Re: [Felvtalk] Scrappy Angel over the Rainbow Bridge today
Paola, what a lovely description you have given of this loving little spirit. Thank you for sharing his story. A candle tonight at our house for the very special Mr. Scrappy. Sara --Original Mail-- From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com To: leukemia list felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:26:05 -0800 PST Subject: [Felvtalk] Scrappy Angel over the Rainbow Bridge today My little Scrappy boy was coming to the end of his fight, I only had him for 8 months when he walked into my home and was already in bad condition, hence the Scrappy name, I didn't think he was going to live 1 month. at that time. Though I should have named him Angel for all the love he gave me, he'd started responding to Scrappy so I kept calling him that. I've had plenty of cats in my lifetime, not often do they care for face to face contact with people, but he'd look straight into my eyes lean forward and rub his cheek on mine, even placing his paws on my chest to stabilize himself when reaching for me (sometimes I wouldn't realize right away what he was doing). The vet said he was 8 years old, so he must have contracted FeLV as an adult. He'd stopped eating, had labored breathing and had taken to hiding. His sunken eyes lost any indication of light and so we stopped any more injections or treatments and I had to have him laid to rest today. Thank you for reading, and for all the information and support I got from this mail-list Paola ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: This is the problem with most sanctuaries. It's a flawed business model. A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is just not a sustainable model. I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart this earth. Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less than wonderful! They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info about Caboodle please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
I've heard people say it's not good. The ONLY way to check out any sanctuary is by visiting it yourself. NEVER send ANY cat to somewhere you have not visited personally. No limit on the number of cats is DEFINITELY a red flag. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 8:57 AM On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: This is the problem with most sanctuaries. It's a flawed business model. A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is just not a sustainable model. I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart this earth. Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less than wonderful! They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info about Caboodle please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
Unfortunatly a lot of sanctuaries are run by hoarders. There was one near me who was a 501c, but really was nothing but a hoarder with a rescue license. Not all sanctuaries are this way, but you can only be sure by visiting keeping in contact with the people. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 2/24/11, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 4:17 PM This is the problem with most sanctuaries. It's a flawed business model. A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is just not a sustainable model. The few good long term sanctuaries really limit the population. And they very often have an adoption component that allows them to make space by placing animals in good homes. You just can't keep taking animals in with no way to decrease the population. It becomes unwieldy very quickly. --- On Thu, 2/24/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:37 PM There is a place in the Houston area and I have first hand knowledge of what a horrid place this is, yet people still take their cats there. It is called Cat Nap Estates and IN MY OPINION, the woman running it should not care for potted plants. I had her hold two feral cats for a couple of months while we were moving and our house was being built. They went completely vetted, yet they came back with a litney of illnesses and so terrified. The vet said she didn't think the female was ever let out of her carrier because it stunk so badly they had to throw it away. I called the SPCA and made a cruelty report and some of the cats tested positive for Feluk and these cats were in the general population. I have heard other horror stories about her and her sanctuary from others too. She may have started out with good intentions, but the road to h*ll is paved with good intentions. Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:12:39 -0800 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' This is why I warn people to thoroughly check out Sanctuaries This happens time again. Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: atlantares...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:atlantares...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kitty.cat Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:30 PM To: spotsoci...@yahoogroups.com; atlanta Rescue Groups Cc: georgiaanimalres...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [atlantarescue] Fw: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' - Original Message - Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:48 AM Subject: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' A PETA undercover investigation exposed the chronic deprivation and suffering of approximately 300 cats being kept in filthy, stifling, dungeon-like, disease-ridden storage units at Sacred Vision Animal Sanctuary (SVAS) in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. The operator of this so-called quot;sanctuaryquot; warehouses cats in cruel, disgusting conditions. Many of the animals have endured these conditions for years. One cat captured on video--Winky--was found convulsing and dying in a litterbox inside a cage. The operator refused repeated offers for free emergency veterinary care and instead left Winky in a filthy bathroom to languish for more than an hour before the cat finally died. Please click the link below to help end the suffering and death of cats at SVAS now! To take action on this issue, click on the link below: http://www2.peta.org/site/Advocacy?s_oo=PtJIyHJzakKAPa-52Eez-A..id=3583 If the text above does not appear as a link or it wraps across multiple lines, then copy and paste it into the address area of your browser. If you no longer wish to receive email messages sent from your friends on behalf of this organization, please follow the link below: http://www2.peta.org/site/TellFriendOpt?action=optouttoe=c1008561306ab8401a47ff9682e23217733f619a56c5115e __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only,
