OT: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True]

2005-06-09 Thread Belinda Sauro
This is an email I just got from someone writing to another rescue group. If this is true it's very bad, haven't some of you taken (FeLV positive) animals to this rescue or know people that have? At this point these are just alliegations, but if these pictures were really taken there it

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True]

2005-06-09 Thread felv
When I was doing a search for FELV/FIV friendly rescues to add to my website, I actually emailed Angel Wings, because someone on another list told me it was a good one. The lady told me that because her cats run the entire property and are not segregated, she does NOT accept FELV or FIV

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True]

2005-06-09 Thread Gloria B. Lane
Wow, I went out to the web site, and apparently they've had quite a thing going there - I had it on our Humane Society links page, but am taking it off. That's sad. Gloria At 09:59 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote: When I was doing a search for FELV/FIV friendly rescues to add to my website, I

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True]

2005-06-09 Thread Belinda Sauro
Jenn, I have in the past posted their address to people inquirering, but I always tell people to take the cat there and ask to see the place, if they aren't allowed to, BIG RED FLAGS!! -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post

Re: OT: US military killing dogs in Iraq

2005-06-09 Thread Cherie A Gabbert
I am sick and weeping for those dogs.BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://usmilitarykillsdogs.allsupportgroup.info/www.elephants.comHave a purrfect day Cherie

Re: US military killing dogs in Iraq

2005-06-09 Thread Belinda Sauro
This is precisely why I don't support big groups like this, they are in it, in my opinion more for the money and publicity, sure they still help SOME animals but with as much money as these big groups take in, they could do a WHOLE LOT MORE. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ...

Fwd: Question about feral with FeLV

2005-06-09 Thread Gloria B. Lane
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:20:30 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Question about feral with FeLV Well, in my opinion, you have a wonderful set up there and certainly did the right thing for the ferals. I don't know about the eating - have they

Angel Wings Sanctuary

2005-06-09 Thread lomaxturtle
I am not going to read about them as I will get too disturbed but what a horrendous thing to find out. You assume that animals at least get safety when they are placed in a sanctuary from past neglet and abuse - to think that they are just being prisoned to be abused again makes my heart bleed so

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True]

2005-06-09 Thread PEC2851
I AM so horrified! I would never place a cat without pre-screening! I am pro-life, but in this case humane euthanasia would have been much more "humane". I did take my old boy Felix, to Angel's Gate, Long Island. NY. I met Susan Victor did visit the sanctuary beforehand. It was a most

Re: Angel Wings Sanctuary

2005-06-09 Thread PEC2851
And the SAD truth is, there are many more, so called sanctuaries like this... Just allhaven't been given the publicity or been "discovered". And sometimes the whole legal system, regarding penalties and such, is a JOKE! (Not Funny!) What a sad world we live in. I sit here, in tears. I

RE: Hideyo - how is Corky?

2005-06-09 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Thank you for asking, Nina. She is doing much better - I had to fight with the vet at the emergency clinic to get her back though. It was very frustrating, because she was no longer bleeding or vomiting and they told me that I could take her back after 12 hrs if she was no longer showing any

RE: Fwd: Question about feral with FeLV

2005-06-09 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Gloria, she probably does not get our messages from this posting right since you forwarded her message to us - could you forward it to her? I will also try to post it on her list group as well if it will let me - Here's my message to this person - I had a similar situation with Ginger (who was a

RE: Question about feral with FeLV

2005-06-09 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Hi, and thank you, thank you, thank you for being such an angel and taking such good care of the feral kittiesit's also wonderful that they're a bonded pair. You are absolutely right to keep them together (and the neg girl will probably remain negative in any case). Three of my four-strong

RE: Hideyo - how is Corky?

2005-06-09 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
When I talked to Jasmine (AC), about being an indoor kitty - he said to her that he would like that very much - and I think he likes to be an indoor kitty (he doesn't seem to want to get out or anything) - but he might be lonely - I don't know. Right now, he lives in a townhouse next to mine (my

Re: Angel Wings Sanctuary

2005-06-09 Thread Cherie A Gabbert
That is so trueMy son wants to rescue everything we see, from the smallest butterfly to the cats we have, he is 5 and I hope this caring nature stays with him. Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the SAD truth is, there are many more, so called sanctuaries like this... Just allhaven't been

