Re: [Felvtalk] The War on Cats
Truer words were never spoken. I'm not overly fond of most humans who are not only misinformed, but are far more destructive than cats. Lorrie On 02-02, katskat1 wrote: AMEN! Kat On Saturday, February 2, 2013, Lee Evans wrote: There is so much nonsense, mythology and prejudice going around when it comes to diseases in general, whether cat, dog or human that it's a wonder any of us survive the ignorance rather than the disease. An acquaintance of mine was told by a licensed veterinarian that she needed to have her healthy FIV+ cat euthanized because humans can catch it from cats. Meow? My tenant, when I had a rent house, insisted that FIV was highly contagious but FeLv was NOT. Tail backwards. People to this day refuse to hug a person who is living with HIV but will shake hands with someone who has a horrid head cold and get all chummy with people who are coughing all over the air. Many veterinarians seem not to like cats to the point of finding reasons to put them to death. Others are simply too lazy to study new theories of medicine. In some cases, we have not traveled more than inches away from dancing around the bonfire to banish evil spirits as a cure for illness. Finally, we are now being treated to amazingly inflated statistics from almost comic studies that produced the startling news that cats kill rats and mice. Who would have thought!! Not just some rats and mice but toss in moles, voles and gophers, not to mention those things with wings that mostly fly. Stir with a hefty dose of sensationalism due to a slow news day, and you come up with BILLIONS of small mammals and birds being slaughtered and exterminated by feral cats. Please don't mention though that humans have hunted dozens of species to extinction just to have a head to hang on the wall or a rug for the floor, or as a way to stop male sexual dysfunction, or to carve into little statues or furniture (elephants) or just as a lovely delicacy to eat at a way overpriced fancy restaurant. (shark fin soup and other disgusting dishes). Sometimes it seems like humans will kill everything from snails to whales for the most trivial or ridiculous reason. However, just let it be known that cats kill mice and rats for a living and you have panic in the streets. Ah well, time to get off my soap box and go to bed. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Stomatitis
My Awesome Pawsome kitty just began doing this stuff. Pawing at her mouth, getting finicky and being standoffish when it comes to anywhere near her food bowl. She wasborn to an FeLV+ mom in a feral colony here in San Diego, and I tamed her at 5 weeks (to 8 weeks--took about 3 weeks) old with her siblings. 3 out of four kittens tested positive. In a couple of months time, only 1 out of 4 remained positive, and she is the one. She has been so healthy, save for an awful case of calici she got about ayear and a half ago which almost killed her, that I reallyhad been hoping she might stillturn negative. I have heard of this happening this late in the disease. She has been asymptomatic and so very normal looking for 3 years. But I think the time I have been dreading is approaching. She now has something going on in her mouth, just started last week and I took her to my vet. He said she has the early stages of stomatis, he is fairly sure, though he could find nothing really disconcerting right now to be worried about, and he gave her a shot of covenia. But at home, I see her mouth more swollen, and how she sticks out her tongue over and over in obvious distress of some sort... and I see it beginning.I have seen cats with bad cases of stomatitis and I am fearful for my Pawsome kitty. For a cat born with FeLV she has been so good for so long. People have told me three years is about tops for the life span of a cat born with FeLV that becomes persistently viremic, so I guess in that respect she is lucky she has made it so long so apparently healthy,but I guess she will not be so lucky as to turn at this point in time. So,I now am bracing myself for mouth problems in her. I wish I had a lot of money I would investigate that laser treatment for her,but I do not. I am in rescue, and I live on SSI, anyway, so between the two I am pretty broke all the time. haha (And I now have a cat with hyperthyroid, one with fatty liver, one with FeLV+, and one with the beginning stages of an anal sac problem,which I believe is the case because she is scooting her buns across the floor alot and cries out jat times while pooping. And two semi ferals in a double connected large dog cages, that can not be loose in the apt. that I need to find something suitable for Oh, and I am taking in a 17 yr old from West LA shelter, next week,as a favor to another rescue friend, and that one will need fluids daily, for renal issues And those are only the sick ones. What a sucker I am.) Anyway, I am, paying close attention to all of this, needless