date:20060913









Thank you so much, kerry for the precious information
 where did you get your oxgen? Some places dont need
prescription,,but is there a better place to get it than others.??











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kerry Roach
Sent: Wednesday, September 13,
2006 3:24 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: oxygen cage - Hideyo







Hi Hideyo,





I gave oxygen to Lil Rascal for the last 6 months of his life..He had
severe congestive heart failure. I did alot of research on it at the time
and found a feline web site that demonstrated several methods to use..I don't
know the site right off hand, but will try to locate it..





You can make a cage using a regular kennel..just seal the holes with
some plastic or even a towel as you need to leave some vent holes so outside
air can get inside. I had an O2 tank with a regulator on it, but you
really need one with the water on it cause you had to keep the air
humidfied. Most small tanks don't have the water attachment so you can
put a pan of water in the kennel and that is what I did..You can set it on 2
when you do it this way..





The web site gave several other methods and I was told this by some
other people as well..to just hold the tube in front of their nose for about 15
minutes on setting 1. This benefited Lil Rascal alot and on his bad days I
would do this several times a day..I would just lay on the floor with him not
to stress him and hold the hose in front of his nose ( just under it as it does
tickle them some) It really seemed to help him. If you can get the
cone shape mask that the vets use, it works great and they get more O2.





The third method was to put the tube in the cats mouth, but I don't
think most kitties are going to allow that, but they did have one doing it on
the site..





It did say that the method of holding the tube in front of the nose
would benefit them alot..I have to agree..





Anyway, hope this helps and I will search for the web site.





Take care,





Kerry, Bandy and Inky



 







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RE: o/t established cat and new cat

I also started using flower essence (5 different kinds) to reduce stress
and helps get everyone get along better --- if you would like, I can get
the names for you (I just don't remember in my head right now..)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: o/t established cat and new cat

When they are introduced please consider using lots of Feliway in the
rooms, 
not on the cats, but on you and in the rooms, Super Catnip in the area
and 
Rescue Remedy on the cats and in their water.  Neither cat needs to be 
stressed any more than absolutely necessary.

 If you have men who
will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with

their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:44 PM
Subject: RE: o/t established cat and new cat

 My first instinct was to say, first own cat, then after a while,
Kitty.
 BUT.  Then I thought of my own move, when Gail and I combined our 
 respective
 households -- me with Missy, Luc, and at that time Phoebe, and her
with
 Tribble and at that time Kitty.  We hadn't introduced them all to each
 other, even though we lived a hallway away in our apartment building.
It
 just didn't seem like a good idea.  When we moved, we weren't too
worried
 about the females, who were all sort of loners and wouldn't have 
 territorial
 issues.  We were worried about our two big Alphas, especially because
 Tribble especially is so confrontational.  But when we let them out of
the
 carriers and they saw each other, it was literally like:
 (nose touch) Dude!
 (ass sniff) Dude!
 No territorial stuff at all.  (It probably helped, in the long run,
that
 this house has 11 rooms and they wouldn't have to see each other at
all if
 they didn't want to, but they didn't know that then.)  So I'm
wondering 
 if,
 since there will be big changes for both cats anyway, it would be fine
to
 introduce them to the new place at the same time, and maybe there
wouldn't
 be territory wars.  I don't know.  Might be completely dependent on
the
 cats' personalities, whether the original cat NEEDS to be Alpha?

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MacKenzie,
Kerry 
 N.
 Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:51 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: o/t established cat and new cat

 Hi guys
 I'm sorry I've not been on the list recently. (Trying to prepare to go
to 
 UK
 again while working on an adopter for one of my fosters.)
 As always, all sick kitties are in my thoughts, and my heart goes out
to
 those that have lost beloved furbabies.
 I wonder if I could ask you knowledgeable folks a Q?
 The potential adopter of my foster, Kitty, took her own cat to her
parents
 place while she moved house. She says she now wants to establish her
cat 
 in
 her new home before she takes Kitty. Surely it wd be better if she
used 
 this
 ideal opportunity to move them together into the new place? Any
opinions
 much appreciated before I get back to her on this.I believe she
plans 
 to
 remove her cat tomorrow from her parents.
 Thanks as always
 Kerry

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Kerry R,
Oh my goodness, what you must have gone through re-living the
experience of lymphoma with City Kitty right after you lost your mom to
the same thing. It's as if City Kitty gave you the opportunity to try
and extend her life to help you through your grief with your mom. I
know from your posts that you are brave and loving, this proves how
strong your spirit is as well. Blessings to you my dear.

You mentioned a "special blood test" to determine lymphoma. Is there
any way you could give me specific information on this? My vets
obviously are not aware, or maybe they don't believe that confirmation
is possible with a blood test, or they surely would have suggested it
already. My appointment with Spencer is tomorrow, I hate to rush you,
but if you could let me know asap, it would be greatly appreciated. Do
you think you might have the info buried in CK's paperwork somewhere?
Could you contact the vet that helped you at the time? Perhaps you
could give me the vet's contact info and I could try to find out what
test she ran on CK's blood that convinced her it was lymphoma. I hate
the idea of putting Spencer through a bunch of stressful tests unless
it's absolutely necessary. When I approach my vet with any
suggestions, it's best to have something besides, "someone said" to
back it up.

Spencer is doing incredibly well. I can't believe the difference the
dex shots have made. He's still not acting like a well kitty, but I'm
back to saying good night, instead of good bye when I close my eyes at
night.

Thank you for your help and concern and thank you for sharing your's
and CK's experience with all of us,
Nina

Kerry Roach wrote:

  Hi Nina,
  I hope Spencer is feeling better today..I have been trying to
catch up on reading, but as usual, I'm behind..I did read this about
the possibilty of Spencer having lymphoma..There really isn't too much
expense to it to find out if it is lymphoma and you don't have to have
sonograms or mri's. My internal med specialist did a special blood
test that confirmed it on my City Kitty ( Inky's mom) and that was in
1997. The sonograms and exploratory surgery that my kitty had only
would show where the masses were located and how large...She had the
one in the middle of the intestines medistinal or something like that
and it is inoperable. So she did chemo as I mentioned in my email to
you. You can do sonograms to see if the chemo is working...I guess the
real expense is...the treatments you do and continuing xrays and
sonograms. My vet could tell by just feeling as it shrunk so I chose
not to do sonograms as it would only stress her and mainly the monthly
blood work would tell us what was going on with most things..She was on
20mg pred daily the rest of her life..and she had almost a yr. We had
to stop the chemo cause her blood counts were getting too low from the
chemo and at that point you could do no more at the time.. Now with
some other new meds on the market there may be a better chance of
longer remissions with epogen and those types meds to help with the
anemia. It was odd that when I found out that my kitty had
lymphoma..my Mom had passed away 1 month prior to that and she had
lymphoma...My kitty was treated with the same drugs that my Mom was
going to get in Houston..Almost all the tests and things they did tomy
Mom in 96 and up until her passing in 97 were the same as my kitty was
getting..So it was really a strange ordeal to live through.. Anyway, I
just wanted to share my experience with you. Also, Buster had a very
rapid form of it...lymphoblastic lymphoma if you remember he got sick
in Feb and passed on March 7. The lymph nodes in his neck swelled so
much just over night that we never even had time to do anything for
him. I had him to the vet on Fri and noticed the enlarged nodes on
Sat. took him back so she aspirated it and sent it to Texas A and M vet
school. We got the results on Tues and he passed just a few hours
after that..so we had no time for anything..He was doing ok with no
apparent signs until the last few days..That was so awful..
  Let me know if I can be of any help,
  Our prayers are with you guys,
  Kerry, Bandy and Inky
   
  Do you Yahoo!?
Everyone is raving about the 
all-new Yahoo! Mail.

RE: Spencer and irony









Nina, until Kerry gets you the information,
heres a extract of information I found..



