Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite
Same thing different label. Although one would think they could at LEAST eliminate the bubblegum flavor in the liquid before subjecting cats to it G. Margo -Original Message- From: Gloria gbl...@aristotle.net Sent: Dec 15, 2013 1:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite Right lol - I'd forgotten that Clavamox is the same stuff (or similar?) to Augmentin, just that it's the veterinary form. -Original Message- From: Margo Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite I'll weigh in with soap and water, betadine flush, topical antibiotic and Augmentin (tho it's usually the Clavamox form I have around) or Cephalexin. Margo -Original Message- From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Sent: Dec 14, 2013 11:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite Just had to add my 2 cents. Lance, I always prefer Augmentin, and it's always worked well for me. I usually clean the bite with cold water and hydrogen peroxide, and if I see the red lines creeping up my hand and arm, I head for the doctor (started to say vet) and get some Augmentin. One tried to give me something else, I forget what, but it irritated my sensitive tummy and I went back for Augmentin. Fortunately haven't had a bite in a long time :) Glad yours is doing well. Gloria On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote: Listen, I had one cat, the late great Little Boy, who bit me twice over the years and each time I had to spend the night in the hospital for iv antibiotics. Thing is some cats have this bacteria in their mouth (Pasteurella multocida) and he was one of them. If that bacteria gets into your bloodstream, it can quickly lead to sepsis. He was the only cat I had who had that bugger and he was sweet as pie but a bite was a bad thing. Look for a red line going u your arm...if you start seeing it--go to eroom as you want to stop infection from hitting lymph nodes and causing sepsis. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 7:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite Hi everyone, During play, one of our cats bit me earlier today. I tried to get to an urgent care clinic, but they decided to stop seeing people at 4:30 pm. despite listing hours as 9-5. Real nice. ;-) Anyway, I'm wondering how worried I should be. A lovely pic of the bite can be seen here: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s201/sh/fc76bb30-31ff-40ed-80b1-4f499d5461e4/ 4adec821f3519913f482848c4c5f730b It seems much more superficial and scratchy rather than being a deep puncture wound, and FYI, you're looking at my right arm about two inches above my elbow. We have doxycycline in the house, but the last time I was bitten, I took augmentin. Would prefer to do that, but I'm out of luck for the night, unless I feel like a high-costing trip to the ER (I'm currently inusrance-less, as luck would have it). Has anyone used doxy for cat bites? What symptoms around the bite should I be looking for that indicate its seriousness? I can get in to the urgent clinic tomorrow morning at 9, and the bite happened this afternoon at 3:45. Hopefully that gives me a little time. I know that none of you are MDs (well, I don't know that for sure), but would appreciate input. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TESTING
Lee, all you have written is SO true. Testing is never definitive and being positive or negative for FelV is very iffy. How are Sampson and Deliliah after the exposure to Callie? Lorrie On 12-15, Lee Evans wrote: With Callie's weird stools, I don't feel it would be lymphoma. More likely, if it happens on a schedule, as you said every few weeks, it's environmental. Does your mom have the house cleaned with something that Callie could inhale or ingest? Does she buy different cat foods for the cats? Maybe run out of one cat food, buy another every few weeks? Check out things like that. Well, I'm not a big fan of testing any more. My poor Bunny was tested when she was brought to me and was positive for FeLv. I kept her more than the required time, retested and she was negative. We all cheered. She lived with me a little under a year from then. She came as an 8 month old teen, was spayed and given the rabies vaccine. Stayed healthy after her retest until October of this year. Then she just faded. She stopped playing, stopped being a silly nuisance to Delilah and Samson and finally stopped eating. I took her to the vet because I noticed her gums looked pale. Not flea anemia. He retested her and she was positive for FeLv. He explained that maybe the first test was a false negative or maybe the virus was lurking in the bone marrow as well as the regular place in the blood. He gave her a vitamin shot, gave her anti-biotic shot and she seemed to rally for a couple of days, ate a bit, then on Oct. 31 she just lay down in the bed I made for her on the floor and passed away. So, tests are just that - tests but they are not crystal balls and can't predict what will happen to a cat in the future when it comes to FeLv. Bunny would have been two years old in April, 2014. On the other hand, Moses, who overcame the positive FeLv diagnosis and turned negative, is still with me after 7 years. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
I use vet, bird, aquarium antibiotics frequently. They are exactly the same as human drugs and you save a bundle of money! Lorrie On 12-15, Jill Eisenbraun wrote: I recently had an abscessed tooth and treated it with aquarium antibiotics, the triple sulfa powder you can buy in any aquarium shop. Worked like a charm and only cost me $13! Jill and kitties ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] on another note...
