Re: Great news about my court case
Hooray for Merry and Michelle too! I Michelle don't try to downplay your help. Just having your ideas as an attorney have helped Hideyo hang in there. It sounds like finding Merry was a Godsend. I hope all of this pans out. It's sad (no offense intended to any attorneys or those in enforcement). but it IS sad how easily 'regular' people can be treated in these situations. Most people are very rightly afraid of going to jail and afraid of the large attorney fees that add up so quickly. It's certainly not one of America's 'best' systems, but then people in other countries have no 'system' at all. It's easy to say I would fight if this happened to me. But if it came to criminal charges that might land me in jail, or court/attorney costs that might cause me to lose my home anyway. I don't know what I'd do. I admire anyone who will stand up for what is right in these kinds of situations!! Go Hideyo!tonyaNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HOORAY for Merry too!! And of course let's not forget your part in all this. Michelle, (don't argue with me), please take a bow.N[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Merry, Hideyo's attorney, called me yesterday to tell me what her hopes are for the case (I had referred Hideyo to her) and said she was so glad that I referred Hideyo to her because she had seen several people harrassed by animal control in Albuquerque into giving up their cats and she could not get those people to fight back because they were so intimidated by the criminal charges, etc. She was so glad to meet Hideyo and see someone willing to stand up to animal control, and to be able to help her get rid of the bad ordinance (still not final, but she seems very hopeful). She is so impressed by how feisty, energetic, and smart Hideyo is, and so happy to be working with her.MichelleIn a message dated 1/7/2006 2:20:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know, Hideyo mentioned about how other caring people have had to relinquish/find homes for their animals when faced with animal control regulations about numbers. I've heard of abominable stories from other rescuers too. I remember listening in horror as one very dedicated woman told me about having to pts several cats that were sick/old that no one else would take. I don't care what I would have had to do, that would not have happened in my house! Hideyo is such an inspiration to all of us. It just goes to show you what can be accomplished, when you dig your heels in and just say NO! She may be the groundbreaking force in changing the ordinances in her town and, who knows, maybe an example for other states to follow. I don't want to jinx anything here, I know Hideyo's trials and tribulations are far from over, but isn't it just amazing what she's done so far? I don't know what I'd have done in her place, I'd probably be posting from some underground hidden location, if I were her. She instead has chosen to hold her ground and fight for herself, her furchildren, and all of us that pray for the day that animals are no longer treated as "property" and are finally given the respect and rights due to the loved ones they are. HOORAY for Hideyo!!!Nina
Re: Have epogen for Fu - what to do next?
Bonnie,Did you get on the hyper-t yahoo group yet? They are very knowledgeable with hyper-t, tapazole, and the effects of both on the kidneys, anemia, etc. They might have some ideas for you. Thinking of you and Fu.tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:HI, Belinda. Yes, fluids do thin the blood and worsen the effects of anemia. They are still necessary sometimes, though, if they are not drinking, though if he has no kidney or liver problems and you are syringing food he probab-ly can do without fluids for a few days, I would think.Have you asked your vet about giving a dex shot? They really do make them feel better, often even if they are really really sick. The only time I have seen a dex shot not make them feel better is on the last day of life, when nothing helps. It is sort of a miracle drug, and the vet who taught me about it told me that most terminally ill humans are put on dex shots when they get into discomfort. I am not saying this because I think Bailey is dying or anything, just to explain how good dex is at making them feel better physically and psychologically. It also helps with anemia sometimes, depending on the cause.Here's hoping Bailey feels better really soon, MichelleIn a message dated 1/7/2006 10:07:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I haven't noticed any change, he stills sleeps ALL day, won't eat a bite and looks at me with that why are you doing this to me look. I'm wondering now if I shouldn't have stopped his fluids because I read somewhere that fluids also thin the blood out? I didn't give him fluids yesterday because he seems to be getting weaker and weaker even though he is getting fed, and he is getting plenty of fluids from the food I give him. I suppose it could be the anemia getting worse ... Time to weight him and have breakfast.