Cancer -Leukemia
or Lymphoma 

Q: My cat has just been diagnosed
with leukemia (blood cancer, not the virus). 
She is twelve years old and I was wondering what type of treatment there
could be for her. My vet has recommended prednisone which she has
been taking for a number of years for food type allergies. 

Her
symptoms have been vague. She has never been a very good eater only
eating a 3 oz. can of IAMS a day. Sometimes not even all of this.
Within the last month, she suddenly began to eat everything in site. She
cried all the time to eat. As it was time for her shots, I took her to the Vet
Monday and mentioned her appetite. He suspected thyroid and took blood
for that ( I haven't heard back from that yet) and did a CBC. The CBC
came back with a white count of 85,000. Another test was done the next
day and sent to a pathologist where it came back at 120,000. More than
the day before. She seems to feel fine and her eating is great. 

What
I would like to know, is what can I do to help to prolong her life. 
She's a very special kitty to all of us and I would like some advice as to what
can be done. 
 

A: D- 

Probably
the first thing to do in this situation is to confirm the presence 
of leukemia. Lymphoma is much more common than leukemia and can produce 
white blood cell counts in the range you are reporting. Lymphoma in cats is
often intestinal and it is therefore hard to find, even with a very careful
examination and radiographs (X-rays). Leukemia is definitely possible, it is
just a lot less common. 

The
best ways to find lymphoma are probably ultrasonagraphy and endoscopic 
exam of the intestinal tract. Aspiration and evaluation of bone marrow by a
pathologist is a good idea since it can help differentiate between leukemia and
lymphoma and also give some insight into prognosis. 

There
are chemotherapy protocols for both lymphoma and leukemia (either 
chronic or acute). They may help to provide a better quality of life and longer
lifespan. If your vet doesn't want to provide chemotherapy you may wish to ask
for referral to a veterinary oncologist or internal medicine 
specialist. Chemotherapeutic agents have to be handled carefully and 
practitioners who will not have the opportunity to use them frequently are
often put off the by the handling requirements. We are fortunate in having a
specialist nearby who will handle our chemotherapy cases and so we refer them. 

I
hope that this helps some. 

Mike
Richards, DVM 













From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, September 13,
2006 11:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Spencer and irony





Kerry R,
Oh my goodness, what you must have gone through re-living the experience of
lymphoma with City Kitty right after you lost your mom to the same thing.
It's as if City Kitty gave you the opportunity to try and extend her life to
help you through your grief with your mom. I know from your posts that
you are brave and loving, this proves how strong your spirit is as well.
Blessings to you my dear.

You mentioned a special blood test to determine lymphoma. Is
there any way you could give me specific information on this? My vets
obviously are not aware, or maybe they don't believe that confirmation is
possible with a blood test, or they surely would have suggested it
already. My appointment with Spencer is tomorrow, I hate to rush you, but
if you could let me know asap, it would be greatly appreciated. Do you
think you might have the info buried in CK's paperwork somewhere? Could
you contact the vet that helped you at the time? Perhaps you could give
me the vet's contact info and I could try to find out what test she ran on CK's
blood that convinced her it was lymphoma. I hate the idea of putting
Spencer through a bunch of stressful tests unless it's absolutely
necessary. When I approach my vet with any suggestions, it's best to have
something besides, someone said to back it up.

Spencer is doing incredibly well. I can't believe the difference the dex
shots have made. He's still not acting like a well kitty, but I'm back to
saying good night, instead of good bye when I close my eyes at night.

Thank you for your help and concern and thank you for sharing your's and CK's
experience with all of us,
Nina

Kerry Roach wrote: 



Hi Nina,





I hope Spencer is feeling better today..I have been
trying to catch up on reading, but as usual, I'm behind..I did read this about
the possibilty of Spencer having lymphoma..There really isn't too much expense
to it to find out if it is lymphoma and you don't have to have sonograms or
mri's. My internal med specialist did a special blood test that confirmed
it on my City Kitty ( Inky's mom) and that was in 1997. The sonograms and
exploratory surgery that my kitty had only would show where the masses were
located and how large...She had the one in the middle of

Re: Spencer and irony





Thanks Hideyo,
Perhaps Kerry's vet was not as insistent on a definitive diagnosis as
my vets are. Maybe the blood test showed a drastically elevated wbc
and this was enough of an indication for her. Although, that seems
hard to imagine since there are many reasons for an elevated wbc.
Thank you for sending Dr. Richard's reply. The fact that blood cancer,
(true leukemia), would indicate different chemo treatments than
lymphoma, does help me understand more why my vets would be reluctant
to treat with out knowing for sure what we are dealing with.

The thought of bone marrow aspirates and endoscopic exams sends chills
down my spine. And that would just be the beginning of what Spencer
would have to endure. I can't even stand the thought of them having to
shave his belly for an ultrasound! I remember someone, (maybe
Michelle?), saying that they didn't have to shave them. I have a
feeling I am going to have an uphill battle with my suggestions being
taken seriously, (in that I don't want to put him through any more than
is absolutely necessary), as it is. I'm going to have to pick my
battles. I better not start with something as routine as shaving his
belly! Damn, I hate this.

How's Ayumi this morning? What great suggestions you've been getting
for that oxygen tank! It looks like you're going to be able to make
her a lot more comfortable. Wouldn't it be nice to have a website that
we could just order an at-home oxygen tank on? There's a niche that
needs to be filled here. I hope that Spirit is listening.
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

  
  

  

  
  
  
  Nina, until
Kerry gets you the information,
heres a extract of information I found..
  
  Cancer
-Leukemia
or Lymphoma 
  Q: My
cat has just been diagnosed
with leukemia (blood cancer, not the virus). 
She is twelve years old and I was wondering what type of treatment
there
could be for her. My vet has recommended prednisone which she has
been taking for a number of years for food type allergies. 
  Her
symptoms have been vague. She has never been a very good eater only
eating a 3 oz. can of IAMS a day. Sometimes not even all of this.
Within the last month, she suddenly began to eat everything in site.
She
cried all the time to eat. As it was time for her shots, I took her to
the Vet
Monday and mentioned her appetite. He suspected thyroid and took blood
for that ( I haven't heard back from that yet) and did a CBC. The CBC
came back with a white count of 85,000. Another test was done the next
day and sent to a pathologist where it came back at 120,000. More than
the day before. She seems to feel fine and her eating is great. 
  What
I would like to know, is what can I do to help to prolong her life. 
She's a very special kitty to all of us and I would like some advice as
to what
can be done. 
 
  A: D-
  
  Probably
the first thing to do in this situation is to confirm the presence 
of leukemia. Lymphoma is much more common than leukemia and can produce
  
white blood cell counts in the range you are reporting. Lymphoma in
cats is
often intestinal and it is therefore hard to find, even with a very
careful
examination and radiographs (X-rays). Leukemia is definitely possible,
it is
just a lot less common. 
  The
best ways to find lymphoma are probably ultrasonagraphy and endoscopic 
exam of the intestinal tract. Aspiration and evaluation of bone marrow
by a
pathologist is a good idea since it can help differentiate between
leukemia and
lymphoma and also give some insight into prognosis. 
  There
are chemotherapy protocols for both lymphoma and leukemia (either 
chronic or acute). They may help to provide a better quality of life
and longer
lifespan. If your vet doesn't want to provide chemotherapy you may wish
to ask
for referral to a veterinary oncologist or internal medicine 
specialist. Chemotherapeutic agents have to be handled carefully and 
practitioners who will not have the opportunity to use them frequently
are
often put off the by the handling requirements. We are fortunate in
having a
specialist nearby who will handle our chemotherapy cases and so we
refer them. 
  I
hope that this helps some. 
  Mike
Richards, DVM

