Re: [Felvtalk] Bugsy

2010-06-30 Thread Lorrie
Sherry, I am so sorry you lost Bugaboo. Big black cats are very
special to me, as they always seem so sweet and lovable. I lost 
my black cat, Voodoo, three years ago when he was only 3 years
old. I still miss him so much.

Lorrie

On 06-29, Sherry DeHaan wrote:

 My heart is heavy yet once again.Bugsy (Bugaboo) lost his battle
 today.He was at the Sids sanctuary back when I started in 2005.He
 was a sweet quiet big black boy.But in the last few months he
 started to decline and was not so quite the big boy.But he had a
 BIG BOY appetite.Just last night I fed him almost 2 cans of
 friskies and some baby food.We sure did spoil him his last days
 with us.I will miss you my Bugaboo,so happy I got to tell him I
 loved him last night before I left. Sherry
 
 
 We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
 than our own,
 Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
 Unable to accept its awful gaps.
 We still would have it no other way

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Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used? and update

2010-06-30 Thread jbero tds.net
Forgive me, but I'm not sure of Wolfie's history.  With respect to
hypercalcemia there are multiple causes.If you want to treat it you need
to identify the underlying cause.  This is often challenging and the
treatment (at least the immediate way to decrease the Ca levels) is with
diet, fluids and diuretics.  You can try doing this, but if you don't
identify the underlyling cause it may return to elevated levels.  The
question concerning his medical condition and whether or not to proceed is a
tough one.

Why does he have hind leg weakness.  This can sometimes be a vascular issue
(basically a blood clot in one of the large vessels) or felv involving the
central nervous system, or an autoimmune process, etc.  Are his kidneys okay
(tested for with BUN and Creat.) and liver (AST, ALT, albumin, Bilirubin)
and bone marrow (anemic? high or low WBC, presence of lymphoma?).  Is his
appetitie okay?  These things would influence my personal decision of
proceeding or not.  It seems likely that the elevated Calcium is secondary
to some other process, if that process cannot be treated, I would probably
not proceed with trying to find out why the calcium is elevated and simply
provide IV fluids and a change of diet to keep him comfortable while he is
here.  If the underlying problem can be treated, I would treat that first
and change diet and possibly give IV fluids, then watch the calcium and see
if it drops.

This is a tough decision at times.  Iwish you the best of luck and may God
bless.

Jenny

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I have not used Revolution on Wolfie.

 Wolfie is still acting himself, is eating fine but he is definitely getting
 weaker in the back legs.  It's really hard to see because I don't think
 things are going to get better.  He has food and litter on the main floor
 but is still choosing to do stairs (making me a nervous wreck).  He's
 starting to have a tough time with the kitchen floor (linoleum) so I'm
 putting carpets down to help.  Wish I could do something more for him but I
 always feel that way when my leuk positives start going downhill.  I hate
 this disease.

 Looking for opinions here.  Wolfie's calcium was 11.6 when the blood work
 was done.  Normal is 8.2-11.5.  The vet at Cornell wants me to draw another
 sample to check his active or ionized calcium to see if his Calcium is
 actually high.  Would you put your cat through this if your gut is that he
 doesn't have long?  I asked what we would do if it's high.  She said we'd
 look at all causes and rule them out and if none of those applied, we'd
 alter his diet to try bringing it down.  He's anemic and having trouble with
 his legs.  Would you pursue something like this or let him be in peace?

 Amy

 --- On Sun, 6/27/10, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:

  From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used?
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Cc: 'Carmen Conklin' cwshel...@wildblue.net
  Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 2:06 PM
  
 
  From: Carmen Conklin [mailto:cwshel...@wildblue.net]
 
  Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:57 PM
  To: Laurieskatz
  Subject: felvgroup
 
 
 
  Hi, I can't seem to be able to email into the felv group
  today-could you ask
  them a question regarding the Re: weakness in hind legs
  thing??
 
  I want to know if they had used Revolution on any of the
  cats that had that
  weakness in hind legs problem... Thanks, Carmen
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used? and update

2010-06-30 Thread Amy
No idea why he has hind leg weakness.  I'll researched all the causes and none 
seem to apply other than the leukemia.  He has had routine blood work every 6 
months of his life and we have monitored him very closely as we do all our 
positive cats.  No major problems other than some weight loss and IBD over the 
past couple years.

