Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts

[Amanda K. Payne]

Thank you everyone!!  As you can imagine, I'm a wreck over it.  I'm also
housesitting at the moment and can't be with her at night.  Though she's
with my boyfriend who loves her dearly, I feel awful that I'm not there to
comfort her. Over the last ten years, I've had my cats die from FeLV, FIP
and now Polli is also deathly ill with FeLV.  None of the cats ever met one
another but it seems I'm a sucker for sick kitties. The cats I rescue and I
just can't seem to catch a break.

Lance, I haven't had the vet give her a transfusion.  The vet we went to
(whom I don't care for) diagnosed her with non regenerative anemia back in
March.  FeLV is wreaking havoc on her bone marrow and it's just not
producing enough red and white blood cells.  A transfusion would maybe give
her a few more weeks, if that.

Margo, I'm not sure if there is anything I can do.  She was doing okay
before I brought home a nasty URI (I volunteer with several rescues and
must have somehow exposed her to it).  She of course caught it.  I gave her
Clavamox for two days before she just crashed. The Clavamox caused her to
poo herself for hours on end and she deteriorated after that.  I took her
off Clavamox and decided to look for a better vet.  My vet doesn't seem
interested in helping what she thinks is a lost cause.

Watching her get sick just makes me start to doubt all my decisions.  Could
I have done something better? Did I bring something home from the shelters
I volunteer at that may eventually kill her?  I know it is what it is but
like many of you, I just can't help from wondering if I could have done
something differently that would prolong her time.

I'll keep you all updated and thank you again for the support.

Best,
-Amanda


On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netwrote:


  We're here, Amanda.



  Please know that Polli is getting LOTS of positive energy
 and hope sent her way.  Are you able to do anything for her, at this point?



  I know everyone wishes her (and you) the very best,



 Margo



 -Original Message-
 From: Amanda K. Payne



 **
 Sent: Jun 25, 2013 2:09 PM
 To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts

 Hi everyone!

 Please send some good energy to my Polli.  She's have a rough few days and
 I'm not sure she'll come out of this.  She was diagnosed with severe anemia
 back at the beginning of March. She rebounded but not completely.
  Recently, her breathing has become a bit more labored. We also noticed
 she's pulling out her own fur andsome strange lumps on her stomach.  I'm
 really worried that the end is near for her and feel so guilty that I
 couldn't do more. Please keep us in your thoughts.  It's going to be a
 tough few days.

 Best,
 -Amanda

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Re: [Felvtalk] Callie

[Amanda K. Payne]

Lance,

Callie is definitely in my thoughts and prayers and is Ember and you.
 Hopefully, her immune system will step up and kick some FeLV butt.  Adult
cats have such an easier time kicking that nasty virus.  I've read tons of
stories through this forum and have experience with positives mixing with
negatives.  It seems more often than not that it ends up okay.  Polli lives
with an older cat, Alfred.  For six months they played, groomed one
another, shared water and litter boxes and even gave each other a few
scratches.  Alfred was tested when I first got him but Polli was a random
kitten we found in our backyard who we didn't intend to keep.  I also had a
naive notion that since I've already had one FeLV kitty chances are I
wouldn't have another (WRONG). I was worried sick that I exposed him to
FeLV through Polli and beat myself up over it for a while.  However,
despite all the time they spent together and all the things they shared,
Alfred is still negative.  I have to test him again in a few months but I
honestly feel he'll be okay.

Hang in there, Lance, and try not to beat yourself up over it so much,
though I know it's hard not to.  You can't change what happened and can
only focus on what each day brings you (something I also need to learn)!

Best,
-Amanda


On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Loose stools are really not a sign of a cat going FeLv+. It could be just
 about anything - from eating something different to stress to an unrelated
 bug that you brought in with you from outside. Really Lance, you can't
 keep a cat in a sterile bubble. I'm not saying that a bite from a positive
 cat is not serious but most cats who are well cared for, have enough
 immunity to ward off anything serious from a bite. In addition, Ember is
 not active for leukemia. She has tested positive. Yes, she could spread it
 through fighting and biting but it's more likely that she didn't.



 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!