Cracker's URI





Kayte,
Have you looked into Immuno-Regulin yet? One of our list members used
it subq, (under the skin injections) instead of the recommended IV
(intravenous). I haven't tried it myself, but it might be in order for
Cracker's URI. What has your vet prescribed? Did they put him on any
medications? One thing about our felv babies is that you have to hit
any sign of illness hard and fast. I'm glad you are feeling more
relaxed and confident, but don't take a wait and see approach with
this. It already sounds like it's getting worse, not better. Keep us
up to date on how that darling Crackers of yours is doing. Prayers
that he's better very soon,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Thanks Kelly I am feeling better.. Crackers is sick for the
first time in his life...a cold im thinking...i have a vet appointment
tomorrow. I look at crackers as my first living on my own pet and my
baby...I got him 5 yrs ago he has been with me my entire "adult" life.
Since he was 9 weeks old:) He is walking around sneezing on
everything..My 4 yr old thinks it is the "cutest". Crackers is handling
his first "sick" time great..I been baby talking him saying Oh my dad
whats the matter...He sneezes and then licks it up. Other than that he
has been fine. LOVING his new food. Eats like a horse and playing like
a kitten. Kelly Good Luck with the IFA on Max. I am sure Max will be
ok. Thanks for your support. Crackers sends u and max lots of kisses:)
  kayte
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  You sound so much better and I am so glad to hear it, I'll bet
you can look at Crackers now and see your wonderful companion rather
than an terminally ill animal, I am still awaiting the IFA results on
Max but we are enjoying the heck out ofr him and hes is just a bundle
of juvenile cat curiosity, I am starting the Immuno Regulin if the IFA
is pos. I have it already.
One day at a time,,,but enjoy the days right now.
Kelly

RE: o/t established cat and new cat

thanks Hideyo---if she's receptive, I'll ask you for the names. Heck, I
should probably get them for my own brood. We're having a few issues
right now. Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo
Yamamoto
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: o/t established cat and new cat

I also started using flower essence (5 different kinds) to reduce stress
and helps get everyone get along better --- if you would like, I can get
the names for you (I just don't remember in my head right now..)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: o/t established cat and new cat

When they are introduced please consider using lots of Feliway in the
rooms, 
not on the cats, but on you and in the rooms, Super Catnip in the area
and 
Rescue Remedy on the cats and in their water.  Neither cat needs to be 
stressed any more than absolutely necessary.

 If you have men who
will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with

their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:44 PM
Subject: RE: o/t established cat and new cat

 My first instinct was to say, first own cat, then after a while,
Kitty.
 BUT.  Then I thought of my own move, when Gail and I combined our 
 respective
 households -- me with Missy, Luc, and at that time Phoebe, and her
with
 Tribble and at that time Kitty.  We hadn't introduced them all to each
 other, even though we lived a hallway away in our apartment building.
It
 just didn't seem like a good idea.  When we moved, we weren't too
worried
 about the females, who were all sort of loners and wouldn't have 
 territorial
 issues.  We were worried about our two big Alphas, especially because
 Tribble especially is so confrontational.  But when we let them out of
the
 carriers and they saw each other, it was literally like:
 (nose touch) Dude!
 (ass sniff) Dude!
 No territorial stuff at all.  (It probably helped, in the long run,
that
 this house has 11 rooms and they wouldn't have to see each other at
all if
 they didn't want to, but they didn't know that then.)  So I'm
wondering 
 if,
 since there will be big changes for both cats anyway, it would be fine
to
 introduce them to the new place at the same time, and maybe there
wouldn't
 be territory wars.  I don't know.  Might be completely dependent on
the
 cats' personalities, whether the original cat NEEDS to be Alpha?

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MacKenzie,
Kerry 
 N.
 Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:51 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: o/t established cat and new cat

 Hi guys
 I'm sorry I've not been on the list recently. (Trying to prepare to go
to 
 UK
 again while working on an adopter for one of my fosters.)
 As always, all sick kitties are in my thoughts, and my heart goes out
to
 those that have lost beloved furbabies.
 I wonder if I could ask you knowledgeable folks a Q?
 The potential adopter of my foster, Kitty, took her own cat to her
parents
 place while she moved house. She says she now wants to establish her
cat 
 in
 her new home before she takes Kitty. Surely it wd be better if she
used 
 this
 ideal opportunity to move them together into the new place? Any
opinions
 much appreciated before I get back to her on this.I believe she
plans 
 to
 remove her cat tomorrow from her parents.
 Thanks as always
 Kerry

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2006-09-13 Thread Susan Franklin

The flower essence is called Rescue Remedy - it's available from Drs.
Foster  _, online and supposedly at health food stores.  It's
liquid to put in water or on food or a spray (directly into the mouth).



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/13/06 12:01:52 PM 
I also started using flower essence (5 different kinds) to reduce
stress
and helps get everyone get along better --- if you would like, I can
get
the names for you (I just don't remember in my head right now..)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: o/t established cat and new cat

When they are introduced please consider using lots of Feliway in the
rooms, 
not on the cats, but on you and in the rooms, Super Catnip in the area
and 
Rescue Remedy on the cats and in their water.  Neither cat needs to be

stressed any more than absolutely necessary.






 If you have men who
will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise
with

their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:44 PM
Subject: RE: o/t established cat and new cat


 My first instinct was to say, first own cat, then after a while,
Kitty.
 BUT.  Then I thought of my own move, when Gail and I combined our 
 respective
 households -- me with Missy, Luc, and at that time Phoebe, and her
with
 Tribble and at that time Kitty.  We hadn't introduced them all to
each
 other, even though we lived a hallway away in our apartment
building.
It
 just didn't seem like a good idea.  When we moved, we weren't too
worried
 about the females, who were all sort of loners and wouldn't have 
 territorial
 issues.  We were worried about our two big Alphas, especially
because
 Tribble especially is so confrontational.  But when we let them out
of
the
 carriers and they saw each other, it was literally like:
 (nose touch) Dude!
 (ass sniff) Dude!
 No territorial stuff at all.  (It probably helped, in the long run,
that
 this house has 11 rooms and they wouldn't have to see each other at
all if
 they didn't want to, but they didn't know that then.)  So I'm
wondering 
 if,
 since there will be big changes for both cats anyway, it would be
fine
to
 introduce them to the new place at the same time, and maybe there
wouldn't
 be territory wars.  I don't know.  Might be completely dependent on
the
 cats' personalities, whether the original cat NEEDS to be Alpha?

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MacKenzie,
Kerry 
 N.
 Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:51 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Subject: o/t established cat and new cat


 Hi guys
 I'm sorry I've not been on the list recently. (Trying to prepare to
go
to 
 UK
 again while working on an adopter for one of my fosters.)
 As always, all sick kitties are in my thoughts, and my heart goes
out
to
 those that have lost beloved furbabies.
 I wonder if I could ask you knowledgeable folks a Q?
 The potential adopter of my foster, Kitty, took her own cat to her
parents
 place while she moved house. She says she now wants to establish her
cat 
 in
 her new home before she takes Kitty. Surely it wd be better if she
used 
 this
 ideal opportunity to move them together into the new place? Any
opinions
 much appreciated before I get back to her on this.I believe she
plans 
 to
 remove her cat tomorrow from her parents.
 Thanks as always
 Kerry



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RE: o/t established cat and new cat

Title: Message



Thanks Diane. Wonderful!

