Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
yes, supposedly. The person who got me in contact with her I have never met in person, but she helped me with my TNR/Colony, and she runs a respected group and is well known/respected by local vets. I don't think she knows this lady well, but I might call and ask what the deal is. Thanks :) --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Heather Wienker furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Heather Wienker furrygi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 11:14 PM So this woman is a rescue type person? How did you come into contact? Wonder if any local rescues or shelters know of her. It is all odd, could just be emotional issues. Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^= On Jan 19, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: thanks, Laurie, I appreciate you chiming in. yes, he is neutered, he wandered into her yard fixed, many years ago. She gave the cat to the relative, then a boyfriend, then the relative again. The kitty doesn't get daily attention, since she doesn't live there, which is why I really want to assess the situation. Now she isn't sure about the size of the space we can provide- one day we're great, the next day, she's got misgivings. As far as the masturbation thing, she said she asked the vet several years ago and was told the kitty is bored and lonely. I agree, the kitty needs a vet - 'very thin' makes me want to check his thyroid and blood sugar. It's hard to get her to stay focused, she rambles about other things; I know I'm dealing with more than a sad kitty here. --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:44 PM Imo this kitty needs your help. I did rescue for 13 years and have never heard of a kitty masturbating...? is he neutered? She might be embarrassed to have a cat in this condition belonging to a relative (this is my suspicion). As a rescuer friend of mine says when she is trying to help someone who is not being reasonable, it's not the cat's fault. I would go over there and assess things yourself. Take a carrier. If the carrier won't work, ask about trapping him. Does anyone interact with this poor cat? The masturbation might be another bodily fluid...dental issue or infection. It sounds like this kitty needs to see a vet. How would her vet even know if the cat saw someone else. She could say the potential adopter wanted to go to someone else. I sense fear of something behind this refusal to cooperate. Please go get him and let us know what you find out. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV. She can't take him because of the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch. We've had a few conversations. I have been told the following: the kitty hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and never attacks the other cats. The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in supposed perfect health. There's never been an IFA or Western Blot. I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly use their vet. She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there. When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like carriers and might need a shot to be sedated. That wasn't mentioned the first few conversations. Stating the obvious,
Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
Thanks, Heather. I think your gut is pretty much on target. this kitty needs help and maybe I can network to get him some help if she refuses mine. I also noticed she expressed interest at another cat I mentioned seeing - she didn't say she'd adopt him but that she was thinking about him and 'wondering ' This concerned me - if she's trying to place so many cats, she's considering to adopt herself? The word horder crossed my mind, although she claims to have a managable amount at her home. she mentioned someone else is trying to get her to take a cat and she 'didn't know'. Thanks again, we'll see how it goes!! --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Heather Wienker furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Heather Wienker furrygi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 10:58 PM I will write more when I can get to a computer but my gut (from a distance knowing far less than you so perhaps not entitled to a 'gut' on this:) is that yes, this woman has issues (or sometimes 'normal' people the issue is that they are too preoccupied with their own lives) and the cat needs help which will likely require someone just taking the cat asap. I totally understand you may not be able to do that, sadly even many rescue people don't understand the importance of an IFA or what giving a home to and felv cat really entails. And 'normal' people seeking help for a cat often aren't willing to do much and will make every excuse in the world why they can't. Or perhaps she really is just kind of nuts, that is quite possible. Poor kitty:( Thank you for caring enough to explore further. I've also seen rescue people say 'somethings not right--I'm out of this one, but those are likely often some of the situations where the animal really needs help. I may be way wrong though! It is so hard to guess what the heck is up with people much of the time but getting away from crazy people/bad situations often seems to help the cats who the people claim are the ones with the problem (and they are, due to the people and all they've been through). Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^= On Jan 19, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: thanks, Laurie, I appreciate you chiming in. yes, he is neutered, he wandered into her yard fixed, many years ago. She gave the cat to the relative, then a boyfriend, then the relative again. The kitty doesn't get daily attention, since she doesn't live there, which is why I really want to assess the situation. Now she isn't sure about the size of the space we can provide- one day we're great, the next day, she's got misgivings. As far as the masturbation thing, she said she asked the vet several years ago and was told the kitty is bored and lonely. I agree, the kitty needs a vet - 'very thin' makes me want to check his thyroid and blood sugar. It's hard to get her to stay focused, she rambles about other things; I know I'm dealing with more than a sad kitty here. --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:44 PM Imo this kitty needs your help. I did rescue for 13 years and have never heard of a kitty masturbating...? is he neutered? She might be embarrassed to have a cat in this condition belonging to a relative (this is my suspicion). As a rescuer friend of mine says when she is trying to help someone who is not being reasonable, it's not the cat's fault. I would go over there and assess things yourself. Take a carrier. If the carrier won't work, ask about trapping him. Does anyone interact with this poor cat? The masturbation might be another bodily fluid...dental issue or infection. It sounds like this kitty needs to see a vet. How would her vet even know if the cat saw someone else. She could say the potential adopter wanted to go to someone else. I sense fear of something behind this refusal to cooperate. Please go get him and let us know what you find out. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange
