Re: Many to add to prayers

2007-04-10 Thread Gina WN
Prayers coming your way!
   
  Hugs,
  Gina

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi everyone,I need to ask for ALOT of prayers for a few of my sanctuary 
babies.
  Nathaniel,sweet handsome tiger and whit boy is terribly anemic and at Jens.
  Spencer,cute little tiger is a bit bloated and at tha clinic.
  Cassandra,sweet little black girl not eating well and a bit lethargig and is 
at the clinic.
  Camilla,crazy tortie seems to be coming down with something.
  Miller,sweet tiger seems under the weather.
  And Milton our new black and white handsome boy is coming down with something 
too.I TOTALLY fell in love with this boy tonight as soon as I seen his face. :)
  Sorry for the big list but you wonderful people have the power of good 
thoughts.
  Thank you soo much once AGAIN
  Sherry and her many furry friends

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Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch

2007-04-10 Thread Gina WN
Welcome Joe, you have come to the right place.  There are a lot of 
knowledgeable and caring people here.
   
  Gina

Joe Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Howdy all,

This is my first post to this list, thought I'd do a
bit of intro.

We had three cats in our family. The older two were
both castaways that were adopted as adults. Zoro was
the oldest and I adopted him from a co-worker when I
lived by myself. He died several years ago.

The remaining two were Stitch and Chewie. Chewie was
the next oldest. She had a really hard start to life,
she was originally found, as a stray by some friends
of ours. She was probably two or three at the time and
she had evidence of being abused - she had some
suspicious scars on her underside.

She lived with them for a while, very shy/nervous and
eventually came out of her shell. A couple years
later, they had to move, and couldn't take her with
them so we took her in. We had her for several years
as well and while we don't know her exact age, best
estimate put her at 8-10 years old when she died last
month.

She had a loss of appetite and started losing weight.
She had two trips to the Vet - after the first visit
she took a serious turn for the worse so we had her
back at the vet only a few days later. A blood test on
the second visit revealed that she had FelV. So,
considering she was very sick and was suffering from a
pretty serious disease we opted to put her to sleep
then. :(

I didn't know much about FelV then (and I'm still
learning about it), but information from both our Vet
and online resources I found indicated that it was
contagious so we decided to have our third (and
youngest) cat tested for it. Stitch is the only one we
got as a Kitten and she's about 3.5 years old.

I brought her to the vet this weekend and she tested
positive for FelV. :(

I do intend to learn as much as I can about the
disease so we can keep her with us as long as
possible. I know that it will eventually catch up to
her and our main thing will be to put that off as long
as possible. She's still young and healthy so
hopefully that'll be a long time still. :)

We had been planning to get a second cat, but we've
put that plan on hold now. I know it is possible to
inoculate against FelV, but given that the vaccine
takes a while to take effect, we'd either have to
quarantine the new cat until the vaccine took effect
or find it someplace else to live for a month or so,
and on top of all that I don't think we want to put
Stitch through the stress of another housemate at the
moment (she doesn't react well to strangers).

Thanks,

Joe





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Re: Many to add to prayers

2007-04-10 Thread PEC2851
Dear Sherry,
Boy, you certainly have been WAY too much.  My heart is breaking  for you 
[also in tears, AGAIN! A regular thing lately...].
And I know I've told you before, but I will pray for all your  fur-babies.
And, poor Laurel too
There's just too much sadness in this crazy world.
Hugs,

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Re: Some thoughts on Patti's post

2007-04-10 Thread PEC2851
Dede,
Sorry.I'm in Pa. now.  But I am a former New Yorker. LOVE that  
state, will always consider it home.
And, before my MVA, I made monthly visits there. Now, well, that seems  
to be out of the question, sadly.
{With all this going on, I seem to use sadly quite often).
And, NO, you're not crazy for giving a home to those fur-babies!  Only  wish 
there were more people like you.
Sounds like you have a few that are like some of mine  Charity,  the 
[once] feral only likes, trusts me.
She acts feral again whenever there is anyone else around. But with  
me, she's a regular love-muffin I really believe it's because when she 
led 
 me to poor 'ole Bart, she knew I'd take care of him And, I did Poor 
boy,  if he had trusted me sooner maybe we could have saved him.At least 
now he's  at peace  no longer in such pain
And as far as the personality disorders, I can relate to that all too  
well. Most of my babies are here just because of that.  I took them home  
because 
I couldn't stand to think of what would happen to them, even @ the  No-Kill 
shelter They needed a Mom..and that's me.
Where are you moving to?  I have many family in NY..
Best of luck in your endeavors.
Think positive,  All will be well.  I just know it.
Hugs,

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pungent urine

2007-04-10 Thread Melissa Lind
Cassidy, my new FeLV+, has very aromatic pee! I had to use clay litter
because he didn't understand the crystals, but even so, I think when I get
him switched to crystals, it will still be unbearable. Baking soda does not
cover this smell. He's been neutered, and he's not marking, it's just out of
his litter box. Is there anything I can feed him? Any product that could
help? I couldn't even sleep last night because our house is unreasonably
stinky! I love this guy, but I'm going to be embarrassed to let anyone over!
Even my husband, who works around manure every day, was sickened by the
smell!



Re: pungent urine

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

I would take him to the vet.  It may be a urinary tract infection.

Kelley

On 4/10/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Cassidy, my new FeLV+, has very aromatic pee! I had to use clay litter
because he didn't understand the crystals, but even so, I think when I get
him switched to crystals, it will still be unbearable. Baking soda does not
cover this smell. He's been neutered, and he's not marking, it's just out of
his litter box. Is there anything I can feed him? Any product that could
help? I couldn't even sleep last night because our house is unreasonably
stinky! I love this guy, but I'm going to be embarrassed to let anyone over!
Even my husband, who works around manure every day, was sickened by the
smell!



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Re: Mom cat neg/neg - chances of babies being pos?

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

Couldn't the mom catch it from the mating?  I am under the
understanding it can also be passed like FIV, through deep bite
wounds, etc.  But then the mom would be pos.  It is all very confusing
to me.

On 4/9/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

it was me just WONDERING if dads might have any impact on the status of the
babies, as sometimes that might be the only explanation another area
where research is needed but hasn't been possible in the past because the
test population was routinely killed.

MC


On 4/9/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not sure (no experience), but someone posted here not
 too long ago the possibility of the father being
 responsible for the positive FeLV status of kittens,
 which might explain why some are pos. out of a litter
 but some not.  How's that for a monkey wrench thrown
 into the mix?!!!

 :)
 Wendy

 --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi all,
 
  How likely are the babies to be pos, if the mom is
  neg?  I know that
  the babies can still turn neg if the mom is pos.  I
  will still have
  them tested, just want to know what your experience
  is.  Right now I
  have 2 litters with a neg/neg mom, and 3 litters
  with moms of unknown
  status.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Kelley
 
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Re: pungent urine

2007-04-10 Thread Marylyn
Try probiotics (health food store or order Fastrack).  Also have him checked 
for a UTI.  This is not natural. 





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and pity, you will have men who 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Melissa Lind 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:55 AM
  Subject: pungent urine


  Cassidy, my new FeLV+, has very aromatic pee! I had to use clay litter 
because he didn't understand the crystals, but even so, I think when I get him 
switched to crystals, it will still be unbearable. Baking soda does not cover 
this smell. He's been neutered, and he's not marking, it's just out of his 
litter box. Is there anything I can feed him? Any product that could help? I 
couldn't even sleep last night because our house is unreasonably stinky! I love 
this guy, but I'm going to be embarrassed to let anyone over! Even my husband, 
who works around manure every day, was sickened by the smell!


Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch

2007-04-10 Thread Joe Reil
 Welcome to the group. You came to the right place
 for more info! Something I just
 have to mention though, right off-hand, is the
 option to adopt another FELV+ cat!

Perhaps at some point, but not yet. :)

Thanks for the welcome, I've already gotten some
useful info and I'll be asking questions as soon as I
collect my thoughts and figure out what to ask! 
 
 anyways, so be sure your vet ISN'T. Other vaccines
 should be carefully reconsidered,
 and only given if the risk indicates it's required
 to protect the cat. Any vaccine
 causes stress to the immune system, and since FELV
 is an immune system virus, you
 want to try to keep it as STRONG as possible, and
 vaccines are a extra weight on an
 already compromised system. For those you do choose
 to continue to give, you should
 request a non-adjuvanted version of the vaccine, as
 it has less harmful, toxic, and
 carcinogenic ingredients than regular vaccines (yes,
 vaccines are VERY nasty things -
 most people don't realize).

Our vet seems to be good as they did go over this with
me. She did say there were some vaccines we may
consider and some we definitely shouldn't bother with.

Stitch is a 99% of the time indoor cat. The only time
we let her outside is with supervision, and even then
not very often.

 Outside of the vaccination issue, there's general
 health and immune system
 considerations. The VERY FIRST thing you need to
 evaluate is the food you are
 feeding. FELV+ cats require a very optimal diet, and
 this is highly varied depending
 on owner preferences, BUT, you should either be
 feeding a super-premium commercial
 cat food, such as Innova, Wellness, Chicken Soup for
 the Cat, or Felidae (just some
 good examples - I feed felidae or Innova dry and
 merrick or innova canned), or you
 can make your own homemade diet using a recipe found
 from a reputable source, OR, you
 can feed raw (also requires good recipes to obtain
 optimal nutritional balance).

