Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test
I agree with everyone else. The virus has probably gotten in her system since she's had two positive ELISA tests but there is a chance she could fight it off before it goes any further. If she does extinguish the virus she'll eventually test negative on both the ELISA and the IFA. If her system can't get rid of the virus then eventually she'll test positive on the IFA. (Course there is the possibility that both ELISA tests were wrong but probably not very likely). If you can keep her for a bit then re-test it would be better to give her time to see if she fights the virus off. It's harder for kittens to fight the virus but not impossible. I have heard of kittens fighting it off so if you can give her a little time so she has a chance for her immune system to do it's magic that would be the better option I would think. This lady with the FeLV sanctuary must be a wonderful person to do what she does. I don't think she understands the mechanics of how FeLV works though and how it gets into the body and then progresses. I'm not an expert but I have read lots and talked with several vets and of course everyone here knows a lot so I think the lady is mistaken in what she told you. She may have been talking about lymphoma which is one thing that can happen to a cat with FeLV. But it's no guarantee that that is what will happen with Poppy even if she can't fight the virus off. Some cats get a kind of severe anemia or several other things can happen, but some cats live with FeLV for a long long time and never have trouble. We were just talking about the 11 year old cat with FeLV. At the same time I had been talking with someone in my Feline Asthma group that just had a 16 year old cat that died and they discovered FeLV. They knew for sure the cat could have only gotten it as a kitten so she lived for 16 years with it which is a long time. So some cats just defy odds and live a long life so you can't say for certain how Poppy will do even if she has FeLV. Like I said, wonderful lady but it doesn't sound like she knows a lot about FeLV. Maybe she's just telling you stuff based on her personal experience with it. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:06:28 -0500 From: pam_nor...@charter.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test Good idea, but no, it was a blood test. Both Elisas. On 4/18/2011 4:21 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote: Just a wild thought... Was the Elisa done by using blood on test strip or saliva/tears??? Some vets may be still doing saliva/tears test its notorious for being wrong. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Norman Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 4:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test She is not positive on the IFA, she is negative. An initial positive on the Elisa the another positive on the Elisa, but at the same time, a negative on the IFA. On 4/18/2011 1:09 PM, TANYA NOE wrote: Positive on IFA means it has reached the bone barrow and there is no clearing the virus. If she is positive on the snap test again (and it has been at least 6 weeks since she last tested positive) then she is FeLV positive, but you need to wait the full 6 weeks to give her body time to clear the vius. There is still a slight chance she could clear the virus from her body even if it has been 6 weeks but most likely she will not. I have spoken with the maker of the snap test because we were always told that there we a lot of false positives and at my clinic there were probably 2-3 of every 10 tests that were positive, but IDEXX says that the tests are 99.999% accurate. Whether you mix or not is completely up to you. We mixed our girls 2 years ago. Since cats over the age of 1-2 years of age begin to develop a natural immunity and our negative cat is properly vaccinated the risk of the non-positive contracting FeLV is small. There is still a risk but it is very small. I hope this helps and thanks for taking care of this kitty!! Tanya --- On Mon, 4/18/11, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net wrote: From: Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 10:38 AM Test is in from IDEXX. Poppy is IFA negative! BUT they did another Elisa (the first was done in-house) she is still Elisa positive. So tell me now what this means. I have to go off to Madison right now but when I get back I will re-read
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives
I have been e-mailing with a vet friend and she says most researchers these days feel that adult cats are pretty well resistant to the disease, even if not vaccinated. I bet Sugar will be fine. I've just had 5 of my cats tested that are not vaccinated (think I already told you this) but lived with my FeLV + kitty for two years and those 5 are negative. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:22:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives I always love to hear positive experiences with FeLV+ cats. I still hope that mine will continue to test negative. May 9th can't get here soon enough for me! - Original Message - From: POTT, BEVERLY p...@mailbox.sc.edu To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives I had a cat with FELV that lived to be 17. I never separated him from my other cats, they ate out of the same bowls, etc., and none of them ever contracted the disease. The other ones were vaccinated against it. I've also had 2 other positives living with my negative cats (one lived to be 4, the other 8), and none of my other cats ever contracted it. My brother, too, had a positive cat that lived to be 17- and he, too, never separated his cats out. None of his other cats (vaccinated) ever contracted Feleuk. Just sayin'. -Original Message- From: Pam Norman [mailto:pam_nor...@charter.net] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading reading from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace
He did awesome. That's quite the palace for her. I can tell you guys put a lot of thought into how you set it up also. You two are quite the pair. Amber is so lucky to have stumbled across you and your wonderful husband. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:19:26 -0700 From: jannestay...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Luckily, I have a soft hearted hubby who spent many hours working on this. He is not a carpenter by any means, but did pretty good for a rookie. Jannes From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 1:40:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Wow, nice little apartment she's got there! She's a real cutie, too. Looks a bit like my cat, Miya-Chan. She looks good healthy too. How nice of you to do this for her! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jannestay...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace QueenJMT http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?track=share_email_album_v iew_click I wanted share something on Photobucket with you! If you are having problems viewing this email, copy and paste the following into your browser: http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?showNotificationLB=1trac k=share_email_album_view_click Photobucket.com - http://photobucket.com Join the biggest image and video sharing service in the world. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives
Maureen, this is so comforting! I'm waiting until May 9th (it will be his second test since exposure but only within 2 mos - my vet wants me to wait 3 mos. before she thinks he is safe). I do understand that his chances of contracting it are a lot less than if he were a kitten. I'm so glad he is 2 yrs old. He so misses his companion and longs for another. Another companion would keep him more active. He loved to be chased up and down the stairs and he no longer gets that exercise (he won't let me chase him, imagine that!). I'm still a little worried but not so much like I was. Thanks for all the support from everyone and let's all still pray for Poppy :0) Have a great week! Lynda - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives I have been e-mailing with a vet friend and she says most researchers these days feel that adult cats are pretty well resistant to the disease, even if not vaccinated. I bet Sugar will be fine. I've just had 5 of my cats tested that are not vaccinated (think I already told you this) but lived with my FeLV + kitty for two years and those 5 are negative. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:22:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives I always love to hear positive experiences with FeLV+ cats. I still hope that mine will continue to test negative. May 9th can't get here soon enough for me! - Original Message - From: POTT, BEVERLY p...@mailbox.sc.edu To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives I had a cat with FELV that lived to be 17. I never separated him from my other cats, they ate out of the same bowls, etc., and none of them ever contracted the disease. The other ones were vaccinated against it. I've also had 2 other positives living with my negative cats (one lived to be 4, the other 8), and none of my other cats ever contracted it. My brother, too, had a positive cat that lived to be 17- and he, too, never separated his cats out. None of his other cats (vaccinated) ever contracted Feleuk. Just sayin'. -Original Message- From: Pam Norman [mailto:pam_nor...@charter.net] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading reading from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace
Thank you. We are glad we could do something for her. I don't think I will ever forget how pitiful she was when we found her. Jannes From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 1:38:50 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace He did awesome. That's quite the palace for her. I can tell you guys put a lot of thought into how you set it up also. You two are quite the pair. Amber is so lucky to have stumbled across you and your wonderful husband. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:19:26 -0700 From: jannestay...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Luckily, I have a soft hearted hubby who spent many hours working on this. He is not a carpenter by any means, but did pretty good for a rookie. Jannes From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 1:40:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Wow, nice little apartment she's got there! She's a real cutie, too. Looks a bit like my cat, Miya-Chan. She looks good healthy too. How nice of you to do this for her! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jannestay...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace QueenJMT http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?track=share_email_album_v iew_click I wanted share something on Photobucket with you! If you are having problems viewing this email, copy and paste the following into your browser: http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?showNotificationLB=1trac k=share_email_album_view_click Photobucket.com - http://photobucket.com Join the biggest image and video sharing service in the world. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace
Forgive me if this has already been said I haven't had time to read all the posts to this thread. The kitty palace is great! I don't know that I could have built something so nice. Have you thought about getting her a buddy? There are so many FeLV kitties in need of a home and she may get lonely. We kept ours separate initially by building a door to cover the stairway from 1st floor to the 2nd floor. We tried to share our time equally, but our little Maggie still was so very lonely. Now we have been a mixed family for 2.5 years. Just a thought! Tanya --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 2:38 AM He did awesome. That's quite the palace for her. I can tell you guys put a lot of thought into how you set it up also. You two are quite the pair. Amber is so lucky to have stumbled across you and your wonderful husband. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:19:26 -0700 From: jannestay...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Luckily, I have a soft hearted hubby who spent many hours working on this. He is not a carpenter by any means, but did pretty good for a rookie. Jannes From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 1:40:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Wow, nice little apartment she's got there! She's a real cutie, too. Looks a bit like my cat, Miya-Chan. She looks good healthy too. How nice of you to do this for her! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jannestay...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace QueenJMT http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?track=share_email_album_v iew_click I wanted share something on Photobucket with you! If you are having problems viewing this email, copy and paste the following into your browser: http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?showNotificationLB=1trac k=share_email_album_view_click Photobucket.com - http://photobucket.com Join the biggest image and video sharing service in the world. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace
Yes, I did think about getting her a buddy but I am having her retested in June. Supposedly she is over a year old. Everyone keeps talking about an adult cat being able to fight off the virus. I just hope the condition she was in when I found her did not keep her from doing so. She was starving and so skinny. Her gums were pale as well. I will do the IFA test too in June. My heart goes out to all the Felv kitties. I do have to say that this experience has shown me how many wonderful caring people there are out in this world who give so much of themselves to help our animal population. I must note that my husband is NOT a carpenter so building the kitty palace was not an easy endeavour for him. If may not be perfect in the physical sense but it is pur-fect for little Amber. :) Jannes From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 2:50:10 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Forgive me if this has already been said I haven't had time to read all the posts to this thread. The kitty palace is great! I don't know that I could have built something so nice. Have you thought about getting her a buddy? There are so many FeLV kitties in need of a home and she may get lonely. We kept ours separate initially by building a door to cover the stairway from 1st floor to the 2nd floor. We tried to share our time equally, but our little Maggie still was so very lonely. Now we have been a mixed family for 2.5 years. Just a thought! Tanya --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 2:38 AM He did awesome. That's quite the palace for her. I can tell you guys put a lot of thought into how you set it up also. You two are quite the pair. Amber is so lucky to have stumbled across you and your wonderful husband. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:19:26 -0700 From: jannestay...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Luckily, I have a soft hearted hubby who spent many hours working on this. He is not a carpenter by any means, but did pretty good for a rookie. Jannes From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 1:40:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Wow, nice little apartment she's got there! She's a real cutie, too. Looks a bit like my cat, Miya-Chan. She looks good healthy too. How nice of you to do this for her! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jannestay...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace QueenJMT http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?track=share_email_album_v iew_click I wanted share something on Photobucket with you! If you are having problems viewing this email, copy and paste the following into your browser: http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?showNotificationLB=1trac k=share_email_album_view_click Photobucket.com - http://photobucket.com Join the biggest image and video sharing service in the world. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace
I've never been able to pull up the photos. On Apr 19, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Jannes Taylor wrote: Yes, I did think about getting her a buddy but I am having her retested in June. Supposedly she is over a year old. Everyone keeps talking about an adult cat being able to fight off the virus. I just hope the condition she was in when I found her did not keep her from doing so. She was starving and so skinny. Her gums were pale as well. I will do the IFA test too in June. My heart goes out to all the Felv kitties. I do have to say that this experience has shown me how many wonderful caring people there are out in this world who give so much of themselves to help our animal population. I must note that my husband is NOT a carpenter so building the kitty palace was not an easy endeavour for him. If may not be perfect in the physical sense but it is pur-fect for little Amber. :) Jannes From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 2:50:10 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Forgive me if this has already been said I haven't had time to read all the posts to this thread. The kitty palace is great! I don't know that I could have built something so nice. Have you thought about getting her a buddy? There are so many FeLV kitties in need of a home and she may get lonely. We kept ours separate initially by building a door to cover the stairway from 1st floor to the 2nd floor. We tried to share our time equally, but our little Maggie still was so very lonely. Now we have been a mixed family for 2.5 years. Just a thought! Tanya --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 2:38 AM He did awesome. That's quite the palace for her. I can tell you guys put a lot of thought into how you set it up also. You two are quite the pair. Amber is so lucky to have stumbled across you and your wonderful husband. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:19:26 -0700 From: jannestay...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Luckily, I have a soft hearted hubby who spent many hours working on this. He is not a carpenter by any means, but did pretty good for a rookie. Jannes From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 1:40:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Wow, nice little apartment she's got there! She's a real cutie, too. Looks a bit like my cat, Miya-Chan. She looks good healthy too. How nice of you to do this for her! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jannestay...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace QueenJMT http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?track=share_email_album_v iew_click I wanted share something on Photobucket with you! If you are having problems viewing this email, copy and paste the following into your browser: http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?showNotificationLB=1trac k=share_email_album_view_click Photobucket.com - http://photobucket.com Join the biggest image and video sharing service in the world. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace
Please try this link for the photos of Amber's kitty palace. http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?track=share_email_album_view_click Jannes From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 4:07:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace I've never been able to pull up the photos. On Apr 19, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Jannes Taylor wrote: Yes, I did think about getting her a buddy but I am having her retested in June. Supposedly she is over a year old. Everyone keeps talking about an adult cat being able to fight off the virus. I just hope the condition she was in when I found her did not keep her from doing so. She was starving and so skinny. Her gums were pale as well. I will do the IFA test too in June. My heart goes out to all the Felv kitties. I do have to say that this experience has shown me how many wonderful caring people there are out in this world who give so much of themselves to help our animal population. I must note that my husband is NOT a carpenter so building the kitty palace was not an easy endeavour for him. If may not be perfect in the physical sense but it is pur-fect for little Amber. :) Jannes From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 2:50:10 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Forgive me if this has already been said I haven't had time to read all the posts to this thread. The kitty palace is great! I don't know that I could have built something so nice. Have you thought about getting her a buddy? There are so many FeLV kitties in need of a home and she may get lonely. We kept ours separate initially by building a door to cover the stairway from 1st floor to the 2nd floor. We tried to share our time equally, but our little Maggie still was so very lonely. Now we have been a mixed family for 2.5 years. Just a thought! Tanya --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 2:38 AM He did awesome. That's quite the palace for her. I can tell you guys put a lot of thought into how you set it up also. You two are quite the pair. Amber is so lucky to have stumbled across you and your wonderful husband. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:19:26 -0700 From: jannestay...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Luckily, I have a soft hearted hubby who spent many hours working on this. He is not a carpenter by any means, but did pretty good for a rookie. Jannes From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 1:40:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Wow, nice little apartment she's got there! She's a real cutie, too. Looks a bit like my cat, Miya-Chan. She looks good healthy too. How nice of you to do this for her! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jannestay...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace QueenJMT http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?track=share_email_album_v iew_click I wanted share something on Photobucket with you! If you are having problems viewing this email, copy and paste the following into your browser: http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?showNotificationLB=1trac k=share_email_album_view_click Photobucket.com - http://photobucket.com Join the biggest image and video sharing service in the world. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace
That is wonderful. I would like to find a plan so my boys can spend time outside. I got Dixie a 10x10x6 kennel for a screened in porch (perfect for a dainty little girl and her Person) but two big boys.? She looks like a very happy, lucky little girl. Bless you. On Apr 19, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Jannes Taylor wrote: Please try this link for the photos of Amber's kitty palace. http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?track=share_email_album_view_click Jannes From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 4:07:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace I've never been able to pull up the photos. On Apr 19, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Jannes Taylor wrote: Yes, I did think about getting her a buddy but I am having her retested in June. Supposedly she is over a year old. Everyone keeps talking about an adult cat being able to fight off the virus. I just hope the condition she was in when I found her did not keep her from doing so. She was starving and so skinny. Her gums were pale as well. I will do the IFA test too in June. My heart goes out to all the Felv kitties. I do have to say that this experience has shown me how many wonderful caring people there are out in this world who give so much of themselves to help our animal population. I must note that my husband is NOT a carpenter so building the kitty palace was not an easy endeavour for him. If may not be perfect in the physical sense but it is pur-fect for little Amber. :) Jannes From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 2:50:10 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Forgive me if this has already been said I haven't had time to read all the posts to this thread. The kitty palace is great! I don't know that I could have built something so nice. Have you thought about getting her a buddy? There are so many FeLV kitties in need of a home and she may get lonely. We kept ours separate initially by building a door to cover the stairway from 1st floor to the 2nd floor. We tried to share our time equally, but our little Maggie still was so very lonely. Now we have been a mixed family for 2.5 years. Just a thought! Tanya --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 2:38 AM He did awesome. That's quite the palace for her. I can tell you guys put a lot of thought into how you set it up also. You two are quite the pair. Amber is so lucky to have stumbled across you and your wonderful husband. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:19:26 -0700 From: jannestay...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Luckily, I have a soft hearted hubby who spent many hours working on this. He is not a carpenter by any means, but did pretty good for a rookie. Jannes From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 1:40:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Wow, nice little apartment she's got there! She's a real cutie, too. Looks a bit like my cat, Miya-Chan. She looks good healthy too. How nice of you to do this for her! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jannestay...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace QueenJMT http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?track=share_email_album_v iew_click I wanted share something on Photobucket with you! If you are having problems viewing this email, copy and paste the following into your browser: http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?showNotificationLB=1trac k=share_email_album_view_click Photobucket.com - http://photobucket.com Join the biggest image and video sharing service in the world. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace
I finally got the pictures. That is a great palace! It gves me ideas for an outdoor room for my pride. It would come in handy during hunting season when I usually keep them inside lest a hunter shoot them for costing him a shot or the mountain lin gets hungry. I have been thinking of building an outside room for them that they could come and go from house to outside thru a cat door. Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote: Please try this link for the photos of Amber's kitty palace. http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?track=share_email_album_view_click Jannes From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 4:07:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace I've never been able to pull up the photos. On Apr 19, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Jannes Taylor wrote: Yes, I did think about getting her a buddy but I am having her retested in June. Supposedly she is over a year old. Everyone keeps talking about an adult cat being able to fight off the virus. I just hope the condition she was in when I found her did not keep her from doing so. She was starving and so skinny. Her gums were pale as well. I will do the IFA test too in June. My heart goes out to all the Felv kitties. I do have to say that this experience has shown me how many wonderful caring people there are out in this world who give so much of themselves to help our animal population. I must note that my husband is NOT a carpenter so building the kitty palace was not an easy endeavour for him. If may not be perfect in the physical sense but it is pur-fect for little Amber. :) Jannes From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 2:50:10 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Forgive me if this has already been said I haven't had time to read all the posts to this thread. The kitty palace is great! I don't know that I could have built something so nice. Have you thought about getting her a buddy? There are so many FeLV kitties in need of a home and she may get lonely. We kept ours separate initially by building a door to cover the stairway from 1st floor to the 2nd floor. We tried to share our time equally, but our little Maggie still was so very lonely. Now we have been a mixed family for 2.5 years. Just a thought! Tanya --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 2:38 AM He did awesome. That's quite the palace for her. I can tell you guys put a lot of thought into how you set it up also. You two are quite the pair. Amber is so lucky to have stumbled across you and your wonderful husband. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:19:26 -0700 From: jannestay...