Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe

2005-05-09 Thread Barbara Baass

Thanks for the information. Guess I will be on for awhile longer. They brought Tom back in three  a half hours. His wife looked it up on the internet and he said that his sister is taking chemo treatments and is not suppose to be around a leukemia cat, so he didn't want to take the risk.
Have you ever heard of this? I wonder what site she saw this on? You could tell that Tom sure was glad to be back. I am really disappointed though. It was really a nice home and big yard with lots of trees.
Barbara BaassBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Barbara, this is great news about Tom, I hope you can check on him occasionally and hear how he is doing.The instructions below were for the old list, here is where to go to unsubscribe:http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orgInstructions are way down at the bottom of the page, good luck and thanks for caring enough to find Tom a home!!---If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list,send the following command in email to[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
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Re: Akira needs prayers......

2005-05-09 Thread Sue Feldbusch
Lisa,
Sorry to hear about Akira.  I hope seh's doing better.  Her story inspired 
me, and gave me the hope for my felv+ cat.  I will surely keep Akira in my 
thoughts/prayers.

From: Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Akira needs prayers..
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 20:15:02 -0400
Healing prayers coming your way.
=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=

Furkid Photos! 
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My FeLV Site: 
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My Personal Page: 
http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350
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  Subject: Akira needs prayers..


  Hi everyone,
  well it  seems like for every great thing an equally horrible one 
occursThe book that my stories are in came out this week...many about 
Akira and how she over came her sicknesses when I found her...My 23rd 
birthday was yesterday (cinco de Mayo), and Monday Akira decided to quit 
eating, Ive been force feeding her, and offering her anything I could think 
of...she would sniff..but not even was remotely interested other than 
thatSo today to the vet we went...Im home now..she is still there...45 
mins away, on an IV catheter for  fluids, being force fed, waiting on blood 
work to come backshe has the VERY first signs of fatty liver, (her 
urine is VERY concentrate)..but she isnt jaundiced yet (thankfully)...and 
her blood is very thick...which is good..she presumably by teh looks of 
it..isnt anemic...which means this possibly is NOT as a result of the 
Leukemia...but then again...as with every other damned symptom..it still 
could beIve never left her alone before..I am so worriedand feel so 
betrayed.HAPPY BIRTHDAY..your cat is trying to die  ..So please say 
prayers, send Reikianything her way she needs all the help she can 
get...she is dehydrated, initiall fatty liver..and she has lost 2 lbs in 
about 4 days..(.she only weighed 8 to begin with)  She is my angel that 
introduced me to rescue, cats, and unconditional loveI cant lose 
her.Im not ready.

  Lisa and the furbrats
  Akira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and Anza




RE: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe

2005-05-09 Thread Barbara Baass

IYes, it is amazing. that is the most lame excuse I ever heard. I made sure that I told them to bring Tom back to me if it didn't work out and that I would call and check on him in a couple days and drop by to see him once in awhile.He was a little stressed when he came back. He was really hungry and thirsty. I felt bad about that. The people came in the yard and i told them to open the carrier, he will go in the house. They opened it and Tom couldn't get in the house fast enough.
BarbaraChris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





You know—the reason they brought him back really doesn’t matter—people come up with all sorts of crazy reasons. The good news is that they brought him back to you—sometimes people don’t want to ‘face the music’  just bring the animal to the local shelter….


Chris
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-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara BaassSent: Monday, May 09, 2005 7:44 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe



Thanks for the information. Guess I will be on for awhile longer. They brought Tom back in three  a half hours. His wife looked it up on the internet and he said that his sister is taking chemo treatments and is not suppose to be around a leukemia cat, so he didn't want to take the risk.

Have you ever heard of this? I wonder what site she saw this on? You could tell that Tom sure was glad to be back. I am really disappointed though. It was really a nice home and big yard with lots of trees.

Barbara BaassBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Barbara, this is great news about Tom, I hope you can check on him occasionally and hear how he is doing.The instructions below were for the old list, here is where to go to unsubscribe:http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orgInstructions are way down at the bottom of the page, good luck and thanks for caring enough to find Tom a home!!---If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list,send the following command in email to[EMAIL PROTECTED]: unsubscribeOr you can send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the followingcommand in the body of your email message: unsubscribe felvtalkor from another account, besides [EMAIL PROTECTED]: unsubscribe felvtalk [EMAIL PROTECTED]If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list,(if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about thelist itself) send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you needto contact a human. No info available for felvtalk -- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting  web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com



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Re: Welcome back Barbara

2005-05-09 Thread Barbara Baass
Thanks Kerry,
No, their yard was not cat proof. I am beginning to think it is meant for him to be here. I love Tom to death, but I aslo worry about my 4 non-positive ones gettting felv. I just hope  pray that they don't. I would never forgive myself.
There is a vet here that has a lot of clients that mix their positive with their negative and I was told they get their negatives one felv shots every 6 months. That seems like a lot to over load their system with. My vet does it once a year.
I will try a little longer and re-word my ad to spell out felv, so that there is not any mis-understanding. I sure hate to put Tom through this again though.
Barbara Baass"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Welcome back, tho I'm sorry for the reason, Barbara--sorry for your disappointment and sorry that Tom had to go through that stress and upheaval. These people were obviously not right for cat adoption--they didn't care enough to do the "homework" beforehand or get the facts straight when they did. I'm glad he's happy to be home. I'm wondering--I don't know if their yard was catproof--ie other cats unable to get in. That's the only way that Tom would have been able to use the yard without the risk of coming into contact with, and passing on the disease to,non-vaccinated FeLV neg cats.
I know you're anxious to find a "good home" for Tom but seems to me the home he has now is going to be a hard act to follow---more than anything, he's happy and stress-freewith you. :)
Give a big hug to Tom, and again, glad to welcome you back, Barbara!
Kerry

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Thanks for the information. Guess I will be on for awhile longer. They brought Tom back in three  a half hours. His wife looked it up on the internet and he said that his sister is taking chemo treatments and is not suppose to be around a leukemia cat, so he didn't want to take the risk.
Have you ever heard of this? I wonder what site she saw this on? You could tell that Tom sure was glad to be back. I am really disappointed though. It was really a nice home and big yard with lots of trees.
Barbara BaassBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Barbara, this is great news about Tom, I hope you can check on him occasionally and hear how he is doing.The instructions below were for the old list, here is where to go to unsubscribe:http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orgInstructions are way down at the bottom of the page, good luck and thanks for caring enough to find Tom a home!!---If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list,send the following command in email to[EMAIL PROTECTED]:nb! sp;
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Re: Welcome back Barbara

2005-05-09 Thread Nina




Barbara,
I don't know why your vet would give a felv shot every 6 months.
That's really over-kill. You're right, it is too much for their
systems. From all I've read and been told once a year is MORE than
sufficient. If you are concerned about whether they are protected, you
can have a blood test run to check and see if they still have
antibodies, (is that what the titers show, guys?), to keep the
negatives from getting the disease.

I'm sorry that you and Tom had to go through that adoption fiasco.
It's happened to me before too. I just gave in and decided that they
were meant to stay with me. I know you have more to consider with
this decision than just having one more mouth to feed though  Make
sure you do a home-check for whomever wants to adopt Tom. Someone
interested in adopting a sight-unseen FeLV kitty would be a God send,
but be careful they're not someone looking to sell animals to a lab for
testing! I'm glad Tom is back safe with you, (at least for now). 
Nina


Barbara Baass wrote:

  Thanks Kerry,
  No, their yard was not cat proof.
I am beginning to think it is meant for him to be here. I love Tom to
death, but I aslo worry about my 4 non-positive ones gettting felv. I
just hope  pray that they don't. I would never forgive myself.
  There is a vet here that has a lot
of clients that mix their positive with their negative and I was told
they get their negatives one felv shots every 6 months. That seems like
a lot to over load their system with. My vet does it once a year.
  I will try a little longer and
re-word my ad to spell out felv, so that there is not any
mis-understanding. I sure hate to put Tom through this again though.
  Barbara Baass
  





Akira

2005-05-09 Thread anzajaguar



Thank you everyone for all your prayers,
Akira is resting peacefully on my bed right now, very calm and 
sereneshe is dyingwe have decided to let her go on her own

They got the blood results on her back Saturday..but they were 
incomplete...the CBC was missing...the results were so scewed and far fetched 
teh tech's at the lab didn't think they were right so they were waiting until 
Monday (today) to have a Pathologist review them. Akira's vet called them 
adn asked for the numbers anyways...her white cell count was 400,000! 
and her lymphocytes (sp) were high tooshe has cancer...so that is what 
caused her to quit eating...well...her liver values are 16 times 
normal.and she is hypothyroid (I think that is the one..it is the one cats 
dont usually get) she is in liver failure(fatty liver ) from not 
eatingthe vet said that in healthy (non FeLV+) cats the survival rate is 70% 
with intensive carefor just teh fatty liver alone (in the stage she was 
in) and by that she meant a permanent feeding tube, 8 months or more of 
feeding her 6-10 times a day, and fighting any infection she would get from the 
feeding tube.but then on top of that she has cancer..somewhere...and we 
would have to find and treat that as well..so ultrasounds, x rays, biopsies...to 
even see if the cancer is treatableplus the treatment/surgery IF it 
wasPLUS the Fatty liver...PLUS the 
FeLV.and she probally wouldn't make it anyways...not to mention the tourture 
of all those procedures,a nd staying at teh vets office for a least another 
week...I decided to bring her home.What made it so much worse is I had to 
work this weekend..from 7 30 am until 10 pm both Saturday adn Sunday..so I got 
to hardley spend any time with her until today
So thank you whoever sent the number for Janet the ACI called her adn 
she spoke with Akira...Akira does NOT want to go to the vet..nor does she want 
any help...right now...she wants to go at home with us around...so so be 
itShe wants to live every remaining minute of her life in peace and 
home...Janet was complelty amazed at how powerful, beautifull, nad strong 
Akira's soul was. Which was comforting..but not a surprise..as many others 
(amature) have said the same things...Janet says she has only encountered a few 
other Angelic Beings in physical forms before...and Akira is one of 
them..

