing
 normally.  Her meow just suddenly changed and sounds
 raspy, almost
 like a parrot.
 
 This is my first experience with a FLV cat.  She is
 not on any type of
 vitamins, she is just like all the other cats, until she
 started with
 this weird meow.  When she went in originally for her
 eye enucleation,
 the vet just said she would be more susceptible to
 infections and that
 she would not live long.
 
 Can someone help me?  Any other signs I should look
 for?  She seems
 normal otherwise but I am such a hyphochondriac for myself
 and my
 animals!  I just want to know if anyone else has
 experienced meow
 changes
 
 Thanks in advance!
 
 -- 
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Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

2009-11-24 Thread Amy
Hi Belinda,

I definitely considered Epogen but have decided against it for now.  Wolfie 
spent several months on Nutrived with no change in his HCT.  I was hoping that 
might do the trick :(

Thanks
Amy

 Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 1:58 AM
    Bailey was on
 epogen with his non regenerative anemia and it did bring his
 HCT back to normal, my Fred currently is on epogen, he is
 not positive but has non regenerative anemia because of CRF
 (chronic renal failure), his HCt is slowly coming back
 up.  I prefer Nutrived to Pet Tinic because it has
 folic acid in it, vit b, iron and folic acid are needed to
 build new blood cells.  As far as I know Pet Tinic
 doesn't have folic acid.  Bailey was positive.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

2009-11-24 Thread Amy
Hi Lance,

Thanks for all the info.  I'm familiar with LTCI but not as much with some of 
the others you mention.  I definitely plan to ask the internal med at Cornell 
to look into these.  We are definitely considering LTCI but the pred is the 
sticky part.  Neither one of us want to take him off of the pred for something 
that has no research backing up that it works.  She read all the research and 
had several others review it.  They all agreed the science sounds reasonable 
but there are just so many problems with the paper.  I have yet to read it 
myself but plan to.  That is probably the one option I'm leaning towards.  

I also heard Neupogen mentioned somewhere and plan to ask her about that one.

Amy

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 11:08 PM
 Hi Amy,
 
 I'm sorry to hear about Wolfie. I don't have most of my
 email handy, so
 I can't look back at what you've written. Have you tried
 Transfer
 Factor?
 What about Liquid DMG? These are affordable supplements,
 and they *seem*
 to have helped in the case of my FeLV+ girl, Ember. DMG
 especially 
 *seems* to have little possibility of any negative
 consequences. When
 I've seen wbc issues in Ember, I've *seemingly* reversed
 some losses
 with these supplements. Please note how I use the word
 *seem*. 
 
 Neupogen might be an option. It's something I'm keeping in
 mind, 
 but I don't know much about it, other than it helps with
 wbc generation. 
 I believe some folks have used ImmunoRegulin in similar
 situations to
 yours 
 and had good results. Maybe the archives will shed some
 light on that. 
 And I could be wrong, but I seem to remember Epogen helping
 in non-regen 
 anemia, though that makes absolutely no sense. Again, the
 archives will
 hopefully help.
 
 LTCI might help with wbc generation. I'm seeing lots of
 mention of it
 on the list, but I'm very leery of it. We FeLV+ caregivers
 are so eager
 for anything that might help, but the marketing Immulan has
 engaged in
 has been questionable. Of course, that doesn't mean that it
 doesn't
 help,
 but the company haven't done enough proper tests to provide
 real
 reassurance
 that their product works. It's good that we're getting
 anecdotal
 evidence
 on the list, but that only goes so far. 
 
 Finally, I wonder if Pet Tinic might not help the rbc that
 Wolfie is
 able
 to produce. It's really just nutrients and nothing terribly
 unusual...
 mainly iron, I think. 
 
 Obviously, when it comes to any of these options, please
 consult your
 vet.
 
 My hopes and prayers for Wolfie's health, and for your
 ability to find
 something that might help his blood counts.
 
