Fleas
One of the FIV group members once told us his flea ridding story and I couldn't stop laughing. He said use a comb which I agree after seeing the horror of topical flea treatments I wouldn't use them on an FIV or FeLV cat again. He said when you get a flea off pop it in some water in a pot with a lid on and when he had them all he put the pot of fleas in water in the microwave for 30 seconds or so for good measure. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel, Angel Bramble
RE: OT:Help - Ghandi (Ceaser) - girardi??
Sorry, I meant giardia (you know me and my spelling problem) Could a 8 week old boy be that sick from it?? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT:Help - Ghandi (Ceaser) - girardi?? I've never heard of girardi... Could it be giardia? that's a fairly common intestinal problem one of the boys had it when they were wee and I don't remember using metronidazole for it - I konw we used Albon at one point, but that might have been for the coccidia that the other boy had. and whatever it was we used did no harm to either boy - this was nearly 7 years ago and they are healthier than ever and very happy Momma is home from her trip:) Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I need your insight Ghandi (I change his name from Ceaser to Ghandi recently) is still not feeling 100% - compared to other kitties, he does not play as much and I am so worried about him.. he does not eat the meal off his plate like others do and they are about 8 or 9 weeks old now Anyway,,, his mommy, Jasmine has girardi (a type of worm), and I have not checked Ghandis stool but I wanted to see if anyone has any experiencing treating girardi in kittens to see if there are any concerns is using the drugs such as metronidazole or fenbendazole (The vet says no.. but you know me I am so cautious and paranoid..) I am also thinking about running a whole panel of blood work on him do you think he is too young to do that?? Jasmine (my AC) says that there are some living things (she thought some type of virus) in his intestants that are giving him sharp pains but I am thinking that it could be girardi?? Any insight is appreciated.. thank you! Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../KIT
i tend to limit my compassion to critters with four or fewer legs. as to why fleas and cockroaches exist--i have NO idea whatsoever, but i do believe that they sit around and laugh at us and our attempts to exterminate them, knowing as they do that that predate us by millenia and can expect to survive long after we are gone from memory! i think spiders are great, in theory, but i'm one of those with an irrational fear of them--has something to do with my being found playing with a black widow on a vacation when i was about 4, i think; family sort of overreacted i don't kill them--part of my fear is that if i get close enough to them to harm them, they can get me first! so every year when they start to appear, i make a deal with them--if they do NOT crawl over me, nor drop down in front of me on their silk, they get to live indoors with me! they, of course, don't seem to realize that even if they do, i'm not really gonna do anything (see above)--or perhaps they're just humoring me. i always loved the, they're more afraid of you than you are of them line: well, i've never seen one of them run screaming from ME! i'm a LOT better now that i used to be--i no longer leave the house when i know there are any in the house, nor jump off of/out of moving vehicles when i see one (did in a bike that way once)--nor do i keep track of their every movement in the house! hee hee had a friend in bangor, ME who called the cops once to get them to come get a big spider out of his house. needless to say, they did NOT respond -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../KIT
TOO FUNNY!TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i tend to limit my compassion to critters with four or fewer legs.as to why fleas and cockroaches exist--i have NO idea whatsoever, but i do believe that they sit around and laugh at us and our attempts to exterminate them, knowing as they do that that predate us by millenia and can expect to survive long after we are gone from memory!i think spiders are great, in theory, but i'm one of those with an irrational fear of them--has something to do with my being found playing with a black widow on a vacation when i was about 4, i think; family sort of overreacted i don't kill them--part of my fear is that if i get close enough to them to harm them, they can get me first! so every year when they start to appear, i make a deal with them--if they do NOT crawl over me, nor drop down in front of me on their silk, they get to live indoors with me! they, of course, don't seem to realize that even if they do, i'm not really gonna do anything (see above)--or perhaps they're just humoring me. i always loved the, "they're more afraid of you than you are of them" line: well, i've never seen one of them run screaming from ME! i'm a LOT better now that i used to be--i no longer leave the house when i know there are any in the house, nor jump off of/out of moving vehicles when i see one (did in a bike that way once)--nor do i keep track of their every movement in the house! hee hee had a friend in bangor, ME who called the cops once to get them to come get a big spider out of his house. needless to say, they did NOT respond-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
RE: OT:Help - Ghandi (Ceaser) - girardi??
