Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets

2010-06-19 Thread Natalie
Veterinarians' views differ: My veterinarian who also practices holistic,
herbal, nutritional medicine does not like to vaccinate FeLV or FIV positive
cats too often due to their compromised immune systems. All vaccines are
only 80% effective, and over-vaccinating being a strong probable reason for
those immune diseases, it can often do more harm than help.  The problem
with vaccinating healthy cats with the FIV vaccine is that all future tests
will show them to be positive, whether they are or not. As I wrote before, I
have never had any problems with mixing FIV+ cats with healthy cats, as long
as they got along!
In the past 18 years, I have had at least 12 FIV+ cats that gave birth to
kittens that have never been infected and went on to live healthy and long
lives after they were adopted. One of those cats, at age 13, developed
cancer and the owner went all out on medical care - cat is in remission now.
I have had a FeLV+ male cat for the past two years - I kept him separate
because I don't like mixing FeLV and FIV together. I had the hardest time
finding a home for him because FeLV+ cats are almost immediately killed and
so many vets even recommend to owners that they euthanize their positive
pet.  I finally decided to look around for another FeLV+ cat for
companyit took ages; I finally found one in NJ (I'm in CT). After one
night being in separate cages next to one another, they are sharing a nice
large condo and have become the best of buddies.
My vet always says vaccinate according to a cat's lifestyle - if it goes
outside, it obviously needs all the protection available; if it's an indoor
cat, vaccinate only what is required by the state - rabies!
Natalie  

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 10:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets

I agree, totally.  Hooray for your vet!


On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net 
  wrote:

 I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, THANK GOD FOR MY VET.  HE SAYS IF YOU KEEP THE  
 NEGATIVES HEALTHY AND UP TO DATE ON SHOTS IT IS OKAY AND HE IS  
 WILLING TO READ/LISTEN TO ANYTHING I BRING HIM.


  trmckel...@charter.net wrote:
 I couldn't agree more with you, Sharyl.   Lots of vets think PTS  
 first with FeLV and FIV.   I often think they just don't know any  
 better.  The first option my vet offered with my first FeLV+, a  
 beautiful blue-eyed Ragdoll, was PTS, and my vet is very  
 progressive.  I also said no way, Selena had already wrapped me  
 around her little paw :-), we'll find other options.  I found out  
 about LTCI via websearch, got my vets on board, and now my vets are  
 believers after using it to save an FIV positive male they were  
 pretty sure wasn't going to make it.  They wouldn't have known to  
 try it if I hadn't pushed it in the first place.

 Terry
  Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 =
 A lot depends on the age of the negative cats.  Kittens seem more  
 susceptible.  I am one of those that has mixed positives and  
 negatives for almost 3 yrs.  But my negatives were current on their  
 FeLV vaccine before I started mixing and they get annual booster  
 shots.

 It really is an individual decision.  My 1st vet wanted to PTS Sissy  
 and Rocket just because they were FeLV+. Then she wanted to notify  
 AC to kill all the cats in the colony I rescued them from.  Told her  
 no way were we going to kill Sissy and Rocket and no way was I  
 telling anyone where the colony was.  PETA is another group intent  
 on killing all FeLV kitties.

 Some never mix and some mix very successfully.  I my case I was  
 bringing positive kittens into a home with vaccinated adult  
 negatives.  7 of my 8 positive kittens have now crossed the Rainbow  
 Bridge and there has been to issues with my negative cats.
 Sharyl

 --- On Mon, 6/14/10, brooklynnat...@charter.net
brooklynnat...@charter.net 
  wrote:

 From: brooklynnat...@charter.net brooklynnat...@charter.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc: dlg...@windstream.net
 Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 7:38 PM
 My vet totally discourages putting
 them together.  He said there is too much risk.  I
 have 7 other cats that are all healthy and I would love to
 be able to have them all be together but I'm afraid.  I
 wouldn't want the healthy ones to get sick.  I would
 feel so responsible.
  dlg...@windstream.net
 wrote:
 Theresa, if you felv kitty is lonely, ask your vet
 about mixing him with your other cats.  my veet said
 that as long as hey are up on their shots, it is okay and
 mine have been mixed for 2 years now with no problems.
 sure does make everyone happier.
  brooklynnat...@charter.net
 wrote:
 I live in Black Mountain NC and would be more
 than happy to give him a home.
 I'm really not too familiar with how things 

Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets

2010-06-19 Thread Gloria B. Lane
You got that right - vet views differ radically, which I'm sure many  
of us experience. For example, A couple of years ago a vet up in the  
heights, a nice part of Little Rock, isolated an FIV mama cat in a  
closet because he was afraid to place her anywhere near other cats.   
He recommended euthanization.  Fortunately, the lady who found her  
didn't do it and brought her back home.


Nice to hear some more confirmation on FIV kittens going negative,  
that's what we've experienced also.


I think it was MC who said they always mixed FIV and FELV at the  
sanctuary she was with in Michigan, and never any problems.


Gloria



On Jun 19, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Natalie wrote:

Veterinarians' views differ: My veterinarian who also practices  
holistic,
herbal, nutritional medicine does not like to vaccinate FeLV or FIV  
positive
cats too often due to their compromised immune systems. All vaccines  
are
only 80% effective, and over-vaccinating being a strong probable  
reason for
those immune diseases, it can often do more harm than help.  The  
problem
with vaccinating healthy cats with the FIV vaccine is that all  
future tests
will show them to be positive, whether they are or not. As I wrote  
before, I
have never had any problems with mixing FIV+ cats with healthy cats,  
as long

as they got along!
In the past 18 years, I have had at least 12 FIV+ cats that gave  
birth to
kittens that have never been infected and went on to live healthy  
and long

lives after they were adopted. One of those cats, at age 13, developed
cancer and the owner went all out on medical care - cat is in  
remission now.
I have had a FeLV+ male cat for the past two years - I kept him  
separate
because I don't like mixing FeLV and FIV together. I had the hardest  
time
finding a home for him because FeLV+ cats are almost immediately  
killed and
so many vets even recommend to owners that they euthanize their  
positive

pet.  I finally decided to look around for another FeLV+ cat for
companyit took ages; I finally found one in NJ (I'm in CT).  
After one
night being in separate cages next to one another, they are sharing  
a nice

large condo and have become the best of buddies.
My vet always says vaccinate according to a cat's lifestyle - if it  
goes
outside, it obviously needs all the protection available; if it's an  
indoor

cat, vaccinate only what is required by the state - rabies!
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B.  
Lane

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 10:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets

I agree, totally.  Hooray for your vet!


On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net

wrote:



I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, THANK GOD FOR MY VET.  HE SAYS IF YOU KEEP THE
NEGATIVES HEALTHY AND UP TO DATE ON SHOTS IT IS OKAY AND HE IS
WILLING TO READ/LISTEN TO ANYTHING I BRING HIM.


 trmckel...@charter.net wrote:

I couldn't agree more with you, Sharyl.   Lots of vets think PTS
first with FeLV and FIV.   I often think they just don't know any
better.  The first option my vet offered with my first FeLV+, a
beautiful blue-eyed Ragdoll, was PTS, and my vet is very
progressive.  I also said no way, Selena had already wrapped me
around her little paw :-), we'll find other options.  I found out
about LTCI via websearch, got my vets on board, and now my vets are
believers after using it to save an FIV positive male they were
pretty sure wasn't going to make it.  They wouldn't have known to
try it if I hadn't pushed it in the first place.


Terry
 Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

=
A lot depends on the age of the negative cats.  Kittens seem more
susceptible.  I am one of those that has mixed positives and
negatives for almost 3 yrs.  But my negatives were current on their
FeLV vaccine before I started mixing and they get annual booster
shots.

It really is an individual decision.  My 1st vet wanted to PTS Sissy
and Rocket just because they were FeLV+. Then she wanted to notify
AC to kill all the cats in the colony I rescued them from.  Told her
no way were we going to kill Sissy and Rocket and no way was I
telling anyone where the colony was.  PETA is another group intent
on killing all FeLV kitties.