I'll check these out. Any suggestions as to where I'd
find these? I have a small, but well stocked pet store
nearby, we also have a Petsmart about 45 minutes away.
If neither of these are workable, are there any good
web dealers selling these products? (I'll start with
the link from the bottom of your e-mail - anywhere
else I should be checking out?).

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Re: To Joe: Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch

2007-04-10 Thread Joe Reil
 Welcome to the group.  I'm really sorry to hear
 about
 Chewie and that Stitch has also tested positive for
 FeLV.

Thanks. :)

The best thing you can do for Stitch is to
 educate yourself on this virus. 

That's why I'm here. :)

 If Stitch is asymptomatic, there's not much else you
 can do, other than considering supplements for her
 immune system, like L-lysine (without propynol
 glycol)
 or Mega C.  And keep us bookmarked because this is
 the
 place to be for FeLV info.  Bless you for not pts
 this
 kitty and for taking such good care of her.

Thanks. I couldn't see putting her to sleep now -
she's still young, healthy and active. I've never
understood people who can do that so easily...  
Chewie was very obviously sick and was getting worse
rapidly so I think I made the right decision, but I'd
like to put that off for Stitch as long as possible.

 Take care and keep us posted on Stitch!

Will do!

Thanks,

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Re: pungent urine

2007-04-10 Thread Marylyn
You can mix the crystals with the clay--I do and it works pretty good.  Dixie 
gets the little round pearls in the pads of her paws so we are trying the 
chips.  Also consider using a Rubbermaid or knock off storage box for his 
litter box (no lid please).  I use the 18 gallon or larger ones and cut a 
u-shaped hole for the cat to walk in.  More room, less concentration and high 
walls for any difficulties hitting the litter.  I love them.  I started using 
them when Ebony was about 18 years old and was having trouble getting down.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:33 AM
  Subject: Re: pungent urine


  Try probiotics (health food store or order Fastrack).  Also have him checked 
for a UTI.  This is not natural. 





   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Melissa Lind 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:55 AM
Subject: pungent urine


Cassidy, my new FeLV+, has very aromatic pee! I had to use clay litter 
because he didn't understand the crystals, but even so, I think when I get him 
switched to crystals, it will still be unbearable. Baking soda does not cover 
this smell. He's been neutered, and he's not marking, it's just out of his 
litter box. Is there anything I can feed him? Any product that could help? I 
couldn't even sleep last night because our house is unreasonably stinky! I love 
this guy, but I'm going to be embarrassed to let anyone over! Even my husband, 
who works around manure every day, was sickened by the smell!


Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

I'll check these out. Any suggestions as to where I'd
find these? I have a small, but well stocked pet store
nearby, we also have a Petsmart about 45 minutes away.
If neither of these are workable, are there any good
web dealers selling these products? (I'll start with
the link from the bottom of your e-mail - anywhere
else I should be checking out?).




Hi Joe,

It is actually hard to find good food at PetSmart.  I buy my Felidae
at the feed store here in town.  We also have a local pet store that
sells most premium brands.  PetSmart sells a lot of foods that are
expensive, like Royal Canin, but not really very good.  Expensive food
doesn't necessarily equal good food.

I'm not sure what link was linked to you, but you can buy almost any
food at http://www.petfooddirect.com  Since you are only dealing with
one cat, you could buy a case of canned and it would last you a good
amount of time.

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Re: pungent urine

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

Marylyn,

What do you cut them with?

I went to a rescuer's house that had HUGE long skinny rectangular
rubbermaid type things as litter boxes.  I think the only problem
would be changing them out completely as they probably held several
hundred pounds of litter each.

I need to do something about my situation though.

Not nearly enough litterboxes for all my cats, and if I had the
recommended 1 litterbox per cat + 1 I'd have to have a whole room with
nothing but litterboxes in it.

On 4/10/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


You can mix the crystals with the clay--I do and it works pretty good.
Dixie gets the little round pearls in the pads of her paws so we are trying
the chips.  Also consider using a Rubbermaid or knock off storage box for
his litter box (no lid please).  I use the 18 gallon or larger ones and cut
a u-shaped hole for the cat to walk in.  More room, less concentration and
high walls for any difficulties hitting the litter.  I love them.  I started
using them when Ebony was about 18 years old and was having trouble getting
down.






 If you
have men who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the
shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal
likewise with their fellow man.

  St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: pungent urine

Try probiotics (health food store or order Fastrack).  Also have him checked
for a UTI.  This is not natural.





 If you
have men who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the
shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal
likewise with their fellow man.

  St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: Melissa Lind
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:55 AM
Subject: pungent urine



Cassidy, my new FeLV+, has very aromatic pee! I had to use clay litter
because he didn't understand the crystals, but even so, I think when I get
him switched to crystals, it will still be unbearable. Baking soda does not
cover this smell. He's been neutered, and he's not marking, it's just out of
his litter box. Is there anything I can feed him? Any product that could
help? I couldn't even sleep last night because our house is unreasonably
stinky! I love this guy, but I'm going to be embarrassed to let anyone over!
Even my husband, who works around manure every day, was sickened by the
smell!



--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Joey!
http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia



Re: pungent urine

2007-04-10 Thread Kat
Melissa, 

About how old is Cassidy?  I know you just had him neuterd - maybe the vet
accidentally released some male tom-cat hormones during the neutering.
Tom-cat urine oder is BEYOND strong!!  And it can take about 4 weeks for
the hormones to clear after surgery.  Give your vet a call and let him
know what it smell like.  It could just be a wait for the levels to drop
solution.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Melissa Lind wrote:

 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:55:27 -0500
 From: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: pungent urine
 
 Cassidy, my new FeLV+, has very aromatic pee! I had to use clay litter
 because he didn't understand the crystals, but even so, I think when I get
 him switched to crystals, it will still be unbearable. Baking soda does not
 cover this smell. He's been neutered, and he's not marking, it's just out of
 his litter box. Is there anything I can feed him? Any product that could
 help? I couldn't even sleep last night because our house is unreasonably
 stinky! I love this guy, but I'm going to be embarrassed to let anyone over!
 Even my husband, who works around manure every day, was sickened by the
 smell!
 
 




Re: pungent urine

2007-04-10 Thread Marylyn
The 18 gallon ones are easy to change out.  I just use a skill saw to cut 
the u-opening.  My cats have never been concerned about how neat it is. 
Evaluate the jumping ability of your cats to decide how high up the box you 
need to go.   Dixie is so athletic that I haven't cut a hole for her yet. 
My mother used to put a very heavy drum liner in her box then put the litter 
in it.  She thought it made the box easier to clean.  An idea.  I don't use 
one.


An after thought:  If you go this route consider leaving the RM boxes open 
and in the sun for a couple of days if they smell like plastic (depends on 
how the store kept them).  The odor can be a real turnoff for cats (and 
people).






If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: pungent urine



Marylyn,

What do you cut them with?

I went to a rescuer's house that had HUGE long skinny rectangular
rubbermaid type things as litter boxes.  I think the only problem
would be changing them out completely as they probably held several
hundred pounds of litter each.

I need to do something about my situation though.

Not nearly enough litterboxes for all my cats, and if I had the
recommended 1 litterbox per cat + 1 I'd have to have a whole room with
nothing but litterboxes in it.

On 4/10/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


You can mix the crystals with the clay--I do and it works pretty good.
Dixie gets the little round pearls in the pads of her paws so we are 
trying

the chips.  Also consider using a Rubbermaid or knock off storage box for
his litter box (no lid please).  I use the 18 gallon or larger ones and 
cut
a u-shaped hole for the cat to walk in.  More room, less concentration 
and
high walls for any difficulties hitting the litter.  I love them.  I 
started
using them when Ebony was about 18 years old and was having trouble 
getting

down.






 If you
have men who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the
shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal
likewise with their fellow man.

  St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: pungent urine

Try probiotics (health food store or order Fastrack).  Also have him 
checked

for a UTI.  This is not natural.





 If you
have men who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the
shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal
likewise with their fellow man.

  St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: Melissa Lind
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:55 AM
Subject: pungent urine



Cassidy, my new FeLV+, has very aromatic pee! I had to use clay litter
because he didn't understand the crystals, but even so, I think when I 
get
him switched to crystals, it will still be unbearable. Baking soda does 
not
cover this smell. He's been neutered, and he's not marking, it's just out 
of

his litter box. Is there anything I can feed him? Any product that could
help? I couldn't even sleep last night because our house is unreasonably
stinky! I love this guy, but I'm going to be embarrassed to let anyone 
over!

Even my husband, who works around manure every day, was sickened by the
smell!



--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Joey!
http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia






Re: To MC: Re: Mom cat neg/neg - chances of babies being pos?

2007-04-10 Thread Beth Noren

I've wondered about the possibility too  :o)  My kittens momma
tested Elisa negative when she was spayed, but one kitten tested
positive (elisa and IFA) at seven weeks, and a second one turned
positive at about 14 weeks.  I think that the momma was probably
the source and would have tested positive on IFA had we known
before releasing her, but the daddy is a possibility, as he did seem
to come around the brush pile where they were born quite a bit
before I caught them.

