Re: Help! Vaccine Reaction?
Thanks so much, Sally. Some vaccination seems necessary, but I agree that it can be overdone. I don't intend to vaccinate again for at least three years, if then. The vet agrees on the three years. Sharon[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sharon:My most sincere condolences for the loss of your mom. Even though we are able to talk to our human loved ones and express all that we feel a need to share while they are still here with us in corporeal form (unlike with our furkids), it still leaves emptiness and emotional pain when we have to let them go. We humans have such a need for that which we can see and touch. You will find that she is still with you in many intangible ways, though I know right now that may not seem like much comfort. Having feline furkids can be very comforting at a time like this...they are close to their spiritual nature and sponges for our emotions.With regard to vaccine reactions, the fact that many kittys do react negatively to them should tell us something. Vaccines are a significant stress to the immune system and especially the way they are usually given (too often and in multiple combinations). Most holistic vets do not recommend the widespread use of vaccines, and certainly not given as yearly boosters. One needs to assess the risks vs. any real benefit...such as sacrificing long-term health for short-term disease prevention. What is the liklihood of exposure? Is it a life-threatening illness you are seeking to prevent? Or, is there a law mandating it?If one finds it absolutely necessary to give vaccines to his/her furkids, things that can help to minimize negative reactions would be:1) Use only single-valent vaccines;2) Administer an immune booster such as Transfer Factor for 2-3 days prior to vaccinating, and 2-3 days after.3) Give a dose of homeopathic Thuja in conjunction with the vaccine to help override any toxic effect.The second recommendation comes from Dr. J. Lauren De Rock, a holistic vet in Aromas, CA, who introduced me to the benefits and use of Transfer Factor therapy. She said she has not experienced any negative reactions to vaccines since she began using that protocol. The first and third recommendations come from the holistic vet Dr. Martin Goldstein (author of The Nature of Animal Healing) and also Dr. Don Hamilton (author of Homeopathic Care for Cats and Dogs). There is a thorough discussion of the dubious legacy of vaccines in both their books.I do hope your Carolina will rebound and be back to her usual self with no long-lasting ill effects. For any cats who have a significantly negative reaction to vaccines, I would think twice before re-vaccinating. Humans do not need to have yearly boosters for every thing under the sun after being initially innoculated (only periodic boosters for tetanus, which is a toxin and not a virus) and a wiser approach would be to do titer testing to determine whether or not re-vaccination is really necessary when faced with a real risk of exposure.Sally in San Jose__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
OT: Staff take more time off for ill pets than relatives
Hi all Thought this article about my fellow Brits would make a nice start to the day! (Wouldn't be surprised if it was the same case in the U.S.) Kerry BRITISH people are more likely to take time off work to care for their sick pets than their partners or relatives, new research out today claimed. Full article: http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=452592005 [143.58.245.62] This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Carolina to Vet or Not?
have you tried plain pepsid ac or zantac (I use about 1/4 tablet)? Gloria At 08:59 AM 4/28/2005, you wrote: Friends, Carolina is throwing up bile, yesterday some undigested food and then bile. There was some hair and a bit of dried baby's breath in it this morning. she is eating and drinking and roaming around as usual. The vet wanted me to bring her in, but I'm hesitating. It seems like every time I take a kitty to the vet, he or she is sicker after. I know this is nuts, but I fear that I will hear some awful prognosis. Am I harming Carolina by not taking her in? I don't think I'm very rational right now. Things that happened with docs and my mom are clouding my judgment. Sharon Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=31637/*http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/Try our new resources site!
Re: Carolina to Vet or Not?
Doesn't surprize me that anyone in this group would have a better idea than some vets that I know! Carla Date sent: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:17:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Sharon Siders [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Copies to: Subject:Re: Carolina to Vet or Not? Send reply to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Carla, Gloria suggested something. She might be better than the vet, eh? Sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe the vet can give you something for her with out seeing her? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Carolina to Vet or Not?