Some never mix and some mix very successfully.  I my case I was
bringing positive kittens into a home with vaccinated adult
negatives.  7 of my 8 positive kittens have now crossed the Rainbow
Bridge and there has been to issues with my negative cats.
Sharyl

--- On Mon, 6/14/10, brooklynnat...@charter.net

brooklynnat...@charter.net

wrote:



From: brooklynnat...@charter.net brooklynnat...@charter.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: dlg...@windstream.net
Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 7:38 PM
My vet totally discourages putting
them together.  He said there is too much risk.  I
have 7 

Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets

2010-06-19 Thread Natalie
How wonderful that there are people who will NOT always listen to their
vets!  Happy ending for poor mama cat and kittens!

I was told by other vets, whenever I recued a pregnant FIV+ cat, to
euthanize immediately.  Or, if she already had kittens, to euthanize them,
too.  I still get calls from people who have rescued kittens with a FIV+
mother, and they are in tears because the vet told them to kill them all.
All the kittens that we had tested over the years, no earlier than 10 weeks
of age (can be false positives), their immune systems had already developed
enough to fight off the FIV.  The biggest mistakes that many vets and rescue
groups make is to test the kittens at a very young age when their immune
systems had not yet fully developed. There's so much misinformation, to this
day!

I don't know, maybe I'm too afraid of mixing FeLV and FIV positive cats.
I'll talk to my vet again and see what he thinks - they're all in great
health! It would be nice if they could all use the outdoor enclosure; right
now, only the FIV cats have that luxury. The only ones who cannot, are the
two FeLV sweeties.

What have anyone's experiences been with LTCI and their FeLV/FIV cats?

Natalie  =^..^= 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 11:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets

You got that right - vet views differ radically, which I'm sure many  
of us experience. For example, A couple of years ago a vet up in the  
heights, a nice part of Little Rock, isolated an FIV mama cat in a  
closet because he was afraid to place her anywhere near other cats.   
He recommended euthanization.  Fortunately, the lady who found her  
didn't do it and brought her back home.

Nice to hear some more confirmation on FIV kittens going negative,  
that's what we've experienced also.

I think it was MC who said they always mixed FIV and FELV at the  
sanctuary she was with in Michigan, and never any problems.

Gloria



On Jun 19, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Natalie wrote:

 Veterinarians' views differ: My veterinarian who also practices  
 holistic,
 herbal, nutritional medicine does not like to vaccinate FeLV or FIV  
 positive
 cats too often due to their compromised immune systems. All vaccines  
 are
 only 80% effective, and over-vaccinating being a strong probable  
 reason for
 those immune diseases, it can often do more harm than help.  The  
 problem
 with vaccinating healthy cats with the FIV vaccine is that all  
 future tests
 will show them to be positive, whether they are or not. As I wrote  
 before, I
 have never had any problems with mixing FIV+ cats with healthy cats,  
 as long
 as they got along!
 In the past 18 years, I have had at least 12 FIV+ cats that gave  
 birth to
 kittens that have never been infected and went on to live healthy  
 and long
 lives after they were adopted. One of those cats, at age 13, developed
 cancer and the owner went all out on medical care - cat is in  
 remission now.
 I have had a FeLV+ male cat for the past two years - I kept him  
 separate
 because I don't like mixing FeLV and FIV together. I had the hardest  
 time
 finding a home for him because FeLV+ cats are almost immediately  
 killed and
 so many vets even recommend to owners that they euthanize their  
 positive
 pet.  I finally decided to look around for another FeLV+ cat for
 companyit took ages; I finally found one in NJ (I'm in CT).  
 After one
 night being in separate cages next to one another, they are sharing  
 a nice
 large condo and have become the best of buddies.
 My vet always says vaccinate according to a cat's lifestyle - if it  
 goes
 outside, it obviously needs all the protection available; if it's an  
 indoor
 cat, vaccinate only what is required by the state - rabies!
 Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B.  
 Lane
 Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 10:06 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets

 I agree, totally.  Hooray for your vet!