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 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:26 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Callie

 Me too. I'm not trying to downplay your feelings at all. I just hate to
 see you be so hard on yourself over this. I tend to do the same and I just
 need someone to point it out. Give positive vibes, it will help her more
 than you being stressed(-:
 Take care

 Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(:


 On Jun 24, 2013, at 7:12 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

  Thanks, everyone. Please keep our tabby girl (Callie) in your thoughts
 and prayers. A bite is very serious, and I suspect that the loose stools
 mean she's dealing with the infection. Hoping she ends up as a negative.
 
  Lance
 
  On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi Lance
  We don't have control over everything. C'mon, yours on this list, that
 means you love your cat! And as far as I'm concerned, anybody that loves
 cats the way all of us do, is a damn good human being. -:
 
  Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(:
 
 
  On Jun 24, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 
  Hi everyone,
 
  Please pray for my mom's cat, Callie. I mentioned her here a few weeks
  ago, after my FeLV+ cat, Ember, bit Callie when she accidentally got
  into Ember's room. Callie has had soft stools for the last four days,
  and there was blood on her stool on Saturday. Since Callie hasn't been
  vaccinated since she was a kitten, she probably has no immunity from
  that route. She is 7 years old, and I'm hoping that she'll be able to
  deal with the virus better having a more mature immune system. People
  talk about age resistance with FeLV, but I don't think it can be
  relied on.
 
  I'm dealing with an incredible amount of guilt over this. I love Callie
  like I love Ember. She's one of my favorite cats ever. It was my fault
  that she got into Ember's room, and it's my fault that Ember is still
  here with my parents. It's also my fault that we didn't vaccinate
  Callie, as I worried about vax site sarcoma for Callie, and the few
  run-ins that had happened between the two cats over the last seven
 years
  were always brief and friendly. I also feel guilty as, if I'd just
  gotten in the room (quite literally) a minute or so sooner, this
  wouldn't have happened.
 
  Please pray that Callie can fight the virus so that she isn't
  persistently infected, and please pray for me. I'm dealing with a lot.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Lance
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts

[Lorrie]

Amanda, My thoughts are with you, because I have had many FelV cats over the
years. Once this virus is in their bone marrow they will not produce enough
red blood cells, and death is inevitable.  Her vital organs will shut down
and she will slowly suffocate. A transfusion will only buy her a few weeks if
that long.  Gentle euthanasia is the only option. I am so sorry, but this is
the kindest thing you can do for her.

Lorrie


On 06-25, Amanda K. Payne wrote:
Thank you everyone!!  As you can imagine, I'm a wreck over it.  I'm
also housesitting at the moment and can't be with her at night.  Though
she's with my boyfriend who loves her dearly, I feel awful that I'm not
there to comfort her. Over the last ten years, I've had my cats die
from FeLV, FIP and now Polli is also deathly ill with FeLV.  



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Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts

[Margo]

Lorrie wrote;

Once this virus is in their bone marrow they will not produce enough red blood 
cells, and death is inevitable.


  I see this differently. So does The Winn Foundation. They say;

Finally, some cats can develop latent or sequestered infection. This probably 
happens to about 5-10% of cats. These cats, whose virus is hiding in sites such 
as the bone marrow, will rarely be contagious and are unlikely to develop 
illness. They will not test positive on routine testing.

 That is from http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/pages/felv_web.pdf  

 The AAFP also seems to feel differently;

 http://jfm.sagepub.com/content/10/3/300.full  

 from 2008 says;

Regressive infection is accompanied by an effective immune response, and virus 
replication is contained prior to or at the time of bone marrow infection. Cats 
with regressive infection are at little risk of developing FeLV-associated 
diseases. FeLV is integrated into the cat's genome, but viral shedding does not 
occur (Pedersen et al 1977, Lutz et al 1983, Flynn et al 2000, 2002). 

Following infection, regressive and progressive infections can be distinguished 
by repeated testing for viral antigen in peripheral blood (Torres et al 2005). 
Most infected cats initially become antigen positive within 2–3 weeks after 
virus exposure. They may then test negative for viral antigen 2–8 weeks later 
or, in rare cases, even after many months (regressive infection). Both 
progressive and regressive infections are almost always accompanied by 
persistent FeLV proviral DNA in blood. Some infected cats never develop 
detectable antigenemia. In this case, real-time PCR is more sensitive than 
antigen detection to detect FeLV exposure

 Neither of these sources (and I have others, but those are from the 
best known entities) seem to feel that bone marrow involvement is inevitably 
fatal. 

 It is possible that euthanasia is the best option for Polli, but I 
don't believe that a cat sero-converting to negative gives an imminent death 
sentence.