I can understand your mom's reluctance to have Callie retested, but I'd rather know one way or the other. However, I have had extensive experience with FelV pos. cats and I have never seen diarrhea as a symptom of the virus. Lorrie On 12-15, Lance wrote: The bite seems to be about the same as it was yesterday, though maybe a little less red where the actual teeth penetration occurred. Fortunately, no pink lines are other odd marks have showed up near the wound. I didn?t go to the clinic, since things look like they?re doing well. My health has been a little funky for the last six months, but I feel like my immune system is in reasonably good shape. Anyway, some of you may remember that my FeLV+ (Ember) probably bit an FeLV- (Callie) who hasn?t been vaccinated since her kitten days seven years ago. Callie, who was almost definitely FeLV- before this encounter, tested negative at 37 days post-exposure, but she wasn?t retested at the usual 90 day mark. She?s my mom?s cat, and my mom is reluctant to test. I think she just doesn?t want to know. While I understand that, the anxiety from not knowing occasionally really gets to me, and there are things we could do for Callie to prolong her life, despite what my parents seem to think. Callie has had bouts of diarrhea since the encounter. I don?t know if she had anything like this before it, as I didn?t really pay close attention to that aspect of her life. She had frequent runny poops in June and July (around the time of the negative FeLV test), then the frequency went down, **as far as I know and have been told**. Since around August, the runny poops hit daily for one to three days every three to four weeks. Again, this is from what I can gather. Earlier today, Callie had a normal poop, but in the same bowel movement, there was some watery stool on top of the normal stuff. If she?s positive, what could this be, other than lymphoma? If she ISN?T positive, then what might this be? Very odd that it happens every few weeks. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Said goodbye to Terence (and also got a bite!)
We said good bye to one of our 8 month old FeLV kittens, Terence, yesterday. He had been declining for a couple of weeks and was very thin, and definitely not as active has his 3 siblings still are. We tried making him eat wet food but it just wasn't working and the last day or two we didn't hear any purring. So we felt it was time for him to be in a better place. As the vet was giving him the first injection to anesthetize him he squirmed around and bit me on the first knuckle and cuticle area of my finger. I've been scratched millions of times by cats and know how to clean scratches, but had never actually been bitten. I had been following this thread all weekend so I let it bleed out, then cleaned it up after we got home with him. Overnight my finger swelled up and looks infected, and I have a strange pain in my armpit (same arm) that I'm wondering if it's related. I took a couple of Cephalexin doses but I'm going to the doc this morning since it's still pretty painful and swollen. We've had Terence and his siblings since they were 2 weeks old back in April. Yesterday was a bittersweet day but I'm relieved knowing he's no longer languishing. I'm also grateful for this listserv. Katherine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Said goodbye to Terence (and also got a bite!)
