date:20050909

Hi thanks for your reply,we aren't sure exacly how old Smokey is but we / Vet think about 6. Full bloods have been done and im getting a copy of the results latter today to post to 'felvtalk' as Barb suggested. All i can remember from the Vet visit, after she told me about the Leukemia, is that she is very amaemic. Her gums etc are very pale. She has had some antibiotics for a possible parasite. Ive been told in other emails that could have been the cause of increased drinking and visits to the litter box. I really dont know how much my Vet knows about FeLV, i just assumed they would all have a pretty good knowledge.
Thanks, John[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John - how old is Smokey? and why is Smokey on steroids. If Smokey is on FeLV then long term cortico-steroid use weakens the immune system so not ideal for FIV or FeLV cats. (Someone correct me if Prednisilone is not cortico - please but I thought it was).As for the drinking then I'd agree with whoever said diabetes - or also renal function problems needs to be ruled out so bloods vital. How much does your vet know about FeLV cats as many don't know very much and it sounds like your vet fits in to that category if he suggested euthanasia at this point. I to am in UK and have taken info myself and suggested things from here to my vets and they aregood and work with me - they also have a lot of knowledge though.Forgive me if you have already provided such info as I've not read all the mails yet.Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel
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Re: Smokey....

2005-09-09 Thread maimaipg

Has Smokey been checked for diabetes?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  John Stafford 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

  Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 9:17 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Smokey

  Hi, thanks again for your reply. Sorry about my abbreviations, i'm 
  a Nurse. Yes Smokey has anaemia, her gums, pads and nose are very 
  pale. The Vet did originally think she had a parasite, and Smokey has 
  already taken a full course of Doxycyline. She has deffinately had 
  increased drinking and trips to the litter tray. What is the postal 
  address for yourselves so i can send on her results.
  Thanks, JohnBarb Moermond 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

John,
I would definitely get a copy of all the results whenever you have 
anything done. You can post them here for feedback from people who've 
had similar problems and/or use them to get a second opinion from another 
vet. I'm not sure what your abbreviations are, they can vary, but are 
there any spots on Smoky that were usually pink and now are very 
pale/white? Like, nose, gums, pads etc? That would indicate 
anemia and would explain the fatigue. There are a number of causes for 
anemia and different types of anemia, so you would need to find out which 
and if it's regenerative or non-regenerative. Hemobartinella is a 
blood born parasite that causes anemia and usually doesn't show up in the 
test for it. An antibiotic like Doxycycline is usually used for 
that. Along with the increased thirst, are there increased trips to 
the litter box?John Stafford 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi, 
  Thanks for your reply. Full blood tests were done on Smokey, 
  but all i can remember the Vet telling me, after she told me about the 
  Leukemia, was that her Hb level was very low, way way below acceptable 
  levels. And that 2 other levels were way low, but i cant recall what 
  they were. It sounds like Vets in the UK are not as thorough as yours in 
  the US when it comes to Feline Leukemia. Do you reccommend i get a copy of 
  the results from the Vet? And if so, what can i do with them?Thanks, 

  John.Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 

Hi John,
Sorry you had to find us, but glad it's US you found:) What 
other work was done/ tests run etc Saturday as well as the FeLV 
test? With the dramatically increased thirst, I would think 
diabetes and would want a full blood chemistry panel run. FeLV is 
more like human AIDS than anything elseasmost of the time 
it's something secondary that causes death. I would get more 
information about your Smokey's overall health/condition before getting 
too worried.John Stafford 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi there, 
  My name is John, i'm from Newcastle, England. Me and my 
  partner Julie discovered on Saturday that our lovely cat Smokey has 
  Leukemia. Needless to say we are both totally devastated with 
  the news. Smokey is very special to us because she just decided 
  to come and live with us about 3 year ago. We would never 
  normally have got a cat, but one day Smokey just came through our 
  homes window, and the rest is history. Since then she has been 
  the center of all our attention. 
  She is taking Predisalone steroids 5mg twice daily.Our vet 
  just suggested we put her to sleep, but we declined,because she 
  doesn't seem too poorley at present.She is very sleepy all the 
  time (but then again she always has been) but just a bit more than 
  usual. She has lost alot of weight. She is still eating, but 
  very little, and she seems to be drinking loads. We take her out the 
  back a couple of times a day and she has a little run about, but gets 
  tired very quickly.
  Can you reccommend any supplement or anything else we could give 
  her too help her along the way??
  Thanks,
  John, Julie, Smokey.
  PS. it's really good to read everyones emails, 
thanks.

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Re: Geroge's passing

Oh, Hideyo, I am so sorry to hear that George has left you. Feral cats can just break our hearts when we have to make decisions about whether to offer them treatment. I am going through that now with Paulie and I know how difficult it was for you with George. Please know that he couldn't have had a better home than with you. Take care of yourself and picture George happy and healthy, napping peacefully on a soft, fluffy cloud.

Love, JulieHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi, my beloved George whom I rescued two month ago crossed the bridge yesterday he had a very labored breathing for the past few days, the vet felt that he was having a hard time overcoming URI due to the compromised immune system from FIV he had been so well, he had a very good appetite.. but he never could really gain weight. He was very jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go away,, but he was doing so good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I really did not want to stress him out taking him to a vet all the time..though. I did sense the his last days might have been approaching as I felt that it must have been painful to breath so heavily.. and he was getting so skinny regardless of his appetitethe vet thought that his throat was very inflamed, and was going to call him the first thing yesterday morning to see if I could give him predisone but he did not make it
-

I must have know that something was going to happen that morning, because I couldnt sleep since 4 am that day..I was so nervous and was wide awake, kept thinking of George I would go check the room and see how he was doing.. and would go back (he would get stressed more if I were around since he is a feral boy).. so I would go back,, one time, I heard really loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat the food from the plate.. so I wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. so I did.. and an half hour later or an hour.. I went back into the room.. and I did not hear his breathing noise in the room.. I got so scared and I looked around..and called his name..and he was lying on the floor by the food plate with his eyes and mouth open.. and I ran over to him and held him he was still warm.. but he had passed already.. I cried and cried and held him, and I wrapped him with a blanket..
and put him on the table by the window. He looked so painful with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish that they werent.. but then, an interesting thing happened.. I went back to visit George by the window in the room an half hour later .. and this time.. his eyes and mouth were completely closed and he looked so peaceful.. looked like he was just sleeping..with no more pain

