Believe it or not there are books on the subject at
www.amazon.com
If you have men who will exclude any of God's
creatures
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with their fellow
man.
St. Francis
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Oh, I didn't know! I will check into it.Thank you :) GinaMarylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Believe it or not there are books on the subject at www.amazon.comIf you have men who will exclude any of God's
creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have
Hi Belinda, I don't have Inky's last blood work papers here, but I am going to get them tomorrow..I can give you the initial tests results done on Aug. 18. I am only going to list the ones that are not in the normal range.. ALB +4.5 (2.2-4.4 G/DL) AMY +2650 (330-1100 U/L) BUN +79 (10-30
I agree with Wendy. I think the second paragraph is very harsh. I don't think it's so much the content or even the specifics that make it harsh, I think it's more the approach...and the graphicness. Your approach almost makes it sound like they are wanting something like that to happen to the cat
Hi Karen. I'm so sorry you lost your baby so quickly! And what a cutie she was! I know she was young, but I'm glad that in her all-too-short life, she was able to know such tremendous love and care as you were able to give her. Know that you did everything you could and that she felt your love.
Belinda,
I think the re-wording Marissa suggested is good - with only a minor
adjustment. I would add if they haven't already died during the
experimentation. to make it read...
Unfortunately, there are many people in the world who would take advantage
of a free pet and use it for all kinds of
I like that...it gives it a little more punch! Thanks Kat! :)MKat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Belinda,I think the re-wording Marissa suggested is good - with only a minoradjustment. I would add "if they haven't already died during theexperimentation." to make it read...Unfortunately, there are
Hi Kerry,
I think high phosphorous can make them feel nauseated so that may
be why his appetite goes off, has the vet suggested phos binders? Part
of one of the list messages below:
Powdered Alum. Hydroxide Gel now for over 3
years and have not had any problems. It is a finely ground powder
PS. I forgot to say, high AMY and glucose can be indicator of pancreas
problems.
--
Belinda
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Hey Belinda,
I should have taken a little more time yesterday,
other than saying to take the second paragraph out, to
tell you that the rest of your letter was really good.
I think the way that it jumps right into the worst
case situations, and then describes them in detail
really put me off. I
Hey Nina,
How is Spencer doing today?
:)
Wendy
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Wow! I am surprised you don't have any unions! I
went on the AFT website, and sure enough, Georgia does
not have an affiliation. 43 states do however.
Sounds like you guys need a bit of a change in
Georgia!!! We have several different ones here in
Texas, and we are almost as far south as you
Belinda, I went back and readyour original message and I dothinkwhatMarissa and Katsaid makes sense. The re-wording gets the information across in a less graphic way, but is still effective. Sometimes reallyintense information is too much for people to handle all at once and they shut down to
Here is the revised version, thank you for your help!!
Belinda here, I admin the ads, and there are no Free To Good Home
ads allowed, none is the same as FREE. This is very dangerous for the
cat, there are all kinds of lunatics out there.
Some people obtain free cats to train pit bulls to
Hi MC,
I think the one your talking about is the one Jim's friend Michelle
Crean wrote, it is this one:
http://www.parrett.net/animalaid/free.html
I have a link to it on the page itself, the problem is those people
don't bother to go to it or the instructions, or they read the
instructions
this is the one i was actually thinking of: http://cats.about.com/cs/kittencare/a/freekittuns.htm
On 8/31/06, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi MC, I think the one your talking about is the one Jim's friend Michelle Crean wrote, it is this one:
http://www.parrett.net/animalaid/free.html
I
It's getting closer to the time for Pippin to have her second FeLV test. I want to make sure I understand which test to ask for. Is the IFA test the same as the Western Blot?If not, which test should I ask for? Secondly, is there a specific lab that I should ask for the test to be sent to in
Hey Belinda,
Your revised letter sounds good. I think you are
fantastic doing all that you do to help these animals.
:)
Wendy
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Changed this paragraph a bit:
Some people obtain free cats to train pit bulls to fight, and they are
killed in a very violent and gruesome manner by these vicious animals.