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Diane RosenfeldtSent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 
10:45 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: o/t 
established cat and new cat
My first instinct was to say, first own cat, then after a while, 
Kitty. BUT. Then I thought of my own move, when Gail and I combined 
our respective households -- me with Missy, Luc, and at that time Phoebe, and 
her with Tribble and at that time Kitty. We hadn't introduced them all to 
each other, even though we lived a hallway away in our apartment building. 
It just didn't seem like a good idea. When we moved, we weren't too 
worried about the females, who were all sort of loners and wouldn't have 
territorial issues. We were worried about our two big Alphas, especially 
because Tribble especially is so confrontational. But when we let them out 
of the carriers and they saw each other, it was literally 
like:
(nose touch) "Dude!" 
(ass sniff) "Dude!" 
No territorial stuff at all. (It 
probably helped, in the long run, that this house has 11 rooms and they wouldn't 
have to see each other at all if they didn't want to, but they didn't know that 
then.) So I'm wondering if, since there will be big changes for both cats 
anyway, it would be fine to introduce them to the new place at the same time, 
and maybe there wouldn't be territory wars. I don't know. Might be 
completely dependent on the cats' personalities, whether the original cat NEEDS 
to be Alpha?

Diane R.

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of MacKenzie, 
  Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:51 PMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: o/t established cat and new 
  cat
  
  Hi guys
  I'm sorry I've not been on the list 
  recently. (Trying to prepare to go to UK againwhileworking on an 
  adopter for one of my fosters.)
  As always, all sick kitties are in my 
  thoughts, and my heart goes out to those that have lostbeloved 
  furbabies.
  I wonder if I could ask you knowledgeable 
  folks a Q? 
  The potential adopterof my foster, 
  Kitty, took her own catto her parents place while she moved house. She 
  says she nowwants to establish her cat inher new home before she 
  takes Kitty. Surely it wd be better if she used this ideal opportunity to move 
  them together into the new place? Any opinions much appreciated before I get 
  back to her on this.I believe she plans to remove her cat tomorrow from 
  her parents. 
  Thanks as always
  Kerry
  
  
  
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RE: o/t established cat and new cat

Good point. Thanks for the reminder, Marylyn.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: o/t established cat and new cat

When they are introduced please consider using lots of Feliway in the
rooms, 
not on the cats, but on you and in the rooms, Super Catnip in the area
and 
Rescue Remedy on the cats and in their water.  Neither cat needs to be 
stressed any more than absolutely necessary.

 If you have men who
will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with

their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:44 PM
Subject: RE: o/t established cat and new cat

 My first instinct was to say, first own cat, then after a while,
Kitty.
 BUT.  Then I thought of my own move, when Gail and I combined our 
 respective
 households -- me with Missy, Luc, and at that time Phoebe, and her
with
 Tribble and at that time Kitty.  We hadn't introduced them all to each
 other, even though we lived a hallway away in our apartment building.
It
 just didn't seem like a good idea.  When we moved, we weren't too
worried
 about the females, who were all sort of loners and wouldn't have 
 territorial
 issues.  We were worried about our two big Alphas, especially because
 Tribble especially is so confrontational.  But when we let them out of
the
 carriers and they saw each other, it was literally like:
 (nose touch) Dude!
 (ass sniff) Dude!
 No territorial stuff at all.  (It probably helped, in the long run,
that
 this house has 11 rooms and they wouldn't have to see each other at
all if
 they didn't want to, but they didn't know that then.)  So I'm
wondering 
 if,
 since there will be big changes for both cats anyway, it would be fine
to
 introduce them to the new place at the same time, and maybe there
wouldn't
 be territory wars.  I don't know.  Might be completely dependent on
the
 cats' personalities, whether the original cat NEEDS to be Alpha?

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MacKenzie,
Kerry 
 N.
 Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:51 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: o/t established cat and new cat

 Hi guys
 I'm sorry I've not been on the list recently. (Trying to prepare to go
to 
 UK
 again while working on an adopter for one of my fosters.)
 As always, all sick kitties are in my thoughts, and my heart goes out
to
 those that have lost beloved furbabies.
 I wonder if I could ask you knowledgeable folks a Q?
 The potential adopter of my foster, Kitty, took her own cat to her
parents
 place while she moved house. She says she now wants to establish her
cat 
 in
 her new home before she takes Kitty. Surely it wd be better if she
used 
 this
 ideal opportunity to move them together into the new place? Any
opinions
 much appreciated before I get back to her on this.I believe she
plans 
 to
 remove her cat tomorrow from her parents.
 Thanks as always
 Kerry

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Re: Cracker's URI

2006-09-13 Thread Tad Burnett





Nina and Kayte
 My 2 cents... I asked my new young vet to look into I R and she went
to her same internet group that poo pooed DEX and got the word that it
wasn't any better than interferon.. 
If you have been following my story you know what I am thinking about
the decision to not give Leo more DEX

However I have seen interferon work miracles sometimes...
I don't remember if Crackers is on interferon or not but I believe
all FeLV+ kitties should have it on hand and given it at the 1st sign
of any bug... 
The last kitty that I got is a double pos. and came from a vet that
has her on it all the time even though she seems perfectly well...
So not all vets are afraid to give meds before they are dying and
its too late...
OOPS...Guess I am still ranting..
Tad

Nina wrote:

  
  
Kayte,
Have you looked into Immuno-Regulin yet? One of our list members used
it subq, (under the skin injections) instead of the recommended IV
(intravenous). I haven't tried it myself, but it might be in order for
Cracker's URI. What has your vet prescribed? Did they put him on any
medications? One thing about our felv babies is that you have to hit
any sign of illness hard and fast. I'm glad you are feeling more
relaxed and confident, but don't take a wait and see approach with
this. It already sounds like it's getting worse, not better. Keep us
up to date on how that darling Crackers of yours is doing. Prayers
that he's better very soon,
Nina
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  



Thanks Kelly I am feeling better.. Crackers is sick for the
first time in his life...a cold im thinking...i have a vet appointment
tomorrow. I look at crackers as my first living on my own pet and my
baby...I got him 5 yrs ago he has been with me my entire "adult" life.
Since he was 9 weeks old:) He is walking around sneezing on
everything..My 4 yr old thinks it is the "cutest". Crackers is handling
his first "sick" time great..I been baby talking him saying Oh my dad
whats the matter...He sneezes and then licks it up. Other than that he
has been fine. LOVING his new food. Eats like a horse and playing like
a kitten. Kelly Good Luck with the IFA on Max. I am sure Max will be
ok. Thanks for your support. Crackers sends u and max lots of kisses:)
kayte












You sound so much better and I am so glad to hear it, I'll bet
you can look at Crackers now and see your wonderful companion rather
than an terminally ill animal, I am still awaiting the IFA results on
Max but we are enjoying the heck out ofr him and hes is just a bundle
of juvenile cat curiosity, I am starting the Immuno Regulin if the IFA
is pos. I have it already.
One day at a time,,,but enjoy the days right now.
Kelly

RE: Diane - heart murmurs and pilling









Hi, I only read a partial of this email
string, but.. if your kitty is a little bit anemic, heart murmur is very common
 and if the grade is low like 1 or 2, dont be too concerned right
now.. my Hannibal
had low grade (2) heart murmur for a long time, and his heart got never
weakened..unfortuntately, he passed away due to his kidney problem a couple of
months ago, but his heart was very strong and consistent even until the end of
his last breathe.











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, September 13,
2006 12:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Diane - heart murmurs and
pilling





Hi Diane,
I would get another vet to confirm that heart murmur before you
fret about it. From what you describe, I'm betting it's not as big a
concern as you might fear. Even if she does have a slight murmur, (I'm
hoping she doesn't), it's not that uncommon a condition. Get backup on
this possibility before you worry about it too much.

