[Felvtalk] Off topic: Fleas

2012-08-30 Thread Natalie
I found something that I received from a friend a while back - was someone
asking about flea treatments in this group?

 

I think I have used everything you can think of and this is the best stuff I
have used.  The fleas take one or two steps and they are gone.  There is no
residual effect, but your house smells like a cedar closet.  

Best Way is what they sell to spray right on the pet and in your house.  

Then ProChoice I think is the name of it for your yard.

This stuff kills all non beneficial insects but not benefical like bees and
butterflies.  So daddy long legs will survive but not roaches or mosquites
or ticks etc.

www.cedarcide.com 

It is made in Houston, Tx from a specific cedar tree.

Susan

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: Fleas

2012-08-30 Thread Marcia
I thought that cedar caused liver damage in small animals. Anyone see ever hear 
about this?

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On Aug 30, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 I found something that I received from a friend a while back – was someone 
 asking about flea treatments in this group?
  
 I think I have used everything you can think of and this is the best stuff I 
 have used.  The fleas take one or two steps and they are gone.  There is no 
 residual effect, but your house smells like a cedar closet. 
 Best Way is what they sell to spray right on the pet and in your house. 
 Then ProChoice I think is the name of it for your yard.
 This stuff kills all non beneficial insects but not benefical like bees and 
 butterflies.  So daddy long legs will survive but not roaches or mosquites or 
 ticks etc.
 www.cedarcide.com
 It is made in Houston, Tx from a specific cedar tree.
 Susan
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: Fleas

2012-08-30 Thread GRAS
This may answer your concern: 
http://www.wondercide.com/content/is-cedar-toxic-to-cats/ 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: Fleas

 

I thought that cedar caused liver damage in small animals. Anyone see ever hear 
about this?

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 30, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

I found something that I received from a friend a while back – was someone 
asking about flea treatments in this group?

 

I think I have used everything you can think of and this is the best stuff I 
have used.  The fleas take one or two steps and they are gone.  There is no 
residual effect, but your house smells like a cedar closet.  

Best Way is what they sell to spray right on the pet and in your house.  

Then ProChoice I think is the name of it for your yard.

This stuff kills all non beneficial insects but not benefical like bees and 
butterflies.  So daddy long legs will survive but not roaches or mosquites or 
ticks etc.

www.cedarcide.com 

It is made in Houston, Tx from a specific cedar tree.

Susan

 

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[Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-30 Thread Emma Beauchamp
Hello All,

My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV 
probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV 
and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she 
contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she 
was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder.  
I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription 
diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet.  

My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food 
yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry 
food and turned away.  


After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food 
in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake!

I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
kind of food/diet did you switch to? 

Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! 

So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 

Emma Beauchamp
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-30 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
See http://holisticat.com/flutd.html   That site also has diet recipes, or
you could write me for mine (which is a chicken version much like found on
other sites).   Keep track of the urine pH (using a SmartCat litterbox?).
 I found that Vitamin C didn't help much getting the acidity up, but
feeding beef did.   You'll have to look at the recipes for preground meat,
to get the right amount of calcium, etc., in there.

Hill's Science diet is unscientific.   Dry is verboten no matter what it's
made of.


On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hello All,

 My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had
 FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite
 the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday
 night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130
 dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were
 present in her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given
 Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a
 couple of cans of wet.

 My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet
 food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled
 at the dry food and turned away.

 After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry
 food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water
 intake!

 I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so
 what kind of food/diet did you switch to?

 Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty
 selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to
 feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were
 tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!

 So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!

 Emma Beauchamp

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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-30 Thread Lee Evans
Would some type of cranberry extract help, maybe mixed with the recipe 
mentioned?  Holistic methods of UTI in humans uses cranberry juice, extract and 
capsules of cranberry extract for this type of situation.  Not sure cats and 
cranberries would get along very well but you might google that also.


 
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 From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 

See http://holisticat.com/flutd.html   That site also has diet recipes, or you 
could write me for mine (which is a chicken version much like found on other 
sites).   Keep track of the urine pH (using a SmartCat litterbox?).  I found 
that Vitamin C didn't help much getting the acidity up, but feeding beef did.   
You'll have to look at the recipes for preground meat, to get the right amount 
of calcium, etc., in there.

Hill's Science diet is unscientific.   Dry is verboten no matter what it's made 
of.



On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hello All,


My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had 
FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the 
FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) 
she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later 
she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her 
bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science 
Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of 
wet.  

My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food 
yesterday,
 but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry food and 
turned away.  



After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food 
in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake!

I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
kind of food/diet did you switch to? 

Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
switched to the Whiskas, and
 she seemed to like it more anyway! 

So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 

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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their 
life.  Contact your local pound for information. 


If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: 
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-30 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Some say that has no effect, as cats don't metabolize fruit all that well.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Would some type of cranberry extract help, maybe mixed with the recipe
 mentioned?  Holistic methods of UTI in humans uses cranberry juice, extract
 and capsules of cranberry extract for this type of situation.  Not sure
 cats and cranberries would get along very well but you might google that
 also.


 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!