I have lots of regrets for thing I have done or I havent done for George.. things that I would regret for the rest of my lives and things that ended up shortening his lives and things that I would never forgive myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my AC this morning and she talked to George for me.. and I still feel very sad, but I also feel very peaceful. George is doing fabulous right now, he said... he is a little sad.. but he is feeling very good. We talked about a lot of things.. but at the end he told me that.. dont think that he is just a little helpless cat,, he is much more.. especially now,, he is free, and he can be an advisor for me --- as I do have a tendency to try to control every situation I encounter.. and I beat up myself when I cant for..so anyway, he gave me some advise which I found very very helpful to continue my life..
George said that he would like to meet me again,, probably not in my life time I left the conversation, asking him that if he would talk to me again.. and he said yes.. I told him that I love him and will miss him very much. And at the end,, he told me that he loves me, too. George has been always a little feral boy.. and it meant the world to me to know that he loves me.I buried him at his favorite spot in the garden.. the place he used to hang out

Thank for all the prayers you have given for George in the past now George has passed..please pray that George will be continue to be happy, and continue to have a good life and that some dayI will meet him soon.

Hideyo"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
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Re: Another one - Bridge

2005-09-09 Thread Susan Loesch

I can just see those pretty emerald eyes in a sweet tabby face - and I am so sorry she didn't make it. Prayers for you and Marietta, and high hopes for Athens and Atlanta. Terri Durham-Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sad news - Marietta (the only female in the litter) had to be pts today- she was not breathing hardly at all. Not sure if FIP or not butshe was suffering but now she isn't - doesn't make it any easier, I amgoing to miss her sweet little face rubbing my leg and arm when it wasfeeding time .This is just making me ill,, been losing one a week - 3 gone in 3weeks. Atlanta will be next ,, I can see it in his eyes. Athens isreally active, alert - eating well and not at all skinny like his sisteror brothers. He just might beat this and then it will all be worthit. There are 3 siblings left, 2 FelV pos ,, one sibling isnegative, I watch him like a hawk, he seems fine though.TerriPlease add her to the candle lite service April 3, 2005 - Sept 8, 2005She was a grey tabby with emerald green eyes. She is the sister ofAlbany
 and Macon.--Terri Durham-StoneSafe a Life "Spay and Neuter"Live well, Love much, Laugh Often

Re: Update on Princess Grace

Dear Nina,

Healing wishes and prayers on the way for Princess Grace, and for you, too. It's sometimes so hard to know what is best to do and we have to weigh so many variables when making these decisions. My husband has always told me (because I have to re-think and re-live every choice I make!) that if you believe what you did was right at the moment in time that you did it, it stands in time as the right choice. So much of what we do for our animals (I think more so than making choices for ourselves) is based on instinct, yet we've been told over and over in many ways that instinct is wrong and we need to concentrate on facts. I think as a culture we've learned to devalue our instincts. Right now, I am wishing I hadn't done the biopsy on Mandy. They needed so many samples and from so deep under her tongue, that the surgery for the biopsy has left her tongue crooked and is making it that much more diffult for her to eat. I knew that if it was an
oral cancer that treatment options were limited. If it was a granuloma it would have started (most likely) to respond to steriod therapy. So why didn't I just try the steroids first? I just have to focus on having done what I thought was best at the time I made the decision.

I know that Grace could not be in better, move loving hands.

Love, JulieNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Grace and I could use your prayers and good vibrations. She has been feeling poorly the last couple of months. Usually when she feels crummy I put her on a round of Dox, and she feels better almost immediately. Not so, this time. I put her on Dox and she didn't improve significantly. I took her off of Dox and started the five day protocol of Virbagen Omega, (injections of feline interferon, 1x daily). Again, she improved slightly, but not significantly. After the 4th day, I stopped the VO and put her back on Dox. She's been getting the Dox again for about a week, she continues to improve, but is still not herself. I've also been giving her oral interferon (chasing the Dox pill with it), transfer factor, Lysine, Co-Q10 etc. Her appetite is off, so I had to stop the supplements to get her to eat. I'm going to try some transdermal
Cyproheptadine to see if it helps her eat more. You may think I'm crazy, (so what's new?), but I talked to two different ACs that told me they did not think there were any tumors involved, or problems with any of her internal organs, just a feeling of general malaise. I had an appointment with our Internist today, but Grace seems to have improved more in the last couple of days, so I canceled it. It was a difficult decision to make. Grace suffers greatly from the stress involved in a visit to the vet and knowing that there would be several different tests involved to determine what is going on with her... Well, I just decided not to put her through it. There's been too many times that after the trauma and expense, nothing new has been learned. I don't feel completely confident in this decision, but if she doesn't continue to improve I can still bring her in later. I'm waiting for a call from the vet to discuss a different
antibiotic in case Grace has finally built a resistance to Doxycycline. For heavens sake, we don't even know why Dox has worked for her! Anyway, if you could take a moment to think of my Grace and wish her well, it would be greatly appreciated.Nina"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
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Re: Another one - Bridge

Terri, I am so sorry for Marietta and for you. I can well believe that all these terrible losses are literally making you sick; it's so hard. I hope you can find comfort in knowing that they couldn't have been more loved. Sending you a big, big hug.

Love, JulieTerri Durham-Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sad news - Marietta (the only female in the litter) had to be pts today- she was not breathing hardly at all. Not sure if FIP or not butshe was suffering but now she isn't - doesn't make it any easier, I amgoing to miss her sweet little face rubbing my leg and arm when it wasfeeding time .This is just making me ill,, been losing one a week - 3 gone in 3weeks. Atlanta will be next ,, I can see it in his eyes. Athens isreally active, alert - eating well and not at all skinny like his sisteror brothers. He just might beat this and then it will all be worthit. There are 3 siblings left, 2 FelV pos ,, one sibling isnegative, I watch him like a hawk, he seems fine though.TerriPlease add her to the candle lite service April 3, 2005 - Sept 8, 2005She was a grey tabby with emerald green eyes. She is the sister ofAlbany
and Macon.--Terri Durham-StoneSafe a Life "Spay and Neuter"Live well, Love much, Laugh Often"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: Smokey....

