Re: Can we please add this poor baby to the CLS? Better news

2006-05-11 Thread Kerry MacKenzie



Betternews--am forwarding Shana's reply!

Kerry,I am so very sorry for the late reply. Today is myfirst 
day off in a few weeks and I've been overwhelmedwith things I need to 
do.I really appreciate your concern about "Minnie." Itwarms my heart 
that there are so many caring peopleout there to turn to.Yes, Minnie 
is ok! The shelter reevaluated her. Theytested her with stairs and talked 
again to the fosterfamily. She may be starting to see some shadows 
andshe handled stairs well, so she is probably going tobe adoptable. 
She seems to have improved in the last few weeks, so Iam hoping she 
continues to improve.I have arranged for her to have a pro-bono 
ultrasoundof her heart, and bloodwork, so we can make sure sheis healthy 
before being placed in a home. If the shelter tries to adopt her and 
noone wants her, I will be sure to contact you to see ifyou can 
help.I really, really appreciate your offer.Thanks so 
much,Shana--- Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
PLEASE HIT REPLY TO ALL Shana, has anyone adopted this kitten yet? 
Or has she already been euthanized? What's happened to this poor 
kitten is heartbreaking. Kerry PLEASE HIT REPLY

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:46 PM
  Subject: Re: Can we please add this poor 
  baby to the CLS?
  
  I'm not sure if he/she got rescued or killed. I'm not sure even if the 
  shelter he is at is a humane euth shelter, MANY of them still use gas 
  chambers, you know. I hope he was humanely euthed by now... or rescued and 
  given medical care, one of the two (though I think euth would be kinder). 
  
  
  I was hoping to get him/her on the CLS in the part where we pray for 
  healing and comfort to those that are still with us.
  
  I did get several people saying they emailed about him, but did not get a 
  reply yet. I sent a note to the purrever ranch, they are the ones who first 
  posted the message, maybe they have more contact info than was in the 
  post.
  Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE 
  DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely 
  injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little 
  Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a 
  good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: 
  We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for 
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Re: Please add Papoose to CLS

2006-05-11 Thread Kerry MacKenzie



I'm so sorry Jeni. I know how much you will miss the little 
soul. At least Papoose had it better than so many--you gave him the best gift 
ofall, a loving home.
hugs, Kerry

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  JENI RECA 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:55 
PM
  Subject: Please add Papoose to CLS
  
  
  I put Papoose feluk +to sleep today after he was running a 106.4 temp 
  for the past 4 days and it wasnt going down he also was anemic and had a heart 
  mummer and wasnt getting better. He lived a wonderful life of 8 months 
  in our house with our dogs and our other feluk + cat. I miss him dearly 
  and am happy he did not suffer. He was found on the streets of queens as a 
  tiny little 5 week old kitten and brought to the shelter I work at. He 
  came up postive on both test and I decided to adopt him instead of them 
  putting him down. I amjust sad that we did not have more time with 
  him. Thank you.
  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: 
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felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Can we please 
add this poor baby to the CLS?Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:46:25 
-0400



I'm not sure if he/she got rescued or killed. I'm not sure even if the 
shelter he is at is a humane euth shelter, MANY of them still use gas 
chambers, you know. I hope he was humanely euthed by now... or rescued and 
given medical care, one of the two (though I think euth would be kinder). 


I was hoping to get him/her on the CLS in the part where we pray for 
healing and comfort to those that are still with us.

I did get several people saying they emailed about him, but did not get 
a reply yet. I sent a note to the purrever ranch, they are the ones who 
first posted the message, maybe they have more contact info than was in the 
post.
Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE 
DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely 
injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little 
Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a 
good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: 
We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for 
pictures), and more towels! 
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Re: Way Off Subject of Cats....sorry!

2006-05-11 Thread Kerry MacKenzie



Terrie, can't tell you how sorry I am. It breaks my heart 
whenI hear this sort of thing (same thing happened to me, married Jekyll, 
ended up with Hyde,sototally relate  understand the shock you 
are all in). I'm sorry I don't know any attorneys in CO, but I'm so glad your 
daughter has such wonderful, supportiveparents. That will make all the 
difference for her. It all seems nightmarish now, but with such loving support 
she and your grandchild will come through this ok in the end. I wish you the 
best. 
hugs, Kerry

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:40 
  AM
  Subject: Way Off Subject of 
  Catssorry!
  
  Hi all,
   I apologize 
  for being way off the topic of kitties.
  I really don't know on how to go 
  about this. I need a Divorce lawyer in Colorado Springs or Denver area CO. 
  
  Do any of you know of one in 
  either places.
  My daughter called me her 
  husband said he wanted a divorce out of the blue. That he didn't want to be 
  tied down anymore and wanted his freedom.
  As you know he is military they 
  are stationed at Ft. Carson, CO. He has done 2 tours so far to Iraq and 
  getting ready to leave again soon.
  He told her this is what he 
  wanted then 2 days later had papers served on her. He did not use an attorney 
  he use the advise of some paralegals.
  There were no signs of a 
  troubled marriage.
  
  My husband and I are in total 
  shock over this. It is real and it is happening.
  
  Julie's husband Charleshas 
  made her life total hell in the last week. He is trying to strip her of 
  everything in the marrage. When she isn't home he comes in takes whatever he 
  wants of value. She isn't home because shehas Drs. appointments and 
  errands to do.
  She is a homemaker, taking care 
  of the household with my grandbaby. (2 yrs old)
  She has no income. 
  
  My husband and I are trying what 
  we can do but it makes it hard when we are in WA. state.
  We need to find one of the 
  baddest attorneys for her that won't cost an arm/leg.
  
  Can you help me locating a good 
  attorney down there for her?
  
  Sorry for being way off the 
  subject!
  
  
  
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  TRANSPORTSSIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck 
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What can I do?

2006-05-11 Thread Ntigat
After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home that was in the first test FELV -, Iretested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat the test because Inotice that in the clinic that I made the first test, some of theresults was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that never produces FELV +My question is: what can I do with the rest of the cats of my home?Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV– can I vaccinate him? Whatabout the FELV +? I can't separate them because I have not space to do that.Thanks in advance,Virginia
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Re: Can we please add this poor baby to the CLS? Better news

2006-05-11 Thread TenHouseCats

wonderful, kerry! lots of GLOW to minnie

On 5/11/06, Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Better news--am forwarding Shana's reply!

Kerry,

I am so very sorry for the late reply. Today is my
first day off in a few weeks and I've been overwhelmed
with things I need to do.

I really appreciate your concern about Minnie. It
warms my heart that there are so many caring people
out there to turn to.

Yes, Minnie is ok! The shelter reevaluated her. They
tested her with stairs and talked again to the foster
family. She may be starting to see some shadows and
she handled stairs well, so she is probably going to
be adoptable.

She seems to have improved in the last few weeks, so I
am hoping she continues to improve.

I have arranged for her to have a pro-bono ultrasound
of her heart, and bloodwork, so we can make sure she
is healthy before being placed in a home.

If the shelter tries to adopt her and no
one wants her, I will be sure to contact you to see if
you can help.

I really, really appreciate your offer.

Thanks so much,
Shana



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Re: What can I do?

2006-05-11 Thread wendy
Hi Virginia,

I am sorry to hear that your cat has tested FeLV+, but
glad you found us.  This is a great group, and you
won't be sorry you sought us out for information.  I
don't have any FeLV+ kitties anymore after I lost my
beloved Cricket in November, but I stay around to
offer help to those who need it, just as I was offered
great information and support when I really needed it.
 

As far as the other kitties go in your house, we have
mixed views here.  Some mix their positives and
negatives, and some don't.  The ones who do believe
their kitties have already been exposed to the FeLV
and were not susceptible to it if they don't test
negative.  Some also believe that separating those who
are close will do worse damage as stress tends to kick
this virus into gear if it's in remission.  After I
found out that Cricket had FeLV, I did not separate
him from my others, as they'd already lived together
for two years.  He lived another two years before
passing, and my others have never developed the virus.
 I would not, however, foster anymore cats in your
home in the future, especially kittens, as they are
very susceptible to contracting the virus with their
yet-to-be-strengthened immune systems.  You should
probably test those in your home to see what you're
dealing with, and then retest after a period of time
(someone else here will have a better idea of how long
before retesting).  You can vaccinate if they are
FeLV-, which is probably a good idea, but the
vaccination does not always have a very high success
rate.  The two most important things for a FeLV+ kitty
is to keep them stress free and keep their immune
system boosted with a good diet (corn/grain free) and
supplements (like L-lysine).  I have a manual I can
forward you with a lot of great information.  It was
composed of posts from all the very knowledgeable
people here.  Just let me know if you need it.  I have
to forward it directly to your email versus to the
group email because the site doesn't allow
attachments.

Hope this helps,
:)
Wendy
Dallas, Tx

--- Ntigat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home
 that was in the first test FELV -, I
 retested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat
 the test because I
 notice that in the clinic that I made the first
 test, some of the
 results was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that
 never produces FELV +
 
 My question is: what can I do with the rest of the
 cats of my home?
 Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV– can I
 vaccinate him? What
 about the FELV +? I can't separate them because I
 have not space to do that.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Virginia
 
 
   
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Re: What can I do?

2006-05-11 Thread gblane
Hi Virginia,

I'd certainly go along with what Wendy says.  Would like to add a plug for 
interferon Alpha, which is used as a supplement for the immune system.  I give 
my FELV kitties a daily dose of oral interferon, a clear liquid. It's easy to 
obtain and administer, but different vets charge different prices.  I used to 
get it for $65 for a small bottle, now get it for $15 for way more in quantity 
- 1000 ml.

Best of luck,

Gloria


Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :

 Hi Virginia,
 
 I am sorry to hear that your cat has tested FeLV+, but
 glad you found us.  This is a great group, and you
 won't be sorry you sought us out for information.  I
 don't have any FeLV+ kitties anymore after I lost my
 beloved Cricket in November, but I stay around to
 offer help to those who need it, just as I was offered
 great information and support when I really needed it.
  
 
 As far as the other kitties go in your house, we have
 mixed views here.  Some mix their positives and
 negatives, and some don't.  The ones who do believe
 their kitties have already been exposed to the FeLV
 and were not susceptible to it if they don't test
 negative.  Some also believe that separating those who
 are close will do worse damage as stress tends to kick
 this virus into gear if it's in quot;remissionquot;.  After I
 found out that Cricket had FeLV, I did not separate
 him from my others, as they'd already lived together
 for two years.  He lived another two years before
 passing, and my others have never developed the virus.
  I would not, however, foster anymore cats in your
 home in the future, especially kittens, as they are
 very susceptible to contracting the virus with their
 yet-to-be-strengthened immune systems.  You should
 probably test those in your home to see what you're
 dealing with, and then retest after a period of time
 (someone else here will have a better idea of how long
 before retesting).  You can vaccinate if they are
 FeLV-, which is probably a good idea, but the
 vaccination does not always have a very high success
 rate.  The two most important things for a FeLV+ kitty
 is to keep them stress free and keep their immune
 system boosted with a good diet (corn/grain free) and
 supplements (like L-lysine).  I have a manual I can
 forward you with a lot of great information.  It was
 composed of posts from all the very knowledgeable
 people here.  Just let me know if you need it.  I have
 to forward it directly to your email versus to the
 group email because the site doesn't allow
 attachments.
 
 Hope this helps,
 
 Wendy
 Dallas, Tx
 
 --- Ntigat lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;
 wrote:
 
 gt; After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home
 gt; that was in the first test FELV -, I
 gt; retested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat
 gt; the test because I
 gt; notice that in the clinic that I made the first
 gt; test, some of the
 gt; results was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that
 gt; never produces FELV +
 gt; 
 gt; My question is: what can I do with the rest of the
 gt; cats of my home?
 gt; Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV– can I
 gt; vaccinate him? What
 gt; about the FELV +? I can't separate them because I
 gt; have not space to do that.
 gt; 
 gt; Thanks in advance,
 gt; 
 gt; Virginia
 gt; 
 gt; 
 gt;  
 gt; -
 gt; 
 gt; LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo.
 gt; Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por
 gt; minuto.
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Re: What can I do?