It is hard to let them go, but now he is in a better place and knows no pain. We are the only ones suffering. I am sure that God will send you another soul to look after, He always does for me. You won't forget Terence, but a new one gives you someone else to love and eases the pain. Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote: We said good bye to one of our 8 month old FeLV kittens, Terence, yesterday. He had been declining for a couple of weeks and was very thin, and definitely not as active has his 3 siblings still are. We tried making him eat wet food but it just wasn't working and the last day or two we didn't hear any purring. So we felt it was time for him to be in a better place. As the vet was giving him the first injection to anesthetize him he squirmed around and bit me on the first knuckle and cuticle area of my finger. I've been scratched millions of times by cats and know how to clean scratches, but had never actually been bitten. I had been following this thread all weekend so I let it bleed out, then cleaned it up after we got home with him. Overnight my finger swelled up and looks infected, and I have a strange pain in my armpit (same arm) that I'm wondering if it's related. I took a couple of Cephalexin doses but I'm going to the doc this morning since it's still pretty painful and swollen. We've had Terence and his siblings since they were 2 weeks old back in April. Yesterday was a bittersweet day but I'm relieved knowing he's no longer languishing. I'm also grateful for this listserv. Katherine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
Well, this is the real American Dream, to be able to treat yourself like a fish if you haven't any money while those who have money are keeping most of us from being treated like humans due to overpricing of medications and very little affordable health insurance. AndI'm off my soap box and back to my litter boxes. On Monday, December 16, 2013 6:26 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I use vet, bird, aquarium antibiotics frequently. They are exactly the same as human drugs and you save a bundle of money! Lorrie On 12-15, Jill Eisenbraun wrote: I recently had an abscessed tooth and treated it with aquarium antibiotics, the triple sulfa powder you can buy in any aquarium shop. Worked like a charm and only cost me $13! Jill and kitties ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Said goodbye to Terence (and also got a bite!)
so very sorry about baby terrence. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Katherine K. wrote: We said good bye to one of our 8 month old FeLV kittens, Terence, yesterday. He had been declining for a couple of weeks and was very thin, and definitely not as active has his 3 siblings still are. We tried making him eat wet food but it just wasn't working and the last day or two we didn't hear any purring. So we felt it was time for him to be in a better place. As the vet was giving him the first injection to anesthetize him he squirmed around and bit me on the first knuckle and cuticle area of my finger. I've been scratched millions of times by cats and know how to clean scratches, but had never actually been bitten. I had been following this thread all weekend so I let it bleed out, then cleaned it up after we got home with him. Overnight my finger swelled up and looks infected, and I have a strange pain in my armpit (same arm) that I'm wondering if it's related. I took a couple of Cephalexin doses but I'm going to the doc this morning since it's still pretty painful and swollen. We've had Terence and his siblings since they were 2 weeks old back in April. Yesterday was a bittersweet day but I'm relieved knowing he's no longer languishing. I'm also grateful for this listserv. Katherine -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
I use them too...you can type the number, color and type of pill it is ( round, oblong tablet or capsule. You will find that they are all generic human antibiotics. I have used them on my cats and dogs for years. And myself. But they must be used with respect.(-: Sent from my iPad On Dec 16, 2013, at 6:20 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I use vet, bird, aquarium antibiotics frequently. They are exactly the same as human drugs and you save a bundle of money! Lorrie On 12-15, Jill Eisenbraun wrote: I recently had an abscessed tooth and treated it with aquarium antibiotics, the triple sulfa powder you can buy in any aquarium shop. Worked like a charm and only cost me $13! Jill and kitties ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
Honestly the one thing that I use for infections most is Oregano Oil. Take it by mouth and use it on the wound. My son in law had MRSA on his arm. They cut it out and sent him home. My daughter started using oregano oil in his wound. And also upped his protein intake. At the next appt with the infectious disease specialist, the Dr said she had never seen anyone heal so fast! She asked if her team could come in and take a look at how well the oregano oil worked on the wound. It also kills ringworm extremely fast on humans. Another is Vetericyn. It's fantastic(-: Happy Holiday everyone(: Marcia Sent from my iPad On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:29 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, this is the real American Dream, to be able to treat yourself like a fish if you haven't any money while those who have money are keeping most of us from being treated like humans due to overpricing of medications and very little affordable health insurance. AndI'm off my soap box and back to my litter boxes. On Monday, December 16, 2013 6:26 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I use vet, bird, aquarium antibiotics frequently. They are exactly the same as human drugs and you save a bundle of money! Lorrie On 12-15, Jill Eisenbraun wrote: I recently had an abscessed tooth and treated it with aquarium antibiotics, the triple sulfa powder you can buy in any aquarium shop. Worked like a charm and only cost me $13! Jill and kitties ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Said goodbye to Terence (and also got a bite!)