Re: Have epogen for Fu - what to do next?
Tonya, I don't think I'm on that one yet. The Epogen seems to have perked Fu up a little bit - I'm just hoping now that he'll make it through the next few days. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, January 8, 2006 4:31 am Subject: Re: Have epogen for Fu - what to do next? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Bonnie, Did you get on the hyper-t yahoo group yet? They are very knowledgeable with hyper-t, tapazole, and the effects of both on the kidneys, anemia, etc. They might have some ideas for you. Thinking of you and Fu. tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI, Belinda. Yes, fluids do thin the blood and worsen the effects of anemia. They are still necessary sometimes, though, if they are not drinking, though if he has no kidney or liver problems and you are syringing food he probab-ly can do without fluids for a few days, I would think. Have you asked your vet about giving a dex shot? They really do make them feel better, often even if they are really really sick. The only time I have seen a dex shot not make them feel better is on the last day of life, when nothing helps. It is sort of a miracle drug, and the vet who taught me about it told me that most terminally ill humans are put on dex shots when they get into discomfort. I am not saying this because I think Bailey is dying or anything, just to explain how good dex is at making them feel better physically and psychologically. It also helps with anemia sometimes, depending on the cause. Here's hoping Bailey feels better really soon, Michelle In a message dated 1/7/2006 10:07:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I haven't noticed any change, he stills sleeps ALL day, won't eat a bite and looks at me with that why are you doing this to me look. I'm wondering now if I shouldn't have stopped his fluids because I read somewhere that fluids also thin the blood out? I didn't give him fluids yesterday because he seems to be getting weaker and weaker even though he is getting fed, and he is getting plenty of fluids from the food I give him. I suppose it could be the anemia getting worse ... Time to weight him and have breakfast.
Re: Vitamin C for leukemia?
Unlike with humans, most anemia in cats is not related to poor iron absorption. Most cats with anemia are absorbing enough iron but having trouble with their bone marrow or their kidneys or their spleen. While feeding some liver should not hurt (though be careful because cats can get vitamin A poisoning from too much liver), I do not think it will help the anemia itself. If the anemia is from cancer in the bone marrow, probably only steroids and/or chemo will help. If it is from kidney disfunction, you probably need to use Epogen. If it is bacteria,an antibiotic. If you are looking for natural solutions, look at the articles on Immuno-Regulin on this group's website. It is a bacteria that gets injected IV and stimulates the immune system. Some of us on the group have used it and found it very effective at helping cats get over respiratory infections and boosting low white blood cell counts. While none of us have used it for anemia yet, the articles suggest it is helpful sometimes with positive cats who are anemic. You can order it online without a prescription if your vet does not carry it,from Revival Animal Health, but a vet or vet tech has to give it because it needs to be given intravenously (though one person on this list said she had success giving it subcutaneously). Michelle In a message dated 1/8/2006 12:55:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: elizabeth, I'm going on what i've always thought to be true about anemia. The best is boost the oxygen-carrying capacity, so coked liver is good or iron and B vitamins. Be careful with the vitamins though a little goes a long way. Defective production of red blood cells by the bone marrow may lead to tumors, which sounds like Tiggies problem. How long has she been anemic? I would feed her one ounce of liver a day for one or two weeks. Hope that helps..Erin
Re: Great news about my court case
No offense taken. Merry and I actually talked for a while about this very thing-- how the city attorney and the city council started acting differently once Merry announced to them she was going to take the case and put together a team of lawyers to fight it. She said the "team" was going to be her, the criminal attorney Hideyo found, and Hideyo's boyfriend, but she did not say that to the city people. She just said a "team" would be litigating it, and she said they all seemed very surprised and then started acting cooperative. I myself, in my jobs as a legal aid lawyer, have seen over and over how differently people with lawyers are treated. It is really shocking and appalling. One of my jobs right now entails going through and reading most of the hearing decisions that come out of the MA (I am telecommuting) welfare system (administrative appeal decisions) to try to get a sense of systemic problems that are occurring and to post relevant decisions on a website where legal aid lawyers can see and use them. Most of the decisions are in cases where the person did not have a lawyer. There are so many decisions that are denied appeals, where if the person had had a lawyer I know they would have won because they were completely in the right. It makes me very depressed. Michelle In a message dated 1/8/2006 5:19:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's sad (no offense intended to any attorneys or those in enforcement). but it IS sad how easily 'regular' people can be treated in these situations.
