Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-07 Thread Cindy McHugh

Hi Kat,

I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth 
recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything I 
read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets.  Oddly 
enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the 
vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit.


Cindy

- Original Message - 
From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: katofohio katofo...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now



Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico?  I buy the
powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get
it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am
co-founder of and maybe to her too.
And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human
interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon
Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help
save our furrbabies lives...
Thanks
Kat
A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio
katofo...@gmail.com

On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico?
The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International
Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at
big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to -
very handy for them!
All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral
suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they 
are

ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats'
certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a
fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same 
thing,

even though we get 50% discount.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/

You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference 
and

the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in 
the

world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade 
everywhere

else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and 
simple.
However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse 
potential

in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package 
from

Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its 
refrigeration
and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the 
honor.



So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people 
and

senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Amoxi

2011-07-07 Thread Lorrie
HERE IS ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED ABOUT ORDERING PET MEDS
ON LINE WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION.

Three websites listed below - None require presciptions

www.petshed.com -- Advantage, revolution, Profender (new topical
dewormer)

www.revivalanimal.com -- vaccines, Drontal dewormer

www.1drugstore-online.com -- antibiotics, antiprotozoal, assorted
other meds 

All great prices and very reliable.  1drugstore-online is based in
Thailand and petshed.com is in Australia so usually with the first
order your bank will want to verify that it is not a fraudalent
charge so don't be surprised to get a call from your bank with your
first overseas purchase.

Amoxi can be bought in the US without a prescription. Buy Fish Mox.
This is the same amoxicillin as any other, it is just packaged for
fish and requires no script. It comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. 
The dose for cats is 5 to 10 mg per pound once or twice a day.  I
usually open the capsules and mix 2.5 ml of water for each 250 mg
capsule, so each .5 ml of the mix is a 50 mg dose for average cat. 
You might want to mix it with 5 ml of water per 250 mg capsule so it
would be easier to draw up the right dose for a small kitten.  Once
mixed, it must be refrigerated and will last about 10 days.  Be sure
to shake well before every dose as it separates very quickly.


If you need more punch than that, you can get clavamox pills and zithromax
capsules from overseas with no script.  Be sure you know what to buy and
what dosage to use before giving any meds.
 














On 07-06, katskat1 wrote:
 Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico?  I buy the
 powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get
 it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am
 co-founder of and maybe to her too.
 And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human
 interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon
 Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help
 save our furrbabies lives...
 Thanks
 Kat
 A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio
 katofo...@gmail.com
 
 On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
  Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico?
  The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International
  Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at
  big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to -
  very handy for them!
  All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral
  suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they are
  ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats'
  certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a
  fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same thing,
  even though we get 50% discount.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
  Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
  http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/
 
  You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
  the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
  availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in the
  world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
  worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
  that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere
  else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
  Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple.
  However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential
  in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
  and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from
  Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
  import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
  and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor.
 
 
  So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and
  senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
  Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
  cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Amoxi

2011-07-07 Thread Lorrie

HERE IS THE INFORMATION YOU NEED ABOUT ORDERING PET MEDS
ON LINE WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION.

Three websites are listed below - None require presciptions

www.petshed.com -- Advantage, revolution, Profender (new topical
dewormer)

www.revivalanimal.com -- vaccines, Drontal dewormer

www.1drugstore-online.com -- antibiotics, antiprotozoal, assorted
other meds 

All great prices and very reliable.  1drugstore-online is based in
Thailand and petshed.com is in Australia so usually with the first
order your bank will want to verify that it is not a fraudalent
charge so don't be surprised to get a call from your bank with your
first overseas purchase.

Amoxi can be bought in the US without a prescription. Buy Fish Mox.
This is the same amoxicillin as any other, it is just packaged for
fish and requires no script. It comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. 
The dose for cats is 5 to 10 mg per pound once or twice a day.  I
usually open the capsules and mix 2.5 ml of water for each 250 mg
capsule, so each .5 ml of the mix is a 50 mg dose for average cat. 
You might want to mix it with 5 ml of water per 250 mg capsule so it
would be easier to draw up the right dose for a small kitten.  Once
mixed, it must be refrigerated and will last about 10 days.  Be sure
to shake well before every dose as it separates very quickly.


If you need more punch than that, you can get clavamox pills and zithromax
capsules from overseas with no script.  Be sure you know what to buy and
what dosage to use before giving any meds.
 