to say. Love and Katnip, ~Kat~ =^,,^= I'm Kat Parker. I park cats. http://www.facebook.com/kat.theCRITTERprotector -- Forwarded message -- From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/WHAT IS STOMATITIS? MY FELV CAT IS FINICKY Many of the cats I have had drooled after eating or slapped at the side of their mouth with their paw. The gum on the side that has stomatitis is usually bright red, inflamed looking and the cat does not like his whisker pad or that side of his face touched. In the beginning cases, they may be what looks like finicky because they are trying to avoid pain and the food they usually eats seems, to them, to be the culprit, so even when hungry, they will avoid that food. Stomatitis is not just for FIV+ or FeLv+ cats. It knows no boundaries unfortunately and perfectly healthy young cats can get it. Older cats with a history of no dental exams are, of course, more at risk. Stomatitis can also lead to kidney problems because of the bacterial build up in the mouth so you need to take at-risk cats to have them checked. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/WHAT IS STOMATITIS? MY FELV CAT IS FINICKY Check the mouth for sores. Usually cats will spit out there food or run away after trying to eat because it it painful. If she is looking thin I'd look at her gums to make sure they are pink. Most of mine have died from anemia, which is common in FeLV cats. If any of my cats start not acting right I take them in for bloodwork. There is so much they can tell that way. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] War on Cats and Others
Lee, I couldnt agree more, thank you for this email, I will never stop talking about animal rights to people, take care Sent from my iPhone On Feb 2, 2013, at 5:41 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: There is so much nonsense, mythology and prejudice going around when it comes to diseases in general, whether cat, dog or human that it's a wonder any of us survive the ignorance rather than the disease. An acquaintance of mine was told by a licensed veterinarian that she needed to have her healthy FIV+ cat euthanized because humans can catch it from cats. Meow? My tenant, when I had a rent house, insisted that FIV was highly contagious but FeLv was NOT. Tail backwards. People to this day refuse to hug a person who is living with HIV but will shake hands with someone who has a horrid head cold and get all chummy with people who are coughing all over the air. Many veterinarians seem not to like cats to the point of finding reasons to put them to death. Others are simply too lazy to study new theories of medicine. In some cases, we have not traveled more than inches away from dancing around the bonfire to banish evil spirits as a cure for illness. Finally, we are now being treated to amazingly inflated statistics from almost comic studies that produced the startling news that cats kill rats and mice. Who would have thought!! Not just some rats and mice but toss in moles, voles and gophers, not to mention those things with wings that mostly fly. Stir with a hefty dose of sensationalism due to a slow news day, and you come up with BILLIONS of small mammals and birds being slaughtered and exterminated by feral cats. Please don't mention though that humans have hunted dozens of species to extinction just to have a head to hang on the wall or a rug for the floor, or as a way to stop male sexual dysfunction, or to carve into little statues or furniture (elephants) or just as a lovely delicacy to eat at a way overpriced fancy restaurant. (shark fin soup and other disgusting dishes). Sometimes it seems like humans will kill everything from snails to whales for the most trivial or ridiculous reason. However, just let it be known that cats kill mice and rats for a living and you have panic in the streets. Ah well, time to get off my soap box and go to bed. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Studies
I noticed something about humans that is unique to our species. We seem to have an endless ability to purposely misunderstand what is being said or proposed. And we put absolute faith in studies. As the secretary of an animal rights organization, a genuine 501 c-3, I have been asked why I was advocating that animals be given the same benefits as humans and wouldn't that be terribly expensive. Duh? I think these people were mostly worried about their own right to eat cows, chickens, sheep, pigs, turkeys, and other edible beings. But I even hear, on occasion that animal rights advocates want there to be some form of education for animals and that if we have our way, there would eventually be no more animals on Earth because we are against ;breeding dogs and cats, etc.. Really! And when I happened to mention animal welfare, I got the response that there are enough lazy people on welfare, we don't need to put animals on welfare in addition. Welcome to the Twilight