Just my thoughts,

Best of healing energies to Polli, 

Margo




-Original Message-
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Sent: Jun 26, 2013 6:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts

Amanda, My thoughts are with you, because I have had many FelV cats over the
years. Once this virus is in their bone marrow they will not produce enough
red blood cells, and death is inevitable.  Her vital organs will shut down
and she will slowly suffocate. A transfusion will only buy her a few weeks if
that long.  Gentle euthanasia is the only option. I am so sorry, but this is
the kindest thing you can do for her.

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts

[Lance]

I've also read that there are several FeLV viruses. The virus that is
contagious is the main virus, while two other viruses arise within the
cat after the main virus interacts with the cat's DNA. So-called
FeLV-B is responsible for increased cancer risk while FeLV-C is
responsible for the kind of severe anemia we sometimes see.

In Ember's case, I'm wondering if those viruses were made. When she
has had anemia, it's been very mild (discovered incidentally and not by
symptoms), so I'm not sure it was the type of anemia that FeLV can
convey. I think those viruses might not always arise in all FeLV cats,
as they rely on information already present in the cat's DNA.

I also think that we don't know enough about FeLV, so the main virus
may cause a lot of anemia we see, and the information I mentioned is
outdated.

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 05:43 AM, Lorrie wrote:
 Amanda, My thoughts are with you, because I have had many FelV cats over
 the
 years. Once this virus is in their bone marrow they will not produce
 enough
 red blood cells, and death is inevitable.  Her vital organs will shut
 down
 and she will slowly suffocate. A transfusion will only buy her a few
 weeks if
 that long.  Gentle euthanasia is the only option. I am so sorry, but this
 is
 the kindest thing you can do for her.
 
 Lorrie
 
 
 On 06-25, Amanda K. Payne wrote:
 Thank you everyone!!  As you can imagine, I'm a wreck over it.  I'm
 also housesitting at the moment and can't be with her at night.  Though
 she's with my boyfriend who loves her dearly, I feel awful that I'm not
 there to comfort her. Over the last ten years, I've had my cats die
 from FeLV, FIP and now Polli is also deathly ill with FeLV.  
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] congenital peritoneopericardial diaphragmatic hernia

[Lance]

We think it is congenital. I don't know of anything she's gone through
since I had her that would cause trauma resulting in a hernia. I've seen
her take some big leaps and fly across the room to land awkwardly on
something, but I don't think those had that kind of impact. 

I'm going to talk to her primary vet soon. I've now spoken to several
vets, and they are all advising caution. I just don't want her symptoms
to get worse (ie her to feel worse or to be threatened). We're going
into an awkward few weeks with a holiday and some issues I'll have with
getting her to surgery. We'll either need to do surgery in the next week
or two, or she'll have to wait a few weeks. 

On Tue, Jun 25, 2013, at 04:30 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 HOW is Ember doing?
 Is this a congenital thing?
 
  Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: 
  My 11 year old FeLV+, Ember, was diagnosed with a congenital 
  peritoneopericardial diaphragmatic hernia after CT scans and a consult 
  between a surgeon and a radiologist. 
  
  So far, her symptoms haven't been too scary: rapid breathing (but not open 
  mouth breathing or panting) and an odd posture she sometimes assumes where 
  she will stand with her forelegs and lie down with her back legs. This 
  tells me that she might be having some discomfort (one lobe of her liver is 
  involved in the hernia). She settles into lying down without problem, and 
  she rests normally. 
  
  The symptoms have only begun in the last few months, as far as I know 
  (Ember and I weren't in the same part of the world for almost a year). We'd 
  been fearing cancer, so this would seem to be good news.
  
  The surgeon is gung-ho to take care of business, and he has an excellent 
  reputation with a lot of experience and education. However, I just spoke to 
  one of Ember's two vets about this, and he said, If she were my cat, I 
  don't think I would do it. He's concerned about moving the liver, and more 
  importantly, about the surgeon having enough to work with when the hernia 
  is likely congenital.
  
  Has anyone on the list had experience with congenital hernias in cats? I'd 
  really like to get some more input before I make a decision.
  