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

2005-06-09 Thread felv
Here is my alert email I am sending out to the groups I know have mentioned this "rescue": PLEASE REPOST THIS WIDELY TO ANY GROUPS OR PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE TAKEN A CAT TO ANGEL WINGS SANCTUARY!!! It's recently come to light that there are severe allegations (the photos pretty much prove

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

2005-06-09 Thread Cherie A Gabbert
Thank you, that is sick...what are these people thinking??/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is my alert email I am sending out to the groups I know have mentioned this "rescue": PLEASE REPOST THIS WIDELY TO ANY GROUPS OR PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE TAKEN A CAT TO ANGEL WINGS SANCTUARY!!! It's

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

2005-06-09 Thread Belinda Sauro
Jenn, Thank you that is fabulous :) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

2005-06-09 Thread Tad Burnett
I would like to point out a couple thingsI and others have heard of the Angel Wings on Long Island NYThis is not the same one that we have the pictures of in Tenn Please don't confuse the 2 as I believe the one on Long Island continues to be a very well run place...

RE: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contac tinfo)

2005-06-09 Thread Doljan, Joan
Title: Message Angels Gate is in Long Island. -Original Message-From: Tad Burnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:59 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contactinfo) I would like

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

2005-06-09 Thread tamara stickler
Tad, I would agree with you..up to a point. The clutter mess...not good...not as bad as a small cage, but then..you can't really CLEAN around clutter...so not only do you have to view the clutter, but what its hiding. Yeah, there were lots of food bags laying around, and yes it was quality food

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

2005-06-09 Thread Belinda Sauro
Tad, Did you read the story, no one is allowed to visit? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

2005-06-09 Thread TenHouseCats
i have to say that it almost looked like an abandoned property--like things were left that way when they moved out. a lot of folks don't clean up when they leave a place, and tossing old food bags and departed cat-trees looks a lot like that before final clean-up no explanation i can

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

2005-06-09 Thread PEC2851
Yes, I made it very clear in my post that my Felix went to Angel's Gate in L.I., N.Y. I also stated Victor Susan are marvelous and their sanctuary/hospice is IMMACULATE! In fact, one of the first things Felix did was to jump on their bed, covered w/ a white spread! With his IBD, I was so

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contac tinfo)

2005-06-09 Thread PEC2851
In a message dated 6/9/2005 3:01:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Angels Gate is in Long Island Again, EXACTLY. NOT TENN.

Re: Angel Wings Sanctuary

2005-06-09 Thread PEC2851
In a message dated 6/9/2005 1:28:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is so trueMy son wants to rescue everything we see, from the smallest butterfly to the cats we have, he is 5 and I hope this caring nature stays with him. Cherie My daughter was the

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

2005-06-09 Thread Tad Burnett
Hi Belinda.. Yes ..I did read the story and personally I can't see why anyone would send their pet to a place they couldn't visit before and after it went there...Perhaps the cats that come here are ones like mine...Last chance cats...Nobody wanted them and there lives were saved from the gas

Re: OT: US military killing dogs in Iraq

2005-06-09 Thread Barbara Lowe
if you go to the military mascots page and read the stories about some of the mascots, it's even more heartbreaking when some military brass then vetoes an animal being shipped stateside when the necessary money has been raised. it costs big bucks to bring an animal back-the vet bills,

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contactinfo)

2005-06-09 Thread felv
Well, there is a point at which the room is just not available for any cats, much less those with FELV. While in theory, I support a no-kill stance, in certain areas, I know it's just not possible to save them all. Tennessee is one of the most over-run states with unwanted animals (Georgia

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contactinfo)

2005-06-09 Thread TenHouseCats
i was speaking more generally when i said, not optimum, NOT in reference to those photos! -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892

FW: [FivCats] Re: integrating FIV+ with negatives

2005-06-09 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
I cant remember who it was someone on this list found the study that I had read about regarding FIV transmission with casual contacts at multi cat household a long time ago Nina, do you remember? I think you were part of the conversation on this, too. From: Hideyo Yamamoto

RE: [FivCats] Re: integrating FIV+ with negatives

2005-06-09 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Nina, I just found it thank you! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 3:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: FW: [FivCats] Re: integrating FIV+ with negatives I cant remember who it was

