Re: Bailey Update - pathologist report
Yes. Combo shots of dex and depo. Depo is long-term and sort of instead of pred, can last about a month. I am not sure I would even ask about Depo though at this point. If he is improving on low doses of pred I think I would try the higher doses. The thing about Depo is that it stays in the system so long, if there is a bad reaction of any sort there is nothing you can do until it plays itself out. There are not usually any bad reactions short-term (a few months, 6 months, whatever) but longer term it can cause diabetes, etc. If bailey has the potential to be here longer, I would try the pred for now. I would try dex before depo because, while initially much stronger, it is out of the system in 24 hours. Michelle In a message dated 1/24/2006 1:47:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, I asked her about the wrong thing I meant to ask her about depo, wasn't that the other thing that you used that helped Simon?
Fwd: Lucy and Periactin-- how long can side effects last?
misaddressed this the first time... ---BeginMessage--- I gave Lucy 1 mg of Periactin (half the normal dose) yesterday at about 5 pm to see if it would make her more interested in eating the foods that are good for her. I had never given it to her before. Starting a few hours later she began acting kind of weird, sort of out of it and a little uncoordinated. She purrs when I pet her, tries to play but does not get very far, can jump but stumbles a little on landing, and has a sort of glazed look. She eats baby food hungrily. But she seems a little zombie-like. I totally chalked this up to the Periactin, because I know that some cats have reactions to it (my Josephine was almost comatosed from it and i thought she was dying the first time she got it-- turned out she could only handle 1/6 of a pill). But it is now 7 am, 14 hours after she got the Periactin, and she is still like this. I am assuming this is still the Periactin, but it seems like a long time. My question is this: Does anyone know how long the side effects can last? MaybeI should be more concerned, but it seems too coincidental that she got like this for the first time a few hours after getting Periactin for the first time. Thanks, Michelle ---End Message---
Re: Bailey Update - pathologist report
Michelle, Yes I think I will stick with the pred for now, something is working and I don't want to upset the apple cart. His bottom is looking a bit better, but now Joey has the runs too (he sneaks the AD while I'm getting Bailey's food ready, it's probably pretty rich for him). Bailey is still pretty much laying around all day but he is not hiding under or behind things and is moving around more than he has in the last two or three weeks. :) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: Joining
Title: Message Welcome Paula---feel free to ask all and any Qs. I'm sorry to hear your news, but you'll find this is a wonderfully informed, kindand supportive group. What is your kitten's name? Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paula Auerbach SteinSent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:18 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Joining I'd like to join this discussion since I've just been told my kitten of 6 months if FeLeuk + =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Subject: Bailey - Update
Belinda That sounds very promising. I know that Epoygen takes time to work I heard from people on the anemia group that sometimes the blood goes down but you don't want it to go up too fast too soon so sounds like Bailey is on the right side of the track. As for the clindamycine, Bamama got the runs from that in fact most of my cats after a few days get the runs when I have to use it. Not sure but most of my cats have a problem with it. 3 out of 4 had a problem when I used it and had the same effect the runs. Go Bailey! Carla Message: 12 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:50:00 -0800 From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bailey - Update To: FeLV Talk List [New] felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi All, I just took Bailey in to the vet because his bottom is so sore, inflamed, red and poop oozing out (sorry to be so graphic), we are taking him off the clindamycine and she wanted me to take him off the doxy but I'm not going to. I am going to give him a break from all the supps except pet tinic and metamucil. She gave me something called gastriplex to help replace the good bacteria the antibiotics are killing off and he is going back on azithromycin as of tomorrow, had to order it. I have been praying for a miracle all weekend, asking my guides, angels, parents, everyone to help Bailey feel better and help with the anemia. Somebody is listening, his HCT is up to 23% from 15%, he has been on the epogen for three weeks and it actually went down from 18% to 15% before it started coming up. My vet feels it is an accuarate reading (she said dehydration can cause an inaccurate number but because his protein also went down from 7.2 to 6.4 he is not dehydrated). We still have not heard from the pathologist, but she said she is going to bug them until she hears something. Bailey is still lethargic but I attribute that to his bottom being so sore and the diarrhea, he probably just doesn't feel too good, but thankfully things are going in the right direction. He is getting plently of food and weighted 8lbs 12oz on her scale, a gain from 8lbs 6oz on mine yesterday, not sure how accurate that is, her scale is usually 1 oz more than mine, but he is not losing! I was totally prepared for her to tell me he needed a transfusion. So I feel much better now than I did a few hours ago :) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ...
Subject: Re: Lucy-- refusing raw food now
Hi Michelle, When my was anemic and wouldn't eat I tried raw she really didnt like it most of my cats do not some do. My homepathic vet told me that I should not feed raw to a fiv/felv cat. That it's better to blanch it and feed semi raw. Now I know some vets say yes and some say no. Depending on the vet. You may try and blanch 1st and see if that helps and work up to less and less cooked, you know try fully cooked then semi and then raw and mix it together also I did that when I wanted to get a cat to eat raw if they don't raw then little by little less and less cooked. Carla
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Re: Joining
Welcome to the group Paula. This is a wonderful group, so full of knowledge and kindness. You will find most of the info. you'll need, if not all, regarding FeLV here. Let us know if you need anything. I recommend reading archived posts on various subjects (ie. diet, supplements, etc.) to get an idea of what to do/expect. :) Wendy --- Paula Auerbach Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to join this discussion since I've just been told my kitten of 6 months if FeLeuk + __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bailey - Update
Belinda, I am so happy to hear the great news that Bailey's HCT is up! How wonderful! And he's getting plenty of nourishment too! I understand you are worried about the diarrhea. Hopefully, that will get under control soon, and he can start feeling like his old self again! I will pray that the diarrhea stops asap! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Pekoe - Dental Work
Marlene, I have no expertise on dental work in kitties, but am offering prayers for your sweet Pekoe. I hope all turns out well for him. Please keep us posted on his progress. :) Wendy --- Marlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, First of all, my condolences to all of you who have lost a beloved furbaby, and my best wishes to all who are caring for ill ones. I haven't posted in many months, since we lost our sweet little Digby to FelV last May. I mostly lurk and have kept up with the posts on a daily basis. Since last May, Pekoe (FelV+) has been doing wonderfully well - until this past weekend. Just to refresh, Pekoe is a little over 2 yrs. old, and was diagnosed with FelV almost a year ago at the age of about 15 mos. At that time, he was anaemic from Hemobartonellosis and was successfully treated with Doxycycline. This past weekend, I caught him licking the concrete floor in the basement, and - you know what I thought/suspected!! Everything else about him was completely normal - appetite, litter box habits, activity level. We took him to the vet clinic this morning (his regular vet was off). They ran a PCV (Hematocrit) and it was 30% (Normal reference range 24 - 45%). They also sent off some blood work to their Animal Health Lab and the results will be back tomorrow. They'll be checking for Hemobart as well. Fortunately, we took Pekoe last June to have some baseline blood work done (everything was pretty good), so they'll at least have something to compare his recent results to. The vet today checked him out - Temp. was normal, etc. When she checked his mouth/teeth, she noted that a couple of teeth may have to be extracted - a tiny incisor on the upper Rt. beside his fang tooth, and a larger tooth on the upper Lt. side 2nd from the back tooth. He'll also need a dental cleaning. We questioned starting on Doxycycline anyway, but she didn't seem convinced (and frankly neither was I) that this is Hemobart related. He isn't acting at all the way he did when he had the Hemobart before. We even discussed the possibility that there might be something on the concrete floor that he may be attracted to, because he only licks in a certain area and no where else. To be honest, I'm a little baffled? We have an appointment with his regular vet on Thurs. to discuss everything pertaining to the dental work. Of course, my first concern is with him being under anaesthetic, and what that might trigger. I know that our clinic uses Isofluorane. It's been quite a while since we've had any experience with a cat having dental work. The last time was with our Casper who was 16 at the time, and developed CRF shortly after a dental. He lived to be almost 20 1/2 yrs. old with our treatment of his CRF. Needless to say, I have a multitude of questions for our vet with regard to dental surgery on a FelV+ cat. I've already compiled a list of questions, but would invite everyone's thoughts/questions on the matter. Marlene (Pekoe Angel Digby) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Pekoe - Dental Work