 On 07-06, katskat1 wrote: Where please and how do you purchase
 Amoxicillin in Mexico?  I buy the powder from my vet at her cost
 which is outrageous so if I could get it from Mexico it would be a
 God send to the small rescue I am co-founder of and maybe to her
 too. And for my two FeLV+ kitties.
 Thanks Kat A 2nd
 Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio 
 katofo...@gmail.com
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-07 Thread Beth Noren
Winn Foundation is legit and does a lot of good, I know they give
grants for FIP research, but I think they do grants for other cat
health issues as well.  If you go to their home page and click on
Grants you can see listings for what they have funded.  Each year
they put out a list of what projects they have funded.  I didn't see
anything for FeLV in 2010, but there was one grant for improving
lymphoma treatment.   My vet made a contribution in honor of my kitten
when she died of FIP.

Beth N.



On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 I have no idea...do you know what exactly they do?  What's their website -
 let's look into it.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:34 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

 Doesnt the Wynn Foundation do a lot of good work for cats?

 -- My iPhone told me to send this message. --

 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 I have no idea - maybe we should all do some searches to see what's out
 there and ask a lot of questions! I'd hate to donate to anyone who merely
 uses cats for the sake of research; I'd like to see if there's someplace
 where they actually treat FeLV+ cats while trying for a cure, not mere
 research for research sake and getting their hands on grant money. I
 should
 ask my veterinarian, he was co-founder of AVAR (Association of
 Veterinarians
 for Animal Rights, now part of HSUS) whether he is aware of any real and
 constructive research done on FeLV.
 In the 90s, Cleveland Amory was on a show debating a researcher who got
 lucrative grants for animal experiments, and not really contributing to
 anything specific - just useless stuff!  Cleveland asked him about a
 specific case (Please note: it was made up at that moment to see how
 ridiculous and irrelevant some research is!), describing a really
 grotesque
 scenario of one cat's eye sewn shut, while the other was sewn so it
 couldn't
 close, electrodes attached to the forehead, tail cut off, feeding tube
 inserted, etc. The researcher started defending every bit of it without a
 blink of an eye.  When he finished, Cleveland boomed Aha, I knew you
 would
 defend just about anything to get your hands on grant money; I just made
 the
 whole thing up!
 BTW- Cleveland Amory was my very first adopter of a kitten that I trapped
 at
 the Greenwich dump in 1992 - Tiger Bear, an pale orange tabby with golden
 eyes (after his beloved white cat Polar Bear died).
 Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:54 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

 You are most certainly correct, Natalie! Anyone know of a Feline Leukemia
 Society to donate to? Is there a group of scientists that are trying  to
 find a cure or a better treatment plan for this deadly disease? Our poor
 babies!!


 - Original Message -
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now


 It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to
 this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help
 them to feel better or get well.  One would think, that after all these
 years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease
 that
 makes it so complicated?  So many different symptoms that mimic other
 thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure?
 I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge!
 Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

 Dear Cathy and Mark,

 I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss,
 but
 I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I
 pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when
 you
 consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a
 speck
 of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll
 turn
 that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead.

 You're in my thoughts and prayers,
 Cindy


 - Original Message -
 From: ckess...@cox.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now


 Ben,

 I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas.
 We

 lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard 

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-07 Thread Natalie
Any local pharmacy.  Until last year, one could buy it even more cheaply at
places like Costco or Sam's Club pharmacies in Mexico - but I have a feeling
that US big pharma had something to do with the law that one cannot purchase
antibiotics without a prescription anymore probably because they found that
too many US visitors were getting it cheaply there. Locals can still get it
without prescription because a pharmacist is like a doctor to them.  So, we
just go to a small pharmacy and ask for it.  A bottle of the powder that
makes 5 small ones that we get at the vet, used to cost about $10, but at
local little places it could be as much as $15 (still a bargain!). Did you
know that veterinarians can often get it for as little as $1.50?  There's a
huge markup on the drugs they sell to their customers.  One of our vets
charges us (with a discount) as much as $30 (my vet $18), so I can imagine
the huge range of prices all over the country - I guess they do what the
market and geographical area according to cost of living can bear!
How does your vet get human interferon?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: katofohio
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico?  I buy the
powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get
it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am
co-founder of and maybe to her too.
And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human
interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon
Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help
save our furrbabies lives...
Thanks
Kat
A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio
katofo...@gmail.com

On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico?
 The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International
 Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at
 big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to -
 very handy for them!
 All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral
 suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they
are
 ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats'
 certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a
 fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same
thing,
 even though we get 50% discount.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

 http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/

 You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
 the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
 availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in
the
 world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
 worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
 that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade
everywhere
 else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
 Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and
simple.
 However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse
potential
 in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
 and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package
from
 Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
 import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
 and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the
honor.