I believe so, especially if he's had it for a while. It has had time to establish itself solidly in his system and he's so little (and young) that his immune system isn't that strong.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I meant giardia (you know me and my spelling problem) Could a 8 week old boy be that sick from it?? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:20 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT:Help - Ghandi (Ceaser) - girardi?? I've never heard of girardi... Could it be giardia? that's a fairly common intestinal problem one of the boys had it when they were wee and I don't remember using metronidazole for it - I konw we used Albon at one point, but that might have been for the coccidia that the other boy had. and whatever it was we used did no harm to either boy - this was nearly 7 years ago and they are healthier than ever and very happy Momma is home from her trip:)Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I need your insight Ghandi (I change his name from Ceaser to Ghandi recently) is still not feeling 100% - compared to other kitties, he does not play as much and I am so worried about him.. he does not eat the meal off his plate like others do and they are about 8 or 9 weeks old now Anyway,,, his mommy, Jasmine has girardi (a type of worm), and I have not checked Ghandis stool but I wanted to see if anyone has any experiencing treating girardi in kittens to see if there are any concerns is using the drugs such as metronidazole or fenbendazole (The vet says no.. but you know me I am so cautious and paranoid..) I am also thinking about running a whole panel of blood work on him do you think he is too young to do that?? Jasmine (my AC) says that there are some living things (she thought some type of virus) in his intestants that are giving him sharp pains but I am thinking that it could be girardi?? Any insight is appreciated.. thank you! Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Yahoo! for GoodClick here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../KIT
Title: Message Call the cops for a spider? What a riot! Now, if it were a cockroach I used to vacuum spiders up, so scared was I (and compassion-challenged). I usually leave them alone now (I def. do not vacuum!), and they disappear of their own accord. Mind you, I rarely see huge ones. I think that wd still be scary. Since discovering the existence of roaches, other insects now seem cute and cuddly by comparison. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 11:52 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../KIT TOO FUNNY!TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i tend to limit my compassion to critters with four or fewer legs.as to why fleas and cockroaches exist--i have NO idea whatsoever, but i do believe that they sit around and laugh at us and our attempts to exterminate them, knowing as they do that that predate us by millenia and can expect to survive long after we are gone from memory!i think spiders are great, in theory, but i'm one of those with an irrational fear of them--has something to do with my being found playing with a black widow on a vacation when i was about 4, i think; family sort of overreacted i don't kill them--part of my fear is that if i get close enough to them to harm them, they can get me first! so every year when they start to appear, i make a deal with them--if they do NOT crawl over me, nor drop down in front of me on their silk, they get to live indoors with me! they, of cours! e, don't seem to realize that even if they do, i'm not really gonna do anything (see above)--or perhaps they're just humoring me. i always loved the, "they're more afraid of you than you are of them" line: well, i've never seen one of them run screaming from ME! i'm a LOT better now that i used to be--i no longer leave the house when i know there are any in the house, nor jump off of/out of moving vehicles when i see one (did in a bike that way once)--nor do i keep track of their every movement in the house! hee hee had a friend in bangor, ME who called the cops once to get them to come get a big spider out of his house. needless to say, they did NOT respond-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 Yahoo! for GoodClick here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC
I couldn't agree with you more on the spider issue!! I've also got an irrational fear of them...I wanted to visit Australia at one point...until my boss (an Australian) told me about the size of the spiders they've got over there...that killed any plans to vacation in Australia any time soon...And I can't bring myself to step on them anymore after I killed a black widow spider here at the office. Ironic, yes, but I felt so bad for days after doing the deed...there is a great story my dad told me about his dad...back when my dad was a kid, his dad discovered a black widow in the back yard...instead of disposing of it, he set up a stool next to the web and grabbed a notebook to study its movements...he probably watched that spider for hours on end absolutely fascinated by it! One day, the spider was gone and my grandfather immediately went to my dad thinking that he had done something to it (my grandfather was *so* upset! Dad hadn't gone near the spider, however)! Anyway, after hearing that story, my guilt was only compounded... Anyhoo, I'd like to add fire ants to the list of Why? :) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 11:48 am Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../KIT i tend to limit my compassion to critters with four or fewer legs. as to why fleas and cockroaches exist--i have NO idea whatsoever, but i do believe that they sit around and laugh at us and our attempts to exterminatethem, knowing as they do that that predate us by millenia and can expect to survive long after we are gone from memory! i think spiders are great, in theory, but i'm one of those with an irrational fear of them--has something to do with my being found playingwith a black widow on a vacation when i was about 4, i think; family sort of overreacted i don't kill them--part of my fear is that if i get closeenough to them to harm them, they can get me first! so every year when they start to appear, i make a deal with them--if they do NOT crawl over me, nor drop down in front of me on their silk, they get to live indoors with me! they, of course, don't seem to realize that even if they do, i'm not really gonna do anything (see above)--or perhaps they're just humoring me. i always loved the, they're more afraid of you than you are of them line: well,i've never seen one of them run screaming from ME! i'm a LOT better now that i used to be--i no longer leave the house when i know there are any in the house, nor jump off of/out of moving vehicles when i see one (did in a bike that way once)--nor do i keep track of their every movement in the house! hee hee had a friend in bangor, ME who called the cops once to get them to come get a big spider out of his house. needless to say, they did NOT respond -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC
I love spiders. When I was in graduate school, my apartment was overrun with palmetto bugs which I absolutely hate. One day a large spider moved into my room and the roaches disappeared. The spider would drag the bodies of the roaches to the drain in my bathtub and I could just rinse them down. Eventually, no bugs. Pest control came. Killed the spider. The next day, the bugs were back. Found another spider. Bugs disappeared. Pest control came and bugs were back If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. But then I have always been weird Faye[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't agree with you more on the spider issue!! I've also got anirrational fear of them...I wanted to visit Australia at onepoint...until my boss (an Australian) told me about the size of thespiders they've got over there...that killed any plans to vacation inAustralia any time soon...And I can't bring myself to "step on them"anymore after I killed a black widow spider here at the office. Ironic,yes, but I felt so bad for days after doing the deed...there is a greatstory my dad told me about his dad...back when my dad was a kid, his daddiscovered a black widow in the back yard...instead of "disposing" ofit, he set up a stool next to the web and grabbed a notebook to "study"its movements...he probably watched that spider for hours on endabsolutely fascinated by it! One day, the spider was gone and mygrandfather immediately went to my dad thinking that he had donesomething to it (my grandfather was *so* upset! Dad hadn't gone nearthe spider, however)! Anyway, after hearing that story, my guilt wasonly