Marlene, Also, this week someone posted a great article on a medical study regarding the use of Vitamin C (certain types, not all types) on FeLV kitties. I can't remember the name of it or who posted it (Belinda maybe?), but it's very interesting. Can someone repost the link to the article for Marlene and any other newbies? Thanks! Wendy --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marlene, In the past when I've had to deal with this it really just depended on what was worse. Yes, the dental could cause problems due the fact that Pekoe is positive. But yes, so could bad teeth if an infection develops. In these cases I have always just had to talk to the vet and then make a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' type decision. As far as anemia, I would be concerned about Pekoe licking the concrete whether or not it shows up in the bloodwork. If the bloodwork showed nothing at all I'd at least get Pekoe on a good multi-vitamin (if you're not already doing supplements). Let us know how the bloodwork turns out. tonya Marlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, First of all, my condolences to all of you who have lost a beloved furbaby, and my best wishes to all who are caring for ill ones. I haven't posted in many months, since we lost our sweet little Digby to FelV last May. I mostly lurk and have kept up with the posts on a daily basis. Since last May, Pekoe (FelV+) has been doing wonderfully well - until this past weekend. Just to refresh, Pekoe is a little over 2 yrs. old, and was diagnosed with FelV almost a year ago at the age of about 15 mos. At that time, he was anaemic from Hemobartonellosis and was successfully treated with Doxycycline. This past weekend, I caught him licking the concrete floor in the basement, and - you know what I thought/suspected!! Everything else about him was completely normal - appetite, litter box habits, activity level. We took him to the vet clinic this morning (his regular vet was off). They ran a PCV (Hematocrit) and it was 30% (Normal reference range 24 - 45%). They also sent off some blood work to their Animal Health Lab and the results will be back tomorrow. They'll be checking for Hemobart as well. Fortunately, we took Pekoe last June to have some baseline blood work done (everything was pretty good), so they'll at least have something to compare his recent results to. The vet today checked him out - Temp. was normal, etc. When she checked his mouth/teeth, she noted that a couple of teeth may have to be extracted - a tiny incisor on the upper Rt. beside his fang tooth, and a larger tooth on the upper Lt. side 2nd from the back tooth. He'll also need a dental cleaning. We questioned starting on Doxycycline anyway, but she didn't seem convinced (and frankly neither was I) that this is Hemobart related. He isn't acting at all the way he did when he had the Hemobart before. We even discussed the possibility that there might be something on the concrete floor that he may be attracted to, because he only licks in a certain area and no where else. To be honest, I'm a little baffled? We have an appointment with his regular vet on Thurs. to discuss everything pertaining to the dental work. Of course, my first concern is with him being under anaesthetic, and what that might trigger. I know that our clinic uses Isofluorane. It's been quite a while since we've had any experience with a cat having dental work. The last time was with our Casper who was 16 at the time, and developed CRF shortly after a dental. He lived to be almost 20 1/2 yrs. old with our treatment of his CRF. Needless to say, I have a multitude of questions for our vet with regard to dental surgery on a FelV+ cat. I've already compiled a list of questions, but would invite everyone's thoughts/questions on the matter. Marlene (Pekoe Angel Digby) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bailey update - pathologist report
Hi Belinda, It does sound like a good report for Bailey..I just wanted you to know what Bandy's cytology report said...I don't think I have ever posted it here. Cytologic Diagnosis: Severe erythroid hypoplasia with normal myeloid maturation; megakaryocytes present with normal maturation... I still haven't understood all of this, and I need to go post it at the anemia group as those people really seem to know alot about all of this... One other thing the oncologist said was that kitties with Felv frequently develope severe anemias with no evidence of regeneration..and she was surprised that his PCV was as high as it was or is.. but that the marrow suppression is often worsened by co-infection with FIV..She advised at that time for us to discontinue epogen injections because of delayed anemia due to antibodies of the human recombinant epogen that cross react with feline erythropoietin. It is reversible when epogen is stopped if caught early enough...That is really all I know as we were staying off epogen for now until his PCV goes back down to around 20..So far it has been good, but I am not sure why.. I think Bandy was on epogen around 5 to 6 wks...His PCV went from around 20 to 38 then dropped to 23 when we saw the specialist...but has since gone up again without the epogen..He was on 5 mg of pred daily for a few weeks and now I just give him .75mg of dex when his temp goes up...and no other steroids at this point... Now that you have said that about the pred, I am wondering if I shouldn't start Bandy on pred again..He goes for blood work again the first of Feb...I will discuss it for sure with his vet.. I also had a kitty with a tumor on her tongue that was on 20mg. of pred daily for 3yrs...She had a great appetite but her skin did get rather thin after all that pred..The pred kept the inflammation down enough that she could eat and not get choked... Anyway, good luck with Bailey and hope you get his bottom cleared up... You are in our thoughts, Kerry and Bandy Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.
Re: Bailey Update - pathologist report
Hi Belinda, I read the pathologist report you posted, but didn't understand what it meant. Can you explain what it means in layman's terms? Thanks so much! Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bailey Update - pathologist report - Wendy
Wendy, This is what the pathologist actually wrote on the bone marrow report, the other is wha Michele found while looking up preleukemia, a term my vet had not heard before or knew what the pathologist meant by it, that's why she needed to talk with him: Description: the slides are cellular with many megakaryocytes seen. The erythyroid and myloid series are present and complete, however the erythyroid series reveals bot h a shift to rubricytic forms and megaloblastic rubricytes seen. m:E ratio is - 1:2 9200 cell count). Blast cells are 10% Diagnosis: BONE MARROW CYTOLOGY REVEALS APPARENT INEFFECTIVE ERYTHROPOESIS WITH MEGOBLASTIC CHANGES RESULTS ARE COCNSISTENT WITH UNDERLYING MYELODYSPLASTIC SYNDROME (PRELEUKEMIA) Comment: there is no evidence of of overt luekemia or neoplastic infiltration. --- In a nutshell he told her the FeLV virus is replicating in the bone marrow and is hindering enough of the red blood cells from maturing. The treatment according to my vet and the pathologist is high doses of prednisolone which interfers with the viruses replication. If we're lucky it will put the virus into remission again for 6 months to a year according to the pathologist. In some cases when the pred isn't doing a good enough job on it's own, leukeran (also known as chlorambucil a chemo drug) is adde also, it is a pill given at home. Of course being a firm believer in miracles we are aiming for a much longer remission -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Bailey Update - pathologist report - Wendy
Belinda, Thanks for taking the time to explain Bailey's condition to me. I guess the pathology report is not what you wanted to hear, but better than it could have been, right? Belinda, I am a firm believer in miracles too, and will be praying for little Bailey. Hugs, Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bailey update - pathologist report
Hi Kerry, It looks like in Bandy's case his bone marrow is still producing a health amount of mature red cells [[normal myeloid maturation; megakaryocytes present with normal maturation]], whereas Bailey's is tyring to produce them but the virus is interfering with them maturing and being sent out to be used. Similar problems but alittle different. Though they are both having difficulties, Bandy seems to be a little better off right now, and hopefully Bailey will be shortly once we get the correct treatment started!! -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Bailey Update - pathologist report
Now we just need to get his bottom healed up and get him feeling better so my little happy cat will shine again! Belinda, Prayers for Bailey's remission kicking in quickly. I just wanted to let you know that aloe gel really helped Gypsy's sore bottom when it was in the same condition as Baileys, (ouch!). You want to make sure and get the pure aloe without additives in case Bailey feels well enough to clean himself up and ingests some. Nina
Anastasia
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Starman
