Re: OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat Hunting in WI.)

2005-03-14 Thread Karolyn Lount
Hi, I am 79 and a couple of mos. ago I took in a couple of 9mo. old FeLV+ cats. I feel they may outlive me. I now have 7 and have made arrangements that when I pass on that my cats will be taked care of for the rest of their lives.

RE: large sheets for bedspreads

2005-03-14 Thread tamara stickler
Del, Go to the fabric store and pick up a nice, patterned or solid color pc. of low pyle fleece to throw over the bedspread/comforter. Its a bit heavier than the sheet and initiates instand nap-attackes, so they never quite get a chance to make a real mess of it. (Fleece is perfectb/c its

Re: large sheets for bedspreads - fleece

2005-03-14 Thread Del Daniels
I buy remnants of fleece and have them in many baskets around the house for kitties to sleep on ... unfortunately my Noah loves the fleece and drags it around in his mouth and it is his "woman" so to speak ... He was neutered early but has never lost the urge, for ten years he has done

Re: large sheets for bedspreads - fleece

2005-03-14 Thread tamara stickler
hehehehehehheheDel Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I buy remnants of fleece and have them in many baskets around the house for kitties to sleep on ... unfortunately my Noah loves the fleece and drags it around in his mouth and it is his "woman" so to speak ... He was neutered early but has

Re: Feline Interferon

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
Hi Kyle, How did you do with giving Brissle her shots? I'm sorry if I sounded harsh about your vet. I didn't mean to imply that he's not a good vet, or that you should drop him all together, I just know how frustrating it can be trying to get the best care possible, (especially since no one

Re: Feline Interferon / vets

2005-03-14 Thread Gloria B. Lane
I think there are none of them (the vets) perfect, just some are way more imperfect then others... Gloria At 11:13 AM 3/14/2005, you wrote: Hi Kyle, How did you do with giving Brissle her shots? I'm sorry if I sounded harsh about your vet. I didn't mean to imply that he's not a good vet, or

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Title: Message I agree with Nina. I think it'sconflicting and difficult enough to make a decision to euthanize when an animal is terminally ill and suffering---one is torn between desperately not wanting the animal in our care to suffer any more, and making this momentous and irreversible

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread tamara stickler
Ok, I'm going to play devil's advocate: I have been active in the animal rescue field for most of my life. I have walked into alleyways in crack neighborhoods, by myself, to feed ferals and do rescues. I have spent more money than any "sane" person should on strays, and even have driven across

Update at Nina's house - stretched the VO for Jazz

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
Thank you to all those who inquired about Zevon's condition, here's a brief update on what's going on at my house: Zevon: Zevon continues to insist that whatever his physical disabilities are, he will bully his body into submission! He has improved slightly, but still has some paralysis in

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
I understand where caring, thoughtful people are coming from when they advocate euthanasia. No-kill shelters are not always the havens we would hope them to be. I don't agree with keeping an unadoptable animal in a cage with little to no human or animal contact, (not to mention another more

RE: Update at Nina's house - stretched the VO for Jazz

2005-03-14 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Thanks for the update Nina. Great news about Grace, and I'm sending hopes that Zevon and Jazz continue to show improvement (however slowly). I really feel for you re Gypsy. I'm praying hard that with all the love and attention you're giving her, not to mention the special diet and all the hard

Re: Update at Nina's house - stretched the VO for Jazz

2005-03-14 Thread Cherie A Gabbert
Good Luck Nina...sending healing vibes to all ;-)) CherieNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you to all those who inquired about Zevon's condition, here's a brief update on what's going on at my house:Zevon: Zevon continues to insist that whatever his physical disabilities are, he will bully his

Re: Update at Nina's house - stretched the VO for Jazz

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
Thank you Kerry. Most of the time Gypsy seems to be happy and content. I hope (if it comes to that), I'll know when it's time to help her cross. As long as she continues to enjoy life, I'll fight with all my strength and resources to help her get better. On the days when my strength and

