Re: [Felvtalk] Please add grey and white kitten to the CLS list
Beautiful tribute, Mike. With tears, Sara --Original Mail-- From: Mike Finch jpact...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 07:02:44 -0700 PDT Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add grey and white kitten to the CLS list Karen, This story broke my heart, as I'm sure it will with everyone who reads it. Besides the joy in my heart knowing of your loving care for her, and that she knew that love before her life was extinguished, it gives me even more comfort knowing in my heart that God has reserved a very just and absolute punishment for the person who committed this act of cruelty, if that was in fact what it was. If it was a vehicle, then that is the unfortunate harsh reality of stray animals, but certainly no less devastating. God is smiling having witnessed your act of love and kindness. I'm smiling too. :) Mike From: Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 12:40:16 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add grey and white kitten to the CLS list I received the most beautiful kitten on my doorstep this early morning. She was a medium haired spotted girl. Please help me give her a name as she died on my lap after all efforts failed within 2 hours of her arrival. Her right eye was out of the socket and she had obviously received a tremendous blow. There was tremendous swelling to the right side of her head (this had not happened recently-I feel that the eye had popped from the socket from the cranial swelling). Believe it or not, she was semi-alert and loving, and cried for help. Ice packs were applied to reduce the swelling to the brain, and ALL of the usual veterinary trauma techniques were used in an attempt to save her. No kitten should die like this. Please light a candle for her as if she had been with a loving person for all of her brief life. I can never get the look of love and hope she gave me during her treatment from my mind. Please, please light a candle to light her tiny way. Karen - Original Message - From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:00 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Rocket to the CLS 6/06 - 8/10 Sharyl-thank you for sharing with us-I believe a little bit of all of our babies remain with us if we can share the memories. To know they were so very loved. You are lucky to have had her for the 4 years, fairly free of illness-I envy you. I only pray that we will have a few more good years with ours. Bless you for opening your home and heart to these little waifs. It is so hard to let go-the hole they leave in your heart. Purrayers for Rocket's quick journey to play with her family and all of our kitties. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update
I have been meaning to send out this update, but now it's in direct response to Paola's question. I wrote in a few weeks ago to get some advise on an FeLV positive kitten I had found in the middle of the street. Even knowing that he may not be around for long (the vet wanted to put him to sleep the day I found him) my boyfriend and I quickly fell in love with him and named him Tommy. After several hours of internet research, we decided to start giving him Mega C in hopes that it would boost his immune system enough to help him fight off the virus; at the very least, it couldn't hurt. After several weeks, we took Tommy to a different vet to be re-tested. This vet recommended sending the blood work to the lab, where they could do confirmatory tests if needed. We were ecstatic when she called to tell us that he is now testing negative; even she sounded surprised. The vet recommended that we get him tested again in a few weeks, just to make sure. I'm not sure if the Mega C made a difference or not, but we will continue giving it to him. The Mega C was not that expensive and it comes in a huge container that should last us quite a while. Even though we are still cautious, we are so happy that Tommy may have beaten this. When I found him, Tommy was tiny and starving to death - his eyes were not dilating properly, he couldn't walk without falling, he was failing to thrive. However, with regular meals, love and attention, he has grown to be a healthy, and quite mischievous, kitten. In the 6 weeks that he has been with us, he went from a pound and a half, to a full four pounds! Thank you for all the information you gave so freely. I know that many more kittens will benefit from your collective knowledge and care. Fernanda Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:38:25 -0700 From: iend...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens Hi all, I volunteer at a kitten rescue organization, and talking about all the loving, caring people on this listserv the people at the organization were wondering for those who have kittens that were tested positive, how often and how many (average if you've rescued many) turn out to be negative when/if re-tested later on? It would be especially good to know in case we rescue kittens that test positive. Knowing of actual cases and occasions of kittens that turned out to be negative when tested later on would help a lot in dealing with possible cases, and trying to get them adopted. thank you so much in advance, and I hope this gets through, several of my posts/replies to posts haven't been showing up (on my end anyway) Best Paola ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update