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Sherry
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Re: Lucy-- refusing raw food now
Michelle, As Tonya said, I think the amount of food you describe, while not hardy, is enough that I wouldn't be too terribly concerned. She is eating and that's good. The behavior you describe, going through different flavors until you hit just the right one, was so reminiscent of what I've gone through with Gypsy, that it made me cringe. I worked so hard on my AC skills so I wouldn't waste so much food! Luckily my dogs happily ate all of her left-overs. I can get turkey breast, just like chicken breast, fresh from my regular grocery store. The kind with the bone and skin, is juicier and Gypsy prefers it. I have also bought turkey breast only frozen from the grocery store. These are just the two breasts still attached, no legs, no wings. I'm sorry, I know this is probably really grossing you out. The turkey breasts are smaller than a whole turkey and are sort of shaped like a deformed ball. The ones my store sells are salted, and while I was concerned about the salt, Gypsy thought they were delicious. Marilyn suggested boiling the turkey and using the broth. This is a good idea, but it makes the meat tougher and you lose nutrients in the broth, (of course if she'll lap the broth, that's just fine). I cook the turkey by placing the breast on a small rack in a shallow Pyrex baking dish. Put a glass of filtered water in the bottom of the dish, (replenish the water if it simmers out) and cover the breast with aluminum wrap. Bake it in the oven at 350 for approx 15 minutes per pound. Undercooked is better than overcooked, (more tender). Remove the skin and extra fat before serving it to Her Highness. The water catches all the juices and is a very nutritious broth that you can use as well. Pour it into a wide mouth glass container, and put it in the fridge. When it cools, the fat will rise to the top and you can scrape it off and discard it, or add tiny amounts to your dog's food a bit at a time. The deli counter meats are usually seasoned too much and can have additives, and/or preservatives she doesn't need. It's also much more expensive, if this is going to be an ongoing thing. Cats are such a sensitive judge of freezer burn, and meat gone off, that they notice before we do. If meat looks off to you, it probably is. I'd go back and smack that butcher that told you meat that has been frozen that long is probably fine. I wouldn't give her the non-meat prescription diet. My cats love those horrible, junk filled Whiskas Temptation treats, that doesn't mean they should eat them on a regular basis. Stick to foods that are as close to their natural state, foods that aren't processed. I understand completely why thoughts of cancer keep surfacing. Get them out of your brain if you can. There are so many times when I begin to freak out and then I realize that this same behavior in a healthy cat would not get a second glance. You are hyper vigilant for good reason, but do your best to imagine a strong healthy result instead of the reverse. We've all learned how effective our good thoughts and prayers are for our babies on the list. I truly believe the combined energy of this group brings about miracles. Keep that in mind when you are focusing on the worst case outcome and imagine the opposite instead! Our thoughts are very powerful. Much love to you and yours, Nina
Re: Lucy--B12 injections
Michelle, The vet shouldn't have to see Lucy for you to get B12 to inject subq at home. You can order it without a prescription and it's something that vets feel okay about selling to you, (if you can convince them to forgo the office visit). If they won't, I'd order it online. I'm trying to remember where I found it, I'll do a search if you want me too. If you've found a good vet, and explained what has been going on with Lucy, they might take pity on the two of you and let you pick some up even though she's not officially a patient yet. N
Bailey - yogurt
Belinda, There were some suggestions about adding yogurt for healthy bacteria production. I agree that's really important given all the antibiotic he's been on. Is Bailey eating anything on his own, or is everything going through his feeding tube? The type of yogurt that Gypsy ate consistently is a brand called Brown Cow. It has a layer of cream on the top that Gypsy just loved. Get the plain, whole variety, not low, or non-fat. Also, I've heard varying reports about the different brands and types of probiotics sups you can get at health food stores. There was a woman on the IBD list that swore by one particular brand, I can try and look it up for you, if you like. Gypsy had some upset with a couple I tried, (at least I think it was the probiotics!). I've been adding Pet Dophilus by Jarrow to her turkey diet and she seems to be okay with that one. It's says it's formulated specifically for cats and dogs. I'm not sure if that's a bunch of hooey or not. Nina
DMG tablets-Kerry
Kerry, Did you ever get the DMG tablets? What dosage do you give? :) Wendy --- Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, My Bandy has anemia...and is Felv and FIV+. I have given him alot of things since Aug..so I don't really know what is working...I know something must be though. I really try to make sure he gets Co Q10 once a day..10mg..and for sure on all meals bovine colostrum. It is a very good immune stimulant that someone told me about at the FIV group...The CoQ10 helps with oxygen utilization as my heart kitty needs this too...I buy supplement from onlynaturalpet.com...they have some really good ones that have met most of Bandy's needs.. I give him folic acid which I bought at the health food store..800mcg...I sprinkle it on his food...so 1 capsule will last all day...You don't want to over do it so I figure since 2 other kitties eat with Bandy, they are all getting some...His PCV was up this last time. He had been on folic acid about 2 weeks prior to his last blood work.. I am going to start him on DMG tablets next week...to see if that won't help, too..I forget who told me about it. It supports the immune system, promotes oxygen utilization, improves cardio function, supports liver function and supports ocular health...Since I have a heart kitty, too...I try to keep the supplements that will benefit both of them...They are best buddies (eat and sleep together) I had Little Rascal checked, too when I found out about Bandy's 2 viruses and Lil Rascal is negative for both...So who knows about all that either... Hope this helps some, Good luck with your kitty, kerry and bandy - Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Starman
Hi Wendy, Thanks for asking about Star. I've got sleep deprivation from trying to figure out a way to bring him in at night. His lungs are still congested and his eyes, still runny. Sleeping outside in the cold cannot be good for him. He's got shelter, but he insists on sleeping on a shelf that looks into my bedroom and he's exposed to the elements. He cries and cries to come in. When I open the window, he tries to push his way past me into the bedroom. It's pitiful how much he wants to enjoy the comforts of human living. He's still hostile toward my cats, and visa versa for the most part. Two nights ago I tried to put him in a huge wire dog crate next to the bed. I had it covered, but he was so freaked out about being confined that he peed his bed twice. Nasty, nasty intact Tom, scared to death, extremely pungent urine smell permeated every thing in the room. Between crawling into the crate to try and comfort him, doing midnight laundry duty, and his fearful crying, I got absolutely no sleep. The next night he decided that he'd rather not come in and spent the night on the shelf again. I put a heating pad under a blanket and except for a pitifully crying for me to come out and join him every couple of hours, it seemed to work out okay. Last night the winds were so bad that it had him scared. Around 4am this morning I finally wrapped him in the blanket he was sleeping on and hustled him into the bathroom. More crying, more getting up to go in and comfort him. Arrgghh! I tell you I'm tired! He has an appointment to get neutered this Thursday, but I'm still concerned about his lung congestion and the anesthesia. The boy has got to get those pom poms snipped before we can proceed with acclimation! On the plus side, he's really come to trust me, (don't ask me why or how!) Nina wendy wrote: Hey Nina, How is Starman doing? Have things gotten any better? :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Pekoe - Dental Work
I don't remember Pica being a symptom of IBD. It certainly is of anemia. I'd be very interested to know if it is of dental problems as well. When Gracie would lick cement, I'd stick her back on Dox. I always worried about continually treating her with Dox, but it did seem to get rid of the anemia, (we suspected Hemobartinella, even though the tests were neg). Prayers for Pekoe, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, I seem to remember seeing somewhere, when I was researching dental problems in cats, that it can cause pica, which is the licking concrete thing. I am not sure, though-- I have researched so many things lately that it could have said IBD or something else other than dental problems is a cause of pica and I am remembering it wrong. But it is worth doing a search on cat, dental or teeth, and pica. Michelle In a message dated 1/23/2006 6:40:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as anemia, I would be concerned about Pekoe licking the concrete whether or not it shows up in the bloodwork. If the bloodwork showed nothing at all I'd at least get Pekoe on a good multi-vitamin (if you're not already doing supplements).
Re: Fwd: Lucy and Periactin-- how long can side effects last?