Zoned Out. OK. I feel it necessary to clear up all these misconceptions with a name change. From now on I will tell people I am an Animal Advocate. That means that I speak up for animals. Right? Except in UK where it would mean that an animal can hire me as a lawyer. I also seem to have read somewhere that rats, mice, voles, etc. reproduce, much as any other mammal does. A study shows that if the entire New York Sewer system was emptied of rats and mice and a few alligators, if a male and female rat and a male and female mouse were to be placed there on January 1, in just under a year, the entire New York Sewer system would have the same number of rodents as it had before. This study is based on absolutely no verifiable research, and is simply a product of an over-active imagination. As is the study that cats kill BILLIONS of small mammals and birds each year. I need a cup of coffee. Uh, no. Last study I read, coffee was not good for the health. But that was refuted by the former study that it is good for the health and can prevent senility. However, I can't have a sandwich any more because whole wheat or any wheat, oats, bananas, orange juice, and most food is a health hazard, except for animal based food I guess because I haven't seen any studies recently to prove that animal protein is harmful and the myth of clogged arteries from animal fat has been debunked, rebunked and debunked again. I'm down to eating floor dust. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Alev alev_dur...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] War on Cats and Others Lee, I couldnt agree more, thank you for this email, I will never stop talking about animal rights to people, take care Sent from my iPhone On Feb 2, 2013, at 5:41 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: There is so much nonsense, mythology and prejudice going around when it comes to diseases in general, whether cat, dog or human that it's a wonder any of us survive the ignorance rather than the disease. An acquaintance of mine was told by a licensed veterinarian that she needed to have her healthy FIV+ cat euthanized because humans can catch it from cats. Meow? My tenant, when I had a rent house, insisted that FIV was highly contagious but FeLv was NOT. Tail backwards. People to this day refuse to hug a person who is living with HIV but will shake hands with someone who has a horrid head cold and get all chummy with people who are coughing all over the air. Many veterinarians seem not to like cats to the point of finding reasons to put them to death. Others are simply too lazy to study new theories of medicine. In some cases, we have not traveled more than inches away from dancing around the bonfire to banish evil spirits as a cure for illness. Finally, we are now being treated to amazingly inflated statistics from almost comic studies that produced the startling news that cats kill rats and mice. Who would have thought!! Not just some rats and mice but toss in moles, voles and gophers, not to mention those things with wings that mostly fly. Stir with a hefty dose of sensationalism due to a slow news day, and you come up with BILLIONS of small mammals and birds being slaughtered and exterminated by feral cats. Please don't mention though that humans have hunted dozens of species to extinction just to have a head to hang on the wall or a rug for the floor, or as a way to stop male sexual dysfunction, or to carve into little statues or furniture (elephants) or just as a lovely delicacy to eat at a way overpriced fancy restaurant. (shark fin soup and other disgusting dishes). Sometimes it seems like humans will kill everything from snails to whales for the most trivial or ridiculous reason. However, just let it be known that cats kill mice and
Re: [Felvtalk] Studies
Hey Lee, Somebody posted on fb that, in a zoo somewhere in Norway- I think- there is a cave and the name plate on it says the most dangerous predator lives here and inside, there are just mirrors... I never liked people who don't like animals but now I detest them-And I found out that not every pet owner really care for animals either...I still have been calling places to find a way to make myself heard about killing animals unneccasserily, they say unless they were not killed by steel pipes, or kicked to death killing them is OK, because it is humane...I see nothing humane in killing helpless animals. And I am not even talking about-yet-the animals grown for us to eat-The good news is, the lady who very casually told me that they put her to sleep stepped down... I am not sure if my complaint was the reason but I am glad. I hope next person is better than her but either way I will not stop badgering people about animal rights. Yes everything we eat, drink have many chemicals, try to avoid as much as you can and eat less, at least you consume less chemicals this way:) I have to go now, I have a job interview tomorrow