Re Tiggie´s anemia
First of all, thank you Michelle, Erin and Nina for answering so quickly. I´ll try to answer your questions. We don´t know how long she´s been anemic, ´though she was diagnosed FELV+ I think about a month ago. When we took her in for emergency surgery just before new year´s eve, the vet showed me how her tongue was really pale, etc. Nina, I promise to tell you all more about Tiggie and our family- we live in southern Spain and rescued her by a roadside inn- but I´ve got to run now. Tommorrow morning we have another appointment with the wonderful vet who did her emergency surgery- she´s been mainstream but is also holistic now- and I´ll give her everyone´s postings and see what we can come up with. Many, many thanks to you all, and I´ll report back tom. Cheers, Elizabeth Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP.
Re: Great news about my court case - get yourself a lawyer
It's so true about people who have attorneys being treated differently. This is not a very significant example, but it opened my eyes to this very fact and changed the way I pursue disputes. On one of the many relocations of my youth, I actually had a job waiting for me in NY city. The company I would be working for paid for my moving expenses and I hired Mayflower to haul my stuff from CA to NJ. I had neatly marked all my boxes and when the drivers arrived they wouldn't wait for me to inspect all the boxes. I signed off, but I included a note saying that I had not inspected everything. Sure enough several of the boxes marked "tools" were missing. (Another lesson is to mark your boxes in code!). My significant other and I fought for months with the moving company, through phone calls and letters, each time they would put us off. (We were insured for loss and damage btw). Finally we spoke to an attorney about it. While we were in the attorney's office, after a 10 minute conversation mind you, he picked up the phone and that quick we were okayed a check to cover our losses! Made me want to spit! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense taken. Merry and I actually talked for a while about this very thing-- how the city attorney and the city council started acting differently once Merry announced to them she was going to take the case and put together a team of lawyers to fight it. She said the "team" was going to be her, the criminal attorney Hideyo found, and Hideyo's boyfriend, but she did not say that to the city people. She just said a "team" would be litigating it, and she said they all seemed very surprised and then started acting cooperative. I myself, in my jobs as a legal aid lawyer, have seen over and over how differently people with lawyers are treated. It is really shocking and appalling. One of my jobs right now entails going through and reading most of the hearing decisions that come out of the MA (I am telecommuting) welfare system (administrative appeal decisions) to try to get a sense of systemic problems that are occurring and to post relevant decisions on a website where legal aid lawyers can see and use them. Most of the decisions are in cases where the person did not have a lawyer. There are so many decisions that are denied appeals, where if the person had had a lawyer I know they would have won because they were completely in the right. It makes me very depressed. Michelle
Re: Patches and Bupenephrine (sp?)
Janine, I had just received Feline Futures raw food supplement mix in the mail when you sent that email, and started transitioning them to raw today. I had heard it helps with cystitis and struvite crystals, which patches has, as well as loose stool, which Lucy has. Patches also is having a lot of tooth pain right now and is scheduled for dental surgery on Wednesday, so it is hard to get her to eat right now. That is what the pain killer shots are for. But she did eat a little of the raw today mixed with some canned S/O (she would not eat the raw plain yet). Lucy liked the raw plain, and Ginger would only eat it mixed with a little baby food, but then loved it. I will let you all know how they do on it. With Patches, though, I am not sure I will really know until her dental problem is dealt with. It was very helpful to hear from you that the raw diet cleared up your guy's cystitis, though. Thanks! Thanks, Michelle
Re: Patches and Bupenephrine (sp?)