Beth





On 4/9/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


for me, possibility=wondering.  my apologies if i
offended you mc.  that certainly wasn't my intention.

:)
wendy


--- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 it was me just WONDERING if dads might have any
 impact on the status of the
 babies, as sometimes that might be the only
 explanation another area
 where research is needed but hasn't been possible in
 the past because the
 test population was routinely killed.

 MC

 On 4/9/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Not sure (no experience), but someone posted here
 not
  too long ago the possibility of the father being
  responsible for the positive FeLV status of
 kittens,
  which might explain why some are pos. out of a
 litter
  but some not.  How's that for a monkey wrench
 thrown
  into the mix?!!!
 
  :)
  Wendy
 
  --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Hi all,
  
   How likely are the babies to be pos, if the mom
 is
   neg?  I know that
   the babies can still turn neg if the mom is pos.
  I
   will still have
   them tested, just want to know what your
 experience
   is.  Right now I
   have 2 litters with a neg/neg mom, and 3 litters
   with moms of unknown
   status.
  
   Thanks,
  
   Kelley
  
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OT - ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

I am so frustrated with these people.  So, so frustrated.

I always have problems with my prescriptions there and they just
called and said Shimmers' and Toodles' meds would be $125 *each* this
time.  They were $10 each LAST MONTH.  I am thinking they have to have
the wrong prescription.  I'll learn how to compound Elavil myself
before I pay $125 for a month's supply!

I'm sure I will get this straight eventually, but in the meantime
Toodles, Shimmer, Sapphire and Joey are without their meds because
they need a credit card payment in advance for anything over
$100and I'm not paying $250 for Elavil.  For something lifesaving
sure, but not something to keep Shimmer and Toodles from spraying
everywhere.

Kelley

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Re: Mom cat neg/neg - chances of babies being pos?

2007-04-10 Thread Gussies mom
We had a feral mom at the shelter recently with 4 kittens. 2 kittens positive, 
2 kittens negative, mom negative. I guess there were 2 different dads. Mom was 
retested before being released.
   
  Beth

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Couldn't the mom catch it from the mating? I am under the
understanding it can also be passed like FIV, through deep bite
wounds, etc. But then the mom would be pos. It is all very confusing
to me.

On 4/9/07, TenHouseCats wrote:
 it was me just WONDERING if dads might have any impact on the status of the
 babies, as sometimes that might be the only explanation another area
 where research is needed but hasn't been possible in the past because the
 test population was routinely killed.

 MC


 On 4/9/07, wendy wrote:
  Not sure (no experience), but someone posted here not
  too long ago the possibility of the father being
  responsible for the positive FeLV status of kittens,
  which might explain why some are pos. out of a litter
  but some not. How's that for a monkey wrench thrown
  into the mix?!!!
 
  :)
  Wendy
 
  --- Kelley Saveika wrote:
 
   Hi all,
  
   How likely are the babies to be pos, if the mom is
   neg? I know that
   the babies can still turn neg if the mom is pos. I
   will still have
   them tested, just want to know what your experience
   is. Right now I
   have 2 litters with a neg/neg mom, and 3 litters
   with moms of unknown
   status.
  
   Thanks,
  
   Kelley
  
   --
   Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
  
   http://www.rescuties.org
  
   Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
  
   http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
  
   Please help Joey!
  
 
 http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
  
  
 
 
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Re: pungent urine

2007-04-10 Thread Gussies mom
We use them at the shelter, but we also use Feline Pine litter with a sifter 
to. The pine is much lighter. We have a room full of older boys that have 
trouble staying in a regular box.
   
  Beth

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Marylyn,

What do you cut them with?

I went to a rescuer's house that had HUGE long skinny rectangular
rubbermaid type things as litter boxes. I think the only problem
would be changing them out completely as they probably held several
hundred pounds of litter each.

I need to do something about my situation though.

Not nearly enough litterboxes for all my cats, and if I had the
recommended 1 litterbox per cat + 1 I'd have to have a whole room with
nothing but litterboxes in it.

On 4/10/07, Marylyn wrote:

 You can mix the crystals with the clay--I do and it works pretty good.
 Dixie gets the little round pearls in the pads of her paws so we are trying
 the chips. Also consider using a Rubbermaid or knock off storage box for
 his litter box (no lid please). I use the 18 gallon or larger ones and cut
 a u-shaped hole for the cat to walk in. More room, less concentration and
 high walls for any difficulties hitting the litter. I love them. I started
 using them when Ebony was about 18 years old and was having trouble getting
 down.






 If you
 have men who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the
 shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal
 likewise with their fellow man.

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 - Original Message -
 From: Marylyn
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:33 AM
 Subject: Re: pungent urine

 Try probiotics (health food store or order Fastrack). Also have him checked
 for a UTI. This is not natural.





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 shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal
 likewise with their fellow man.

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 - Original Message -
 From: Melissa Lind
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:55 AM
 Subject: pungent urine



 Cassidy, my new FeLV+, has very aromatic pee! I had to use clay litter
 because he didn't understand the crystals, but even so, I think when I get
 him switched to crystals, it will still be unbearable. Baking soda does not
 cover this smell. He's been neutered, and he's not marking, it's just out of
 his litter box. Is there anything I can feed him? Any product that could
 help? I couldn't even sleep last night because our house is unreasonably
 stinky! I love this guy, but I'm going to be embarrassed to let anyone over!
 Even my husband, who works around manure every day, was sickened by the
 smell!


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Re: Mom cat neg/neg - chances of babies being pos?

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

Did the kittens get retested?

This scares me because a lot of rescues test one kitten per litter only.

My standard of care is to test all kittens.  Then isolate (ha! in my
house?) and retest later if pos.

On 4/10/07, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We had a feral mom at the shelter recently with 4 kittens. 2 kittens
positive, 2 kittens negative, mom negative. I guess there were 2 different
dads. Mom was retested before being released.

Beth

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Couldn't the mom catch it from the mating? I am under the
understanding it can also be passed like FIV, through deep bite
wounds, etc. But then the mom would be pos. It is all very confusing
to me.

On 4/9/07, TenHouseCats wrote:
 it was me just WONDERING if dads might have any impact on the status of
the
 babies, as sometimes that might be the only explanation another area
 where research is needed but hasn't been possible in the past because the
 test population was routinely killed.

 MC


 On 4/9/07, wendy wrote:
  Not sure (no experience), but someone posted here not
  too long ago the possibility of the father being
  responsible for the positive FeLV status of kittens,
  which might explain why some are pos. out of a litter
  but some not. How's that for a monkey wrench thrown
  into the mix?!!!
 
  :)
  Wendy
 
  --- Kelley Saveika wrote:
 
   Hi all,
  
   How likely are the babies to be pos, if the mom is
   neg? I know that
   the babies can still turn neg if the mom is pos. I
   will still have
   them tested, just want to know what your experience
   is. Right now I
   have 2 litters with a neg/neg mom, and 3 litters
   with moms of unknown
   status.
  
   Thanks,
  
   Kelley
  
   --
   Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
  
   http://www.rescuties.org
  
   Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
  
   http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
  
   Please help Joey!
  
 

http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
  
  
 
 
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 change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has!
 
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Re: To MC: Re: Mom cat neg/neg - chances of babies being pos?

2007-04-10 Thread Beth Noren

Sorry, meant to send that to the list and sent it direct to you instead.
Hope your having
a wonderful morning and that your friendly old orange boy is sitting up on
the table, enjoying
a patch of this wonderful sunshine...

:o)
Beth


On 4/10/07, Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I've wondered about the possibility too  :o)  My kittens momma
tested Elisa negative when she was spayed, but one kitten tested
positive (elisa and IFA) at seven weeks, and a second one turned
positive at about 14 weeks.  I think that the momma was probably
the source and would have tested positive on IFA had we known
before releasing her, but the daddy is a possibility, as he did seem
to come around the brush pile where they were born quite a bit
before I caught them.

Beth





On 4/9/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 for me, possibility=wondering.  my apologies if i
 offended you mc.  that certainly wasn't my intention.

 :)
 wendy


 --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  it was me just WONDERING if dads might have any
  impact on the status of the
  babies, as sometimes that might be the only
  explanation another area
  where research is needed but hasn't been possible in
  the past because the
  test population was routinely killed.
 
  MC
 
  On 4/9/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Not sure (no experience), but someone posted here
  not
   too long ago the possibility of the father being
   responsible for the positive FeLV status of
  kittens,
   which might explain why some are pos. out of a
  litter
   but some not.  How's that for a monkey wrench
  thrown
   into the mix?!!!
  
   :)
   Wendy
  
   --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Hi all,
   
How likely are the babies to be pos, if the mom
  is
neg?  I know that
the babies can still turn neg if the mom is pos.
   I
will still have
them tested, just want to know what your
  experience
is.  Right now I
have 2 litters with a neg/neg mom, and 3 litters
with moms of unknown
status.
   
Thanks,
   
Kelley
   
--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
   
http://www.rescuties.org
   
Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
   
http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
   
Please help Joey!
   