  Thanks,
  
  Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts

[Margo]

Two drawbacks for Convenia.If the cat reacts badly, there's no way to discontinue the drug, it's in the systemfor two weeks (more or less). Two, it is generally prescribed for skin infections, and sometimes FLUTD. Doesn't seem to be considered effective for secondary bacterial infectionsoften concurrentwith a URI. In most common URIs , only an anti-viral will actually affect the primary disease. Clavamox, clindamycin, baytril, and sometimes doxycycline can help with the possible bacterial component(s).

 I used Naxcel and Zenequin for Gribble when he was so ill, but I don't really know if it helped, or he got better in spite of my efforts. Famciclovir seemed very helpful with both my boys recently, but there's no literature on using it with an FeLV positive cat, and it's basically only effective against herpes.

HTH

Margo

 
-Original Message- From: ance Sent: Jun 26, 2013 11:45 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts 
I'm glad that Polli has your boyfriend. I really feel that love (which is, in a way, the flipside of stress) helps fight the disease and gives cats a reason to fight and live. I wonder if Convenia would help the URI (it's just another abx). I've only used it once, so I can't vouch for it too much, but it seemed ot help. Maybe another vet would be more willing to try something different. 

You and Polli are in my thoughts and prayers.

Lance


On Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 01:02 AM, Amanda K. Payne wrote:


Thank you everyone!! As you can imagine, I'm a wreck over it. I'm also housesitting at the moment and can't be with her at night. Though she's with my boyfriend who loves her dearly, I feel awful that I'm not there to comfort her. Over the last ten years, I've had my cats die from FeLV, FIP and now Polli is also deathly ill with FeLV. None of the cats ever met one another but it seems I'm a sucker for sick kitties. The cats I rescue and I just can't seem to catch a break. 


Lance, I haven't had the vet give her a transfusion. The vet we went to (whom I don't care for) diagnosed her with non regenerative anemia back in March. FeLV is wreaking havoc on her bone marrow and it's just not producing enough red and white blood cells. A transfusion would maybe give her a few more weeks, if that.

Margo, I'm not sure if there is anything I can do. She was doing okay before I brought home a nasty URI (I volunteer with several rescues and must have somehow exposed her to it). She of course caught it. I gave her Clavamox for two days before she just crashed. The Clavamox caused her to poo herself for hours on end and she deteriorated after that. I took her off Clavamox and decided to look for a better vet. My vet doesn't seem interested in helping what she thinks is a lost cause.

Watching her get sick just makes me start to doubt all my decisions. Could I have done something better? Did I bring something home from the shelters I volunteer at that may eventually kill her? I know it is what it is but like many of you, I just can't help from wondering if I could have done something differently that would prolong her time.

I'll keep you all updated and thank you again for the support.

Best,
-Amanda




On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:





We're here, Amanda.

 Please know that Polli is getting LOTS of positive energy and hope sent her way. Are you able to do anything for her, at this point?

 I know everyone wishes her (and you) the very best,

Margo

-Original Message- 
From: "Amanda K. Payne" 


Sent: Jun 25, 2013 2:09 PM 
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts 

Hi everyone! 

Please send some good energy to my Polli. She's have a rough few days and I'm not sure she'll come out of this. She was diagnosed with severe anemia back at the beginning of March. She rebounded but not completely. Recently, her breathing has become a bit more labored. We also noticed she's pulling out her own fur andsome strange lumps on her stomach. I'm really worried that the end is near for her and feel so guilty that I couldn't do more. Please keep us in your thoughts. It's going to be a tough few days.


Best,

-Amanda


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts

[Lance]

Margo,

That's a very good point to make about Convenia. My vet was very reluctant to 
use it on Ember because it stays around so long. It ended up happening anyway 
(I was out of state, and my dad was panicking about a URI Ember was dealing 
with). Fortunately, she had no problems tolerating it.

There's a lot of info online about Convenia. Some people avoid it, but I would 
use it on Ember again, knowing that she did well on it.

Lance

On Jun 26, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:

 
  Two drawbacks for Convenia. If the cat reacts badly, there's no way to 
 discontinue the drug, it's in the system for two weeks (more or less). Two, 
 it is generally prescribed for skin infections, and sometimes FLUTD. Doesn't 
 seem to be considered effective for secondary bacterial infections often 
 concurrent with a URI. In most common URIs , only an anti-viral will actually 
 affect the primary disease. Clavamox, clindamycin, baytril, and sometimes 
 doxycycline can help with the possible bacterial component(s).
  