Then there are people who feed them to snakes as meals (some large
exotic snakes require live food). There are crazy
I couldn't agree more! I love the new paragraph...I think it conveys what you want to without being quite so harsh. We're all lucky to have you advocating for our animals!!Mwendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Belinda,Your revised letter sounds good. I think you arefantastic doing all that you
Awesome!!! Makes coming home all the more sweet! I'm
so happy for both of you!
:)
Wendy
--- Marissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Thanks, Wendy! I got home last night, and he did in
fact do fantastic!!
He ate just fine, he played with my coworker a
lot, and he didn't get sick
Belinda,I hope you did not think I was trying to ask you to be politically correct. I wasn't. My main focus was from a psychological viewpoint of how messages are perceived by people. I so appreciate what you are doing to get the message out there. I heard you loud and clear reading the
OK, MC have added it to the page itself:
http://adopt.bemikitties.com
--
Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...
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Marissa,
Does Slinky kitty go outside at all? If not, he might
not need flea treatments once he's flea free.
:)
Wendy
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I really am disappointed with the frontline plus
topspot. The Frontline SPRAY is much better, IMO
(though if they groom themselves, they foam
I just wanted to let all of you know how much I greatly appreciate all your messages of support for Angel and I. I'm having a better day today, but not much. I am so glad I decided early on to let her have the run of the house instead of being isolated to a room. Usually, when I would be at my
Western Blot is for FIV, and you want to
use IFA test for Felk to determine whether the virus is present at bone marrow
level.
I mentioned that I did not like antech as
their lab results have not been reliable more than a few times. And I prefer
IDEXX personally.. but they may send out to
Title: Message
Please
know you're in my thoughts, Karen. Even though we didn't know Angel physically,
I know we all mourn her loss with you.
That's
one of the comforting things about this wonderful group. We all share each
other's sorrow when we lose a beloved kitty. Know we're always here
Hi! Thanks. No, Slinky doesn't go outdoors (unless you count going out in the carrier to the car! lol). He's strictly indoors. I guess I just wondered because I've had to treat him twice - once with Revolution and once with Advantage. Didn't know if the fleas would just keep coming back or what. I
Ask her to visit you one night after you have gone
to sleep. She will. Understand that the visit is real, not a
dream, and enjoy it. You will find a very healthy, happy Angel who wants
you to know she is safe and sound.
If you have men who will exclude any of God's
creatures
from
Hideyo and All,I just called my vet and the receptionist did not know what an IFA test was.I also have to postpone Pippin's rabies vaccine until I get back from vacation in two weeks. I assured her that my cats all my cats are strictly indoor cats. Her response was, "Well there's always the
Yes, I understand. My girl Pippin sits by me as I sit at my computer. It makes me tear up to think how much you are missing her.Gina kandbz_ mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I just wanted to let all of you know how much I greatly appreciate all your messages of support for Angel and I. I'm
Yes, my Buddy visited with me afterward. It was very reassuring and helped me tremendously.Gina Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ask her to visit you one night after you have gone to sleep. She will. Understand that the visit is real, not a dream, and enjoy it. You will find a very
Gina,
Maybe if you had said ImmunoFlourescent Assay sp? she could have asked
one of the vet techs?
I wouldn't switch vets just yet - you need to find out if the vet thinks
the way the receptionist does (or not). If it's just her, and you like
your vet, stay. You can always devise ways of
I just called my vet and the receptionist did not know what an IFA test was. I also have
to postpone Pippin's rabies vaccine until I get back from vacation in two weeks. I
assured her that my cats all my cats are strictly indoor cats. Her response was,
Well there's always the chance that
No Gina, I think it was my frustration with the political arena slipping
out. I agree with most everything everyone pointed out, I don't want to
scare anyone away, people need to know the facts. I know many people
don't have a clue as to how awful animals get treated sometimes. I've
been
Not all bats carry rabies, so don't get too paranoid.
The following is found @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat
There are estimated to be about 1,100 species of bats worldwide,
accounting for about 20% of all mammal species.
Only 0.5% of bats carry rabies. However, of the very few cases of
Karen,
I'm so sorry about Angel. What a lucky little kitty to have you by her side!