 Lance
 
 On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:01 -0800, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  I've posted before about my cat Wolfie.  He's 7
 years old and has been
  losing weight for the past 4 years.  His HCT is
 also down (currently 25).
   We've treated for hemobart and retested and he's
 now negative (was
  positive before).  He has started gaining weight
 and has put on a pound
  but I'm sure the leukemia is in his bone marrow. 
 He's been tested and
  has non-regenerative anemia.  He's been stable
 for a few months but his
  WBC, RBC, and platelet counts are all gradually
 declining.  I was
  expecting him to crash when I got the confirmation of
 non-regenerative
  anemia but he's holding his own.  I was told he's
 probably making red
  blood cells in his liver or spleen, just no longer in
 the bone marrow.  
  
  Has anybody ever had luck with LTCI or any of the
 other things mentioned
  once it has gotten to this point?  I've done all
 sorts of testing for
  digestive issues, lymphoma, IBD, etc.  We have
 made a couple trips to
  Cornell and decided to just keep him on pred and
 monitor trends for now. 
  I keep hoping for some miracle but I know the
 prognosis is not good.
  
  Thanks
  Amy  
  
  
        
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] scratchy meow

2009-11-24 Thread Tracy McLendon
Her name is Bacca.  I am from the south and my fiance found her on a
tobacco farm at work one day with goopy eyes.  Down south, people call
tobacco bacca and she is golden in some spots like the leaf.
I had an appt for her friday to be seen but i am going to wait til she
is out of heat and get her spayed.  She is playing and just ate an
entire container of wet food.  I am scared of getting her spayed
because the last vet made such a big deal out of the eye surgery and
how the anesthesia could kill her.  I am going to go in and talk to
the vet as well.  I did get a new one.   They seem more reasonable as
I have taken several other animals of ours there and things have gone
well(crossing my fingers that it will continue).
Thank you all for responding!

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Tracy, not sure but the weird meow could be caused by her going into heat.  
 Any reason why you have not had her spayed?  I've had all my FeLV+ kitties 
 spayed/neutered.  Just makes sense since any off spring would almost surely 
 be FeLV+.  I wouldn't have her spayed while in the heat cycle but definitely 
 as soon as it is over.
 Sharyl

 --- On Tue, 11/24/09, Tracy McLendon tracymclen...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Tracy McLendon tracymclen...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] scratchy meow
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 4:36 PM
 Hello!  I am new here!  I
 have a 1 1/2 year old blind FLV cat.  Two
 days ago, she started to have an odd scratchy sounding
 meow.  She also
 went into heat about the same time.  She is eating and
 playing
 normally.  Her meow just suddenly changed and sounds
 raspy, almost
 like a parrot.

 This is my first experience with a FLV cat.  She is
 not on any type of
 vitamins, she is just like all the other cats, until she
 started with
 this weird meow.  When she went in originally for her
 eye enucleation,
 the vet just said she would be more susceptible to
 infections and that
 she would not live long.

 Can someone help me?  Any other signs I should look
 for?  She seems
 normal otherwise but I am such a hyphochondriac for myself
 and my
 animals!  I just want to know if anyone else has
 experienced meow
 changes

 Thanks in advance!

 --
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Re: [Felvtalk] scratchy meow

2009-11-24 Thread hdflhkat

Hi Tracy

Just so you know anything is possible and all of these kitties have a chance 
when there are
people like you willing to offer it to them.  All I suggest is to have Bacca as 
healthy as 
you can prior to submitting her to surgery of any kind. Get her resistance 
built up as much
as possible to give her the best of chances.

I have a 13 yr old Leukemia cat, Puss Puss, who is healthy as a horse and 
mingles with my 
others (all are vaccinated but her).  No special food, treatment or anything 
else.  I know not 
everyone is that lucky.

What you were talking about with Bacca sounds like it could be Feline Herpes?  
I have a kitten 
with that and for a while we didn't think he would make it.  He was one sick 
kitty with eyes 
gooped shut, nose snotty, sneezy, wheezing and coughing.  