RE: Ginger is eating with Periactin

2005-06-09 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Michelle, how is Ginger? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ginger is eating with Periactin I would absolutely postpone the ultrasound. Nina [EMAIL

thanking for the incredible support system

2005-06-09 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
I know people on this list make a lot of comments on this, but I also personally want to thank you for all the support you give for me and for my babies, and for anyone who may need the support for that matter I really love this list as we can talk about anything (any OT stuff) I

RE: thanking for the incredible support system

2005-06-09 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Title: Message Hmm. Any chance a bunch of you could start another FIP list, without her? It sounds such a shame that in order to lose her, you had to lose all the good people too. I've never belonged to any other web group of any sort, so I've landed real lucky in finding this one. Totally

RE: thanking for the incredible support system

2005-06-09 Thread Barbara Baass
Where do all of you get the interferon? I need to get some for Samson's mouth. Barbara Baass"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm. Any chance a bunch of you could start another FIP list, without her? It sounds such a shame that in order to lose her, you had to lose all the good

RE: Message 6-Homemade diet

2005-06-09 Thread michelle reese
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 19 Date: 3 Jun 2005 11:54:19 -0700 Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World

RE: any info on this poor kitty

2005-06-09 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Title: Message I have a colleague who has a 12 year old boy kitty recently he started going bathroom (both 1 2) all over the house other than litter box his eyes also started twitching and lost some hair she wanted to know whats going on I suggested to take him to a vet and do a blood

Re: RE: any info on this poor kitty

2005-06-09 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH
I think that kitty needs to be seen by a vet soon. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 9, 2005 5:49 pm Subject: RE: any info on this poor kitty I have a colleague who has a 12 year old boy kitty - recently he

RE: any info on this poor kitty

2005-06-09 Thread Kathleen A. Berard
Title: Message Thyroid comes to mind . . . but not sure thats what it is. Might be worth having it checked. I realize she is having financial troubles but . . . her cats well-being is a responsibility too. Kat Kathleen A. Berard,Animal Communicator, Vibrational Essences

I'm Back!!

2005-06-09 Thread TatorBunz
Hi All, I'm up and running againthank god! Needless to say I had a potload of emails and was bouncing all over too. I hope all is well with everyone and I'm glad to be back online. Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for

Re: any info on this poor kitty

2005-06-09 Thread PEC2851
Hideyo, I agree, the cat really needs to see a vet. Is there a shelter or humane society near by that has clinics? Our shelter has spay/neuter clinics twice weekly, but time isput asidefor "hardship" cases..The vets will do an exam, run the bloodwork, then advisse what further treatment or

Re: any info on this poor kitty

2005-06-09 Thread PEC2851
In a message dated 6/9/2005 6:51:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: recently he started going bathroom (both 1 2) all over the house other than litter box PS ~ I was also thinking a "blockage", undiagnosed NOT treated is always (99.9%) fatal Unusual

RE: any info on this poor kitty

2005-06-09 Thread Barb Moermond
many clinics have "help" funds too - and what about imom?"Kathleen A. Berard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thyroid comes to mind . . . but not sure that’s what it is. Might be worth having it checked. I realize she is having financial troubles but . . . her cat’s well-being is a responsibility

Re: OT: US military killing dogs in Iraq

2005-06-09 Thread catatonya
I wonder who we should contact? Senators/reps? news media? tBONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://usmilitarykillsdogs.allsupportgroup.info/www.elephants.com

Re: any info on this poor kitty

2005-06-09 Thread PEC2851
Title: AOL Email In a message dated 6/9/2005 8:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and what about imom? Last I heard, sadly, IMOM was in financial straits and was not able to help as much as before

Re: any info on this poor kitty

2005-06-09 Thread PEC2851
In a message dated 6/9/2005 8:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: many clinics have "help" funds too And there IS another group that helps, I believe I read about it on this list.. Maybe check archives. Patti

Sebastian Update

2005-06-09 Thread JENNIFER RATLIFF
Sebastian has been doing alot better. His hind legs are getting a little stronger. I am still looking for a good vet that has alot of exprience dealing with +kitties. I have tried to pull up the list on the kitties website, but I can't for some reason. I live in West Virginia. Also, does anyone

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

2005-06-09 Thread Gloria B. Lane
I think it's good to question and look for complete stories. Thanks for giving an alternate view. Gloria At 01:58 PM 6/9/2005, you wrote: I would like to point out a couple thingsI and others have heard of the Angel Wings on Long Island NYThis is not the same one that we have the

dog meat trade in korea-ot

2005-06-09 Thread catatonya
I received a letter from IDA asking them to contact officials in Korea asking them "politely that for the health of Korean citizens and for the millions of dogs who are already suffering unimaginable cruelties, they must not allow the legalization of the dog meat trade. Urge them to create an