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
I have not personally visited Caboodle...however, the group I foster for said they would NEVER allow any of their animals to go there. The animals live out of doors (for the most part)and this guy really discourages visitors. So if a cat gets sick and hides ... how will he know? The healthy ones probably enjoy themselves, but he has no way to keep accurate health care records Now, you can take this with a grain of saltthis same group is the one who placed my unadoptable foster momma in the sanctuary that was shut down by Law EnforcementI DID get to see that one and it was nothing short of a concentration camp for cats...I still have nightmares. Debbie ~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:57:43 -0500 From: felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: This is the problem with most sanctuaries. It's a flawed business model. A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is just not a sustainable model. I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart this earth. Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less than wonderful! They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info about Caboodle please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scrappy Angel over the Rainbow Bridge today
Thank you for taking him into your home giving him a good end. I had a little FeLV boy who would put his paws on me hug me, too. Blessings to you and sweet Scrappy. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 2/24/11, paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com wrote: From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Scrappy Angel over the Rainbow Bridge today To: leukemia list felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 11:26 PM My little Scrappy boy was coming to the end of his fight, I only had him for 8 months when he walked into my home and was already in bad condition, hence the Scrappy name, I didn't think he was going to live 1 month. at that time. Though I should have named him Angel for all the love he gave me, he'd started responding to Scrappy so I kept calling him that. I've had plenty of cats in my lifetime, not often do they care for face to face contact with people, but he'd look straight into my eyes lean forward and rub his cheek on mine, even placing his paws on my chest to stabilize himself when reaching for me (sometimes I wouldn't realize right away what he was doing). The vet said he was 8 years old, so he must have contracted FeLV as an adult. He'd stopped eating, had labored breathing and had taken to hiding. His sunken eyes lost any indication of light and so we stopped any more injections or treatments and I had to have him laid to rest today. Thank you for reading, and for all the information and support I got from this mail-list Paola ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
I used to recommend Caboodle to people, but not anymore. There was an expose posted to a site that has now been disabled, but read this article: http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article1151027.ece - Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=Y3BxMzc0NQ%3D%3D Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:57:43 -0500 From: felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: This is the problem with most sanctuaries. It's a flawed business model. A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is just not a sustainable model. I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart this earth. Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less than wonderful! They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info about Caboodle please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
I hope this link works. I live in Florida and know several people who have been to Caboodle. From what I can surmise, it seems it was pretty decent years ago and has possibly declined with illness and the increasing population. Hearing reports of a cat with its eye hanging out (two different people from different areas of florida who don't know each other reported seeing this cat), or an exposed fracture as mentioned in this article, are pretty scary. I've heard some things that suggest it may have been cleaned up some (do not know), but this article was in a local paper in the last few weeks. I don't think much can be worse than being stacked in a carrier or cage for life, but, check it out before leaving an animal is of course the best advice as stated here by others. http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article1151027.ece On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote: I have not personally visited Caboodle...however, the group I foster for said they would NEVER allow any of their animals to go there. The animals live out of doors (for the most part)and this guy really discourages visitors. So if a cat gets sick and hides ... how will he know? The healthy ones probably enjoy themselves, but he has no way to keep accurate health care records Now, you can take this with a grain of saltthis same group is the one who placed my unadoptable foster momma in the sanctuary that was shut down by Law EnforcementI DID get to see that one and it was nothing short of a concentration camp for cats...I still have nightmares. Debbie ~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:57:43 -0500 From: felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: This is the problem with most sanctuaries. It's a flawed business model. A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is just not a sustainable model. I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart this earth. Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less than wonderful! They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info about Caboodle please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the bad category and good folks start them with good intentions and plans and can be successful. But any place your cats move, they will have to make an adjustment. They're probably not used to quantities of cats. Check out the options in your local area, and ask what the procedure is when they take in and care for cats. And for vet care-do they have a vet associated with thir facility? What is the age of the person running the facility and what are their future plans? Are your cats outdoor cats? I think Caboodle Ranch is all outdoor cats. Just some thoughts- Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: This is the problem with most sanctuaries. It's a flawed business model. A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is just not a sustainable model. I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart this earth. Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less than wonderful! They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info about Caboodle please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
The only place I know of that has truly been run successfully for a long time is The Last Post, but even there, I question a few things: https://www.thelastpostonline.org/Home_Page.html , it's really a retirement place for cats., It costs quite a lot of money to place a cat there, and mostly cats whose owners died and made provisions, end up there. The cost is determined by age, health of cat, projecting associated costs, etc. A friend placed two semi-feral cats there for a few thousand dollars - but not many can afford to do this. I know of one on Long Island for FIV/FeLV cats - they mix them, which I don't do, and it seems great on paper and website, but is really awful! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Second Chance Meows Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' Thank you Susan, some of us do keep our population to a minimum to avoid these issues. Sanctuaries like ours run solely on fees and donations or our pockets so we know how hard it can be. Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' This is the problem with most sanctuaries. It's a flawed business model. A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is just not a sustainable model. The few good long term sanctuaries really limit the population. And they very often have an adoption component that allows them to make space by placing animals in good homes. You just can't keep taking animals in with no way to decrease the population. It becomes unwieldy very quickly. --- On Thu, 2/24/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:37 PM There is a place in the Houston area and I have first hand knowledge of what a horrid place this is, yet people still take their cats there. It is called Cat Nap Estates and IN MY OPINION, the woman running it should not care for potted plants. I had her hold two feral cats for a couple of months while we were moving and our house was being built. They went completely vetted, yet they came back with a litney of illnesses and so terrified. The vet said she didn't think the female was ever let out of her carrier because it stunk so badly they had to throw it away. I called the SPCA and made a cruelty report and some of the cats tested positive for Feluk and these cats were in the general population. I have heard other horror stories about her and her sanctuary from others too. She may have started out with good intentions, but the road to h*ll is paved with good intentions. Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:12:39 -0800 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' This is why I warn people to thoroughly check out Sanctuaries This happens time again. Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: atlantares...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:atlantares...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kitty.cat Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:30 PM To: spotsoci...@yahoogroups.com; atlanta Rescue Groups Cc: georgiaanimalres...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [atlantarescue] Fw: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' - Original Message - Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:48 AM Subject: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' A PETA undercover investigation exposed the chronic deprivation and suffering of approximately 300 cats being kept in filthy, stifling, dungeon-like, disease-ridden storage units at Sacred Vision Animal Sanctuary (SVAS) in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. The operator of this so-called quot;sanctuaryquot; warehouses cats in cruel, disgusting conditions. Many of the animals have endured these conditions for years. One cat captured on video--Winky--was found convulsing and dying in a litterbox inside a cage. The operator refused repeated offers for free emergency veterinary care and instead left Winky in a filthy bathroom to languish for more than an hour before the cat finally died. Please
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