So just an update on her..and how things are going...she is calm, not in 
pain, and peaceful, and ready to go...she understands what is happening, and is 
ready for itPlease pray for her,and send all the suppportiive energy you can 
to herIprobally wont be on for a few days at least...but thank you to 
everyone who prayed for her, gave m,e info when I first found her, and was 
a shoulder to cry on...you are all some of the best friends Ive ever had the 
pleasure of knowing
Lisa and the 
furbratsAkira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and 
Anza


Re: Akira

2005-05-09 Thread Barb Moermond
Oh Lisa, I'm so sorry it has come to this for Akira. I'm very proud of you for letting her go peacefully, at home, surrounded by those she loves and who love her. We're all there with you guys, sitting peacefully and keeping you company.

HUGS[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thank you everyone for all your prayers,
Akira is resting peacefully on my bed right now, very calm and sereneshe is dyingwe have decided to let her go on her own

They got the blood results on her back Saturday..but they were incomplete...the CBC was missing...the results were so scewed and far fetched teh tech's at the lab didn't think they were right so they were waiting until Monday (today) to have a Pathologist review them. Akira's vet called them adn asked for the numbers anyways...her white cell count was 400,000! and her lymphocytes (sp) were high tooshe has cancer...so that is what caused her to quit eating...well...her liver values are 16 times normal.and she is hypothyroid (I think that is the one..it is the one cats dont usually get) she is in liver failure(fatty liver ) from not eatingthe vet said that in healthy (non FeLV+) cats the survival rate is 70% with intensive carefor just teh fatty liver alone (in the stage she was in) and by that she meant a permanent feeding tube, 8 months or more of feeding her 6-10 times a day, and fighting any infection she would
 get from the feeding tube.but then on top of that she has cancer..somewhere...and we would have to find and treat that as well..so ultrasounds, x rays, biopsies...to even see if the cancer is treatableplus the treatment/surgery IF it wasPLUS the Fatty liver...PLUS the FeLV.and she probally wouldn't make it anyways...not to mention the tourture of all those procedures,a nd staying at teh vets office for a least another week...I decided to bring her home.What made it so much worse is I had to work this weekend..from 7 30 am until 10 pm both Saturday adn Sunday..so I got to hardley spend any time with her until today
So thank you whoever sent the number for Janet the ACI called her adn she spoke with Akira...Akira does NOT want to go to the vet..nor does she want any help...right now...she wants to go at home with us around...so so be itShe wants to live every remaining minute of her life in peace and home...Janet was complelty amazed at how powerful, beautifull, nad strong Akira's soul was. Which was comforting..but not a surprise..as many others (amature) have said the same things...Janet says she has only encountered a few other Angelic Beings in physical forms before...and Akira is one of them..

So just an update on her..and how things are going...she is calm, not in pain, and peaceful, and ready to go...she understands what is happening, and is ready for itPlease pray for her,and send all the suppportiive energy you can to herIprobally wont be on for a few days at least...but thank you to everyone who prayed for her, gave m,e info when I first found her, and was a shoulder to cry on...you are all some of the best friends Ive ever had the pleasure of knowing
Lisa and the furbratsAkira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and AnzaBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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RE: Akira

2005-05-09 Thread Doljan, Joan
Title: Message



Lisa,

I am so sorry that Akira is leaving 
you. I think your decision, to let her leave on her own terms,was 
the most compassionate and wisest one. Just be with her, comfort her and 
let her know how much you care.



Joan

  
  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 1:56 
  PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: 
  Akira
  Thank you everyone for all your prayers,
  Akira is resting peacefully on my bed right now, very calm and 
  sereneshe is dyingwe have decided to let her go on her own
  
  They got the blood results on her back Saturday..but they were 
  incomplete...the CBC was missing...the results were so scewed and far fetched 
  teh tech's at the lab didn't think they were right so they were waiting until 
  Monday (today) to have a Pathologist review them. Akira's vet called 
  them adn asked for the numbers anyways...her white cell count was 
  400,000! and her lymphocytes (sp) were high tooshe has 
  cancer...so that is what caused her to quit eating...well...her liver 
  values are 16 times normal.and she is hypothyroid (I think that is 
  the one..it is the one cats dont usually get) she is in liver 
  failure(fatty liver ) from not eatingthe vet said that in healthy (non 
  FeLV+) cats the survival rate is 70% with intensive carefor just teh fatty 
  liver alone (in the stage she was in) and by that she meant a permanent 
  feeding tube, 8 months or more of feeding her 6-10 times a day, and fighting 
  any infection she would get from the feeding tube.but then on top of that 
  she has cancer..somewhere...and we would have to find and treat that as 
  well..so ultrasounds, x rays, biopsies...to even see if the cancer is 
  treatableplus the treatment/surgery IF it wasPLUS the Fatty 
  liver...PLUS the FeLV.and she 
  probally wouldn't make it anyways...not to mention the tourture of all those 
  procedures,a nd staying at teh vets office for a least another week...I 
  decided to bring her home.What made it so much worse is I had to work this 
  weekend..from 7 30 am until 10 pm both Saturday adn Sunday..so I got to 
  hardley spend any time with her until today
  So thank you whoever sent the number for Janet the ACI called her adn 
  she spoke with Akira...Akira does NOT want to go to the vet..nor does she want 
  any help...right now...she wants to go at home with us around...so so be 
  itShe wants to live every remaining minute of her life in peace and 
  home...Janet was complelty amazed at how powerful, beautifull, nad strong 
  Akira's soul was. Which was comforting..but not a surprise..as many 
  others (amature) have said the same things...Janet says she has only 
  encountered a few other Angelic Beings in physical forms before...and Akira is 
  one of them..
  
  So just an update on her..and how things are going...she is calm, not in 
  pain, and peaceful, and ready to go...she understands what is happening, and 
  is ready for itPlease pray for her,and send all the suppportiive energy 
  you can to herIprobally wont be on for a few days at least...but thank you 
  to everyone who prayed for her, gave m,e info when I first found her, and 
  was a shoulder to cry on...you are all some of the best friends Ive ever 
  had the pleasure of knowing
  Lisa and the 
  furbratsAkira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and 
  Anza


Re: Akira

2005-05-09 Thread Del Daniels



Lisa, I am sorry you and Akira are going through this tough 
time. It is always so hard and there is nothing I can say or do to make it 
any easier. Please know that we care for you and pray forAkira's 
peaceful passage to the Rainbow Bridge. You gave her much love and she has 
given you many happy memories. 

Hugs,
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 12:55 PM
  Subject: Akira
  
  Thank you everyone for all your prayers,
  Akira is resting peacefully on my bed right now, very calm and 
  sereneshe is dyingwe have decided to let her go on her own
  
  They got the blood results on her back Saturday..but they were 
  incomplete...the CBC was missing...the results were so scewed and far fetched 
  teh tech's at the lab didn't think they were right so they were waiting until 
  Monday (today) to have a Pathologist review them. Akira's vet called 
  them adn asked for the numbers anyways...her white cell count was 
  400,000! and her lymphocytes (sp) were high tooshe has 
  cancer...so that is what caused her to quit eating...well...her liver 
  values are 16 times normal.and she is hypothyroid (I think that is 
  the one..it is the one cats dont usually get) she is in liver 
  failure(fatty liver ) from not eatingthe vet said that in healthy (non 
  FeLV+) cats the survival rate is 70% with intensive carefor just teh fatty 
  liver alone (in the stage she was in) and by that she meant a permanent 
  feeding tube, 8 months or more of feeding her 6-10 times a day, and fighting 
  any infection she would get from the feeding tube.but then on top of that 
  she has cancer..somewhere...and we would have to find and treat that as 
  well..so ultrasounds, x rays, biopsies...to even see if the cancer is 
  treatableplus the treatment/surgery IF it wasPLUS the Fatty 
  liver...PLUS the FeLV.and she 
  probally wouldn't make it anyways...not to mention the tourture of all those 
  procedures,a nd staying at teh vets office for a least another week...I 
  decided to bring her home.What made it so much worse is I had to work this 
  weekend..from 7 30 am until 10 pm both Saturday adn Sunday..so I got to 
  hardley spend any time with her until today
  So thank you whoever sent the number for Janet the ACI called her adn 
  she spoke with Akira...Akira does NOT want to go to the vet..nor does she want 
  any help...right now...she wants to go at home with us around...so so be 
  itShe wants to live every remaining minute of her life in peace and 
  home...Janet was complelty amazed at how powerful, beautifull, nad strong 
  Akira's soul was. Which was comforting..but not a surprise..as many 
  others (amature) have said the same things...Janet says she has only 
  encountered a few other Angelic Beings in physical forms before...and Akira is 
  one of them..
  