2005-09-09 Thread Lernermichelle

John,
Can you just post the numbers in an email to this list? Especailly the hematocrit?

Apparently hemobartonella sometimes takes more than a normal course of dox to get rid of it.

But it may not be hemobartonella. It could be lymphoma, and if it is, and if you want to, chemo really can do a lot. Lymphoma in cats responds very well to chemo about 50% of the time. Some cats go into remission for a few years. If it is in the bone marrow, the percentages are less favorable. But my cat Simon had very advanced lymphoma and very very bad anemia (needed 3 transfusions initially) and chemo helped him feel good and have a higher hematocrit for 2 months before he died fairly suddenly of sudden onset anemia that they thought, at that point, was an auto-immune response to having cancer.

If she has kidney diseases, it could also be kidney-related anemia. If you want to figure it out, she really does need a better diagnosis. Did she get an ultrasound, and was her blood work analyzed for signs of lymphoma or leukemia the cancer?

Michelle

In a message dated 9/9/2005 9:18:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: Update on Princess Grace

Thank you Julie for your wise and kind words.  Your's and your husband's 
logic about decision making is impeccable.  Of course, I have been 
second guessing myself about not taking Grace in to the vet.  I think 
she's slowly improving, but it's hard to tell. 

As far as doing the biopsy on Mandy...  In hindsight it appears to you 
that you should have just tried steroids first, and maybe that would 
have been the way to go.  But what if you had tried the steroids, seen 
no improvement, and then had to do further exploratories anyway?  We 
just never know.  I spoke with Hideyo after she lost her sweet George.  
She was upset at herself for having had to crate him the last days of 
his life, (in order to administer meds).  But what if she hadn't?  She 
would have thought that he passed because she wasn't able to give him 
his meds!  When we take on the responsibility of an animal we are put in 
the position of having to imagine that we have control over these 
situations.  How else could we make any choices at all?  Ultimately, we 
know that we don't have the control we think we do.  All we can do is 
follow our best instincts, pray for guidance, do our best to not add to 
the suffering of our loved ones and not add to our burdens by beating 
ourselves up over the decisions we are forced to make.

Much love to you and yours my dear,
Nina

Julie Johnson wrote:


Dear Nina,
 
Healing wishes and prayers on the way for Princess Grace, and for you, 
too.  It's sometimes so hard to know what is best to do and we have to 
weigh so many variables when making these decisions.  My husband has 
always told me (because I have to re-think and re-live every choice I 
make!) that if you believe what you did was right at the moment in 
time that you did it, it stands in time as the right choice.  So much 
of what we do for our animals (I think more so than making choices for 
ourselves) is based on instinct, yet we've been told over and over in 
many ways that instinct is wrong and we need to concentrate on facts.  
I think as a culture we've learned to devalue our instincts.  Right 
now, I am wishing I hadn't done the biopsy on Mandy.  They needed so 
many samples and from so deep under her tongue, that the surgery for 
the biopsy has left her tongue crooked and is making it that much more 
diffult for her to eat.  I knew that if it was an oral cancer that 
treatment options were limited.  If it was a granuloma it would have 
started (most likely) to respond to steriod therapy.  So why didn't I 
just try the steroids first?  I just have to focus on having done what 
I thought was best at the time I made the decision.  
 
I know that Grace could not be in better, move loving hands.
 
Love, Julie


*/Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

Grace and I could use your prayers and good vibrations. She has been
feeling poorly the last couple of months. Usually when she feels
crummy
I put her on a round of Dox, and she feels better almost immediately.
Not so, this time. I put her on Dox and she didn't improve
significantly. I took her off of Dox and started the five day
protocol
of Virbagen Omega, (injections of feline interferon, 1x daily).
Again,
she improved slightly, but not significantly. After the 4th day, I
stopped the VO and put her back on Dox. She's been getting the Dox
again for about a week, she continues to improve, but is still not
herself. I've also been giving her oral interferon (chasing the Dox
pill with it), transfer factor, Lysine, Co-Q10 etc. Her appetite is
off, so I had to stop the supplements to get her to eat. I'm going to
try some transdermal Cyproheptadine to see if it helps her eat more.
You may think I'm crazy, (so what's new?), but I talked to two
different
ACs that told me they did not think there were any tumors
involved, or
problems with any of her internal organs, just a feeling of general
malaise. I had an appointment with our Internist today, but Grace
seems
to have improved more in the last couple of days, so I canceled
it. It
was a difficult decision to make. Grace suffers greatly from the
stress
involved in a visit to the vet and knowing that there would be
several
different tests involved to determine what is going on with her...
Well, I just decided not to put her through it. There's been too many
times that after the trauma and expense, nothing new has been
learned.
I don't feel completely confident in this decision, but if she
doesn't
continue to improve I can still bring her in later. I'm waiting for a
call from the vet to discuss a different antibiotic in case Grace has
finally built a resistance to Doxycycline. For heavens sake, we don't
even know why Dox has worked for her! Anyway, if you could take a
moment to think of my Grace and wish her well, it would be greatly
appreciated.
Nina

Wonderful article on laser and other toys

Hi Everyone,

I've been reading the thread about laser toys and I wanted to send the link for this article:

http://www.littlebigcat.com/index.php?action="">

It's by Dr. Jean Hofve and was in one of her free newsletters. They're wonderful! You can subscribe at www.littlebigcat.com

We had a few cats, most especially Cookie, who would sit and stare and paw at the drawer where the laser toy was kept. After I read this article, it all made sense (duh! could I get any blonder?); they were frustrated because they needed somthing to complete their hunting experience. The needed a "kill"! I bought some dog toys which are essentially stuffed tubes of canvas with little animal heads. The are about 9 inches long and 3-4 inches in circumference. The kitties are able to get it in a 4-paw grip and kick and kill! Once they seem to be winding down,I pick up the "kill" toys and put them away as they are for a specific purpose. It has really worked well; they don't sit and stare at the drawer anymore and they have a great time with their workout.

Hope this is helpful!

Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
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Re: petition to evacuate Katrina animal victims





Thank you Tonya for posting the link to the petition.
Nina

catatonya wrote:

  
  
  http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/840979272

Re: Update on Princess Grace

Dear Nina,

I am hoping and praying that Grace is improving. Next time I am definately coming back as the kitty, not the caretaker!

I am literally sprouting white hairs! They aren'ttoo noticeable because I'm blonde, but I see them in the harsh light of day. And I am not amused.

Love and hugs to you and Grace, JulieNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you Julie for your wise and kind words. Your's and your husband's logic about decision making is impeccable. Of course, I have been second guessing myself about not taking Grace in to the vet. I think she's slowly improving, but it's hard to tell. As far as doing the biopsy on Mandy... In hindsight it appears to you that you should have just tried steroids first, and maybe that would have been the way to go. But what if you had tried the steroids, seen no improvement, and then had to do further exploratories anyway? We just never know. I spoke with Hideyo after she lost her sweet George. She was upset at herself for having had to crate him the last days of his life, (in order to administer meds). But what if she hadn't? She would have thought that he passed because she wasn't able to give him his meds! When we take on the
responsibility of an animal we are put in the position of having to imagine that we have control over these situations. How else could we make any choices at all? Ultimately, we know that we don't have the control we think we do. All we can do is follow our best instincts, pray for guidance, do our best to not add to the suffering of our loved ones and not add to our burdens by beating ourselves up over the decisions we are forced to make.Much love to you and yours my dear,NinaJulie Johnson wrote: Dear Nina, Healing wishes and prayers on the way for Princess Grace, and for you, too. It's sometimes so hard to know what is best to do and we have to weigh so many variables when making these decisions. My husband has always told me (because I have to re-think and re-live every choice I make!) that if you believe what you did was right at the moment in time that you did it,
it stands in time as the right choice. So much of what we do for our animals (I think more so than making choices for ourselves) is based on instinct, yet we've been told over and over in many ways that instinct is wrong and we need to concentrate on facts. I think as a culture we've learned to devalue our instincts. Right now, I am wishing I hadn't done the biopsy on Mandy. They needed so many samples and from so deep under her tongue, that the surgery for the biopsy has left her tongue crooked and is making it that much more diffult for her to eat. I knew that if it was an oral cancer that treatment options were limited. If it was a granuloma it would have started (most likely) to respond to steriod therapy. So why didn't I just try the steroids first? I just have to focus on having done what I thought was best at the time I made the decision. I know that
Grace could not be in better, move loving hands. Love, Julie */Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Grace and I could use your prayers and good vibrations. She has been feeling poorly the last couple of months. Usually when she feels crummy I put her on a round of Dox, and she feels better almost immediately. Not so, this time. I put her on Dox and she didn't improve significantly. I took her off of Dox and started the five day protocol of Virbagen Omega, (injections of feline interferon, 1x daily). Again, she improved slightly, but not significantly. After the 4th day, I stopped the VO and put her back on Dox. She's been getting the Dox again for about a week, she continues to improve, but is still not herself. I've also been giving her oral interferon (chasing the Dox pill with it), transfer factor, Lysine, Co-Q10 etc. Her
appetite is off, so I had to stop the supplements to get her to eat. I'm going to try some transdermal Cyproheptadine to see if it helps her eat more. You may think I'm crazy, (so what's new?), but I talked to two different ACs that told me they did not think there were any tumors involved, or problems with any of her internal organs, just a feeling of general malaise. I had an appointment with our Internist today, but Grace seems to have improved more in the last couple of days, so I canceled it. It was a difficult decision to make. Grace suffers greatly from the stress involved in a visit to the vet and knowing that there would be several different tests involved to determine what is going on with her... Well, I just decided not to put her through it. There's been too many times that after the trauma and expense, nothing new has
been learned. I don't feel completely confident in this decision, but if she doesn't continue to improve I can still bring her in later. I'm waiting for a call from the vet to discuss a different antibiotic in case Grace has finally built a resistance to Doxycycline. For heavens sake, we don't even know why Dox has worked for her! Anyway, if you could

Re: Another one - Bridge

Oh Terri, what a nightmare you're living through!  I'm praying for 
Atlanta and Athens to somehow be strong enough to make it.  So terrible 
to lose these little angels, one after the other.  I'm so sorry.  Do you 
have them on Transfer Factor?  I have to second Julie's suggestion about 
the Interferon A.  It really does help with mouth sores.  Doing so much 
rescue, I'm sure you don't have the funds to try Interferon Omega, 
(feline interferon), but I think I have found a way to procure it 
quicker than the conventional approach.  If you're interested, email me 
off-list and I'll tell you about it.  Again, I'm so sorry.  Please know 
that we are all sending you support and healing energy.  Take care of 
yourself too.  Thank you for your courage in helping these sweet little 
babies, (and all those in your care), the best you can.  You're an 
extraordinary woman.

Much love,
Nina

Terri Durham-Stone wrote:


Sad news - Marietta (the only female in the litter) had to be pts today
- she was not breathing hardly at all. Not sure if FIP or not but
she was suffering but now she isn't - doesn't make it any easier,  I am
going to miss her sweet little face rubbing my leg and arm when it was
feeding time .
This is just making me ill,,  been losing one a week - 3 gone in 3
weeks.  Atlanta will be next ,, I can see it in his eyes. Athens is
really active, alert - eating well and not at all skinny like his sister
or brothers.  He just might beat this and then it will all be worth
it.   There are 3 siblings left,  2  FelV pos ,, one sibling is
negative,  I watch him like a hawk,  he seems fine though.

Terri
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Re: sores in the mouth - Patti


Patti,
Thank you for your advise with holistic remedies.  I've printed it out 
and archived it.  I'll be making a trip to the health food store to see 
if any of this might help Grace.

Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Terri,
From what I've read about these poor babies  their mouth problems, it 
sounds that it could possibly be calici virus, which is quite common 
in kittens w/ compromised immune systems.  The calici virus has been 
linked to a reaction from vaccinations, and Felv+/FIV+ kittens are 
most prone to develop the virus. How many vaccines have they rec'd., 
and when was most recent?  Have you discussed this possibility w/ your 
vet? Sadly, most allopathic vets will just treat it as a type of 
gingivitis  then prescribe prednisone or prednisolone which I find 
to be very frustrating, because it seems allopathic vets 
overprescribe pred as the magic cure all or fix it for anything they 
don't have a specific treatment plan for
Another thing about the calici virus is that it is very painful and 
highly contagious, therefore it would not surprise me if that is what 
the diagnosis would be.
There are many excellent homeopathic/holistic treatments for dealing 
w/ any type of mouth sores. (Those that are familiar w/ me know that I 
have a wonderful allopathic vet that works well w/ my holistic vet)
 
Astragalus, a Chinese herb is available in many forms  strengths. It 
is considered a tonic because of it's ability to nourish the blood, 
it is used widely for chronic immune deficencies, frequent infections 
and overall weakness.
 
One of the BEST treatments is Anitra Frazier's /Healthy Mouth 
Formula,/which is published in her book,/*The New Natural Cat,* /is 
as follows:
Mix together 1/4 cup spring or distilled water. 1/8 tspn. salt, 3 
drops tincture of myrhh  apply liberally to the gums once a day w/ a 
cotton swab.
Myrrh is a /medicinal /herb that has great soothing  healing 
properties and when used orally will greatly reduce the redness  
swelling, as well as soothe the pain.
This is the treatment we used most frequently at the shelter for just 
about any oral irritation/infection, gingivitis, calici, stomatitis 
and even abscesses.
 
There are two other /medicinal herbs/ that can be used either 
separately or in a combination formula. They are */Echinacea  
Goldenseal./*
*/Echinacea /*is an antiseptic antifungal herb and can be used either 
as a tincture/extract or tea. It is a fever reducer, blood purifier  
frequently used for abscesses.
*/Goldenseal/* used in the tea form is natural antibiotic  
antiseptic, a well known tonic for soothing all mucous membranes. It 
is a natural anti-inflammatory, and a well known fungicide in the 
holistic field of veterinary medicine. Holistic medicine uses it as an 
alternative to corticosteroids, as in, Say no to prednisone.(My  
*/own /*personal view)
Both */Goldenseal  Echinacea/*, used in the tincture forms are 
excellent /natural/ treatments for ringworm.
As I stated before, they can be used separately, or in a common 
combination.

These two herbs are perhaps the ones we have used the most at the shelter.
 
Another herb, */Slippery Elm, /*a /food/ herb, is most commonly used 
as an anti-inflammatory for the digestive tract, with symptoms of 
vomiting, ulcers and most commonly for diarrhea.(An excellent 
alternative to meds such as metronidazole.)
It's most commonly used in the /syrup/ formula, but the powdered form 
can be sprinkled right in to the cat's food.
We have had excellent results with this herb and do use it as an oral 
anti-inflammatory also. Supposedly, it has a /pleasant /taste to 
cats/*.*/
*//* 
Terri, there are many natural treatments available to help these 
poor babies with their mouth sores.
Most importantly, first, */I/* would get a defnitive diagnosis as to 
exactly what the sores are.
And since they are so young, and being Felv+, having already highly 
compromised immune systems, I would AVOID using any drug like 
prednisone on them, since it is my own personal opinion that pred just 
masks the actual cause  therefore symptoms of*/ whatever issue/* 
being dealt with seem to just disappear.(As you can probably tell, 
I am NOT AT ALL FOND OF THE USE OF PREDNISONE, especially when there 
are */NATURAL plant forms of steroids available...)/*
I wish you the best of luck with your little ones You have already 
suffered the loss of your other little ones. This is only my own, 
personal view on the subject, but when they are so young  frail, I 
always put my faith in holistic medicine  the power of prayers.
I sincerely wish you and your little ones the best of luck, and will 
keep you all in my thoughts  prayers.

Hugs,
Patti

Re: Smokey's blood results

Hi everyone, Here are Smokeys blood results my Vet just copied for me.
Hb 4.53 (L)
HCT 15.1 (L)
RBC 2.82 (L)
MCV 53.3
MCH 16.1
MCHC 30.1
Pit 122 (L)
WBC corrected 9.00
nRBC's 35.7
Neutrophils 5.21
Lymphocytes 2.51
Monocytes 1.26 (H)
Eosinophils 0.36
Basophils 0.00
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John,
Can you just post the numbers in an email to this list? Especailly the hematocrit?

Apparently hemobartonella sometimes takes more than a normal course of dox to get rid of it.

Michelle

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Re: Smokey....

Hi, no i dont think she has been checked for diabetes. I have posted all her other blood results on the site. Thanksmaimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Has Smokey been checked for diabetes?

- Original Message - 
From: John Stafford 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: Smokey

Hi, thanks again for your reply. Sorry about my abbreviations, i'm a Nurse. Yes Smokey has anaemia, her gums, pads and nose are very pale. The Vet did originally think she had a parasite, and Smokey has already taken a full course of Doxycyline. She has deffinately had increased drinking and trips to the litter tray. What is the postal address for yourselves so i can send on her results.
Thanks, JohnBarb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

John,
I would definitely get a copy of all the results whenever you have anything done. You can post them here for feedback from people who've had similar problems and/or use them to get a second opinion from another vet. I'm not sure what your abbreviations are, they can vary, but are there any spots on Smoky that were usually pink and now are very pale/white? Like, nose, gums, pads etc? That would indicate anemia and would explain the fatigue. There are a number of causes for anemia and different types of anemia, so you would need to find out which and if it's regenerative or non-regenerative. Hemobartinella is a blood born parasite that causes anemia and usually doesn't show up in the test for it. An antibiotic like Doxycycline is usually used for that. Along with the increased thirst, are there increased trips to the litter box?John Stafford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi, 
Thanks for your reply. Full blood tests were done on Smokey, but all i can remember the Vet telling me, after she told me about the Leukemia, was that her Hb level was very low, way way below acceptable levels. And that 2 other levels were way low, but i cant recall what they were. It sounds like Vets in the UK are not as thorough as yours in the US when it comes to Feline Leukemia. Do you reccommend i get a copy of the results from the Vet? And if so, what can i do with them?Thanks, 
John.Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Hi John,
Sorry you had to find us, but glad it's US you found:) What other work was done/ tests run etc Saturday as well as the FeLV test? With the dramatically increased thirst, I would think diabetes and would want a full blood chemistry panel run. FeLV is more like human AIDS than anything elseasmost of the time it's something secondary that causes death. I would get more information about your Smokey's overall health/condition before getting too worried.John Stafford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi there, 
My name is John, i'm from Newcastle, England. Me and my partner Julie discovered on Saturday that our lovely cat Smokey has Leukemia. Needless to say we are both totally devastated with the news. Smokey is very special to us because she just decided to come and live with us about 3 year ago. We would never normally have got a cat, but one day Smokey just came through our homes window, and the rest is history. Since then she has been the center of all our attention. 
She is taking Predisalone steroids 5mg twice daily.Our vet just suggested we put her to sleep, but we declined,because she doesn't seem too poorley at present.She is very sleepy all the time (but then again she always has been) but just a bit more than usual. She has lost alot of weight. She is still eating, but very little, and she seems to be drinking loads. We take her out the back a couple of times a day and she has a little run about, but gets tired very quickly.
Can you reccommend any supplement or anything else we could give her too help her along the way??
Thanks,
John, Julie, Smokey.
PS. it's really good to read everyones emails, thanks.