  
 
 http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
   
   
  
  
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   change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that
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RE: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch

2007-04-10 Thread Melissa Lind
Hi Joe!

 

I'm also very new to this list, but I'm in love with it and everyone here is
so very supportive. I'm learning a lot about FeLV too. I rescued three cats
last week (well, three found me). But, one, our beautiful Cassidy is FeLV+.
The rest are negative, as are the three permanent cats we have in our house.
Cassidy is currently camped out in our office room to protect the others.
Many people on here have had successful mixing of FeLV positives and
negatives, but I'm not prepared to do that since our youngest (less than one
year) is most susceptible at this age.

 

I don't know where you live, but Cassidy is the most beautiful, friendly,
loving cat! He's probably less than one year old, or around there. Here's
his picture:

 

http://picasaweb.google.com/mzurovsk/Cassidy/photo?authkey=Iq5dHa-Vucs#50501
79613677810130

 

I'm trying to find an FeLV positive home for him. Some day I'd like to have
a shelter with plenty of room for positives, but right now we don't have the
resources. If you'd like him, or if you know of a good home for him, please
let me know! I want to keep him so badly, he's stole my heart, but it's just
not fair to keep him in one room forever. He's super healthy-better than one
of the negatives I rescued last week. He talks constantly-but not
annoyingly-and I understand his pungent urine will be subsiding as soon as
his hormones are out of his system. He's only newly neutered. And he loves
to bite at the letters as I type on the computer-so cute! A very good office
buddy and helper.

 

Best of luck with your new quest on educating yourself on FeLV. There's so
much to learn as I've found out this past week! But, the people here are so
helpful and understanding-I'm so glad you've found this resource as well!

 

Best Wishes,

Melissa



Re: Laurel Please add to CLS

2007-04-10 Thread Melissa Lind
Sherry, I'm thinking of you right now! I hope all goes well! Here's the
email I got from a shelter about Cassidy:

 

I spoke with the director of the humane society and he has declined to
accept Cassidy. It is his opinion that, unfortunately, he needs to be put
down.

 

I couldn't believe such insensitive advice! I had emailed them before I
realized how the shelters were around here-not very caring for FeLV cats.
I'm so happy there are people like you who ignore what others say and take
care of the FeLV babies! Cassidy is healthy and very athletic-no reason to
put him down now! So, stay strong! I'm very new to this, but I feel like I
understand you guys already!

 

And I'm glad to hear the good news about Laurel!

 

Hugs and Prayers,

Melissa



Re: CLS - Jacksonville FL shelter cats

2007-04-10 Thread Tad Burnett

Do we know for a fact that Scooter, the FeLV+ kitty was gone ??
I heard that some unknown number of animals were in foster homes...
I suppose the office files were all lost...
But I was hopping that this unlucky kitty got a bit of good luck and was
isolated from neg. kitties by being in a foster home...
Tad

Gina WN wrote:

Those poor babies.  I looked at every picture and name.  Sending my 
love and prayers to them.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Jacksonville FL Humane Society memorial page:
http://ucat.us/JacksonvilleMemorial/ 
 
Please take a few moments to add them to your thoughts during

tomorrow's Candlelight Service. Scooter, one cat shown, was FELV+,
most were not (maybe when they rebuild they will have a wing
dedicated to Scooter for the FELV+ cats). A couple of dogs were
lost as well, from reports at their website, and 5 cats were able
to be rescued, I do not know if they are any shown on the memorial
page. Please remember, MANY animals that end up in shelters were
previously someone's pet, and this tragedy will certainly effect
those owners who had to give up their cat to this shelter. This
was a no-kill shelter.
 
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Nonie is the name

2007-04-10 Thread Melissa Lind
Hi all, I know that my third rescue cat in a week was not FeLV+, but I just
thought I'd let you know that she has a name! She must have let the girls at
the vet's office know her name this weekend-Nonie is what they've named her,
and it fits! What a relief for me as I just couldn't find the right name!
I'm working on putting out flyers now in case she is somebody's baby. But,
for now, she and Ashley are getting to know each other in the garage. I
think Ashley was a little upset that her home was being invaded! But, I hope
they'll become snuggle-buddies in a few days. For now I'll keep an eye on
them since Ashley is scrawny and Nonie is strong. But, Ashley seems to be
standing her ground-not giving up her comfy bed!

 

A side note, Cassidy, our FeLV+, almost escaped out the window just now! I
was busy typing, not paying attention, and he had clawed a hole in the
screen and was half-way out! Good thing he didn't do that when I was gone.
And luckily he didn't get hurt or scratched by the screen-it's old and soft.
I could have lost him for good, and who knows how many other cats he could
have infected! The bad news is that now I can't open the window in here-and
it's super stinky as I've mentioned before-that's probably why he wanted
out! I'm working on integrating the crystal litter-it's clearly just the
hormones left over-a very distinct tom-cat smell. He has no trouble peeing
like my other cat has had with a UTI; plus the food I feed them is designed
to neutralize (I think that's the word the vet used) their urine to prevent
UTIs, which my Bandit is very prone to-or more to the point, his urine turns
crystal-like and blocks up. This food prevents that (but doesn't treat it).
He hasn't had any problems since the new food was introduced. My vet's
office said the same thing as several of you did-it'll take probably 4 weeks
for the smell to subside. Lucky me! But, now, poor Cassidy can't hear the
birds or smell the fresh air! Even if I get the screen replaced, he'll still
be able to chew through it! Any advice for indestructible screens? The poor
guy is so used to being outside, he just wants to go chase the birdies,
bunnies, squirrels! I've tried to tell him that it's best for him to be
inside, but he just doesn't listen!

 

Melissa



RE: Nonie is the name

2007-04-10 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane
I'm glad Cassidy didn't get to make a break for it!  But, can't you open
the window just a crack, prop it with a little piece of wood or
something, just to let the air and birdsong in, but not enough for
Cassidy to get to the screen?  We do that all the time around here.  Oh,
and welcome Nonie, what a cute name.
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melissa Lind
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Nonie is the name



Hi all, I know that my third rescue cat in a week was not FeLV+, but I
just thought I'd let you know that she has a name! She must have let the
girls at the vet's office know her name this weekend-Nonie is what
they've named her, and it fits! What a relief for me as I just couldn't
find the right name! I'm working on putting out flyers now in case she
is somebody's baby. But, for now, she and Ashley are getting to know
each other in the garage. I think Ashley was a little upset that her
home was being invaded! But, I hope they'll become snuggle-buddies in a
few days. For now I'll keep an eye on them since Ashley is scrawny and
Nonie is strong. But, Ashley seems to be standing her ground-not giving
up her comfy bed!

 

A side note, Cassidy, our FeLV+, almost escaped out the window just now!
I was busy typing, not paying attention, and he had clawed a hole in the
screen and was half-way out! Good thing he didn't do that when I was
gone. And luckily he didn't get hurt or scratched by the screen-it's old
and soft.  I could have lost him for good, and who knows how many other
cats he could have infected! The bad news is that now I can't open the
window in here-and it's super stinky as I've mentioned before-that's
probably why he wanted out! I'm working on integrating the crystal
litter-it's clearly just the hormones left over-a very distinct tom-cat
smell. He has no trouble peeing like my other cat has had with a UTI;
plus the food I feed them is designed to neutralize (I think that's the
word the vet used) their urine to prevent UTIs, which my Bandit is very
prone to-or more to the point, his urine turns crystal-like and blocks
up. This food prevents that (but doesn't treat it).  He hasn't had any
problems since the new food was introduced. My vet's office said the
same thing as several of you did-it'll take probably 4 weeks for the
smell to subside. Lucky me! But, now, poor Cassidy can't hear the birds
or smell the fresh air! Even if I get the screen replaced, he'll still
be able to chew through it! Any advice for indestructible screens? The
poor guy is so used to being outside, he just wants to go chase the
birdies, bunnies, squirrels! I've tried to tell him that it's best for
him to be inside, but he just doesn't listen!

 

Melissa


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Re: OT - ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Kelly L

At 06:08 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:


been Here?


http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=elavilbysearch=ok


I am so frustrated with these people.  So, so frustrated.

I always have problems with my prescriptions there and they just
called and said Shimmers' and Toodles' meds would be $125 *each* this
time.  They were $10 each LAST MONTH.  I am thinking they have to have
the wrong prescription.  I'll learn how to compound Elavil myself
before I pay $125 for a month's supply!

I'm sure I will get this straight eventually, but in the meantime
Toodles, Shimmer, Sapphire and Joey are without their meds because
they need a credit card payment in advance for anything over
$100and I'm not paying $250 for Elavil.  For something lifesaving
sure, but not something to keep Shimmer and Toodles from spraying
everywhere.

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Re: pungent urine

2007-04-10 Thread Nina
I was thinking the same thing.  Intact Tom cat urine is very, um, 
powerful.  How long ago was Cassidy neutered?