compounded...Anyhoo, I'd like to add fire ants to the list of "Why?" :)"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will beunique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbecome responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine deSaint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knoweach other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief DanGeorge- Original Message -From: TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 11:48 amSubject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../KIT i tend to limit my compassion to critters with four or fewer legs. as to why fleas and cockroaches exist--i have NO idea whatsoever, but i do believe that they sit around and laugh at us and our attempts to exterminatethem, knowing as they do that that predate us by millenia and can expect to survive long after we are gone from memory! i think spiders are great, in theory, but i'm one of those with an irrational fear of them--has something to do with my being found playingwith a black widow on a vacation when i was about 4, i think; family sort of overreacted i don't kill them--part of my fear is that if i get closeenough to them to harm them, they can get me first! so every year when they start to appear, i make a deal with them--if they do NOT crawl over me, nor drop down in front of me on their silk, they get to live indoors with me! they, of course, don't seem to realize that even if they do, i'm not really gonna do anything (see above)--or perhaps they're just humoring me. i always loved the, "they're more afraid of you than you are of them" line: well,i've never seen one of them run screaming from ME! i'm a LOT better now that i used to be--i no longer leave the house when i know there are any in the house, nor jump off of/out of moving vehicles when i see one (did in a bike that way once)--nor do i keep track of their every movement in the house! hee hee had a friend in bangor, ME who called the cops once to get them to come get a big spider out of his house. needless to say, they did NOT respond -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC
Title: Message If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. That's very interesting--esp about the spider! I have a Q tho---do cats kill roaches?? I have had one roach (abt a month ago)--it wasactually dead when I found it in my hallway, so I didn't freak out. D'you think it could have been one of my cats that killed it? (I have never seen them kill an insect--they just play with it, then get bored and walk away). -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC I love spiders. When I was in graduate school, my apartment was overrun with palmetto bugs which I absolutely hate. One day a large spider moved into my room and the roaches disappeared. The spider would drag the bodies of the roaches to the drain in my bathtub and I could just rinse them down. Eventually, no bugs. Pest control came. Killed the spider. The next day, the bugs were back. Found another spider. Bugs disappeared. Pest control came and bugs were back If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. But then I have always been weird Faye[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't agree with you more on the spider issue!! I've also got anirrational fear of them...I wanted to visit Australia at onepoint...until my boss (an Australian) told me about the size of thespiders they've got over there...that killed any plans to vacation inAustralia any time soon...And I can't bring myself to "step on them"anymore after I killed a black widow spider here at the office. Ironic,yes, but I felt so bad for days after doing the deed...there is a greatstory my dad told me about his dad...back when my dad was a kid, his daddiscovered a black widow in the back yard...instead of "disposing" ofit, he set up a stool next to the web and grabbed a notebook to "study"its movements...he probably watched that spider for hours on endabsolutely fascinated by it! One day, the spider was gone and mygrandfather immediately went to my dad thinking that he had donesomething to it (my grandfather was *so* upset! Dad hadn't gone nearthe spider, however)! Anyway, after hearing that story, my guilt wasonly compounded...Anyhoo, I'd like to add fire ants to the list of "Why?" :)"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will beunique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbecome responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine deSaint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knoweach other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief DanGeorge- Original Message -From: TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 11:48 amSubject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../KIT i tend to limit my compassion to critters with four or fewer legs. as to why fleas and cockroaches exist--i have NO idea whatsoever, but i do believe that they sit around and laugh at us and our attempts to exterminatethem, knowing as they do that that predate us by millenia and can expect to survive long after we are gone from memory! i think spiders are great, in theory, but i'm one of those with an irrational fear of them--has something to do with my being found playingwith a black widow on a vacation when i was about 4, i think; family sort of overreacted i don't kill them--part of my fear is that if i get closeenough to them to harm them, they can get me first! so every year when they start to appear, i make a deal with them--if they do NOT crawl over me, nor drop down in front of me on their silk, they get to live indoors with me! they, of course, don't seem to realize that even if they do, i'm not really gonna do anything (see above)--or perhaps they're just humoring me. i always loved the, "they're more afraid of you than you are of them" line: well,i've never seen one of them run screaming from ME! i'm a LOT better now that i used to be--i no longer leave the house when i know there are any in the house, nor jump off of/out of moving vehicles when i see one (did in a bike that way once)--nor do i keep track of their every movement in the house! hee hee had a friend in bangor, ME who called the cops once to get them to come get a big spider out of his house. needless to say, they did NOT respond -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Yahoo! for GoodClick here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was
Re: OT:Help - Ghandi (Ceaser) - girardi??
Hideyo, When Ursula was about 3 weeks old, (my first bottle baby), she had Coccidia and was treated with Albon, I'm sure it saved her life. I know that kittens and cats get Giardia too, but I'm not sure how it's treated. If I remember correctly, it's from drinking tainted water, (unclean, full of bacteria). It's as dangerous as Coccidia for kittens and they can die from it. They might be able to tell that's what he has from a stool sample, but I also remember hearing that it's not always clear from the test they run. I'll do a search and see what they usually use to treat it. It sure does sound like he's got some sort of intestinal parasite, and that would explain why he doesn't want to eat well. How are his stools? Like I said, I'm having a hard time remembering what the symptoms are between the two parasites, but one of them displays with soft gray colored stool. This is not something to wait and see with, you need to get him treated before he's so weak that his body can't fight it. Do you not trust your vet? I know that Metronidazole, (Flagil), is used for suspected GI parasites. It is a strong antibiotic, but you shouldn't have to use it more than a few days before you start seeing results. I've never heard of fenbendazole. N Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Hi, I need your insight Ghandi (I change his name from Ceaser to Ghandi recently) is still not feeling 100% - compared to other kitties, he does not play as much and I am so worried about him.. he does not eat the meal off his plate like others do and they are about 8 or 9 weeks old now Anyway,,, his mommy, Jasmine has girardi (a type of worm), and I have not checked Ghandis stool but I wanted to see if anyone has any experiencing treating girardi in kittens to see if there are any concerns is using the drugs such as metronidazole or fenbendazole (The vet says no.. but you know me I am so cautious and paranoid..) I am also thinking about running a whole panel of blood work on him do you think he is too young to do that?? Jasmine (my AC) says that there are some living things (she thought some type of virus) in his intestants that are giving him sharp pains but I am thinking that it could be girardi?? Any insight is appreciated.. thank you!