Scary, isn't it? My trust level for both vets and doctors is not very high anymore; I sometimes think the Internet groups know more than they do. At least, we have a wide range of info. Sharon[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't surprize me that anyone in this group would have a better idea than some vets that I know!CarlaDate sent: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:17:01 -0700 (PDT)From: Sharon Siders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgCopies to: Subject: Re: Carolina to Vet or Not?Send reply to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Carla, Gloria suggested something. She might be better than the vet, eh? Sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe the vet can give you something for her with out seeing her? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Carolina to Vet or Not?
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O.T, - Please vote for Jada
Hi, One of the nice pit-bull mixes from the shelter I work with in Jersey Cityis competing to become a finalist on WCBS's Second Chance Dog Show. Please go to their website and vote for her. http://cbsnewyork.com/dogshow/ If she is a finalist, she will appear on May 6th. Thank you, Joan
RE: O.T, - Please vote for Jada
Thank you! -Original Message- From: Nina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 1:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: O.T, - Please vote for Jada Done. She's got some catching up to do though. Nina Joan Doljan wrote: Hi, One of the nice pit-bull mixes from the shelter I work with in Jersey City is competing to become a finalist on WCBS's Second Chance Dog Show. Please go to their website and vote for her. http://cbsnewyork.com/dogshow/ If she is a finalist, she will appear on May 6th. Thank you, Joan
RE: O.T, - Please vote for Jada
Title: Message Done--by me and my co-worker! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan DoljanSent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:33 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: O.T, - Please vote for Jada Hi, One of the nice pit-bull mixes from the shelter I work with in Jersey Cityis competing to become a finalist on WCBS's Second Chance Dog Show. Please go to their website and vote for her. http://cbsnewyork.com/dogshow/ If she is a finalist, she will appear on May 6th. Thank you, JoanThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: O.T, - Please vote for Jada
Title: Message Thank you! -Original Message-From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 1:55 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: O.T, - Please vote for Jada Done--by me and my co-worker! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan DoljanSent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:33 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: O.T, - Please vote for Jada Hi, One of the nice pit-bull mixes from the shelter I work with in Jersey Cityis competing to become a finalist on WCBS's Second Chance Dog Show. Please go to their website and vote for her. http://cbsnewyork.com/dogshow/ If she is a finalist, she will appear on May 6th. Thank you, JoanThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Nina and Gypsy/Calcium Carbonate for baby food
Hello everyone, I got this post from the vet that monitors the IBD list I belong to. I thought I'd pass it on to you guys for when you have to syringe feed, or resort to baby food. I don't know how much the calcium and vitamins change the taste, but it would be really nice to know they are getting a balanced diet when feeding baby food. Nina The other thought is just to get her on one diet and stick with it but syringe feed her. I usually use Wellness plain chicken for my syringe feeding although I am not sure how Wellness will do with her diarrhea. About 5% of cats with diarrhea do not do well on Wellness. I add a bit of water to the food...puree in a blender...run it through a strainer so my syringe does not clog...then syringe feed. Your other option would be to syringe feed her plain meat baby food...but add some calcium and B-complex vitamins. I finally got a chance to do some calculations for adding calcium carbonate to baby food. A 2.5 ounce jar needs about 50 mg of calcium added. The NOW brand of calcium carbonate has 1,200 mg per tsp...which makes it very difficult to calculate properly. However, you could combine 6 jars of food and then that would require 300 mg which would be 1/4 tsp of the NOW CC. Other brands have different amounts of elemental calcium in each tsp so you need to pay attention to that. Here are some links to the NOW brand of CC. http://www.nowcatalog.com/1245.html http://www.iherb.com/calcarbo.html You also need to add some B-Complex. Use 10-20 mg per 6 jars of baby food. They come in 50mg capsules so use just a portion of the capsule. If syringe feeding, go with 10 mg - or less - because you do not want to create a food aversion. Taste it yourself to test it. B vitamins are strong tasting. If using a feeding tube, I would go with the 20 mg/6 jars of baby food. I would also add in enough taurine to provide 60 mg/day. Lisa, dvm www.catinfo.org Feeding Your Cat: Know the Basics of Feline Nutrition Feline Diabetes and Diet: The High Carbohydrate Culprit Quality Commercial Canned Foods Making Cat Food The Litter Box From Your Cat's Point of View Pilling Cats and Dogs - Erosive Esophagitis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Ordering feline interferon