Janine, one question: I use slippery elm often for stomach and intestinal upsets, but have never used it for urinary tract upsets. It doesn't make the ph of the urine more basic? Patches has really high ph-- 8.5, much too basic. Thanks, Michelle
Re: Vitamin C for leukemia?
Hi, My Bandy has anemia...and is Felv and FIV+. I have given him alot of things since Aug..so I don't really know what is working...I know something must be though. I really try to make sure he gets Co Q10 once a day..10mg..and for sure on all meals bovine colostrum. It is a very good immune stimulant that someone told me about at the FIV group...The CoQ10 helps with oxygen utilization as my heart kitty needs this too...I buy supplement from onlynaturalpet.com...they have some really good ones that have met most of Bandy's needs.. I give him folic acid which I bought at the health food store..800mcg...I sprinkle it on his food...so 1 capsule will last all day...You don't want to over do it so I figure since 2 other kitties eat with Bandy, they are all getting some...His PCV was up this last time. He had been on folic acid about 2 weeks prior to his last blood work.. I am going to start him on DMG tablets next week...to see if that won't help, too..I forget who told me about it. It supports the immune system, promotes oxygen utilization, improves cardio function, supports liver function and supports ocular health...Since I have a heart kitty, too...I try to keep the supplements that will benefit both of them...They are best buddies (eat and sleep together) I had Little Rascal checked, too when I found out about Bandy's 2 viruses and Lil Rascal is negative for both...So who knows about all that either... Hope this helps some, Good luck with your kitty, kerry and bandy Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP.
Re: Patches and Bupenephrine (sp?)
MIchelle, I honestly don't know if the SE effects the PH, but I'm pretty sure grain does. When Benjamin blocked, I got really scared about what to feed him. I really didn't like the vet-recommended food but I needed someone I respected to tell me it was OK to take the jump and feed him raw, so I sent Michelle at www.blakkatz.com an email. She's so smart about why to feed a raw diet, and she replied, and I took the jump. And sure enough, all of it makes perfect (common) sense. Benjamin is a tough cat to handle, (biker in a previous life) and horrible at the vet. They sedated him, put in the catheter, IV's, E - collar and next morning, he had removed EVERYTHING, and was really, really mad - they were relieved when I took him home - bad candidate to make a mistake on! But, it's the idiopathic cystitis I'm more confident using SE on, not the high Ph kind. The high Ph and crystals is what I'd feed the raw diet for tho. And once they start eating it, it's a big hit. We used to make a huge bowl of it, plop it out to all the dishes, it was gone in 5 minutes. The big bonus when you have a lot of cats to feed, is the litter boxes are so much easier to clean, so much less smell!!! and much less waste cuz they are actually using what they are eating. And they don't drink as much water either, because they don't need to, which, as desert animals, is how they are supposed to be. I used to use Feline Future and I think it's fine. I eventually followed the whole chicken leg diet, bone and all through the grinder from catnutrition.org. I'd also retest his urine at home with those little pellets in a plastic jar. I understand nerves can make the Ph higher too and vets = nerves. I thought I heard something about Ph strips once but don't remember where. I would think at-home Ph watch would be a good idea, for peace of mind if nothing else. I don't know why the SE wouldn't soothe irritated membranes even if it was high Ph and crystals and I think if I go through that again, I would try it. It just doesn't make any sense that all these cats would have so many UTI, diabetes, middle age kidney failure, thyroid, -and-everything-else- problems and they've been on the planet for thousands years. Why would nature make an animal like that? I think it's how we feed them. And maybe over vaccinating too? As far as Evo, the dry food without grain, well, it's still dry and I still don't like it. If you pour a little water over Evo, won't the Evo suck the water up? So what happens in a cat's (desert-evolved) body? Sorry so long, just bugs me! Janine --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Janine, one question: I use slippery elm often for stomach and intestinal upsets, but have never used it for urinary tract upsets. It doesn't make the ph of the urine more basic? Patches has really high ph-- 8.5, much too basic. Thanks, Michelle
Re: Patches and Bupenephrine (sp?)