  So just an update on her..and how things are going...she is calm, not in 
  pain, and peaceful, and ready to go...she understands what is happening, and 
  is ready for itPlease pray for her,and send all the suppportiive energy 
  you can to herIprobally wont be on for a few days at least...but thank you 
  to everyone who prayed for her, gave m,e info when I first found her, and 
  was a shoulder to cry on...you are all some of the best friends Ive ever 
  had the pleasure of knowing
  Lisa and the 
  furbratsAkira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and 
  Anza


Re AKira

2005-05-09 Thread anzajaguar





In a message dated 5/9/2005 12:00:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lisa,Sorry to hear about Akira. I hope seh's doing 
  better. Her story inspired me, and gave me the hope for my felv+ 
  cat. I will surely keep Akira in my 
thoughts/prayers.

Thank you so much for that..I will tell her...Im sure she will be happy to 
hear it...That is what she was here for (per herself)..to teach and inspireI 
am so happy to hear that she helped you (her story) with your kittythat 
means so much...She is resting peacefully right now...but I dont think it will 
be longall the light and love helps the passingit means so much to 
her..thank you everyone!!!
Lisa and the 
furbratsAkira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and 
Anza


Re: Akira

2005-05-09 Thread Nina




Oh Lisa, I'm so sorry to hear it's Akira's time to cross. What a
strong and brave soul she is, and you too. I'm sobbing as I write
this. We are all standing vigil with you. I'm sending you as much
strength, courage and calm as I can muster. I'm praying for a peaceful
passing for your darling girl. Travel light and bright on your journey
sweet Akira.
Much love to you and your family,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Thank you everyone for all your prayers,
  Akira is resting peacefully on my bed right now, very calm and
sereneshe is dyingwe have decided to let her go on her own
  
  They got the blood results on her back Saturday..but they were
incomplete...the CBC was missing...the results were so scewed and far
fetched teh tech's at the lab didn't think they were right so they were
waiting until Monday (today) to have a Pathologist review them.
Akira's vet called them adn asked for the numbers anyways...her white
cell count was 400,000! and her lymphocytes (sp) were high
tooshe has cancer...so that is what caused her to quit
eating...well...her liver values are 16 times normal.and she is
hypothyroid (I think that is the one..it is the one cats dont usually
get) she is in liver failure(fatty liver ) from not eatingthe
vet said that in healthy (non FeLV+) cats the survival rate is 70% with
intensive carefor just teh fatty liver alone (in the stage she was
in) and by that she meant a permanent feeding tube, 8 months or more
of feeding her 6-10 times a day, and fighting any infection she would
get from the feeding tube.but then on top of that she has
cancer..somewhere...and we would have to find and treat that as
well..so ultrasounds, x rays, biopsies...to even see if the cancer is
treatableplus the treatment/surgery IF it wasPLUS the Fatty
liver...PLUS the FeLV.and
she probally wouldn't make it anyways...not to mention the tourture of
all those procedures,a nd staying at teh vets office for a least
another week...I decided to bring her home.What made it so much
worse is I had to work this weekend..from 7 30 am until 10 pm both
Saturday adn Sunday..so I got to hardley spend any time with her until
today
  So thank you whoever sent the number for Janet the ACI
called her adn she spoke with Akira...Akira does NOT want to go to the
vet..nor does she want any help...right now...she wants to go at home
with us around...so so be itShe wants to live every remaining
minute of her life in peace and home...Janet was complelty amazed at
how powerful, beautifull, nad strong Akira's soul was. Which was
comforting..but not a surprise..as many others (amature) have said the
same things...Janet says she has only encountered a few other Angelic
Beings in physical forms before...and Akira is one of them..
  
  So just an update on her..and how things are going...she is
calm, not in pain, and peaceful, and ready to go...she understands what
is happening, and is ready for itPlease pray for her,and send all
the suppportiive energy you can to herIprobally wont be on for a
few days at least...but thank you to everyone who prayed for her, gave
m,e info when I first found her, and was a shoulder to cry on...you
are all some of the best friends Ive ever had the pleasure of
knowing
  Lisa
and the furbrats
Akira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and Anza
  




RE: Akira

2005-05-09 Thread carlas
Lisa

My thoughts are with you.

Carla



RE: Akira

2005-05-09 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto








Hi, I am the one who emailed you the number
of AC, Janet. I am glad that you had a chance to speak with Akira via
Janet  

And I am praying every single minute for Akiras
peace and safety in your arm  that you and Akira can and will spend for
the rest of all the time you will have together with no pain, but just lots of
love and peace ---



Hugs and love



Hideyo











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 11:56
AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Akira







Thank you everyone for all your prayers,





Akira is resting peacefully on my bed
right now, very calm and sereneshe is dyingwe have decided to let her
go on her own











They got the blood results on her back
Saturday..but they were incomplete...the CBC was missing...the results were so
scewed and far fetched teh tech's at the lab didn't think they were right so
they were waiting until Monday (today) to have a Pathologist review them.
Akira's vet called them adn asked for the numbers anyways...her white cell
count was 400,000! and her lymphocytes (sp) were high tooshe has
cancer...so that is what caused her to quit eating...well...her liver
values are 16 times normal.and she is hypothyroid (I think that is
the one..it is the one cats dont usually get) she is in liver
failure(fatty liver ) from not eatingthe vet said that in healthy (non
FeLV+) cats the survival rate is 70% with intensive carefor just teh fatty
liver alone (in the stage she was in) and by that she meant a permanent
feeding tube, 8 months or more of feeding her 6-10 times a day, and fighting
any infection she would get from the feeding tube.but then on top of that
she has cancer..somewhere...and we would have to find and treat that as well..so
ultrasounds, x rays, biopsies...to even see if the cancer is treatableplus
the treatment/surgery IF it wasPLUS the Fatty liver...PLUS the FeLV.and she
probally wouldn't make it anyways...not to mention the tourture of all those
procedures,a nd staying at teh vets office for a least another week...I decided
to bring her home.What made it so much worse is I had to work this
weekend..from 7 30 am until 10 pm both Saturday adn Sunday..so I got to hardley
spend any time with her until today





So thank you whoever sent the number for
Janet the ACI called her adn she spoke with Akira...Akira does NOT want to
go to the vet..nor does she want any help...right now...she wants to go at home
with us around...so so be itShe wants to live every remaining minute of her
life in peace and home...Janet was complelty amazed at how powerful,
beautifull, nad strong Akira's soul was. Which was comforting..but not a
surprise..as many others (amature) have said the same things...Janet says she
has only encountered a few other Angelic Beings in physical forms before...and
Akira is one of them..











So just an update on her..and how things
are going...she is calm, not in pain, and peaceful, and ready to go...she
understands what is happening, and is ready for itPlease pray for her,and
send all the suppportiive energy you can to herIprobally wont be on for a
few days at least...but thank you to everyone who prayed for her, gave m,e info
when I first found her, and was a shoulder to cry on...you are all some
of the best friends Ive ever had the pleasure of knowing





Lisa and
the furbrats
Akira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and Anza










Re: Akira

2005-05-09 Thread TenHouseCats
GLOW that the next stage in her journey be all peaceful, and to heal
your heart---GLOW (whether you call it prayer, or love, or light)
always works just the way it is supposed to; just not always the way
we humans would like it to.

she is blessed to have such a respectful, caring companion as you clearly are...


-- 
MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892



Re: Akira

2005-05-09 Thread Cherie A Gabbert
Lisa,
You are so strong to go through this and so inspiring to me and I am sure others, Akira is very lucky to have found you, I am weeping for your impending loss, but happy and relived that Akira understands and is ready. I am glad you will be with her or at least close when it happens.
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thank you everyone for all your prayers,
Akira is resting peacefully on my bed right now, very calm and sereneshe is dyingwe have decided to let her go on her own

They got the blood results on her back Saturday..but they were incomplete...the CBC was missing...the results were so scewed and far fetched teh tech's at the lab didn't think they were right so they were waiting until Monday (today) to have a Pathologist review them. Akira's vet called them adn asked for the numbers anyways...her white cell count was 400,000! and her lymphocytes (sp) were high tooshe has cancer...so that is what caused her to quit eating...well...her liver values are 16 times normal.and she is hypothyroid (I think that is the one..it is the one cats dont usually get) she is in liver failure(fatty liver ) from not eatingthe vet said that in healthy (non FeLV+) cats the survival rate is 70% with intensive carefor just teh fatty liver alone (in the stage she was in) and by that she meant a permanent feeding tube, 8 months or more of feeding her 6-10 times a day, and fighting any infection she would
 get from the feeding tube.but then on top of that she has cancer..somewhere...and we would have to find and treat that as well..so ultrasounds, x rays, biopsies...to even see if the cancer is treatableplus the treatment/surgery IF it wasPLUS the Fatty liver...PLUS the FeLV.and she probally wouldn't make it anyways...not to mention the tourture of all those procedures,a nd staying at teh vets office for a least another week...I decided to bring her home.What made it so much worse is I had to work this weekend..from 7 30 am until 10 pm both Saturday adn Sunday..so I got to hardley spend any time with her until today
So thank you whoever sent the number for Janet the ACI called her adn she spoke with Akira...Akira does NOT want to go to the vet..nor does she want any help...right now...she wants to go at home with us around...so so be itShe wants to live every remaining minute of her life in peace and home...Janet was complelty amazed at how powerful, beautifull, nad strong Akira's soul was. Which was comforting..but not a surprise..as many others (amature) have said the same things...Janet says she has only encountered a few other Angelic Beings in physical forms before...and Akira is one of them..