Nina/Michelle, How do your vets place orders? I know it's thru Abbeyvet. Just not sure about the exact procedure. I'm sure they want to get paid first. How does that work? -Kyle
RE: Ordering feline interferon
Do I understand correctly one order (90 day) supply will cost $700? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 2:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ordering feline interferon I really don't know. The oncologist just ordered it and charged me after it came in (a month after, actually). Kyle, are you getting it? If you do, are you able to get an extra box to send one back to me? I need one more in order to have one for each of my three to get prior to moving 5 hours away in July (god willing they will still be here). If you can't, I can try to order more myself, and probably should anyway. Michelle In a message dated 4/28/05 4:09:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My vet pays them up front. They have an insurance policy that covers their outlay if there is a problem with delivery. Of course, I don't think that covers confiscation at the border! Your vet could call Michelle if the info's not in her packet. Nina
Re: Back again for just a moment...
In a message dated 4/28/2005 4:04:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://alisha.leafglow.com/gallery/gallery36.html I loved it. Your niece is very talented. Sheila inline: Clouds.jpg
Re: Carolina to Vet or Not?
Me neither - I've learned it pays to be suspicious! Gloria At 09:38 AM 4/28/2005, you wrote: Scary, isn't it? My trust level for both vets and doctors is not very high anymore; I sometimes think the Internet groups know more than they do. At least, we have a wide range of info. Sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't surprize me that anyone in this group would have a better idea than some vets that I know! Carla Date sent: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:17:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Sharon Siders To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Copies to: Subject: Re: Carolina to Vet or Not? Send reply to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Carla, Gloria suggested something. She might be better than the vet, eh? Sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe the vet can give you something for her with out seeing her? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Ordering feline interferon
I'm trying to get it. I'll be going to my regular vet in a few minutes. Maybe he already ordered. He was waiting for a response from Abbeyvet. But I did tell him I would pay down on it first. So he might be waiting for that. But if everything works out, you are on the top of my list Michelle. I just can't guarantee anything yet. If something were to happen to Brissle before my vet orders, I doubt that he would order at that point. That's why I wanted to know the exact procedure. I'll find out where it stands pretty soon. As far as combining dexamethasone and depomedrol, neither vet would go for it. The internist said I need to stick with just one. He was pretty vague about which one would be better. It was hard to get past him being pissed off about the advice I got from you guys. Oh well. He's pretty much leaving my options at 1. Chemo 2. Blood transfusion or 3. Pick a steroid. So I guess I'll be picking one! -Kyle - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 4:27 PM Subject: Re: Ordering feline interferon I really don't know. The oncologist just ordered it and charged me after it came in (a month after, actually). Kyle, are you getting it? If you do, are you able to get an extra box to send one back to me? I need one more in order to have one for each of my three to get prior to moving 5 hours away in July (god willing they will still be here). If you can't, I can try to order more myself, and probably should anyway. Michelle In a message dated 4/28/05 4:09:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My vet pays them up front. They have an insurance policy that covers their outlay if there is a problem with delivery. Of course, I don't think that covers confiscation at the border! Your vet could call Michelle if the info's not in her packet. Nina