 On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net
dlg...@windstream.net
 wrote:

 I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, THANK GOD FOR MY VET.  HE SAYS IF YOU KEEP THE
 NEGATIVES HEALTHY AND UP TO DATE ON SHOTS IT IS OKAY AND HE IS
 WILLING TO READ/LISTEN TO ANYTHING I BRING HIM.


  trmckel...@charter.net wrote:
 I couldn't agree more with you, Sharyl.   Lots of vets think PTS
 first with FeLV and FIV.   I often think they just don't know any
 better.  The first option my vet offered with my first FeLV+, a
 beautiful blue-eyed Ragdoll, was PTS, and my vet is very
 progressive.  I also said no way, Selena had already wrapped me
 around her little paw :-), we'll find other options.  I found out
 about LTCI via websearch, got my vets on 

Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets

2010-06-19 Thread dlgegg
I WOULD RATHER NOT VACCINAT MY PRIDE, BUT I DO LET THEM OUT DURING THE DAY IN 
NICE WEATHER.  WE LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WOODS AND OUR NEIGHBORS ARE 
RACCOONS, DEER, TURKEY, SKUNKS, POSSUMS, ETC., NOT TO LEAVE OUT STRAY CATS.  WE 
ARE ALSO NEAR A RIVER WHICH MEANS MOSQUITOS AND BUFFALO NATS WHO CAN SPREAD 
HEARTWORM.  SO, MY VET SAYS NOT TO TAKE CHANCES.  ANYONE HAVE AN OPINION ON 
THAT?
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Veterinarians' views differ: My veterinarian who also practices holistic,
 herbal, nutritional medicine does not like to vaccinate FeLV or FIV positive
 cats too often due to their compromised immune systems. All vaccines are
 only 80% effective, and over-vaccinating being a strong probable reason for
 those immune diseases, it can often do more harm than help.  The problem
 with vaccinating healthy cats with the FIV vaccine is that all future tests
 will show them to be positive, whether they are or not. As I wrote before, I
 have never had any problems with mixing FIV+ cats with healthy cats, as long
 as they got along!
 In the past 18 years, I have had at least 12 FIV+ cats that gave birth to
 kittens that have never been infected and went on to live healthy and long
 lives after they were adopted. One of those cats, at age 13, developed
 cancer and the owner went all out on medical care - cat is in remission now.
 I have had a FeLV+ male cat for the past two years - I kept him separate
 because I don't like mixing FeLV and FIV together. I had the hardest time
 finding a home for him because FeLV+ cats are almost immediately killed and
 so many vets even recommend to owners that they euthanize their positive
 pet.  I finally decided to look around for another FeLV+ cat for
 companyit took ages; I finally found one in NJ (I'm in CT). After one
 night being in separate cages next to one another, they are sharing a nice
 large condo and have become the best of buddies.
 My vet always says vaccinate according to a cat's lifestyle - if it goes
 outside, it obviously needs all the protection available; if it's an indoor
 cat, vaccinate only what is required by the state - rabies!
 Natalie  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
 Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 10:06 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets
 
 I agree, totally.  Hooray for your vet!
 
 
 On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net 
   wrote:
 
  I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, THANK GOD FOR MY VET.  HE SAYS IF YOU KEEP THE  
  NEGATIVES HEALTHY AND UP TO DATE ON SHOTS IT IS OKAY AND HE IS  
  WILLING TO READ/LISTEN TO ANYTHING I BRING HIM.
 
 
   trmckel...@charter.net wrote:
  I couldn't agree more with you, Sharyl.   Lots of vets think PTS  
  first with FeLV and FIV.   I often think they just don't know any  
  better.  The first option my vet offered with my first FeLV+, a  
  beautiful blue-eyed Ragdoll, was PTS, and my vet is very  
  progressive.  I also said no way, Selena had already wrapped me  
  around her little paw :-), we'll find other options.  I found out  
  about LTCI via websearch, got my vets on board, and now my vets are  
  believers after using it to save an FIV positive male they were  
  pretty sure wasn't going to make it.  They wouldn't have known to  
  try it if I hadn't pushed it in the first place.
 