Geeze Michelle! Is Lucy still acting out of it? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: misaddressed this the first time... I gave Lucy 1 mg of Periactin (half the normal dose) yesterday at about 5 pm to see if it would make her more interested in eating the foods that are good for her. I had never given it to her before. Starting a few hours later she began acting kind of weird, sort of out of it and a little uncoordinated. She purrs when I pet her, tries to play but does not get very far, can jump but stumbles a little on landing, and has a sort of glazed look. She eats baby food hungrily. But she seems a little zombie-like. I totally chalked this up to the Periactin, because I know that some cats have reactions to it (my Josephine was almost comatosed from it and i thought she was dying the first time she got it-- turned out she could only handle 1/6 of a pill). But it is now 7 am, 14 hours after she got the Periactin, and she is still like this. I am assuming this is still the Periactin, but it seems like a long time. My question is this: Does anyone know how long the side effects can last? MaybeI should be more concerned, but it seems too coincidental that she got like this for the first time a few hours after getting Periactin for the first time. Thanks, Michelle
Re: Starman
Hey Nina, Very cool on the trust thing. I hope things change for the better once he gets snipped. Your stories about Star are funny, even though you might not find them to be so right now, especially being sleep deprived! I hope he gets better (the lungs and eyes). Is it possible to temporarily hammer a couple of pieces of wood on either side of the shelf to cut the wind some? Good idea on the heating pad. I love mine. lol. Get yourself some sleep girl! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Lucy--B12 injections plus, OT - Rebound
Just FYI - and because it was so much cheaper than vets in my area - wanted to pass on that I located the salmon flavor Feline Rebound on sale for $2.95 (regularly 3.95) at www.agri-med.com. I haven't been able to locate the salmon flavor anywhere in town - and one of our out of town fosters has a foster kitty who prefers that flavor. She pays something like $7 for it from her vet.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle,The vet shouldn't have to see Lucy for you to get B12 to inject subq at home. You can order it without a prescription and it's something that vets feel okay about selling to you, (if you can convince them to forgo the office visit). If they won't, I'd order it online. I'm trying to remember where I found it, I'll do a search if you want me too. If you've found a good vet, and explained what has been going on with Lucy, they might take pity on the two of you and let you pick some up even though she's not officially a patient yet.N
Re: Lucy--B12 injections plus, OT - Rebound
Susan, What is Rebound used for? Thanks, Wendy --- Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just FYI - and because it was so much cheaper than vets in my area - wanted to pass on that I located the salmon flavor Feline Rebound on sale for $2.95 (regularly 3.95) at www.agri-med.com. I haven't been able to locate the salmon flavor anywhere in town - and one of our out of town fosters has a foster kitty who prefers that flavor. She pays something like $7 for it from her vet. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle, The vet shouldn't have to see Lucy for you to get B12 to inject subq at home. You can order it without a prescription and it's something that vets feel okay about selling to you, (if you can convince them to forgo the office visit). If they won't, I'd order it online. I'm trying to remember where I found it, I'll do a search if you want me too. If you've found a good vet, and explained what has been going on with Lucy, they might take pity on the two of you and let you pick some up even though she's not officially a patient yet. N __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Starman
Yeah, it's a laugh riot around here. The habitat is large and it has 2' high peg board all around the border, (except for the chain link door). There's also one of those big plastic kid playhouses, not to mention that he has the crawl space under the house to get out of the cold. He just doesn't want any of that, he wants to snuggle up on the bed with me. I'd be fine with that, if it weren't for my other cats. Instigator, my right paw cat, is threatening to pack his catnip and blow this pop stand. He's so indulgent, but he's just about had it with me. I trust this guys judgement too. I had been surprised that he was still treating Kimba, (my last unsocial Tom that begged to be taken in), with hostility. Whenever I was observing Kimba, he'd be very polite to both Instigator and Ursula, (my two in charge cats). I couldn't figure out why Instigator was being so stubborn about forgiving Kimba for past digressions and moving on in their relationship. Well, last night I got a load of why! Kimba was lying under the coffee table and Instigator walked by, not paying much attention to Kimba at all. All of a sudden Kimba sprang on him swatting, with claws extended, (fur flying to prove it!). I was shocked! No wonder Inst still doesn't like that schizo Kimba. I felt so bad for questioning Instigator's assessment of Kimba. I really have to pay better attention to his judgement! So far, he's always been right. At this point, I'm still thinking we may have to find a more suitable home for Starman. :( Nina wendy wrote: Hey Nina, Very cool on the trust thing. I hope things change for the better once he gets snipped. Your stories about Star are funny, even though you might not find them to be so right now, especially being sleep deprived! I hope he gets better (the lungs and eyes). Is it possible to temporarily hammer a couple of pieces of wood on either side of the shelf to cut the wind some? Good idea on the heating pad. I love mine. lol. Get yourself some sleep girl! :) Wendy
Re: Starman
LOLOLOL...blow this pop stand. I bet you will find a great solution on what to do with Starman, but in the meantime, neutering is a great idea. hehe :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, it's a laugh riot around here. The habitat is large and it has 2' high peg board all around the border, (except for the chain link door). There's also one of those big plastic kid playhouses, not to mention that he has the crawl space under the house to get out of the cold. He just doesn't want any of that, he wants to snuggle up on the bed with me. I'd be fine with that, if it weren't for my other cats. Instigator, my right paw cat, is threatening to pack his catnip and blow this pop stand. He's so indulgent, but he's just about had it with me. I trust this guys judgement too. I had been surprised that he was still treating Kimba, (my last unsocial Tom that begged to be taken in), with hostility. Whenever I was observing Kimba, he'd be very polite to both Instigator and Ursula, (my two in charge cats). I couldn't figure out why Instigator was being so stubborn about forgiving Kimba for past digressions and moving on in their relationship. Well, last night I got a load of why! Kimba was lying under the coffee table and Instigator walked by, not paying much attention to Kimba at all. All of a sudden Kimba sprang on him swatting, with claws extended, (fur flying to prove it!). I was shocked! No wonder Inst still doesn't like that schizo Kimba. I felt so bad for questioning Instigator's assessment of Kimba. I really have to pay better attention to his judgement! So far, he's always been right. At this point, I'm still thinking we may have to find a more suitable home for Starman. :( Nina wendy wrote: Hey Nina, Very cool on the trust thing. I hope things change for the better once he gets snipped. Your stories about Star are funny, even though you might not find them to be so right now, especially being sleep deprived! I hope he gets better (the lungs and eyes). Is it possible to temporarily hammer a couple of pieces of wood on either side of the shelf to cut the wind some? Good idea on the heating pad. I love mine. lol. Get yourself some sleep girl! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Starman
Have you tried a snuggle safe (hard plastic filled with a fluid). Microwave one, put it in a towel on whatever he sleeps on and it will stay warm for about 8 hours. It is reusable and available in pet stores and on the internet. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Starman Hi Wendy, Thanks for asking about Star. I've got sleep deprivation from trying to figure out a way to bring him in at night. His lungs are still congested and his eyes, still runny. Sleeping outside in the cold cannot be good for him. He's got shelter, but he insists on sleeping on a shelf that looks into my bedroom and he's exposed to the elements. He cries and cries to come in. When I open the window, he tries to push his way past me into the bedroom. It's pitiful how much he wants to enjoy the comforts of human living. He's still hostile toward my cats, and visa versa for the most part. Two nights ago I tried to put him in a huge wire dog crate next to the bed. I had it covered, but he was so freaked out about being confined that he peed his bed twice. Nasty, nasty intact Tom, scared to death, extremely pungent urine smell permeated every thing in the room. Between crawling into the crate to try and comfort him, doing midnight laundry duty, and his fearful crying, I got absolutely no sleep. The next night he decided that he'd rather not come in and spent the night on the shelf again. I put a heating pad under a blanket and except for a pitifully crying for me to come out and join him every couple of hours, it seemed to work out okay. Last night the winds were so bad that it had him scared. Around 4am this morning I finally wrapped him in the blanket he was sleeping on and hustled him into the bathroom. More crying, more getting up to go in and comfort him. Arrgghh! I tell you I'm tired! He has an appointment to get neutered this Thursday, but I'm still concerned about his lung congestion and the anesthesia. The boy has got to get those pom poms snipped before we can proceed with acclimation! On the plus side, he's really come to trust me, (don't ask me why or how!) Nina wendy wrote: Hey Nina, How is Starman doing? Have things gotten any better? :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Sherry
Hi Wendy,Yes I am doing good today,I know that Buster and all the cats I visit with never leave this earth without love as long as I am here for them.thanks for asking :)wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Sherry,How are you doing today? I hope today finds you ingood spirits.:)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.