I'm so sorry for your loss. We have all been there and it's heartbreaking to have to go through this! God bless you, Sent from my iPhone. On Dec 16, 2013, at 20:13, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote: so very sorry about baby terrence. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Katherine K. wrote: We said good bye to one of our 8 month old FeLV kittens, Terence, yesterday. He had been declining for a couple of weeks and was very thin, and definitely not as active has his 3 siblings still are. We tried making him eat wet food but it just wasn't working and the last day or two we didn't hear any purring. So we felt it was time for him to be in a better place. As the vet was giving him the first injection to anesthetize him he squirmed around and bit me on the first knuckle and cuticle area of my finger. I've been scratched millions of times by cats and know how to clean scratches, but had never actually been bitten. I had been following this thread all weekend so I let it bleed out, then cleaned it up after we got home with him. Overnight my finger swelled up and looks infected, and I have a strange pain in my armpit (same arm) that I'm wondering if it's related. I took a couple of Cephalexin doses but I'm going to the doc this morning since it's still pretty painful and swollen. We've had Terence and his siblings since they were 2 weeks old back in April. Yesterday was a bittersweet day but I'm relieved knowing he's no longer languishing. I'm also grateful for this listserv. Katherine -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
I am leary of drs. who want to see/know about herbs, etc. as they might report you for practicing medicine without a license. Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly the one thing that I use for infections most is Oregano Oil. Take it by mouth and use it on the wound. My son in law had MRSA on his arm. They cut it out and sent him home. My daughter started using oregano oil in his wound. And also upped his protein intake. At the next appt with the infectious disease specialist, the Dr said she had never seen anyone heal so fast! She asked if her team could come in and take a look at how well the oregano oil worked on the wound. It also kills ringworm extremely fast on humans. Another is Vetericyn. It's fantastic(-: Happy Holiday everyone(: Marcia Sent from my iPad On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:29 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, this is the real American Dream, to be able to treat yourself like a fish if you haven't any money while those who have money are keeping most of us from being treated like humans due to overpricing of medications and very little affordable health insurance. AndI'm off my soap box and back to my litter boxes. On Monday, December 16, 2013 6:26 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I use vet, bird, aquarium antibiotics frequently. They are exactly the same as human drugs and you save a bundle of money! Lorrie On 12-15, Jill Eisenbraun wrote: I recently had an abscessed tooth and treated it with aquarium antibiotics, the triple sulfa powder you can buy in any aquarium shop. Worked like a charm and only cost me $13! Jill and kitties ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
What site do you go to for them? Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I use them too...you can type the number, color and type of pill it is ( round, oblong tablet or capsule. You will find that they are all generic human antibiotics. I have used them on my cats and dogs for years. And myself. But they must be used with respect.(-: Sent from my iPad On Dec 16, 2013, at 6:20 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I use vet, bird, aquarium antibiotics frequently. They are exactly the same as human drugs and you save a bundle of money! Lorrie On 12-15, Jill Eisenbraun wrote: I recently had an abscessed tooth and treated it with aquarium antibiotics, the triple sulfa powder you can buy in any aquarium shop. Worked like a charm and only cost me $13! Jill and kitties ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
I get on that soapbox a lot. I use alternative meds and acupuncture more than modern medicine Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, this is the real American Dream, to be able to treat yourself like a fish if you haven't any money while those who have money are keeping most of us from being treated like humans due to overpricing of medications and very little affordable health insurance. AndI'm off my soap box and back to my litter boxes. On Monday, December 16, 2013 6:26 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I use vet, bird, aquarium antibiotics frequently. They are exactly the same as human drugs and you save a bundle of money! Lorrie On 12-15, Jill Eisenbraun wrote: I recently had an abscessed tooth and treated it with aquarium antibiotics, the triple sulfa powder you can buy in any aquarium shop. Worked like a charm and only cost me $13! Jill and kitties ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org