Re: Update at Nina's house - stretched the VO for Jazz

2005-03-14 Thread Cherie A Gabbert
Thanks for asking, yes Sugar is growing she is now 2.7lbs and Sprinkles seems to have gotten over her supposed "rignworm" incident...if you ask me I think she got hurt and the gal I got her from decided telling me she had ringworm might be better, the gal said her son has "accidently" killed two

Re: Update at Nina's house - stretched the VO for Jazz

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
Thank you darlin', How's the growing menagerie at your house doing? Have the newbies settled in? Nina Cherie A Gabbert wrote: Good Luck Nina...sending healing vibes to all ;-)) Cherie */Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Thank you to all those who inquired about Zevon's condition, here's a

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Title: Message Thanks Tamara. You've seen and experienced and risked far, far more than I ever have and I'm humbled (as I often am, reading the emails from the wonderful brave members of this group). That's why I wonder if you would mind spelling it out a bit more There have been animals

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread tamara stickler
Cherie, You are ABSOLUTELY right...I believe as you do that animals are as precious as children, but unfortunately in this society...there exists the "destory if they are inconvienant" rule for bothFor humans, -children: (in the forms of abortion and the juvenial death penalty), the later of

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
I have to definitely agree with Nina. We, humans are the most powerful creature on earth, and can be the most egotistical and arrogant one, too by abusing the power we have over smaller (physically) creatures. In my mind, our lives are not any more important than any other creatures on

Ginger - going off food again

2005-03-14 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Ginger sort of stopped eating and have been force feeding her for the past couple of days I need your prayer and healing vibes again, you guys. Also, I got back Gingers blood work all her organs seem to be fine, but her HCT was 26 (and it was 28 back in October) I was sad that it did

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Title: Message I said it before and I'll say it again, Hideyo: you're an angel. you really are. You're those kitties' guardian angel. Sending positive vibes that you find Squeekie, and you find her soon~~Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

RE: Ginger - going off food again

2005-03-14 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Title: Message Sending positive, healing vibes for Ginger. Hideyo. I hope she begins to eat again soon. May be worth you checking she doesn't have ulcers. That's what Levi had (as well as anemia)when he stopped eating. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread tamara stickler
Nina, You've hit the nail on the head! (It's a tough call, but it's an individual call. The advocation of wholesale slaughter is in no way humane or respectful treatment of another species.)...There is no generalized answer...each case must be dealt with on an individual basis. Thanks for

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread tamara stickler
God bless ya Hideyo...I'll keep you both in my prayers! (Tip: Squeekie might be extremely cautious of closed in spaces and be very hard to trap now. Try, if you can, a small dog crate...pref. black bars...put grass or leaves or debris of some such in the bottom so it smells the same as the area on

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Tamara, I also do understand what you are saying there are just not enough of us who care about ferals everywhere I go, I see problems, and I am stretched out so thin physically, and financially. I rescued all the cats I encountered for the past few years and I have now over 50, but I

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Thanks for the tip, Tamara. Actually, I was thinking of a dog trap that I have, as you said (and you are right), she is more cautious now Right now, there is a normal cat trap with the food but not set (left open with the bungee code) so that she can get used to eat in there but there

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread catatonya
Thank you Tamara, I know everyone won't agree on this. I've worked with ferals, and I've done spay releases, and I've seen situations that were so bad nothing else could be done I fed a PACK of nearly 20feral dogs for 2 years, trying to make some progress. These dogs were so wild they would

RE: Ginger - going off food again

2005-03-14 Thread tamara stickler
Call the vet. Its a perscription antihistamine and the side effect is increase of appetite. I don't know if it can be used with FeLv+ kitties, but its worth a shot. The vet will prob. perscribe 1/2 pill 2xs a day..but...it can make some cats restless and increase their incidence of howling in the

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Cherie A Gabbert
I am not going to get too involved in this discussion, but my two cents are, I have to agree with Nina and Kerry. Some places CAN be worse than death for animals or children, do you see us killing children The two groups we (as adults) need to stand up for and care for are children and