Re: [Felvtalk] strange situation (kitty to adopt)
Thank you for offering to take the cat to the vet for a check up. From what you've told us it sounds like the person who has this cat needs help too (psychological help) I'm guessing the cat will be much happier in a new home! On 01-19, Emeraldkittee wrote: thanks, Laurie, I appreciate you chiming in. ? yes, he is neutered, he wandered into her yard fixed, many years ago.? She gave the cat to the relative, then a boyfriend, then the relative again.? The kitty doesn't get daily attention, since she doesn't live there, which is why I really want to assess the situation.? Now she isn't sure?about the size of the space we can provide- one day we're great, the next day, she's got misgivings.?As far as the masturbation thing, she said she asked the vet several years ago and was told the kitty is bored and lonely. I agree, the kitty needs a vet - 'very thin' makes me want to check his thyroid and blood sugar.? It's hard to get her to stay focused, she rambles about other things; I know I'm dealing with more than a sad kitty here.? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
First of all, instead of sedating the cat to use a carrier (can't be that bad), spray some Feliway into it about 1/2 hr before; add some catnip to the bedding, and maybe a treat or two. I suspect that the problem with vet(s) could be non-paymentthat's what I usually come across with people who rescue on their own and don't get a price-break, getting themselves into a hole and switch vets all the time (unless it was an incompetent vet). I would just take the cat to a vet ASAP, that's the only way to get some definitive answers about the cat's health. Is the cat neutered? I bet he's not masturbating - it's probably something completely different - maybe sucking on fabric, etc. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV. She can't take him because of the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch. We've had a few conversations. I have been told the following: the kitty hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and never attacks the other cats. The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in supposed perfect health. There's never been an IFA or Western Blot. I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly use their vet. She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there. When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like carriers and might need a shot to be sedated. That wasn't mentioned the first few conversations. Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me. I know this person is overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT. I am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an adoption? She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't know about doing this. I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need to see what's going on. I got the impression there was a problem with the vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story? How can I best help... Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied experience. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
In a similar case I got my hands on the cat and never returned the cat. The guy was furious with me but the cat was much better off. She was starved and not altered. She came with six kittens. He called me about the kittens. I asked about the mom and said I would pay to have her spayed but when I saw her condition I did not return her. Had he pushed it, I would have filed neglect or cruelty charges. Please get that kitty asap. I, frankly, dont' see any need for gathering more information. You know the woman has issues and it sounds like the cat does. They often go together. Even if he is a mess and has to be EU that is better than emotional abandonment and living like he is. I hope you will get that kitty today, even. If you have to, take someone with you for support. I suspect that kitty will bond to whomever takes him. All he wants is to be loved. I believe he will be so grateful to just be loved. Kitties are so sensitive. She probably emotionally terrorizes him. You can't trust her assessment. She does sound like a hoarder. You can assess him once you have him. If you don't have other cats, I wouldn't even bother with the testing. I would get him out of her possession however you can and never return him. you can promise to do what she wants but you don't have to do it. BEST INTERESTS OF THE CAT. If you can't keep him, Contact Carmen at CW shelter in Nashua, IA (she is on this list). She requires sponsorship and has other FeLV/FIV kitties. God bless this kitty. I know I won't sleep well until he is safe. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:44 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) Thanks, Heather. I think your gut is pretty much on target. this kitty needs help and maybe I can network to get him some help if she refuses mine. I also noticed she expressed interest at another cat I mentioned seeing - she didn't say she'd adopt him but that she was thinking about him and 'wondering ' This concerned me - if she's trying to place so many cats, she's considering to adopt herself? The word horder crossed my mind, although she claims to have a managable amount at her home. she mentioned someone else is trying to get her to take a cat and she 'didn't know'. Thanks again, we'll see how it goes!! --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Heather Wienker furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Heather Wienker furrygi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 10:58 PM I will write more when I can get to a computer but my gut (from a distance knowing far less than you so perhaps not entitled to a 'gut' on this:) is that yes, this woman has issues (or sometimes 'normal' people the issue is that they are too preoccupied with their own lives) and the cat needs help which will likely require someone just taking the cat asap. I totally understand you may not be able to do that, sadly even many rescue people don't understand the importance of an IFA or what giving a home to and felv cat really entails. And 'normal' people seeking help for a cat often aren't willing to do much and will make every excuse in the world why they can't. Or perhaps she really is just kind of nuts, that is quite possible. Poor kitty:( Thank you for caring enough to explore further. I've also seen rescue people say 'somethings not right--I'm out of this one, but those are likely often some of the situations where the animal really needs help. I may be way wrong though! It is so hard to guess what the heck is up with people much of the time but getting away from crazy people/bad situations often seems to help the cats who the people claim are the ones with the problem (and they are, due to the people and all they've been through). Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^= On Jan 19, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: thanks, Laurie, I appreciate you chiming in. yes, he is neutered, he wandered into her yard fixed, many years ago. She gave the cat to the relative, then a boyfriend, then the relative again. The kitty doesn't get daily attention, since she doesn't live there, which is why I really want to assess the situation. Now she isn't sure about the size of the space we can provide- one day we're great, the
Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
Wow, sounds like she has issues- what kind, who knows? See if your vet will give you an ace promazine (or something similar) to give the cat, so that you can get it in the carrier (provided the woman lets you take it anywhere!). Since he's stuck in a room, he can't really hide when the sedation starts to take effect. Poor kitty. He sounds absolutely miserable. :-( Alternatively, I can go to the house and steal the cat for you, if you like... (haha! Just kidding ;-)) -Original Message- From: Emeraldkittee [mailto:emeraldkit...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV. She can't take him because of the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch. We've had a few conversations. I have been told the following: the kitty hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and never attacks the other cats. The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in supposed perfect health. There's never been an IFA or Western Blot. I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly use their vet. She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there. When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like carriers and might need a shot to be sedated. That wasn't mentioned the first few conversations. Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me. I know this person is overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT. I am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an adoption? She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't know about doing this. I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need to see what's going on. I got the impression there was a problem with the vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story? How can I best help... Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied experience. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
Hey Natalie and everyone, I know, just for me to take this guy and do everything it would be over $600 ($750 for a home visit) – and I just can’t do that with all my own special needs babies. I completely thought she was affiliated with a rescue group and I could do this at a discount. The $600 would be full blood panel, exam, fecal, check urine, western blot and IFA. I’m going to call the woman who referred me and see if we can do something under her rescue group. My vet works with a group but they won’t let me process him under their name. even with a donation. --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:53 AM First of all, instead of sedating the cat to use a carrier (can't be that bad), spray some Feliway into it about 1/2 hr before; add some catnip to the bedding, and maybe a treat or two. I suspect that the problem with vet(s) could be non-paymentthat's what I usually come across with people who rescue on their own and don't get a price-break, getting themselves into a hole and switch vets all the time (unless it was an incompetent vet). I would just take the cat to a vet ASAP, that's the only way to get some definitive answers about the cat's health. Is the cat neutered? I bet he's not masturbating - it's probably something completely different - maybe sucking on fabric, etc. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV. She can't take him because of the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch. We've had a few conversations. I have been told the following: the kitty hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and never attacks the other cats. The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in supposed perfect health. There's never been an IFA or Western Blot. I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly use their vet. She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there. When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like carriers and might need a shot to be sedated. That wasn't mentioned the first few conversations. Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me. I know this person is overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT. I am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an adoption? She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't know about doing this. I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need to see what's going on. I got the impression there was a problem with the vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story? How can I best help... Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied experience. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
