Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :(

2011-07-21 Thread Natalie
This really has been a bad week - I am so sorry for Umberto!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara Kasteleyn
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :(


Noo...how can we have lost so many sweet babies in so short a time?  

Another candle was lit tonight in SoCal for Umberto.  

Frolic with the rest of our special ones and wait for us, Umberto.

S

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Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:31:14 +
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :(

He passed today Belinda
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Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:28:20 
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :(

Aww Sherry, sound like a sweetie pie, when did he pass?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

2011-07-21 Thread Lynda Wilson

Kat,

That had to be so hard to watch and I am so very sorry! I hear of heartworm 
stories here in Texas as well and I hate them and the mosquitos that carry 
them.


Too bad it was not caught earlier by your vet. That should have raised a red 
flag with your vet since you are out in the country. This is a lesson 
learned by all of us. Coughing is one of the signs. By sharing your story 
you probably have helped more animals. That counts for something in the 
memory of your dog.


He is playing joyfully with all of our dogs that have crossed the Rainbow 
Bridge.


Hugs to you~
Lynda
- Original Message - 
From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs



I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or
technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm
after she was found to have them.
She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel
cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog
in the country.
A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new
vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and
suggested we test.  She came back positive so he started the treatment
before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would
likely die for sure if something wasn't tried.  That night she came
home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die.  Her heart
stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away
but didn't matter cause I didn't know they existed at the time and
they were in another city and no emergency listings in local phone
books.  Vet I had taken her to had gone to his daughters graduation
that night and called back too late but said he probably wouldn't have
been able to do anything anyway.  Autopsy showed she had more worms
than heart left.
I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again.
Period.
Kat

On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane 
Biagi

Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds  but, if you've ever 
seen

a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like,
you'd err on the side of caution.  I'm in NY and we've gone to year 
round.

While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here from
warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time.  A NY mosquito bites a
Florida infected dog  then bites a NY dog--you've got a chance.  And 
these
days, folks travel all the time  everywhere with their pets.  Now there 
are
places where the climate basically prevents larvae from forming... but 
for

most of the country, there are at least times of the year when mosquitoes
live that any cat or dog is at risk.  But there are choices for HW 
meds...
Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example. 
Thing
is that HW is a silent killer.  By the time the animal shows symptoms, 
the
disease is well advanced.  And the treatment is fraught with risk and a 
real

strain on the animal's system.  There are some newer protocols to reduce
risk--Dr. at U of FL has done major studies which are published.  Sadly,
there is no treatment for cats.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:53 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs




  Heartworm drugs for pets; Big Pharma's cash cow - In a seemingly
diabolical plot, veterinarians and pharmaceutical companies have teamed 
up

in a marketing campaign to frighten pet guardians into giving year-round
heartworm preventatives to their cats, as well as dogs. These so-called
experts say they're doing this to improve protection for individual pets,
but the facts say their motives may be less pure.


 o
http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoF
YKZ8
http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoFY
KZ8




We had a discussion about Revolution a while back - here is a great 
article

on all wormers, and about Revolution, which is technically: Selamectin is
also used to treat ear mites and some intestinal worms; adverse reactions
include hair loss at the site of application, diarrhea, vomiting, muscle
tremors, anorexia, lethargy, salivation, rapid breathing, and contact
allergy.

And how veterinarians are handing out these products like candy, etc.
Important read!


































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[Felvtalk] URL - for heartworm history, charts, etc

2011-07-21 Thread Natalie
In case the chart I sent previously, didn't show up - this is quite good -
shows where it is most prevalent, symptoms, etc.

http://www.heartwormsociety.org/pet-owner-resources/heartworm.html#history 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :(

2011-07-21 Thread Heather
I am sorry too Sherry, SIDS kitties always have the best, unique names, it's
so evident how much love and thought goes into your SIDS kids.  Thanks to
you and everyone there for making sure Umberto, Turner  Studley do Right
had the love they so deserved in their time here.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 This really has been a bad week - I am so sorry for Umberto!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara Kasteleyn
 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:21 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :(


 Noo...how can we have lost so many sweet babies in so short a time?

 Another candle was lit tonight in SoCal for Umberto.

 Frolic with the rest of our special ones and wait for us, Umberto.

 S

 --Original Mail--
 From: sherryd...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:31:14 +
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :(

 He passed today Belinda
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:28:20
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :(

 Aww Sherry, sound like a sweetie pie, when did he pass?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

2011-07-21 Thread Christiane Biagi
I'm so sorry this happened...  Heartworm is basically very silent until it
gets so bad the dog is in real danger.  They seem to be learning all sorts
of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when
Immiticide was first developed.  Problem is that unless vet is very familiar
w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols.  American Heartworm
Assoc does a decent job of describing those.  But even if those are
followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can
happen.  It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms.  It
does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the bloodstream in
mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog.  Then there is the more
newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw  also die  can
also cause a clot.  That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before
treatment begins.  And dogs need  have absolute rest during treatment---not
easy to do!  For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course is
Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms  over a course of time, they die.
Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment.

Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to this--the
costs have come down  though I'm always reluctant to over medicate,
Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every month. 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically
she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found
to have them.
She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but
not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country.
A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet
said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we
test.  She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left
that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if
something wasn't tried.  That night she came home and collapsed in the front
yard and I watched her die.  Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest
emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I didn't know
they existed at the time and they were in another city and no emergency
listings in local phone books.  Vet I had taken her to had gone to his
daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he
probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway.  Autopsy showed she
had more worms than heart left.
I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again.
Period.
Kat

On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane 
 Biagi
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

 I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds  but, if you've ever 
 seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters 
 look like, you'd err on the side of caution.  I'm in NY and we've gone to
year round.
 While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here 
 from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time.  A NY mosquito 
 bites a Florida infected dog  then bites a NY dog--you've got a 
 chance.  And these days, folks travel all the time  everywhere with 
 their pets.  Now there are places where the climate basically prevents 
 larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least 
 times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk.
But there are choices for HW meds...
 Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example.  
 Thing is that HW is a silent killer.  By the time the animal shows 
 symptoms, the disease is well advanced.  And the treatment is fraught 
 with risk and a real strain on the animal's system.  There are some 
 newer protocols to reduce risk--Dr. at U of FL has done major studies 
 which are published.  Sadly, there is no treatment for cats.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:53 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs




   Heartworm drugs for pets; Big Pharma's cash cow - In a seemingly 
 diabolical plot, veterinarians and pharmaceutical companies have 
 teamed up in a marketing campaign to frighten pet guardians into 
 giving year-round heartworm preventatives to their cats, as well as 
 dogs. These so-called experts say they're doing this to improve 
 protection for 

Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

2011-07-21 Thread Edna Taylor

We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and his HW status 
was so high that after talking to the vet we decided that given his body 
weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't be neutered until after 
treatment, lack of foster homes and that the treatment would probably kill him, 
we loved him, played with him and as he chewed on a toy, we let him go.   He 
was surrounded by people who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is 
all we can do :(  His previous owners (I use that term loosely) failed him.

HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess that 90% 
(maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued are HW+.
 
 

 From: ti...@mindspring.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
 
 I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent until it
 gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all sorts
 of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when
 Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very familiar
 w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American Heartworm
 Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are
 followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can
 happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms. It
 does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the bloodstream in
 mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the more
 newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw  also die  can
 also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before
 treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during treatment---not
 easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course is
 Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms  over a course of time, they die.
 Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment.
 
 Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to this--the
 costs have come down  though I'm always reluctant to over medicate,
 Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every month. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
 
 I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically
 she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found
 to have them.
 She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but
 not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country.
 A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet
 said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we
 test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left
 that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if
 something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front
 yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest
 emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I didn't know
 they existed at the time and they were in another city and no emergency
 listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his
 daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he
 probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy showed she
 had more worms than heart left.
 I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again.
 Period.
 Kat
 
 On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
  I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't!
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane 
  Biagi
  Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
 
  I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever 
  seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters 
  look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to
 year round.
  While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here 
  from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito 
  bites a Florida infected dog  then bites a NY dog--you've got a 
  chance. And these days, folks travel all the time  everywhere with 
  their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically prevents 
  larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least 
  times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk.
 But there are choices for HW meds...
  Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example. 
  Thing is that HW is a silent killer. By the time the animal shows 
  

Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

2011-07-21 Thread MaiMaiPG

How sad.I am glad he was surrounded by friends when he left.
On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Edna Taylor wrote:



We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and  
his HW status was so high that after talking to the vet we decided  
that given his body weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't  
be neutered until after treatment, lack of foster homes and that the  
treatment would probably kill him, we loved him, played with him and  
as he chewed on a toy, we let him go.   He was surrounded by people  
who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is all we can do : 
(  His previous owners (I use that term loosely) failed him.


HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess  
that 90% (maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued  
are HW+.





From: ti...@mindspring.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent  
until it
gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all  
sorts

of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when
Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very  
familiar
w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American  
Heartworm

Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are
followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can
happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms.  
It
does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the  
bloodstream in
mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the  
more
newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw  also die  
 can

also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before
treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during  
treatment---not
easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course  
is
Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms  over a course of time,  
they die.

Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment.

Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to  
this--the

costs have come down  though I'm always reluctant to over medicate,
Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every  
month.


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or  
technically
she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she  
was found

to have them.
She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel  
cough but
not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the  
country.
A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and  
new vet
said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and  
suggested we
test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we  
left
that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for  
sure if
something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in  
the front
yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night,  
nearest
emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I  
didn't know
they existed at the time and they were in another city and no  
emergency

listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his
daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he
probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy  
showed she

had more worms than heart left.
I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again.
Period.
Kat

On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane
Biagi
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've  
ever

seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters
look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've  
gone to

year round.

While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here
from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito
bites a Florida infected dog  then bites a NY dog--you've got a
chance. And these days, folks travel all the time  everywhere with
their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically  
prevents
larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at  
least
times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at  
risk.

But there are choices for HW meds...
Certain breeds should never take 

Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

2011-07-21 Thread Natalie
What a lucky dog to have come across you - imagine him dying somewhere all
alone, in pain, with nasty people taunting and chasing him...in such cases,
euthanasia is the kindest solution, even though it may be heartbreaking to
us! Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

How sad.I am glad he was surrounded by friends when he left.
On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Edna Taylor wrote:


 We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and  
 his HW status was so high that after talking to the vet we decided  
 that given his body weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't  
 be neutered until after treatment, lack of foster homes and that the  
 treatment would probably kill him, we loved him, played with him and  
 as he chewed on a toy, we let him go.   He was surrounded by people  
 who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is all we can do : 
 (  His previous owners (I use that term loosely) failed him.

 HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess  
 that 90% (maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued  
 are HW+.



 From: ti...@mindspring.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

 I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent  
 until it
 gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all  
 sorts
 of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when
 Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very  
 familiar
 w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American  
 Heartworm
 Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are
 followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can
 happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms.  
 It
 does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the  
 bloodstream in
 mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the  
 more
 newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw  also die  
  can
 also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before
 treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during  
 treatment---not
 easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course  
 is
 Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms  over a course of time,  
 they die.
 Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment.

 Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to  
 this--the
 costs have come down  though I'm always reluctant to over medicate,
 Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every  
 month.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

 I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or  
 technically
 she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she  
 was found
 to have them.
 She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel  
 cough but
 not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the  
 country.
 A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and  
 new vet
 said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and  
 suggested we
 test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we  
 left
 that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for  
 sure if
 something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in  
 the front
 yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night,  
 nearest
 emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I  
 didn't know
 they existed at the time and they were in another city and no  
 emergency
 listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his
 daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he
 probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy  
 showed she
 had more worms than heart left.
 I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again.
 Period.
 Kat

 On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane
 Biagi
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

 I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've  
 ever
 seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters
 look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've  
 gone to
 year