and I am so nervous. Take care, Alev PS: You are working in an animal shelter right? Am I mistaken? From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 3:56 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Studies I noticed something about humans that is unique to our species. We seem to have an endless ability to purposely misunderstand what is being said or proposed. And we put absolute faith in studies. As the secretary of an animal rights organization, a genuine 501 c-3, I have been asked why I was advocating that animals be given the same benefits as humans and wouldn't that be terribly expensive. Duh? I think these people were mostly worried about their own right to eat cows, chickens, sheep, pigs, turkeys, and other edible beings. But I even hear, on occasion that animal rights advocates want there to be some form of education for animals and that if we have our way, there would eventually be no more animals on Earth because we are against ;breeding dogs and cats, etc.. Really! And when I happened to mention animal welfare, I got the response that there are enough lazy people on welfare, we don't need to put animals on welfare in addition. Welcome to the Twilight Zoned Out. OK. I feel it necessary to clear up all these misconceptions with a name change. From now on I will tell people I am an Animal Advocate. That means that I speak up for animals. Right? Except in UK where it would mean that an animal can hire me as a lawyer. I also seem to have read somewhere that rats, mice, voles, etc. reproduce, much as any other mammal does. A study shows that if the entire New York Sewer system was emptied of rats and mice and a few alligators, if a male and female rat and a male and female mouse were to be placed there on January 1, in just under a year, the entire New York Sewer system would have the same number of rodents as it had before. This study is based on absolutely no verifiable research, and is simply a product of an over-active imagination. As is the study that cats kill BILLIONS of small mammals and birds each year. I need a cup of coffee. Uh, no. Last study I read, coffee was not good for the health. But that was refuted by the former study that it is good for the health and can prevent senility. However, I can't have a sandwich any more because whole wheat or any wheat, oats, bananas, orange juice, and most food is a health hazard, except for animal based food I guess because I haven't seen any studies recently to prove that animal protein is harmful and the myth of clogged arteries from animal fat has been debunked, rebunked and debunked again. I'm down to eating floor dust. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Alev alev_dur...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] War on Cats and Others Lee, I couldnt agree more, thank you for this email, I will never stop talking about animal rights to people, take care Sent from my iPhone On Feb 2, 2013, at 5:41 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: There is so much nonsense, mythology and prejudice going around when it comes to diseases in general, whether cat, dog or human that it's a wonder any of us survive the ignorance rather than the disease. An acquaintance of mine was told by a licensed veterinarian that she needed to have her healthy FIV+ cat euthanized because humans can catch it from cats. Meow? My tenant, when I had a rent house, insisted that FIV was highly contagious but FeLv was NOT. Tail backwards. People to this day refuse to hug a person who is living with HIV
[Felvtalk] Introduction
Hi everyone, I am new to this group--and new to FeLV. I just took in an FeLV+ kitty from the shelter where I am a volunteer. Her name is Dani and she is beautiful. Long story short, she and her three siblings were found outside in a box when they were about a week old. They came to the shelter and tested positive for FeLV (ELISA). They were retested and again it was positive. At 9 weeks, they had an IFA test, all positive. During this time, they were bottle fed until about 8 weeks, shuttled to and from the shelter by a staff member. They were also treated for URIs with azithromycin. The shelter cultures all incoming cats for ringworm and unfortunately theirs came back positive, so they were dipped in lyme a couple of times a week for a while and put on Itraconazole. Dani took longer to shake it off and so was completely alone for some time. During their time at the shelter they were vaccinated with 2 rounds of FVRCP, a rabies vaccine and spayed/neutered. Sadly, Dani's littermates all came down with different issues (I don't know all the details, but I know the vet suspected FIP) and were euthanized. Little Dani was left alone, in a bathroom with no windows, and not many visitors. The second I found out about her, I set up the sun room off my bedroom (it was unheated but fixed that fast) and took her home. Anyway, I wanted to give the whole background