   I used Naxcel and Zenequin for Gribble when he was 
 so ill, but I don't really know if it helped, or he got better in spite of my 
 efforts. Famciclovir seemed very helpful with both my boys recently, but 
 there's no literature on using it with an FeLV positive cat, and it's 
 basically only effective against herpes.
  
 HTH
  
 Margo
  
   
 -Original Message- 
 From: ance 
 Sent: Jun 26, 2013 11:45 AM 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts 
 
 I'm glad that Polli has your boyfriend. I really feel that love (which is, in 
 a way, the flipside of stress) helps fight the disease and gives cats a 
 reason to fight and live. I wonder if Convenia would help the URI (it's just 
 another abx). I've only used it once, so I can't vouch for it too much, but 
 it seemed ot help. Maybe another vet would be more willing to try something 
 different. 
  
 You and Polli are in my thoughts and prayers.
  
 Lance
  
  
 On Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 01:02 AM, Amanda K. Payne wrote:
 Thank you everyone!!  As you can imagine, I'm a wreck over it.  I'm also 
 housesitting at the moment and can't be with her at night.  Though she's 
 with my boyfriend who loves her dearly, I feel awful that I'm not there to 
 comfort her. Over the last ten years, I've had my cats die from FeLV, FIP 
 and now Polli is also deathly ill with FeLV.  None of the cats ever met one 
 another but it seems I'm a sucker for sick kitties. The cats I rescue and I 
 just can't seem to catch a break.  
  
  
 Lance, I haven't had the vet give her a transfusion.  The vet we went to 
 (whom I don't care for) diagnosed her with non regenerative anemia back in 
 March.  FeLV is wreaking havoc on her bone marrow and it's just not 
 producing enough red and white blood cells.  A transfusion would maybe give 
 her a few more weeks, if that. 
  
 Margo, I'm not sure if there is anything I can do.  She was doing okay 
 before I brought home a nasty URI (I volunteer with several rescues and must 
 have somehow exposed her to it).  She of course caught it.  I gave her 
 Clavamox for two days before she just crashed. The Clavamox caused her to 
 poo herself for hours on end and she deteriorated after that.  I took her 
 off Clavamox and decided to look for a better vet.  My vet doesn't seem 
 interested in helping what she thinks is a lost cause.
  
 Watching her get sick just makes me start to doubt all my decisions.  Could 
 I have done something better? Did I bring something home from the shelters I 
 volunteer at that may eventually kill her?  I know it is what it is but like 
 many of you, I just can't help from wondering if I could have done something 
 differently that would prolong her time.
  
 I'll keep you all updated and thank you again for the support.
  
 Best,
 -Amanda
  
  
 On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:
  
  
 We're here, Amanda.
 
  Please know that Polli is getting LOTS of positive energy 
 and hope sent her way.  Are you able to do anything for her, at this point?
 
  I know everyone wishes her (and you) the very best,
 
 Margo
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: Amanda K. Payne 
 
 
 Sent: Jun 25, 2013 2:09 PM 
 To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts 
  
 Hi everyone!
  
 Please send some good energy to my Polli.  She's have a rough few days and 
 I'm not sure she'll come out of this.  She was diagnosed with severe anemia 
 back at the beginning of March. She rebounded but not completely.  Recently, 
 her breathing has become a bit more labored. We also noticed she's pulling 
 out her own fur andsome strange lumps on her stomach.  I'm really worried 
 that the end is near for her and feel so guilty that I couldn't do more. 
 Please keep us in your thoughts.  It's going to be a 

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http://www.fwgrills.com/fngbtlvz/gpt.htm

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts

[Lorrie]

 
   I see this differently. So does The Winn Foundation. They say;
 
 Finally, some cats can develop latent or sequestered infection. This
 probably happens to about 5-10% of cats. These cats, whose virus is hiding
 in sites such as the bone marrow, will rarely be contagious and are
 unlikely to develop illness. They will not test positive on routine
 testing.

True, IF the virus is latent and hiding in the bone marrow, but when a cat
is severely anemic the virus is active, and the cat will suffer a painful
death.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts

[Beth]

Yes, anemia is no way to go.


 
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 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts
 

 
           I see this differently. So does The Winn Foundation. They say;
 
 Finally, some cats can develop latent or sequestered infection. This
 probably happens to about 5-10% of cats. These cats, whose virus is hiding
 in sites such as the bone marrow, will rarely be contagious and are
 unlikely to develop illness. They will not test positive on routine
 testing.