I put him on antibiotics twice til we confirmed it was herpes.  Vet said he 
would be susceptible 
to colds, eye infections, pnuemonia and more easily susceptible to other 
infections for however 
long he lived. Also that these cats can develop lesions in their eyes that can 
lead to blindness.

Since then he has been on Lysine and is a changed cat!  One bout of 
infection requiring 
antibiotic but otherwise he has grown amazingly fast and is healthy.  I just 
can't let him outside
with the other cats cause he comes back in with a mild cough every time. He is 
NOT happy
about that!  Also have to be sure he doesn't over-exert himself playing cause 
he will wheeze a bit

Please research and consider Lysine for Bacca.  No matter what ails her I don't 
think there 
is any way it would hurt but other regulars to this newsletter might be able to 
tell you more 
about it.  My Scruffy comes running and tries to climb me like a tree every 
time I shake the 
Lysine bag!  I use them to distract him when the door will be open to let the 
others in or out!

Good luck with Bacca!

K




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From: Tracy McLendon tracymclen...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, Nov 24, 2009 9:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] scratchy meow


Her name is Bacca.  I am from the south and my fiance found her on a
obacco farm at work one day with goopy eyes.  Down south, people call
obacco bacca and she is golden in some spots like the leaf.
 had an appt for her friday to be seen but i am going to wait til she
s out of heat and get her spayed.  She is playing and just ate an
ntire container of wet food.  I am scared of getting her spayed
ecause the last vet made such a big deal out of the eye surgery and
ow the anesthesia could kill her.  I am going to go in and talk to
he vet as well.  I did get a new one.   They seem more reasonable as
 have taken several other animals of ours there and things have gone
ell(crossing my fingers that it will continue).
hank you all for responding!
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Tracy, not sure but the weird meow could be caused by her going into heat. 
Any reason why you have not had her spayed?  I've had all my FeLV+ kitties 
payed/neutered.  Just makes sense since any off spring would almost surely be 
eLV+.  I wouldn't have her spayed while in the heat cycle but definitely as 
oon as it is over.
 Sharyl

 --- On Tue, 11/24/09, Tracy McLendon tracymclen...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Tracy McLendon tracymclen...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] scratchy meow
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 4:36 PM
 Hello!  I am new here!  I
 have a 1 1/2 year old blind FLV cat.  Two
 days ago, she started to have an odd scratchy sounding
 meow.  She also
 went into heat about the same time.  She is eating and
 playing
 normally.  Her meow just suddenly changed and sounds
 raspy, almost
 like a parrot.

 This is my first experience with a FLV cat.  She is
 not on any type of
 vitamins, she is just like all the other cats, until she
 started with
 this weird meow.  When she went in originally for her
 eye enucleation,
 the vet just said she would be more susceptible to
 infections and that
 she would not live long.

 Can someone help me?  Any other signs I should look
 for?  She seems
 normal otherwise but I am such a hyphochondriac for myself
 and my
 animals!  I just want to know if anyone else has
 experienced meow
 changes

 Thanks in advance!

 --
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Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

2009-11-24 Thread Belinda Sauro
Took Fred in today because he is getting weaker and weaker, his HCT 
is up to 27.5, so still going up, I think he has a massive infection 
somewhere, he does have an ear infection and is on ear drops for that 
but I think he has a urinary tract infection too.  Will have the results 
tomorrow.


If you do at some point decide to go with the epogen, remember it can 
take up to three weeks or longer to start the HCT going up so don't wait 
until it get too low.


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Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

2009-11-24 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Belinda,

Here are vibes for Fred to bounce back!!

Diane R. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

 Took Fred in today because he is getting weaker and weaker, his HCT is
up to 27.5, so still going up, I think he has a massive infection somewhere,
he does have an ear infection and is on ear drops for that but I think he
has a urinary tract infection too.  Will have the results tomorrow.

If you do at some point decide to go with the epogen, remember it can take
up to three weeks or longer to start the HCT going up so don't wait until it
get too low.

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