I've seen many photos and even a video from Caboodle Ranch...I always wonder, if all cats are outdoors - can't they get out of the area, and how can one monitor them all when one may not know where they are? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 9:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Debbie Bates Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries I hope this link works. I live in Florida and know several people who have been to Caboodle. From what I can surmise, it seems it was pretty decent years ago and has possibly declined with illness and the increasing population. Hearing reports of a cat with its eye hanging out (two different people from different areas of florida who don't know each other reported seeing this cat), or an exposed fracture as mentioned in this article, are pretty scary. I've heard some things that suggest it may have been cleaned up some (do not know), but this article was in a local paper in the last few weeks. I don't think much can be worse than being stacked in a carrier or cage for life, but, check it out before leaving an animal is of course the best advice as stated here by others. http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article1151027.ece On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote: I have not personally visited Caboodle...however, the group I foster for said they would NEVER allow any of their animals to go there. The animals live out of doors (for the most part)and this guy really discourages visitors. So if a cat gets sick and hides ... how will he know? The healthy ones probably enjoy themselves, but he has no way to keep accurate health care records Now, you can take this with a grain of saltthis same group is the one who placed my unadoptable foster momma in the sanctuary that was shut down by Law EnforcementI DID get to see that one and it was nothing short of a concentration camp for cats...I still have nightmares. Debbie ~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:57:43 -0500 From: felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: This is the problem with most sanctuaries. It's a flawed business model. A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is just not a sustainable model. I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart this earth. Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less than wonderful! They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info about Caboodle please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scrappy Angel over the Rainbow Bridge today
Paola, I was saddened to read that Scrappy has crossed the Rainbow Bridge. You had 8 wonderful months together. He was loved and loved you. That's what is important. You are in our thoughts and prayers Sharyl From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com To: leukemia list felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 11:26:05 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Scrappy Angel over the Rainbow Bridge today My little Scrappy boy was coming to the end of his fight, I only had him for 8 months when he walked into my home and was already in bad condition, hence the Scrappy name, I didn't think he was going to live 1 month. at that time. Though I should have named him Angel for all the love he gave me, he'd started responding to Scrappy so I kept calling him that. I've had plenty of cats in my lifetime, not often do they care for face to face contact with people, but he'd look straight into my eyes lean forward and rub his cheek on mine, even placing his paws on my chest to stabilize himself when reaching for me (sometimes I wouldn't realize right away what he was doing). The vet said he was 8 years old, so he must have contracted FeLV as an adult. He'd stopped eating, had labored breathing and had taken to hiding. His sunken eyes lost any indication of light and so we stopped any more injections or treatments and I had to have him laid to rest today. Thank you for reading, and for all the information and support I got from this mail-list Paola ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
If you are considering any sanctuary for your animals, please visit that sanctuary personally to see how the animals are cared for and if it is what it says it is. Our special needs sanctuary for felines has five very nice buildings and a brand new large sixth building is being completed or will be by March. It will have a clinic room for our med tech and spay/neuter clinics, a storage bay, overnight guest 'apartment' for volunteers who come and help us and room for cats. The PETA report on the S.C. sanctuary is horrific and it also gives the word 'sanctuary' a bad rap. We need more positive stories. Just be sure to visit if you take an animal to any so called 'sanctuary. It is very important. We always tell people to come either first, or take the kitty home with you if we are not the fit for your cat. It is the staff that makes the difference for us, the board and our volunteers as well. We have a couple cats coming from a so-called 'rescue' (gone bad) and the animal welfare groups we are working with are doing what they can for the animals. The cats have been kept i 1.2 x2' cages one since she was 9 weeks old and she is 5 years old now. Needless to say she is kind of 'crazy' and adoption challenged. I have never been to Caboodle Ranch but there have been many problems there. On Facebook you will find a lot of information from Caboodles Angels, all who have taken a cat there and it went missing very quickly.. Carmen and furs at Rustic Hollow Shelter. www.rustichollowshelter.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