Re: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry
I think it might just depend on the cat! I've heard that all cats have the instinct to catch prey...but they need to learn from their mothers what do do with the prey once they catch it (ie. kill)...whether that's true or not, I don't know...our boys (who were born with silver spoons in their mouths, so-to-speak) are interested in the chase for all of a few minutes before they get bored. Our two girls, on the other hand, who roughed it in the great outdoors when they were younger, are nick-named The Destructors as they aren't satisified until a cockroach is completely dismembered! :) Therefore, if I see a cockroach indoors, I've learned to go for one of the girls as the boys just aren't all that interested! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 1:25 pm Subject: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. That's very interesting--esp about the spider! I have a Q tho---do cats kill roaches?? I have had one roach (abt a month ago)--it was actually dead when I found it in my hallway, so I didn't freak out. D'you think it could have been one of my cats that killed it? (I have never seen them kill an insect--they just play with it, then get bored and walk away). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis Faye Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC I love spiders. When I was in graduate school, my apartment was overrun with palmetto bugs which I absolutely hate. One day a large spider moved into my room and the roaches disappeared. The spider would drag the bodies of the roaches to the drain in my bathtub and I could just rinse them down. Eventually, no bugs. Pest control came. Killed the spider. The next day, the bugs were back. Found another spider. Bugs disappeared. Pest control came and bugs were back If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. But then I have always been weird Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't agree with you more on the spider issue!! I've also got an irrational fear of them...I wanted to visit Australia at one point...until my boss (an Australian) told me about the size of the spiders they've got over there...that killed any plans to vacation in Australia any time soon...And I can't bring myself to step on them anymore after I killed a black widow spider here at the office. Ironic, yes, but I felt so bad for days after doing the deed...there is a great story my dad told me about his dad...back when my dad was a kid, his dad discovered a black widow in the back yard...instead of disposing of it, he set up a stool next to the web and grabbed a notebook to study its movements...he probably watched that spider for hours on end absolutely fascinated by it! One day, the spider was gone and my grandfather immediately went to my dad thinking that he had done something to it (my grandfather was *so* upset! Dad hadn't gone near the spider, however)! Anyway, after hearing that story, my guilt was only compounded... Anyhoo, I'd like to add fire ants to the list of Why? :) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 11:48 am Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../KIT i tend to limit my compassion to critters with four or fewer legs. as to why fleas and cockroaches exist--i have NO idea whatsoever, but i do believe that they sit around and laugh at us and our attempts to exterminatethem, knowing as
Re: OT:Help - Ghandi (Ceaser) - girardi??
Okay, I found fenbendazole it's the generic name for Panacur, a dewormer, it kills hookworms, roundworms and giardia, which are three of the common parasites. Because Giardia is hard to find on fecal exams, vets will use this to rule out what they might have missed. N Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Hi, I need your insight – Ghandi (I change his name from Ceaser to Ghandi recently) is still not feeling 100% - compared to other kitties, he does not play as much and I am so worried about him.. he does not eat the meal off his plate like others do – and they are about 8 or 9 weeks old now… Anyway,,, his mommy, Jasmine has girardi (a type of worm), and I have not checked Ghandi’s stool – but I wanted to see if anyone has any experiencing treating girardi in kittens to see if there are any concerns is using the drugs such as metronidazole or *fenbendazole *(The vet says no.. but you know me – I am so cautious and paranoid..) – I am also thinking about running a whole panel of blood work on him – do you think he is too young to do that?? Jasmine (my AC) says that there are some living things (she thought some type of virus) in his intestants that are giving him sharp pains but I am thinking that it could be girardi?? Any insight is appreciated.. thank you!
Re: RE: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry
I've got the reverse problem...the cockroaches (palmetto bugs, I think...that does sound better than cockroaches) mostly take up residence in our garage, which is fine with me as it *isn't* in the house...however, we have a cat door in the door that connects the garage and house (why the garage is so fascinating, I don't know, but we were losing alot of air-conditioning by constantly having to open the door so the cats could investigate the garage, hence the cat door)...anyhoo, Lola and Mags will catch the cockroaches in the garage...AND THEN proceed to bring them into the house via the cat door to play with them! For some reason, the floor beneath the legs of the kitchen table and chairs is the perfect spot to let a roach go...guess it's fun to actually let the roach think it has a chance by letting it hide behind a leg... But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 1:45 pm Subject: RE: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry Well, that figures---you can always count on the girls! Thanks Jen. Hmmm, I don't think any of mine have the killer instinct. I've seen them all play and walk awayMaybe my 2 feral kits..but that wd mean me having to carry the roach into their room, yeeeuch. That just ain't gonna work!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry I think it might just depend on the cat! I've heard that all cats havethe instinct to catch prey...but they need to learn from their mothers what do do with the prey once they catch it (ie. kill)...whether that'strue or not, I don't know...our boys (who were born with silver spoons in their mouths, so-to-speak) are interested in the chase for all of a few minutes before they get bored. Our two girls, on the other hand, who roughed it in the great outdoors when they were younger, are nick-named The Destructors as they aren't satisified until a cockroachis completely dismembered! :) Therefore, if I see a cockroach indoors, I've learned to go for one of the girls as the boys just aren't all thatinterested! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 1:25 pm Subject: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. That's very interesting--esp about the spider! I have a Q tho---do cats kill roaches?? I have had one roach (abt a month ago)--it was actually dead when I found it in my hallway, so I didn't freak out. D'you think it could have been one of my cats that killed it? (I have never seen them kill an insect--they just play with it, then get bored and walk away). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis Faye Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC I love spiders. When I was in graduate school, my apartment was overrun with palmetto bugs which I absolutely hate. One day a large spider moved into my room and the roaches disappeared. The spider would drag the bodies of the roaches to the drain in my bathtub and I could just rinse them down. Eventually, no bugs. Pest control came. Killed the spider. The next day, the bugs were back. Found another spider. Bugs disappeared. Pest control came and bugs were back If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. But then I have always been weird Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't agree with you more on the spider issue!! I've also got an irrational fear of them...I wanted to visit Australia at one
RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC
Title: Message Your cats sure work for their living! And get plenty of exercise too. They would not be impressed by my bunch of couch potatoes--cute adorable, yes; interested in gainful employment, n. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 2:15 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC Cats do kill roaches but in the south, that is not always enough.Cats are not just a love of mine; they are a necessity. I have to have barn cats. I cannot exist without them because they eliminate the mice from the barn which can cause disease for my horses and feed various poisonous snakes that I also do not want around my horses. My land is surrounded by snakes but I don't have them on my property. My crew do an excellent job. No pest control can begin to do what my cats do so safely and lovingly."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. That's very interesting--esp about the spider! I have a Q tho---do cats kill roaches?? I have had one roach (abt a month ago)--it wasactually dead when I found it in my hallway, so I didn't freak out. D'you think it could have been one of my cats that killed it? (I have never seen them kill an insect--they just play with it, then get bored and walk away). -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC I love spiders. When I was in graduate school, my apartment was overrun with palmetto bugs which I absolutely hate. One day a large spider moved into my room and the roaches disappeared. The spider would drag the bodies of the roaches to the drain in my bathtub and I could just rinse them down. Eventually, no bugs. Pest control came. Killed the spider. The next day, the bugs were back. Found another spider. Bugs disappeared. Pest control came and bugs were back If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. But then I have always been weird Faye[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't agree with you more on the spider issue!! I've also got anirrational fear of them...I wanted to visit Australia at onepoint...until my boss (an Australian) told me about the size of thespiders they've got over there...that killed any plans to vacation inAustralia any time soon...And I can't bring myself to "step on them"anymore after I killed a black widow spider here at the office. Ironic,yes, but I felt so bad for days after doing the deed...there is a greatstory my dad told me about his dad...back when my dad was a kid, his daddiscovered a black widow in the back yard...instead of "disposing" ofit, he set up a stool next to the web and grabbed a notebook to "study"its movements...he probably watched that spider for hours on endabsolutely fascinated by it! One day, the spider was gone and mygrandfather immediately went to my dad thinking that he had donesomething to it (my grandfather was *so* upset! Dad hadn't gone nearthe spider, however)! Anyway, after hearing that story, my guilt wasonly compounded...Anyhoo, I'd like to add fire ants to the list of "Why?" :)"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will beunique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbecome responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine deSaint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knoweach other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief DanGeorge- Original Message -From: TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 11:48 amSubject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../KIT i tend to limit my compassion to critters with four or fewer legs. as to why fleas and cockroaches exist--i have NO idea whatsoever, but i do believe that they sit around and laugh at us and our attempts to exterminatethem, knowing as they do that that predate us by millenia and can expect to survive long after we are gone from memory! i think spiders are great, in theory, but i'm one of those with an irrational fear of them--has something to do with my being found playingwith a black widow on a vacation when i was about 4, i think; family sort of overreacted i don't kill them--part of my fear is that if i get closeenough to them to harm them, they can get me first! so every year when they start to
Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC
you mean like my purrsians? you know, stuffed-cats-who-purr? On 10/5/05, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your cats sure work for their living! And get plenty of exercise too. They would not be impressed by my bunch of couch potatoes--cute adorable, yes; interested in gainful employment, n. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis Faye Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC Cats do kill roaches but in the south, that is not always enough. Cats are not just a love of mine; they are a necessity. I have to have barn cats. I cannot exist without them because they eliminate the mice from the barn which can cause disease for my horses and feed various poisonous snakes that I also do not want around my horses. My land is surrounded by snakes but I don't have them on my property. My crew do an excellent job. No pest control can begin to do what my cats do so safely and lovingly. MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. That's very interesting--esp about the spider! I have a Q tho---do cats kill roaches?? I have had one roach (abt a month ago)--it was actually dead when I found it in my hallway, so I didn't freak out. D'you think it could have been one of my cats that killed it? (I have never seen them kill an insect--they just play with it, then get bored and walk away). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis Faye Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC I love spiders. When I was in graduate school, my apartment was overrun with palmetto bugs which I absolutely hate. One day a large spider moved into my room and the roaches disappeared. The spider would drag the bodies of the roaches to the drain in my bathtub and I could just rinse them down. Eventually, no bugs. Pest control came. Killed the spider. The next day, the bugs were back. Found another spider. Bugs disappeared. Pest control came and bugs were back If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. But then I have always been weird Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't agree with you more on the spider issue!! I've also got an irrational fear of them...I wanted to visit Australia at one point...until my boss (an Australian) told me about the size of the spiders they've got over there...that killed any plans to vacation in Australia any time soon...And I can't bring myself to step on them anymore after I killed a black widow spider here at the office. Ironic, yes, but I felt so bad for days after doing the deed...there is a great story my dad told me about his dad...back when my dad was a kid, his dad discovered a black widow in the back yard...instead of disposing of it, he set up a stool next to the web and grabbed a notebook to study its movements...he probably watched that spider for hours on end absolutely fascinated by it! One day, the spider was gone and my grandfather immediately went to my dad thinking that he had done something to it (my grandfather was *so* upset! Dad hadn't gone near the spider, however)! Anyway, after hearing that story, my guilt was only compounded... Anyhoo, I'd like to add fire ants to the list of Why? :) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 11:48 am Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../KIT i tend to limit my compassion to critters with four or fewer legs. as to why fleas and cockroaches exist--i have NO idea whatsoever, but i do believe that they sit around and laugh at us and our attempts to exterminatethem, knowing as they do that that predate us by millenia and can expect to survive long after we are gone from memory! i think spiders are great, in theory, but i'm one of those with an irrational fear of them--has something to do with my being found playingwith a black widow on a vacation when i was about 4, i think; family sort of overreacted i don't kill them--part of my fear is that if i get closeenough to them to harm them, they can get me first! so every year when they start to appear, i make a deal with them--if they do NOT crawl over me, nor
Re: OT:Help - Ghandi (Ceaser) - girardi??