2006-05-11 Thread gblane
Hi Virginia,

I'd certainly go along with what Wendy says.  Would like to add a plug for 
interferon Alpha, which is used as a supplement for the immune system.  I give 
my FELV kitties a daily dose of oral interferon, a clear liquid. It's easy to 
obtain and administer, but different vets charge different prices.  I used to 
get it for $65 for a small bottle, now get it for $15 for way more in quantity 
- 1000 ml.

Best of luck,

Gloria


Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :

 Hi Virginia,
 
 I am sorry to hear that your cat has tested FeLV+, but
 glad you found us.  This is a great group, and you
 won't be sorry you sought us out for information.  I
 don't have any FeLV+ kitties anymore after I lost my
 beloved Cricket in November, but I stay around to
 offer help to those who need it, just as I was offered
 great information and support when I really needed it.
  
 
 As far as the other kitties go in your house, we have
 mixed views here.  Some mix their positives and
 negatives, and some don't.  The ones who do believe
 their kitties have already been exposed to the FeLV
 and were not susceptible to it if they don't test
 negative.  Some also believe that separating those who
 are close will do worse damage as stress tends to kick
 this virus into gear if it's in quot;remissionquot;.  After I
 found out that Cricket had FeLV, I did not separate
 him from my others, as they'd already lived together
 for two years.  He lived another two years before
 passing, and my others have never developed the virus.
  I would not, however, foster anymore cats in your
 home in the future, especially kittens, as they are
 very susceptible to contracting the virus with their
 yet-to-be-strengthened immune systems.  You should
 probably test those in your home to see what you're
 dealing with, and then retest after a period of time
 (someone else here will have a better idea of how long
 before retesting).  You can vaccinate if they are
 FeLV-, which is probably a good idea, but the
 vaccination does not always have a very high success
 rate.  The two most important things for a FeLV+ kitty
 is to keep them stress free and keep their immune
 system boosted with a good diet (corn/grain free) and
 supplements (like L-lysine).  I have a manual I can
 forward you with a lot of great information.  It was
 composed of posts from all the very knowledgeable
 people here.  Just let me know if you need it.  I have
 to forward it directly to your email versus to the
 group email because the site doesn't allow
 attachments.
 
 Hope this helps,
 
 Wendy
 Dallas, Tx
 
 --- Ntigat lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;
 wrote:
 
 gt; After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home
 gt; that was in the first test FELV -, I
 gt; retested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat
 gt; the test because I
 gt; notice that in the clinic that I made the first
 gt; test, some of the
 gt; results was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that
 gt; never produces FELV +
 gt; 
 gt; My question is: what can I do with the rest of the
 gt; cats of my home?
 gt; Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV– can I
 gt; vaccinate him? What
 gt; about the FELV +? I can't separate them because I
 gt; have not space to do that.
 gt; 
 gt; Thanks in advance,
 gt; 
 gt; Virginia
 gt; 
 gt; 
 gt;  
 gt; -
 gt; 
 gt; LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo.
 gt; Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por
 gt; minuto.
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Re: What can I do?

2006-05-11 Thread wendy
I meant The ones who do believe their kitties have
already been exposed to the FeLV and were not
susceptible to it if they don't test POSITIVE.  Oops.
 Sorry. 

--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Virginia,
 
 I am sorry to hear that your cat has tested FeLV+,
 but
 glad you found us.  This is a great group, and you
 won't be sorry you sought us out for information.  I
 don't have any FeLV+ kitties anymore after I lost my
 beloved Cricket in November, but I stay around to
 offer help to those who need it, just as I was
 offered
 great information and support when I really needed
 it.
  
 
 As far as the other kitties go in your house, we
 have
 mixed views here.  Some mix their positives and
 negatives, and some don't.  The ones who do believe
 their kitties have already been exposed to the FeLV
 and were not susceptible to it if they don't test
 negative.  Some also believe that separating those
 who
 are close will do worse damage as stress tends to
 kick
 this virus into gear if it's in remission.  After
 I
 found out that Cricket had FeLV, I did not separate
 him from my others, as they'd already lived together
 for two years.  He lived another two years before
 passing, and my others have never developed the
 virus.
  I would not, however, foster anymore cats in your
 home in the future, especially kittens, as they are
 very susceptible to contracting the virus with their
 yet-to-be-strengthened immune systems.  You should
 probably test those in your home to see what you're
 dealing with, and then retest after a period of time
 (someone else here will have a better idea of how
 long
 before retesting).  You can vaccinate if they are
 FeLV-, which is probably a good idea, but the
 vaccination does not always have a very high success
 rate.  The two most important things for a FeLV+
 kitty
 is to keep them stress free and keep their immune
 system boosted with a good diet (corn/grain free)
 and
 supplements (like L-lysine).  I have a manual I can
 forward you with a lot of great information.  It was
 composed of posts from all the very knowledgeable
 people here.  Just let me know if you need it.  I
 have
 to forward it directly to your email versus to the
 group email because the site doesn't allow
 attachments.
 
 Hope this helps,
 :)
 Wendy
 Dallas, Tx
 
 --- Ntigat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  After a year, a female cat that I foster on my
 home
  that was in the first test FELV -, I
  retested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat
  the test because I
  notice that in the clinic that I made the first
  test, some of the
  results was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that
  never produces FELV +
  
  My question is: what can I do with the rest of the
  cats of my home?
  Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV– can I
  vaccinate him? What
  about the FELV +? I can't separate them because I
  have not space to do that.
  
  Thanks in advance,
  
  Virginia
  
  
  
  -
  
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Re: What can I do?

2006-05-11 Thread cindy reasoner
I had taken in a kittie (Smokey) that turned out to be
felv+.  The 1st he was tested it was negative and I
had to have him retested and it was positive.  He had
been around some of my other cats.  I had them tested
and 3 months later had them retested.  Both times they
were negative.  I keep Smokey separated from my other
cats now.

Cindy 

--- Ntigat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home
 that was in the first test FELV -, I
 retested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat
 the test because I
 notice that in the clinic that I made the first
 test, some of the
 results was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that
 never produces FELV +
 
 My question is: what can I do with the rest of the
 cats of my home?
 Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV– can I
 vaccinate him? What
 about the FELV +? I can't separate them because I
 have not space to do that.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Virginia
 
 
   
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RE: What can I do?

2006-05-11 Thread Chris








I can understand what youre
feeling.  My Tucson tested neg when I got her as a kitten and years later tested pos. 
Shed been an indoor cat all her life and not been exposed.  Two vets
told me that the Elissa can produce a false neg in kittens as timing is the key
with kittens.  Anyway, I had 3 other non-vaccinated cats that Tucson lived with all that timetwo
of them had come in after her as kittens.  They all tested neg and I got them
vaccinated.  There was no way I could or would separate the family
and its been OK..





Chris

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ntigat
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:37
AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: What can I do?





After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home
that was in the first test FELV -, I
retested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat the test because I
notice that in the clinic that I made the first test, some of the
results was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that never produces FELV +

My question is: what can I do with the rest of the cats of my home?
Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV can I vaccinate him? What
about the FELV +? I can't separate them because I have not space to do that.

Thanks in advance,

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Interesting Reading

2006-05-11 Thread Belinda




 Here is some interesting reading I thought:

http://www.felineleukemia.com/main.html one paragraph I found
particularly interesting is:

I knew from experience that the kitten was depleted of vitamins B and
C. C is crucial for neutralizing free radicals created by the kitten's
own immune response. Cats make their own vitamin C (ever see a cat eat
an orange?), but their reserves are depleted under stress. It's
absolutely cricital to counteract free radicals, as they can do in the
liver and kidneys. B-vitamins are essential for immunity; without them,
the entire immune system will collapse. In addition, research from
Purdue University shows that vitamin B6 can inhibit FeLV in the test
tube.
-- 

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Re: Interesting Reading

2006-05-11 Thread TenHouseCats

thanks for the link, belinda--went through the site, tho, and MANY of
their links are dead (kvetch, kvetch, kvetch!)

On 5/11/06, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


   Here is some interesting reading I thought:

http://www.felineleukemia.com/main.htmlone paragraph I
found particularly interesting is:

I knew from experience that the kitten was depleted of vitamins B and C. C
is crucial for neutralizing free radicals created by the kitten's own immune
response. Cats make their own vitamin C (ever see a cat eat an orange?), but
their reserves are depleted under stress. It's absolutely cricital to
counteract free radicals, as they can do in the liver and kidneys.
B-vitamins are essential for immunity; without them, the entire immune
system will collapse. In addition, research from Purdue University shows
that vitamin B6 can inhibit FeLV in the test tube.
--


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...


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Re: Interesting Reading

2006-05-11 Thread wendy
Hi Belinda,

I hope things are going well for you and that you're
feeling ok.  Thanks for the information.  I think it's
very interesting too.

:)
Wendy

--- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Here is some interesting reading I thought:
 
 http://www.felineleukemia.com/main.htmlone
 paragraph I found 
 particularly interesting is:
 
 I knew from experience that the kitten was depleted
 of vitamins B and C. 
 C is crucial for neutralizing free radicals created
 by the kitten's own 
 immune response. Cats make their own vitamin C (ever
 see a cat eat an 
 orange?), but their reserves are depleted under
 stress. It's absolutely 
 cricital to counteract free radicals, as they can do
 in the liver and 
 kidneys. B-vitamins are essential for immunity;
 without them, the entire 
 immune system will collapse. *In addition, research
 from Purdue 
 University shows that vitamin B6 can inhibit FeLV in
 the test tube.*
 
 -- 
 
 Belinda
 happiness is being owned by cats ...
 
 Be-Mi-Kitties
 http://bemikitties.com
 
 Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
 http://adopt.bemikitties.com
 
 FeLV Candlelight Service
 http://bemikitties.com/cls
 
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Re: Interesting Reading

2006-05-11 Thread Belinda

  Wendy,
  Things are going as well as they can.  We got Bailey's ashes back 
yesterday, Mike made a nice oak box with a spot for Bailey's photo on 
the front.  I also got a pawprint impression and I have some fur from 
the last time I was cutting mats off of him.  I'm going to put his 
favorite toy in with him (he loved those electrical outlet covers).  The 
other kitties seem to be handling it OK, in fact after Mike brought 
Bailey home yesterday and put him up on the shelf with Buddie, Teenye 
and Synder several of them looked up there as if they were looking at 
something.  Yesterday Joey was in my lap laying across my shoulder while 
I was sitting on the couch and he kept looking behind my head like 
someone was there, KC likes to lay there but he wasn't then, I kept 
talking to him and finally he focused on me for a second then looked 
behind me again.  Maybe Bailey was visiting us.   :)


--

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RE: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto








Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple
of new things 

I rescued three baby cats yesterday who
were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought
and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the
kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered
to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl
space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue
friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a
little fish net to get one by one out  they were only 6 weeks old, one
calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.



The one sad thing is that their mama came
to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried
about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just
leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she
might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few,
unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that
they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we
were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take
the babies from her..



I tried to trap the mama kitty last night
but I couldnt  there are several kitties there.. I trapped one
who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter 
she is less than a year old..



Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I
will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind
catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could
put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and
she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the
mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mamaI
know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about
the mama










RE: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread Joan Doljan
A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things –  I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going
 to be able to get them out… but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out – they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there
 as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldn’t – there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mama’s previous litter – she is less than a year old..Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able
 to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I don’t mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I don’t know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama –I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mama…I know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama…  

RE: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto








I thought about that, actually, but I was
also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized..











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Joan Doljan
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken 





A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed
carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.

Hideyo Yamamoto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple
of new things 





I rescued three baby cats yesterday who
were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought
and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the
kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered
to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl
space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue
friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a
little fish net to get one by one out  they were only 6 weeks old, one
calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.











The one sad thing is that their mama came
to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried
about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just
leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she
might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few,
unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that
they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we
were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take
the babies from her..











I tried to trap the mama kitty last night
but I couldnt  there are several kitties there.. I trapped one
who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter
 she is less than a year old..











Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I
will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind catching
all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I could put
them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she
will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama
I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mamaI know
that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the
mama


















Re: Interesting Reading

2006-05-11 Thread wendy
Hey Belinda,

What a soothing thought...that Bailey is right there
with you.  Ever since we got Smookie, who favors
Cricket SO much in many different ways, I have felt
that Cricket is right there with Smookie and my heart
doesn't ache like it did.  It's very strange.  Just
yesterday I took Smookie to my regular vet, who hadn't
seen her yet, and Jenna in the front office remarked
out of the blue how much like Cricket that Smookie
looked.  I hope that you continually feel Bailey's
presence because I know it helps.  Take care of
yourself.