Nina

Kat wrote:
Melissa, 


About how old is Cassidy?  I know you just had him neuterd - maybe the vet
accidentally released some male tom-cat hormones during the neutering.
Tom-cat urine oder is BEYOND strong!!  And it can take about 4 weeks for
the hormones to clear after surgery.  Give your vet a call and let him
know what it smell like.  It could just be a wait for the levels to drop
solution.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Melissa Lind wrote:

  

Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:55:27 -0500
From: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: pungent urine

Cassidy, my new FeLV+, has very aromatic pee! I had to use clay litter
because he didn't understand the crystals, but even so, I think when I get
him switched to crystals, it will still be unbearable. Baking soda does not
cover this smell. He's been neutered, and he's not marking, it's just out of
his litter box. Is there anything I can feed him? Any product that could
help? I couldn't even sleep last night because our house is unreasonably
stinky! I love this guy, but I'm going to be embarrassed to let anyone over!
Even my husband, who works around manure every day, was sickened by the
smell!








  





Re: Nonie is the name

2007-04-10 Thread Nina
For cat proof screens you can use the protective grates they sell for 
the bottom half of screen doors. You could also buy a sheet of plastic 
lattice and cut to fit the opening of the window. If the lattice 
prevents the window from closing you could use double stick velcro and 
place the lattice over the screen when the window is open.


Welcome Nonie!
Nina

Melissa Lind wrote:


Hi all, I know that my third rescue cat in a week was not FeLV+, but I 
just thought I’d let you know that she has a name! She must have let 
the girls at the vet’s office know her name this weekend—Nonie is what 
they’ve named her, and it fits! What a relief for me as I just 
couldn’t find the right name! I’m working on putting out flyers now in 
case she is somebody’s baby. But, for now, she and Ashley are getting 
to know each other in the garage. I think Ashley was a little upset 
that her home was being invaded! But, I hope they’ll become 
snuggle-buddies in a few days. For now I’ll keep an eye on them since 
Ashley is scrawny and Nonie is strong. But, Ashley seems to be 
standing her ground—not giving up her comfy bed!


A side note, Cassidy, our FeLV+, almost escaped out the window just 
now! I was busy typing, not paying attention, and he had clawed a hole 
in the screen and was half-way out! Good thing he didn’t do that when 
I was gone. And luckily he didn’t get hurt or scratched by the 
screen—it’s old and soft. I could have lost him for good, and who 
knows how many other cats he could have infected! The bad news is that 
now I can’t open the window in here—and it’s super stinky as I’ve 
mentioned before—that’s probably why he wanted out! I’m working on 
integrating the crystal litter—it’s clearly just the hormones left 
over—a very distinct tom-cat smell. He has no trouble peeing like my 
other cat has had with a UTI; plus the food I feed them is designed to 
neutralize (I think that’s the word the vet used) their urine to 
prevent UTIs, which my Bandit is very prone to—or more to the point, 
his urine turns crystal-like and blocks up. This food prevents that 
(but doesn’t treat it). He hasn’t had any problems since the new food 
was introduced. My vet’s office said the same thing as several of you 
did—it’ll take probably 4 weeks for the smell to subside. Lucky me! 
But, now, poor Cassidy can’t hear the birds or smell the fresh air! 
Even if I get the screen replaced, he’ll still be able to chew through 
it! Any advice for indestructible screens? The poor guy is so used to 
being outside, he just wants to go chase the birdies, bunnies, 
squirrels! I’ve tried to tell him that it’s best for him to be inside, 
but he just doesn’t listen!


Melissa







Re: OT - ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

Yes, but I *have* to have it compounded.  I can force pills down him
if needed for a short time for infection, but it is stressful for him
and this is something he will need to take for the rest of his life to
prevent spraying (He initially had a urinary tract infection but it
has been treated and cured - he's had 4 urinalyses, including the one
sent out to the lab, and it is definitely behavioral spraying at this
point).  Causing him greater anxiety by pilling him doesn't help his
stress nor his spraying.

I have ordered from that company you link, but if I have to have
something soon I can't order from them.  I have found them to take a
very long time to get here, then they send it registered so I have to
find time to actually go to the post office when they are open and get
it.  So if I have someone who is actually sick right now I can't use
it.

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At 06:08 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:


been Here?


http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=elavilbysearch=ok

I am so frustrated with these people.  So, so frustrated.

I always have problems with my prescriptions there and they just
called and said Shimmers' and Toodles' meds would be $125 *each* this
time.  They were $10 each LAST MONTH.  I am thinking they have to have
the wrong prescription.  I'll learn how to compound Elavil myself
before I pay $125 for a month's supply!

I'm sure I will get this straight eventually, but in the meantime
Toodles, Shimmer, Sapphire and Joey are without their meds because
they need a credit card payment in advance for anything over
$100and I'm not paying $250 for Elavil.  For something lifesaving
sure, but not something to keep Shimmer and Toodles from spraying
everywhere.

Kelley

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Re: OT - ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Kelly L

At 08:25 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:



It should not be too hard, depending upon the size of the pill. As 
long as the Elavil can be broken in half or 1/4. it is pretty easy. 
How many mgs a day is he on,

Different medications have various methods,
A very bright person has passed on the information for FLAGLY which 
tasts worse than anythin imaginable...Susan was taught to get the 
correct dosage,,mix with pancake syrupe,

When i do my anitboticc I crush and mix with baby food and syringe it,
tuna juice workI do it in the smallest possible amount,
Also if it keeps for 2 days in the refrigerator ..let's say the pill 
is 100 mgs and you need to give 10 mgs, Well you can't cut it into 
10ths but if you mix it with 5cc of liquid...and make sure it is 
completely dosolved than each 1/2 cc is your 10 mgs,,,

that is just an example,
the important thing is how long it keeps once diluted and can it be 
crushed and diluted or is it a time release,,

find a good pharmacist to check that out,
Kelly




Yes, but I *have* to have it compounded.  I can force pills down him
if needed for a short time for infection, but it is stressful for him
and this is something he will need to take for the rest of his life to
prevent spraying (He initially had a urinary tract infection but it
has been treated and cured - he's had 4 urinalyses, including the one
sent out to the lab, and it is definitely behavioral spraying at this
point).  Causing him greater anxiety by pilling him doesn't help his
stress nor his spraying.

I have ordered from that company you link, but if I have to have
something soon I can't order from them.  I have found them to take a
very long time to get here, then they send it registered so I have to
find time to actually go to the post office when they are open and get
it.  So if I have someone who is actually sick right now I can't use
it.

On 4/10/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 06:08 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:


been Here?


http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=elavilbysearch=ok

I am so frustrated with these people.  So, so frustrated.

I always have problems with my prescriptions there and they just
called and said Shimmers' and Toodles' meds would be $125 *each* this
time.  They were $10 each LAST MONTH.  I am thinking they have to have
the wrong prescription.  I'll learn how to compound Elavil myself
before I pay $125 for a month's supply!

I'm sure I will get this straight eventually, but in the meantime
Toodles, Shimmer, Sapphire and Joey are without their meds because
they need a credit card payment in advance for anything over
$100and I'm not paying $250 for Elavil.  For something lifesaving
sure, but not something to keep Shimmer and Toodles from spraying
everywhere.

Kelley

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RE: pungent urine

2007-04-10 Thread Melissa Lind
Thanks Nina!

 

Cassidy is about one year old and he just got neutered last week-so I assume
it will be a while before the smell dies down. My husband is not a happy man
today since he didn't get much sleep last night what with our baby Smokey
running around all night and bringing all kinds of toys and treasures into
our bed and Cassidy's smell which was overpowering to say the least. Poor
thing is just staring out the window. I just propped it open a little with
your advice, but I'll get the lattice work-what a great idea! I'm not very
good at visualizing things like that-so thanks! I'll keep my eye on the
window for the time being!

Melissa



RE: OT-ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Melissa Lind
Kelly, sorry to hear about your troubles! I give my Bandit (10 years)
fluoxitine (Prozac) from the vet's office-half a pill per day. It stopped
his spraying from anxiety immediately and only costs me around $6.00 per
month. His behavior otherwise is fine-not dopey or sluggish. However, I'm
not an expert by any means-but that might work for you! Melissa



Re: OT - ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Nina

Kelley,
I'd call the vet that wrote the script.  They should be able to either 
help you straighten out the pricing/wrong script problem, or tell you 
where else to order it from.  I'd also call local human pharmacies in 
your area and ask the pharmacist to recommend a local compounding 
pharmacy.  I usually get my compounded meds in the mail from a couple 
states away, but when I'm in a hurry I have one within driving distance 
that I use.  Try not to stress too much, you'll get the meds you need 
for your pee happy friend.


What have you done to try and work with him, (what's his name?) 
behaviorally to curb his spraying?  I'm betting you've tried lots of 
things.  Don't give up hope that he will continue to spray forever.  I 
can't tell you how many times I've thought a behavioral issue would 
never resolve, but given lots of time, imagination, and patience things 
do eventually work themselves out.

Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:

Yes, but I *have* to have it compounded.  I can force pills down him
if needed for a short time for infection, but it is stressful for him
and this is something he will need to take for the rest of his life to
prevent spraying (He initially had a urinary tract infection but it
has been treated and cured - he's had 4 urinalyses, including the one
sent out to the lab, and it is definitely behavioral spraying at this
point).  Causing him greater anxiety by pilling him doesn't help his
stress nor his spraying.