yep, Panacur is what we used for the boys - they had several rounds of it for various ... passengers. good drug!Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I found "fenbendazole" it's the generic name for Panacur, a dewormer, it kills hookworms, roundworms and giardia, which are three of the common parasites. Because Giardia is hard to find on fecal exams, vets will use this to rule out what they might have missed.NHideyo Yamamoto wrote: Hi, I need your insight Ghandi (I change his name from Ceaser to Ghandi recently) is still not feeling 100% - compared to other kitties, he does not play as much and I am so worried about him.. he does not eat the meal off his plate like others do and they are about 8 or 9 weeks old now Anyway,,, his mommy, Jasmine has girardi (a type of worm), and I have not checked Ghandis stool but I wanted to see if anyone has any experiencing treating girardi in kittens to see if there are any concerns is using the drugs such as metronidazole or *fenbendazole *(The vet says no.. but you know me I am so cautious and paranoid..) I am also thinking about running a whole panel of blood work on him do you think he is too young to do that?? Jasmine (my AC) says that there are some living things (she thought some type of virus) in his intestants that are giving him sharp pains but I am thinking that it could be girardi?? Any insight is appreciated.. thank you!Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
RE: OT:Help - Ghandi (Ceaser) - girardi??
Title: Message This info is fantastic Patti. (Where on earth else could we get such in-depth and speedy expert advice. Certainly not my vets.) Hideyo, praying you find theremedy here to Ghandi's problem. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 2:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT:Help - Ghandi (Ceaser) - girardi?? Hideyo, Hi! I had just finished writing you a LONG, in-depth reply wouldn't you know it??? The darn PC froze up!! So, here I go again.. Giardia is a very serious parasite.Not one to be taken lightly. It is also one of the few that are considered zoonatic ~ meaning it CAN be transmitted to humans. That is why the utmost care must be used when treating these cats (also dogs are susceptible too.) When we have had Giardia, the cats are confined, usually in a SS cage (much easier for cleaning!!) Also, we "suit up", meaning gloves, gowns a foot bleach pad at door Take no chances Anyway, since Ghandi (BTW, LOVE the new name ~ "A greatness of a nation can be judged..., but by the way they treat their animals." Back to topic, since Ghandi is only 8 weeks old, I would hesitate in the use of metronidazole as treatment. It has been known to cause a wide variety of neurological problems when used in kittens. Speaking with first hand knowledge, we had a : "Foster Mom" treat her kits using met. To make a long story short, they all suffered some kind of neurological defects, ranging from head shakes, tremors, seizures,incoordination, falling over, etc. One poor kitten suffered so many side effects, in the end, he suffered "mental incapacites, inability to walk even eat on his own. His quality of life was NIL, and even tho' we are NO-KILL, sadly we felt it would be best to let him regain his former self and helped him over The Bridge. We are NOT the first agency to encounter this... I know my own two vets absolutely refuse to Rx met for kittens...Tooo much evidence documented about adverse "possible side effects". Seeing these first hand, NO WAY WOULD I GIVE TO 8 week old Ghandi!! On the other hand, Panacur is something we have used, with success. We also use that in conjunction w/ Albon, because sometimes, as we have found, coccidia Giardia can go hand-in-hand. Also, it is sometimes quite difficult to get an accurate fecal, as one or the other may be "masked" by the parasite that IS evident. Now, when we have fecals that indicate one or the other, we sent out to a lab. This way, you DO get a definitive diagnosis, of one OR both. Another interesting thing we discovered when "dealing" with the "Giardia Crisis" is that water plays an important part in it's transmission spread, especially thru shelters, catteries multi-cat households. Our facility had our wells checked, LO AND BEHOLD!! Perfect breeding ground for these parasites!! And, although it sounds like a difficult problem to "FIX", believe it or not, CLOROX BLEACH is the solution!!! (Make note: MUST BE CLOROX, generic bleaches will NOT remedy the problem!!!) We treat the wells monthly, and this HAS helped! (Might be a could idea to treat personal wells also, as GIARDIA will strike any water source, does not just target shelters, etc. LOL!!) One thing for sure, I would send out fecal to KNOW exactly what you are dealing with... Like I said, it's not uncommon for only one parasite to show up in a traditional fecal exam done @ vet's office, whereas it is possible other parasites are co-existing. We had a saleman come into the vet's office where I last worked to demonstrate their "latest" advance in fecal diagnosis. It was amazing! We did 2 kinds of the "traditional" fecal tests, ie:flotation, etc. and came up w/ things like roundworm, hooks, tape.occasionally we noted a cocci. However, using "his" equipment, a myriad of parasites showed up that we had absolutely MISSED!!! Among things that showed up on his equipment WERE GIARDIA COCCIDIA!! Now, we did note an occasional cocci using our "outdated" mode, but we had NEVER accurately diagnosed GIARDIA!! So, how many animals did we miss w/ accurate diagnosis??? And, how many did we just guess??? This is NOT a good thing, just shows that not all vets are equipped to deal with the problem of a truely ACCURATE diagnosis. SHAME!! Sad part is, most small veterinary clinics do not have the $$$'s needed to purchase this equipment. (Another reason I think that the veterinary pharmaceutical diagnostic industry will go to all lengths to make sure there is still a NEED for their intervention.) We did NOT have money to purchase equipment, but you best believe we now sent out any fecals that we are "unsure" of.. While replying to this, I also called my homeopathic/holistic vet. She also agreed "wholeheartedly" that the use of METRONIDAZOLE in kittens dose pause dangers. In her practice they
RE: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry
Guess it makes sense--if you want a job done well (keeping their babies alive) you better do it yourself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 2:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry LOL! I wondered about that as well (boy vs. girl)...kind of ironic, too! The nurturers of the animal kingdom are also the most efficient killers! ;) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 2:34 pm Subject: Re: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry or maybe its a girl vs. boy thing. I know in lions the females are the hunters. My boy Quintapus was born to a feral mother, but would spend hours following a bug around the house...prodding it when it stopped. Whereas once I rescued Coebeio, who was an adult stray...that all ended. Quintie would be following a bug in the hallway, Coe would saunter past and SPLAT no fuss, no muss...dead bug, and then keep walking without missing a beat. Quintie would just stare at her the first few times she did it, then would try to block it with his body when he saw her coming then finally would just hiss at her after she killed it. You could just read his accusing look, 'sno fun if its dead!. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it might just depend on the cat! I've heard that all cats have the instinct to catch prey...but they need to learn from their motherswhat do do with the prey once they catch it (ie. kill)...whether that's true or not, I don't know...our boys (who were born with silver spoons in their mouths, so-to-speak) are interested in the chase for all of a few minutes before they get bored. Our two girls, on the other hand, who roughed it in the great outdoors when they were younger, are nick-named The Destructors as they aren't satisified until a cockroachis completely dismembered! :) Therefore, if I see a cockroach indoors, I've learned to go for one of the girls as the boys just aren't all thatinterested! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 1:25 pm Subject: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. That's very interesting--esp about the spider! I have a Q tho---do cats kill roaches?? I have had one roach (abt a month ago)--it was actually dead when I found it in my hallway, so I didn't freak out. D'you think it could have been one of my cats that killed it? (I have never seen them kill an insect--they just play with it, then get bored and walk away). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis Faye Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC I love spiders. When I was in graduate school, my apartment was overrun with palmetto bugs which I absolutely hate. One day a large spider moved into my room and the roaches disappeared. The spider would drag the bodies of the roaches to the drain in my bathtub and I could just rinse them down. Eventually, no bugs. Pest control came. Killed the spider. The next day, the bugs were back. Found another spider. Bugs disappeared. Pest control came and bugs were back If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. But then I have always been weird Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't agree with you more on the spider issue!! I've also got an irrational fear of them...I wanted to visit Australia at one point...until my boss (an Australian) told me about the size of the spiders they've got over there...that killed any plans to vacation in Australia any time soon...And I can't bring myself to step on