:)
Wendy

--- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Wendy,
Things are going as well as they can.  We got
 Bailey's ashes back 
 yesterday, Mike made a nice oak box with a spot for
 Bailey's photo on 
 the front.  I also got a pawprint impression and I
 have some fur from 
 the last time I was cutting mats off of him.  I'm
 going to put his 
 favorite toy in with him (he loved those electrical
 outlet covers).  The 
 other kitties seem to be handling it OK, in fact
 after Mike brought 
 Bailey home yesterday and put him up on the shelf
 with Buddie, Teenye 
 and Synder several of them looked up there as if
 they were looking at 
 something.  Yesterday Joey was in my lap laying
 across my shoulder while 
 I was sitting on the couch and he kept looking
 behind my head like 
 someone was there, KC likes to lay there but he
 wasn't then, I kept 
 talking to him and finally he focused on me for a
 second then looked 
 behind me again.  Maybe Bailey was visiting us.   :)
 
 -- 
 
 Belinda
 happiness is being owned by cats ...
 
 Be-Mi-Kitties
 http://bemikitties.com
 
 Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
 http://adopt.bemikitties.com
 
 FeLV Candlelight Service
 http://bemikitties.com/cls
 
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RE: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread Doljan, Joan
Title: Message



Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and 
smells the kittens.

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo 
  YamamotoSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:39 PMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken 
  
  
  I thought about that, 
  actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are 
  traumatized..
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan DoljanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 
  PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken 
  
  
  A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens 
  in a closed carrier directly infront of an 
  opened,baitedtrap.Hideyo Yamamoto 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  
  
  Hi, everyone, I 
  wanted to share a couple of new things 
  
  I rescued three baby 
  cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, 
  which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning 
  to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl 
  space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the 
  hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I 
  and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out but 
  finally using a little fish net to get one by one out  they were only 6 weeks 
  old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so 
  cute.
  
  
  
  The one sad thing is 
  that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl 
  space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I 
  thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I 
  worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there 
  (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without 
  knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were 
  there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I 
  decided to take the babies from her..
  
  
  
  I tried to trap the 
  mama kitty last night but I couldnt  there are several kitties there.. I 
  trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter 
   she is less than a year old..
  
  
  
  Anyway, I wanted to 
  ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I 
  dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where 
  I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay 
  safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am 
  heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their 
  mamaI know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not 
  think about the mama
  
  
  


RE: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Title: Message








I guess if I were going to try, I should
try it asap before the mama forgets about her babies..huh?











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Doljan, Joan
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:41
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken 







Usually the mother goes in the trap very
quickly because she hears and smells the kittens.





-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:39
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken 

I thought about that, actually, but I was
also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized..











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Joan Doljan
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken 





A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed
carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.

Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 



Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple
of new things 





I rescued three baby cats yesterday who
were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought
and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the
kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered
to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl
space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue
friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a
little fish net to get one by one out  they were only 6 weeks old, one
calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.











The one sad thing is that their mama came
to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried
about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just
leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she
might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few,
unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that
they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we
were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take
the babies from her..











I tried to trap the mama kitty last night
but I couldnt  there are several kitties there.. I trapped one
who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter
 she is less than a year old..











Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I
will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind
catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I
could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay
safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken
for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their
mamaI know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot
not think about the mama




















RE: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread Doljan, Joan
Title: Message



Yes. I figure they have a memory of about 2 or 3 days at 
most.

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo 
  YamamotoSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:43 PMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken 
  
  
  I guess if I were 
  going to try, I should try it asap before the mama forgets about her 
  babies..huh?
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doljan, JoanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:41 
  PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken 
  
  
  
  Usually the mother 
  goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the 
  kittens.
  
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo 
YamamotoSent: Thursday, 
May 11, 2006 3:39 PMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken 

I thought about 
that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are 
traumatized..





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan DoljanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken 


A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens 
in a closed carrier directly infront of an 
opened,baitedtrap.Hideyo Yamamoto 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


Hi, everyone, I 
wanted to share a couple of new things 

I rescued three 
baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned 
house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was 
planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under 
the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually 
under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand 
and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to 
get them out but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out  
they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) 
and they are all so cute.



The one sad thing 
is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl 
space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, 
I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and 
I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near 
there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space 
without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times 
(while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad 
for mama but I decided to take the babies from 
her..



I tried to trap the 
mama kitty last night but I couldnt  there are several kitties there.. I 
trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous 
litter  she is less than a year old..



Anyway, I wanted to 
ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if 
I dont mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know 
where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama 
will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I 
am heartbroken for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from 
their mamaI know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot 
not think about the mama





FeLV+ Kitten needs home in Dallas area

2006-05-11 Thread wendy
Hi guys,

My vet called me yesterday and wanted to know if I
knew anyone who wants an FeLV+ kitten (tested twice
now).  The kitten's name is Ballerina.  She is 8
months old, not spayed, but the owner said they were
willing to do that first or contribute money towards
the spay if it meant adopting her out.  She is
short-haired, white, with orange and gray splotches. 
She belongs to a little girl, who named her, and the
mom said Ballerina is very sweet.  They have two other
cats that are 8 years old and negative (tested twice
now six weeks apart) and they don't want to risk them
contracting FeLV.  She said she'd rather the kitten
have a good home than go to a shelter.  She also said
she'd be happy to send photos via email.  The lady I
spoke with was very nice, and I'm sure this kitten has
been taken very good care of.  Ballerina is currently
asymptomatic.  Let me know if you or someone you know
may be interested in giving this kitten a loving home.
 

:)
Wendy

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RE: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread wendy
Hideyo,

I hope you are able to catch the mama kitty quickly. 
Good luck!

:)
Wendy

--- Hideyo Yamamoto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new
 things -
 
 I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living
 under the crawl
 space of the abandoned house, which is now bought
 and be ready to be
 renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of
 the kittens along
 with all the kitties who live under the crawl space
 and I offered to
 take them.  The babies were actually under the hole
 under the crawl
 space which only the size of my entire hand and
 thought I and Kathy (my
 rescue friend) were never going to be able to get
 them out... but
 finally using a little fish net to get one by one
 out - they were only 6
 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell
 (?) and they are
 all so cute.
 
  
 
 The one sad thing is that their mama came to look
 for the babies while
 we were under the crawl space, she was so worried
 about us doing
 something to the babies.. one time, I thought we
 should just leave and
 have the mama take care of the babies and I worry
 that later on, she
 might take babies some other crawl space near there
 (there a few,
 unfortunately), and people might close the crawl
 space without knowing
 that they were there.. the mama came back several
 times (while we were
 there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt
 very bad for mama but
 I decided to take the babies from her..
 
  
 
 I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I
 couldn't - there are
 several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked
 like mama.. but she
 must be from mama's previous litter - she is less
 than a year old..
 
  
 
 Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be
 able to catch mama
 soon (I probably could, if I don't mind catching all
 other kitties who
 live there.. but I don't know where I could put them
 now as I am running
 out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and
 she will not be
 worrying too much about their babies. I am
 heartbroken for the mama -I
 feel very badly for taking the babies from their
 mama...I know that this
 is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not
 think about the
 mama...
 
  
 
 


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RE: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Title: Message








I know.. thats so sad (or is it
blessing??)  I had one time rescued a mama kitten who got attacked by a
dog and got re-united with her babies after 4 or 5 days and she did not
remember the babies at all











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Yes. I figure they have a memory of
about 2 or 3 days at most.





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I guess if I were going to try, I should
try it asap before the mama forgets about her babies..huh?











From:
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Usually the mother goes in the trap very
quickly because she hears and smells the kittens.





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I thought about that, actually, but I was
also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized..











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A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed
carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.

Hideyo Yamamoto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple
of new things 





I rescued three baby cats yesterday who
were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought
and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the
kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered
to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl
space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue
friend) were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a
little fish net to get one by one out  they were only 6 weeks old, one
calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.











The one sad thing is that their mama came
to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried
about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just
leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she
might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately),
and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there..
the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for
about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from
her..











I tried to trap the mama kitty last night
but I couldnt  there are several kitties there.. I trapped one
who looked like mama.. but she must be from mamas previous litter
 she is less than a year old..











Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I
will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I dont mind
catching all other kitties who live there.. but I dont know where I
could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay
safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken
for the mama I feel very badly for taking the babies from their
mamaI know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot
not think about the mama






















OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread gblane

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle 
Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his 
owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never taken a 
kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.


The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the 
sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, 
along with Rescue Remedy.


Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think the 
dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.


Thanks much!

Gloria




Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread clawsnpaws



Acepromazine for a cat? This was 
first choice sedative? WOW! Tough stuff for kitty 
IMO,especially since he's riding in cabin with you.

We only use this in cats to induce 
anesthesia sometimes. It dilates their pupils a lot and stays in their system 
for a day or two depending on how fast yourtheir metabolism is. We also 
use it for animals that go home after exstensive surgery and they need to stay 
still (like bone breaks, etc...). Their appetite will decrease to almost nothing 
and sometimes they won't want to eat at all. Personally, I wouldn't use it, not 
for a 2 1/2 hour flight.

~ Rachel


Operation Foster 
Felixwww.operationfosterfelix.orgSharing Our Hearts, Homes  Litter Boxes 


"If you talk to the animals they will talk 
with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will 
not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one 
destroys." --Chief Dan George
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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:20 PM
Subject: OT: sedative before flying 
(ACE)
Hey folks,I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour 
flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty 
to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've 
never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.The 
vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative 
or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with 
Rescue Remedy.Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With 
ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if 
needed.Thanks much!Gloria


RE: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending
on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard
to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed.

I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to
seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a
loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay
without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic,
usually the reaction is greater to the drug..

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle 
Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his 
owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never taken a 
kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.

The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the 
sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, 
along with Rescue Remedy.

Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think the 
dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.

Thanks much!

Gloria







RE: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread Chris
I've taken Tucson a couple of times across the country.  I never gave her
ACE---I was prepared for all possibilities---had a backpack that weighed a
ton with food, water, wipes, leash, collars, health cert, toys, towels, and
on and on.  She slept the whole way.  I had to change planes and opened the
flaps on the carrier (Sherpa softsided) so she could see out--she sort of
looked at me like I was insane!  

The only problem I had was that they make you take the cat out of the
carrier when you go thru metal detector.  I had put a harness on her before
we left home and when I had to take her out, I clipped the leash which I
wrapped around my arm.  Then I picked her out of the top of the carrier by
putting a big towel around her and lifting her so tthat it covered her and
she couldn't see all those people looking at her.  Security said something
about having to see the cat so I let them peek as I held her.  Then I just
put her back in the carrier at the end of the xray machine thing-before I
put on my shoes, grabbed my backpack and just got myself together.

I wouldn't use ACE for a flight--they say that the change in cabin pressure
and the ACE are not a good match.  I think that most cats don't like all
those strange people around them and just go off to sleep.  I used a medium
sized soft-sided carrier--fits better under the seat.  At one point, it was
sticking out a bit because airlines had put something or other under the
seat in front of me--steward pointed that out and I asked where they would
like me to put her!  Nobody every bothered me again...

Tucson did a whole lot better on the flight than I did--I suspect that's
about normal!

Chris
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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:21 PM
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Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle 
Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his 
owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never taken a 
kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.

The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the 
sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, 
along with Rescue Remedy.

Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think the 
dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.

Thanks much!

Gloria







RE: Interesting Reading

2006-05-11 Thread Chris
Bailey was right there watching--he's home and he's healthy!

Chris
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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Interesting Reading

   Wendy,
   Things are going as well as they can.  We got Bailey's ashes back 
yesterday, Mike made a nice oak box with a spot for Bailey's photo on 
the front.  I also got a pawprint impression and I have some fur from 
the last time I was cutting mats off of him.  I'm going to put his 
favorite toy in with him (he loved those electrical outlet covers).  The 
other kitties seem to be handling it OK, in fact after Mike brought 
Bailey home yesterday and put him up on the shelf with Buddie, Teenye 
and Synder several of them looked up there as if they were looking at 
something.  Yesterday Joey was in my lap laying across my shoulder while 
I was sitting on the couch and he kept looking behind my head like 
someone was there, KC likes to lay there but he wasn't then, I kept 
talking to him and finally he focused on me for a second then looked 
behind me again.  Maybe Bailey was visiting us.   :)

-- 

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

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Re: Interesting Reading

2006-05-11 Thread Marylyn

He is visiting.  They know.  You will know soon.