True, IF the virus is latent and hiding in the bone marrow, but when a cat
is severely anemic the virus is active, and the cat will suffer a painful
death.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts

[Margo]

Lorrie wrote;True, IF the virus is latent and hiding in the bone marrow, but 
when a cat
is severely anemic the virus is active, and the cat will suffer a painful
death.

  I must have missed something, sorry. What I saw Amanda say was;

She was diagnosed with severe anemia back at the beginning of March. She 
rebounded but not completely.  Recently, her breathing has become a bit more 
labored.

  This indicated to me that the severe anemia had responded once, and 
that at this point, I didn't think that there had been a CBC done recently. 

Again, my apologies. I wanted to encourage and support Amanda, but since Polli 
has been confirmed as severely anemic (HCT 10-15, I believe) and no treatment 
is planned, then yes, euthanasia is probably best. I had thought that the 
anemia related to FeLV was less well understood. I'll keep researching.

I'm so sorry.

Margo

 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts

[Amanda K. Payne]

Her anemia isn't really understood; it comes and goes so I'm wary of the
non regenerative anemia diagnosis. I'm not sure if her recent problems
are related to anemia or to the URI.  We're looking for a new vet at the
moment.  As soon as I know more, I'll let you all know.

-Amanda


On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netwrote:

 Lorrie wrote;True, IF the virus is latent and hiding in the bone marrow,
 but when a cat
 is severely anemic the virus is active, and the cat will suffer a painful
 death.

   I must have missed something, sorry. What I saw Amanda say was;

 She was diagnosed with severe anemia back at the beginning of March. She
 rebounded but not completely.  Recently, her breathing has become a bit
 more labored.

   This indicated to me that the severe anemia had responded once,
 and that at this point, I didn't think that there had been a CBC done
 recently.

 Again, my apologies. I wanted to encourage and support Amanda, but since
 Polli has been confirmed as severely anemic (HCT 10-15, I believe) and no
 treatment is planned, then yes, euthanasia is probably best. I had thought
 that the anemia related to FeLV was less well understood. I'll keep
 researching.

 I'm so sorry.

 Margo




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Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts

[dlgegg]

My problem isn't URI but on and off diarrhea.  Casey is 15 and most of the 5 
years I have had her, she has had this problem.  It goes away for 6 months and 
then comes back again.  The vet didn't find parasites in her stool, but did 
find a bacterial thing.  He gave her a shot of Covina  and we brought home 
Orbax to give her orally.  It seems to have quieted down a bit and is no longer 
full blown diahhrea, but not really formed stools.  Any one have any 
suggestions.  we are at our wits end.  Nothing we do seems to stop it for good. 
 I don't know her background as she came from a rescuer who passed suddenly and 
her 23 cats were taken to Pals, a no kill rescue.  All were adopted but Casey 
and Lil Bit who were 9 years old then.  They were strays when the rescuer got 
them.  We have used Covenia before for Homie and Lil Bit and so far no one has 
had a bad reaction.  


 Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: 
 Margo,
 
 That's a very good point to make about Convenia. My vet was very reluctant to 
 use it on Ember because it stays around so long. It ended up happening anyway 
 (I was out of state, and my dad was panicking about a URI Ember was dealing 
 with). Fortunately, she had no problems tolerating it.
 
 There's a lot of info online about Convenia. Some people avoid it, but I 
 would use it on Ember again, knowing that she did well on it.
 
 Lance
 
 On Jun 26, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
  
   Two drawbacks for Convenia. If the cat reacts badly, there's no way to 
  discontinue the drug, it's in the system for two weeks (more or less). Two, 
  it is generally prescribed for skin infections, and sometimes FLUTD. 
  Doesn't seem to be considered effective for secondary bacterial infections 
  often concurrent with a URI. In most common URIs , only an anti-viral will 
  actually affect the primary disease. Clavamox, clindamycin, baytril, and 
  sometimes doxycycline can help with the possible bacterial component(s).
   
I used Naxcel and Zenequin for Gribble when he 
  was so ill, but I don't really know if it helped, or he got better in spite 
  of my efforts. Famciclovir seemed very helpful with both my boys recently, 
  but there's no literature on using it with an FeLV positive cat, and it's 
  basically only effective against herpes.
   