My Baby Kitten DIED
Yes...My little feral FeLV+ kitten died on March 30th...The same day as Steves kitty... Her name was "Baby Kitten"I did post on here and I think 2 people replyed... She didn't make the CLS thoughMaybe I didn't come on here and cry about it enough...But I..Like Steve still think of her and miss her and I guess if I have to read about Poor Steve every week maybe my kitty could at least be put on the CLS list... Baby Kitty was about 5 months old when she was trapped and tested pos...She was partialy crippled when I got her and very small...She hated being in the cage so much that I let her out to run in the room with my other pos cats who are all very tame... She did eat well but not much of the wet food with the suppliments and until she got sick I wasn't able to catch her...About 2 weeks before she died I suringe feed her and put her on antibiotics...She bounced back and I thought I had saved her...And along with that I had tamed her into a real snuggle bug...I didn't have her that long but I had let myself think that she was going to be around for a while... I lost 3 cats 12 - 14 years old last year but I think loosing the young kitty that never made it to her 1st birthday hurts just as much... I have lost 3 other FeLV+ cats but I also have 8 alive and well that I saved from being PTS the day I brought them home...I guess thats why I keep going Tad Steve Williams wrote: Hi all, It's been awhile. I have not been able to read the list. The email subject lines alone have been too upsetting to me. I am beginning to think I will never recover from the loss of Loki and Leeloo. I wanted to send you a link to a kind of comic book story my niece Alisha wrote for her anthropology class. It features her cats Mitas, Kaiya, and Dotty (these are also my sister Lynda's and niece Shawna's cats... the first bunch they rescued). they lost Leeloo and Loki's siblings, Milo and Abby to FeLV... All listed on Belinda's CLS list). Alisha is a bit of an artist. Click "Next" to view each page. Enjoy, Steve http://alisha.leafglow.com/gallery/gallery36.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
Re: Ordering feline interferon
Also , it is completely bizarre that he would make you choose between transfusing and chemo or steroids. Simon got transfusions for the very point of helping him stay strong enough for the chemo to work on him. He got 3 transfusions while on chemo. Michelle In a message dated 4/28/05 5:53:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as combining dexamethasone and depomedrol, neither vet would go for it. The internist said I need to stick with just one. He was pretty vague about which one would be better. It was hard to get past him being pissed off about the advice I got from you guys. Oh well. He's pretty much leaving my options at 1. Chemo 2. Blood transfusion or 3. Pick a steroid. So I guess I'll be picking one!
RE: My Baby Kitten DIED
Dear Tad, I am so very sorry to hear about your Baby Kitten she must have been, and still must be a very very special kitty for you. For that matter, any kitties are very special to me, including your Baby Kitten. Even the ones I never meet, I feel the same way they are all precious little miracles on earth! I am so sorry that I did not reply to you before. Sometimes, its very painful to continue to hear sad messages, and I choose not to read sometimes, but thats why we are here for to support each other. Please dont think that the lose of your Baby kitten was not in any way, less significant to any of us than any of lose we experienced. I do believe personally though, these little lives will come back for a better life after they crossed over your Baby Kitten is right besides you probably, and loves you as she always has what does she look like, Tad? I would still like to know more about your special kitty, if its not too painful for you. Again, thank you for sharing. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tad Burnett Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 4:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: My Baby Kitten DIED Yes...My little feral FeLV+ kitten died on March 30th...The same day as Steves kitty... Her name was Baby KittenI did post on here and I think 2 people replyed... She didn't make the CLS thoughMaybe I didn't come on here and cry about it enough...But I..Like Steve still think of her and miss her and I guess if I have to read about Poor Steve every week maybe my kitty could at least be put on the CLS list... Baby Kitty was about 5 months old when she was trapped and tested pos...She was partialy crippled when I got her and very small...She hated being in the cage so much that I let her out to run in the room with my other pos cats who are all very tame... She did eat well but not much of