So just an update on her..and how things are going...she is calm, not in pain, and peaceful, and ready to go...she understands what is happening, and is ready for itPlease pray for her,and send all the suppportiive energy you can to herIprobally wont be on for a few days at least...but thank you to everyone who prayed for her, gave m,e info when I first found her, and was a shoulder to cry on...you are all some of the best friends Ive ever had the pleasure of knowing
Lisa and the furbratsAkira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and AnzaHave a purrfect day
Cherie


Re: Akira

2005-05-09 Thread PEC2851



Dear Lisa,
My thoughts and prayers are with you and 
Akira.
I believe that allowing her to be at home with you 
at this time is one of the greatest gifts of love and 
unselfishness.
With Love,
Patti


Re: Akira

2005-05-09 Thread Terri Brown




May her passing be comfortable and peaceful. Sending peaceful 
comforting vibes her way.

=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=

Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My 
FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My 
Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 1:55 PM
  Subject: Akira
  
  Thank you everyone for all your prayers,
  Akira is resting peacefully on my bed right now, very calm and 
  sereneshe is dyingwe have decided to let her go on her own
  
  They got the blood results on her back Saturday..but they were 
  incomplete...the CBC was missing...the results were so scewed and far fetched 
  teh tech's at the lab didn't think they were right so they were waiting until 
  Monday (today) to have a Pathologist review them. Akira's vet called 
  them adn asked for the numbers anyways...her white cell count was 
  400,000! and her lymphocytes (sp) were high tooshe has 
  cancer...so that is what caused her to quit eating...well...her liver 
  values are 16 times normal.and she is hypothyroid (I think that is 
  the one..it is the one cats dont usually get) she is in liver 
  failure(fatty liver ) from not eatingthe vet said that in healthy (non 
  FeLV+) cats the survival rate is 70% with intensive carefor just teh fatty 
  liver alone (in the stage she was in) and by that she meant a permanent 
  feeding tube, 8 months or more of feeding her 6-10 times a day, and fighting 
  any infection she would get from the feeding tube.but then on top of that 
  she has cancer..somewhere...and we would have to find and treat that as 
  well..so ultrasounds, x rays, biopsies...to even see if the cancer is 
  treatableplus the treatment/surgery IF it wasPLUS the Fatty 
  liver...PLUS the FeLV.and she 
  probally wouldn't make it anyways...not to mention the tourture of all those 
  procedures,a nd staying at teh vets office for a least another week...I 
  decided to bring her home.What made it so much worse is I had to work this 
  weekend..from 7 30 am until 10 pm both Saturday adn Sunday..so I got to 
  hardley spend any time with her until today
  So thank you whoever sent the number for Janet the ACI called her adn 
  she spoke with Akira...Akira does NOT want to go to the vet..nor does she want 
  any help...right now...she wants to go at home with us around...so so be 
  itShe wants to live every remaining minute of her life in peace and 
  home...Janet was complelty amazed at how powerful, beautifull, nad strong 
  Akira's soul was. Which was comforting..but not a surprise..as many 
  others (amature) have said the same things...Janet says she has only 
  encountered a few other Angelic Beings in physical forms before...and Akira is 
  one of them..
  
  So just an update on her..and how things are going...she is calm, not in 
  pain, and peaceful, and ready to go...she understands what is happening, and 
  is ready for itPlease pray for her,and send all the suppportiive energy 
  you can to herIprobally wont be on for a few days at least...but thank you 
  to everyone who prayed for her, gave m,e info when I first found her, and 
  was a shoulder to cry on...you are all some of the best friends Ive ever 
  had the pleasure of knowing
  Lisa and the 
  furbratsAkira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and 
  Anza


Re: Akira

2005-05-09 Thread tamara stickler
Lisa,

God bless you and Akira and all of your household. May these last few hours, days be a gift and a comfort. 

Be at peace, now, and until you are in each other's arms again. This is afterall really just the begining. 
(((hugs)))Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





May her passing be comfortable and peaceful. Sending peaceful comforting vibes her way.

=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=

Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 1:55 PM
Subject: Akira

Thank you everyone for all your prayers,
Akira is resting peacefully on my bed right now, very calm and sereneshe is dyingwe have decided to let her go on her own

They got the blood results on her back Saturday..but they were incomplete...the CBC was missing...the results were so scewed and far fetched teh tech's at the lab didn't think they were right so they were waiting until Monday (today) to have a Pathologist review them. Akira's vet called them adn asked for the numbers anyways...her white cell count was 400,000! and her lymphocytes (sp) were high tooshe has cancer...so that is what caused her to quit eating...well...her liver values are 16 times normal.and she is hypothyroid (I think that is the one..it is the one cats dont usually get) she is in liver failure(fatty liver ) from not eatingthe vet said that in healthy (non FeLV+) cats the survival rate is 70% with intensive carefor just teh fatty liver alone (in the stage she was in) and by that she meant a permanent feeding tube, 8 months or more of feeding her 6-10 times a day, and fighting any infection she would
 get from the feeding tube.but then on top of that she has cancer..somewhere...and we would have to find and treat that as well..so ultrasounds, x rays, biopsies...to even see if the cancer is treatableplus the treatment/surgery IF it wasPLUS the Fatty liver...PLUS the FeLV.and she probally wouldn't make it anyways...not to mention the tourture of all those procedures,a nd staying at teh vets office for a least another week...I decided to bring her home.What made it so much worse is I had to work this weekend..from 7 30 am until 10 pm both Saturday adn Sunday..so I got to hardley spend any time with her until today
So thank you whoever sent the number for Janet the ACI called her adn she spoke with Akira...Akira does NOT want to go to the vet..nor does she want any help...right now...she wants to go at home with us around...so so be itShe wants to live every remaining minute of her life in peace and home...Janet was complelty amazed at how powerful, beautifull, nad strong Akira's soul was. Which was comforting..but not a surprise..as many others (amature) have said the same things...Janet says she has only encountered a few other Angelic Beings in physical forms before...and Akira is one of them..

So just an update on her..and how things are going...she is calm, not in pain, and peaceful, and ready to go...she understands what is happening, and is ready for itPlease pray for her,and send all the suppportiive energy you can to herIprobally wont be on for a few days at least...but thank you to everyone who prayed for her, gave m,e info when I first found her, and was a shoulder to cry on...you are all some of the best friends Ive ever had the pleasure of knowing
Lisa and the furbratsAkira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and Anza
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Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe

2005-05-09 Thread Terri Brown




Umm, yes -- I've heard lame excuses like this before. Feline Leukemia 
is not transmittable to humans. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever 
heard. They probably just didn't want to deal with the possibility of 
sickness.

Tom is better off with you. I mix mine and the negatives are still 
negative -- all 3 of them. I don’t vaccinate yearly. If they're 
immune, they're immune (imho).

Some may argue this point -- I believe in good food and lots of love. 
The rest is details. They have a better life with me than they'd have on 
the street or in a shelter. And they're pampered. They know I love 
them.

=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=

Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My 
FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My 
Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350

  - Original Message - 
  From: Barbara Baass 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 7:44 AM
  Subject: Re: for Barbara (Baass) re 
  unsubscribe
  
  
  Thanks for the information. Guess I will be 
  on for awhile longer. They brought Tom back in three  a half hours. His 
  wife looked it up on the internet and he said that his sister is taking chemo 
  treatments and is not suppose to be around a leukemia cat, so he didn't want 
  to take the risk.
  Have you ever heard of this? I wonder 
  what site she saw this on? You could tell that Tom sure was glad to be back. I 
  am really disappointed though. It was really a nice home and big yard with 
  lots of trees.
  Barbara 
  BaassBelinda Sauro 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Barbara, this is great news about Tom, I hope you can check on him 
occasionally and hear how he is 
doing.The 
instructions below were for the old list, here is where to go to 
unsubscribe:http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemiaorgInstructions 
are way down at the bottom of the page, good luck and thanks for caring 
enough to find Tom a 
home!!---If 
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Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe

2005-05-09 Thread Barbara Baass
Couldn't help but chuckle at that one. You are right. That is an excellent way to look at it. That is allI would need is for him to get cancer on top of his felv. I wish I would have thought to tell them that and to get him back as fast as they could.
BarbaraTenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
don't you have to wonder which part of FELINE they don't get??using that logic, tom is better off anyway--wouldn't want him catchingcancer from the one on chemo, after all.. (this is my cleaned-upresponse to the original post on his return!)-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe

2005-05-09 Thread Barbara Baass
Yes, they more than likely saw what they might have to go through with the possibility of sickness and decided they didn't want to do that. I explained to them that it wasn't active and may never be and then it may. I told them you never know what anyone is going to die of anyhow.
I guess things happen for a reason. I know Tom gets top quality food here and I noticed they had Iams. I for sure wouldn't want Tom in a shelter either.
What do you do when you go out of town for a couple days? Do you have a sitter come in? I thought I had a lot (5) of them. You really have a lot of them.
BarbaraTerri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Umm, yes -- I've heard lame excuses like this before. Feline Leukemia is not transmittable to humans. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. They probably just didn't want to deal with the possibility of sickness.