  HTH
   
  Margo
   

  -Original Message- 
  From: ance 
  Sent: Jun 26, 2013 11:45 AM 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts 
  
  I'm glad that Polli has your boyfriend. I really feel that love (which is, 
  in a way, the flipside of stress) helps fight the disease and gives cats a 
  reason to fight and live. I wonder if Convenia would help the URI (it's 
  just another abx). I've only used it once, so I can't vouch for it too 
  much, but it seemed ot help. Maybe another vet would be more willing to try 
  something different. 
   
  You and Polli are in my thoughts and prayers.
   
  Lance
   
   
  On Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 01:02 AM, Amanda K. Payne wrote:
  Thank you everyone!!  As you can imagine, I'm a wreck over it.  I'm also 
  housesitting at the moment and can't be with her at night.  Though she's 
  with my boyfriend who loves her dearly, I feel awful that I'm not there to 
  comfort her. Over the last ten years, I've had my cats die from FeLV, FIP 
  and now Polli is also deathly ill with FeLV.  None of the cats ever met 
  one another but it seems I'm a sucker for sick kitties. The cats I rescue 
  and I just can't seem to catch a break.  
   
   
  Lance, I haven't had the vet give her a transfusion.  The vet we went to 
  (whom I don't care for) diagnosed her with non regenerative anemia back in 
  March.  FeLV is wreaking havoc on her bone marrow and it's just not 
  producing enough red and white blood cells.  A transfusion would maybe 
  give her a few more weeks, if that. 
   
  Margo, I'm not sure if there is anything I can do.  She was doing okay 
  before I brought home a nasty URI (I volunteer with several rescues and 
  must have somehow exposed her to it).  She of course caught it.  I gave 
  her Clavamox for two days before she just crashed. The Clavamox caused her 
  to poo herself for hours on end and she deteriorated after that.  I took 
  her off Clavamox and decided to look for a better vet.  My vet doesn't 
  seem interested in helping what she thinks is a lost cause.
   
  Watching her get sick just makes me start to doubt all my decisions.  
  Could I have done something better? Did I bring something home from the 
  shelters I volunteer at that may eventually kill her?  I know it is what 
  it is but like many of you, I just can't help from wondering if I could 
  have done something differently that would prolong her time.
   
  I'll keep you all updated and thank you again for the support.
   
  Best,
  -Amanda
   
   
  On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Margo 

Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] congenital peritoneopericardial diaphragmatic hernia

[dlgegg]

Are you close to a veterinary school?  They might be better able to come up 
with an answer.  I have gone to Missouri University, a 3 hour drive, but worth 
it if you can get answers.

 Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: 
 We think it is congenital. I don't know of anything she's gone through
 since I had her that would cause trauma resulting in a hernia. I've seen
 her take some big leaps and fly across the room to land awkwardly on
 something, but I don't think those had that kind of impact. 
 
 I'm going to talk to her primary vet soon. I've now spoken to several
 vets, and they are all advising caution. I just don't want her symptoms
 to get worse (ie her to feel worse or to be threatened). We're going
 into an awkward few weeks with a holiday and some issues I'll have with
 getting her to surgery. We'll either need to do surgery in the next week
 or two, or she'll have to wait a few weeks. 
 
 On Tue, Jun 25, 2013, at 04:30 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
  HOW is Ember doing?
  Is this a congenital thing?
  
   Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: 
   My 11 year old FeLV+, Ember, was diagnosed with a congenital 
   peritoneopericardial diaphragmatic hernia after CT scans and a consult 
   between a surgeon and a radiologist. 
   
   So far, her symptoms haven't been too scary: rapid breathing (but not 
   open mouth breathing or panting) and an odd posture she sometimes assumes 
   where she will stand with her forelegs and lie down with her back legs. 
   This tells me that she might be having some discomfort (one lobe of her 
   liver is involved in the hernia). She settles into lying down without 
   problem, and she rests normally. 
   
   The symptoms have only begun in the last few months, as far as I know 
   (Ember and I weren't in the same part of the world for almost a year). 
   We'd been fearing cancer, so this would seem to be good news.
   
   The surgeon is gung-ho to take care of business, and he has an excellent 
   reputation with a lot of experience and education. However, I just spoke 
   to one of Ember's two vets about this, and he said, If she were my cat, 
   I don't think I would do it. He's concerned about moving the liver, and 
   more importantly, about the surgeon having enough to work with when the 
   hernia is likely congenital.
   
   Has anyone on the list had experience with congenital hernias in cats? 
   I'd really like to get some more input before I make a decision.
   