Maggie
it really depends, tho--bats DO get into houses, and let me tell you--if you find one, and it tests positive for rabies, even if you are SURE it wasn't anywhere near your cats, they will want to confiscate them.. i had a very uncomfortable 10-day wait, as i sat around trying to figure out how
Such good news about Trixie and Ms. Bossyboots :). Sometimes we do
have the power to make things better! That's the sort of thing I've
been trying to get through to Matilda, Momma's got some clout around
here and I have your back!
I was just getting ready to post an update to the list about
Always remember, annual vaccinations are very convenient and easy way to
make money for most of the vets (a quote by vets).. so though it maybe
required by state law normally, you really have to figure the benefits
and risks of giving it to your cats.. I do not give rabies to my felk
and FIV cats
there's no question that there's a problem with overvaccination, and the issue of using annual vaccinations as a way to get cats into the vet at least once a year
i'd still check with your dept of ag to see if a doctor's excuse would be accepted if your state requires annual RABIES shots
My vet wrote me letters for my cats and
animal control accept the letter as exemption.
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Hideyo,
You have such a wonderful vet. When Zevon's rabies shots were due, I
called every vet I know to try and get him an exemption. He's 9 years
old, has degenerative spine disease, has gotten his shots on time for
years, never goes anywhere unattended... Still, I couldn't find a vet
well, it being August in the MidWest, it's definitely Little Brown Bat season, so it's not out of the realm of possibilities, but... I think it shows a lack of training for the receptionist - the entire staff atthe clinic I use is very knowledgable - they make a point of having everyone
Whenever you get the notice, could you not tell the animal control you
no longer has the pet? Whenever I get it, I ignore the notice or tell
them that I found them a home, and they don't really seem to follow up.
But, I do have to say that I love my vets.. she squeezes me in for
appointments
i expect it has a lot to do with what sort of animal-control personnel you have in your area, too--the ones we have in our county now are good, and care about animals and seem well-trained. in the past tho, like when that poor bat fell over mostly dead in my house before the cats even SAW it, they
Very nicely stated Belinda. Us two leggers can be a bit dense and
sometimes a strong word is necessary to get through - I think you found
a good balance. I too want to offer kudos for both your website and the
wonderful things you do - you're a responsible caretaker for the
companions we've
Thank you everyone for the information! I went on an Internet search and found a site on different state laws regarding rabies vaccine. For my home state of California, rabies vaccination of cats is "advised" but not required. Dogs are required to be vaccinated every three years starting at 4
Nina and Everyone who has a sick kitty(s) at home,You are going through a lot right now! I don't have much experience (yet) with FeLV and what you are facing on a day to day basis, but my thoughts and caring are with you and your families. My boy Buddy was FIV+ and passed away three years ago from
You said that your cat Buddy was 18 when he passed and fiv+. How many of those years if you know was he fiv+? I was just wondering because I have adopted 3 fiv+ boys and they are still quite young. Just curious. Sherry
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Hi Sherry,I knew for 12 years that he was FIV+. I met Buddy in 1988 and he was a street cat. I officially adopted him as an indoor kitty in 1991. The vet thought he was around 4-6 years old at that time. I had him tested at that time (in 1991) and retested when I adopted Tigger and Taylor in 1992.
Sherry, Buddy crossed the Brige in 2002, not 2003. It will be 4 years in November. I can't believe how fast the time has passed; it just seems like yesterday. Pardon my error.GinaSherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You said that your cat Buddy was 18 when he passed and fiv+. How many of those
Hi Everyone! Smokey went to the vet today to get bloodwork done to
revisit my concerns over his breathing. I'm not so concerned about the
rate of breathing, but the effort it sometimes takes him to inhale
exhale. It's almost like a forceful expansion. About 9 days ago his
Red Blood
there's a sanctuary FIV+ who's been there for 15 years tested positive when he came in as an adult
On 8/31/06, Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sherry, Buddy crossed the Brige in 2002, not 2003. It will be 4 years in November. I can't believe how fast the time has passed; it just seems
(climbing up onto big bargain size soapbox)
I think a harsh mental picture is what more people need to have. If more
people cringed, we might live in a world that was more apt to protect animals.