I don't think I've ever taken one of my positive cats to the vet that some 
level hasn't been off.  Historically when I've drawn more blood or done further 
testing, it always ends up being nothing.  I spend lots of money and put the 
cats through lots of testing and then 6 months later, the value is normal 
again.  I've just grown to step back and not flip out every time I see a low or 
high value for that reason.  I have to say I still feel sick every time I see 
the HCT drop in one of them though.  So that's my hesitation with taking 3 ml 
of blood from a non-regenerative anemic cat.  He just had a full CBC/Chem which 
is not a small amount of blood and I'm afraid to draw so much blood again when 
I think his time with me is limited to begin with.  

The only thing I can come up with as a cause of the hind leg weakness is long 
term steroid use.  I read that it's more common with injectable steroids so not 
sure if it even applies to pred.  He's been on pred for almost a year.  
However, I have no doubt that it is the one thing that has kept him alive.  
Neither me or the specialist I'm seeing are even considering taking him off 
that as I have no doubt he will crash.  We tried weaning him off it a year ago 
after treating him for hemobart and he started going downhill quickly.  That 
said, his bone marrow is shot.  He's been non-regenerative for over a year and 
making red blood cells from his spleen or elsewhere.  We knew he couldn't do 
this forever so I'm not shocked at where we are, just sad.  Since he's been 
anemic for a year and holding steady, I guess the weakness could be a result of 
the anemia as well.  Yet he doesn't seem weak otherwise really.  He sleeps a 
lot and yes it's obvious he doesn't keep
 up with the other cats but not so weak that it takes too much energy to walk 
in my opinion. 

His liver and kidney values are all normal. Appetite is normal.  No signs of 
lymphoma after 2 ultrasounds, probably has IBD and is on EVO which seems to 
have helped keep that in check.  His calcium is just over normal - 11.6 with 
normal being 8.2-11.5.  I looked at blood work from all my other cats and they 
all run towards the high end, 10 or higher.  So I'm weighing the risk worth the 
benefit of drawing another 3 ml of blood to see if he's really got a high 
calcium vs just waiting it out and if he's around in a month or so, rechecking 
it then.  Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome.

Thank you everyone for all the suggestions.  My gut tells me that he is close 
to the point of losing his battle with this disease.  I always try to keep hope 
and remain optimistic but watching one cat after another be taken down by this 
disease, it's hard to keep the faith sometimes.  Fingers crossed, Wolfie will 
pull through this and defy the odds as he has until now.  

Amy  

 Why does he have hind leg weakness.  This can
 sometimes be a vascular issue
 (basically a blood clot in one of the large vessels) or
 felv involving the
 central nervous system, or an autoimmune process,
 etc.  Are his kidneys okay
 (tested for with BUN and Creat.) and liver (AST, ALT,
 albumin, Bilirubin)
 and bone marrow (anemic? high or low WBC, presence of
 lymphoma?).  Is his
 appetitie okay?  These things would influence my
 personal decision of
 proceeding or not.  It seems likely that the elevated
 Calcium is secondary
 to some other process, if that process cannot be treated, I
 would probably
 not proceed with trying to find out why the calcium is
 elevated and simply
 provide IV fluids and a change of diet to keep him
 comfortable while he is
 here.  If the underlying problem can be treated, I
 would treat that first
 and change diet and possibly give IV fluids, then watch the
 calcium and see
 if it drops.
 
 This is a tough decision at times.  Iwish you the best
 of luck and may God
 bless.
 
 Jenny
 
 On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  I have not used Revolution on Wolfie.
 
  Wolfie is still acting himself, is eating fine but he
 is definitely getting
  weaker in the back legs.  It's really hard to see
 because I don't think
  things are going to get better.  He has food and
 litter on the main floor
  but is still choosing to do stairs (making me a
 nervous wreck).  He's
  starting to have a tough time with the kitchen floor
 (linoleum) so I'm
  putting carpets down to help.  Wish I could do
 something more for him but I
  always feel that way when my leuk positives start
 going downhill.  I hate
  this disease.
 