the wet food with the suppliments and until she got sick I wasn't able to catch her...About 2 weeks before she died I suringe feed her and put her on antibiotics...She bounced back and I thought I had saved her...And along with that I had tamed her into a real snuggle bug...I didn't have her that long but I had let myself think that she was going to be around for a while... I lost 3 cats 12 - 14 years old last year but I think loosing the young kitty that never made it to her 1st birthday hurts just as much... I have lost 3 other FeLV+ cats but I also have 8 alive and well that I saved from being PTS the day I brought them home...I guess thats why I keep going Tad Steve Williams wrote: Hi all,It's been awhile. I have not been able to read the list. The email subjectlines alone have been too upsetting to me. I am beginning to think I willnever recover from the loss of Loki and Leeloo.I wanted to send you a link to a kind of comic book story my niece Alishawrote for her anthropology class. It features her cats Mitas, Kaiya, andDotty (these are also my sister Lynda's and niece Shawna's cats... the firstbunch they rescued). they lost Leeloo and Loki's siblings, Milo and Abby toFeLV... All listed on Belinda's CLS list).Alisha is a bit of an artist. Click Next to view each page.Enjoy, Stevehttp://alisha.leafglow.com/gallery/gallery36.html
Re: My Baby Kitten DIED
Tad, How sad! I was off list from March 29until about a week ago, so I didn't know. Poor baby. But she's waiting for you at the Bridge. My furangels are looking after her, I'm sure. Big hugs to you. =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Tad Burnett To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: My Baby Kitten DIED Yes...My little feral FeLV+ kitten died on March 30th...The same day as Steves kitty...Her name was "Baby Kitten"I did post on here and I think 2 people replyed...She didn't make the CLS thoughMaybe I didn't come on here and cry about itenough...But I..Like Steve still think of her and miss her and I guess if I have to readabout Poor Steve every week maybe my kitty could at least be put on the CLS list...Baby Kitty was about 5 months old when she was trapped and tested pos...She waspartialy crippled when I got her and very small...She hated being in the cage so muchthat I let her out to run in the room with my other pos cats who are all very tame...She did eat well but not much of the wet food with the suppliments and until she gotsick I wasn't able to catch her...About 2 weeks before she died I suringe feed herand put her on antibiotics...She bounced back and I thought I had saved her...Andalong with that I had tamed her into a real snuggle bug...I didn't have her that longbut I had let myself think that she was going to be around for a while...I lost 3 cats 12 - 14 years old last year but I think loosing the young kitty that nevermade it to her 1st birthday hurts just as much...I have lost 3 other FeLV+ cats but I also have 8 alive and well that I saved from beingPTS the day I brought them home...I guess thats why I keep goingTadSteve Williams wrote: Hi all, It's been awhile. I have not been able to read the list. The email subject lines alone have been too upsetting to me. I am beginning to think I will never recover from the loss of Loki and Leeloo. I wanted to send you a link to a kind of comic book story my niece Alisha wrote for her anthropology class. It features her cats Mitas, Kaiya, and Dotty (these are also my sister Lynda's and niece Shawna's cats... the first bunch they rescued). they lost Leeloo and Loki's siblings, Milo and Abby to FeLV... All listed on Belinda's CLS list). Alisha is a bit of an artist. Click "Next" to view each page. Enjoy, Steve http://alisha.leafglow.com/gallery/gallery36.html No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
Re: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOX
How long have you had Cleo? Has she ever done this before? Don't you have some 'new' additions to your crew? I would take all that into account.. tCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, otherwise she is acting completely normal.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It can mean any kind of illness, but most likely indicates that she feels extremely sick or weak. I would take her to the vet immediately.MichelleIn a message dated 4/27/05 10:29:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello there, I just have a quick question, I am drawing a blank. One of my kitties Cleo is laying in the kitty litter box, I know this means something, I just can not place it.Thanks Cherie
RE: My Baby Kitten DIED