The fact that anyone on this list wasn't aware of any of those issues in itself
speaks for the
Fifteen years, that's wonderful! What symptoms has he faced with his FIV? Buddy had dental issues, but basically was healthy most of his life before the cancer.TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there's a sanctuary FIV+ who's been there for 15 years tested positive when he came in as an
he hasn't had any problems, really.. he's a spoiled housecat now, just starting to slow down a bit
On 8/31/06, Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fifteen years, that's wonderful! What symptoms has he faced with his FIV? Buddy had dental issues, but basically was healthy most of his life before
Find a new vet office, ASAP. The bat statement is laughable, the not
knowing what an IFA is is unacceptable in every way. On the bright side, they
seem so ignorant, maybe they just didn't DO the in house test correctly in the
first place, and your results are the results of bad testing
My barn owner had several HUNDRED bats in his attic. INSIDE his house.
It happens! We have several hundred in the barn loft, too!Yes, BUT,
delaying a rabies vaccine two weeks isn't really going to make much difference
if it's just a booster shot, and most rabies vaccines have effect long
Out of those several hundred bats, how many have bitten anyone or anything?
And out of those bites, how many of the victims have died of rabies?
Bats get a bad reputation for no good reason, this is simply a case of bat
hysteria.
Phaewryn
Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!
Karen, I am so sorry about angel. I pray the poor baby will be okay. You
are both in my prayers.
Lori
hey, two years ago the vet school at MSU said that they couldn't send out a sample for a western blot because no one did the western blot anymore.
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Did she say she would find out (from the doctor) and get back to you about the IFA? Or
That's why, if a bat or any other wild animal ever came into my house, I
would carefully remove it myself, and not call the authorities. Why on earth
INVITE someone to come into your home to cause you problems and to commit animal
cruelty (to the bat)?
Phaewryn
Please adopt a cat from
I'd do the ivermectin, it's got a low risk of side effects, and will cure
him if it is a lung worm. You can do a search and find the dosages for cats
online, just to be sure your vet isn't over-dosing him. Search ivermectin feline
dose, or ivermectin dosage cat. You should pull up a few spay
Rafferty is gorgeous! I love his markings. A little later I am going to look at all your pictures. I love to see everyone's cats.Buddy did fine with his cleanings and he had several tooth extractions over the years. He had to have some of his teeth removed because our vet thought he could be
I thought so too Phaewryn. I was shocked and then I laughed after I got off the phone. Yes, they did the blood (ELISA) test. But did they do it correctly? After she looked up what an IFA test was, she said that "their lab" processed them. They have an in-house lab for the IFA test?? I'm all
She was going to leave me at "I don't know" and I had to press her to ask the doctor. She said that the doctor "was in surgery" and then said nothing. I pressed again and she looked it up. :(Gina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did she say she would find out (from the doctor) and get back to you
I wish I had more definitive answers for you Dee. Only you can decide
what course to take. If he were mine, I wouldn't want to sedate him, if
it could possibly be avoided. It's wonderful that his rbc was up to 30
and the weight gain is a very good sign too. I just had a tiny, near
death
You might consider letting your vet (not the staff)
know why you are changing practices. If you can do so gently, it might get
them to do some self-examining and improve their methodsfor other
cats.
I'm totally blessed to have the vets I have.
Unfortunately, they are now 2 1/2 hours drive
I'll give you bats can get in houses but consider
what the odds are of such a bat being rabid and then what the odds are of the
bat biting the cat before you panic. And are the chances greater that the
bat will bite and transmit rabies to cat or to you? Dixie Louise
lives on a farm but,
Marilyn,That's a good idea. I am going to do exactly that. I think simply letting the vet know what happened, what the receptionist said and how she dealt with me, might help improve their methods.GinaMarylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might consider letting your vet (not the staff) know
Dee,
I highly recommend taking Smokey to an internist, a vet
who has passed boards for internal medicine, usually present in larger hospitals
or veterinary referral centers. They are better diagnosticians. Your vet is
shooting in the dark a little.
If it is pneumonia, my cat Patches, who
I have not been here for years,,,I have a new kitten 8 mos,,Pos on
the ELISA, ( FELV) ,no IFA yet, He is sort of visiting, Male..He will
be going with a new famly hopefully shortly but I am interested in
getting him started on some immune boosters, My vet said that they
have stopped the
I have seen very quick and positive results from Immuno-Regulin with two of
my cats, and so have several other people on this list.
Michelle
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have not
been here for years,,,I have a new kitten 8
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