Tom is better off with you. I mix mine and the negatives are still negative -- all 3 of them. I don’t vaccinate yearly. If they're immune, they're immune (imho).

Some may argue this point -- I believe in good food and lots of love. The rest is details. They have a better life with me than they'd have on the street or in a shelter. And they're pampered. They know I love them.

=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=

Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350

- Original Message - 
From: Barbara Baass 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe


Thanks for the information. Guess I will be on for awhile longer. They brought Tom back in three  a half hours. His wife looked it up on the internet and he said that his sister is taking chemo treatments and is not suppose to be around a leukemia cat, so he didn't want to take the risk.
Have you ever heard of this? I wonder what site she saw this on? You could tell that Tom sure was glad to be back. I am really disappointed though. It was really a nice home and big yard with lots of trees.
Barbara BaassBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Barbara, this is great news about Tom, I hope you can check on him occasionally and hear how he is doing.The instructions below were for the old list, here is where to go to unsubscribe:http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemiaorgInstructions are way down at the bottom of the page, good luck and thanks for caring enough to find Tom a home!!---If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list,send the following command in email to[EMAIL PROTECTED]: unsubscribeOr you can send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the followingcommand in the body of your email message: unsubscribe felvtalkor from another account, besides [EMAIL PROTECTED]: unsubscribe felvtalk [EMAIL PROTECTED]If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list,(if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about thelist itself) send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .This is the general rule for most mailing
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Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe

2005-05-09 Thread TenHouseCats
the trick is to have friends with nearly as many or more cats than you
yourself have--then you just trade off cat sitting! the other thing,
is find some responsible friend who hates their own living situation,
and let them stay in your house while you're gone.

you may be right that they didn't want to deal with illness, potential
or real--but don't underestimate the very real possibility that they
truly BELIEVE (based, of course, on absolutely nothing) the cat could
pass on the virus (tho when i first moved to the sanctuary and
people asked me if i wasn't afraid of bringing FIV or FeLV to my cats,
my standard answer was that i wasn't at all concerned because i was
neither sleeping with the sanctuary cats, nor coming home and
inflicting deep penetrating bites to my cats somewhat mixed
science, but people got the idea)
-- 
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Re: False Positive

2005-05-09 Thread catatonya
We have been on this list a long time It's still the best too.

tBONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tonya,Yes, this was back in '97. They all had French names, but were all three years old. Little Henry Lee, who I found by a dumpster in Mississippi, was the positive one, and a kitten. None of the others were vaccinated and Henry proved to be a false negative, which is said to be a rare occurrence. I had called my vet from the road and said I wanted him tested as soon as possible. I isolated him in the bathroom and rushed him off for a test the same afternoon I got home with him. I was so happy when he first tested negative. A year later he had a dental and began to go downhill. That's when they found he had the virus in his bone marrow and was positive all along. I think at the time, the vaccinations were said to do more harm than good if one had indoor cats whose chances of exposure were rare - or maybe that was my vet's
 advice. As soon as Henry was found to be positive, all of the others were vaccinated with no harmful effects, even my tiny Sylvie who was born with hypernatremia.I left that clinic because they weren't very good, to put it mildly. Later I heard that a lot of other clients also left as well as the most of the staff. Then the owner became very ill and had to be hospitalized - maybe stress contributed to it.I don't have any positives any more, but since this list is so helpful, and FELV kitties do tend to be more susceptible to other illnesses, I've stayed on to learn things and share what I know.Litte orange Henry Lee was so cute. If I had another kitty in my lap, Henry would climb in right on top of him or her and curl up to sleep. The kitty on the bottom would sort of slide out from underneath and wake up looking like "what happened?"Bonnie with seven kitties and two
 pupswww.elephants.com- Original Message -From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Sunday, May 8, 2005 2:30 pmSubject: Re: False Positive Bonnie,  I remember when all of this happened. : ( I don't remember  though if they had all been vaccinated? Also, weren't they  kittens? I am remembering they were born in a closet and all had  French names? It's been a while, and my memory's not what it used  to be!  tonya  BONNIE J KALMBACH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Dawn, Here is some anecdotal evidence: my kitty, Claudette and my other  kitties were exposed to a positive kitty, my little Henry Lee,  whose  virus had activated. I had them all tested and Claudette was one  of  those exposed to Henry who became positive. I lost all of my  positive  kitties, but Claudette. She "threw
 off" the virus, and has tested  negative ever since.  Bonnie- Original Message - From: Dawn Ritzke  Date: Friday, May 6, 2005 2:51 pm Subject: False Positive   About 3 weeks ago my 10 month old kitty, Smeagol, died from  feline   leukemia.   I was unaware he even had leukemia. The vet never checked him   for   leukemia. At that time I had my other kitten, Moxie retested.   She was   tested at birth and was negative. Three weeks ago she came back   positive.   I recently had her retested again and this time she came back   negative. I   am going to have her tested again in one month. She is very   healthy. I   understand the chance of a false positive is about 3%. I am not   very   familar with feline
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Re: Akira

2005-05-09 Thread catatonya
Lisa,

I'm so sorry to hear your news. This is when I hate this disease the most. When it just sneaks up on you and is out of control before you have any idea what's happened! Akira is already an Angel. She brought you to our group, and led you to be a voice for cats with leukemia.

I'm sending prayers for the two of you to enjoy the time you have together, and that Akira will have a peaceful passing when she's ready.

tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thank you everyone for all your prayers,
Akira is resting peacefully on my bed right now, very calm and sereneshe is dyingwe have decided to let her go on her own

They got the blood results on her back Saturday..but they were incomplete...the CBC was missing...the results were so scewed and far fetched teh tech's at the lab didn't think they were right so they were waiting until Monday (today) to have a Pathologist review them. Akira's vet called them adn asked for the numbers anyways...her white cell count was 400,000! and her lymphocytes (sp) were high tooshe has cancer...so that is what caused her to quit eating...well...her liver values are 16 times normal.and she is hypothyroid (I think that is the one..it is the one cats dont usually get) she is in liver failure(fatty liver ) from not eatingthe vet said that in healthy (non FeLV+) cats the survival rate is 70% with intensive carefor just teh fatty liver alone (in the stage she was in) and by that she meant a permanent feeding tube, 8 months or more of feeding her 6-10 times a day, and fighting any infection she would
 get from the feeding tube.but then on top of that she has cancer..somewhere...and we would have to find and treat that as well..so ultrasounds, x rays, biopsies...to even see if the cancer is treatableplus the treatment/surgery IF it wasPLUS the Fatty liver...PLUS the FeLV.and she probally wouldn't make it anyways...not to mention the tourture of all those procedures,a nd staying at teh vets office for a least another week...I decided to bring her home.What made it so much worse is I had to work this weekend..from 7 30 am until 10 pm both Saturday adn Sunday..so I got to hardley spend any time with her until today
So thank you whoever sent the number for Janet the ACI called her adn she spoke with Akira...Akira does NOT want to go to the vet..nor does she want any help...right now...she wants to go at home with us around...so so be itShe wants to live every remaining minute of her life in peace and home...Janet was complelty amazed at how powerful, beautifull, nad strong Akira's soul was. Which was comforting..but not a surprise..as many others (amature) have said the same things...Janet says she has only encountered a few other Angelic Beings in physical forms before...and Akira is one of them..

So just an update on her..and how things are going...she is calm, not in pain, and peaceful, and ready to go...she understands what is happening, and is ready for itPlease pray for her,and send all the suppportiive energy you can to herIprobally wont be on for a few days at least...but thank you to everyone who prayed for her, gave m,e info when I first found her, and was a shoulder to cry on...you are all some of the best friends Ive ever had the pleasure of knowing
Lisa and the furbratsAkira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and Anza

RE: False Positive

2005-05-09 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto








Hi, Bonnie,

How was Henry Lee when you first found
him? He was three years old when you first found him? Did he look very
healthy? 

And how old was the kitten? And how old
was the kitten when you first found him? 



I just trapped a boy kitty who was tested
negative on all the virus and his blood work came back just as perfect 
but I think he might be Gingers brother, who was tested positive on FeLV
 because of what did happened to Little Henry Lee, and someone else I
knew  I did not know how careful I had to be integrating this cute boy
(I think, I am going to name him, Stanly) to the feLV negative group in my
house  I know what happened to Little Henry was very rare  but still
it does happen  since I have so many cats in the house, I really have to
be careful who to add and who not to  I also hear that testing bone
marrow is pretty invasive on a kitty, and I did not want to do that this little
Stanly  but every time I hear the story like little Henry Lee, it makes
me think twice about introducing someone new to the group since I dont
vaccinate any of my other kitties.