Tad, yes it does hurt too much to loose the young ones. I know all too well about seeing positive signs and having hope and getting even more attached than before. It's too cruel... but then you go on... and I am glad you are able to take care of, and able to have the comfort of your other cats. I really lost it today, but sending out the link to my niece's cat comic book was something positive for me to do and being able to do that is a sign I am getting out of my own funk. Baby Kitty will forever be in my memorywith Loki. Thebabies that lose their lives shall not be forgotten. Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Tad BurnettSent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:00 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: My Baby Kitten DIEDYes...My little feral FeLV+ kitten died on March 30th...The same day as Steves kitty...Her name was "Baby Kitten"I did post on here and I think 2 people replyed...She didn't make the CLS thoughMaybe I didn't come on here and cry about itenough...But I..Like Steve still think of her and miss her and I guess if I have to readabout Poor Steve every week maybe my kitty could at least be put on the CLS list...Baby Kitty was about 5 months old when she was trapped and tested pos...She waspartialy crippled when I got her and very small...She hated being in the cage so muchthat I let her out to run in the room with my other pos cats who are all very tame...She did eat well but not much of the wet food with the suppliments and until she gotsick I wasn't able to catch her...About 2 weeks before she died I suringe feed herand put her on antibiotics...She bounced back and I thought I had saved her...Andalong with that I had tamed her into a real snuggle bug...I didn't have her that longbut I had let myself think that she was going to be around for a while...I lost 3 cats 12 - 14 years old last year but I think loosing the young kitty that nevermade it to her 1st birthday hurts just as much...I have lost 3 other FeLV+ cats but I also have 8 alive and well that I saved from beingPTS the day I brought them home...I guess thats why I keep goingTadSteve Williams wrote: Hi all, It's been awhile. I have not been able to read the list. The email subject lines alone have been too upsetting to me. I am beginning to think I will never recover from the loss of Loki and Leeloo. I wanted to send you a link to a kind of comic book story my niece Alisha wrote for her anthropology class. It features her cats Mitas, Kaiya, and Dotty (these are also my sister Lynda's and niece Shawna's cats... the first bunch they rescued). they lost Leeloo and Loki's siblings, Milo and Abby to FeLV... All listed on Belinda's CLS list). Alisha is a bit of an artist. Click "Next" to view each page. Enjoy, Steve http://alisha.leafglow.com/gallery/gallery36.html
Re: My Baby Kitten DIED
Tad, I did not get any posts about her. I am so sorry. Michelle
Re: Baby Kitty
In a message dated 4/28/2005 8:10:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm CCing this to Belinda so she will but Baby Kitty on the CLS page. I'm sorry Baby Kitty got lost in the shuffle of my loss. Belinda's wonderful CLS page does help to get at least some closure. Tad,, I am so sorry for your loss. I know firsthand how hard it is. I'm not always up to date with the postings her, sorry. I am glad Steve is forwarding Baby Kitty to Belinda for the CLS list. I was going to suggest that. Having my "furkids" on the list does help I do manage to try to participate in the CLS services Mondays light candles. Again, I am so very sorry for your loss. Patti
Re: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil
Thanks Michelle for that ray of hope. I'm trying not to panic. Before my animals started getting sick, I was so calm in crisis conditions. That's all shot to h**l now. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, I think it could be a sign of something serious, but I also seem to remember someone writing a long time ago that cats with FeLV sometimes just get this condition. I am not positive, but I really think I remember that, and that it is not a big deal when it happens. I would certainly get her checked out, but I pray that is all it is. Please try not to panic at this point (easier said than done, I know). Michelle
Re: My Baby Kitten DIED
Tad, I am so sorry - the loss of a youngster can hit very hard. My stepdad rescued a kitten he saw thrown from a truck, it's sibling didn't make the landing, and she died less than a week later - tiny little thing, just barely a handful - from starvation induced pneumonia... There was nothing they could have done to save her.My mom, stepdadandnephew were utterly broken-hearted and she'd been with them only days. And when you've spent days and weeks and even months, sometimes, nursing a special needs animal, the bond that develops is very deep and the loss cuts that much more. I hope that knowing there are other people out therewho feel as deeply for their animals as you do for yours helps a little. Time will pass and you will remember the