  Terry
   Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  =
  A lot depends on the age of the negative cats.  Kittens seem more  
  susceptible.  I am one of those that has mixed positives and  
  negatives for almost 3 yrs.  But my negatives were current on their  
  FeLV vaccine before I started mixing and they get annual booster  
  shots.
 
  It really is an individual decision.  My 1st vet wanted to PTS Sissy  
  and Rocket just because they were FeLV+. Then she wanted to notify  
  AC to kill all the cats in the colony I rescued them from.  Told her  
  no way were we going to kill Sissy and Rocket and no way was I  
  telling anyone where the colony was.  PETA is another group intent  
  on killing all FeLV kitties.
 
  Some never mix and some mix very successfully.  I my case I was  
  bringing positive kittens into a home with vaccinated adult  
  negatives.  7 of my 8 positive kittens have now crossed the Rainbow  
  Bridge and there has been to issues with my negative cats.
  Sharyl
 
  --- On Mon, 6/14/10, brooklynnat...@charter.net
 brooklynnat...@charter.net 
   wrote:
 
  From: brooklynnat...@charter.net brooklynnat...@charter.net
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Cc: dlg...@windstream.net
  Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 7:38 PM
  My vet totally discourages putting
  them together.  He said there is too much risk.  I
  have 7 other cats that are all healthy and I would love to
  be able to have them all be together but I'm afraid.  I
  

Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat

2010-06-19 Thread MaryChristine
for everyone, i'll post this again: this is the link to the amer assn of
feline practitioners guidelines for management of feline retrovirii, and
contains further links to both the summaries and the full guidelines.
everyone dealing with a positive kitty should read this, and should sit and
watch their vet read it it's a phenomenal resource, complete with
circles and arrows on the back (ie, a great bibliography.)

http://www.catvets.com/professionals/guidelines/publications/index.aspx?ID=323

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Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat

2010-06-19 Thread Gloria B. Lane
You know, I'm surprised that the suggest even 'considering'  
vaccinating FIV- cats that live with FIV + cats... Even if they  
fight.  My adult cats lay around and sleep all the time, and even if  
someone decides to fight, it's never anything that produces a deep  
bite wound, which is what it takes to pass on FIV.


Gloria



On Jun 19, 2010, at 3:46 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

for everyone, i'll post this again: this is the link to the amer  
assn of
feline practitioners guidelines for management of feline retrovirii,  
and

contains further links to both the summaries and the full guidelines.
everyone dealing with a positive kitty should read this, and should  
sit and

watch their vet read it it's a phenomenal resource, complete with
circles and arrows on the back (ie, a great bibliography.)

http://www.catvets.com/professionals/guidelines/publications/index.aspx?ID=323

--
Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org 
)

Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
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[Felvtalk] Please add Onyx to the CLS

2010-06-19 Thread Avia Rauscher
Onyx lost her battle with FeLV tonight. Please add her to the CLS

Avia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Onyx to the CLS

2010-06-19 Thread Sharyl
Avia, I was saddened to read that Onyx has crossed the Rainbow Bridge.  It is a 
tough battle that we always seem to lose.   Treasure the good times you had 
with her.
I'll light a candle for her tonight.
Sharyl

--- On Sat, 6/19/10, Avia Rauscher a...@rauscher.com wrote:

 From: Avia Rauscher a...@rauscher.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Onyx to the CLS
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 9:16 PM
 Onyx lost her battle with FeLV
 tonight. Please add her to the CLS
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Onyx to the CLS

2010-06-19 Thread Sara Kasteleyn

Dear Avia,

Such sad news.  I just lit a candle here in S. California to light her way, and 
to thank you for the love you shared with her..  You're in our prayers tonight.

Sara

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Sent: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:16:28 -0400
Sour prayersubject: [Felvtalk] Please add Onyx to the CLS

Onyx lost her battle with FeLV tonight. Please add her to the CLS

Avia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Onyx to the CLS

2010-06-19 Thread Gloria Lane

In so sorry Avia. May she rest in peace.

Sent from my iPhone

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Onyx lost her battle with FeLV tonight. Please add her to the CLS

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