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Re: Another emergency!! - at home oxygen tank?

Oh Kerry, I'm so sorry to hear about Rascal's troubles!  That's so sweet 
the way he and Bandy are such good buddies.  Someone on this list posted 
once about a home made oxygen cage.  I can't remember who it was, 
maybe Patti?  I'm hoping they will see this and post about how they 
fixed one up.  Grace and I are very pleased to hear that she has a new 
namesake.  Prayers for Rascal, Bandy, you and all of yours.

Nina

kerry wrote:


Hi,
Well, my luck when one gets sick, it seems to break out everywhere 
else too..
I had to rush my 15 yr old Little Rascal to the vet here at 5:30 today 
in respiratory distress...so then after we sort of got him stable by 
8pm, I took him to the 24 hr emergency clinic where he could stay in 
the icu oxygen cage...He was better when the meds kicked in...He is 
FeLV-- and FIV-- but she found a huge mass in his abdomen probably 
like his grandmothers...lymphoma.. So I told her I don't want to do 
any more diag. on him as he is too old to go thru surgery and has 
hyperthyroidism to boot.. I want to make him as comfortable as I can 
for as long as I can...He is Bandy's buddy...When Bandy's temp goes 
way up, he will always go get in the box with Rascal...It is like he 
hides behind him and Rascal always rubs all over Bandy...so they are 
big buds..  If he responds ok to this, then I will go get him either 
Fri or Sat..I think that was the plan..

I hope Grace is feeling better today..
I have named a new kitty that i have Grace...I couldn't think of what 
to name her and when you told me about Grace..it seemed to fit this 
kitty..

We will keep you in our prayers.
Kerry and Bandy

Re: Smokey....


Hello John, Julie and Smokey,
I'm sorry you had to find us, but I'm glad you did.  What a lovely story 
about how Smokey chose the two of you, some things are just meant to 
be.  I guess he knew what he was doing!  I'm so pleased you didn't take 
your vet's advise about having him put to sleep!  It's such a hot button 
for me that so many people think of Felv as an automatic death 
sentence.  The folks on this list can tell you that it's just not the 
case.  The group is right in that you have to find out what is causing 
his symptoms, (it's not the Felv itself, unless he's actually in the 
process of fighting the disease itself off).  I'm disappointed to read 
that Dox did not help Smokey with his anemia.  How long was he on it?  
Along with the treatments you will be following, once it's determined 
what his problems are, you would be wise to immediately start to boost 
his immune system in any way you can.  There are many supplements for 
this, I would start him on Transfer Factor, Interferon A, Vitamin 
supplements, Co-Q10 etc.  Get yourself another vet, if the one you have 
is not willing to treat Smokey.  Look for a board certified Internist, 
they will be more up to date on available treatments.  You might want to 
look into finding a holistic vet as well.  Many good wishes and prayers 
for Smokey's recovery.  Bless you for caring for and loving this very 
special little man.

Nina

John Stafford wrote:

Hi there, 
My name is John, i'm from Newcastle, England.  Me and my partner Julie 
discovered on Saturday that our lovely cat Smokey has Leukemia.  
Needless to say we are both totally devastated with the news.  Smokey 
is very special to us because she just decided to come and live with 
us about 3 year ago.  We would never normally have got a cat, but one 
day Smokey just came through our homes window, and the rest is 
history.  Since then she has been the center of all our attention.
She is taking Predisalone steroids 5mg twice daily. Our vet just 
suggested we put her to sleep, but we declined, because she doesn't 
seem too poorley at present. She is very sleepy all the time (but then 
again she always has been) but just a bit more than usual.  She has 
lost alot of weight. She is still eating, but very little, and she 
seems to be drinking loads. We take her out the back a couple of times 
a day and she has a little run about, but gets tired very quickly.
Can you reccommend any supplement or anything else we could give her 
too help her along the way??

Thanks,
John, Julie, Smokey.
PS. it's really good to read everyones emails, thanks.


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Re: sores in the mouth - Patti

2005-09-09 Thread PEC2851




Nina,
You're welcomeI hope you can find something holistic to 
help Grace...
I am going to e-mail you off list anyway (in response to your 
touching e-mail about Felix  Rescue.)
I'll include some great books for referance and some of the 
best online holistic sources...
Hugs,
Patti

Re: Another emergency!! - at home oxygen tank?

2005-09-09 Thread Lernermichelle




My dog Fern was on an at-home oxygen tank for her last week (she had lung cancer). She did not like it very much and had to get mild tranquilizers to deal with it, but it made her breathe much much easier.The way it worked was that the oncologist put a nasal oxygen tubein her nose (one shallow stitch) and we then rented an oxygen tank and long line from a human medical supplies office, and the tube hooked right in to the line. I do not know if they do this with cats, but even with Fern they had only done it one other time for a dog.