Re: Starman
No, I hadn't heard of that before. I did use a homemade bedwarmer, (cotton tube sock filled with rice and then microwaved). I'm not sure he appreciated it. He did better in the bathroom than he did in the crate, (what an understatement!), so I'm going to try that again tonight. He just can't get the same level of health care as my other cats that get to snuggle with Mom when they don't feel well. When I brought Pistol Pete, (who turned out to be Pistol Peta!), home from being spayed last week, she was having a difficult time, shivering etc. I took her to bed with me, snuggled her in and she immediately fell into a deep, restful sleep. I wish I could do that sort of thing with Starman. :( Nina Marylyn wrote: Have you tried a snuggle safe (hard plastic filled with a fluid). Microwave one, put it in a towel on whatever he sleeps on and it will stay warm for about 8 hours. It is reusable and available in pet stores and on the internet.
Re: Bailey Update - pathologist report
Belinda,I don't know anything from the test results you sent, but it sounds like you have a plan, and know what you're dealing with now. Good luckand head butts to Bailey.t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yes. Combo shots of dex and depo. Depo is long-term and sort of instead of pred, can last about a month. I am not sure I would even ask about Depo though at this point. If he is improving on low doses of pred I think I would try the higher doses. The thing about Depo is that it stays in the system so long, if there is a bad reaction of any sort there is nothing you can do until it plays itself out. There are not usually any bad reactions short-term (a few months, 6 months, whatever) but longer term it can cause diabetes, etc. If bailey has the potential to be here longer, I would try the pred for now. I would try dex before depo because, while initially much stronger, it is out of the system in 24 hours. MichelleIn a message dated 1/24/2006 1:47:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, I asked her about the wrong thing I meant to ask her about depo, wasn't that the other thing that you used that helped Simon?
michelle/tonya/interferon
MUWAHHH!!! from minnie!!! thanks ladies for this wonderful info!!! i will see what i can do independently and also check with the vet..would giving vit c interfere with this?has anyone ever used goldenseal extract ( in glycerine) or is it sorta sketchy for cat kids with that whole herbal thing going on that doesn't seem to mesh with them)?i want minnie to be flying around the room with her wonderwoman suit on!!! actually to be more serious, i just want to do all i can to boost her immunity... is there anything that helps to boost their t-cells?i am a worrisome goober ( from va...we grow 'em here to tonya!! hehehe)much love and respect... LJ
Pekoe - Whole New Scenario ...
Hello All, Pekoe's blood work came back from the Lab today - RBC - 6.0 (Normal Range - 6.2 - 10.6) MCV - 53 (39 - 52) Platelets - 5 (93 - 514) Smear agrees with machine platelet count MPV - 21.5 (8 - 21) Rubricyte Count - 0.37 (0.0 - 0.0) I know - I just about keeled over when I saw his platelet count :( The vet was in touch with the pathologist at the lab. They were holding some blood for possible PCR for Hemobart. He apparently looked at the smear (which he thought could show signs of Hemobart) and will be running the PCR tomorrow. The vet and pathologist said if it's Hemobart, it could be Immune-Mediated Thrombocytopenia. On the other hand, they also said it could be bone marrow related. (Think I got all this straight - even though I have a medical background, I'm still having a hard time wrapping my mind around some of this). So, Pekoe was started on Doxycycline 2X/day and Prednisone 10mg. 2X/day, and he's to have repeat blood work (platelet count) this coming Monday to assess the platelet response. We're to check for any bruising - which the vet said she didn't see any yesterday at all when she checked him over. She discussed everything with his regular vet, and she was as "stunned" as we all were regarding his platelets. Incidentally, his regular vet said that obviously a "dental" is out for now. As always, any thoughts/comments welcomed. Marlene (Pekoe Angel Digby)
Re: Starman
Because he LOVES you, dear!!! Things will get better. I promise. I know how it feels dealing with all the turmoil. Were you on the list when I went out and live trapped my 2 feral dogs and somehow managed to get them in the house because the temp. was below 0 outside and they refused to come in! Then they both threw up and freaked out about being inside. I was up all night. The next night I decided to just 'let them be', but ended up setting the alarm to go check on them every hour because I was afraid they would freeze to death. I spent half the night wrapped up in the leaf pile with Amy, but when I would go sit with her, Little Sh*t would run away. argh! The things we do. It WILL get better!Brenda owes me a few sleepless nights from Mr. Lovey, but then SHE went through so much trying to get him herself that I can't complain!tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Wendy,Thanks for asking about Star. I've got sleep deprivation from trying to figure out a way to bring him in at night. His lungs are still congested and his eyes, still runny. Sleeping outside in the cold cannot be good for him. He's got shelter, but he insists on sleeping on a shelf that looks into my bedroom and he's exposed to the elements. He cries and cries to come in. When I open the window, he tries to push his way past me into the bedroom. It's pitiful how much he wants to enjoy the comforts of human living. He's still hostile toward my cats, and visa versa for the most part. Two nights ago I tried to put him in a huge wire dog crate next to the bed. I had it covered, but he was so freaked out about being confined that he peed his bed twice. Nasty, nasty intact Tom, scared to death, extremely pungent urine smell permeated every thing in the room. Between crawling into the crate to try and comfort him, doing midnight laundry duty, and his fearful crying, I got absolutely no sleep. The next night he decided that he'd rather not come in and spent the night on the shelf again. I put a heating pad under a blanket and except for a pitifully crying for me to come out and join him every couple of hours, it seemed to work out okay. Last night the winds were so bad that it had him scared. Around 4am this morning I finally wrapped him in the blanket he was sleeping on and hustled him into the bathroom. More crying, more getting up to go in and comfort him. Arrgghh! I tell you I'm tired! He has an appointment to get neutered this Thursday, but I'm still concerned about his lung congestion and the anesthesia. The boy has got to get those pom poms snipped before we can proceed with acclimation! On the plus side, he's really come to trust me, (don't ask me why or how!)Ninawendy wrote:Hey Nina,How is Starman doing? Have things gotten any better?:)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Pekoe - Whole New Scenario ...
Marlene,I don't know what it all means. I hope the doxy helps Pekoe. I know you're doing other supplements as well. Didn't you say doxy had helped in the past?Head butts to Pekoe.tonyaMarlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, Pekoe's blood work came back from the Lab today - RBC - 6.0 (Normal Range - 6.2 - 10.6) MCV - 53 (39 - 52) Platelets - 5 (93 - 514) Smear agrees with machine platelet count MPV - 21.5 (8 - 21) Rubricyte Count - 0.37 (0.0 - 0.0) I know - I just about keeled over when I saw his platelet count :( The vet was in touch with the pathologist at the lab. They were holding some blood for possible PCR for Hemobart. He apparently looked at the smear (which he thought could show signs of Hemobart) and will be running the PCR tomorrow. The vet and pathologist said if it's Hemobart, it could be Immune-Mediated Thrombocytopenia. On the other hand, they also said it could be bone marrow related. (Think I got all this straight - even though I have a medical background, I'm still having a hard time wrapping my mind around some of this). So, Pekoe was started on Doxycycline 2X/day and Prednisone 10mg. 2X/day, and he's to have repeat blood work (platelet count) this coming Monday to assess the platelet response. We're to check for any bruising - which the vet said she didn't see any yesterday at all when she checked him over. She discussed everything with his regular vet, and she was as "stunned" as we all were regarding his platelets. Incidentally, his regular vet said that obviously a "dental" is out for now. As always, any thoughts/comments welcomed.Marlene (Pekoe Angel Digby)
Re: DMG tablets - Kerry
Hi Wendy, Yes, I have them, but I still haven't started Bandy on them yet..I am thinking about doing it now...Just been afraid to add too much stuff all at once as I do want him to continue to eat well.. The ones I got are by vetri-science Vetri-DMG 125mg. 1 tablet daily. Someone else told me to try this, so I think I will see if it makes a difference as he goes for blood work the first of Feb.. Kerry and Bandy Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail.