so you know just how much she has been through in her short life. While even here it is not optimal--she is isolated--it is so much better than being stuck in the stuffy bathroom. Here, she bird watches, has a ton of toys, a much better diet and a ton of cuddles (though not as much as I wish. I have 17 other cats.) I have two big questions: is it possible for her to become negative with a positive IFA result at 9 weeks? And, second: how do I best care for her? I have her on a high quality canned only diet (wellness and weruva--no fish) and minimize stress as much as possible. Are there supplements I should be giving? Are NuCat vitamins recommended? Are my food choices OK for her? I will never vaccinate or even take her to a vet (I'd have one come to me if necessary to minimize stress.) I feel terrible she is alone a lot of the time and I have thought about bringing in another young FeLV + kitty for her, but I am worried about causing stress, having it backfire. I have all the patience in the world when it comes to having cats work out issues, but I'm also very careful when bringing in a new cat, quarantining for a couple of weeks, letting her explore while I put others in other rooms, etc. But I wouldn't have that ability to do so with a companion for Dani as I literally don't have any rooms left. Sorry for such a long post! I really want to do right by her. I love her to pieces. Thank you! Laura and Dani girl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Introduction pt 2
I should have mentioned that Dani is now 8 months and so far is in good health, eating well, very playful. Though a bit gassy and stool on softer side, but attributing that to the diet change. After looking more at the FeLV website I see the supplemental recommendations...are these warranted at her age/health status? And really curious if anyone uses Nucat vitamins. Thanks again! Laura and sweet Dani girl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] War on Cats and Others
Take heart: http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/02/03/170851048/do-we-really-know-that-cats-kill-by-the-billions-not-so-fast On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 1:41 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: There is so much nonsense, mythology and prejudice going around when it comes to diseases in general, whether cat, dog or human that it's a wonder any of us survive the ignorance rather than the disease. An acquaintance of mine was told by a licensed veterinarian that she needed to have her healthy FIV+ cat euthanized because humans can catch it from cats. Meow? My tenant, when I had a rent house, insisted that FIV was highly contagious but FeLv was NOT. Tail backwards. People to this day refuse to hug a person who is living with HIV but will shake hands with someone who has a horrid head cold and get all chummy with people who are coughing all over the air. Many veterinarians seem not to like cats to the point of finding reasons to put them to death. Others are simply too lazy to study new theories of medicine. In some cases, we have not traveled more than inches away from dancing around the bonfire to banish evil spirits as a cure for illness. Finally, we are now being treated to amazingly inflated statistics from almost comic studies that produced the startling news that cats kill rats and mice. Who would have thought!! Not just some rats and mice but toss in moles, voles and gophers, not to mention those things with wings that mostly fly. Stir with a hefty dose of sensationalism due to a slow news day, and you come up with BILLIONS of small mammals and birds being slaughtered and exterminated by feral cats. Please don't mention though that humans have hunted dozens of species to extinction just to have a head to hang on the wall or a rug for the floor, or as a way to stop male sexual dysfunction, or to carve into little statues or furniture (elephants) or just as a lovely delicacy to eat at a way overpriced fancy restaurant. (shark fin soup and other disgusting dishes). Sometimes it seems like humans will kill everything from snails to whales for the most trivial or ridiculous reason. However, just let it be known that cats kill mice and rats for a living and you have panic in the streets. Ah well, time to get off my soap box and go to bed. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster a bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, then foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% (and as high as 99%) of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation. No Kill Quick Facts: http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=11718 Here's the current growing list of communities saving 90% or more of their shelter intake: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar). Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' page for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