Let us know what happens.
Michelle 


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kerry wrote:

Re: Smokey's blood results

2005-09-09 Thread Lernermichelle

The only one of those results that I know the standards for is the hematocrit. 15 is very low-- normal is, like with humans, around 30-35. So 15 is quite low, but it is not so low that it is untreatable. They would not even give Simon a transfusion until he went below 13. I would get her to an internist quickly though, and retest her soon, because she may need a transfusion soon to hold her over while you get a diagnosis and consider treatment options, if that is what you want to do.

I should tell you this-- we on this site often get very adamant about doing testing and finding the root of the problem, because there are sometimes things that really help and give them extra months or years. But it is also true that when FeLV+ cats get this anemic, there is often no long-term fix. Because there sometimes is, and because even when there isn't they can often have several more good months with treatment, I am in favor of getting a diagnosis and tgrying treatments when possible. But I also do not want to get your hopes up so much that you think an internist will definitely be able to save her. You need to realize it is probably a less than 50% chance that her anemia can be successfully treated for more than a few months, but that there is a chance. At least one person on this site had a cat with pretty bad anemia cured from depomedrol steroid shots (it was an auto-immune mediated anemia); at least one had a cat's kidney-induced anemia controlled for years with Epogen; and at least one has had hemobartonella-induced anemiacured or held in check. And as I said, Simon got a couple more months from treatment of advanced lymphoma-mediated anemia. So that is what I go by. But you need to realize it is probably the exception at this point rather than the norm to have it totally cured or get anything more than a month or two.

Michelle

Re: Another emergency!! - at home oxygen tank?

I can't remember who it was, but someone rigged a carrier so that there 
was very little ventilation and funneled the oxygen into it with the cat 
inside.  Nothing was inserted into their nose as far as I can remember.  
I've looked for the old email and can't find it. 

I just went to search the archives and I did find this from Gloria, 
(sorry Gloria, I should have known it was you, TC, or Patti!).  Anyway 
here's what Gloria wrote about making her own oxygen cage:


I have a carrier that was converted into an oxygen cage/carrier by a

friend's husband - he's an engineering type. I got it from her, just
in case, before my Cala died. If you're ever interested, I'll be glad
to share the carrier (I'm in Arkansas).

My friends used it for her kitty, and then she loaned the carrier to
me.  The problem is getting a vet to prescribe the O2 tank that
connects to the carrier -they think you're crazy...  and of course
you'd need to be home with him.   Think the O2 tanks are rented on a
monthly fee?

People have O2 at home all the time - too bad it's not done more for
cats and dogs that want to be home.

Gloria

Re: Smokey....

2005-09-09 Thread maimaipg




You might want to check that out. I believe the 
blood work for diabetes has to be fasting. I don't know if his was. 
Some of what you describe is indicative of diabetes.- Original 
Message - 

  From: 
  John Stafford 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:31 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Smokey
  
  Hi, no i dont think she has been checked for diabetes. I have 
  posted all her other blood results on the site. Thanksmaimaipg 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  



Has Smokey been checked for diabetes?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  John Stafford 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 9:17 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Smokey
  
  Hi, thanks again for your reply. Sorry about my abbreviations, 
  i'm a Nurse. Yes Smokey has anaemia, her gums, pads and nose are 
  very pale. The Vet did originally think she had a parasite, and 
  Smokey has already taken a full course of Doxycyline. She has 
  deffinately had increased drinking and trips to the litter tray. 
  What is the postal address for yourselves so i can send on her 
  results.
  Thanks, JohnBarb Moermond 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
John,
I would definitely get a copy of all the results whenever you have 
anything done. You can post them here for feedback from people 
who've had similar problems and/or use them to get a second opinion from 
another vet. I'm not sure what your abbreviations are, they can 
vary, but are there any spots on Smoky that were usually pink and now 
are very pale/white? Like, nose, gums, pads etc? That would 
indicate anemia and would explain the fatigue. There are a number 
of causes for anemia and different types of anemia, so you would need to 
find out which and if it's regenerative or non-regenerative. 
Hemobartinella is a blood born parasite that causes anemia and usually 
doesn't show up in the test for it. An antibiotic like Doxycycline 
is usually used for that. Along with the increased thirst, are 
there increased trips to the litter box?John Stafford 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  Hi, 
  Thanks for your reply. Full blood tests were done on 
  Smokey, but all i can remember the Vet telling me, after she told me 
  about the Leukemia, was that her Hb level was very low, way way below 
  acceptable levels. And that 2 other levels were way low, but i 
  cant recall what they were. It sounds like Vets in the UK are not as 
  thorough as yours in the US when it comes to Feline Leukemia. Do you 
  reccommend i get a copy of the results from the Vet? And if so, what 
  can i do with them?Thanks, 
  John.Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  
Hi John,
Sorry you had to find us, but glad it's US you found:) 
What other work was done/ tests run etc Saturday as well as the FeLV 
test? With the dramatically increased thirst, I would think 
diabetes and would want a full blood chemistry panel run. FeLV 
is more like human AIDS than anything elseasmost of the 
time it's something secondary that causes death. I would get 
more information about your Smokey's overall health/condition before 
getting too worried.John Stafford 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  Hi there, 
  My name is John, i'm from Newcastle, England. Me and my 
  partner Julie discovered on Saturday that our lovely cat Smokey 
  has Leukemia. Needless to say we are both totally devastated 
  with the news. Smokey is very special to us because she just 
  decided to come and live with us about 3 year ago. We would 
  never normally have got a cat, but one day Smokey just came 
  through our homes window, and the rest is history. Since 
  then she has been the center of all our attention. 
  She is taking Predisalone steroids 5mg twice daily.Our 
  vet just suggested we put her to sleep, but we 
  declined,because she doesn't seem too poorley at 
  present.She is very sleepy all the time (but then again she 
  always has been) but just a bit more than usual. She has 
  lost alot of weight. She is still eating, but very little, and she 
  seems to be drinking loads. We take her out the back a couple of 
  times a day and she has a little run about, but gets tired very 
  quickly.
  Can you reccommend any supplement or anything else we could 
  give her too help her along

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Hi everyone, Here are Smokeys blood results my Vet just copied for me.
Hb 4.53 (L)
HCT 15.1 (L)
RBC 2.82 (L)
MCV 53.3
MCH 16.1
MCHC 30.1
Pit 122 (L)
WBC corrected 9.00
nRBC's 35.7
Neutrophils 5.21
Lymphocytes 2.51
Monocytes 1.26 (H)
Eosinophils 0.36
Basophils 0.00
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

John,
Can you just post the numbers in an email to this list? Especailly the hematocrit?