Re: Pekoe - Whole New Scenario ...
Tonya: When Pekoe had Hemobart last Feb., he responded very well to the Doxycycline. But, something makes me think that this time, it's more than Hemobart. And yet, he isn't lethargic or "hiding", his appetite is good, he's still interested in playing (just not as hard), he wants to sit onour laps, he sleeps his usual amount, etc. But, he's still licking the concrete floor several times a day. Marlene (Pekoe Angel Digby)
OT bloat in dogs info. Do cats get bloat??
I have never heard of this except in horses Has anyone else? If horses and dogs get it then can cats get it?tjaylw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],"GaAnWelfare" [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: "jaylw" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:47:53 -0500Subject: [GeorgiaAnimalWelfare] Warning on bloat from FRIENDS FOR PETS FOUNDATION of CA. This is so important. Print it out and give a copy to everyone you know who loves their dog (don't forget the dogsitter!) Bloat kills many dogs each year, PLEASE PLEASE read the following and PAY ATTENTION. BLOAT is a condition where the stomach rapidly expands while it fills with gas and water. Many times it is accompanied by TORSION where the stomach twists over on itself and the ends actually are twisted shut - so nothing can get in or out. The condition is an emergency, if not treated immediately it always results in an agonizing death. No one knows what causes Bloat. It generally, BUT NOT ALWAYS, begins an hour or so after eating. Eating an overly large amount of food, and/or vigorous exercise before or after eating can contribute to the condition. SYMPTOMS MAY be some or all of the following: Distressed or in-pain attitude, Hard abdomen, Enlarged abdomen, Vomiting, Trying to vomit or defecate with no success, Continually looking at stomach area, Pacing, Pale gums, Pleading look (telling you something is wrong and asking you to fix it). If you even suspect Bloat, get your dog to a vet immediately and get an X-ray! It is better to pay an emergency visit fee and be wrong, than wait and consign your dog to an excruciating death. What can you do to try and avoid Bloat? (1) DO NOT feed one meal a day; feed at least twice a day (less food in the stomach at one time is easier to digest). (2) DO NOT feed dry kibble, ALWAYS soak kibble in warm water until it fully expands (take a single kibble, drop it in water and watch the gas escape - see how big it gets - imagine that happening in the stomach). At the Friends for Pets kennel we add a heaping dollop of plain yogurt to each meal to cut gas build-up. . (3) DO NOT allow your dog to exercise or play vigorously for at least an hour after eating. (4) TRY to keep an eye on your dog before and after it eats (it's not always possible, but try). (5) DO NOT let your dog spend its evening and/or sleep in the backyard, the garage, or a room too far away for you to hear any distress. We can't always be with our dogs but how awful if you were close enough to save your dog's life, but too far away to hear its agonizing death. (6) KNOW your Vet's hours and phone #, plus KNOW where to get Emergency Vet Service 24 hours a day. It's too late when you're in a panic. (7) If the Vet doesn't think it is Bloat, because you got there in the early stages. INSIST on an X-ray to make sure - AGAIN, better to spend a few dollars be wrong than let your pet die a preventable death. (8) ALWAYS have enough gas in your car's tank to get to the Vet. Bloat coupled with Torsion kills! Every minute counts. NOTE: - While any dog can Bloat, it is more common in large, deep-chested breeds, which include Goldens, Labs, German Shorthaired Pointers, Vizslas, Pointers, and especially Weimaraners, which are in the top 5 breeds susceptible to Bloat. Also, dogs 7 years and older are twice as likely to Bloat as dogs 2-4 years old! SPONSORED LINKS Biology Stuffed animals Animal jewelry Biology book Molecular biology YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "GeorgiaAnimalWelfare" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. hd_warning.gif Description: pat1304235908
Re: L J
Hi, I have Bandy on interferon since last July daily..I think it has helped him alot.. I also would recommend bovine colostrum...I mix it in his food..and it has no taste..I talked with a lady at the FIV group that used as much as 6000mg./day...I use around 1000mg daily...Anyway, hope this helps... I see that you are from VA...I have good friends that live around the Courtland area..Very pretty country.. Kerry and Bandy Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail.
vitamin c
Lots of people give vitamin c. It can only help. If you give too much it can cause diarrhea.Other people on the list can give you amounts. I'm not giving it right now so I don't remember. One doctor recommends 'mega' doses of vitamin c. There was just a post about a research paper on vitamin c and positives earlier this week right before you joined. I haven't read it yet. When I get to it (this weekend) I can resend it to the list for you if you'd like.t"l.j. crabtree" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:MUWAHHH!!! from minnie!!! thanks ladies for this wonderful info!!! i will see what i can do independently and also check with the vet..would giving vit c interfere with this?has anyone ever used goldenseal extract ( in glycerine) or is it sorta sketchy for cat kids with that whole herbal thing going on that doesn't seem to mesh with them)?i want minnie to be flying around the room with her wonderwoman suit on!!! actually to be more serious, i just want to do all i can to boost her immunity... is there anything that helps to boost their t-cells?i am a worrisome goober ( from va...we grow 'em here to tonya!! hehehe)much love and respect... LJ
Wendy
Hi, Are you from the Dallas area? Bandy's internal med specialist is in Dallas..We are about 120 miles away from there...He goes to the Animal Diagnostic Clinic.. Just wondering.. Kerry and Bandy Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail.
Re: DMG tablets - Kerry
Kerry, I added DMG for a while. I didn't see any noticeable difference, but then we weren't doing blood work on a regular basis. The DMG that I got was tasteless, melt in your mouth type stuff, just like the homeopathics. I remember something about having to be careful about it being "pure", no additives, binders, or excipients. The brand I bought was "Foodscience" 125 mg. I'm going to start adding it to Starman's food too. I'll let you guys know if it helps. Nina Kerry Roach wrote: Hi Wendy, Yes, I have them, but I still haven't started Bandy on them yet..I am thinking about doing it now...Just been afraid to add too much stuff all at once as I do want him to continue to eat well.. The ones I got are by vetri-science Vetri-DMG 125mg. 1 tablet daily. Someone else told me to try this, so I think I will see if it makes a difference as he goes for blood work the first of Feb.. Kerry and Bandy Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail.
Re: Pekoe - Whole New Scenario ...
Marlene I can't believe his platelet count is so low and he still seems so normal. It just goes to show how little can be told sometimes by their actions. I'm glad you're on top of all this and am sending prayers for Pekoe's health and encouragement to you, Nina Marlene Chornie wrote: Tonya: When Pekoe had Hemobart last Feb., he responded very well to the Doxycycline. But, something makes me think that this time, it's more than Hemobart. And yet, he isn't lethargic or hiding, his appetite is good, he's still interested in playing (just not as hard), he wants to sit on our laps, he sleeps his usual amount, etc. But, he's still licking the concrete floor several times a day. Marlene (Pekoe Angel Digby)
Re: Starman
Tonya, Thanks for the encouragement and support. Yeah, I know he LOVES me! The little devil! He's so needy and at the same time so stuck in his ways. I totally understand, having to fend for himself on the street has made him fearful of being confined and antagonistic toward all other cats. It will get better, I know that too. I just get so tired of always seeming to be in transition! I do remember a story about a pack of feral dogs. I remember it being very sad, didn't it have a sad outcome? I was just thinking about the things we do. So many people just don't get it. Most everyone I know, (in my physical life, not this cyber one!), would have had Starman pts already and they would somehow be able to sleep like babies afterward. I guess if I'm going to lose sleep, this is a much better reason! Thanks again darling, Nina catatonya wrote: Because he LOVES you, dear!!! Things will get better. I promise. I know how it feels dealing with all the turmoil. Were you on the list when I went out and live trapped my 2 feral dogs and somehow managed to get them in the house because the temp. was below 0 outside and they refused to come in! Then they both threw up and freaked out about being inside. I was up all night. The next night I decided to just 'let them be', but ended up setting the alarm to go check on them every hour because I was afraid they would freeze to death. I spent half the night wrapped up in the leaf pile with Amy, but when I would go sit with her, Little Sh*t would run away. argh! The things we do. It WILL get better! Brenda owes me a few sleepless nights from Mr. Lovey, but then SHE went through so much trying to get him herself that I can't complain!