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of catatonya
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 5:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: False Positive







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t

BONNIE J KALMBACH
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Tonya,
Yes, this was back in '97. They all had French names, but were all 
three years old. Little Henry Lee, who I found by a dumpster in 
Mississippi,
was the positive one, and a kitten. None of the others 
were vaccinated and Henry proved to be a false negative, which is said 
to be a rare occurrence. I had called my vet from the road and said I 
wanted him tested as soon as possible. I isolated him in the bathroom 
and rushed him off for a test the same afternoon I got home with him. 
I was so happy when he first tested negative. A year later he had a 
dental and began to go downhill. That's when they found he had the 
virus in his bone marrow and was positive all along. 


I think at the time, the vaccinations were said to do more harm than 
good if one had indoor cats whose chances of exposure were rare - or 
maybe that was my vet's advice. As soon as Henry was found to be 
positive, all of the others were vaccinated with no harmful effects, 
even my tiny Sylvie who was born with hypernatremia.

I left that clinic because they weren't very good, to put it mildly. 
Later I heard that a lot of other clients also left as well as the 
most of the staff. Then the owner became very ill and had to be 
hospitalized - maybe stress contributed to it.

I don't have any positives any more, but since this list is so 
helpful, and FELV kitties do tend to be more susceptible to other 
illnesses, I've stayed on to learn things and share what I know.

Litte orange Henry Lee was so cute. If I had another kitty in my lap, 
Henry would climb in right on top of him or her and curl up to sleep. 
The kitty on the bottom would sort of slide out from underneath and 
wake up looking like what happened?

Bonnie with seven kitties and two pups


www.elephants.com

- Original Message -
From: catatonya 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Sunday, May 8, 2005 2:30 pm
Subject: Re: False Positive

 Bonnie,
 
 I remember when all of this happened. : ( I don't remember 
 though if they had all been vaccinated? Also, weren't they 
 kittens? I am remembering they were born in a closet and all had 
 French names? It's been a while, and my memory's not what it used 
 to be!
 
 tonya
 
 BONNIE J KALMBACH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
 Dawn,
 Here is some anecdotal evidence: my kitty, Claudette and my other 
 kitties were exposed to a positive kitty, my little Henry Lee, 
 whose 
 virus had activated. I had them all tested and Claudette was one 
 of 
 those exposed to Henry who became positive. I lost all of my 
 positive 
 kitties, but Claudette. She threw off the virus, and has
tested 
 negative ever since.
 
 Bonnie
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Dawn Ritzke 
 Date: Friday, May 6, 2005 2:51 pm
 Subject: False Positive
 
  About 3 weeks ago my 10 month old kitty, Smeagol, died from 
 feline 
  leukemia. 
  I was unaware he even had leukemia. The vet never checked him 
  for 
  leukemia. At that time I had my other kitten, Moxie retested. 
  She was 
  tested at birth and was negative. Three weeks ago she came back 
  positive. 
  I recently had her retested again and this time she came back 
  negative. I 
  am going to have her tested again in one month. She is very 
  healthy. I 
  understand the chance of a false positive is about 3%. I am not 
  very 
  familar with feline leukemia. Does anyone have any advice or 
  suggestions.
  _
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CLS - Monday May 9, 2005

2005-05-09 Thread Belinda Sauro
  Hi All,
 Here is this weeks Candle Light Service and prayers for the fukids and 
their families that are struggling now with illness.  Prayers for peace, 
strength and light to meet whatever life has in store for them.

FeLV Candle Light Service
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OT: Cat's Life Death - Let's make it count!!

2005-05-09 Thread Belinda Sauro




 Hi All, 
 Here is an award handed out by a local judge in Seattle, even
if you don't live here please vote. There's a poll on the page -- take
a sec and vote so it's clear to readers that plenty of us think that a
cat's life is worth at least this much.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002268301_yofi09m.html
-- 
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Happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties ...
http://www.bemikitties.com

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Re: Cat's Life Death - Let's make it count!!

2005-05-09 Thread Barbara Lowe



i voted! 42% thought it was too high. we need to 
show those idiots!
and don't you just love the dog owner's 
comment--dogs and cats are natural enemies...
meanwhile my dog frasier has Puff Daddy sleeping 
against his back and Princess who got tired of waiting for me to go to bed is 
sleeping on top of his head instead of mine. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Belinda 
  Sauro 
  To: FeLV Talk List [New] 
  Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 10:06 PM
  Subject: OT: Cat's Life  Death - 
  Let's make it count!!
   Hi All,  Here is an award 
  handed out by a local judge in Seattle, even if you don't live here please 
  vote. There's a poll on the page -- take a sec and vote so it's clear to 
  readers that plenty of us think that a cat's life is worth at least this 
  much.http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002268301_yofi09m.html 
-- 
 Belinda
Happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties ...
http://www.bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com

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Advice for a Newbie Appreciated

2005-05-09 Thread Jennifer Korin
Hi!

I hope it's okay to just jump in here.  I found this mailing list
while searching for information about FeLV.  About three weeks ago, I
adopted a 6 month old kitten who was tested FeLV negative by the
rescue I got her from.  Tessa started sneezing a lot after I got her,
and I took her to the vet to be checked out.  During the course of the
visit, they did another FeLV test (because they have a combo of that
with FIV, and the shelter hadn't tested for FIV) and she was positive.
(We're talking tests a literal week apart - the shelter had her tested
when she was spayed the weekend before I got her.)

Anyway, we had just lost a beloved cat to a sudden stomach hernia, and
Tessa had already slid right into the empty hollow in my heart (and at
my feet), so there was no question of sending her back to the rescue. 
But, we have an older cat (about 3 years old) who is attached at the
hip to my eight year old.  They love each other to distraction.  When
we found out that Tessa was infected, we rushed Midnight, the older
cat right in to the vet (although she had only been exposed to Tessa
for four days).  Midnight, thankfully, was still negative.  We've
scheduled her to be vaccinated (she was running a temp at the last
appointment and we couldn't get it done then).

Here's my concern.  At the moment, Tessa is isolated in our bedroom. 
She's on about 4 different drugs to rid her of an upper repiratory
infection and a yeast infection in her ears.  The vet is also talking
about starting her on Interferon.  But, she is a very social kitty. 
She wants to be where I am, and is constantly trying to escape the
bedroom.  Meanwhile, Midnight is used to having the run of the house,
and though my daughter's room is her natural habitat, the closed
door is irritating her, since we never close doors.  So she keeps
trying to get in.  We're just dealing with it until Midnight is
vaccinated, but it's hard to imagine keeping them totally isolated for
however long Tessa is with us.  Do you have any advice about + and -
cats together?  Will the vaccine and Midnight's adult age protect her
sufficiently? Or should I keep tossing them back in their own areas
every time I open the door?  Will Tessa have a crummy life living in
just one room?

Also, does anyone know how a cat could test negative one week and then
positive on both the vet and lab (IFA) tests a week later? Isn't IFA
an indicator of a later stage of infection?

Is there anything important I should know right away to help Tessa
live as long as possible?

She is adorable, by the way - soft and gray, yellow eyes, ridiculously
long tail.  She loves on me and my husband, purrs louder than any cat
I've heard, loves to play with anything dangling and attack my feet in
bed, will sit on my arm or lap for hours to be petted and is basically
the most perfect cat ever. (Since my Dot passed on, anyway!)

Phew.  Sorry for the long message, I just have so many questions!!!

By the way, I'm Jenn, but I'm used to having lots of Jenns on mailing
lists, so you can call me Jenn K if that helps.

Jenn K



Re: Akira

2005-05-09 Thread felv



Peace to Akira, and my deepest sympathy for you as you help 
her find her way past this life.
In Sympathy,
Jenn
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Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe

2005-05-09 Thread felv



I just had to add my 2 cents in on this interesting topic. If 
I'm only going to be goneone day, I fill the gravity feeder so they will 
have plenty, and put about 5 big mixing bowls of water throughout the house, 
plus leave the faucet running a bit in the bathroom sink, so they will have 
enough water. Any longer than two days, and I would have to have them boarded at 
the vet's office I think. (but I only have 4 cats, not a houseful!)