If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:04 PM
Subject: RE: Interesting Reading



Bailey was right there watching--he's home and he's healthy!

Chris
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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Interesting Reading

  Wendy,
  Things are going as well as they can.  We got Bailey's ashes back
yesterday, Mike made a nice oak box with a spot for Bailey's photo on
the front.  I also got a pawprint impression and I have some fur from
the last time I was cutting mats off of him.  I'm going to put his
favorite toy in with him (he loved those electrical outlet covers).  The
other kitties seem to be handling it OK, in fact after Mike brought
Bailey home yesterday and put him up on the shelf with Buddie, Teenye
and Synder several of them looked up there as if they were looking at
something.  Yesterday Joey was in my lap laying across my shoulder while
I was sitting on the couch and he kept looking behind my head like
someone was there, KC likes to lay there but he wasn't then, I kept
talking to him and finally he focused on me for a second then looked
behind me again.  Maybe Bailey was visiting us.   :)

--

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties
http://bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com

FeLV Candlelight Service
http://bemikitties.com/cls

HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting  web design]
http://HostDesign4U.com



BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]
http://bmk.bemikitties.com













Re: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread Nina




I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about
having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a
charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the
strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a
great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site.
I know you have problems with the "return" part of TNR, but please
think about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down the line.
Love to you sweetheart,
Nina

Joan Doljan wrote:
A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a
closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.
  
  Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  



Hi,
everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things 
I rescued
three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the
abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the
new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the
kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The
babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only
the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend)
were never going to be able to get them out but finally using a little
fish net to get one by one out  they were only 6 weeks old, one
calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.

The one sad
thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were
under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to
the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama
take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take
babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately),
and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were
there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we
were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided
to take the babies from her..

I tried to
trap the mama kitty last night but I couldnt  there are several
kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be
from mamas previous litter  she is less than a year old..

Anyway, I
wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I
probably could, if I dont mind catching all other kitties who live
there.. but I dont know where I could put them now as I am running out
of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying
too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama I feel very
badly for taking the babies from their mamaI know that this is
probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama


  
  





Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread Nina
I agree with the suggestions to not use any sedative.  It has been my 
experience that the feeling of not being in control of themselves makes 
them stress out even more.  It sounds like this kitty is tame and would 
probably be better off with out the Ace.  Don't forget that big towel to 
wrap her in when you have to remove her from the carrier!  Put the 
harness and short leash on her when you leave the house, (don't forget 
id tags).  You guys will be fine, just keep your cool and she will too.

Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending
on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard
to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed.

I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to
seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a
loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay
without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic,
usually the reaction is greater to the drug..

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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle 
Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his 
owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never taken a 
kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.


The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the 
sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, 
along with Rescue Remedy.


Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think the 
dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.


Thanks much!

Gloria







 






Re: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread Jennifer Ross
I have never heard of ACE, but did have a friend who used Benadryl to transport a cat in the cabin of an airplane. She had to give it pretty early before the flight, but the cat was apparently OK during the whole flight (2-3 hours). Don't know the dose though, so I would check with your vet...[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hey folks,I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy.Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think
 the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.Thanks much!Gloria
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Re: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread janine paton
I've also trapped moms using kittens for bait.  It's
heartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after the
spay  and she looks so much better and relaxed.  

Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - the
kittens will get bigger, she will have a harder time
caring for them.  They will start wandering and
something could happen to them.  She will get pregnant
again and not want that litter anymore.  

When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and mom
sees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she is
relieved and it's probably the first break she's had
in a long time.  I've had mothers who are sick but you
wouldn't even know it until they understand they no
longer have pretend to be fine just because they have
kittens.

I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can but
I always  tell her it's OK, her babies are fine.

Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will make
a big difference in her quality of life.



--- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've done this with kittens and their Momma.  I too
 was upset about 
 having to put the kittens through the experience,
 but it worked like a 
 charm and the kitten did fine.  I didn't use all the
 kittens, just the 
 strongest guy.  If you continue to trap, you'd be
 doing the ferals a 
 great service by having them s/n and then returning
 them to the site.  I 
 know you have problems with the return part of
 TNR, but please think 
 about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down
 the line.
 Love to you sweetheart,
 Nina
 
 Joan Doljan wrote:
 
  A good way to catch the mother is to put the
 kittens in a closed 
  carrier directly infront of an opened, baited
 trap.
 
  */Hideyo Yamamoto
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:
 
  Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of
 new things -
  I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were
 living under the
  crawl space of the abandoned house, which is
 now bought and be
  ready to be renovated.. the new owner was
 planning to get rid of
  the kittens along with all the kitties who
 live under the crawl
  space and I offered to take them.  The babies
 were actually under
  the hole under the crawl space which only the
 size of my entire
  hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue
 friend) were never going
  to be able to get them out... but finally
 using a little fish net
  to get one by one out - they were only 6 weeks
 old, one calico,
  one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are
 all so cute.
   
  The one sad thing is that their mama came to
 look for the babies
  while we were under the crawl space, she was
 so worried about us
  doing something to the babies.. one time, I
 thought we should just
  leave and have the mama take care of the
 babies and I worry that
  later on, she might take babies some other
 crawl space near there
  (there a few, unfortunately), and people might
 close the crawl
  space without knowing that they were there..
 the mama came back
  several times (while we were there as we were
 there for about 5
  hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I
 decided to take the babies
  from her..
   
  I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but
 I couldn't - there
  are several kitties there.. I trapped one who
 looked like mama..
  but she must be from mama's previous litter -
 she is less than a
  year old..
   
  Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I
 will be able to catch
  mama soon (I probably could, if I don't mind
 catching all other
  kitties who live there.. but I don't know
 where I could put them
  now as I am running out of crate) --- and the
 mama will stay safe
  and she will not be worrying too much about
 their babies. I am
  heartbroken for the mama -I feel very badly
 for taking the babies
  from their mama...I know that this is probably
 the right thing..
  but I still cannot not think about the mama...
   
 
 
 




Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread Tad Burnett
Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out to 
get used to it...
Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't 
think she would

know the difference of going off the ground...
Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted 
if  you are

with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case...
Tad

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending
on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard
to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed.

I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to
seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a
loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay
without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic,
usually the reaction is greater to the drug..

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle 
Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his 
owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never taken a 
kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.


The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the 
sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, 
along with Rescue Remedy.


Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think the 
dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.


Thanks much!

Gloria








 






Re: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread Susan Hoffman
Is there a safe place to relocate momcat? I have a mini-colony of ferals in my back yard and two were relocated from another place to there.Hideyo, are you a member of the feral cat group yet? You may want to join. It's at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feral_cats/Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site. I know you have problems with the "return" part of TNR, but please think
 about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down the line.Love to you sweetheart,NinaJoan Doljan wrote:   A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things –  I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along
 with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out… but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out – they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies
 and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldn’t – there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mama’s previous litter – she is less than a year old..Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I don’t mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I don’t know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama –I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mama…I know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama…  

Prayers for Allie

2006-05-11 Thread Jennifer Ross
Allie was back at the vet today with 105 fever- came down to 102.5 with Metacam (kitty NSAID) and sq fluids. I did get the vet to show me how to give the sq fluids, so I can administer them now if she stops eating and drinking and looks dehydrated, or if her temp goes up (I've been monitoring her temp daily). They were also thinking of giving me some Metacamto administer at home, but decided to hold off on that. This is her 3rd temp spike in 2 weeks. The vet was prepping me for the fact that at some point Allie's body is not going to be able to tolerate these temps anymore and is not going to fight them off even with treatments because the fevers are causing such a stress on her system. Of course we don't know if that will be a week or a month, but it looks like it may be sooner than I thought. It's so hard because 2 days ago she was totally back to herself- eating great, playing, and she even sleep with us! I guess the calm
 before the storm... Keep her in your thoughts. I don't want her to suffer, but I'm not ready to say good-bye yet either! I'm still hoping she can beat these fevers, but that's not looking realistic anymore and I don't want to torture her...
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Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread Nina
Good suggestion Tad!  Depending on how much time you have you can also 
start feeding in the carrier to get her used to feeling safe in there. 
Nina


Tad Burnett wrote:

Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out 
to get used to it...
Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't 
think she would

know the difference of going off the ground...
Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted 
if  you are

with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case...
Tad






Re: Prayers for Allie

2006-05-11 Thread Marylyn



Calm yourself and let her guide you. You must 
ask her what she wants and you must ask her to tell you when she wants it. 
She will if you can listen (that is the hard part). She may need 
permission to make choices. Calm yourself and be very gentle with yourself 
and with Allie. Enjoy every minute--no, every second with her. She 
is a precious soul.






 
If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
creatures 
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 
will deal likewise with their fellow 
man. 
St. Francis

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jennifer 
  Ross 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:28 
PM
  Subject: Prayers for Allie
  Allie was back at the vet today with 105 fever- came down to 
  102.5 with Metacam (kitty NSAID) and sq fluids. I did get the vet to 
  show me how to give the sq fluids, so I can administer them now if she stops 
  eating and drinking and looks dehydrated, or if her temp goes up (I've been 
  monitoring her temp daily). They were also thinking of giving me some 
  Metacamto administer at home, but decided to hold off on that. 
  This is her 3rd temp spike in 2 weeks. The vet was prepping me for the 
  fact that at some point Allie's body is not going to be able to tolerate these 
  temps anymore and is not going to fight them off even with treatments because 
  the fevers are causing such a stress on her system. Of course we don't 
  know if that will be a week or a month, but it looks like it may be sooner 
  than I thought. It's so hard because 2 days ago she was totally back to 
  herself- eating great, playing, and she even sleep with us! I guess the 
  calm before the storm... Keep her in your thoughts. I don't want 
  her to suffer, but I'm not ready to say good-bye yet either! I'm still 
  hoping she can beat these fevers, but that's not looking realistic anymore and 
  I don't want to torture her...
  
  
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Re: Prayers for Allie

2006-05-11 Thread Kat

Both you and Allie are in my prayers.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Thu, 11 May 2006, Jennifer Ross wrote:

 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:28:14 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Jennifer Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Prayers for Allie

 Allie was back at the vet today with 105 fever- came down to 102.5 with 
 Metacam (kitty NSAID) and sq fluids.  I did get the vet to show me how to 
 give the sq fluids, so I can administer them now if she stops eating and 
 drinking and looks dehydrated, or if her temp goes up (I've been monitoring 
 her temp daily).  They were also thinking of giving me some Metacam to 
 administer at home, but decided to hold off on that.  This is her 3rd temp 
 spike in 2 weeks.  The vet was prepping me for the fact that at some point 
 Allie's body is not going to be able to tolerate these temps anymore and is 
 not going to fight them off even with treatments because the fevers are 
 causing such a stress on her system.  Of course we don't know if that will be 
 a week or a month, but it looks like it may be sooner than I thought.  It's 
 so hard because 2 days ago she was totally back to herself- eating great, 
 playing, and she even sleep with us!  I guess the calm before the storm...  
 Keep her in your
  thoughts.  I don't want her to suffer, but I'm not ready to say good-bye yet 
 either!  I'm still hoping she can beat these fevers, but that's not looking 
 realistic anymore and I don't want to torture her...