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Lernermichelle
Drawing the line and deciding not to get involved is one thing. Drawing the line and deciding to kill them all is quite another. In my paid work, I am a lawyer who represents desperately poor women and children in things like denials of access to emergency shelter, food stamps, and

Re: OT: killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
I just want to say that I'm sorry I included Tonya's name in this thread. I know that Tonya is a loving caring fur mom, this just happens to be one of those subjects that gets my fur up. I don't have the answers either, I wish I did. I just know that I love my ferals as much as the cats living

Re: Ginger - going off food again

2005-03-14 Thread Lernermichelle
Hideyo, I think you should try Immuno-regulin for her. Your vet should be able to get it. also, can you start the process to get VO? If you start the process to get it yourself, I can send you one of my remaining two boxes of it (good for one 5 day dose, or more if she weighs under 11

Re: Ginger - going off food again

2005-03-14 Thread Lernermichelle
You look inside their mouth. I think Kerry was referring to ulcers inside the mouth, not the stomach. Michelle In a message dated 3/14/05 4:13:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do they have to do ultrasound to check ulcers?? Or do you feel it from outside?

Re: Ginger - going off food again

2005-03-14 Thread Lernermichelle
Ciproheptidine is an antihistimine with a side effect of making cats and dogs hungry, so vets prescribe it as an appetite stimulant. You need to get it from a vet. Michelle In a message dated 3/14/05 4:13:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, I haven't - what is cypro? Do I get it at a

RE: OT: killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Thank you, Nina. I know I can be too paranoid, too. There this stray boy kitty that I feed in the area, got really nasty abuses all infected and flies were all over the scar - so me and my neighbor (a different neighbor) caught in using a fish net - and put him in the cage so that we can care for

RE: Ginger - going off food again

2005-03-14 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Oh yeah, I wanted to apply for the process - how do I do that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ginger - going off food again Hideyo,

RE: OT: killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Cherie A Gabbert
My gosh Hideyo, you are a savior, your neighborhood is so lucky to have you. CherieHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Nina. I know I can be too paranoid, too.There this stray boy kitty that I feed in the area, got really nastyabuses all infected and flies were all over the scar -

Re: Ginger - going off food again

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
Michelle, You can also put in another application for VO yourself. I've gotten two okays for Grace and one for Jazz. I have one sitting at my vet's office waiting until I have enough money to order it. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hideyo, I think you should try Immuno-regulin for her. Your

CLS - Monday March 14th, 2005

2005-03-14 Thread Belinda Sauro
Hi All, Here is the service for Monday March 14th. My deepest sympathies to those who have lost a furkid. Prayers, and healing, positive thoughts for those with sick fukids. I am having major problems still with my email so please let me know if I have forgotten any one. FeLV Candle Light

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
Hideyo, I, for one, don't think it's silly at all that you feel you can read their thoughts! But that's another topic! I have learned some cat body language dealing with my colony. Next time you make eye contact with her, double blink at her slowly a couple of times, she will probably return

Re: Ginger - going off food again

2005-03-14 Thread Lernermichelle
I sent a reply the last time you asked with the info that your vet needs to send to the FDA. It was the second time I reposted it from the archives. It was about a week ago. Please look for it there, because otherwise I have to get on our other computer and look from it in my files and cut

RE: Ginger - going off food again

2005-03-14 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Sorry, I found it - I must have overlooked it - thank you, Michelle! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ginger - going off food again I sent

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
Tonya, What you went through with those dogs is heart wrenching! How awful for you and the dogs. I should have known there was a story like that behind your comments. My opinion is sometimes trapping and euthanizing is the best we can do for them. And these are domestic animals, whether

Re: Update at Nina's house - stretched the VO for Jazz

2005-03-14 Thread Melbeach
Nina, Sending you prayers for your kids. That's good news about Grace and Zevon. Hopefully Jazz and Gypsy will come around. Keep your head up! Thanks for all your help! -Kyle - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 14,

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread catatonya
I just think we're talking about different situations. My Mamma Kitty I brought home from North Carolina last winter was living with a feral colony. The colony lives in the woods behind my sister's neighborhood. She feeds them, and we try to trap and spay what we can. In the meantime we stay

Re: Update at Nina's house - stretched the VO for Jazz

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
Hi Kyle, Thanks for the prayers! I called Michelle Rose at my vet's (Veterinary Medical and Surgical Group). I wasn't able to talk to Michelle personally, but I did leave her a message. Hopefully she'll be getting back to me some time today, I let you know what she says. Nina Melbeach wrote:

Non-Wisconsin residents can vote on cat hunting....