Missy sounds like a real trial to pill. Did you try my trick
with using small amounts of pill pocket to hide her pills in a tiny bit of
yummy food? That's the easiest way to pill someone that is still
interested in eating. Don't just offer her the pill in the pill
pocket. (My cats looked at me like I'd offered them pencil erasers when I
did that). If you can't get my trick to work, then for Heaven's sake,
wrap that girl in a towel before you try pilling her. If she's wrapped up
like a little mummy, with only her head poking out, then she can't scratch you
on dismount. It will also keep her calmer because she'll soon
see that struggling does her no good. You can even do this without a
helper. Put her in the middle of a laid out towel, hold her in place by
gently scruffing her and wrap one end around her, tuck, and then tuck the
other, (nice and snug), tuck the end of the towel under her butt. If you
do this on the floor, you can mount her, putting her between your
legs with her head in between your knees, (keep your feet together so she can't
squirm away backwards). Or if she's on a counter, you can put your left
arm around her to hold her in place, scruff her gently and pill her with your
right. Practice makes perfect! I remember someone else suggesting
the pill popper. Have you ordered one yet? Please do. That
will save your hands and help you get the pill down faster and also help in
getting it close enough to the back of her throat to go down the first
time. Just put the end of the pill popper close to the back of her throat
and plunge gently. Try not to suppress her tongue, or you'll make her
gag. Follow it with a few ccs of water or tuna water to make sure she
swallows it all the way down. I used to give the oral interferon after
pilling. If she's not too stressed out, you can offer her something yummy
to eat as a thank you after you're done. When I was pilling Gracie on a
regular basis, her thank you treat was to get to go outside for a
supervised play session. I'd release her and she'd run to the back door
and wait for me.
Nina

Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:



The heart murmur is something new as far
as we know. The vet who looked at her (not her regular, when you keep the
hours I do you pretty much need to take whoever has the late shift that day)
noticed it, said it was very slight, and could even have been something else
like a breathing noise. Missy is murder to pill, she's chomped on me a
number of times. She's got the jaw muscles of a Great White, and the
tongue dexterity of, er, Monica Lewinsky (sorry) so often what goes in comes
flipping out unless you can poke it way far back. Hence most of the
chomping is done with her molars rather than those sharp canines, and the skin
isn't broken,but it still hurts. Then, when we actually jointly
pill her, there's the dismount, in which she disgustedly bolts away from the
caretaker who's doing the holding-down, usually me, leaving large angry
scratches all over my chest with her sharp back toes. I'm grateful that I
seldom have to strip for doctor appointments



The only other bites I ever really got
were from our Tribble, who's a psycho, and that was years ago (he tries every
day, but we know how to stay away from his teeth), and then from (Wini)Fred,
our quasi-feral-turned-scritching-junkie, when we first got her. This was
my first exposure to a hard stray, I was doing everything wrong. She
allowed me to pet her, looming over her as she hid behind a couch, for 20
minutes, then deservedly chomped. She never did again, but of course I
got infected and had to go toprompt care and get a big rumpful of
Ro-whatsis and 10 days worth of Augmentum. Plus the prompt care
practitioner told me I HAD to report the bite, since we'd only had the cat a
few days and she hadn't had shots yet. The very bored cop who turned up
to follow up really wasn't aware of me HAVING to report it, and said that as
long as the cat was in our place to observe, he didn't even write it up. 



Diane R.

RE: Spencer and irony









Nina, Ayumi did go through ultrasound and
they did not shave her.. so its not that uncommon not to shave, so
please ask you do not want to.. they are not painful, but uncomfortable (where
they had her lay) so she did not like it very much  you can sit right
besides Spencer, I did with Ayumi  I sort of helped her hold since she
wanted to move around 



There is person who has been very helpful from
feline heart support list, and she uses oxygen concentrator and not a tank.. with
this machine you can use air and takes oxygen and concentrates in this machine
so that I wont have to get oxygen filled by someone else.. I like the
idea.. so I just made a bid through eBay (her suggestion).. it usually costs
$600 as new.. but its cheaper used.. so lets hope my bid will go
through..



When is the appointment for Pete  I
keep thinking of her. and Spence..



Love,



Hideyo











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, September 13,
2006 11:44 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Spencer and irony





Thanks Hideyo,
Perhaps Kerry's vet was not as insistent on a definitive diagnosis as my vets
are. Maybe the blood test showed a drastically elevated wbc and this was
enough of an indication for her. Although, that seems hard to imagine
since there are many reasons for an elevated wbc. Thank you for sending
Dr. Richard's reply. The fact that blood cancer, (true leukemia), would
indicate different chemo treatments than lymphoma, does help me understand more
why my vets would be reluctant to treat with out knowing for sure what we are
dealing with.

The thought of bone marrow aspirates and endoscopic exams sends chills down my
spine. And that would just be the beginning of what Spencer would have to
endure. I can't even stand the thought of them having to shave his belly
for an ultrasound! I remember someone, (maybe Michelle?), saying that
they didn't have to shave them. I have a feeling I am going to have an
uphill battle with my suggestions being taken seriously, (in that I don't want
to put him through any more than is absolutely necessary), as it is. I'm
going to have to pick my battles. I better not start with something as
routine as shaving his belly! Damn, I hate this.

How's Ayumi this morning? What great suggestions you've been getting for
that oxygen tank! It looks like you're going to be able to make her a lot
more comfortable. Wouldn't it be nice to have a website that we could
just order an at-home oxygen tank on? There's a niche that needs to be
filled here. I hope that Spirit is listening.
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:



Nina,
until Kerry gets you the information, heres a extract of information I
found..



Cancer -Leukemia
or Lymphoma 

Q: My cat has just been diagnosed
with leukemia (blood cancer, not the virus). 
She is twelve years old and I was wondering what type of treatment there
could be for her. My vet has recommended prednisone which she has
been taking for a number of years for food type allergies. 

Her
symptoms have been vague. She has never been a very good eater only
eating a 3 oz. can of IAMS a day. Sometimes not even all of this.
Within the last month, she suddenly began to eat everything in site. She
cried all the time to eat. As it was time for her shots, I took her to the Vet
Monday and mentioned her appetite. He suspected thyroid and took blood
for that ( I haven't heard back from that yet) and did a CBC. The CBC
came back with a white count of 85,000. Another test was done the next
day and sent to a pathologist where it came back at 120,000. More than
the day before. She seems to feel fine and her eating is great. 

What
I would like to know, is what can I do to help to prolong her life. 
She's a very special kitty to all of us and I would like some advice as to what
can be done. 
 

A: D- 

Probably
the first thing to do in this situation is to confirm the presence 
of leukemia. Lymphoma is much more common than leukemia and can produce 
white blood cell counts in the range you are reporting. Lymphoma in cats is
often intestinal and it is therefore hard to find, even with a very careful
examination and radiographs (X-rays). Leukemia is definitely possible, it is
just a lot less common. 

The
best ways to find lymphoma are probably ultrasonagraphy and endoscopic 
exam of the intestinal tract. Aspiration and evaluation of bone marrow by a
pathologist is a good idea since it can help differentiate between leukemia and
lymphoma and also give some insight into prognosis. 

There
are chemotherapy protocols for both lymphoma and leukemia (either 
chronic or acute). They may help to provide a better quality of life and longer
lifespan. If your vet doesn't want to provide chemotherapy you may wish to ask
for referral to a veterinary oncologist or internal medicine 
specialist. Chemotherapeutic agents have to be handled carefully and 
practitioners who will not have the opportunity to use them frequently are
often put off

Re: Diane - heart murmurs and pilling

2006-09-13 Thread Tad Burnett





Yes... Heart murmurs seem to go along with something being off in a
blood work up count...
I have seen it along with kidney failure... 
It might be worth having a blood work up to see if there is anything
that you could start
working on before it gets too bad..
Tad

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

  
  

  
  
  
  
  Hi, I only
read a partial of this email
string, but.. if your kitty is a little bit anemic, heart murmur is
very common
 and if the grade is low like 1 or 2, dont be too concerned right
now.. my Hannibal
had low grade (2) heart murmur for a long time, and his heart got never
weakened..unfortuntately, he passed away due to his kidney problem a
couple of
months ago, but his heart was very strong and consistent even until the
end of
his last breathe.
  