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Re: Prayers for Allie

2006-05-11 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Jennifer my prayers and good thoughts are with you and Allie!!  SherryJennifer Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Allie was back at the vet today with 105 fever- came down to 102.5 with Metacam (kitty NSAID) and sq fluids. I did get the vet to show me how to give the sq fluids, so I can administer them now if she stops eating and drinking and looks dehydrated, or if her temp goes up (I've been monitoring her temp daily). They were also thinking of giving me some Metacamto administer at home, but decided to hold off on that. This is her 3rd temp spike in 2 weeks. The vet was prepping me for the fact that at some point Allie's body is not going to be able to tolerate these temps anymore and is not going to fight them off even with treatments because the fevers are causing such a stress on her
 system. Of course we don't know if that will be a week or a month, but it looks like it may be sooner than I thought. It's so hard because 2 days ago she was totally back to herself- eating great, playing, and she even sleep with us! I guess the calm before the storm... Keep her in your thoughts. I don't want her to suffer, but I'm not ready to say good-bye yet either! I'm still hoping she can beat these fevers, but that's not looking realistic anymore and I don't want to torture her...  Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
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Re: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread jenmeyer
Heh, I'd be more inclined to take the sedative myself and let the little
one be!  ;)

In all seriousness, the little guy should be okay without it...I picked
up our Marvin (FeLV+ Siamese) in New Jersey and flew him back to Houston
with me in the cabin...other than the strange looks from passengers
wondering where that soft (or not so soft if you've ever had a Siamese
;)  ) meow was coming from, we didn't run into any issues...Even
taking him out of the carrier for the metal detector, he clung to me
like there was no tomorrow!  I also had one of those soft-sided carriers
with flaps to cover the sides in case the outside world got to be too
much...but Marvie did just great!



But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:20 pm
Subject: OT:  sedative before flying (ACE)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Hey folks,
 
 I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from 
 LIttle 
 Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his 
 owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never taken a 
 kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.
 
 The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use 
 the 
 sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be 
 Benadryl, 
 along with Rescue Remedy.
 
 Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think 
 the 
 dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.
 
 Thanks much!
 
 Gloria
 




RE: Prayers for Allie

2006-05-11 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Hi, you and Allie are in my thought and prayers -

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:41 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Prayers for Allie


Both you and Allie are in my prayers.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Thu, 11 May 2006, Jennifer Ross wrote:

 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:28:14 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Jennifer Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Prayers for Allie

 Allie was back at the vet today with 105 fever- came down to 102.5 with 
 Metacam (kitty NSAID) and sq fluids.  I did get the vet to show me how to 
 give the sq fluids, so I can administer them now if she stops eating and 
 drinking and looks dehydrated, or if her temp goes up (I've been monitoring 
 her temp daily).  They were also thinking of giving me some Metacam to 
 administer at home, but decided to hold off on that.  This is her 3rd temp 
 spike in 2 weeks.  The vet was prepping me for the fact that at some point 
 Allie's body is not going to be able to tolerate these temps anymore and is 
 not going to fight them off even with treatments because the fevers are 
 causing such a stress on her system.  Of course we don't know if that will be 
 a week or a month, but it looks like it may be sooner than I thought.  It's 
 so hard because 2 days ago she was totally back to herself- eating great, 
 playing, and she even sleep with us!  I guess the calm before the storm...  
 Keep her in your
  thoughts.  I don't want her to suffer, but I'm not ready to say good-bye yet 
 either!  I'm still hoping she can beat these fevers, but that's not looking 
 realistic anymore and I don't want to torture her...

 -
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Re: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread Susan Hoffman
Several years ago when I trapped Cutie-Pie's babies one by one and brought them inside, she cried and ran around the house looking for them at first. But when she saw them in my foyer through the screen door she was fine. She knew I had them. (They screamed like crazy for her but she was fine with it.) Cutie-Pie was later trapped and spayed and then returned to my backyard. She is an untouchable feral girl. Now she is a plump plush little feral queen who presides over a colony of herself and 4 neutered feral boys. They live in my backyard and basement, are spoiled rotten (canned and dry food, catnip), and are very happy and safe there. In all these years Cutie has never allowed me the pet her, even once, but she will sit near me when I am outside and blink her eyes at me (throwing kisses).janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I've also trapped moms using kittens for bait. It'sheartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after thespay and she looks so much better and relaxed. Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - thekittens will get bigger, she will have a harder timecaring for them. They will start wandering andsomething could happen to them. She will get pregnantagain and not want that litter anymore. When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and momsees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she isrelieved and it's probably the first break she's hadin a long time. I've had mothers who are sick but youwouldn't even know it until they understand they nolonger have pretend to be fine just because they havekittens. I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can butI always tell her it's OK, her babies are fine.Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will
 makea big difference in her quality of life.--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about  having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a  charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the  strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a  great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site. I  know you have problems with the "return" part of TNR, but please think  about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down the line. Love to you sweetheart, Nina  Joan Doljan wrote:   A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed   carrier directly infront of an opened, baited trap.  
 */Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:   Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things -  I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the  crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be  ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of  the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl  space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under  the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire  hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going  to be able to get them out... but finally using a little fish net  to get one by one out - they were only 6 weeks old, one calico,  one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they
 are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies  while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us  doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just  leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that  later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there  (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl  space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back  several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5  hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies  from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldn't - there  are several kitties there.. I
 trapped one who looked like mama..  but she must be from mama's previous litter - she is less than a  year old..Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch  mama soon (I probably could, if I don't mind catching all other  kitties who live there.. but I don't know where I could put them  now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe  and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am  heartbroken for the mama -I feel very badly for taking the babies  from their mama...I know that this is probably the right thing..  but I still cannot not think about the mama... 

RE: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto








Hi, everyone, please understand  I do
spay and neuter whenever the opportunity there is  I dont even
want to tell you how many cats I have with me because its going to freak
everyone out  but I am saying that I simply dont have a space
right now to even temporarily keep them.. I am used up all the crates that I
have because I have trapped some moreI might have to catch ten or twenty
before I can get the mama, but the meantime, I dont have a place to
recover all of them thats my dilemma, otherwise I would have
gotten all of them right away.











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:04
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: heartbroken





Several years ago when I trapped Cutie-Pie's babies one by one and
brought them inside, she cried and ran around the house looking for them at
first. But when she saw them in my foyer through the screen door she was
fine. She knew I had them. (They screamed like crazy for her but
she was fine with it.) Cutie-Pie was later trapped and spayed and then
returned to my backyard. She is an untouchable feral girl. Now she
is a plump plush little feral queen who presides over a colony of herself and 4
neutered feral boys. They live in my backyard and basement, are spoiled
rotten (canned and dry food, catnip), and are very happy and safe there.
In all these years Cutie has never allowed me the pet her, even once, but she
will sit near me when I am outside and blink her eyes at me (throwing kisses).

janine paton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

I've also trapped moms
using kittens for bait. It's
heartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after the
spay and she looks so much better and relaxed. 

Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - the
kittens will get bigger, she will have a harder time
caring for them. They will start wandering and
something could happen to them. She will get pregnant
again and not want that litter anymore. 

When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and mom
sees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she is
relieved and it's probably the first break she's had
in a long time. I've had mothers who are sick but you
wouldn't even know it until they understand they no
longer have pretend to be fine just because they have
kittens. 

I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can but
I always tell her it's OK, her babies are fine.

Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will make
a big difference in her quality of life.



--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

 I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too
 was upset about 
 having to put the kittens through the experience,
 but it worked like a 
 charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the
 kittens, just the 
 strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be
 doing the ferals a 
 great service by having them s/n and then returning
 them to the site. I 
 know you have problems with the return part of
 TNR, but please think 
 about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down
 the line.
 Love to you sweetheart,
 Nina
 
 Joan Doljan wrote:
 
  A good way to catch the mother is to put the
 kittens in a closed 
  carrier directly infront of an opened, baited
 trap.
 
  */Hideyo Yamamoto
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
 
  Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of
 new things -
  I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were
 living under the
  crawl space of the abandoned house, which is
 now bought and be
  ready to be renovated.. the new owner was
 planning to get rid of
  the kittens along with all the kitties who
 live under the crawl
  space and I offered to take them. The babies
 were actually under
  the hole under the crawl space which only the
 size of my entire
  hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue
 friend) were never going
  to be able to get them out... but finally
 using a little fish net
  to get one by one out - they were only 6 weeks
 old, one calico,
  one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are
 all so cute.
  
  The one sad thing is that their mama came to
 look for the babies
  while we were under the crawl space, she was
 so worried about us
  doing something to the babies.. one time, I
 thought we should just
  leave and have the mama take care of the
 babies and I worry that
  later on, she might take babies some other
 crawl space near there
  (there a few, unfortunately), and people might
 close the crawl
  space without knowing that they were there..
 the mama came back
  several times (while we were there as we were
 there for about 5
  hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I
 decided to take the babies
  from her..
  
  I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but
 I couldn't - there
  are several kitties there.. I trapped one who
 looked like mama..
  but she must be from mama's previous litter -
 she is less than a
  year old..
  
  Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I
 will be able to catch
  mama soon (I probably could, if I don't mind
 catching all 

RE: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread Susan Hoffman
Where are you located? Perhaps there are other rescue people in your area. Your really must join the freral cat group I referenced in my earlier post. It's a nationwide group with close to 2000 members now.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, everyone, please understand – I do spay and neuter whenever the opportunity there is – I don’t even
 want to tell you how many cats I have with me because it’s going to freak everyone out – but I am saying that I simply don’t have a space right now to even temporarily keep them.. I am used up all the crates that I have because I have trapped some more…I might have to catch ten or twenty before I can get the mama, but the meantime, I don’t have a place to recover all of them… that’s my dilemma, otherwise I would have gotten all of them right away.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:04 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: heartbrokenSeveral years ago when I trapped Cutie-Pie's babies one by one and brought them inside, she cried and ran
 around the house looking for them at first. But when she saw them in my foyer through the screen door she was fine. She knew I had them. (They screamed like crazy for her but she was fine with it.) Cutie-Pie was later trapped and spayed and then returned to my backyard. She is an untouchable feral girl. Now she is a plump plush little feral queen who presides over a colony of herself and 4 neutered feral boys. They live in my backyard and basement, are spoiled rotten (canned and dry food, catnip), and are very happy and safe there. In all these years Cutie has never allowed me the pet her, even once, but she will sit near me when I am outside and blink her eyes at me (throwing kisses).janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I've also trapped moms using kittens for bait. It'sheartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after thespay and she looks so much better and relaxed. Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - thekittens will get bigger, she will have a harder timecaring for them. They will start wandering andsomething could happen to them. She will get pregnantagain and not want that litter anymore. When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and momsees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she isrelieved and it's probably the first break she's hadin a long time. I've had mothers who are sick but youwouldn't even know it until they understand they nolonger have pretend to be fine just because they havekittens. I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can butI always tell her it's OK, her babies are fine.Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will
 makea big difference in her quality of life.--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about  having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a  charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the  strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a  great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site. I  know you have problems with the "return" part of TNR, but please think  about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down the line. Love to you sweetheart, Nina  Joan Doljan wrote:   A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed   carrier directly infront of an opened, baited trap.  
 */Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:   Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things -  I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the  crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be  ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of  the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl  space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under  the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire  hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going  to be able to get them out... but finally using a little fish net  to get one by one out - they were only 6 weeks old, one calico,  one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they
 are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies  while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us  doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just  leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that  later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there  (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl  space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back  several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5  hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies  from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldn't - there  are several kitties there.. I
 trapped one who looked like mama..  but she must be from mama's previous litter 

RE: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread Susan Hoffman
Where are you located? Perhaps there are other rescue people in your area. Your really must join the feral cat group I referenced in my earlier post. It's a nationwide group with close to 2000 members now.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, everyone, please understand – I do spay and neuter whenever the opportunity there is – I don’t even want
 to tell you how many cats I have with me because it’s going to freak everyone out – but I am saying that I simply don’t have a space right now to even temporarily keep them.. I am used up all the crates that I have because I have trapped some more…I might have to catch ten or twenty before I can get the mama, but the meantime, I don’t have a place to recover all of them… that’s my dilemma, otherwise I would have gotten all of them right away.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:04 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: heartbrokenSeveral years ago when I trapped Cutie-Pie's babies one by one and brought them inside, she cried and ran
 around the house looking for them at first. But when she saw them in my foyer through the screen door she was fine. She knew I had them. (They screamed like crazy for her but she was fine with it.) Cutie-Pie was later trapped and spayed and then returned to my backyard. She is an untouchable feral girl. Now she is a plump plush little feral queen who presides over a colony of herself and 4 neutered feral boys. They live in my backyard and basement, are spoiled rotten (canned and dry food, catnip), and are very happy and safe there. In all these years Cutie has never allowed me the pet her, even once, but she will sit near me when I am outside and blink her eyes at me (throwing kisses).janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I've also trapped moms using kittens for bait. It'sheartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after thespay and she looks so much better and relaxed. Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - thekittens will get bigger, she will have a harder timecaring for them. They will start wandering andsomething could happen to them. She will get pregnantagain and not want that litter anymore. When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and momsees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she isrelieved and it's probably the first break she's hadin a long time. I've had mothers who are sick but youwouldn't even know it until they understand they nolonger have pretend to be fine just because they havekittens. I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can butI always tell her it's OK, her babies are fine.Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will
 makea big difference in her quality of life.--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about  having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a  charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the  strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a  great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site. I  know you have problems with the "return" part of TNR, but please think  about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down the line. Love to you sweetheart, Nina  Joan Doljan wrote:   A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed   carrier directly infront of an opened, baited trap.  
 */Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:   Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things -  I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the  crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be  ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of  the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl  space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under  the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire  hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going  to be able to get them out... but finally using a little fish net  to get one by one out - they were only 6 weeks old, one calico,  one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they
 are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies  while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us  doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just  leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that  later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there  (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl  space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back  several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5  hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies  from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldn't - there  are several kitties there.. I
 trapped one who looked like mama..  but she must be from mama's previous litter 

RE: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto








I am pretty well connected with the people
in the rescue group  I know them and they all know about me pretty much..
all the people I know of, they are in some what similar situations as I am they
usually find a problem for ME to solve because they know that I will not say NOand
they are right.. I never say NO to any cats who need a help and thats
why I have what I have ---some are Felk, or FIV, or injured, sick.. I nurture
them back to health whenever I can.. and no one wants the cats I have.. but
instead they call me if I could take care of the ones they find..