in adult healthy cats, the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of their system. they also know that some percentage of that 30% who do remain viremic, never become symptomatic, and are not contagious, even tho they continue to test positive. vets consistently forget, and we must consistently remind them, that the SNAP (and IFA, actually) test not for antibodies/infection, but for antigens/exposure--so a confirmatory test is literally vital. sadly, there is just not enough research to say what the percentages are in kittens--back in 2002, it was presumed that ALL kittens of positive moms (many of whom probably weren't positive to start with) were be definition positive themselves, and all were killed. when mom wasn't there to test, if one kitten in a litter tested positive, or the litter's blood was mixed (heaven forfend!) and was positive (again, remember, to ANTIGENS only), all were most likely killed. asymptomatic positive adults were most likely to be given a chance, while kittens were far less lucky. hence no research pool. in sanctuary settings, anecdotally it seemed that asymptomatic kittens--especially of asymptomatic moms--who made it past six or seven months of age (when mom's antibodies wore off? don't know, but kept happening), and again past about 18-22 months (absolutely NO ideas on why that's an important mark) would survive--these were UNretested cats, remember. kittens of sickly moms, or kittens who were themselves sickly -- not necessarily REALLY sick, but just not as thrifty as others their age/developmental stage--tended to do less well. with retesting recognized as a necessity, with an IFA done at an interval long enough to let the virus work itself out of kitty's system, the majority of kittens tested negative. still do. just no real data to 'prove' it. paolo, have you seen this? *http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines* * * MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update
Can you please state the first paragraph in another way. I'm don't know what you mean by the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of their system. This is very important to me because I have a very healthy cat who tested POSITIVE one year ago. He was a stray. This is the second year I'm taking him to have his teeth cleaned because the vet said she can see signs of FELV+ by his teeth (not her exact words). So what percentage of the 70% and the 30% are the cats who become ill? I began giving my cat the MEGA C a little over a year ago. Thanks very much. Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update in adult healthy cats, the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of their system. they also know that some percentage of that 30% who do remain viremic, never become symptomatic, and are not contagious, even tho they continue to test positive. vets consistently forget, and we must consistently remind them, that the SNAP (and IFA, actually) test not for antibodies/infection, but for antigens/exposure--so a confirmatory test is literally vital. sadly, there is just not enough research to say what the percentages are in kittens--back in 2002, it was presumed that ALL kittens of positive moms (many of whom probably weren't positive to start with) were be definition positive themselves, and all were killed. when mom wasn't there to test, if one kitten in a litter tested positive, or the litter's blood was mixed (heaven forfend!) and was positive (again, remember, to ANTIGENS only), all were most likely killed. asymptomatic positive adults were most likely to be given a chance, while kittens were far less lucky. hence no research pool. in sanctuary settings, anecdotally it seemed that asymptomatic kittens--especially of asymptomatic moms--who made it past six or seven months of age (when mom's antibodies wore off? don't know, but kept happening), and again past about 18-22 months (absolutely NO ideas on why that's an important mark) would survive--these were UNretested cats, remember. kittens of sickly moms, or kittens who were themselves sickly -- not necessarily REALLY sick, but just not as thrifty as others their age/developmental stage--tended to do less well. with retesting recognized as a necessity, with an IFA done at an interval long enough to let the virus work itself out of kitty's system, the majority of kittens tested negative. still do. just no real data to 'prove' it. paolo, have you seen this? *http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines* * * MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update
*http://tinyurl.com/Merck-FeLV* * * *the info on regressive infection is in the aafp guidelines to managing feline retroviruses, which i've posted many times--check the archives. * * * * * MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Sander, Sue sue.san...@ssa.gov wrote: Can you please state the first paragraph in another way. I'm don't know what you mean by the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of their system. This is very important to me because I have a very healthy cat who tested POSITIVE one year ago. He was a stray. This is the second year I'm taking him to have his teeth cleaned because the vet said she can see signs of FELV+ by his teeth (not her exact words). So what percentage of the 70% and the 30% are the cats who become ill? I began giving my cat the MEGA C a little over a year ago. Thanks very much. Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update in adult healthy cats, the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of their system. they also know that some percentage of that 30% who do remain viremic, never become symptomatic, and are not contagious, even tho they continue to test positive. vets consistently forget, and we must consistently remind them, that the SNAP (and IFA, actually) test not for antibodies/infection, but for antigens/exposure--so a confirmatory test is literally vital. sadly, there is just not enough research to say what the percentages are in kittens--back in 2002, it was presumed that ALL kittens of positive moms (many of whom probably weren't positive to start with) were be definition positive themselves, and all were killed. when mom wasn't there to test, if one kitten in a litter tested positive, or the litter's blood was mixed (heaven forfend!) and was positive (again, remember, to ANTIGENS only), all were most likely killed. asymptomatic positive adults were most likely to be given a chance, while kittens were far less lucky. hence no research pool. in sanctuary settings, anecdotally it seemed that asymptomatic kittens--especially of asymptomatic moms--who made it past six or seven months of age (when mom's antibodies wore off? don't know, but kept happening), and again past about 18-22 months (absolutely NO ideas on why that's an important mark) would survive--these were UNretested cats, remember. kittens of sickly moms, or kittens who were themselves sickly -- not necessarily REALLY sick, but just not as thrifty as others their age/developmental stage--tended to do less well. with retesting recognized as a necessity, with an IFA done at an interval long enough to let the virus work itself out of kitty's system, the majority of kittens tested negative. still do. just no real data to 'prove' it. paolo, have you seen this? *http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines* * * MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Please add grey and white kitten to the CLS list
Karen, Your post was just heartbreaking. I can't stop thinking about this poor little baby kitten. Bless you for helping her and loving her in her last hours. Lorrie On 08-17, Karen Griffith wrote: I received the most beautiful kitten on my doorstep this early morning. She was a medium haired spotted girl. Please help me give her a name as she died on my lap after all efforts failed within 2 hours of her arrival. Her right eye was out of the socket and she had obviously received a tremendous blow. There was tremendous swelling to the right side of her head (this had not happened recently-I feel that the eye had popped from the socket from the cranial swelling). Believe it or not, she was semi-alert and loving, and cried for help. Ice packs were applied to reduce the swelling to the brain, and ALL of the usual veterinary trauma techniques were used in an attempt to save her. No kitten should die like this. Please light a candle for her as if she had been with a loving person for all of her brief life. I can never get the look of love and hope she gave me during her treatment from my mind. Please, please light a candle to light her tiny way. Karen ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update
thanks for the replies and thanks Susan for asking a question one the one below from MC as I hadn't gotten it. So far I've only gotten this one (through Susan) and the one from Fernanda about little Tommy - so awesome to hear he's negative and doing well kudos to you guys for insisting on keeping him!!! Susan if you get a reply from MC can you forward it to me again? I need to contact the administrator somehow and see if we can figure out why I keep missing posts :-( Karen I got yours and it's so heartbreaking about your little Lovey kitten, you at least gave him a peaceful passing, and some warmth in the end Paola From: Sander, Sue sue.san...@ssa.gov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 11:46:10 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update Can you please state the first paragraph in another way. I'm don't know what you mean by the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of their system. This is very important to me because I have a very healthy cat who tested POSITIVE one year ago. He was a stray. This is the second year I'm taking him to have his teeth cleaned because the vet said she can see signs of FELV+ by his teeth (not her exact words). So what percentage of the 70% and the 30% are the cats who become ill? I began giving my cat the MEGA C a little over a year ago. Thanks very much. Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update in adult healthy cats, the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of their system. they also know that some percentage of that 30% who do remain viremic, never become symptomatic, and are not contagious, even tho they continue to test positive. vets consistently forget, and we must consistently remind them, that the SNAP (and IFA, actually) test not for antibodies/infection, but for antigens/exposure--so a confirmatory test is literally vital. sadly, there is just not enough research to say what the percentages are in kittens--back in 2002, it was presumed that ALL kittens of positive moms (many of whom probably weren't positive to start with) were be definition positive themselves, and all were killed. when mom wasn't there to test, if one kitten in a litter tested positive, or the litter's blood was mixed (heaven forfend!) and was positive (again, remember, to ANTIGENS only), all were most likely killed. asymptomatic positive adults were most likely to be given a chance, while kittens were far less lucky. hence no research pool. in sanctuary settings, anecdotally it seemed that asymptomatic kittens--especially of asymptomatic moms--who made it past six or seven months of age (when mom's antibodies wore off? don't know, but kept happening), and again past about 18-22 months (absolutely NO ideas on why that's an important mark) would survive--these were UNretested cats, remember. kittens of sickly moms, or kittens who were themselves sickly -- not necessarily REALLY sick, but just not as thrifty as others their age/developmental stage--tended to do less well. with retesting recognized as a necessity, with an IFA done at an interval long enough to let the virus work itself out of kitty's system, the majority of kittens tested negative. still do. just no real data to 'prove' it. paolo, have you seen this? *http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines* * * MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