  
  
  
  From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Nina
  Sent: Wednesday,
September 13,
2006 12:26 PM
  To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Diane - heart
murmurs and
pilling
  
  
  Hi Diane,
I would get another vet to confirm that "heart murmur" before you
fret about it. From what you describe, I'm betting it's not as big a
concern as you might fear. Even if she does have a slight murmur, (I'm
hoping she doesn't), it's not that uncommon a condition. Get backup on
this possibility before you worry about it too much.
  
Missy sounds like a real trial to pill. Did you try my "trick"
with using small amounts of pill pocket to hide her pills in a tiny bit
of
yummy food? That's the easiest way to pill someone that is still
interested in eating. Don't just offer her the pill in the pill
pocket. (My cats looked at me like I'd offered them pencil erasers
when I
did that). If you can't get my trick to work, then for Heaven's sake,
wrap that girl in a towel before you try pilling her. If she's wrapped
up
like a little mummy, with only her head poking out, then she can't
scratch you
on "dismount". It will also keep her calmer because she'll soon
see that struggling does her no good. You can even do this without a
helper. Put her in the middle of a laid out towel, hold her in place
by
gently scruffing her and wrap one end around her, tuck, and then tuck
the
other, (nice and snug), tuck the end of the towel under her butt. If
you
do this on the floor, you can "mount" her, putting her between your
legs with her head in between your knees, (keep your feet together so
she can't
squirm away backwards). Or if she's on a counter, you can put your
left
arm around her to hold her in place, scruff her gently and pill her
with your
right. Practice makes perfect! I remember someone else suggesting
the pill popper. Have you ordered one yet? Please do. That
will save your hands and help you get the pill down faster and also
help in
getting it close enough to the back of her throat to go down the first
time. Just put the end of the pill popper close to the back of her
throat
and plunge gently. Try not to suppress her tongue, or you'll make her
gag. Follow it with a few ccs of water or tuna water to make sure she
swallows it all the way down. I used to give the oral interferon after
pilling. If she's not too stressed out, you can offer her something
yummy
to eat as a thank you after you're done. When I was pilling Gracie on
a
regular basis, her "thank you treat" was to get to go outside for a
supervised play session. I'd release her and she'd run to the back
door
and wait for me.
Nina
  
Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:
  
  
  The heart
murmur is something new as far
as we know. The vet who looked at her (not her regular, when you keep
the
hours I do you pretty much need to take whoever has the late shift that
day)
noticed it, said it was very slight, and could even have been something
else
like a breathing noise. Missy is murder to pill, she's chomped on me a
number of times. She's got the jaw muscles of a Great White, and the
tongue dexterity of, er, Monica Lewinsky (sorry) so often what goes in
comes
flipping out unless you can poke it way far back. Hence most of the
chomping is done with her molars rather than those sharp canines, and
the skin
isn't broken,but it still hurts. Then, when we actually jointly
pill her, there's the dismount, in which she disgustedly bolts away
from the
caretaker who's doing the holding-down, usually me, leaving large angry
scratches all over my chest with her sharp back toes. I'm grateful
that I
seldom have to strip for doctor appointments
  
  The only
other bites I ever really got
were from our Tribble, who's a psycho, and that was years ago (he tries
every
day, but we know how to stay away from his teeth), and then from
(Wini)Fred,
our quasi-feral-turned-scritching-junkie, when we first got her. This
was
my first exposure to a hard stray, I was doing everything wrong. She
allowed me to pet her, looming over her as she hid behind a couch, for
20
minutes, then deservedly chomped. She never did again, but of course I
got infected and had to go toprompt care and get a big rumpful of
Ro-whatsis and 10 days worth of

RE: Diane - heart murmurs and pilling









Also, if X ray show any abnormality (fluid
in lungs or enlarged heart), then ultrasound might be necessary to determine
the cause of murmur, too.











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tad Burnett
Sent: Wednesday, September 13,
2006 1:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Diane - heart murmurs
and pilling





Yes... Heart murmurs seem to go along with something
being off in a blood work up count...
I have seen it along with kidney failure... 
It might be worth having a blood work up to see if there is anything that you
could start
working on before it gets too bad..
Tad

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:



Hi, I only read a partial
of this email string, but.. if your kitty is a little bit anemic, heart murmur
is very common  and if the grade is low like 1 or 2, dont be too
concerned right now.. my Hannibal
had low grade (2) heart murmur for a long time, and his heart got never
weakened..unfortuntately, he passed away due to his kidney problem a couple of
months ago, but his heart was very strong and consistent even until the end of
his last breathe.











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, September 13,
2006 12:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Diane - heart murmurs and
pilling







Hi Diane,
I would get another vet to confirm that heart murmur before you
fret about it. From what you describe, I'm betting it's not as big a
concern as you might fear. Even if she does have a slight murmur, (I'm
hoping she doesn't), it's not that uncommon a condition. Get backup on
this possibility before you worry about it too much.

Missy sounds like a real trial to pill. Did you try my trick
with using small amounts of pill pocket to hide her pills in a tiny bit of
yummy food? That's the easiest way to pill someone that is still
interested in eating. Don't just offer her the pill in the pill
pocket. (My cats looked at me like I'd offered them pencil erasers when I
did that). If you can't get my trick to work, then for Heaven's sake,
wrap that girl in a towel before you try pilling her. If she's wrapped up
like a little mummy, with only her head poking out, then she can't scratch you
on dismount. It will also keep her calmer because she'll soon
see that struggling does her no good. You can even do this without a
helper. Put her in the middle of a laid out towel, hold her in place by
gently scruffing her and wrap one end around her, tuck, and then tuck the
other, (nice and snug), tuck the end of the towel under her butt. If you
do this on the floor, you can mount her, putting her between your
legs with her head in between your knees, (keep your feet together so she can't
squirm away backwards). Or if she's on a counter, you can put your left
arm around her to hold her in place, scruff her gently and pill her with your
right. Practice makes perfect! I remember someone else suggesting
the pill popper. Have you ordered one yet? Please do. That
will save your hands and help you get the pill down faster and also help in
getting it close enough to the back of her throat to go down the first
time. Just put the end of the pill popper close to the back of her throat
and plunge gently. Try not to suppress her tongue, or you'll make her
gag. Follow it with a few ccs of water or tuna water to make sure she
swallows it all the way down. I used to give the oral interferon after
pilling. If she's not too stressed out, you can offer her something yummy
to eat as a thank you after you're done. When I was pilling Gracie on a
regular basis, her thank you treat was to get to go outside for a
supervised play session. I'd release her and she'd run to the back door
and wait for me.
Nina

Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:






The heart murmur is something new as far
as we know. The vet who looked at her (not her regular, when you keep the
hours I do you pretty much need to take whoever has the late shift that day)
noticed it, said it was very slight, and could even have been something else
like a breathing noise. Missy is murder to pill, she's chomped on me a
number of times. She's got the jaw muscles of a Great White, and the
tongue dexterity of, er, Monica Lewinsky (sorry) so often what goes in comes
flipping out unless you can poke it way far back. Hence most of the
chomping is done with her molars rather than those sharp canines, and the skin isn't
broken,but it still hurts. Then, when we actually jointly pill her,
there's the dismount, in which she disgustedly bolts away from the caretaker
who's doing the holding-down, usually me, leaving large angry scratches all
over my chest with her sharp back toes. I'm grateful that I seldom have
to strip for doctor appointments



The only other bites I ever really got
were from our Tribble, who's a psycho, and that was years ago (he tries every day,
but we know how to stay away from his teeth), and then from (Wini)Fred, our
quasi-feral-turned-scritching-junkie, when we first got her. This

Re: Diane - heart murmurs and pilling

2006-09-13 Thread Carbonel

- Original Message - 
From: Tad Burnett
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: Diane - heart murmurs and pilling

Yes... Heart murmurs seem to go along with something being off in a blood
work up count...
I have seen it along with kidney failure...