I'll help with $ if needed. There's a way to do a chip in donation online. Others here have done it, Second Chance Meows has, I think. Do you know how to do that? If not, I will send you a check. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) Hey Natalie and everyone, I know, just for me to take this guy and do everything it would be over $600 ($750 for a home visit) – and I just can’t do that with all my own special needs babies. I completely thought she was affiliated with a rescue group and I could do this at a discount. The $600 would be full blood panel, exam, fecal, check urine, western blot and IFA. I’m going to call the woman who referred me and see if we can do something under her rescue group. My vet works with a group but they won’t let me process him under their name. even with a donation. --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:53 AM First of all, instead of sedating the cat to use a carrier (can't be that bad), spray some Feliway into it about 1/2 hr before; add some catnip to the bedding, and maybe a treat or two. I suspect that the problem with vet(s) could be non-paymentthat's what I usually come across with people who rescue on their own and don't get a price-break, getting themselves into a hole and switch vets all the time (unless it was an incompetent vet). I would just take the cat to a vet ASAP, that's the only way to get some definitive answers about the cat's health. Is the cat neutered? I bet he's not masturbating - it's probably something completely different - maybe sucking on fabric, etc. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV. She can't take him because of the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch. We've had a few conversations. I have been told the following: the kitty hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and never attacks the other cats. The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in supposed perfect health. There's never been an IFA or Western Blot. I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly use their vet. She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there. When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like carriers and might need a shot to be sedated. That wasn't mentioned the first few conversations. Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me. I know this person is overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT. I am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an adoption? She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't know about doing this. I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need to see what's going on. I got the impression there was a problem with the vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story? How can I best help... Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your
Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
Here is the fundraising site http://www.chipin.com/overview Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) I'll help with $ if needed. There's a way to do a chip in donation online. Others here have done it, Second Chance Meows has, I think. Do you know how to do that? If not, I will send you a check. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) Hey Natalie and everyone, I know, just for me to take this guy and do everything it would be over $600 ($750 for a home visit) – and I just can’t do that with all my own special needs babies. I completely thought she was affiliated with a rescue group and I could do this at a discount. The $600 would be full blood panel, exam, fecal, check urine, western blot and IFA. I’m going to call the woman who referred me and see if we can do something under her rescue group. My vet works with a group but they won’t let me process him under their name. even with a donation. --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:53 AM First of all, instead of sedating the cat to use a carrier (can't be that bad), spray some Feliway into it about 1/2 hr before; add some catnip to the bedding, and maybe a treat or two. I suspect that the problem with vet(s) could be non-paymentthat's what I usually come across with people who rescue on their own and don't get a price-break, getting themselves into a hole and switch vets all the time (unless it was an incompetent vet). I would just take the cat to a vet ASAP, that's the only way to get some definitive answers about the cat's health. Is the cat neutered? I bet he's not masturbating - it's probably something completely different - maybe sucking on fabric, etc. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV. She can't take him because of the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch. We've had a few conversations. I have been told the following: the kitty hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and never attacks the other cats. The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in supposed perfect health. There's never been an IFA or Western Blot. I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly use their vet. She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there. When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like carriers and might need a shot to be sedated. That wasn't mentioned the first few conversations. Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me. I
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Isn't $600 a bit expensive??? Wow! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Natalie and everyone, I know, just for me to take this guy and do everything it would be over $600 ($750 for a home visit) – and I just can’t do that with all my own special needs babies. I completely thought she was affiliated with a rescue group and I could do this at a discount. The $600 would be full blood panel, exam, fecal, check urine, western blot and IFA. I’m going to call the woman who referred me and see if we can do something under her rescue group. My vet works with a group but they won’t let me process him under their name. even with a donation. --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:53 AM First of all, instead of sedating the cat to use a carrier (can't be that bad), spray some Feliway into it about 1/2 hr before; add some catnip to the bedding, and maybe a treat or two. I suspect that the problem with vet(s) could be non-paymentthat's what I usually come across with people who rescue on their own and don't get a price-break, getting themselves into a hole and switch vets all the time (unless it was an incompetent vet). I would just take the cat to a vet ASAP, that's the only way to get some definitive answers about the cat's health. Is the cat neutered? I bet he's not masturbating - it's probably something completely different - maybe sucking on fabric, etc. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV. She can't take him because of the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch. We've had a few conversations. I have been told the following: the kitty hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and never attacks the other cats. The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in supposed perfect health. There's never been an IFA or Western Blot. I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly use their vet. She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there. When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like carriers and might need a shot to be sedated. That wasn't mentioned the first few conversations. Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me. I know this person is overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT. I am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an adoption? She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't know about doing this. I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need to see what's going on. I got the impression there was a problem with the vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story? How can I best help... Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied experience. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I think so, but that's the norm around here. $105 total blood panel $225 IFA $225 Western Blot $34 urine test/cystocentsis $17 fecal $50 exam I think I just figured out why I don't get to Hawaii much ;) --- On Thu, 1/20/11, W wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: From: W wendy2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 3:58 PM Isn't $600 a bit expensive??? Wow! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Natalie and everyone, I know, just for me to take this guy and do everything it would be over $600 ($750 for a home visit) – and I just can’t do that with all my own special needs babies. I completely thought she was affiliated with a rescue group and I could do this at a discount. The $600 would be full blood panel, exam, fecal, check urine, western blot and IFA. I’m going to call the woman who referred me and see if we can do something under her rescue group. My vet works with a group but they won’t let me process him under their name. even with a donation. --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:53 AM First of all, instead of sedating the cat to use a carrier (can't be that bad), spray some Feliway into it about 1/2 hr before; add some catnip to the bedding, and maybe a treat or two. I suspect that the problem with vet(s) could be non-paymentthat's what I usually come across with people who rescue on their own and don't get a price-break, getting themselves into a hole and switch vets all the time (unless it was an incompetent vet). I would just take the cat to a vet ASAP, that's the only way to get some definitive answers about the cat's health. Is the cat neutered? I bet he's not masturbating - it's probably something completely different - maybe sucking on fabric, etc. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV. She can't take him because of the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch. We've had a few conversations. I have been told the following: the kitty hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and never attacks the other cats. The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in supposed perfect health. There's never been an IFA or Western Blot. I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly use their vet. She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there. When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like carriers and might need a shot to be sedated. That wasn't mentioned the first few conversations. Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me. I know this person is overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT. I am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an adoption? She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't know about doing this. I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need to see what's going on. I got the impression there was a problem with the vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story? How can I best help... Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied experience. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk
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--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 6:43 PM Thanks guys!! you are all AMAZING! thanks so much for the kind offers of monetary help but I just couldn't! the offer is wonderful, but keep your pennies for your babies and your local groups. I'm going to see about doing testing thru a rescue. GOOD NEWS - I met the kitty and he's in good health as are all other babies. She is just eccentric and leery of anyone taking any kitty, which I get. She doesn't like them to leave the home and is worried about that, but we have another possible home visit vet for at least the IFA. She is now comfortable with me getting him tested. I really don't think he's positive, but we'll see. He's 6 and healthy and gorgeous. I am not sure he's the best match for our guy though if he was positive :( The one I met already really seems like a good match. And I was just put in touch with another group that has 2 FeLV females but one is not good with other cats and the other is pending an IFA. It's so hard. I want to help all of them, but need to consider Whimsy's best interest. Still, we'll get this kitty in question checked out. You guys really helped me today because I was very concerned and couldn't sleep last night worrying about this situation. It's not perfect or resolved but at least we know this person is a good caretaker now and I didn't have to steal him away. Although I like Beverly's suggestion to do so --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 2:06 PM Here is the fundraising site http://www.chipin.com/overview --- ___ ___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