Re: any info on this poor kitty

2005-06-09 Thread felv
Here's the link Nina sent to me. ALL kinds of financial help for pets: http://www.magdrl-nj.com/links.html#finance I, too, am thinking blockage... not something anything should have to endure, REALLY horrible way to die, almost always fatal within days, if not hours, once they get 100%

Re: Fwd: Question about feral with FeLV

2005-06-09 Thread catatonya
In the summer when it's hot, the animals do eat less. All I could suggest would be to try to tempt them with goodies... Good luck. They are lucky to have you! tonyaNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gloria,What a wonderful human this person is! I can't tell you if this is 'normal' behavior for

RE: Hideyo - how is Corky?

2005-06-09 Thread catatonya
That's good news about Corky! I just hate dealing with emergency vets. I'm glad you got him home. I hope Carl feels better soon and perks up too. tonyaHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for asking, Nina. She is doing much better - I had to fightwith the vet at the emergency clinic

Re: I'm Back!!

2005-06-09 Thread felv
WB Terrie! Wow, you missed alot... you might want to do an archives reading session. :-) I'm not sure exactly how long you've been gone, but I think the two most current issues on the list are Michelle's Bramble not doing well (seizures), and the Angel Wings CatSanctuary fiasco (turns out

Re: thanking for the incredible support system

2005-06-09 Thread Gloria Lane
I agree, this is a great group - you're so right, some of the groups are very stringent, with hard-nosed moderators, and it's hard to say things and get answers. Thank you for being here! Gloria On Jun 9, 2005, at 4:43 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I know people on this list make a lot of

Re: any info on this poor kitty

2005-06-09 Thread Gloria Lane
Wonder what she's feeding him and if he's eating ok? Right, I agree, vet is in order. Gloria On Jun 9, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I have a colleague who has a 12 year old boy kitty recently he started going bathroom (both 1 2) all over the house other than litter box

Re: any info on this poor kitty

2005-06-09 Thread Gloria Lane
I think there are several, but the list I'm on is sickcats at yahoogroups.com Gloria On Jun 9, 2005, at 8:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/9/2005 8:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: many clinics have help funds too And there IS another group

Re: Sebastian Update

2005-06-09 Thread Gloria Lane
What have you dont for Sebastion that's helped him, do you think? I'm SO GLAD that he's doing better. Gloria On Jun 9, 2005, at 9:21 PM, JENNIFER RATLIFF wrote: Sebastian has been doing alot better. His hind legs are getting a little stronger. I am still looking for a good vet that has

Re: any info on this poor kitty

2005-06-09 Thread Gloria Lane
Very insightful, you guys! Gloria On Jun 9, 2005, at 10:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the link Nina sent to me. ALL kinds of financial help for pets: http://www.magdrl-nj.com/links.html#finance I, too, am thinking blockage... not something anything should have

RE: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

2005-06-09 Thread Chris
From the little I looked around, I think its not at all uncommon for shelters to be closed. I was referred to a gentleman who takes in FELV catswas given only his phone #. When I called him, he told me he had many cats, (would not say how many) in his house but would not tell me where. He

Re: I'm Back!!

2005-06-09 Thread TatorBunz
Thanks! Computer was down for 2 long weeks because practically the inside had to be replaced. First set parts were defective...grrr thank god for the warranty. Wow I'd say you guys have been busy...yes, I will go to the Archives to get updated. In a message dated 6/9/2005 8:43:02 PM Pacific

Re: Sebastian Update

2005-06-09 Thread felv
I'm glad to hear Sebastian is doing better! There aren't any vets on the website for W. Virginia, or even Virginia, so what you'll probably need to do is just call around to all of them in the phone book. A good opening question is "I have a cat with Feline Leukemia, what should I do?" the

Re: Bramble

2005-06-09 Thread felv
Michelle, how are you doing? What has happened? Is Bramble still holding on? Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005

Angels Wings, et al: ACTIVISM NEEDED

2005-06-09 Thread PEC2851
In a message dated 6/9/2005 11:50:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From the little I looked around, I think its not at all uncommon for shelters to be closed Had to reply to this commentHow sad if true where you may be located! A CLOSED DOOR POLICY