Re: OT bloat in dogs info. Do cats get bloat??
I've never heard about it with cats. I know the larger breed dogs are more prone to it and that it helps to have their food elevated and to not feed directly after strenuous exercise. N catatonya wrote: I have never heard of this except in horses Has anyone else? If horses and dogs get it then can cats get it? t
Transfer Factor for immune support - LJ
LJ, No one has mentioned it lately, but some folks also give Transfer Factor to boost immune support. Many people swear by it, I'm torn myself. I don't know if it helps, but I'm convinced it doesn't hurt and it doesn't taste bad either, some of my kids like the taste. It has colostrum, (which Kerry mentions adding separately, I do too), and electrolytes. Here's some info: Here's a link to info about Transfer Factor: http://www.transferfactorinstitute.com/TransferFactor/basic.htm Here's the ordering info: The phone number for the company is: (888) 454-3374. There's a website link below, you might want to check out, but they don't have their order page encrypted, so it's safer to order over the phone. The wholesale price on the products from the most recent list I have is: Transfer Factor Classic -- 90 caps/$37.95 Transfer Factor Advanced Formula -- 60 caps/$39.95 TF Plus Advanced Formula -- 60 caps/$54.95 TF Feline Complete -- 60 - 2 grm. servings/$35.95 Animal Stress Pack -- 7 - 2 oz.packets/$48.95 www.4life.com http://www.4life.com l.j. crabtree wrote: MUWAHHH!!! from minnie!!! thanks ladies for this wonderful info!!! i will see what i can do independently and also check with the vet.. would giving vit c interfere with this? has anyone ever used goldenseal extract ( in glycerine) or is it sorta sketchy for cat kids with that whole herbal thing going on that doesn't seem to mesh with them)? i want minnie to be flying around the room with her wonderwoman suit on!!! actually to be more serious, i just want to do all i can to boost her immunity... is there anything that helps to boost their t-cells? i am a worrisome goober ( from va...we grow 'em here to tonya!! hehehe) much love and respect... LJ
Re: OT bloat in dogs info. Do cats get bloat??
Maybe that's it. The size of the animal. We were just talking about how everyone here is so good about feeding 'good' diets to their cats and I give mine dry food. The dogs too. And I know it's not the best for them, but it's so much easier when you have a zoo to take care of... I need to try to do better. tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never heard about it with cats. I know the larger breed dogs are more prone to it and that it helps to have their food elevated and to not feed directly after strenuous exercise.Ncatatonya wrote: I have never heard of this except in horses Has anyone else? If horses and dogs get it then can cats get it? t
Re: Pekoe - Whole New Scenario ...
Nina, Thanks so much for the prayers and encouragement. My mind is finally "functioning" again somewhat after everything today. I too just can't fathom that Pekoe's platelets are so low, and yet he's still more or less himself? I looked up Digby's last blood work that he had done the day he passed, and his platelets were 7! Mind you, he actually had full blown leukemia and deteriorated very quickly, so that's not really the same as whatever may be going on with Pekoe. Am just trying to stay focused and praying for the strength to do right by Pekoe. Marlene (Pekoe Angel Digby)
Re: Pekoe - Whole New Scenario ...
Marlene,I am sure you will do what is right. I've been anemic my entire life it seems. I've gone in for checks when they wondered how I was walking, had to get my rbc (I think it was) up above a 7 to have surgery, etc... I don't keep up with my own 'stuff' as well as the cats'. lol.Don't give up on Pekoe. Anemia's hard for positives, but many people on the list have done a good job of managing it and putting it back in its place. Especially considering the hemobart. If Pekoe had that and responded to the doxy before I truly think that might be all you're dealing with here. I hope so! Hang in there!tMarlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, Thanks so much for the prayers and encouragement. My mind is finally "functioning" again somewhat after everything today. I too just can't fathom that Pekoe's platelets are so low, and yet he's still more or less himself? I looked up Digby's last blood work that he had done the day he passed, and his platelets were 7! Mind you, he actually had full blown leukemia and deteriorated very quickly, so that's not really the same as whatever may be going on with Pekoe. Am just trying to stay focused and praying for the strength to do right by Pekoe.Marlene (Pekoe Angel Digby)
hi new to the site...just want to hear what everyones opinion is..thanks
Hi..my name is Jeni. I have a feluk postive kitten named papoose. I work at a shelter and he was a drop there. A man came in with him when he was about 5 weeks old, he told me that Papoose was wondering the streets of Queens. He came up positve on Elisa and also the IFA when he was brought to the shelter, we retested him when he was about 3.5 months old and came up postive on both test again, I am going to retest him at 6 months (he is about 4 months now) to see if he is postive, what do you think the chances of him being negative are? Just wondering. Thank you Jeni and Papoose From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Vet said +FeLeuk test for my baby Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:10:16 -0800 (PST) Welcome to the list Paula, It sounds like you're doing everything 'right'. I try to feed my guys a 'good' diet, although I don't feed raw or anything like that. A lot of people use a lot of different supplements. I tend to save the supplements for when something's not going well, or an upcoming surgery like you are planning. I think lysine before going into surgery is a good idea as it might ward off any upper resp. infection she might encounter at the hospital. It sounds like you're familiar with hospitals! The antibiotic is a good idea, but uri's are viruses as I'm sure you know, and I feel like the lysine helps with those. My first positive kitty ALWAYS came home from the vet with an upper respiratory infection. (vet I don't use anymore, but still, sick cats are at the hospital) How long have you had her? 6 months is still young enough to 'throw' the virus if she was only recently exposed. I don't want to get your hopes up, but it 'can' happen. Do you know if she was born with it? Any background? tonya Paula Auerbach Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm new to this site. A fellow member from the Intruder Alert board suggested coming here to have some support and gain knowledge on how to care for my 6mo old girl. Her test was positive, but her cbc is within limits. I need to have her spayed this next week. Doc put her on Amoxil BID for the week prior and plans to have her on a 7 day regimen post op. Her platelets are within limits. What else can I do for her? I have some Lysine I was using for her last bad cold- would that bolster her any? Thanks, Paula
Re: hi new to the site...just want to hear what everyones opinion is..thanks
Hello Jeni and welcome. Can you imagine that tiny little baby wandering the streets by himself?! The man that found him was an angel, and so are you. How is Papoose? Such a cute name, btw. Is he asymptomatic? I'm afraid that kittens with felv do have less of a chance statistically of shedding the virus. That doesn't mean Papoose won't, or that he won't have many years of symptom free health. Some kitties are carriers and never have problems. Get him on immune support supplements, give him the best diet you can, don't take a wait-and-see attitude with any signs of illness, and keep his home life as free from stress as you can. That is the best that any of us can do for our sweet little angels. Nina JENI RECA wrote: Hi..my name is Jeni. I have a feluk postive kitten named papoose. I work at a shelter and he was a drop there. A man came in with him when he was about 5 weeks old, he told me that Papoose was wondering the streets of Queens. He came up positve on Elisa and also the IFA when he was brought to the shelter, we retested him when he was about 3.5 months old and came up postive on both test again, I am going to retest him at 6 months (he is about 4 months now) to see if he is postive, what do you think the chances of him being negative are? Just wondering. Thank you Jeni and Papoose From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Vet said +FeLeuk test for my baby Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:10:16 -0800 (PST) Welcome to the list Paula, It sounds like you're doing everything 'right'. I try to feed my guys a 'good' diet, although I don't feed raw or anything like that. A lot of people use a lot of different supplements. I tend to save the supplements for when something's not going well, or an upcoming surgery like you are planning. I think lysine before going into surgery is a good idea as it might ward off any upper resp. infection she might encounter at the hospital. It sounds like you're familiar with hospitals! The antibiotic is a good idea, but uri's are viruses as I'm sure you know, and I feel like the lysine helps with those. My first positive kitty ALWAYS came home from the vet with an upper respiratory infection. (vet I don't use anymore, but still, sick cats are at the hospital) How long have you had her? 6 months is still young enough to 'throw' the virus if she was only recently exposed. I don't want to get your hopes up, but it 'can' happen. Do you know if she was born with it? Any background? tonya Paula Auerbach Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm new to this site. A fellow member from the Intruder Alert board suggested coming here to have some support and gain knowledge on how to care for my 6mo old girl. Her test was positive, but her cbc is within limits. I need to have her spayed this next week. Doc put her on Amoxil BID for the week prior and plans to have her on a 7 day regimen post op. Her platelets are within limits. What else can I do for her? I have some Lysine I was using for her last bad cold- would that bolster her any? Thanks, Paula
URGENT: Switters- Katrina kitty looking for home....