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:17
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: OT: heartbroken





Where are you located? Perhaps there are other rescue people in
your area. Your really must join the freral cat group I referenced in my
earlier post. It's a nationwide group with close to 2000 members now.

Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 



Hi, everyone, please understand  I
do spay and neuter whenever the opportunity there is  I dont even
want to tell you how many cats I have with me because its going to freak
everyone out  but I am saying that I simply dont have a space
right now to even temporarily keep them.. I am used up all the crates that I
have because I have trapped some moreI might have to catch ten or twenty
before I can get the mama, but the meantime, I dont have a place to
recover all of them thats my dilemma, otherwise I would have
gotten all of them right away.



















From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:04
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: heartbroken













Several years ago when I trapped Cutie-Pie's babies one by one and
brought them inside, she cried and ran around the house looking for them at
first. But when she saw them in my foyer through the screen door she was
fine. She knew I had them. (They screamed like crazy for her but
she was fine with it.) Cutie-Pie was later trapped and spayed and then returned
to my backyard. She is an untouchable feral girl. Now she is a
plump plush little feral queen who presides over a colony of herself and 4
neutered feral boys. They live in my backyard and basement, are spoiled
rotten (canned and dry food, catnip), and are very happy and safe there.
In all these years Cutie has never allowed me the pet her, even once, but she
will sit near me when I am outside and blink her eyes at me (throwing kisses).

janine paton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 





I've also trapped moms
using kittens for bait. It's
heartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after the
spay and she looks so much better and relaxed. 

Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - the
kittens will get bigger, she will have a harder time
caring for them. They will start wandering and
something could happen to them. She will get pregnant
again and not want that litter anymore. 

When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and mom
sees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she is
relieved and it's probably the first break she's had
in a long time. I've had mothers who are sick but you
wouldn't even know it until they understand they no
longer have pretend to be fine just because they have
kittens. 

I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can but
I always tell her it's OK, her babies are fine.

Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will make
a big difference in her quality of life.



--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

 I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too
 was upset about 
 having to put the kittens through the experience,
 but it worked like a 
 charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the
 kittens, just the 
 strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be
 doing the ferals a 
 great service by having them s/n and then returning
 them to the site. I 
 know you have problems with the return part of
 TNR, but please think 
 about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down
 the line.
 Love to you sweetheart,
 Nina
 
 Joan Doljan wrote:
 
  A good way to catch the mother is to put the
 kittens in a closed 
  carrier directly infront of an opened, baited
 trap.
 
  */Hideyo Yamamoto
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
 
  Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of
 new things -
  I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were
 living under the
  crawl space of the abandoned house, which is
 now bought and be
  ready to be renovated.. the new owner was
 planning to get rid of
  the kittens along with all the kitties who
 live under the crawl
  space and I offered to take them. The babies
 were actually under
  the hole under the crawl space which only the
 size of my entire
  hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue
 friend) were never going
  to be able to get them out... but finally
 using a little fish net
  to get one by one out - they were only 6 weeks
 old, one calico,
  one 

RE: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread Susan Hoffman
Senior and special needs cats are adoptable. It takes longer and you work harder at it but I firmly believe that, somewhere, there's a forever home for every foster cat in my care -- and that forever home is not necessarily me. You just have to really work on finding adoptive homes.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I am pretty well connected with the people in the rescue group – I know them and they all know about me pretty much.. all the people I know of, they are in some what similar situations as I am –they usually find a problem for ME to solve because they know that I will not say NO…and they are right.. I never say NO to any cats who need a help and that’s why I have what I have ---some are Felk, or FIV, or injured, sick.. I nurture them back to health whenever I can.. and no one wants the cats I have.. but instead they call me if I could take care of the ones they find..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:17 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbrokenWhere are you located? Perhaps there are other rescue people in your area. Your really must join the freral cat group I referenced in my earlier post. It's a nationwide group with close to 2000 members now.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, please understand – I do spay and neuter whenever the opportunity there is – I don’t even want to tell you how many cats I have with me because it’s going to freak everyone out – but I am saying that I simply don’t have a space right
 now to even temporarily keep them.. I am used up all the crates that I have because I have trapped some more…I might have to catch ten or twenty before I can get the mama, but the meantime, I don’t have a place to recover all of them… that’s my dilemma, otherwise I would have gotten all of them right away.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:04 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: heartbrokenSeveral years ago when I trapped Cutie-Pie's babies one by one and brought them inside, she cried and ran around the house looking for them at first. But when she saw them in my foyer through the screen door she was
 fine. She knew I had them. (They screamed like crazy for her but she was fine with it.) Cutie-Pie was later trapped and spayed and then returned to my backyard. She is an untouchable feral girl. Now she is a plump plush little feral queen who presides over a colony of herself and 4 neutered feral boys. They live in my backyard and basement, are spoiled rotten (canned and dry food, catnip), and are very happy and safe there. In all these years Cutie has never allowed me the pet her, even once, but she will sit near me when I am outside and blink her eyes at me (throwing kisses).janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also trapped moms using kittens
 for bait. It'sheartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after thespay and she looks so much better and relaxed. Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - thekittens will get bigger, she will have a harder timecaring for them. They will start wandering andsomething could happen to them. She will get pregnantagain and not want that litter anymore. When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and momsees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she isrelieved and it's probably the first break she's hadin a long time. I've had mothers who are sick but youwouldn't even know it until they understand they nolonger have pretend to be fine just because they havekittens. I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can butI always tell her it's OK, her babies are fine.Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will makea big difference in her quality of life.--- Nina
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I've done this with kittens and their Momma. I too was upset about  having to put the kittens through the experience, but it worked like a  charm and the kitten did fine. I didn't use all the kittens, just the  strongest guy. If you continue to trap, you'd be doing the ferals a  great service by having them s/n and then returning them to the site. I  know you have problems with the "return" part of TNR, but please think  about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down the line. Love to you sweetheart, Nina  Joan Doljan wrote:   A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed   carrier directly infront of an opened, baited trap.   */Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
   Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things -  I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the  crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be  ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of  the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl  space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under  the hole 

RE: What can I do?

2006-05-11 Thread Ntigat
Next saturday I will retest another two cats, and on monday another two, and so on.Wendy I will apreciate all the documentation that you can provide me.I have also Alpha interferon.Thanks to all for the help. Today I don't feel very well. I think I'm a little depressive for that situation.Thaks a lot to everybody for the help.
		LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo.Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto.http://es.voice.yahoo.com

Re: Prayers for Allie

2006-05-11 Thread Lernermichelle




Please try Immuno-Regulin (see articles on www.felineleukemia.org). Smokey 
on this list went through the same thing and completely stopped getting fevers 
once he started getting Immuno-regulin shots. I believe he gets them sub-q at 
home now.
Michelle

In a message dated 5/11/2006 6:28:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Allie 
  was back at the vet today with 105 fever- came down to 102.5 with Metacam 
  (kitty NSAID) and sq fluids. I did get the vet to show me how to give 
  the sq fluids, so I can administer them now if she stops eating and drinking 
  and looks dehydrated, or if her temp goes up (I've been monitoring her temp 
  daily). They were also thinking of giving me some Metacamto 
  administer at home, but decided to hold off on that. This is her 3rd 
  temp spike in 2 weeks. The vet was prepping me for the fact that at some 
  point Allie's body is not going to be able to tolerate these temps anymore and 
  is not going to fight them off even with treatments because the fevers are 
  causing such a stress on her system. Of course we don't know if that 
  will be a week or a month, but it looks like it may be sooner than I 
  thought. It's so hard because 2 days ago she was totally back to 
  herself- eating great, playing, and she even sleep with us! I guess the 
  calm before the storm... Keep her in your thoughts. I don't want 
  her to suffer, but I'm not ready to say good-bye yet either! I'm still 
  hoping she can beat these fevers, but that's not looking realistic anymore and 
  I don't want to torture her...




Re: OT: heartbroken (feral cat assistance)

2006-05-11 Thread felv



Hideyo, where do you live? I can try to find another feral caretaker in 
your area, and see if they can help with holding space and cages. I'm part of a 
very large feral cat network. Email me DIRECTLY at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with all of your info, 
including your email address, city, state, and if you don't mind, a phone 
number. That way I can just copy your text and re-post it to a few resources I 
have, and see if anyone can help you. 
Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE 
TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when 
someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat 
Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good 
home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: 
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Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread felv
I would not drug a cat before flying, especially not without a FULL medical 
workup
(including a heart ultrasound). Cats are just as affected by pressure and 
altitude
changes as humans are, and any drug given will have a much stronger effect in 
the
air. This sometimes can lead to medical issues. It's just not worth it, if she 
meows
the whole trip, so what? Cats are allowed, other passengers can't say too much, 
I
wouldn't think. It's only 3 hours max, I think she would be better off 
undrugged.

BTW, ACE is a horse tranquilizer, or at least it's the most commonly use tranq 
in
horses, for those of you who have never heard of it. Has been known in male 
horses to
cause a relaxation of the penis from the sheath, that does not reverse, causing
permanent penile paralysis. Doesn't sound so bad if you're not breeding the 
horse if
you don't know how horse's penis's work, but a horse penis left out of it's 
sheath
quickly dries out, and more or less, dehydrates to the point of turning rancid
(horses usually keep their penis pulled up into a protective sheath, it's 
similar to
a dog, but bigger and looser). The only way to save a horse's life that has had 
this
side effect caused by ACE is to amputate the penis... YES you heard that right, 
this
drug, that the vet gave you for your cat, is known to sometimes cause a horse 
to need
it's penis amputated, or the horse dies.

Not something I would EVER give any of my animals, IMO.

If you choose to sedate the cat at all, I recommend NO more than 1/2 a tablet of
Benadryl, but 1/4 would be even better, as the altitude and pressure will make 
the
drug have a stronger effect than it would on the ground.


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http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:
Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire 
around
his neck to strangle him,
Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find 
him a
good home!
http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html
DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera 
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Re: Interesting Reading

2006-05-11 Thread felv
Many of my links are dead too... Maybe that website's owner works two jobs and 
runs a
cat rescue too...

It's one of the many things on The List, that is the never-ending list of 
things to
do...

Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:
Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire 
around
his neck to strangle him,
Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find 
him a
good home!
http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html
DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera 
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Re: Can we please add this poor baby to the CLS? Better news

2006-05-11 Thread felv
Oh yeah! Wonderful news! I will have to cross-post that to many lists now...

Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:
Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire 
around
his neck to strangle him,
Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find 
him a
good home!
http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html
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Re: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread felv



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeralFriendsOnline/is 
another good one.