Thanks for all the info. If that is true about stress making the ph higher, then that could be an explanation with Patches. Her teeth are hurting her terribly (so much she is on narcotic shots twice a day until her dental surgery on Wednesday). I thought it was just a bad coincidence that she developed the urinary tract problem at the same time as her teeth getting really painful, but maybe the pain from her teeth stressed her so much it caused her urine ph to go up. Anyway, we are off on our raw adventure. I hope we have good luck with it. I was nervous about feeding raw because they are FeLV+ and some people who feed raw say not to feed it to cats who are immune-compromised. But a holistic vet answered someone else's question about this on the Best Friends website and said it is ok and probably immune enhancing, so I am trying it. Is Benjamin FeLV+? If not, do you feed raw to your FeLV+ cat/s? Michelle In a message dated 1/8/2006 9:08:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I understand nerves canmake the Ph higher too and vets = nerves. I
Re: Patches and Bupenephrine (sp?)
I don't have any FeLV cats here now, but I did have a FeLv kitten for 6 months here, and I started him on raw immediately. He came in pretty sick too. He eventually went into a foster home with a positive room, and he was so much happier with company, but when here, he ate that raw like there was no tomorrow, and he had a very excellent coat. Never had a problem with t he raw with him at all. I also had an FIV cat who was symptomatic when I trapped him - 8 yrs old, horrible gingivitis/stomatitis - starving but screamed when he ate. I fed him raw, sometimes off my fingers, and treated him with homeopathy before he finally succumbed to cancer 2 yrs later. But those 2 yrs were so perfect, and for the most part, he was very comfortable and very active. Before all that, I had an old girl I fostered. Little thing, bad temperment, in CRF. I took away her dry food, and fed her a premium, HIGH PROTEIN canned food and she died years later from cancer, not CRF. I didn't think she could take raw food at the time, but I would not hesitate to feed raw to a cat like her now. When I fed raw, I was careful. I bought the freshest meat I could find and usually free-range, followed a diet whether Feline Future, blakkatz, or catnutrition. My cats had maybe 1/2 hr to eat it, then all bowls were picked up, which wasn't a problem because they all ate it immediately. No dry food in-between, just breakfast and dinner. And hugs between meals. No one was fat, everyone had a beautiful coat and good breath. Also have one cat with what I think is IBD, but she never once vomited on raw. No kitten diarreah either from all those just-trapped kittens, and those kittens attacking the raw was something to be seen! Other than that, I'm a long time vegetarian! But cats are not. Janine --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for all the info. If that is true about stress making the ph higher, then that could be an explanation with Patches. Her teeth are hurting her terribly (so much she is on narcotic shots twice a day until her dental surgery on Wednesday). I thought it was just a bad coincidence that she developed the urinary tract problem at the same time as her teeth getting really painful, but maybe the pain from her teeth stressed her so much it caused her urine ph to go up. Anyway, we are off on our raw adventure. I hope we have good luck with it. I was nervous about feeding raw because they are FeLV+ and some people who feed raw say not to feed it to cats who are immune-compromised. But a holistic vet answered someone else's question about this on the Best Friends website and said it is ok and probably immune enhancing, so I am trying it. Is Benjamin FeLV+? If not, do you feed raw to your FeLV+ cat/s? Michelle In a message dated 1/8/2006 9:08:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I understand nerves can make the Ph higher too and vets = nerves.I