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Luckily, I have a soft hearted hubby who spent many hours working on this. He is not a carpenter by any means, but did pretty good for a rookie. Jannes From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 1:40:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Wow, nice little apartment she's got there! She's a real cutie, too. Looks a bit like my cat, Miya-Chan. She looks good healthy too. How nice of you to do this for her! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jannestay...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace QueenJMT http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?track=share_email_album_v iew_click I wanted share something on Photobucket with you! If you are having problems viewing this email, copy and paste the following into your browser: http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?showNotificationLB=1trac k=share_email_album_view_click Photobucket.com - http://photobucket.com Join the biggest image and video sharing service in the world. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace
Amber sounds like my Lil Bit. She spends all day in my bedroom on the bed coming down only to use her box and drink from her wate bowl in the shower. I tried taking her outide and she clung to me and would not get down. She was shaking so that I took her back inside. I got her from Pals (no kill shelter) at the age of 10. Before that se belonged to a pet sitter (who had 23 cats). She had a large chain link fenced area for her cats. I know she took good care of her babies but what happened to Lil Bit before that heaven only knows. Like you say, I wish they could talk, then maybe we could help them overcome their fears. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Now it really is ideal - you cannot imagine how much difference this has made in our garage for the cat condos...we started this years ago and have had no URIs at all since then, unless a sick cat comes in! Those lights truly are amazing! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 10:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace You are going to love this! I forgot to mention that we put a full spectrum light inside the palace. Look closely at the photos. It shows up in one of them. My hubby won't leave the basement lit up all day, but we leave the lights on in the palace. Jannes From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 9:40:49 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace If you could get some full-spectrum lights in the basement, it would be even more ideal! Lucky girl! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 7:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace It is in the basement. I let her roam free in the basement every chance I get. Even though the palace is 8 feet long, 4 feet wide, and six feet tall, she still likes to get out of it for a while. I can roll it outside but she doesn't really like that. It seems to make her nervous when she is outdoors. Poor thing, I wish she could talk so I could know her story! She is too tame and sweet from the beginning to be a feral cat. Somebody must have just decided they did not want her anymore and basically threw her away. I the photos I had rolled it close to the basment garage door opening so she could see the outdoors. It is when I roll it completely outside that she gets the most nervous. Jannes From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 1:50:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace Jannes, Is there access from the house or do you take her out there? Pam On 4/17/2011 11:15 AM, Jannes Taylor wrote: Hello Everyone, Please dlick on this link to see photos of Amber's new kitty palace.div style=width:480px;text-align:right;embed width=480 height=360 src=http://static.pbsrc.com/flash/rss_slideshow.swf; flashvars=rssFeed=http%3A%2F%2Ffeed1113.photobucket.com% Amber is the felv positive kitty we rescued 7 weeks ago. She was on death's door just absolutely starving and did not look well. She had no energy to even play. After 7 weeks of TLC and good food it is hard for me to believe she has any issues at all. I have three healthy cats upstairs and I am not willing to take the chance of exposing them to the virus even though they have been vaccinated against felv. I am so glad I did not have Amber euthanized! The vet was leaning in that direction. God bless you all for all that you do for our sweet feline friends. Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Your husband is a rookie? He should go into business making palaces. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: He did awesome. That's quite the palace for her. I can tell you guys put a lot of thought into how you set it up also. You two are quite the pair. Amber is so lucky to have stumbled across you and your wonderful husband. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:19:26 -0700 From: jannestay...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Luckily, I have a soft hearted hubby who spent many hours working on this. He is not a carpenter by any means, but did pretty good for a rookie. Jannes From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 1:40:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace Wow, nice little apartment she's got there! She's a real cutie, too. Looks a bit like my cat, Miya-Chan. She looks good healthy too. How nice of you to do this for her! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jannestay...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace QueenJMT http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?track=share_email_album_v iew_click I wanted share something on Photobucket with you! If you are having problems viewing this email, copy and paste the following into your browser: http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/QueenJMT/?showNotificationLB=1trac k=share_email_album_view_click Photobucket.com - http://photobucket.com Join the biggest image and video sharing service in the world. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