RE: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry
Title: Message Hilarious!! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 2:34 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry or maybe its a girl vs. boy thing. I know in lions the females are the hunters. My boy Quintapus was born to a feral mother, but would spend hours following a bug around the house...prodding it when it stopped. Whereas once I rescued Coebeio, who was an adult stray...that all ended. Quintie would be following a bug in the hallway, Coe would saunter past and "SPLAT" no fuss, no muss...dead bug, and then keep walking without missing a beat. Quintie would just stare at her the first few times she did it, then would try to block it with his body when he saw her comingthen finally would just hiss at her after she killed it. You could just read his accusing look, "'sno fun if its dead!". [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it might just depend on the cat! I've heard that all cats havethe instinct to "catch" prey...but they need to learn from their motherswhat do do with the prey once they catch it (ie. kill)...whether that'strue or not, I don't know...our boys (who were born with silver spoonsin their mouths, so-to-speak) are interested in the chase for all of afew minutes before they get bored. Our two girls, on the other hand,who roughed it in the great outdoors when they were younger, arenick-named "The Destructors" as they aren't satisified until a cockroachis completely dismembered! :) Therefore, if I see a cockroach indoors,I've learned to go for one of the girls as the boys just aren't all thatinterested!"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will beunique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbecome responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine deSaint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knoweach other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief DanGeorge- Original Message -From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 1:25 pmSubject: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. That's very interesting--esp about the spider! I have a Q tho---do cats kill roaches?? I have had one roach (abt a month ago)--it was actually dead when I found it in my hallway, so I didn't freak out. D'you think it could have been one of my cats that killed it? (I have never seen them kill an insect--they just play with it, then get bored and walk away). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis Faye Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC I love spiders. When I was in graduate school, my apartment was overrun with palmetto bugs which I absolutely hate. One day a large spider moved into my room and the roaches disappeared. The spider would drag the bodies of the roaches to the drain in my bathtub and I could just rinse them down. Eventually, no bugs. Pest control came. Killed the spider. The next day, the bugs were back. Found another spider. Bugs disappeared. Pest control came and bugs were back If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. But then I have always been weird Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't agree with you more on the spider issue!! I've also got an irrational fear of them...I wanted to visit Australia at one point...until my boss (an Australian) told me about the size of the spiders they've got over there...that killed any plans to vacation in Australia any time soon...And I can't bring myself to "step on them" anymore after I killed a black widow spider here at the office. Ironic, yes, but I felt so bad for days after doing the deed...there is a great story my dad told me about his dad...back when my dad was a kid, his dad discovered a black widow in the back yard...instead of "disposing" of it, he set up a stool next to the web and grabbed a notebook to "study" its movements...he probably watched that spider for hours on end absolutely fascinated by it! One day, the spider was gone and my grandfather immediately went to my dad thinking that he had done something to it (my grandfather was *so* upset! Dad hadn't gone near the spider, however)! Anyway, after hearing that story, my guilt was only compounded... Anyhoo, I'd like to add fire ants to the list of "Why?" :) "But if you tame
Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry
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RE: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry
I think it depends on the cat and THE CAT'S MOOD! The other night my 5 never budged as a water bug (LARGE cockroach) walked across the floor... I on the other hand freaked out and they just kind of went off someplace to go back to sleep! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 2:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../Kerry I think it might just depend on the cat! I've heard that all cats have the instinct to catch prey...but they need to learn from their mothers what do do with the prey once they catch it (ie. kill)...whether that's true or not, I don't know...our boys (who were born with silver spoons in their mouths, so-to-speak) are interested in the chase for all of a few minutes before they get bored. Our two girls, on the other hand, who roughed it in the great outdoors when they were younger, are nick-named The Destructors as they aren't satisified until a cockroach is completely dismembered! :) Therefore, if I see a cockroach indoors, I've learned to go for one of the girls as the boys just aren't all that interested! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 1:25 pm Subject: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. That's very interesting--esp about the spider! I have a Q tho---do cats kill roaches?? I have had one roach (abt a month ago)--it was actually dead when I found it in my hallway, so I didn't freak out. D'you think it could have been one of my cats that killed it? (I have never seen them kill an insect--they just play with it, then get bored and walk away). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis Faye Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC I love spiders. When I was in graduate school, my apartment was overrun with palmetto bugs which I absolutely hate. One day a large spider moved into my room and the roaches disappeared. The spider would drag the bodies of the roaches to the drain in my bathtub and I could just rinse them down. Eventually, no bugs. Pest control came. Killed the spider. The next day, the bugs were back. Found another spider. Bugs disappeared. Pest control came and bugs were back If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. But then I have always been weird Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't agree with you more on the spider issue!! I've also got an irrational fear of them...I wanted to visit Australia at one point...until my boss (an Australian) told me about the size of the spiders they've got over there...that killed any plans to vacation in Australia any time soon...And I can't bring myself to step on them anymore after I killed a black widow spider here at the office. Ironic, yes, but I felt so bad for days after doing the deed...there is a great story my dad told me about his dad...back when my dad was a kid, his dad discovered a black widow in the back yard...instead of disposing of it, he set up a stool next to the web and grabbed a notebook to study its movements...he probably watched that spider for hours on end absolutely fascinated by it! One day, the spider was gone and my grandfather immediately went to my dad thinking that he had done something to it (my grandfather was *so* upset! Dad hadn't gone near the spider, however)! Anyway, after hearing that story, my guilt was only compounded... Anyhoo, I'd like to add fire ants to the list of Why? :) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys.
Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC
LOL. Well do bear in mind, that none of my crew can actually be fired for not doing their job. They have a ton of job security and I do have several that take advantage of that. TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you mean like my purrsians? you know, stuffed-cats-who-purr?On 10/5/05, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Your cats sure work for their living! And get plenty of exercise too. They would not be impressed by my bunch of couch potatoes--cute adorable, yes; interested in gainful employment, n. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis Faye Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC Cats do kill roaches but in the south, that is not always enough. Cats are not just a love of mine; they are a necessity. I have to have barn cats. I cannot exist without them because they eliminate the mice from the barn which can cause disease for my horses and feed various poisonous snakes that I also do not want around my horses. My land is surrounded by snakes but I don't have them on my property. My crew do an excellent job. No pest control can begin to do what my cats do so safely and lovingly. "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. That's very interesting--esp about the spider! I have a Q tho---do cats kill roaches?? I have had one roach (abt a month ago)--it was actually dead when I found it in my hallway, so I didn't freak out. D'you think it could have been one of my cats that killed it? (I have never seen them kill an insect--they just play with it, then get bored and walk away). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis Faye Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC I love spiders. When I was in graduate school, my apartment was overrun with palmetto bugs which I absolutely hate. One day a large spider moved into my room and the roaches disappeared. The spider would drag the bodies of the roaches to the drain in my bathtub and I could just rinse them down. Eventually, no bugs. Pest control came. Killed the spider. The next day, the bugs were back. Found another spider. Bugs disappeared. Pest control came and bugs were back If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. But then I have always been weird Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't agree with you more on the spider issue!! I've also got an irrational fear of them...I wanted to visit Australia at one point...until my boss (an Australian) told me about the size of the spiders they've got over there...that killed any plans to vacation in Australia any time soon...And I can't bring myself to "step on them" anymore after I killed a black widow spider here at the office. Ironic, yes, but I felt so bad for days after doing the deed...there is a great story my dad told me about his dad...back when my dad was a kid, his dad discovered a black widow in the back yard...instead of "disposing" of it, he set up a stool next to the web and grabbed a notebook to "study" its movements...he probably watched that spider for hours on end absolutely fascinated by it! One day, the spider was gone and my grandfather immediately went to my dad thinking that he had done something to it (my grandfather was *so* upset! Dad hadn't gone near the spider, however)! Anyway, after hearing that story, my guilt was only compounded... Anyhoo, I'd like to add fire ants to the list of "Why?" :) "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 11:48 am Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../KIT i tend to limit my compassion to critters with four or fewer legs. as to why fleas and cockroaches exist--i have NO idea whatsoever, but i do believe that they sit around and laugh at us and our attempts to exterminatethem, knowing as they do that that predate us by millenia and can expect to survive long after we are gone from memory! i think spiders are great, in theory, but i'm one of those with an irrational fear of them--has something to do with my being found playingwith a black widow on a vacation when i was about 4, i think; family sort of overreacted i don't kill them--part of my fear is that if i get closeenough to them to harm them, they can get me
Re: fleas/ferals - Capstar
nina, we just got some just-out-of-date donated by a local vet--call and ask around! On 10/5/05, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for pointing out Capstar, I did a bit of research on it and it does seem like at least a good temporary relief for fleas for my feral colony. The problem is that it needs to be prescribed by a vet, (can't figure out why this should be given the safety indicated in studies). Has anyone found an online source where it can be ordered w/o a prescription??? I find this so terribly annoying. Nina Kat wrote: Hi Lohna, I also have a few house ferals - can't touch them with a comb, can't even put the Frontline drops on them - so my vet gave me tablets called CapStar. For non-ferals, you can just pop one tab down their throats - for the ferals, I have to crush the tab and hide it in really smelly/great tasting kitty food. CapStar works within 30 minutes to one hour to kill all the fleas on the cat, and it gets processed out of the cat's system within 48 hours. So at my house, I use the Frontline on all of my healthy non-ferals, and for the ferals I use the CapStar. Good Luck with Kittypoo. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Lohna Esteb wrote: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 21:38:50 -0400 From: Lohna Esteb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: fleas I'm somewhat new to the list. I imagine it's important how you get rid of fleas on a kitty with feline leukemia, also a feral. This is kittypoo. She is indoors. Any advice? Lohna -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