This is the main feral group I am on, it's the email list for Ally Cat 
Allies, really good list, lots of help, members all over the country. I'm also 
on a feral cat transport group, if anyone ever needs to relocate a colony or 
such.
Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE 
TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when 
someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat 
Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good 
home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: 
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RE: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread catatonya
I understand how you feel. Have dealt with that problem with my feral dog pack. You HAVE to get them from the mother (and it's hard when they are chow and german shephard mixes!) or they don't have a chance of being socialized. I hope you can trap her.Where do you live, Hideyo? I am seriously considering taking in a positive kitten this summer.  tHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things –  I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated..
 the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out… but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out – they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we
 should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldn’t – there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mama’s previous litter – she is less than a year old..Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I don’t mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I don’t know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama –I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mama…I know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama…  

RE: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread catatonya
True, but how do you get the kittens to stay in the back of the trap and not spring it on themselves.."Doljan, Joan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the
 kittens.  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:39 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken I thought about that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan DoljanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things –I rescued three baby cats yesterday
 who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out… but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out – they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to
 look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldn’t – there are several kitties there.. I
 trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mama’s previous litter – she is less than a year old..Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I don’t mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I don’t know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama –I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mama…I know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama…   
   

RE: What can I do?

2006-05-11 Thread catatonya
Same story here. Cats had been living together for at least 4 months before I found one was positive. I had 12 I think at the time. None of my negatives ever turned positive. Adopted a new positive and same story. Some of my cats have lived nearly their entire lives (the older ones) with a positive, and they are all negative.tChris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I can understand what you’re feeling. My Tucson tested neg when I got her as a kitten and years later tested pos. She’d been an indoor cat all her life and not been exposed. Two
 vets told me that the Elissa can produce a false neg in kittens as timing is the key with kittens. Anyway, I had 3 other non-vaccinated cats that Tucson lived with all that time—two of them had come in after her as kittens. They all tested neg and I got them vaccinated. There was no way I could or would separate the ‘family’ and its been OK…..  Chris  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NtigatSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:37 AMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: What can I do?  After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home that was in the first test FELV -, Iretested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat the test because Inotice that in the clinic that I made the first test, some of theresults was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that never produces FELV +My question is: what can I do with the rest of the cats of my home?Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV– can I vaccinate him? Whatabout the FELV +? I can't separate them because I have not space to do that.Thanks in advance,Virginia   
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Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread Tad Burnett

And the short car ride could be to a Kentucky Fried Chicken which
would be placed near the carrier on the way home and shared at home
thus the carrier / car ride become something to look forward to next time..
Tad

Nina wrote:

Good suggestion Tad!  Depending on how much time you have you can also 
start feeding in the carrier to get her used to feeling safe in there. 
Nina


Tad Burnett wrote:

Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out 
to get used to it...
Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't 
think she would

know the difference of going off the ground...
Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted 
if  you are

with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case...
Tad












RE: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread catatonya
yes! maybe put one or two kittens only inside a little box at the back of the trap. she'll go in for them.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I guess if I were going to try, I should try it asap before the mama forgets
 about her babies..huh?From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doljan, JoanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:41 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken   Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly because she hears and smells the kittens.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:39 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken   I thought about that, actually, but I was also afraid of leaving kittens as they are traumatized..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan DoljanSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT: heartbroken A good way to catch the mother is to put the kittens in a closed carrier directly infront of an opened,baitedtrap.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of new things –I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were living under the crawl space of the abandoned house, which is now bought and be ready to be renovated.. the new owner was planning to get rid of the kittens along with all the kitties who live under the crawl
 space and I offered to take them. The babies were actually under the hole under the crawl space which only the size of my entire hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue friend) were never going to be able to get them out… but finally using a little fish net to get one by one out – they were only 6 weeks old, one calico, one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are all so cute.The one sad thing is that their mama came to look for the babies while we were under the crawl space, she was so worried about us doing something to the babies.. one time, I thought we should just leave and have the mama take care of the babies and I worry that
 later on, she might take babies some other crawl space near there (there a few, unfortunately), and people might close the crawl space without knowing that they were there.. the mama came back several times (while we were there as we were there for about 5 hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I decided to take the babies from her..I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but I couldn’t – there are several kitties there.. I trapped one who looked like mama.. but she must be from mama’s previous litter – she is less than a year old..Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I will be able to catch mama soon (I probably could, if I don’t mind catching all other kitties who live there.. but I don’t know where I could put them now as I am running out of crate) --- and the mama will stay safe and she will not be worrying too much about their babies. I am heartbroken for the mama –I feel very badly for taking the babies from their mama…I know that this is probably the right thing.. but I still cannot not think about the mama…  

Re: FeLV+ Kitten needs home in Dallas area

2006-05-11 Thread catatonya
How long has Ballerina been with the other cats? If any time at all and she has retested all of them I think it 99.9 percent sure that 2 vaccinated 8 year old cats are NOT going to catch leukemia.. :(wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi guys,My vet called me yesterday and wanted to know if Iknew anyone who wants an FeLV+ kitten (tested twicenow). The kitten's name is Ballerina. She is 8months old, not spayed, but the owner said they werewilling to do that first or contribute money towardsthe spay if it meant adopting her out. She isshort-haired, white, with orange and gray splotches. She belongs to a little girl, who named her, and themom said Ballerina is very sweet. They have two othercats that are 8 years old and negative (tested twicenow six weeks apart) and they don't want to
 risk themcontracting FeLV. She said she'd rather the kittenhave a good home than go to a shelter. She also saidshe'd be happy to send photos via email. The lady Ispoke with was very nice, and I'm sure this kitten hasbeen taken very good care of. Ballerina is currentlyasymptomatic. Let me know if you or someone you knowmay be interested in giving this kitten a loving home.:)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 

Re: Prayers for Allie

2006-05-11 Thread catatonya
Prayers on the way for Allie. tJennifer Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Allie was back at the vet today with 105 fever- came down to 102.5 with Metacam (kitty NSAID) and sq fluids. I did get the vet to show me how to give the sq fluids, so I can administer them now if she stops eating and drinking and looks dehydrated, or if her temp goes up (I've been monitoring her temp daily). They were also thinking of giving me some Metacamto administer at home, but decided to hold off on that. This is her 3rd temp spike in 2 weeks. The vet was prepping me for the fact that at some point Allie's body is not going to be able to tolerate these temps anymore and is not going to fight them off even with treatments because the fevers are causing such a stress on her system. Of
 course we don't know if that will be a week or a month, but it looks like it may be sooner than I thought. It's so hard because 2 days ago she was totally back to herself- eating great, playing, and she even sleep with us! I guess the calm before the storm... Keep her in your thoughts. I don't want her to suffer, but I'm not ready to say good-bye yet either! I'm still hoping she can beat these fevers, but that's not looking realistic anymore and I don't want to torture her...  Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

Re: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread Nina




Hi Tonya,
You put the kitten in a carrier and back the trap up to the door of the
carrier, cover both of them to make a tunnel. The mom hears and smells
the kitten and goes in the "tunnel" to investigate tripping the trap.
N

catatonya wrote:
True, but how do you get the kittens to stay in the back
of the trap and not spring it on themselves..
  
  "Doljan, Joan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  





Usually the mother goes in the trap very quickly
because she hears and smells the kittens.
  





Re: What can I do?

2006-05-11 Thread Nina




Virgina,
Me too. I had cats living together, grooming each other, sharing
food/litter, playing etc., with my +s before I knew of their status. I
had my other cats tested and they were all neg. I didn't separate them
because it would have been too disruptive to our family life and none
of my neg cats ever became pos. If your neg cats haven't been
vaccinated, I would do so. Try not to worry about your negs too much.
If they are adults and healthy, they're probably okay. I understand
your being depressed. I don't think there's a person on the list that
wasn't shocked and terribly upset when they first learned one of their
cats was felv pos. You'll get plenty of support and lots of good
advice here, take heart, many, many +s live happy, healthy lives, they
just don't usually have the same life span as negs. This disease is so
unpredictable that you and your little foster may have a very long time
together. She's asymptomatic now right? What's her name? Are you
planning on keeping her now?
Nina

catatonya wrote:

  Same story here. Cats had been living together for at least 4
months before I found one was positive. I had 12 I think at the
time. None of my negatives ever turned positive. Adopted a new
positive and same story. Some of my cats have lived nearly their
entire lives (the older ones) with a positive, and they are all
negative.
  
  t
  
  Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  



I can
understand what youre feeling. My Tucson tested neg
when I got her as a kitten and years later tested pos. Shed been an
indoor cat all her life and not been exposed. Two vets told me that
the Elissa can produce a false neg in kittens as timing is the key with
kittens. Anyway, I had 3 other non-vaccinated cats that Tucson lived with
all that timetwo of them had come in after her as kittens. They all
tested neg and I got them vaccinated. There was no way I could or
would separate the family and its been OK..


Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Message-
From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ntigat
Sent: Thursday, May
11, 2006 3:37 AM
To:
Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: What can I
do?


After a
year, a female cat that I foster on my home that was in the first test
FELV -, I
retested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat the test because I
notice that in the clinic that I made the first test, some of the
results was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that never produces FELV +

My question is: what can I do with the rest of the cats of my home?
Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV can I vaccinate him? What
about the FELV +? I can't separate them because I have not space to do
that.

Thanks in advance,

Virginia


 

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Re: Prayers for Allie

2006-05-11 Thread Kerry MacKenzie



Sending positive healing vibes for your sweet Allie, Jennifer. 
And wonderful that you know now how to give her subQs---well done. That will 
help so much to keep her comfortable. You are both in my thoughts, hugs, 
Kerry


- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Jennifer 
  Ross 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:28 
PM
  Subject: Prayers for Allie
  Allie was back at the vet today with 105 fever- came down to 
  102.5 with Metacam (kitty NSAID) and sq fluids. I did get the vet to 
  show me how to give the sq fluids, so I can administer them now if she stops 
  eating and drinking and looks dehydrated, or if her temp goes up (I've been 
  monitoring her temp daily). They were also thinking of giving me some 
  Metacamto administer at home, but decided to hold off on that. 
  This is her 3rd temp spike in 2 weeks. The vet was prepping me for the 
  fact that at some point Allie's body is not going to be able to tolerate these 
  temps anymore and is not going to fight them off even with treatments because 
  the fevers are causing such a stress on her system. Of course we don't 
  know if that will be a week or a month, but it looks like it may be sooner 
  than I thought. It's so hard because 2 days ago she was totally back to 
  herself- eating great, playing, and she even sleep with us! I guess the 
  calm before the storm... Keep her in your thoughts. I don't want 
  her to suffer, but I'm not ready to say good-bye yet either! I'm still 
  hoping she can beat these fevers, but that's not looking realistic anymore and 
  I don't want to torture her...
  
  
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PAWS and the FeLV room

2006-05-11 Thread Kerry MacKenzie
Dear Belinda, Rebecca, Marylyn, Wendy, MaryChristine, Janine, Terri, Gloria,
Becca, Karen and everyone --
I heard some great news last night when I (finally) met up with the PAWS
clinic director, Rochelle, to talk about my foster Pookie's mishandled
euthanization by Family Pet.
During the course of our conversation she began talking about the new PAWS
shelter opening in Chicago next year, and so I asked *her* if an FeLV area
was planned. (I had not said much to her about the phone call I had from her
boss, PAWS' owner, Paula Fasseas, apart from the fact that I felt that it
was a good conversation and didn't just seem like a token PR gesture.)