I have ordered from that company you link, but if I have to have
something soon I can't order from them.  I have found them to take a
very long time to get here, then they send it registered so I have to
find time to actually go to the post office when they are open and get
it.  So if I have someone who is actually sick right now I can't use
it.

On 4/10/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 06:08 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:


been Here?


http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=elavilbysearch=ok

I am so frustrated with these people.  So, so frustrated.

I always have problems with my prescriptions there and they just
called and said Shimmers' and Toodles' meds would be $125 *each* this
time.  They were $10 each LAST MONTH.  I am thinking they have to have
the wrong prescription.  I'll learn how to compound Elavil myself
before I pay $125 for a month's supply!

I'm sure I will get this straight eventually, but in the meantime
Toodles, Shimmer, Sapphire and Joey are without their meds because
they need a credit card payment in advance for anything over
$100and I'm not paying $250 for Elavil.  For something lifesaving
sure, but not something to keep Shimmer and Toodles from spraying
everywhere.

Kelley

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Re: OT - ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

I actually tried the compounded liquid elavil before I tried the
transdermal.  He would start running from me as soon as he saw me.
Triple fish too.  Sigh.  (The transdermal is cheaper actually.  We got
it straight.  For some reason they wrote it for *30* syringes).  Which
is like a year's worth, but it doesn't last that long.

Kelley

On 4/10/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 08:25 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:



It should not be too hard, depending upon the size of the pill. As
long as the Elavil can be broken in half or 1/4. it is pretty easy.
How many mgs a day is he on,
Different medications have various methods,
A very bright person has passed on the information for FLAGLY which
tasts worse than anythin imaginable...Susan was taught to get the
correct dosage,,mix with pancake syrupe,
When i do my anitboticc I crush and mix with baby food and syringe it,
tuna juice workI do it in the smallest possible amount,
Also if it keeps for 2 days in the refrigerator ..let's say the pill
is 100 mgs and you need to give 10 mgs, Well you can't cut it into
10ths but if you mix it with 5cc of liquid...and make sure it is
completely dosolved than each 1/2 cc is your 10 mgs,,,
that is just an example,
the important thing is how long it keeps once diluted and can it be
crushed and diluted or is it a time release,,
find a good pharmacist to check that out,
Kelly



Yes, but I *have* to have it compounded.  I can force pills down him
if needed for a short time for infection, but it is stressful for him
and this is something he will need to take for the rest of his life to
prevent spraying (He initially had a urinary tract infection but it
has been treated and cured - he's had 4 urinalyses, including the one
sent out to the lab, and it is definitely behavioral spraying at this
point).  Causing him greater anxiety by pilling him doesn't help his
stress nor his spraying.

I have ordered from that company you link, but if I have to have
something soon I can't order from them.  I have found them to take a
very long time to get here, then they send it registered so I have to
find time to actually go to the post office when they are open and get
it.  So if I have someone who is actually sick right now I can't use
it.

On 4/10/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 06:08 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:


been Here?


http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=elavilbysearch=ok

 I am so frustrated with these people.  So, so frustrated.
 
 I always have problems with my prescriptions there and they just
 called and said Shimmers' and Toodles' meds would be $125 *each* this
 time.  They were $10 each LAST MONTH.  I am thinking they have to have
 the wrong prescription.  I'll learn how to compound Elavil myself
 before I pay $125 for a month's supply!
 
 I'm sure I will get this straight eventually, but in the meantime
 Toodles, Shimmer, Sapphire and Joey are without their meds because
 they need a credit card payment in advance for anything over
 $100and I'm not paying $250 for Elavil.  For something lifesaving
 sure, but not something to keep Shimmer and Toodles from spraying
 everywhere.
 
 Kelley
 
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Re: pungent urine

2007-04-10 Thread Nina
You know Melissa, you got me thinking when you mentioned Cassidy staring 
out the window like that. I wonder if there is a cat coming around that 
he can see out the window. Is he hitting the litterbox, or is he 
spraying the walls with his perfume? One of my sister's friends was 
threatening to throw her declawed cat outside because she wasn't using 
her box. After a little discussion I learned that there was a cat coming 
around outside and her inside high strung kitty was terrified. I had her 
shut the blinds on that side of the house, add a couple more litterboxes 
and give her little girl extra attention. Sure enough, her kitty calmed 
down and started using her box again.

Nina

Melissa Lind wrote:


Thanks Nina!

Cassidy is about one year old and he just got neutered last week—so I 
assume it will be a while before the smell dies down. My husband is 
not a happy man today since he didn’t get much sleep last night what 
with our baby Smokey running around all night and bringing all kinds 
of toys and treasures into our bed and Cassidy’s smell which was 
overpowering to say the least. Poor thing is just staring out the 
window. I just propped it open a little with your advice, but I’ll get 
the lattice work—what a great idea! I’m not very good at visualizing 
things like that—so thanks! I’ll keep my eye on the window for the 
time being!


Melissa







Re: OT - ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

Lets see Nina.

What have I tried (I have at least two sprayers that I know of.  Then
there is whoever is peeing in my bed (I have plastic cover on it, but
at least every other day I have to strip it and bleach the sheets.
Depends if they have peed on it that day).

I have tried Feliway.  Did NOTHING whatsoever.

Tried extra attention.

Not sure what else to try, to be honest.  If I had the recommended #
of litterboxes I'd have to have 31, and I don't have room for 31.  He
has urinated everywhere, including my ankle one day.  I clean up the
pee trails going up and down the walls every couple of days.  I have
had an offer to help me rip up the carpet so I will have concrete
floors like every other rescuer I know.   She likes to get on top of
the stove and spray the backsplash.  Toodles never had a UTI, she was
checked and her urine was clear.  I'm trying to find her a foster home
with fewer cats.

He is on Elavil only, she is on Elavil plus pain meds for her
congenital spinal disorder.



On 4/10/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kelley,
I'd call the vet that wrote the script.  They should be able to either
help you straighten out the pricing/wrong script problem, or tell you
where else to order it from.  I'd also call local human pharmacies in
your area and ask the pharmacist to recommend a local compounding
pharmacy.  I usually get my compounded meds in the mail from a couple
states away, but when I'm in a hurry I have one within driving distance
that I use.  Try not to stress too much, you'll get the meds you need
for your pee happy friend.

What have you done to try and work with him, (what's his name?)
behaviorally to curb his spraying?  I'm betting you've tried lots of
things.  Don't give up hope that he will continue to spray forever.  I
can't tell you how many times I've thought a behavioral issue would
never resolve, but given lots of time, imagination, and patience things
do eventually work themselves out.
Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:
 Yes, but I *have* to have it compounded.  I can force pills down him
 if needed for a short time for infection, but it is stressful for him
 and this is something he will need to take for the rest of his life to
 prevent spraying (He initially had a urinary tract infection but it
 has been treated and cured - he's had 4 urinalyses, including the one
 sent out to the lab, and it is definitely behavioral spraying at this
 point).  Causing him greater anxiety by pilling him doesn't help his
 stress nor his spraying.

 I have ordered from that company you link, but if I have to have
 something soon I can't order from them.  I have found them to take a
 very long time to get here, then they send it registered so I have to
 find time to actually go to the post office when they are open and get
 it.  So if I have someone who is actually sick right now I can't use
 it.

 On 4/10/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 06:08 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:


 been Here?


 http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=elavilbysearch=ok

 I am so frustrated with these people.  So, so frustrated.
 
 I always have problems with my prescriptions there and they just
 called and said Shimmers' and Toodles' meds would be $125 *each* this
 time.  They were $10 each LAST MONTH.  I am thinking they have to have
 the wrong prescription.  I'll learn how to compound Elavil myself
 before I pay $125 for a month's supply!
 
 I'm sure I will get this straight eventually, but in the meantime
 Toodles, Shimmer, Sapphire and Joey are without their meds because
 they need a credit card payment in advance for anything over
 $100and I'm not paying $250 for Elavil.  For something lifesaving
 sure, but not something to keep Shimmer and Toodles from spraying
 everywhere.
 
 Kelley
 
 --
 Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
 
 http://www.rescuties.org
 
 Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
 
 http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
 
 Please help Joey!
 http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
 
 
 
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Re: OT - ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

Really if I want it to stop, I think what I would need to do is stop
rescuing, and I just can't do that.  And he's my personal cat, so I
can't give him up. He's just very very pissed (pardon the expression)
and letting me know it.  The Elavil helps..a little.

On 4/10/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Lets see Nina.

What have I tried (I have at least two sprayers that I know of.  Then
there is whoever is peeing in my bed (I have plastic cover on it, but
at least every other day I have to strip it and bleach the sheets.
Depends if they have peed on it that day).

I have tried Feliway.  Did NOTHING whatsoever.

Tried extra attention.

Not sure what else to try, to be honest.  If I had the recommended #
of litterboxes I'd have to have 31, and I don't have room for 31.  He
has urinated everywhere, including my ankle one day.  I clean up the
pee trails going up and down the walls every couple of days.  I have
had an offer to help me rip up the carpet so I will have concrete
floors like every other rescuer I know.   She likes to get on top of
the stove and spray the backsplash.  Toodles never had a UTI, she was
checked and her urine was clear.  I'm trying to find her a foster home
with fewer cats.