  Looking for opinions here.  Wolfie's calcium was
 11.6 when the blood work
  was done.  Normal is 8.2-11.5.  The vet at
 Cornell wants me 

Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used? and update

2010-06-30 Thread Sharyl
Amy, based on what you have written I wouldn't worry about the high Ca right 
now.  What was his phos level?  There is an issue when both Ca and Phos are 
high but again that wouldn't affect his hind legs.  It could be the anemia.

In the end we do what we can with the resources we have.  He's lucky to have 
you loving him.
Sharyl

--- On Wed, 6/30/10, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used? and update
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 12:12 PM
 No idea why he has hind leg
 weakness.  I'll researched all the causes and none seem
 to apply other than the leukemia.  He has had routine
 blood work every 6 months of his life and we have monitored
 him very closely as we do all our positive cats.  No
 major problems other than some weight loss and IBD over the
 past couple years.
 
 I don't think I've ever taken one of my positive cats to
 the vet that some level hasn't been off.  Historically
 when I've drawn more blood or done further testing, it
 always ends up being nothing.  I spend lots of money
 and put the cats through lots of testing and then 6 months
 later, the value is normal again.  I've just grown to
 step back and not flip out every time I see a low or high
 value for that reason.  I have to say I still feel sick
 every time I see the HCT drop in one of them though. 
 So that's my hesitation with taking 3 ml of blood from a
 non-regenerative anemic cat.  He just had a full
 CBC/Chem which is not a small amount of blood and I'm afraid
 to draw so much blood again when I think his time with me is
 limited to begin with.  
 
 The only thing I can come up with as a cause of the hind
 leg weakness is long term steroid use.  I read that
 it's more common with injectable steroids so not sure if it
 even applies to pred.  He's been on pred for almost a
 year.  However, I have no doubt that it is the one
 thing that has kept him alive.  Neither me or the
 specialist I'm seeing are even considering taking him off
 that as I have no doubt he will crash.  We tried
 weaning him off it a year ago after treating him for
 hemobart and he started going downhill quickly.  That
 said, his bone marrow is shot.  He's been
 non-regenerative for over a year and making red blood cells
 from his spleen or elsewhere.  We knew he couldn't do
 this forever so I'm not shocked at where we are, just
 sad.  Since he's been anemic for a year and holding
 steady, I guess the weakness could be a result of the anemia
 as well.  Yet he doesn't seem weak otherwise
 really.  He sleeps a lot and yes it's obvious he
 doesn't keep
  up with the other cats but not so weak that it takes too
 much energy to walk in my opinion. 
 
 His liver and kidney values are all normal. Appetite is
 normal.  No signs of lymphoma after 2 ultrasounds,
 probably has IBD and is on EVO which seems to have helped
 keep that in check.  His calcium is just over normal -
 11.6 with normal being 8.2-11.5.  I looked at blood
 work from all my other cats and they all run towards the
 high end, 10 or higher.  So I'm weighing the risk worth
 the benefit of drawing another 3 ml of blood to see if he's
 really got a high calcium vs just waiting it out and if he's
 around in a month or so, rechecking it then.  Any
 thoughts or suggestions are welcome.
 
 Thank you everyone for all the suggestions.  My gut
 tells me that he is close to the point of losing his battle
 with this disease.  I always try to keep hope and
 remain optimistic but watching one cat after another be
 taken down by this disease, it's hard to keep the faith
 sometimes.  Fingers crossed, Wolfie will pull through
 this and defy the odds as he has until now.  
 
 Amy  



  

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[Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP!

2010-06-30 Thread Marnie Miszewski
I need Liability insurance. I tried Kennel Pack and they sent me an apology
letter. They won't insure me because I adopt out healthy cats and keep FELV
positive cats in the same building. It's not like I keep them together. They
each have their own cageless room. I also had to promise never to adopt out
the FELV positive cats for them to even consider me and still they wouldn't
insure me. I know some of you do this, so I'm hoping you can point me in the
direction of people who are a little more understanding to the needs of
these kitties. It isn't fair to discriminate against me or these animals. I
just want to provide a no kill place for them to live and help find homes
for all of the kitties if possible. :-(

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP!

2010-06-30 Thread Chris
You might want to try some of the places that do keep AND adopt out FELV + and 
neg cats.  Sounds a bit crazy to me that they wouldn't give you insurance.  

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From: Marnie Miszewski marni...@embarqmail.com
Sent: Jun 30, 2010 1:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP!

I need Liability insurance. I tried Kennel Pack and they sent me an apology
letter. They won't insure me because I adopt out healthy cats and keep FELV
positive cats in the same building. It's not like I keep them together. They
each have their own cageless room. I also had to promise never to adopt out
the FELV positive cats for them to even consider me and still they wouldn't
insure me. I know some of you do this, so I'm hoping you can point me in the
direction of people who are a little more understanding to the needs of
these kitties. It isn't fair to discriminate against me or these animals. I
just want to provide a no kill place for them to live and help find homes
for all of the kitties if possible. :-(

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP!

2010-06-30 Thread Lorrie
Marnie,
It sounds like you are doing the same thing I am.I also have a
building, and I also keep FelV cats in a separate room, but I had
no problem getting liability insurance.  My cats don't attack people.
I only worried about someone falling on the sidewalk out front, or
having some other accident while on my property. I simply asked for
liability and fire insurance and got it. The insurance company didn't
ask me what the building was going to be used for, and I saw no reason
to mention the cats, because they aren't like dogs that attack people. 
I don't understand why your cats INSIDE the building would keep you
from getting liability insurance.  It sounds like your insurance 
company thinks you are insuring the cats not your building. 


 On 06-30, Marnie Miszewski wrote: I need Liability insurance. I tried
 Kennel Pack and they sent me an apology letter. They won't insure
 me because I adopt out healthy cats and keep FELV positive cats in
 the same building. It's not like I keep them together. They each
 have their own cageless room. I also had to promise never to adopt
 out the FELV positive cats for them to even consider me and still
 they wouldn't insure me. I know some of you do this, so I'm hoping
 you can point me in the direction of people who are a little more
 understanding to the needs of these kitties. It isn't fair to
 discriminate against me or these animals. I just want to provide a
 no kill place for them to live and help find homes for all of the
 kitties if possible. :-(
 
 THANKS!!
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used? and update

2010-06-30 Thread jbero tds.net
Amy,

I have to agree with Sharyl.  Taking everything into consideration I
probably would not proceed with evaluating the levels.  In human medicine we
don't treat unless the value is at least 1.0 greater than the upper limit of
norma.  My understanding in fact is that steroids can help lower levels of
ca. in some individuals.
Felv cats are so hard because when they get sick you just end up chasing one
symptom after another and we can't seem to cure the underlying cause.  I
think your fears are founded in the anemia and repeated blood draws.  Wolfie
is a lucky cat and I will keep him in my prayers.

Jenny

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Amy, based on what you have written I wouldn't worry about the high Ca
 right now.  What was his phos level?  There is an issue when both Ca and
 Phos are high but again that wouldn't affect his hind legs.  It could be the
 anemia.

 In the end we do what we can with the resources we have.  He's lucky to
 have you loving him.
 Sharyl

 --- On Wed, 6/30/10, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:

  From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used? and update
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 12:12 PM
   No idea why he has hind leg
  weakness.  I'll researched all the causes and none seem
  to apply other than the leukemia.  He has had routine
  blood work every 6 months of his life and we have monitored
  him very closely as we do all our positive cats.  No
  major problems other than some weight loss and IBD over the
  past couple years.
 
  I don't think I've ever taken one of my positive cats to
  the vet that some level hasn't been off.  Historically
  when I've drawn more blood or done further testing, it
  always ends up being nothing.  I spend lots of money
  and put the cats through lots of testing and then 6 months
  later, the value is normal again.  I've just grown to
  step back and not flip out every time I see a low or high
  value for that reason.  I have to say I still feel sick
  every time I see the HCT drop in one of them though.
  So that's my hesitation with taking 3 ml of blood from a
  non-regenerative anemic cat.  He just had a full
  CBC/Chem which is not a small amount of blood and I'm afraid
  to draw so much blood again when I think his time with me is
  limited to begin with.
 