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 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:17 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

 See http://holisticat.com/flutd.html   That site also has diet recipes,
 or you could write me for mine (which is a chicken version much like found
 on other sites).   Keep track of the urine pH (using a SmartCat
 litterbox?).  I found that Vitamin C didn't help much getting the acidity
 up, but feeding beef did.   You'll have to look at the recipes for
 preground meat, to get the right amount of calcium, etc., in there.

 Hill's Science diet is unscientific.   Dry is verboten no matter what it's
 made of.


 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Hello All,

 My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had
 FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite
 the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday
 night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130
 dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were
 present in her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given
 Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a
 couple of cans of wet.

 My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet
 food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled
 at the dry food and turned away.

 After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry
 food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water
 intake!

 I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so
 what kind of food/diet did you switch to?

 Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty
 selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to
 feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were
 tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!

 So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!

 Emma Beauchamp

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 If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save
 their life.  Contact your local pound for information. 
 http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm

 If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
 to free up cage space.


 Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
 implementing the No Kill Equation:
 http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

 Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
 http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

 Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

 More fun reading:
 http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

 More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
 http://vimeo.com/48445902


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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
life.  Contact your local pound for information.
http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-30 Thread dlgegg
My Homey has had several bouts of crystals.  She liked the Hill's SD canned 
food, but not the dry.  I had taken my guys off Hills because they ahve corn, 
wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients.  I now feed Blue 
buffalo dry DUCK.  We love that and also the duck canned food.  We hate chicken 
and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be part of the problem.  I 
have tried to get them off the dry, but not too much luck.  Right now, Homey is 
okay.  I got water fountains and everyone loves them.  It recirculates the 
water thre a filter.  The plastic ones are okay, but need to be cleaned out 
more often.  I got one on line that is stainless steel.  Much better, lower 
profile so I can open cabinet doors without hitting it and it does not need to 
be cleaned as often.  With the fountains, the water is always moving, makes 
noise and they do drink more water.  You might try them.  


 Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Hello All,

My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV 
probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV 
and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she 
contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she 
was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder.  
I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription 
diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet.  

My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food 
yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry 
food and turned away.  


After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food 
in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake!

I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
kind of food/diet did you switch to? 

Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! 

So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 

Emma Beauchamp



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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-30 Thread dlgegg
Vets push the Hills because Hills says to.


 Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Hello All,

My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV 
probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV 
and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she 
contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she 
was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder.  
I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription 
diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet.  

My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food 
yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry 
food and turned away.  


After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food 
in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake!

I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
kind of food/diet did you switch to? 

Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! 

So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 

Emma Beauchamp



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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-30 Thread dlgegg
I tried cranberry and Homey ran every time she saw me with a glob of it on my 
finger.  Not a happy camper.
 Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Some say that has no effect, as cats don't metabolize fruit all that well.
 
 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Would some type of cranberry extract help, maybe mixed with the recipe
  mentioned?  Holistic methods of UTI in humans uses cranberry juice, extract
  and capsules of cranberry extract for this type of situation.  Not sure
  cats and cranberries would get along very well but you might google that
  also.
 
 
  Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
  neighbors too!
 
 
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  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:17 PM
  *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 
  See http://holisticat.com/flutd.html   That site also has diet recipes,
  or you could write me for mine (which is a chicken version much like found
  on other sites).   Keep track of the urine pH (using a SmartCat
  litterbox?).  I found that Vitamin C didn't help much getting the acidity
  up, but feeding beef did.   You'll have to look at the recipes for
  preground meat, to get the right amount of calcium, etc., in there.
 
  Hill's Science diet is unscientific.   Dry is verboten no matter what it's
  made of.
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.comwrote:
 
  Hello All,
 
  My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had
  FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite
  the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday
  night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130
  dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were
  present in her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given
  Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a
  couple of cans of wet.
 
  My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet
  food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled
  at the dry food and turned away.
 
  After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry
  food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water
  intake!
 
  I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so
  what kind of food/diet did you switch to?
 
  Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty
  selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to
  feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were
  tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!
 
  So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!
 
  Emma Beauchamp
 
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  If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save
  their life.  Contact your local pound for information. 
  http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm
 
  If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
  to free up cage space.
 
 
  Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
  implementing the No Kill Equation:
  http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/
 
  Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
  http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/
 
  Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
 
  More fun reading:
  http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/
 
  More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
  http://vimeo.com/48445902
 
 
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 If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
 life.  Contact your local pound for information.
 http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm
 
 If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
 to free up cage space.
 
 
 Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
 implementing the No Kill Equation:
 

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-30 Thread Lee Evans
I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often 
with it.  So I finally quit using.  Water fountains are great.  Not only do the 
cats drink.  They sit for hours watching the water go round and round.  Only 
problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the fountain. 
Maybe they were trying to imitate it.  Who knows what goes through the minds of 
cats.  No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude.



 
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too!





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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 
Vets push the Hills because Hills says to.


 Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Hello All,

My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV 
probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV 
and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she 
contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she 
was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder.  
I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription 
diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet.  

My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food 
yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry 
food and turned away.  


After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food 
in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake!

I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
kind of food/diet did you switch to? 

Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! 