I don't think I could ever trust anyone to be careful enough 
about not letting them sneak out the door when they came in to allow a 
pet-sitter. I used to be so bad (paranoid) that I would leave work on my lunch 
break to come home to check the cats every day, even though that meant I did not 
have any time to eat, but now I can work a full day and only worry occasionally. 
I've finally begun to trust my long-term mate enough that I don't usher him in 
and out and scream "HURRY UP, SHUT THE DOOR!!!" at him every time he comes in or 
out, and we've been together for over 5 years now. I have not gone on an 
overnight trip or longer vacation in years, because I worry too much about the 
cats, but I have a week vacation planned for late this summer/ early fall, so 
I'm going to board them at the vet's. That's a BIG step for 
me!
Jenn

~~~What do you do when you go out of town for a couple days? 

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Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe

2005-05-09 Thread TenHouseCats
that's why you find sitters you know WELL, and who are as paranoid
about their pets (whom they go home to visit, of course) as you are!

the other option is to just get an rv and take the cats WITH you

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Re: Advice for a Newbie Appreciated

2005-05-09 Thread felv



Hi Jenn K! (I told everyone they could call me 
UCATJenn)

I would not worry about mixing this kitten with your cat 
because of her FELV+ status, however, I WOULD keep them separate until the 
kitten's Upper Respiratory Infectionclears up, because those are VERY 
contagious. The chances of a healthy non-immune suppressed adult cat contracting 
FELV from another cat is less than 1%, in fact, it's never been proven to be 
possible at all. All of the known cases of FELV transmission have occurred in 
kittens under a year of age, or cats with immune suppression, such as FIV+ cats 
who are then exposed to FELV. Still, just to be extra safe, and for peace of 
mind, I would go ahead and give your older cat the vaccine before allowing them 
to mix, that way you can be sure the immunity exists.

As far as helping Tessa live as healthy of a life as possible, 
the other members of this list are great with helping create treatment plans, 
and will probably know all the dosages better than me, but if you want to just 
look things up yourself, I have quite a few links about FELV and it's treatments 
on my webpage at http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 


Good luck with her, and I think it's great that you did not 
decide to turn your back on her as soon as you discovered her status. Oh, and 
about her status, do re-do the FELV tests every 2 months until she is over a 
year old. She may fight it off and end up being negative eventually (It 
happens). She very likely may have become exposed to FELV at the shelter, and 
she might now be in the active phase where her body is fighting it off as we 
speak. Not all kittens exposed become carriers, some do manage to fight the 
virus off on their own if given a chance. Try adding a bit of vitamin C to her 
diet (maybe add a general multi-vitamin/mineral supplement too if you're not 
feeding a super-premium food), that may help boost the immune system now, when 
she really needs it.
Jenn

~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
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Innova EVO, anyone else made the switch yet? (OT)

2005-05-09 Thread felv



I have just completed the switch-over to the new Innova EVO 
cat food, and I think they really are going to do great on it. Maybe it's all in 
my head, but I THINK the bald food-allergy cat is already growing back some 
HAIR! Has anyone else switched their cats' food over to the EVO yet? And if so, 
have you noticed anything amazing yet? Just curious because I THINK it was on 
THIS list where I first heard about it a couple of weeks ago now. I'm just glad 
it's still under $40 for a 15 pound bag, I think it came to $36.50 here! Time 
will tell if it's worth it or not, but I REALLY think Mythic is scratching less 
and looks a bit "furrier" than he did 3 weeks ago.
Jenn

~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
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RE: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe

2005-05-09 Thread Chris








Boy! I bet he was glad to be home!





Chris

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-Original Message-
From:
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On Behalf Of Barbara Baass
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 12:29
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: for Barbara (Baass)
re unsubscribe







IYes, it is amazing. that is the most lame excuse I ever
heard. I made sure that I told them to bring Tom back to me if it didn't work
out and that I would call and check on him in a couple days and drop by to see
him once in awhile.He was a little stressed when he came back. He was
really hungry and thirsty. I felt bad about that. The people came in the yard
and i told them to open the carrier, he will go in the house. They opened it and
Tom couldn't get in the house fast enough.





Barbara

Chris
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You knowthe reason
they brought him back really doesnt matterpeople come up with all
sorts of crazy reasons. The good news is that they brought him back to
yousometimes people dont want to face the music
 just bring the animal to the local shelter.





Chris

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re unsubscribe







Thanks for the information. Guess I will be on for awhile
longer. They brought Tom back in three  a half hours. His wife looked it
up on the internet and he said that his sister is taking chemo treatments and
is not suppose to be around a leukemia cat, so he didn't want to take the risk.





Have you ever heard of this? I wonder what site she saw
this on? You could tell that Tom sure was glad to be back. I am really
disappointed though. It was really a nice home and big yard with lots of trees.





Barbara Baass

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RE: Cat's Life Death - Let's make it count!!

2005-05-09 Thread Chris









Done.





Chris

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Death - Let's make it count!!




Hi All, 

Here is an award handed out by a local judge in Seattle, even if you don't live
here please vote. There's a poll on the page -- take a sec and vote so
it's clear to readers that plenty of us think that a cat's life is worth at
least this much.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002268301_yofi09m.html


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RE: Advice for a Newbie Appreciated

2005-05-09 Thread Chris
My Tucson tested neg as a kitten  positive 5 years later  Vet says she
had it all along  she was retested almost as a fluke by my former vet ( a
very sharp man!) when I brought her in because she just didn't seem well.
Well, she's been around my other 3 cats for all her life  they were never
vaccinated. They were all neg  I vaccinate them every year  mix everybody
including Big Boy, the adult stray I brought in.  I think that the pos are
probably more at risk of catching something from the other cats then they
are of catching FELV from them  I have to add though, that all my cats
are now adults though two of them came in as stray kittens after I got
Tucson so they were exposed to her from a very young age

Chris
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Subject: Advice for a Newbie Appreciated

Hi!

I hope it's okay to just jump in here.  I found this mailing list
while searching for information about FeLV.  About three weeks ago, I
adopted a 6 month old kitten who was tested FeLV negative by the
rescue I got her from.  Tessa started sneezing a lot after I got her,
and I took her to the vet to be checked out.  During the course of the
visit, they did another FeLV test (because they have a combo of that
with FIV, and the shelter hadn't tested for FIV) and she was positive.
(We're talking tests a literal week apart - the shelter had her tested
when she was spayed the weekend before I got her.)

Anyway, we had just lost a beloved cat to a sudden stomach hernia, and
Tessa had already slid right into the empty hollow in my heart (and at
my feet), so there was no question of sending her back to the rescue. 
But, we have an older cat (about 3 years old) who is attached at the
hip to my eight year old.  They love each other to distraction.  When
we found out that Tessa was infected, we rushed Midnight, the older
cat right in to the vet (although she had only been exposed to Tessa
for four days).  Midnight, thankfully, was still negative.  We've
scheduled her to be vaccinated (she was running a temp at the last
appointment and we couldn't get it done then).

Here's my concern.  At the moment, Tessa is isolated in our bedroom. 
She's on about 4 different drugs to rid her of an upper repiratory
infection and a yeast infection in her ears.  The vet is also talking
about starting her on Interferon.  But, she is a very social kitty. 
She wants to be where I am, and is constantly trying to escape the
bedroom.  Meanwhile, Midnight is used to having the run of the house,
and though my daughter's room is her natural habitat, the closed
door is irritating her, since we never close doors.  So she keeps
trying to get in.  We're just dealing with it until Midnight is
vaccinated, but it's hard to imagine keeping them totally isolated for
however long Tessa is with us.  Do you have any advice about + and -
cats together?  Will the vaccine and Midnight's adult age protect her
sufficiently? Or should I keep tossing them back in their own areas
every time I open the door?  Will Tessa have a crummy life living in
just one room?

Also, does anyone know how a cat could test negative one week and then
positive on both the vet and lab (IFA) tests a week later? Isn't IFA
an indicator of a later stage of infection?

Is there anything important I should know right away to help Tessa
live as long as possible?

She is adorable, by the way - soft and gray, yellow eyes, ridiculously
long tail.  She loves on me and my husband, purrs louder than any cat
I've heard, loves to play with anything dangling and attack my feet in
bed, will sit on my arm or lap for hours to be petted and is basically
the most perfect cat ever. (Since my Dot passed on, anyway!)

Phew.  Sorry for the long message, I just have so many questions!!!

By the way, I'm Jenn, but I'm used to having lots of Jenns on mailing
lists, so you can call me Jenn K if that helps.

Jenn K






RE: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe

2005-05-09 Thread Chris








I live in an apt house  made
arrangements with my supers son to come in twice a day to feed, water,
 clean out the boxes. Hes been doing this for me since he was
13  the advantage is that he doesnt have to travel, I know his
parents make sure he comes up, and if anything is wrong in the apt., his father
would be right there. He  his parents have my cell phone number
 I call every few days. He also has the name/phone of a friend who
came to check in every few days  would handle any medical
emergencies. 





Chris

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Yes, they more
than likely saw what they might have to go through with the possibility of
sickness and decided they didn't want to do that. I explained to them that it
wasn't active and may never be and then it may. I told them you never know what
anyone is going to die of anyhow.





I guess things
happen for a reason. I know Tom gets top quality food here and I noticed they
had Iams. I for sure wouldn't want Tom in a shelter either.