  The only thing I can come up with as a cause of the hind
  leg weakness is long term steroid use.  I read that
  it's more common with injectable steroids so not sure if it
  even applies to pred.  He's been on pred for almost a
  year.  However, I have no doubt that it is the one
  thing that has kept him alive.  Neither me or the
  specialist I'm seeing are even considering taking him off
  that as I have no doubt he will crash.  We tried
  weaning him off it a year ago after treating him for
  hemobart and he started going downhill quickly.  That
  said, his bone marrow is shot.  He's been
  non-regenerative for over a year and making red blood cells
  from his spleen or elsewhere.  We knew he couldn't do
  this forever so I'm not shocked at where we are, just
  sad.  Since he's been anemic for a year and holding
  steady, I guess the weakness could be a result of the anemia
  as well.  Yet he doesn't seem weak otherwise
  really.  He sleeps a lot and yes it's obvious he
  doesn't keep
   up with the other cats but not so weak that it takes too
  much energy to walk in my opinion.
 
  His liver and kidney values are all normal. Appetite is
  normal.  No signs of lymphoma after 2 ultrasounds,
  probably has IBD and is on EVO which seems to have helped
  keep that in check.  His calcium is just over normal -
  11.6 with normal being 8.2-11.5.  I looked at blood
  work from all my other cats and they all run towards the
  high end, 10 or higher.  So I'm weighing the risk worth
  the benefit of drawing another 3 ml of blood to see if he's
  really got a high calcium vs just waiting it out and if he's
  around in a month or so, rechecking it then.  Any
  thoughts or suggestions are welcome.
 
  Thank you everyone for all the suggestions.  My gut
  tells me that he is close to the point of losing his battle
  with this disease.  I always try to keep hope and
  remain optimistic but watching one cat after another be
  taken down by this disease, it's hard to keep the faith
  sometimes.  Fingers crossed, Wolfie will pull through
  this and defy the odds as he has until now.
 
  Amy





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Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness

2010-06-30 Thread Amy
Sharyl,

Wolfie's phos was 2.8 (3-6.6).

Amy

 Amy, based on what you have written I
 wouldn't worry about the high Ca right now.  What was
 his phos level?  There is an issue when both Ca and
 Phos are high but again that wouldn't affect his hind
 legs.  It could be the anemia.    
 
 In the end we do what we can with the resources we
 have.  He's lucky to have you loving him.
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Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness

2010-06-30 Thread Sharyl
Amy, that sure would cause a problem.  Hope he is feeling better
Sharyl

--- On Wed, 6/30/10, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 10:30 PM
 Sharyl,
 
 Wolfie's phos was 2.8 (3-6.6).
 
 Amy
 
  Amy, based on what you have written I
  wouldn't worry about the high Ca right now.  What
 was
  his phos level?  There is an issue when both Ca and
  Phos are high but again that wouldn't affect his hind
  legs.  It could be the anemia.    
  
  In the end we do what we can with the resources we
  have.  He's lucky to have you loving him.
  Sharyl
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness

2010-06-30 Thread Amy
Sharyl,

Are you saying that phos level would cause a problem?  Neither of my vets 
seemed concerned with that level as it was just a tad below normal.

Amy

--- On Wed, 6/30/10, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 11:19 PM
 Amy, that sure would cause a
 problem.  Hope he is feeling better
 Sharyl
 
 --- On Wed, 6/30/10, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 10:30 PM
  Sharyl,
  
  Wolfie's phos was 2.8 (3-6.6).
  
  Amy
  
   Amy, based on what you have written I
   wouldn't worry about the high Ca right now. 
 What
  was
   his phos level?  There is an issue when both Ca
 and
   Phos are high but again that wouldn't affect his
 hind
   legs.  It could be the anemia.    
   
   In the end we do what we can with the resources
 we
   have.  He's lucky to have you loving him.
   Sharyl
   
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