 So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people
and
 senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
 Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
 cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-07 Thread Ben Williams
We get interferon through vetcentric.com.  It's cheap - about $15 for a bottle, 
but the cold pack overnight shipping brings it up to about $60.  I've got two 
bottles if anyone needs any...

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On Jul 7, 2011, at 8:19 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Any local pharmacy.  Until last year, one could buy it even more cheaply at
 places like Costco or Sam's Club pharmacies in Mexico - but I have a feeling
 that US big pharma had something to do with the law that one cannot purchase
 antibiotics without a prescription anymore probably because they found that
 too many US visitors were getting it cheaply there. Locals can still get it
 without prescription because a pharmacist is like a doctor to them.  So, we
 just go to a small pharmacy and ask for it.  A bottle of the powder that
 makes 5 small ones that we get at the vet, used to cost about $10, but at
 local little places it could be as much as $15 (still a bargain!). Did you
 know that veterinarians can often get it for as little as $1.50?  There's a
 huge markup on the drugs they sell to their customers.  One of our vets
 charges us (with a discount) as much as $30 (my vet $18), so I can imagine
 the huge range of prices all over the country - I guess they do what the
 market and geographical area according to cost of living can bear!
 How does your vet get human interferon?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc: katofohio
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico?  I buy the
 powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get
 it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am
 co-founder of and maybe to her too.
 And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human
 interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon
 Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help
 save our furrbabies lives...
 Thanks
 Kat
 A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio
 katofo...@gmail.com
 
 On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico?
 The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International
 Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at
 big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to -
 very handy for them!
 All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral
 suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they
 are
 ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats'
 certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a
 fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same
 thing,
 even though we get 50% discount.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/
 
 You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
 the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
 availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in
 the
 world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
 worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
 that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade
 everywhere
 else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
 Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and
 simple.
 However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse
 potential
 in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
 and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package
 from
 Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
 import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
 and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the
 honor.
 
 
 So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people
 and
 senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
 Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
 cure for FiP as well!
 ___
 Felvtalk mailing list
 Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-07 Thread Natalie
Actually, I have the name of a tetracycline that one can buy without
prescription at pet supply stores...will try to find it. Yes, I heard that
fish antibiotics are the sameisn't that strange that one can get them
without prescription? They don't think that people would connect the dots!
BTW - many of the drugs we buy here, are made in Mexico by US pharmaceutical
companies that have plants there with cheap labor and good quality control!
You would NOT be compromising your animals' health in any way!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 7:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

Hi Kat,

I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth 
recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything I

read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets.  Oddly 
enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the 
vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit.

Cindy

- Original Message - 
From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: katofohio katofo...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now


 Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico?  I buy the
 powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get
 it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am
 co-founder of and maybe to her too.
 And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human
 interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon
 Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help
 save our furrbabies lives...
 Thanks
 Kat
 A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio
 katofo...@gmail.com

 On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico?
 The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International
 Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at
 big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to -
 very handy for them!
 All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral
 suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they 
 are
 ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats'
 certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a
 fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same 
 thing,
 even though we get 50% discount.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

 http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/

 You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference 
 and
 the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
 availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in 
 the
 world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
 worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
 that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade 
 everywhere
 else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
 Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and 
 simple.
 However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse 
 potential
 in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
 and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package 
 from
 Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
 import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its 
 refrigeration
 and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the 
 honor.


 So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people 
 and
 senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
 Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
 cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] [Norton AntiSpam]Re: Amoxi

2011-07-07 Thread Natalie
Thank you - that's great information!
I always end up buying meds in Mexico for all my animal rescue friends -
now, they will be able to get them here.  I should compare prices.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 8:23 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: katofo...@gmail.com
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam]Re: [Felvtalk] Amoxi


HERE IS THE INFORMATION YOU NEED ABOUT ORDERING PET MEDS
ON LINE WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION.

Three websites are listed below - None require presciptions

www.petshed.com -- Advantage, revolution, Profender (new topical
dewormer)

www.revivalanimal.com -- vaccines, Drontal dewormer

www.1drugstore-online.com -- antibiotics, antiprotozoal, assorted
other meds 

All great prices and very reliable.  1drugstore-online is based in
Thailand and petshed.com is in Australia so usually with the first
order your bank will want to verify that it is not a fraudalent
charge so don't be surprised to get a call from your bank with your
first overseas purchase.

Amoxi can be bought in the US without a prescription. Buy Fish Mox.
This is the same amoxicillin as any other, it is just packaged for
fish and requires no script. It comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. 
The dose for cats is 5 to 10 mg per pound once or twice a day.  I
usually open the capsules and mix 2.5 ml of water for each 250 mg
capsule, so each .5 ml of the mix is a 50 mg dose for average cat. 
You might want to mix it with 5 ml of water per 250 mg capsule so it
would be easier to draw up the right dose for a small kitten.  Once
mixed, it must be refrigerated and will last about 10 days.  Be sure
to shake well before every dose as it separates very quickly.