What do you do
when you go out of town for a couple days? Do you have a sitter come in? I
thought I had a lot (5) of them. You really have a lot of them.





Barbara

Terri Brown
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Umm, yes -- I've heard lame excuses like this
before. Feline Leukemia is not transmittable to humans. That's the
most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. They probably just didn't want to
deal with the possibility of sickness.











Tom is better off with you. I mix mine and the
negatives are still negative -- all 3 of them. I dont vaccinate
yearly. If they're immune, they're immune (imho).











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and lots of love. The rest is details. They have a better life with
me than they'd have on the street or in a shelter. And they're
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Thanks for the information. Guess I will be on for awhile
longer. They brought Tom back in three  a half hours. His wife looked it
up on the internet and he said that his sister is taking chemo treatments and
is not suppose to be around a leukemia cat, so he didn't want to take the risk.





Have you ever heard of this? I wonder what site she saw
this on? You could tell that Tom sure was glad to be back. I am really
disappointed though. It was really a nice home and big yard with lots of trees.





Barbara Baass

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Re: OT: Cat's Life Death - Let's make it count!!

2005-05-09 Thread Nina
Of course I went and voted.  Then I pulled in my IBD list emails and 
there it was again!  Don't ya just love animal people!
Nina

Belinda Sauro wrote:
   Hi All,
   Here is an award handed out by a local judge in Seattle, even if 
you don't live here please vote.  There's a poll on the page -- take a 
sec and vote so it's clear to readers that plenty of us think that a 
cat's life is worth at least this much.

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Re: Advice for a Newbie Appreciated

2005-05-09 Thread Nina
Hi JennK, and welcome.  I'm glad you found us.  The people on this list 
are as special as their cats, I don't know what I'd do without them.

Tessa sounds like a darling.  I know it's tough to keep them separated, 
but Jenn, (our other Jenn!), is right, there's no sense in letting them 
pass that URI back and forth.  Besides if you wait until Midnight has 
been vaccinated, (there's a waiting period after that as well, I seem to 
remember 2 weeks, but you could ask your vet), you'll feel better about 
making sure you've taken the necessary precautions.  We've had the 
mixing discussion many times.  Vets usually recommend keeping them 
separate, which from their standpoint makes sense.  Less interaction 
means less chance of transmission.  Personally, I could no sooner 
restrict any of my cats access to the house than I could a human member 
of the family.  From all I've read and heard, the chance of a healthy, 
immunized, adult cat becoming infected is very small.  It's not a very 
hardy virus, someone once described it as when it dries, it dies.  I 
didn't discover that a litter of bottle babies I rescued were + till 
they were about Tessa's age.  By then they had been living mixed in my 
household long enough to transmit the disease to anyone anyway.  My + is 
now over a 1 1/2 yrs and none of my negs has turned up pos. 

I'm not quite clear on what the seclusion arrangements are at your 
house.  Does Midnight have the run of the house, except your daughter's 
room, or is she sequestered in another room as well?  If your daughter 
belongs to Midnight, I would probably bring Tess into your room 
instead.  It might help to install a screen door in the bedroom where 
you have Tess confined.  That way she won't feel so isolated and 
Midnight can see what's going on.  You could also use a kid gate 
positioned so that you can still close the door.  That way you have a 
fraction of a second longer to catch the fleeing cat when you open the door!

Why was Midnight running a temp when you took her to be tested and 
vaccinated?  What was her temp?  Does she have any other symptoms of 
illness?

Vita C is good to add as an immune booster.  I also add L-Lysine, 
occasionally Co-Q10, and if someone isn't feeling well, I'll add 
Transfer Factor to their food.  The interferon that your vet is talking 
about, (sounds like a good vet by the way!), is Interferon A, or human 
interferon.  There is also something called Feline Interferon Omega, 
that a couple of us on the list have tried.  More about that later, if 
you're interested.

I'm sorry about your recent loss, I know it never gets easier to say 
goodbye.  Congratulations on your new addition, though!  I'll say a 
prayer that Tessa has a speedy recovery from her URI.  It sounds like 
she chose well, when she chose you.
Nina

Jennifer Korin wrote:
Hi!
I hope it's okay to just jump in here.  I found this mailing list
while searching for information about FeLV.  About three weeks ago, I
adopted a 6 month old kitten who was tested FeLV negative by the
rescue I got her from.  Tessa started sneezing a lot after I got her,
and I took her to the vet to be checked out.  During the course of the
visit, they did another FeLV test (because they have a combo of that
with FIV, and the shelter hadn't tested for FIV) and she was positive.
(We're talking tests a literal week apart - the shelter had her tested
when she was spayed the weekend before I got her.)
Anyway, we had just lost a beloved cat to a sudden stomach hernia, and
Tessa had already slid right into the empty hollow in my heart (and at
my feet), so there was no question of sending her back to the rescue. 
But, we have an older cat (about 3 years old) who is attached at the
hip to my eight year old.  They love each other to distraction.  When
we found out that Tessa was infected, we rushed Midnight, the older
cat right in to the vet (although she had only been exposed to Tessa
for four days).  Midnight, thankfully, was still negative.  We've
scheduled her to be vaccinated (she was running a temp at the last
appointment and we couldn't get it done then).

Here's my concern.  At the moment, Tessa is isolated in our bedroom. 
She's on about 4 different drugs to rid her of an upper repiratory
infection and a yeast infection in her ears.  The vet is also talking
about starting her on Interferon.  But, she is a very social kitty. 
She wants to be where I am, and is constantly trying to escape the
bedroom.  Meanwhile, Midnight is used to having the run of the house,
and though my daughter's room is her natural habitat, the closed
door is irritating her, since we never close doors.  So she keeps
trying to get in.  We're just dealing with it until Midnight is
vaccinated, but it's hard to imagine keeping them totally isolated for
however long Tessa is with us.  Do you have any advice about + and -
cats together?  Will the vaccine and Midnight's adult age protect her
sufficiently? Or should I keep tossing them back in their own 

Re: RE: False Positive

2005-05-09 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH
Hideyo,
  Henry was the kitten; he was only about five months old when I found 
him. My other kitties were all three and four years old and one was 
12. One three year old, Phillipe a beautiful goofy silver tabby and my 
golden Angora, Katyushka, the twelve year old, were infected by little 
Henry. I lost Henry first and the other two within two years.

Bonnie

 www.elephants.com

- Original Message -
From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, May 9, 2005 6:22 pm
Subject: RE: False Positive

 Hi, Bonnie,
 
 How was Henry Lee when you first found him?  He was three years 
 old when
 you first found him?  Did he look very healthy?  
 
 And how old was the kitten? And how old was the kitten when you first
 found him? 
 
 
 
 I just trapped a boy kitty who was tested negative on all the 
 virus and
 his blood work came back just as perfect - but I think he might be
 Ginger's brother, who was tested positive on FeLV - because of 
 what did
 happened to Little Henry Lee, and someone else I knew - I did not 
know
 how careful I had to be integrating this cute boy (I think, I am 
going
 to name him, Stanly) to the feLV negative group in my house - I know
 what happened to Little Henry was very rare - but still it does 
 happen -
 since I have so many cats in the house, I really have to be 
 careful who
 to add and who not to - I also hear that testing bone marrow is 
pretty
 invasive on a kitty, and I did not want to do that this little 
 Stanly -
 but every time I hear the story like little Henry Lee, it makes me 
 thinktwice about introducing someone new to the group since I 
 don't vaccinate
 any of my other kitties.
 
 
 
  _  
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya
 Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 5:06 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: False Positive
 
 
 
 We have been on this list a long time  It's still the best 
 too.
 
 
 t
 
 BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Tonya,
   Yes, this was back in '97. They all had French names, but were
 all 
   three years old. Little Henry Lee, who I found by a dumpster 
in 
   Mississippi, was the positive one, and a kitten. None of the
 others 
   were vaccinated and Henry proved to be a false negative, which
 is said 
   to be a rare occurrence. I had called my vet from the road and
 said I 
   wanted him tested as soon as possible. I isolated him in the
 bathroom 
   and rushed him off for a test the same afternoon I got home 
with
 him. 
   I was so happy when he first tested negative. A year later he
 had a 
   dental and began to go downhill. That's when they found he had
 the 
   virus in his bone marrow and was positive all along. 
   
   
   I think at the time, the vaccinations were said to do more harm
 than 
   good if one had indoor cats whose chances of exposure were rare
 - or 
   maybe that was my vet's advice. As soon as Henry was found to 
be
 
   positive, all of the others were vaccinated with no harmful
 effects, 
   even my tiny Sylvie who was born with hypernatremia.
   
   I left that clinic because they weren't very good, to put it
 mildly. 
   Later I heard that a lot of other clients also left as well as
 the 
   most of the staff. Then the owner became very ill and had to 
be 
   hospitalized - maybe stress contributed to it.
   
   I don't have any positives any more, but since this list is so 
   helpful, and FELV kitties do tend to be more susceptible to
 other 
   illnesses, I've stayed on to learn things and share what I 
know.
   
   Litte orange Henry Lee was so cute. If I had another kitty in 
my
 lap, 
   Henry would climb in right on top of him or her and curl up to
 sleep. 
   The kitty on the bottom would sort of slide out from underneath
 and 
   wake up looking like what happened?
   
   Bonnie with seven kitties and two pups
   
   
   www.elephants.com
   
   - Original Message -
   From: catatonya 
   Date: Sunday, May 8, 2005 2:30 pm
   Subject: Re: False Positive
   
Bonnie,

I remember when all of this happened. : ( I don't remember 
though if they had all been vaccinated? Also, weren't they 
kittens? I am remembering they were born in a closet and all
 had 
French names? It's been a while, and my memory's not what it
 used 
to be!

tonya

BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote:
Dawn,
Here is some anecdotal evidence: my kitty, Claudette and my
 other 
kitties were exposed to a positive kitty, my little Henry 
Lee,
 
whose 
virus had activated. I had them all tested and Claudette was
 one 
of 
those exposed to Henry who became positive. I lost all of my 
positive 
kitties, but Claudette. She threw off the virus,