I know everybody is absolutely overwhelmed and though I havent posted lately (been up to my ears with Katrina reunification attempts), I have been trying hard to keep up with everything thats been happening. Its not been a good few months for everyone and I know that the last thing anybody wants to hear is about another FELV+ kitty running out of time. This is turning into a pretty desperate situation. The woman who rescued this little guy has to move by mid February and absolutely cannot take Switters with her. She rescued this little guy and brought him back to life and socialized him and she is at her wits end as to what to do now She posted Switters on bemikitties but there is no picture Here is Switters! If anybody has any ideas of rescue groups, shelters, anything at all. Louisiana shelters will not take him or will euthanize him. She says he is so sociable that she really would like to find him a home but would have to settle for a shelter if she has to. Anyone have any ideasTIME IS OF THE ESSENSE! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 2:10 AM To: Net [EMAIL PROTECTED]; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Switters- Katrina kitty looking for home I cant seem to get post right so if a dupe, I apologize, I tried posting this before but I think it did not go through I am working with a group trying to reunite Katrina pets with their Gulf Coast owners. A woman posted that she had rescued a very young kitten right after the storm. She says he was really feral when she found him but has become very accustomed to the good life! She is having to move within a month and is really anxious to find him a forever home. He is FELV+. Switters is about 6 months old and when Jean found him, he was out in the street and emaciated-she guesses he was 8-10 weeks old. He has been neutered, gotten first shots, is microchipped. Jean has posted him in bemikitties and is really anxious to find him a home. She has to move in a month and cannot take him with her. She has gone above and beyond for this little guy who she says is totally asymptomatic and it is breaking her heart that she cannot keep him. Unfortunately, the options in New Orleans area for shelter for Switters are pretty dismal and I told her I would post her info. I tried sending picture of Switters but it may have been too large a post for it to go thru. I know everyone is full but if you could even give her some ideas, I know she would be eternally grateful. She has loads of pictures and he sure does seem to have domesticated pretty well! Her name is Jean Kottermann, Phone 504-931-9758, e-mail is [EMAIL PROTECTED] This little one survived a hurricane on the street, hes got to have a lot of spunk! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: vitamin c
Hey LJ - I use Goldenseal all the time, but only externally. I know it can be used internally, and have taken it myself, but it can make changes to your blood sugar, or blood pressure, or something (least with me it did - I started feeling weird and like I might faint and needed to walk around). So I'm cautious about it. When I was treating Lucy for URI a few years ago, I read to try 250 mg Lysine and 250 mg Vit C twice a day, and I tried that. She was an old cat w/ hard stools, and diarrhea never happened with her, it only was a benefit. I think the type of Vitamin C that you choose can be important - Some are buffered, so easier on the tummy. Then there are other variations I think. I personally am a big believer in Vit C - I take anywhere from 2 to 10 grams daily. It's great. You might check into Dr. Wendell Belfield's site re vitamin C for pets: www.belfield.com Best of luck, Gloria At 08:43 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote: Lots of people give vitamin c. It can only help. If you give too much it can cause diarrhea. Other people on the list can give you amounts. I'm not giving it right now so I don't remember. One doctor recommends 'mega' doses of vitamin c. There was just a post about a research paper on vitamin c and positives earlier this week right before you joined. I haven't read it yet. When I get to it (this weekend) I can resend it to the list for you if you'd like. t l.j. crabtree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUWAHHH!!! from minnie!!! thanks ladies for this wonderful info!!! i will see what i can do independently and also check with the vet.. would giving vit c interfere with this? has anyone ever used goldenseal extract ( in glycerine) or is it sorta sketchy for cat kids with that whole herbal thing going on that doesn't seem to mesh with them)? i want minnie to be flying around the room with her wonderwoman suit on!!! actually to be more serious, i just want to do all i can to boost her immunity... is there anything that helps to boost their t-cells? i am a worrisome goober ( from va...we grow 'em here to tonya!! hehehe) much love and respect... LJ
Re: URGENT: Switters- Katrina kitty looking for home....
Hi Chris, Switters looks so sweet and I'm sure is so very deserving. I wish I could offer her, you and her previous savior something more than words of encouragement. I pray she finds her forever home soon, or that her owner will figure out a way to do what she now believes is impossible and take her with. Nina Chris wrote: I know everybody is absolutely overwhelmed and though I havent posted lately (been up to my ears with Katrina reunification attempts), I have been trying hard to keep up with everything thats been happening. Its not been a good few months for everyone and I know that the last thing anybody wants to hear is about another FELV+ kitty running out of time. This is turning into a pretty desperate situation. The woman who rescued this little guy has to move by mid February and absolutely cannot take Switters with her. She rescued this little guy and brought him back to life and socialized him and she is at her wits end as to what to do now She posted Switters on bemikitties but there is no picture Here is Switters! If anybody has any ideas of rescue groups, shelters, anything at all. Louisiana shelters will not take him or will euthanize him. She says he is so sociable that she really would like to find him a home but would have to settle for a shelter if she has to. Anyone have any ideasTIME IS OF THE ESSENSE!
RE: URGENT: Switters- Katrina kitty looking for home....
Switters is a he Actually, Jean who rescued him placed an ad in New Orleans paper about him and one of the member of our group (StealthVolunteers) posted it. I followed up with Jean and told her I would post here. Like so many Katrina victims, she doesnt have too many options and will be moving out of state. She really went above and beyond for this little guy. Its likely he was a stray kitten who somehow survived the floods but would not have survived living out on the post-Katrina New Orleans streets. Jean said it took a while to get him to come to her but that since hes been in---well, he enjoys all the comforts of indoor living! Shes going to be moving to Ashvillecan somebody help me rememberisnt Marleys Fund somewhere in the Carolinas? Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: URGENT: Switters- Katrina kitty looking for home Hi Chris, Switters looks so sweet and I'm sure is so very deserving. I wish I could offer her, you and her previous savior something more than words of encouragement. I pray she finds her forever home soon, or that her owner will figure out a way to do what she now believes is impossible and take her with. Nina Chris wrote: I know everybody is absolutely overwhelmed and though I havent posted lately (been up to my ears with Katrina reunification attempts), I have been trying hard to keep up with everything thats been happening. Its not been a good few months for everyone and I know that the last thing anybody wants to hear is about another FELV+ kitty running out of time. This is turning into a pretty desperate situation. The woman who rescued this little guy has to move by mid February and absolutely cannot take Switters with her. She rescued this little guy and brought him back to life and socialized him and she is at her wits end as to what to do now She posted Switters on bemikitties but there is no picture Here is Switters! If anybody has any ideas of rescue groups, shelters, anything at all. Louisiana shelters will not take him or will euthanize him. She says he is so sociable that she really would like to find him a home but would have to settle for a shelter if she has to. Anyone have any ideasTIME IS OF THE ESSENSE!