If you need more punch than that, you can get clavamox pills and zithromax
capsules from overseas with no script.  Be sure you know what to buy and
what dosage to use before giving any meds.
 
 On 07-06, katskat1 wrote: Where please and how do you purchase
 Amoxicillin in Mexico?  I buy the powder from my vet at her cost
 which is outrageous so if I could get it from Mexico it would be a
 God send to the small rescue I am co-founder of and maybe to her
 too. And for my two FeLV+ kitties.
 Thanks Kat A 2nd
 Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio 
 katofo...@gmail.com
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet meds for humans

2011-07-07 Thread Lorrie
On 07-07, Cindy McHugh wrote:
 Hi Kat,
 
 I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth 
 recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything 
 I read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets.  Oddly 
 enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the 
 vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit.
 
 Cindy
 
I can identify with that Cindy.  I recently got a bad cat bite and
used large dog size Clavamox. It is the exact same thing as human
Augmentin, which is the antibiotic recommended for cat bites. My arm
was all swollen up after the bite but the Clavamox worked great and I
saved money on a doctor bill and the Augmentin.  The last time I was
bitten it cost me $95. for the doctor and $45. for the Augmentin. 
Animal and vet meds are usually the same, but have different names,
so the trick is knowing which is which, what works, and how much to
take for how long.

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-07 Thread MaiMaiPG
Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live  
trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him  
under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.   
She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were  
pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of  
the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing  
his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the  
clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and  
is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most  
of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and  
others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous  
cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not  
quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.

On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses  
in a bad
mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of  
the body's
systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all  
of their

babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I  
don't know
his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male  
brought in
from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very  
sick

kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat.  One is a year out from the
extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well!   Both  
of
those guys were negative.  My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully,  
too, and
his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost  
clinic for
a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics  
probably

can't do that, though.

All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I  
couldn't

believe it.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours
is
FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky!  It
FIV+does
sound rather drastic, doesn't it?
We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're
chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more
than canned food at times.
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3
we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats
afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since.  They were not FELV
cats, though.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+

cats?


I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE
MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get
that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly
appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist,
with special emphasis on

cleaning

out the areas extremely well.  My vet says that he doesn't like
doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG.

I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in
different forms.



It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications:

http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCIN
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[Felvtalk] UTI Question

2011-07-07 Thread Cindy McHugh
This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and 
I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list.


I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the 
litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months 
ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 
years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other 
issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed 
about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs 
at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and 
all was well until a couple days ago.


He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. 
There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his 
litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I 
thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a 
clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, 
so I thought I'd run it by you folks...


In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a 
urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and 
gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed.


The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't 
really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. 
She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not 
my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's 
necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for 
tests/procedures that are not necessary.


If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I 
wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in 
money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 
on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned 
today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the 
vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline 
this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet 
said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea 
product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same 
price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and 
sold me, Frontline about a week ago.


They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what 
tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me 
at the time.)


If he needs the culture and x-rays, I'll have it done. But I don't want to 
spend the rescue's very limited funds needlessly. Any input would be most 
welcome. The cat is NOT  FeLV+.


Thank you for your time.
Cindy



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Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question

2011-07-07 Thread Lynda Wilson
My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I 
had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof 
mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is 
what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. 
Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said 
the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception 
at the time he was an only cat.  Also, every two weeks, I empty all the 
litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill 
them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better 
than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc.


I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :)

Lynda
- Original Message - 
From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question


This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up 
and I've been unsubbed from my more general cat discussion list.


I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the 
litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months 
ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 
years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his 
other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated 
on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was 
fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. 
They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago.


He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. 
There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use 
his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but 
I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a 
clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was 
told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks...


In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a 
urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and 
gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed.


The vet today told me they could do an in house check, but it wouldn't 
really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a 
culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. 
This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We 
want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds 
for tests/procedures that are not necessary.


If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, 
I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in 
money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 
on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I 
mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea 
situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints 
about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this 
area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I 
purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They 
said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place 
that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago.


They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what 
tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with 
me at the time.)


If he needs the culture and x-rays, I'll have it done. But I don't want to 
spend the rescue's very limited funds needlessly. Any input would be most 
welcome. The cat is NOT  FeLV+.


Thank you for your time.
Cindy



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