So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 

Emma Beauchamp



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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-30 Thread Lee Evans
Probably not a good suggestion.  Actually, only one of my cats liked it.  One 
Thanksgiving he got into the cranberry sauce and from then on, I would buy it 
for a treat for him but eventually, he got sick and tired of it and switched to 
asparagus and watermelon.  Go figure.  I loved that cat.  Wish he were still 
here today.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 
I tried cranberry and Homey ran every time she saw me with a glob of it on my 
finger.  Not a happy camper.
 Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Some say that has no effect, as cats don't metabolize fruit all that well.
 
 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Would some type of cranberry extract help, maybe mixed with the recipe
  mentioned?  Holistic methods of UTI in humans uses cranberry juice, extract
  and capsules of cranberry extract for this type of situation.  Not sure
  cats and cranberries would get along very well but you might google that
  also.
 
 
  Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
  neighbors too!
 
 
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  *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:17 PM
  *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 
  See http://holisticat.com/flutd.html   That site also has diet recipes,
  or you could write me for mine (which is a chicken version much like found
  on other sites).   Keep track of the urine pH (using a SmartCat
  litterbox?).  I found that Vitamin C didn't help much getting the acidity
  up, but feeding beef did.   You'll have to look at the recipes for
  preground meat, to get the right amount of calcium, etc., in there.
 
  Hill's Science diet is unscientific.   Dry is verboten no matter what it's
  made of.
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.comwrote:
 
  Hello All,
 
  My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had
  FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite
  the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday
  night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130
  dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were
  present in her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given
  Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a
  couple of cans of wet.
 
  My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet
  food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled
  at the dry food and turned away.
 
  After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry
  food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water
  intake!
 
  I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so
  what kind of food/diet did you switch to?
 
  Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty
  selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to
  feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were
  tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!
 
  So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!
 
  Emma Beauchamp
 
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  their life.  Contact your local pound for information. 
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  If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
  to free up cage space.
 
 
  Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
  implementing the No Kill Equation:
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  Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
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  Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
 
  More fun reading:
  http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-30 Thread Emma Beauchamp
Thanks for the link!





 From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 

See http://holisticat.com/flutd.html   That site also has diet recipes, or you 
could write me for mine (which is a chicken version much like found on other 
sites).   Keep track of the urine pH (using a SmartCat litterbox?).  I found 
that Vitamin C didn't help much getting the acidity up, but feeding beef did.   
You'll have to look at the recipes for preground meat, to get the right amount 
of calcium, etc., in there.

Hill's Science diet is unscientific.   Dry is verboten no matter what it's made 
of.



On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hello All,


My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had 
FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the 
FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) 
she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later 
she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her 
bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science 
Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of 
wet.  

My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food 
yesterday,
 but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry food and 
turned away.  



After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food 
in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake!

I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
kind of food/diet did you switch to? 

Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
switched to the Whiskas, and
 she seemed to like it more anyway! 

So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 

Emma Beauchamp

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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their 
life.  Contact your local pound for information. 


If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: 
http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902


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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-30 Thread Marcia Baronda
I would say any wet food and preferably without by products.  It may help to go 
to Tanya's CRF site and see what they recommend for wet food. My vet just gave 
me a free sample bag of Science diet kitten chow all the while telling me that 
cats are carnivores and need protein. Know what the 2nd ingredient is in that 
food? Whole corn! I guess my vet didn't read the ingredients.

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 

On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often 
 with it.  So I finally quit using.  Water fountains are great.  Not only do 
 the cats drink.  They sit for hours watching the water go round and round.  
 Only problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the 
 fountain. Maybe they were trying to imitate it.  Who knows what goes through 
 the minds of cats.  No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude.
 
 
  
 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
 neighbors too!
 
 
 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 
 Vets push the Hills because Hills says to.
 
 
  Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: 
  Hello All,
 
 My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had 
 FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite 
 the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday 
 night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars 
 later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in 
 her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science 
 Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of 
 wet.  
 
 My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet 
 food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at 
 the dry food and turned away.  
 
 
 After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry 
 food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water 
 intake!
 
 I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
 kind of food/diet did you switch to? 
 
 Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
 selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
 her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
 switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! 
 
 So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 
 
 Emma Beauchamp
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-30 Thread Marcia Baronda
I absolutely detest Science Diet.

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 

On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often 
 with it.  So I finally quit using.  Water fountains are great.  Not only do 
 the cats drink.  They sit for hours watching the water go round and round.  
 Only problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the 
 fountain. Maybe they were trying to imitate it.  Who knows what goes through 
 the minds of cats.  No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude.
 
 
  
 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
 neighbors too!
 
 
 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 
 Vets push the Hills because Hills says to.
 
 
  Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: 
  Hello All,
 
 My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had 
 FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite 
 the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday 
 night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars 
 later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in 
 her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science 
 Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of 
 wet.  
 
 My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet 
 food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at 
 the dry food and turned away.  
 
 
 After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry 
 food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water 
 intake!
 
 I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
 kind of food/diet did you switch to? 
 
 Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
 selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
 her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
 switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! 
 
 So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 
 
 Emma Beauchamp
 
 
 
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