I can personally vouch for Carmen's CW sanctuary. She takes VERY GOOD care of her residents. My Milo was treated like a king there. Alice Hanson - Original Message - From: Carmen Conklinmailto:cwshel...@wildblue.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries If you are considering any sanctuary for your animals, please visit that sanctuary personally to see how the animals are cared for and if it is what it says it is. Our special needs sanctuary for felines has five very nice buildings and a brand new large sixth building is being completed or will be by March. It will have a clinic room for our med tech and spay/neuter clinics, a storage bay, overnight guest 'apartment' for volunteers who come and help us and room for cats. The PETA report on the S.C. sanctuary is horrific and it also gives the word 'sanctuary' a bad rap. We need more positive stories. Just be sure to visit if you take an animal to any so called 'sanctuary. It is very important. We always tell people to come either first, or take the kitty home with you if we are not the fit for your cat. It is the staff that makes the difference for us, the board and our volunteers as well. We have a couple cats coming from a so-called 'rescue' (gone bad) and the animal welfare groups we are working with are doing what they can for the animals. The cats have been kept i 1.2 x2' cages one since she was 9 weeks old and she is 5 years old now. Needless to say she is kind of 'crazy' and adoption challenged. I have never been to Caboodle Ranch but there have been many problems there. On Facebook you will find a lot of information from Caboodles Angels, all who have taken a cat there and it went missing very quickly.. Carmen and furs at Rustic Hollow Shelter. www.rustichollowshelter.orghttp://www.rustichollowshelter.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
The few truly good sanctuaries that I have encountered have been small operations with multiple humans living on site. --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net wrote: From: Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 2:26 PM If you are considering any sanctuary for your animals, please visit that sanctuary personally to see how the animals are cared for and if it is what it says it is. Our special needs sanctuary for felines has five very nice buildings and a brand new large sixth building is being completed or will be by March. It will have a clinic room for our med tech and spay/neuter clinics, a storage bay, overnight guest 'apartment' for volunteers who come and help us and room for cats. The PETA report on the S.C. sanctuary is horrific and it also gives the word 'sanctuary' a bad rap. We need more positive stories. Just be sure to visit if you take an animal to any so called 'sanctuary. It is very important. We always tell people to come either first, or take the kitty home with you if we are not the fit for your cat. It is the staff that makes the difference for us, the board and our volunteers as well. We have a couple cats coming from a so-called 'rescue' (gone bad) and the animal welfare groups we are working with are doing what they can for the animals. The cats have been kept i 1.2 x2' cages one since she was 9 weeks old and she is 5 years old now. Needless to say she is kind of 'crazy' and adoption challenged. I have never been to Caboodle Ranch but there have been many problems there. On Facebook you will find a lot of information from Caboodles Angels, all who have taken a cat there and it went missing very quickly.. Carmen and furs at Rustic Hollow Shelter. www.rustichollowshelter.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
Do people ever start what is basically a very small in-home sanctuary to help take care of almost 10 multiple rescued cats, and some outdoor ferals because they don't believe in risking the cats to the shelter systems? Is that too small a number of animals to be considered a sanctuary non-profit? On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.comwrote: The few truly good sanctuaries that I have encountered have been small operations with multiple humans living on site. --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net wrote: From: Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 2:26 PM If you are considering any sanctuary for your animals, please visit that sanctuary personally to see how the animals are cared for and if it is what it says it is. Our special needs sanctuary for felines has five very nice buildings and a brand new large sixth building is being completed or will be by March. It will have a clinic room for our med tech and spay/neuter clinics, a storage bay, overnight guest 'apartment' for volunteers who come and help us and room for cats. The PETA report on the S.C. sanctuary is horrific and it also gives the word 'sanctuary' a bad rap. We need more positive stories. Just be sure to visit if you take an animal to any so called 'sanctuary. It is very important. We always tell people to come either first, or take the kitty home with you if we are not the fit for your cat. It is the staff that makes the difference for us, the board and our volunteers as well. We have a couple cats coming from a so-called 'rescue' (gone bad) and the animal welfare groups we are working with are doing what they can for the animals. The cats have been kept i 1.2 x2' cages one since she was 9 weeks old and she is 5 years old now. Needless to say she is kind of 'crazy' and adoption challenged. I have never been to Caboodle Ranch but there have been many problems there. On Facebook you will find a lot of information from Caboodles Angels, all who have taken a cat there and it went missing very quickly.. Carmen and furs at Rustic Hollow Shelter. www.rustichollowshelter.