Apparently hemobartonella sometimes takes more than a normal course of dox to get rid of it.

Michelle

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Re: Another one - Bridge

2005-09-09 Thread Terri Brown

Goodnight, sweet Marietta...

=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis,
and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 10:57
PM
Subject: Re: Another one - Bridge
Oh Terri my heart goes out to you - losses are so hardand
when you have a string of them, it just wears youdown... Know that all of
us are here for you andsharing your pain at her loss and your joy at
havingbeen able to know her and give her a loving safe home.Our
thoughts and tears are with
you..HUGS---
Terri Durham-Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: Sad news - Marietta (the only female in the litter)
had to be pts today - she was not breathing hardly at all. Not
sure if FIP or not but she was suffering but now she isn't -
doesn't make it any easier, I am going to miss her sweet
little face rubbing my leg and arm when it was feeding time
. This is just making me ill,, been losing one a
week - 3 gone in 3 weeks. Atlanta will be next ,, I can see it
in his eyes. Athens is really active, alert - eating well and
not at all skinny like his sister or brothers. He just
might beat this and then it will all be worth it.
There are 3 siblings left, 2 FelV pos ,, one sibling
is negative, I watch him like a hawk, he seems
fine though. Terri Please add her to the candle lite
service April 3, 2005 - Sept 8, 2005 She was a grey tabby with
emerald green eyes. She is the sister of Albany and
Macon.-- Terri
Durham-Stone Safe a Life "Spay and Neuter" Live well, Love
much, Laugh OftenBarb+Smoky
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Re: Another one - Bridge

2005-09-09 Thread catatonya

Terri,

I am so terribly sorry. You have had too many losses. I pray the other 3 pull through.

tonyaTerri Durham-Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sad news - Marietta (the only female in the litter) had to be pts today- she was not breathing hardly at all. Not sure if FIP or not butshe was suffering but now she isn't - doesn't make it any easier, I amgoing to miss her sweet little face rubbing my leg and arm when it wasfeeding time .This is just making me ill,, been losing one a week - 3 gone in 3weeks. Atlanta will be next ,, I can see it in his eyes. Athens isreally active, alert - eating well and not at all skinny like his sisteror brothers. He just might beat this and then it will all be worthit. There are 3 siblings left, 2 FelV pos ,, one sibling isnegative, I watch him like a hawk, he seems fine though.TerriPlease add her to the candle lite service April 3, 2005 - Sept 8, 2005She was a grey tabby with emerald green eyes. She is the sister ofAlbany
 and Macon.--Terri Durham-StoneSafe a Life "Spay and Neuter"Live well, Love much, Laugh Often

Re: laser toy

Thanks v. much for this Jenn! Kerry
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Subject: Re: laser toy

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until she
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Re: laser toy

That's hilarious too! What a wonderful image--2 kits sitting on a stool in
front of the TV waiting for mom to switch it on!
- Original Message -
From: maimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: laser toy

 Ebony and MiTu would sit on the stool in front of the TV when they wanted
me
 to play the video for them.  Ebony would wake me up, make sure I was awake
 then sit on the stool so I understood exactly what he wanted.  They loved
 the video and couldn't get enough.  I just had to make sure there was
 nothing breakable on top of the TV.
 - Original Message -
 From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:26 PM
 Subject: laser toy

  Glad someone mentioned the laser toy--I do use it occasionally because
  it's the one thing that never fails to get my 2 quarantined cats moving.
  But the reason I only use it occasionally is that I worry about the
  frustration element-they think there's something to catch but they can
  never succeed. Ditto those cat videos showing birds etc, with all the
  sound effects. I used to play them, but worried about the cats becoming
  depressed. I'd love to hear other opinions. Is there any reliable info
  out there on how chasing intangible objects affects cats? If I thought
  they were really ok, I'd use them more often. Kerry
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond
  Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:51 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements

  I would be cautious in using laser pointers as toys -
  I know they love it and I bring mine out a couple
  times a year, but it can make some kitties go a little
  nuts.  One of the clinic cats where I take my boys
  lost it after having played with the laser toy and
  kept looking for the red dot to the point she was
  attacking other kitties.  No more lasers and she was
  on meds for a while but is OK now.  Just something to
  keep in mind!

  --- maimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   My alternative vet recommends transfer factor and
   MacroForce for boosting the immune system.  The
   active ingredient in Macro Force is available in
   other brands.  This just happens to be the easiest
   to get in my area of the country.  She also uses
   laser (as has me use a regular laser pointer) on
   various points on the cat's body.  It acts sort of
   like acupuncture.  You would have to get someone to
   show you the points or try to figure it out from the
   internet.  Keep the light out of the eyes.  But
   enjoy running the light in circles around the cat.
   Mine love to chase the little red dot they can't
   catch.  For $20 it is a wonderful toy even if you
   can't figure the alternative med stuff out.   It
   stimulates their interest and gives them exercise
   that has to help their morale.
   - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements

 I do not think that any supplements will help with
   the anemia directly unless it is iron anemia, which
   is very rare in cats and probably is not the case
   with him.  I would put him on 500 mg per day of
   Lysine, split into two doses, and a multi-vitamin
   supplement (like Pet Tinic, which does have iron)
   and maybe switch on and off between echinacea and
   astragalus every week. I would mix them into baby
   food twice per day in small doses and let him eat
   them.  People also rave about Transfer Factor, which
   I have not tried yet, so maybe that as well. I would
   start with one at a time so if he does not want to
   eat the baby food you will know which supplement he
   does not like.
 Michelle

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  living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile.
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Re: petition to evacuate Katrina animal victims




Yes, thanks Tonya. It's heart-breaking to see how the animals 
have been abandoned and evenforcibly taken from their humans. 
Kerry

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 10:11 
  AM
  Subject: Re: petition to evacuate Katrina 
  animal victims
  Thank you Tonya for posting the link to the 
  petition.Ninacatatonya wrote:
  


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/840979272

Re: Wonderful article on laser and other toys