   Thanks,
   
   Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts

[dlgegg]

I agree with that, love is one of the most important things you can give them.


 Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: 
 I'm glad that Polli has your boyfriend. I really feel that love (which
 is, in a way, the flipside of stress) helps fight the disease and gives
 cats a reason to fight and live. I wonder if Convenia would help the
 URI (it's just another abx). I've only used it once, so I can't vouch
 for it too much, but it seemed ot help. Maybe another vet would be more
 willing to try something different.
 
 
 
 You and Polli are in my thoughts and prayers.
 
 
 
 Lance
 
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 01:02 AM, Amanda K. Payne wrote:
 
 Thank you everyone!!  As you can imagine, I'm a wreck over it.  I'm
 also housesitting at the moment and can't be with her at night.  Though
 she's with my boyfriend who loves her dearly, I feel awful that I'm not
 there to comfort her. Over the last ten years, I've had my cats die
 from FeLV, FIP and now Polli is also deathly ill with FeLV.  None of
 the cats ever met one another but it seems I'm a sucker for sick
 kitties. The cats I rescue and I just can't seem to catch a break.
 
 
 Lance, I haven't had the vet give her a transfusion.  The vet we went
 to (whom I don't care for) diagnosed her with non regenerative anemia
 back in March.  FeLV is wreaking havoc on her bone marrow and it's just
 not producing enough red and white blood cells.  A transfusion would
 maybe give her a few more weeks, if that.
 
 Margo, I'm not sure if there is anything I can do.  She was doing okay
 before I brought home a nasty URI (I volunteer with several rescues and
 must have somehow exposed her to it).  She of course caught it.  I gave
 her Clavamox for two days before she just crashed. The Clavamox caused
 her to poo herself for hours on end and she deteriorated after that.  I
 took her off Clavamox and decided to look for a better vet.  My vet
 doesn't seem interested in helping what she thinks is a lost cause.
 
 Watching her get sick just makes me start to doubt all my decisions.
 Could I have done something better? Did I bring something home from the
 shelters I volunteer at that may eventually kill her?  I know it is
 what it is but like many of you, I just can't help from wondering if I
 could have done something differently that would prolong her time.
 
 I'll keep you all updated and thank you again for the support.
 
 Best,
 -Amanda
 
 
 
 On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Margo
 [1]toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 
   We're here, Amanda.
 
Please know that Polli is getting LOTS of positive
   energy and hope sent her way.  Are you able to do anything for her,
   at this point?
 
I know everyone wishes her (and you) the very best,
 
   Margo
 
   -Original Message-
 
 From: Amanda K. Payne
 
 Sent: Jun 25, 2013 2:09 PM
 
 To: [2]Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts
 
 
 
 Hi everyone!
 
 Please send some good energy to my Polli.  She's have a rough few days
 and I'm not sure she'll come out of this.  She was diagnosed with
 severe anemia back at the beginning of March. She rebounded but not
 completely.  Recently, her breathing has become a bit more labored. We
 also noticed she's pulling out her own fur andsome strange lumps on her
 stomach.  I'm really worried that the end is near for her and feel so
 guilty that I couldn't do more. Please keep us in your thoughts.  It's
 going to be a tough few days.
 
 Best,
 -Amanda
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin

[dlgegg]

My mother was a nurse and a detail man once told her that human and animal meds 
are the same, they just put different labels on them.  Vet meds are cheaper 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Homemade food for FeLV cats

[dlgegg]

I like the idea of home made food, but how do I get the right proportions of 
enzymes, vitamins, etc for cats?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle

[dlgegg]

I have a Lysine in a bottle that measures out the right dosage.  Kind of looks 
like hairball stuff and my cats fight me when I try to give it to them.  I 
think it might just be that I am making them take it, therefore they decide to 
NOT like it.


 Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 L-Lysine is good, also. I cc twice per day. I usually only use it when they 
 get sick, like my cat with the URI, but some people use it every day. It 
 doesn't taste bad. It also comes in a powder you can sprinkle on their food.


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 From: kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 11:07 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle
 


Hi All,

So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most 
important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering what 
exactly do  I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their weight, 
thermometer, antibiotics  (in case i see any scratches) to prevent infections. 
I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked with the vet 
and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. Please, members with 
felv experience, let me know what else could be helpful.

Thanks,
Kasia
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