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a sanctuary or the number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is being publicly and NOT privately supported. There's a one year advance ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the public, then one is granted permanent status. I always question the word sanctuary - Audubon has opened their sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dana giordano Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 6:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries Do people ever start what is basically a very small in-home sanctuary to help take care of almost 10 multiple rescued cats, and some outdoor ferals because they don't believe in risking the cats to the shelter systems? Is that too small a number of animals to be considered a sanctuary non-profit? On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.comwrote: The few truly good sanctuaries that I have encountered have been small operations with multiple humans living on site. --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net wrote: From: Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 2:26 PM If you are considering any sanctuary for your animals, please visit that sanctuary personally to see how the animals are cared for and if it is what it says it is. Our special needs sanctuary for felines has five very nice buildings and a brand new large sixth building is being completed or will be by March. It will have a clinic room for our med tech and spay/neuter clinics, a storage bay, overnight guest 'apartment' for volunteers who come and help us and room for cats. The PETA report on the S.C. sanctuary is horrific and it also gives the word 'sanctuary' a bad rap. We need more positive stories. Just be sure to visit if you take an animal to any so called 'sanctuary. It is very important. We always tell people to come either first, or take the kitty home with you if we are not the fit for your cat. It is the staff that makes the difference for us, the board and our volunteers as well. We have a couple cats coming from a so-called 'rescue' (gone bad) and the animal welfare groups we are working with are doing what they can for the animals. The cats have been kept i 1.2 x2' cages one since she was 9 weeks old and she is 5 years old now. Needless to say she is kind of 'crazy' and adoption challenged. I have never been to Caboodle Ranch but there have been many problems there. On Facebook you will find a lot of information from Caboodles Angels, all who have taken a cat there and it went missing very quickly.. Carmen and furs at Rustic Hollow Shelter. www.rustichollowshelter.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Rosie's biopsy results-BAD
She has a very aggressive lymphoma. This was the biopsy on her lump in the throat / neck area. Started on Pred and ordering Leukeran. Staying on Interferon and may give LTCI. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
I too had this concern as I run a small rescue as well as having several cats and dogs of my own. In my 60's, live along female. I finally talked to a lawyer while arranging my will and found the thing that makes me feel best. I allocated a certain lump sum per animal ($500/cat, $1000/dog as I couldn't afford to set up a trust altho am still considering that) in my will for any and all animals alive at the time of my death. This money goes to the local no kill shelter or humane society to be used specifically for each animal with the sole purpose of allowing it to live its' full, natural life in a healthy and natural manner, adopted or fostered if possible and NOT to be euthanized unless two vets concur it is a medical neccessity. Best I could do but it will hopefully serve the purpose. Anybody have any ideas on how I can make it more air tight? I don't know if I would have much more money than that as I don't own much but I have asked my one sister to allow it from life insurance if necessary and she has agreed. Good luck. and NEVER allow your animals to go anywhere you haven't visited and seen several times, at several times of day, unnanounced if possible. kat On 2/25/11, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: This is the problem with most sanctuaries. It's a flawed business model. A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is just not a sustainable model. I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart this earth. Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less than wonderful! They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info about Caboodle please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
If hubby and I die before my furkids, my sister gets our house and insurance and will take our kitties, she has 6 of her own and I trust her with my life. She can sell the house or live in it and will have more than enough to take care of them for the rest of their lives. If we all die in a car accident, my vet will get everything and said she will take care of our furkids. Hopefully that covers them!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period. http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a sanctuary or the number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is being publicly and NOT privately supported. There's a one year advance ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the public, then one is granted permanent status. I always question the word sanctuary - Audubon has opened their sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
As far as the original article goes, it was an article by PETA, which I trust about as far as I can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you ever tried it)? PETA operates a shelter with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to other shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes. They were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or something of that nature. Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to worry about them. PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy looking at animals from a distance. They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill a fly on TV. I think they are nutty as fruit cakes. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period. http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a sanctuary or the number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is being publicly and NOT privately supported. There's a one year advance ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the public, then one is granted permanent status. I always question the word sanctuary - Audubon has opened their sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