2005-03-14 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH
...you have to be at the spring hearings in order to vote on this advisory issues. Anyone can sent in comments (please see below). I would suggest saying you will definitely not visit or vacation in Wisconsin and neither will your friends if this issue passes. Tourism is a major part of the

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
Tonya, Absolutely, there are some circumstances where our hands are tied. I misunderstood your post apparently. PETA and other so-called humane organizations promote the killing of feral colonies even when there is a caregiver in place that takes the responsibility for TNR and feeding. I

Re: Non-Wisconsin residents can vote on cat hunting....

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
Bonnie, I'm sorry that we can't all vote on this issue, thanks for sending the link for us to put in our two cents worth though! Nina BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote: ...you have to be at the spring hearings in order to vote on this advisory issues. Anyone can sent in comments (please see below). I

FDA dispensation help

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
Kyle and anyone else who is interested in starting the process of obtaining Feline Interferon, (Virbagen Omega)... I just spoke to Michelle Rose at VMSG to make sure she was in contact with your vet. She said that she did get a message from him, but she actually took a day off, and when she

OT: another Wisconsin issue

2005-03-14 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH
Going over the DNR's advisory questions, there is another one which would lower the age requirement from 12 to ten years old(!) for some hunting licenses. This would surely include small game licenses, for which kids would be eligible and if cats are classified as small game, we could have

Re: [kittycityrescue] 2 Feline Leuk + cats - looking for long term foster

2005-03-14 Thread catatonya
Rebecca, I am forwarding this to a leukemia group where you can get more information. tonya"Rebecca Morris (FLG)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *PERMISSION TO CROSSPOST WHERE APPROPRIATE* I took in two cats a week ago Saturday. This lady’s mom could no longer care for the cats, and the lady

Re: [kittycityrescue] 2 Feline Leuk + cats - looking for long term foster

2005-03-14 Thread Tad Burnett
I think there has been discusion of this...but isn't it posible for the FeLV vaccine which these kitties had, to cause a false pos for some short period of time...Can this be the case here ??? Tad catatonya wrote: Rebecca, I am forwarding this to a leukemia group where you can get

Re: raising kittens???

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
Kristi, How are the kittens doing? Has their diarrhea cleared up? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for that info, I think today we start the litter boxes and some strained turkey or chicken. They are eating up to 30cc a meal...and sleeping through the night- Thank God. Anyway they have

Re: Re: raising kittens???

2005-03-14 Thread ferozar01
The kittens are doing great diarrhea, is all cleared up as soon as I changed them to the powdered KMR. They are all using the litter box on their own now too. Now I'm trying to get them to eat out of a dish- very trying on the patience they're about 31/2 4 weeks old, and they eat it off my

interferon

2005-03-14 Thread Sue Feldbusch
How long have your felv+cats been on interferon? What's your dosing procedure? My cat has been on it about 1.5 yrs. and 7 days on/7 days off method. I heard about antibodies.

Re: Non-Wisconsin residents can vote on cat hunting....

2005-03-14 Thread Tad Burnett
And Wisconsin Cheese...NY and VT also make very good cheese...That might be their 2nd big product to not buy... Tad BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote: ...you have to be at the spring hearings in order to vote on this advisory issues. Anyone can sent in comments (please see below). I would suggest

Re: blocked tear duct

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
I'm glad to hear it's a blocked tear duct, (that sounds like the better of the two, at least). When my guys have watery eyes, I use a saline soaked cotton ball to clean and sooth them. They really seem to appreciate it, although I don't know if it will help in Matilda's case. I'm thrilled