I fully expected her to say no, or, we don't know yet, we're still working
on it. But she said an unequivocal Yes! She also said that PAWS will be
committing to paying medical bills for all FeLV cats they adopt out so as to
encourage adoptions of FeLV cats.
I tell you, it was hard to stop myself from bursting into tears.
If this is true--and I won't really believe it till I see it--then this is
fantastic news and I can hardly believe it. As you know (and for benefit of
new listmembers) I had heard from 2 authoritative sources--one a PAWS
adoption counsellor and the other the director of the Tree House
shelter--that PAWS was not going to have an FeLV room. I intended to write
the owner to try and get her to change her mind. So when she called me,
about Pookie, and I got a rare chance to speak to her directly, she said (as
if it was a whole new idea) well, we do have 2 spare rooms, so one of these
could be an FeLV room...
And now it seems to be actually happening!
She will have all your testimonials by now...I hope they are used in the
education program. Either way, I believe they helped tip the decision in
the right direction.
Will keep you posted on any further developments when I get back to Chicago
mid-June.
Thanks to you all for your input! hugs, Kerry






Re: Prayers for Allie

2006-05-11 Thread Nina




Jennifer,
I'm sorry you and Allie are having such a hard time. I know there have
been several cats that seemed to benefit from IR, it may be worth a try
at this point. Someone remind me, did Kerry R use this for her kitty
with the spiking temps? When I first heard about IR, I had heard that
it had to be administered IV, then someone posted to the list about
using it subq, (forgive me, my mind seems to be mush tonight and I
can't remember the specifics). I'm praying for you and Allie's quick
recovery. Let us know what's going on,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Please try Immuno-Regulin (see articles on www.felineleukemia.org).
Smokey on this list went through the same thing and completely stopped
getting fevers once he started getting Immuno-regulin shots. I believe
he gets them sub-q at home now.
  Michelle
  
  In a message dated 5/11/2006 6:28:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Allie was back at the vet today with 105 fever- came down to
102.5 with Metacam (kitty NSAID) and sq fluids. I did get the vet to
show me how to give the sq fluids, so I can administer them now if she
stops eating and drinking and looks dehydrated, or if her temp goes up
(I've been monitoring her temp daily). They were also thinking of
giving me some Metacamto administer at home, but decided to hold off
on that. This is her 3rd temp spike in 2 weeks. The vet was prepping
me for the fact that at some point Allie's body is not going to be able
to tolerate these temps anymore and is not going to fight them off even
with treatments because the fevers are causing such a stress on her
system. Of course we don't know if that will be a week or a month, but
it looks like it may be sooner than I thought. It's so hard because 2
days ago she was totally back to herself- eating great, playing, and
she even sleep with us! I guess the calm before the storm... Keep her
in your thoughts. I don't want her to suffer, but I'm not ready to say
good-bye yet either! I'm still hoping she can beat these fevers, but
that's not looking realistic anymore and I don't want to torture her...
  
  
  




Re: Please add Papoose to CLS

2006-05-11 Thread Nina
Aww Jeni, I'm sorry about little Papoose.  I know your heart is 
breaking, but it's so wonderful that you made the short time he had on 
earth full of love and caring.  You might not have been able to give him 
more time, but you gave him something even more important, you gave him 
a place to belong; you gave him a loving and secure home.  I'm sure your 
whole household is missing his sweet presence.  Blessings to you in your 
grief,

Nina

JENI RECA wrote:

I put Papoose feluk + to sleep today after he was running a 106.4 temp 
for the past 4 days and it wasnt going down he also was anemic and had 
a heart mummer and wasnt getting better.  He lived a wonderful life of 
8 months in our house with our dogs and our other feluk + cat.  I miss 
him dearly and am happy he did not suffer. He was found on the streets 
of queens as a tiny little 5 week old kitten and brought to the 
shelter I work at.  He came up postive on both test and I decided to 
adopt him instead of them putting him down.  I am just sad that we did 
not have more time with him.  Thank you.







Katarina

2006-05-11 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Hi all just need a few prayers for beautiful Katarina again,she is feeling abit under the weather and doc Jen is taking her to the clinic tomorrow.I did get to give her some extra loving tonight,you just never know if it will be the last time you get to see them.she purred up a storm for me.She is a beautiful but odd looking dilute calico from New Orleans,all the New Orleans cats we have here look a bit different. :) THanks for all the prayers that all of you give to me and these wonderful fur babies.  Sherry
	
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Re: PAWS and the FeLV room

2006-05-11 Thread Marylyn

If this saves even one it will have been worth the effort.  Thank you.






If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:25 PM
Subject: PAWS and the FeLV room


Dear Belinda, Rebecca, Marylyn, Wendy, MaryChristine, Janine, Terri, 
Gloria,

Becca, Karen and everyone --
I heard some great news last night when I (finally) met up with the PAWS
clinic director, Rochelle, to talk about my foster Pookie's mishandled
euthanization by Family Pet.
During the course of our conversation she began talking about the new PAWS
shelter opening in Chicago next year, and so I asked *her* if an FeLV area
was planned. (I had not said much to her about the phone call I had from 
her

boss, PAWS' owner, Paula Fasseas, apart from the fact that I felt that it
was a good conversation and didn't just seem like a token PR gesture.)

I fully expected her to say no, or, we don't know yet, we're still working
on it. But she said an unequivocal Yes! She also said that PAWS will be
committing to paying medical bills for all FeLV cats they adopt out so as 
to

encourage adoptions of FeLV cats.
I tell you, it was hard to stop myself from bursting into tears.
If this is true--and I won't really believe it till I see it--then this is
fantastic news and I can hardly believe it. As you know (and for benefit 
of

new listmembers) I had heard from 2 authoritative sources--one a PAWS
adoption counsellor and the other the director of the Tree House
shelter--that PAWS was not going to have an FeLV room. I intended to write
the owner to try and get her to change her mind. So when she called me,
about Pookie, and I got a rare chance to speak to her directly, she said 
(as
if it was a whole new idea) well, we do have 2 spare rooms, so one of 
these

could be an FeLV room...
And now it seems to be actually happening!
She will have all your testimonials by now...I hope they are used in the
education program. Either way, I believe they helped tip the decision in
the right direction.
Will keep you posted on any further developments when I get back to 
Chicago

mid-June.
Thanks to you all for your input! hugs, Kerry












Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread gblane
Very helpful, thanks - I'd heard that it can make them 
disassociative when they're coming out of it - not knowing where 
they are, etc.


Gloria

At 03:26 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote:
Acepromazine for a cat?  This was first choice 
sedative?  WOW!  Tough stuff for kitty IMO, especially since he's 
riding in cabin with you.


We only use this in cats to induce anesthesia sometimes. It dilates 
their pupils a lot and stays in their system for a day or two 
depending on how fast your their metabolism is. We also use it for 
animals that go home after exstensive surgery and they need to stay 
still (like bone breaks, etc...). Their appetite will decrease to 
almost nothing and sometimes they won't want to eat at all. 
Personally, I wouldn't use it, not for a 2 1/2 hour flight.


~ Rachel


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know each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, 
and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one 
destroys. --Chief Dan George

- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:20 PM
Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle
Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his
owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never taken a
kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.

The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the
sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be Benadryl,
along with Rescue Remedy.

Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think the
dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.

Thanks much!

Gloria





RE: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread gblane
Re your last comment, right!  I was thinking I might need the Ace 
more than Gizmo...!


Gloria


At 03:38 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote:

I've taken Tucson a couple of times across the country.  I never gave her
ACE---I was prepared for all possibilities---had a backpack that weighed a
ton with food, water, wipes, leash, collars, health cert, toys, towels, and
on and on.  She slept the whole way.  I had to change planes and opened the
flaps on the carrier (Sherpa softsided) so she could see out--she sort of
looked at me like I was insane!

The only problem I had was that they make you take the cat out of the
carrier when you go thru metal detector.  I had put a harness on her before
we left home and when I had to take her out, I clipped the leash which I
wrapped around my arm.  Then I picked her out of the top of the carrier by
putting a big towel around her and lifting her so tthat it covered her and
she couldn't see all those people looking at her.  Security said something
about having to see the cat so I let them peek as I held her.  Then I just
put her back in the carrier at the end of the xray machine thing-before I
put on my shoes, grabbed my backpack and just got myself together.

I wouldn't use ACE for a flight--they say that the change in cabin pressure
and the ACE are not a good match.  I think that most cats don't like all
those strange people around them and just go off to sleep.  I used a medium
sized soft-sided carrier--fits better under the seat.  At one point, it was
sticking out a bit because airlines had put something or other under the
seat in front of me--steward pointed that out and I asked where they would
like me to put her!  Nobody every bothered me again...

Tucson did a whole lot better on the flight than I did--I suspect that's
about normal!

Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle
Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his
owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never taken a
kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.

The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the
sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be Benadryl,
along with Rescue Remedy.

Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think the
dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.

Thanks much!

Gloria





Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread gblane

Right, thanks to you all for the mention of the towel.  Hadn't thought of that.

Gloria



At 05:09 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote:
I agree with the suggestions to not use any sedative.  It has been 
my experience that the feeling of not being in control of themselves 
makes them stress out even more.  It sounds like this kitty is tame 
and would probably be better off with out the Ace.  Don't forget 
that big towel to wrap her in when you have to remove her from the 
carrier!  Put the harness and short leash on her when you leave the 
house, (don't forget id tags).  You guys will be fine, just keep 
your cool and she will too.

Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending
on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard
to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed.

I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to
seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a
loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay
without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic,
usually the reaction is greater to the drug..

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from 
LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to 
his owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never 
taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.


The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use 
the sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be 
Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy.


Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think 
the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.


Thanks much!

Gloria
















Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread gblane
Yup - been doing that.  Started some Rescue Remedy too.  Someone 
suggested a little Benadryl the morning of the flight...?


Gloria


At 05:25 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote:
Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out 
to get used to it...
Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I 
don't think she would

know the difference of going off the ground...
Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be 
comforted if  you are

with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case...
Tad

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending
on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard
to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed.

I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to
seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a
loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay
without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic,
usually the reaction is greater to the drug..

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Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from 
LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to 
his owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never 
taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.


The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use 
the sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be 
Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy.


Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think 
the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.


Thanks much!

Gloria

















Re: Prayers for Allie

2006-05-11 Thread TatorBunz


Allie is in my thoughts and prayers!!!

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Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread gblane
Thanks a million, folks  - everyone - this has been SO wonderfully 
helpful.  Don't know what I'd do without you.


Gloria

At 07:30 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote:

And the short car ride could be to a Kentucky Fried Chicken which
would be placed near the carrier on the way home and shared at home
thus the carrier / car ride become something to look forward to next time..
Tad

Nina wrote:

Good suggestion Tad!  Depending on how much time you have you can 
also start feeding in the carrier to get her used to feeling safe 
in there. Nina


Tad Burnett wrote:

Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and 
out to get used to it...
Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I 
don't think she would

know the difference of going off the ground...
Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be 
comforted if  you are

with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case...
Tad














Re: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread TatorBunz




Yep that's me,
I'm a sucker for senior Meezers!
So they come to my home and live their time out sunbathing/eating whenever.
I also get calls that people are trying to place their senior meezersfor many reasons that most you know.
Idiots!

In a message dated 5/11/2006 4:36:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Senior and special needs cats are adoptable. It takes longer and you work harder at it but I firmly believe that, somewhere, there's a forever home for every foster cat in my care -- and that forever home is not necessarily me. You just have to really work on finding adoptive homes.


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Re: PAWS and the FeLV room

2006-05-11 Thread TatorBunz




YAY!!!
That is awesome news...do keep us up to date on this!

In a message dated 5/11/2006 7:31:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dear Belinda, Rebecca, Marylyn, Wendy, MaryChristine, Janine, Terri, Gloria,Becca, Karen and everyone --I heard some great news last night when I (finally) met up with the PAWSclinic director, Rochelle, to talk about my foster Pookie's mishandledeuthanization by Family Pet.During the course of our conversation she began talking about the new PAWSshelter opening in Chicago next year, and so I asked *her* if an FeLV areawas planned. (I had not said much to her about the phone call I had from herboss, PAWS' owner, Paula Fasseas, apart from the fact that I felt that itwas a good conversation and didn't just seem like a token PR gesture.)I fully expected her to say no, or, we don't know yet, we're still workingon it. But she said an unequivocal "Yes"! She also said that PAWS will becommitting to paying medical bills for all FeLV cats they adopt out so as toencourage adoptions of FeLV cats.I tell you, it was hard to stop myself from bursting into tears.If this is true--and I won't really believe it till I see it--then this isfantastic news and I can hardly believe it. As you know (and for benefit ofnew listmembers) I had heard from 2 authoritative sources--one a PAWSadoption counsellor and the other the director of the Tree Houseshelter--that PAWS was not going to have an FeLV room. I intended to writethe owner to try and get her to change her mind. So when she called me,about Pookie, and I got a rare chance to speak to her directly, she said (asif it was a whole new idea) well, we do have 2 spare rooms, so one of thesecould be an FeLV room...And now it seems to be actually happening!She will have all your testimonials by now...I hope they are used in the"education" program. Either way, I believe they helped tip the decision inthe right direction.Will keep you posted on any further developments when I get back to Chicagomid-June.Thanks to you all for your input! hugs, Kerry


 Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue