Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :(
This really has been a bad week - I am so sorry for Umberto! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara Kasteleyn Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :( Noo...how can we have lost so many sweet babies in so short a time? Another candle was lit tonight in SoCal for Umberto. Frolic with the rest of our special ones and wait for us, Umberto. S --Original Mail-- From: sherryd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:31:14 + Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :( He passed today Belinda Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:28:20 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :( Aww Sherry, sound like a sweetie pie, when did he pass? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
Kat, That had to be so hard to watch and I am so very sorry! I hear of heartworm stories here in Texas as well and I hate them and the mosquitos that carry them. Too bad it was not caught earlier by your vet. That should have raised a red flag with your vet since you are out in the country. This is a lesson learned by all of us. Coughing is one of the signs. By sharing your story you probably have helped more animals. That counts for something in the memory of your dog. He is playing joyfully with all of our dogs that have crossed the Rainbow Bridge. Hugs to you~ Lynda - Original Message - From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found to have them. She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country. A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I didn't know they existed at the time and they were in another city and no emergency listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy showed she had more worms than heart left. I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again. Period. Kat On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to year round. While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito bites a Florida infected dog then bites a NY dog--you've got a chance. And these days, folks travel all the time everywhere with their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically prevents larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk. But there are choices for HW meds... Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example. Thing is that HW is a silent killer. By the time the animal shows symptoms, the disease is well advanced. And the treatment is fraught with risk and a real strain on the animal's system. There are some newer protocols to reduce risk--Dr. at U of FL has done major studies which are published. Sadly, there is no treatment for cats. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs Heartworm drugs for pets; Big Pharma's cash cow - In a seemingly diabolical plot, veterinarians and pharmaceutical companies have teamed up in a marketing campaign to frighten pet guardians into giving year-round heartworm preventatives to their cats, as well as dogs. These so-called experts say they're doing this to improve protection for individual pets, but the facts say their motives may be less pure. o http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoF YKZ8 http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoFY KZ8 We had a discussion about Revolution a while back - here is a great article on all wormers, and about Revolution, which is technically: Selamectin is also used to treat ear mites and some intestinal worms; adverse reactions include hair loss at the site of application, diarrhea, vomiting, muscle tremors, anorexia, lethargy, salivation, rapid breathing, and contact allergy. And how veterinarians are handing out these products like candy, etc. Important read! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] URL - for heartworm history, charts, etc
In case the chart I sent previously, didn't show up - this is quite good - shows where it is most prevalent, symptoms, etc. http://www.heartwormsociety.org/pet-owner-resources/heartworm.html#history ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :(
I am sorry too Sherry, SIDS kitties always have the best, unique names, it's so evident how much love and thought goes into your SIDS kids. Thanks to you and everyone there for making sure Umberto, Turner Studley do Right had the love they so deserved in their time here. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: This really has been a bad week - I am so sorry for Umberto! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara Kasteleyn Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :( Noo...how can we have lost so many sweet babies in so short a time? Another candle was lit tonight in SoCal for Umberto. Frolic with the rest of our special ones and wait for us, Umberto. S --Original Mail-- From: sherryd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:31:14 + Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :( He passed today Belinda Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:28:20 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :( Aww Sherry, sound like a sweetie pie, when did he pass? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://belindasauro.com/ http://HostDesign4U.com http://hostdesign4u.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent until it gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all sorts of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very familiar w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American Heartworm Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms. It does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the bloodstream in mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the more newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw also die can also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during treatment---not easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course is Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms over a course of time, they die. Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment. Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to this--the costs have come down though I'm always reluctant to over medicate, Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every month. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found to have them. She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country. A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I didn't know they existed at the time and they were in another city and no emergency listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy showed she had more worms than heart left. I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again. Period. Kat On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to year round. While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito bites a Florida infected dog then bites a NY dog--you've got a chance. And these days, folks travel all the time everywhere with their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically prevents larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk. But there are choices for HW meds... Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example. Thing is that HW is a silent killer. By the time the animal shows symptoms, the disease is well advanced. And the treatment is fraught with risk and a real strain on the animal's system. There are some newer protocols to reduce risk--Dr. at U of FL has done major studies which are published. Sadly, there is no treatment for cats. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs Heartworm drugs for pets; Big Pharma's cash cow - In a seemingly diabolical plot, veterinarians and pharmaceutical companies have teamed up in a marketing campaign to frighten pet guardians into giving year-round heartworm preventatives to their cats, as well as dogs. These so-called experts say they're doing this to improve protection for
Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and his HW status was so high that after talking to the vet we decided that given his body weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't be neutered until after treatment, lack of foster homes and that the treatment would probably kill him, we loved him, played with him and as he chewed on a toy, we let him go. He was surrounded by people who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is all we can do :( His previous owners (I use that term loosely) failed him. HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess that 90% (maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued are HW+. From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent until it gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all sorts of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very familiar w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American Heartworm Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms. It does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the bloodstream in mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the more newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw also die can also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during treatment---not easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course is Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms over a course of time, they die. Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment. Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to this--the costs have come down though I'm always reluctant to over medicate, Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every month. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found to have them. She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country. A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I didn't know they existed at the time and they were in another city and no emergency listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy showed she had more worms than heart left. I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again. Period. Kat On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to year round. While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito bites a Florida infected dog then bites a NY dog--you've got a chance. And these days, folks travel all the time everywhere with their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically prevents larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk. But there are choices for HW meds... Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example. Thing is that HW is a silent killer. By the time the animal shows
Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
How sad.I am glad he was surrounded by friends when he left. On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Edna Taylor wrote: We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and his HW status was so high that after talking to the vet we decided that given his body weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't be neutered until after treatment, lack of foster homes and that the treatment would probably kill him, we loved him, played with him and as he chewed on a toy, we let him go. He was surrounded by people who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is all we can do : ( His previous owners (I use that term loosely) failed him. HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess that 90% (maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued are HW+. From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent until it gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all sorts of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very familiar w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American Heartworm Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms. It does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the bloodstream in mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the more newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw also die can also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during treatment---not easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course is Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms over a course of time, they die. Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment. Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to this--the costs have come down though I'm always reluctant to over medicate, Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every month. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found to have them. She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country. A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I didn't know they existed at the time and they were in another city and no emergency listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy showed she had more worms than heart left. I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again. Period. Kat On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to year round. While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito bites a Florida infected dog then bites a NY dog--you've got a chance. And these days, folks travel all the time everywhere with their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically prevents larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk. But there are choices for HW meds... Certain breeds should never take
Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
What a lucky dog to have come across you - imagine him dying somewhere all alone, in pain, with nasty people taunting and chasing him...in such cases, euthanasia is the kindest solution, even though it may be heartbreaking to us! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs How sad.I am glad he was surrounded by friends when he left. On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Edna Taylor wrote: We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and his HW status was so high that after talking to the vet we decided that given his body weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't be neutered until after treatment, lack of foster homes and that the treatment would probably kill him, we loved him, played with him and as he chewed on a toy, we let him go. He was surrounded by people who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is all we can do : ( His previous owners (I use that term loosely) failed him. HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess that 90% (maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued are HW+. From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent until it gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all sorts of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very familiar w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American Heartworm Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms. It does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the bloodstream in mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the more newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw also die can also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during treatment---not easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course is Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms over a course of time, they die. Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment. Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to this--the costs have come down though I'm always reluctant to over medicate, Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every month. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found to have them. She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country. A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I didn't know they existed at the time and they were in another city and no emergency listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy showed she had more worms than heart left. I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again. Period. Kat On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to year