Hi Tad,

Anemia is common cause of murmurs in cats with FeLV and CRF.  Anemia
decreases blood viscosity. As packed cell volume (PCV)decreases, blood
becomes more like water, making it easier for turbulence to develop. Stroke
volume also increases in anemic cats to compensate for the loss of
oxygen-carrying units (red blood cells). The combination of the decreased
viscosity and the increased stroke volume (increased velocity) can easily
produce a heart murmur. These types of murmurs usually dissapear when the
anemia is corrected.

Most important murmurs are at least grade III, I  IIs are often found in
normal cats.  Its almost impossible to tell the difference between an
innocent and a functional murmur without additional testing.

Joe

Re: Diane - heart murmurs and pilling

2006-09-13 Thread Tad Burnett





I agree with Anema and heart mummer showing together...
But isn't anemia also a result of poor blood condition ???
Tad

Carbonel wrote:

  - Original Message - 
From: Tad Burnett
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: Diane - heart murmurs and pilling


  
  
Yes... Heart murmurs seem to go along with something being off in a blood

  
  work up count...
  
  
I have seen it along with kidney failure...

  
  
Hi Tad,

Anemia is common cause of murmurs in cats with FeLV and CRF.  Anemia
decreases blood viscosity. As packed cell volume (PCV)decreases, blood
becomes more like water, making it easier for turbulence to develop. Stroke
volume also increases in anemic cats to compensate for the loss of
oxygen-carrying units (red blood cells). The combination of the decreased
viscosity and the increased stroke volume (increased velocity) can easily
produce a heart murmur. These types of murmurs usually dissapear when the
anemia is corrected.

Most important murmurs are at least grade III, I  IIs are often found in
normal cats.  Its almost impossible to tell the difference between an
innocent and a functional murmur without additional testing.

Joe

OT: air travel with pets

2006-09-13 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH

This topic came up earlier, if I remember correctly. There is an article
on flying with pets in the September issue of Consumer Reports, p.8
called When the Fur Flies.
The article mentions a web-site of the Department of Transportation
which lists incidents: airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/reports/index.htm

Bonnie

http://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.html
http://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/
http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf

Re: oxygen cage - Hideyo

2006-09-13 Thread Kerry Roach

Hi,  I just happened to have 2 people that worked for me with husbands that are on oxygen at home..(portable) so they both had extra tanks and loaned them to me with the tube. They even offered to refill them with their prescriptions but I never had to refill them..They usually lasts for 6 hrs with it set on 1 or 1.5..and I really never had to give Lil Rascal that much at once..only emergency cases..  I don't know where you can find them without a prescription, but I'm sure we can, that would be a good thing to know..But your vet can write a script and you can rent one from a medical supply place..I called here and they thought I was nuts..I think, but they can't even turn down a vet's script cause it is very legal..  If you know someone on O2, see if they won't help you out like that. Most people usually have extra tanks...  Good luck with it,  Kerry, Bandy and Inky 
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RE: Oxygen tank - will this work - To Joe









Thank you very much for all the
information  

I must be a bit dull as I am still
confused as to what I need to do  could you help me set this up step by
step?



Do I need presdcriptions from my vet? If so,
what do I need prescriptions for?





size E O2 cylinder 
does it come empty? If so where do I get oxygen filled?



If I added up all the things listed below, it totals to
more than $175  do I not need to buy everything on the list?



And I was not sure how to set this part up 

Can you explain to me more? Sorry..



For a cat, your vet will probably prescribe a chamber with about 40% FiO2(fraction of inspired oxygen) -- .5 lpm usually provides that. Mostregulators are calibrated in .5 lpm increments. So you probably don't needan expensive pediatric regulator. In fact, the standard 8 lpm regulatorsare better than pediatric regulators because you can turn up the valve tobring FiO2 to 40% much more quickly- especially important in a crisissituation. For the humidifier, run a short piece of O2 tubing (or any 1/4plastic tubing) to the intake port on the top of the bottle and attach the

cannula to the side port. 











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, September 13,
2006 11:20 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Oxygen tank - will
this work





Thanks Joe for this detailed post on creating an
at-home oxygen tank for our kitties. I have to admit, I don't understand
it completely, but this is getting saved!
Nina

Carbonel wrote:



- Original Message - From: Hideyo YamamotoTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:53 PMSubject: Oxygen tank - will this work 

Hi, I found this product to make an oxygen tank for my ayumi - is this 

something that will work to make an oxygen tank for my cat? 

http://www.emergencypax.com/oxygen/component/option,com_phpshop/page,shop.b 

rowse/category_id,1/TreeId,1/Hi Hideyo,I had to make an oxygen/nebulizing chamber for my asthmatic cat. You canmake your own system for a lot less than the systems in the link youprovided. You can make an excellent system for about $175 complete. Allyou need is a size E O2 cylinder, a regulator and a clear plastic Rubbermaidstorage bin. You can also use an E collar with a piece of saran wrap overthe front. You'll have to make a few very small holes for CO2 vents. For O2delivery, just run a standard cannula in from the bottom of the collarcentered under his nose. You can also rent O2 tanks from a local supplier.For a cat, your vet will probably prescribe a chamber with about 40% FiO2(fraction of inspired oxygen) -- .5 lpm usually provides that. Mostregulators are calibrated in .5 lpm increments. So you probably don't needan expensive pediatric regulator. In fact, the standard 8 lpm regulatorsare better than pediatric regulators because you can turn up the valve tobring FiO2 to 40% much more quickly- especially important in a crisissituation. For the humidifier, run a short piece of O2 tubing (or any 1/4plastic tubing) to the intake port on the top of the bottle and attach thecannula to the side port. Use distilled water in the humidifier.Here's everything you'll need except for the Rubbermaid storage bin and Ecollar:http://www.tri-medinc.com/E Cylinders CGA870 standard Cylinder Valve - SKU 20012 $ 89.95Standard cannula , by Salter, 1600, 0-8 LPM, SKU 19101 Ea. $ 1.89Cannula Extension Hose, 25 Foot, SKU 19134 $ 5.49 Ea. -Adult Regulator 0 to 8 LPM SKU 20022 $ 79.95Pediatric Regulator, for CGA870 Valve, 1/32 to 1 LPM SKU 20025 $ 119.95SalterLabs Humidifier Bottle, SKU 18100 Ea.$ 3.29I hope this helps.Joe Carbone

Cannot Diagnose Breathing Issue with Smokey

2006-09-13 Thread Dee Evan

Hi everyone.  Sorry I haven't been checking any of our messages lately. 
We are perplexed by Smokey's breathing issues.  We have had him to the 
vet 3-4 times in the past month trying to figure out what is going on.  
We did another chest x-ray.  There is no fluid around his lungs but his 
lungs still look like fluffy cotton, maybe even a little worse at his 
last visit on 09/05/06.  Our vet sent blood work out to a lab to get 
several tests ran.  The results came back today.  His RBC is at 5.92 so 
he has slight anemia.  His hematocrit is at 37%.  But everything else 
was negative.  No infection, no bacteria, no fungal infection, 
everything came out clean.  It was even negative for the hemobart 
parasite.  I plan on finishing the Doxy regiment until at least the 21st 
though.  I am just worried sick over his breathing.  Periodically he 
also has coughing fits.  I just don't know what to think.  The vet said 
the next step would be an ultrasound, especially of his heart.  I 
started him on Lysine last week.  I think he has gotten wise to it as he 
has stopped eating as much of his canned food that I put it in.  At 
least I am hoping that is the case  it is not because he doesn't want 
to eat now.  He still LOVES his chicken I feed him in the morning  
evening.  We have a running tally of about $1,200 to $1,300 so far and I 
am running out of resourse to fund this.  Any input, suggestions, or 
encouragement would be greatly appreciated at this point.  Thanks to 
everyone...you are a wonderful group of people.  All of your 
furbabies are in good hands. 