good feelings more than the sad, though you won't ever forget Baby Kitty. HUGSTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes...My little feral FeLV+ kitten died on March 30th...The same day as Steves kitty...Her name was "Baby Kitten"I did post on here and I think 2 people replyed...She didn't make the CLS thoughMaybe I didn't come on here and cry about itenough...But I..Like Steve still think of her and miss her and I guess if I have to readabout Poor Steve every week maybe my kitty could at least be put on the CLS list...Baby Kitty was about 5 months old when she was trapped and tested pos...She waspartialy crippled when I got her and very small...She hated being in the cage so muchthat I let her out to run in the room with my other pos cats who are all very tame...She did eat well but not much of the wet food with the suppliments and until she gotsick I wasn't able to catch her...About 2 weeks before she died I suringe feed herand put her on antibiotics...She bounced back and I thought I had saved her...Andalong with that I had tamed her into a real snuggle bug...I didn't have her that longbut I had let myself think that she was going to be around for a while...I lost 3 cats 12 - 14 years old last year but I think loosing the young kitty that nevermade it to her 1st birthday hurts just as much...I have lost 3 other FeLV+ cats but I also have 8 alive and well that I saved from beingPTS the day I brought them home...I guess thats why I keep goingTadSteve Williams wrote: Hi all, It's been awhile. I have not been able to read the list. The email subject lines alone have been too upsetting to me. I am beginning to think I will never recover from the loss of Loki and Leeloo. I wanted to send you a link to a kind of comic book story my niece Alisha wrote for her anthropology class. It features her cats Mitas, Kaiya, and Dotty (these are also my sister Lynda's and niece Shawna's cats... the first bunch they rescued). they lost Leeloo and Loki's siblings, Milo and Abby to FeLV... All listed on Belinda's CLS list). Alisha is a bit of an artist. Click "Next" to view each page. Enjoy, Steve http://alisha.leafglow.com/gallery/gallery36.html No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil
Nina, go search in the archives from 1998, my Ninja had strange pupil issues and there was nothing at all wrong with her eyes. She had uneven dilation and it would changeoccasionally as to which eye was more dilated, but they were both more dilated than normal. My vet even checked her ocular pressure, to see if uveitis was an issue. Nope, her pressure was actually a little low! We'd had discussions then about odd dilation and reverse-D pupils and how sometimes they just seem to happen in FeLV+ kitties, with no obvious reason why. Keep an eye on her and if there is any drainage that is not a normal healthy eye booger color, then definitely take her in. You may want to have her looked at just in case, but, in my opinion, you do NOT need to panic; it's just a weird thing thathappens with some FeLV+ kitties.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just posted about how well Grace has been doing. I'm about to lose my mind, I'm so scared. I'm really trying to hold it together and not get ahead of myself, but the thought of losing Grace, right after Jazz... There must be something really wrong with me. Grace has been doing so well, I thought maybe... just maybe...About 2 hours ago I noticed that Grace's left eye's pupil is dilated. It's contracting some in sunlight and getting bigger as the light lessens, but it's definitely larger than her right eye. It doesn't look irritated, no tearing, no signs of abrasion. I ran my fingers over both sides of her eyes and face, the left side doesn't seem any different than the right. It doesn't seem to bother her when I touch that side. She's acting perfectly normal otherwise. In fact the last week or so, she's been such a kitten. Running, jumping cavorting, chasing great big Kimba Cat around, just having a grand time with life, it's been such a joy to witness. I called my Internist's office and spoke with Michelle. She said it's possible that she got something on her paw and rubbed it over that eye, a plant, or something in the yard that's toxic. I don't think that's it. I don't think there's anything out there that is toxic, and if there is, it's sure taken them a long time to find it. Her other thought was that it's something neurological. Something, (oh shit), pressing on her optic nerve and causing the pupil to dilate. Her sister Molly had a tumor behind, I think the same eye. Her eye started to protrude and then it ruptured when she was being rushed to the ER. If it's any worse by tomorrow, I'm going to go to my vet's and sit in the lobby until she'll see me. Do you think I should take her in even if it remains stable?Has anyone had any experience with this sort of thing? Any ideas? I really don't think I can take it if I lose my Grace. Please pray that this passes and she's okay. NinaBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil
My Big Boy (FELV+) sometimes gets this but doesn't seem to cause any problems It seems to come go but I can't really attribute it to anything in particular I've also read that it occurs more in FELV+ cats Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jen Meyer Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil Hi Nina! I've actually got three cats with this condition (I don't recall the technical name for it, but it's common among cats with FeLV)...Marvin (he's about 4 years old) has a pupil that's completely blown, but is healthy in every other respect...My Ewok's right pupil will dilate every once in a while and has had this condition for almost two years now (he's also healthy in every other respect...the dilated pupil has been his only outward sign of the virus)...and my Sleepypants just recently developed the dilated pupil-thing about 3 or 4 months ago...and, again, he's doing just fine! I don't think that anyone really knows exactly why this happens to cats with FeLV...but it doesn't seem to be a condition that hurts them or affects their quality/quantity of life! Hope this helps! Jen
Re: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil
I forgot to mention that my vet also said that this is not unheard of with FelV kitties. Nina
Re: My Baby Kitten DIED
Oh Barb, I remember that kitten. It is so sad to lose them so young. I think the pain is amplified when we take them in praying for miracles, almost expecting them to happen. It's like what happened to Tad, they bounce back, you think you've saved them and then wham, heartache. Rescue is not for sissies. Nina Barb Moermond wrote: Tad, I am so sorry - the loss of a youngster can hit very hard. My stepdad rescued a kitten he saw thrown from a truck, it's sibling didn't make the landing, and she died less than a week later - tiny little thing, just barely a handful - from starvation induced pneumonia... There was nothing they could have done to save her. My mom, stepdad and nephew were utterly broken-hearted and she'd been with them only days. And when you've spent days and weeks and even months, sometimes, nursing a special needs animal, the bond that develops is very deep and the loss cuts that much more. I hope that knowing there are other people out there who feel as deeply for their animals as you do for yours helps a little. Time will pass and you will remember the good feelings more than the sad, though you won't ever forget Baby Kitty. HUGS */Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Yes...My little feral FeLV+ kitten died on March 30th...The same day as Steves kitty... Her name was Baby KittenI did post on here and I think 2 people replyed... She didn't make the CLS thoughMaybe I didn't come on here and cry about it enough...But I..Like Steve still think of her and miss her and I guess if I have to read about Poor Steve every week maybe my kitty could at least be put on the CLS list... Baby Kitty was about 5 months old when she was trapped and tested pos...She was partialy crippled when I got her and very small...She hated being in the cage so much that I let her out to run in the room with my other pos cats who are all very tame... She did eat well but not much of the wet food with the suppliments and until she got sick I wasn't able to catch her...About 2 weeks before she died I suringe feed her and put her on antibiotics...She bounced back and I thought I had saved her...And along with that I had tamed her into a real snuggle bug...I didn't have her that long but I had let myself think that she was going to be around for a while... I lost 3 cats 12 - 14 years old last year but I think loosing the young kitty that never made it to her 1st birthday hurts just as much... I have lost 3 other FeLV+ cats but I also have 8 alive and well that I saved from being PTS the day I brought them home...I guess thats why I keep going Tad Steve Williams wrote: Hi all, It's been awhile. I have not been able to read the list. The email subject lines alone have been too upsetting to me. I am beginning to think I will never recover from the loss of Loki and Leeloo. I wanted to send you a link to a kind of comic book story my niece Alisha wrote for her anthropology class. It features her cats Mitas, Kaiya, and Dotty (these are also my sister Lynda's and niece Shawna's cats... the first bunch they rescued). they lost Leeloo and Loki's siblings, Milo and Abby to FeLV... All listed on Belinda's CLS list). Alisha is a bit of an artist. Click Next to view each page. Enjoy, Steve http://alisha.leafglow.com/gallery/gallery36.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