~Dee

Re: I'm glad you're sitting down - Spencer

2006-09-13 Thread catatonya

Nina,I'm glad Spencer came home. I don't know what he's thinking, but I'm glad he decided he wants to be with you. Maybe he just wanted a little gad about because he knows he's sick. Thinking of you. tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You people are not going to believe this. Spencer has come home! I can't believe it myself. He sauntered up while I was putting food out for the ferals. For a second, I thought he was an apparition. I had to blink hard, he just seemed to be saying, hi Mom, like it was any other day. He looked so good, so bright and ALIVE! I ushered him inside and he took a big long drink of water. I was thinking of what Leslie said about her friend, I was thinking about miracles. When I came back from making his bed he was sprawled
out on his side on the kitchen floor. I guess he must of used up a lot of his limited energy to make it home. His only movement was that rapid breathing. All the other animals were hovering around him, sniffing him, nosing him, I don't think they can believe it either. I've gone through so many emotional contortions since yesterday afternoon. I had finally resolved myself to the fact that he probably wasn't coming back, and here he is. He's resting in the front room on his bed, at least the dogs aren't allowed in there. Last time I looked, there were four cats lying close by, seemingly keeping him company.I don't know if I wrote the group about this... The vet that was on ER duty when I brought Spence in called with the report from the radiologist today. He suspects lymphoma, possibly a mass, possibly an enlarged heart. I asked them, (at the time I didn't think he was coming back), if they would be able to
prescribe something that would possibly put him into remission, or at the very least make him more comfortable. She told me that since the lymph node aspirate they attempted hadn't been successful, they would have to do more tests. I'm loath to put him through another horrendous vet visit in his condition. Tomorrow morning I'm going to call an Internist that I've used before, one I trust, and beg her to help me. There must be something I can do without having to put him through another vet visit. I'm so relieved to have him home. Whatever is to be, we'll face it together.Nina

RE: HACKING???

2006-09-13 Thread catatonya

I agree it's probably only a hairball. Prayers coming for your father.tonyaChris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   
 Hairball hairball hairball. At some point, hell spit up this yuky looking hariball and go on his merry way. Dont worry..if hes eating and just going about his business, hell be fine. Concentrate on your dadthats the most pressing concern right now  Chris  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 12:03 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: HACKING???  Crackers has been hacking off and on all morning? it is like he is going to throw up but nothing comes out...he looks like he is trying to vomit but then when nothing comes out he like swallows drooll and walks away...he is breathing normal and normal behavioral...is this his first sign of sickness? usually when he would do that he'd just vomit...my dad is going for brain surgery to remove a clot and i am losing it here... any suggestions? or opinions? anyones abbies ever do this?kayte

Re: Cannot Diagnose Breathing Issue with Smokey

Check out Hideyo's posts about the at home oxygen tank.  Maybe something 
like that would help his breathing.  Could it be something like asthma, 
or some sort of allergy?  Has he gotten better on since you started the 
Dox?  Hemobart is hard to detect.  I'm not sure what cloudiness around 
his lungs indicates, if it's not fluid.  I seem to remember reading 
something about that recently, maybe someone else will chime in here 
with some suggestions.  I hate putting our babies through all these 
tests, all the expense, just to be told, we still don't know.  It's so 
frustrating.  Sending good thoughts and prayers your way,

Nina

Dee  Evan wrote:

Hi everyone.  Sorry I haven't been checking any of our messages 
lately. We are perplexed by Smokey's breathing issues.  We have had 
him to the vet 3-4 times in the past month trying to figure out what 
is going on.  We did another chest x-ray.  There is no fluid around 
his lungs but his lungs still look like fluffy cotton, maybe even a 
little worse at his last visit on 09/05/06.  Our vet sent blood work 
out to a lab to get several tests ran.  The results came back today.  
His RBC is at 5.92 so he has slight anemia.  His hematocrit is at 
37%.  But everything else was negative.  No infection, no bacteria, no 
fungal infection, everything came out clean.  It was even negative for 
the hemobart parasite.  I plan on finishing the Doxy regiment until at 
least the 21st though.  I am just worried sick over his breathing.  
Periodically he also has coughing fits.  I just don't know what to 
think.  The vet said the next step would be an ultrasound, especially 
of his heart.  I started him on Lysine last week.  I think he has 
gotten wise to it as he has stopped eating as much of his canned food 
that I put it in.  At least I am hoping that is the case  it is not 
because he doesn't want to eat now.  He still LOVES his chicken I feed 
him in the morning  evening.  We have a running tally of about $1,200 
to $1,300 so far and I am running out of resourse to fund this.  Any 
input, suggestions, or encouragement would be greatly appreciated at 
this point.  Thanks to everyone...you are a wonderful group of 
people.  All of your furbabies are in good hands.

~Dee

Re: I'm glad you're sitting down - Spencer - my vet's office called

Thanks Tonya.  It was nice to re-read my post about Spencer coming 
home.  I'd almost forgotten the terrible time we went through with him 
going missing.  No matter what happens, no matter what I decide, I'll 
always be grateful that he came back into my life and we've been given 
this wonderful extra time together.


My vet's assistant called a little while ago and told me that my 
questions wouldn't be answered over the phone.  The vet is insisting 
that I come in to discuss what tests might be run and what the 
ramifications would be.  So that means I have to haul Spencer in there, 
pay another consultation fee, just to have the info I need to make a 
decision.  I would also have to make the decision right then and there, 
or have to bring Spencer back again.  My mind is in such a fog.  I'm not 
sure I'm capable of making a decision about what to make for dinner, let 
alone how Spencer will spend the rest of the time he has left.  Pray for 
clarity please!

Nina


catatonya wrote:


Nina,
 
I'm glad Spencer came home.  I don't know what he's thinking, but I'm 
glad he decided he wants to be with you.  Maybe he just wanted a 
little gad about because he knows he's sick.  Thinking of you.

t

*/Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

You people are not going to believe this. Spencer has come home! I
can't believe it myself. He sauntered up while I was putting food out
for the ferals. For a second, I thought he was an apparition. I
had to
blink hard, he just seemed to be saying, hi Mom, like it was any
other
day. He looked so good, so bright and ALIVE! I ushered him inside and
he took a big long drink of water. I was thinking of what Leslie said
about her friend, I was thinking about miracles. When I came back
from
making his bed he was sprawled out on his side on the kitchen
floor. I
guess he must of used up a lot of his limited energy to make it home.
His only movement was that rapid breathing. All the other animals
were
hovering around him, sniffing him, nosing him, I don't think they can
believe it either.

I've gone through so many emotional contortions since yesterday
afternoon. I had finally resolved myself to the fact that he probably
wasn't coming back, and here he is. He's resting in the front room on
his bed, at least the dogs aren't allowed in there. Last time I
looked,
there were four cats lying close by, seemingly keeping him company.

I don't know if I wrote the group about this... The vet that was
on ER
duty when I brought Spence in called with the report from the
radiologist today. He suspects lymphoma, possibly a mass, possibly an
enlarged heart. I asked them, (at the time I didn't think he was
coming
back), if they would be able to prescribe something that would
possibly
put him into remission, or at the very least make him more
comfortable.
She told me that since the lymph node aspirate they attempted hadn't
been successful, they would have to do more tests. I'm loath to
put him
through another horrendous vet visit in his condition. Tomorrow
morning
I'm going to call an Internist that I've used before, one I trust,
and
beg her to help me. There must be something I can do without
having to
put him through another vet visit.

I'm so relieved to have him home. Whatever is to be, we'll face it
together.
Nina

RE: HACKING???