He is on Elavil only, she is on Elavil plus pain meds for her
congenital spinal disorder.



On 4/10/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Kelley,
 I'd call the vet that wrote the script.  They should be able to either
 help you straighten out the pricing/wrong script problem, or tell you
 where else to order it from.  I'd also call local human pharmacies in
 your area and ask the pharmacist to recommend a local compounding
 pharmacy.  I usually get my compounded meds in the mail from a couple
 states away, but when I'm in a hurry I have one within driving distance
 that I use.  Try not to stress too much, you'll get the meds you need
 for your pee happy friend.

 What have you done to try and work with him, (what's his name?)
 behaviorally to curb his spraying?  I'm betting you've tried lots of
 things.  Don't give up hope that he will continue to spray forever.  I
 can't tell you how many times I've thought a behavioral issue would
 never resolve, but given lots of time, imagination, and patience things
 do eventually work themselves out.
 Nina

 Kelley Saveika wrote:
  Yes, but I *have* to have it compounded.  I can force pills down him
  if needed for a short time for infection, but it is stressful for him
  and this is something he will need to take for the rest of his life to
  prevent spraying (He initially had a urinary tract infection but it
  has been treated and cured - he's had 4 urinalyses, including the one
  sent out to the lab, and it is definitely behavioral spraying at this
  point).  Causing him greater anxiety by pilling him doesn't help his
  stress nor his spraying.
 
  I have ordered from that company you link, but if I have to have
  something soon I can't order from them.  I have found them to take a
  very long time to get here, then they send it registered so I have to
  find time to actually go to the post office when they are open and get
  it.  So if I have someone who is actually sick right now I can't use
  it.
 
  On 4/10/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  At 06:08 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:
 
 
  been Here?
 
 
  http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=elavilbysearch=ok
 
  I am so frustrated with these people.  So, so frustrated.
  
  I always have problems with my prescriptions there and they just
  called and said Shimmers' and Toodles' meds would be $125 *each* this
  time.  They were $10 each LAST MONTH.  I am thinking they have to have
  the wrong prescription.  I'll learn how to compound Elavil myself
  before I pay $125 for a month's supply!
  
  I'm sure I will get this straight eventually, but in the meantime
  Toodles, Shimmer, Sapphire and Joey are without their meds because
  they need a credit card payment in advance for anything over
  $100and I'm not paying $250 for Elavil.  For something lifesaving
  sure, but not something to keep Shimmer and Toodles from spraying
  everywhere.
  
  Kelley
  
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Re: OT - ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Kelly L

At 08:45 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:


I do understand..I need to go give 6 cats FLAGYL right now!!!One gets 
fluids and 2 Amoxicillin,,2 get their alferon
I sure appreciate injectablesthe only way to inject Flagyl is 
IV,,,and i am not that skilled,

Oh boy
We all hang there together dont we,
Kelly Lane



I actually tried the compounded liquid elavil before I tried the
transdermal.  He would start running from me as soon as he saw me.
Triple fish too.  Sigh.  (The transdermal is cheaper actually.  We got
it straight.  For some reason they wrote it for *30* syringes).  Which
is like a year's worth, but it doesn't last that long.

Kelley

On 4/10/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 08:25 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:



It should not be too hard, depending upon the size of the pill. As
long as the Elavil can be broken in half or 1/4. it is pretty easy.
How many mgs a day is he on,
Different medications have various methods,
A very bright person has passed on the information for FLAGLY which
tasts worse than anythin imaginable...Susan was taught to get the
correct dosage,,mix with pancake syrupe,
When i do my anitboticc I crush and mix with baby food and syringe it,
tuna juice workI do it in the smallest possible amount,
Also if it keeps for 2 days in the refrigerator ..let's say the pill
is 100 mgs and you need to give 10 mgs, Well you can't cut it into
10ths but if you mix it with 5cc of liquid...and make sure it is
completely dosolved than each 1/2 cc is your 10 mgs,,,
that is just an example,
the important thing is how long it keeps once diluted and can it be
crushed and diluted or is it a time release,,
find a good pharmacist to check that out,
Kelly



Yes, but I *have* to have it compounded.  I can force pills down him
if needed for a short time for infection, but it is stressful for him
and this is something he will need to take for the rest of his life to
prevent spraying (He initially had a urinary tract infection but it
has been treated and cured - he's had 4 urinalyses, including the one
sent out to the lab, and it is definitely behavioral spraying at this
point).  Causing him greater anxiety by pilling him doesn't help his
stress nor his spraying.

I have ordered from that company you link, but if I have to have
something soon I can't order from them.  I have found them to take a
very long time to get here, then they send it registered so I have to
find time to actually go to the post office when they are open and get
it.  So if I have someone who is actually sick right now I can't use
it.

On 4/10/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 06:08 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:


been Here?


http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=elavilbysearch=ok

 I am so frustrated with these people.  So, so frustrated.
 
 I always have problems with my prescriptions there and they just
 called and said Shimmers' and Toodles' meds would be $125 *each* this
 time.  They were $10 each LAST MONTH.  I am thinking they have to have
 the wrong prescription.  I'll learn how to compound Elavil myself
 before I pay $125 for a month's supply!
 
 I'm sure I will get this straight eventually, but in the meantime
 Toodles, Shimmer, Sapphire and Joey are without their meds because
 they need a credit card payment in advance for anything over
 $100and I'm not paying $250 for Elavil.  For something lifesaving
 sure, but not something to keep Shimmer and Toodles from spraying
 everywhere.
 
 Kelley
 
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Re: OT - ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

I get flagyl compounded...expensive but it saves my hands from being
clawed up.  I would not be able to inject it via IV either.

I have one on Lasix, .3 mg once a day, she also gets Lysine and a
heart supplement and COQ10... Joey takes 2 prednilosone am and
pm...and his Leukeran will be once every 48 hours.  Shimmer and
Toodles are supposed to be on Elavil but it is not here.  And I have
giardia:(  Well, I don't..but it is in my house again... a pox upon
thee, giardia.

On 4/10/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 08:45 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:


I do understand..I need to go give 6 cats FLAGYL right now!!!One gets
fluids and 2 Amoxicillin,,2 get their alferon
I sure appreciate injectablesthe only way to inject Flagyl is
IV,,,and i am not that skilled,
Oh boy
We all hang there together dont we,
Kelly Lane


I actually tried the compounded liquid elavil before I tried the
transdermal.  He would start running from me as soon as he saw me.
Triple fish too.  Sigh.  (The transdermal is cheaper actually.  We got
it straight.  For some reason they wrote it for *30* syringes).  Which
is like a year's worth, but it doesn't last that long.

Kelley

On 4/10/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 08:25 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:



It should not be too hard, depending upon the size of the pill. As
long as the Elavil can be broken in half or 1/4. it is pretty easy.
How many mgs a day is he on,
Different medications have various methods,
A very bright person has passed on the information for FLAGLY which
tasts worse than anythin imaginable...Susan was taught to get the
correct dosage,,mix with pancake syrupe,
When i do my anitboticc I crush and mix with baby food and syringe it,
tuna juice workI do it in the smallest possible amount,
Also if it keeps for 2 days in the refrigerator ..let's say the pill
is 100 mgs and you need to give 10 mgs, Well you can't cut it into
10ths but if you mix it with 5cc of liquid...and make sure it is
completely dosolved than each 1/2 cc is your 10 mgs,,,
that is just an example,
the important thing is how long it keeps once diluted and can it be
crushed and diluted or is it a time release,,
find a good pharmacist to check that out,
Kelly



 Yes, but I *have* to have it compounded.  I can force pills down him
 if needed for a short time for infection, but it is stressful for him
 and this is something he will need to take for the rest of his life to
 prevent spraying (He initially had a urinary tract infection but it
 has been treated and cured - he's had 4 urinalyses, including the one
 sent out to the lab, and it is definitely behavioral spraying at this
 point).  Causing him greater anxiety by pilling him doesn't help his
 stress nor his spraying.
 
 I have ordered from that company you link, but if I have to have
 something soon I can't order from them.  I have found them to take a
 very long time to get here, then they send it registered so I have to
 find time to actually go to the post office when they are open and get
 it.  So if I have someone who is actually sick right now I can't use
 it.
 
 On 4/10/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 06:08 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:
 
 
 been Here?
 
 
 http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=elavilbysearch=ok
 
  I am so frustrated with these people.  So, so frustrated.
  
  I always have problems with my prescriptions there and they just
  called and said Shimmers' and Toodles' meds would be $125 *each* this
  time.  They were $10 each LAST MONTH.  I am thinking they have to have
  the wrong prescription.  I'll learn how to compound Elavil myself
  before I pay $125 for a month's supply!
  
  I'm sure I will get this straight eventually, but in the meantime
  Toodles, Shimmer, Sapphire and Joey are without their meds because
  they need a credit card payment in advance for anything over
  $100and I'm not paying $250 for Elavil.  For something lifesaving
  sure, but not something to keep Shimmer and Toodles from spraying
  everywhere.
  
  Kelley
  
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Re: Elavil and 1drugstore-online.com

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

I am getting it compounded transdermally...not liquidly...is that a word..hehe.

I have bought Otomax from there.  It just took forever and a day to
get here.  Which, coming from Thailand, I can understand.

I should probably get Clavamox for URI season.


On 4/10/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I was about to send the same link.  Please take a look.  Kelly and I have
both bought meds from this place and they are VERY RELIABLE.  No
prescription required.  Great customer service.

And, yes, compound it yourself.  I routinely dissolve bitter tasting
pill-form meds and mix with a little syrup to make a better tasting liquid
that can be given orally with a syringe or eyedropper.

Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 06:08 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:


been Here?


http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=elavilbysearch=ok

I am so frustrated with these people. So, so frustrated.

I always have problems with my prescriptions there and they just
called and said Shimmers' and Toodles' meds would be $125 *each* this
time. They were $10 each LAST MONTH. I am thinking they have to have
the wrong prescription. I'll learn how to compound Elavil myself
before I pay $125 for a month's supply!

I'm sure I will get this straight eventually, but in the meantime
Toodles, Shimmer, Sapphire and Joey are without their meds because
they need a credit card payment in advance for anything over
$100and I'm not paying $250 for Elavil. For something lifesaving
sure, but not something to keep Shimmer and Toodles from spraying
everywhere.

Kelley

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Re: OT - ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Nina
I'm sorry but the ankle thing got me chuckling.  On another list, 
someone had mentioned that her cats actually seemed to pee more on 
plastic covered furniture!  There was one cat that hurries to pee on 
plastic grocery store bags if they make it to the kitchen floor during 
unpacking.  Our Queen Ursula pees on the sink back splash whenever she 
is annoyed with us, (very effective behavioral modification for Bruce 
and I!).  She's a bottle baby that grew up very indulged and spoiled, 
(not to mention a calico), and she reminds us often that she DID NOT 
agree to welcoming all these street urchin vagabonds that find their way 
to our door. 

I hear you about how crowded your living quarters are, is there no way 
to separate the pee merchants and give them some private space for 
awhile?  I have found that even limited time outs from the others during 
the day, (at the same time each day if possible), helps.  They at least 
know they will have some peaceful alone time at regular intervals and it 
helps them tolerate each other when they do have to be together.  I'm 
betting that your house looks like mine with bookless shelves and cat 
trees galore.  Vertical space sometimes helps and I also find that if I 
help protect personal territories, (shooing interlopers off of someone 
else's favorite perch for example), helps everyone respect each other's 
boundaries.


As for extra litterboxes...  I use those cement mixing trays they sell 
at Home Depot.  They are just about the same height as regular 
litterboxes but about 2.5x as large.  Even when they are butted up 
against each other the extra space seems to help curb litterbox avoidance. 

Sending you strength, (give me your address if you want me to send you 
some ozium, or clothes pins for your nose). 
Nina


Kelley Saveika wrote:

Lets see Nina.

What have I tried (I have at least two sprayers that I know of.  Then
there is whoever is peeing in my bed (I have plastic cover on it, but
at least every other day I have to strip it and bleach the sheets.
Depends if they have peed on it that day).

I have tried Feliway.  Did NOTHING whatsoever.

Tried extra attention.

Not sure what else to try, to be honest.  If I had the recommended #
of litterboxes I'd have to have 31, and I don't have room for 31.  He
has urinated everywhere, including my ankle one day.  I clean up the
pee trails going up and down the walls every couple of days.  I have
had an offer to help me rip up the carpet so I will have concrete
floors like every other rescuer I know.   She likes to get on top of
the stove and spray the backsplash.  Toodles never had a UTI, she was
checked and her urine was clear.  I'm trying to find her a foster home
with fewer cats.

He is on Elavil only, she is on Elavil plus pain meds for her
congenital spinal disorder.



On 4/10/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kelley,
I'd call the vet that wrote the script.  They should be able to either
help you straighten out the pricing/wrong script problem, or tell you
where else to order it from.  I'd also call local human pharmacies in
your area and ask the pharmacist to recommend a local compounding
pharmacy.  I usually get my compounded meds in the mail from a couple
states away, but when I'm in a hurry I have one within driving distance
that I use.  Try not to stress too much, you'll get the meds you need
for your pee happy friend.

What have you done to try and work with him, (what's his name?)
behaviorally to curb his spraying?  I'm betting you've tried lots of
things.  Don't give up hope that he will continue to spray forever.  I
can't tell you how many times I've thought a behavioral issue would
never resolve, but given lots of time, imagination, and patience things
do eventually work themselves out.
Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:
 Yes, but I *have* to have it compounded.  I can force pills down him
 if needed for a short time for infection, but it is stressful for him
 and this is something he will need to take for the rest of his life to
 prevent spraying (He initially had a urinary tract infection but it
 has been treated and cured - he's had 4 urinalyses, including the one
 sent out to the lab, and it is definitely behavioral spraying at this
 point).  Causing him greater anxiety by pilling him doesn't help his
 stress nor his spraying.

 I have ordered from that company you link, but if I have to have
 something soon I can't order from them.  I have found them to take a
 very long time to get here, then they send it registered so I have to
 find time to actually go to the post office when they are open and get
 it.  So if I have someone who is actually sick right now I can't use
 it.

 On 4/10/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 06:08 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:


 been Here?


 
http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=elavilbysearch=ok


 I am so frustrated with these people.  So, so frustrated.
 
 I always have problems with my prescriptions there and they just
 called and said Shimmers' and 

Re: OT - ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Susan Hoffman
  Have it sent to your office so you don't have to retrieve from the post 
office.
   
  If it's a lifetime situation then order a large amount and keep in stock so 
you don't have to get it at the last minute.
   
  When you get the Elavil pills, taste one -- just touch your tongue to it or 
put a drop of water on it and get a taste on your finger.  Then you know how to 
mix it -- if it's bitter and has a nasty aftertaste, use syrup or molassas; if 
it's a little salty or not too bad then you can mix with waterpacked tuna or 
meat baby food.
   
  I almost never pill anyone, and I have Connie (epileptic) on phenobarbitol 
and Keppra several times a day for life and Peepers (neurological problems) on 
prozac daily, also for life.  I also have fosters who need antibiotics or 
metronidazole for awhile to get over what they picked up and the shelter.  And 
I have Ember, a cat with miserable skin allergies, who gets a depo medrol 
injection every other month.  
   
  __

 Yes, but I *have* to have it compounded. I can force pills down him
 if needed for a short time for infection, but it is stressful for him
 and this is something he will need to take for the rest of his life to
 prevent spraying (He initially had a urinary tract infection but it
 has been treated and cured - he's had 4 urinalyses, including the one
 sent out to the lab, and it is definitely behavioral spraying at this
 point). Causing him greater anxiety by pilling him doesn't help his
 stress nor his spraying.
 
 I have ordered from that company you link, but if I have to have
 something soon I can't order from them. I have found them to take a
 very long time to get here, then they send it registered so I have to
 find time to actually go to the post office when they are open and get
 it. So if I have someone who is actually sick right now I can't use
 it.
 
 On 4/10/07, Kelly L wrote:
 At 06:08 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:
 
 
 been Here?
 
 
 http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=elavilbysearch=ok
 
  I am so frustrated with these people. So, so frustrated.
  
  I always have problems with my prescriptions there and they just
  called and said Shimmers' and Toodles' meds would be $125 *each* this
  time. They were $10 each LAST MONTH. I am thinking they have to have
  the wrong prescription. I'll learn how to compound Elavil myself
  before I pay $125 for a month's supply!
  
  I'm sure I will get this straight eventually, but in the meantime
  Toodles, Shimmer, Sapphire and Joey are without their meds because
  they need a credit card payment in advance for anything over
  $100and I'm not paying $250 for Elavil. For something lifesaving
  sure, but not something to keep Shimmer and Toodles from spraying
  everywhere.
  
  Kelley
  
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Re: CLS - Jacksonville FL shelter cats

2007-04-10 Thread dede hicken
Tad,

I will try to find out.  It's real hard right now
because the computer and office files were lost.  They
were having trouble with the backup system that was
off site.  I know they had people scheduled to adopt,
but they had to wait until later on, because of the
system being messed up.

I can tell you that they did find one cat in the
rubble that was alive and fine.

The fireman who was back there with the cats was on
his way out of the bldg. after they called for
everyone to get out, when the roof collapsed.  he is a
young man (31) and he got out of the hospital today.

Dede

--- Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Do we know for a fact that Scooter, the FeLV+ kitty
 was gone ??
 I heard that some unknown number of animals were in
 foster homes...
 I suppose the office files were all lost...
 But I was hopping that this unlucky kitty got a bit
 of good luck and was
 isolated from neg. kitties by being in a foster
 home...
 Tad
 
 Gina WN wrote:
 
  Those poor babies.  I looked at every picture and
 name.  Sending my 
  love and prayers to them.
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Jacksonville FL Humane Society memorial page:
  http://ucat.us/JacksonvilleMemorial/ 
   
  Please take a few moments to add them to your
 thoughts during
  tomorrow's Candlelight Service. Scooter, one
 cat shown, was FELV+,
  most were not (maybe when they rebuild they
 will have a wing
  dedicated to Scooter for the FELV+ cats). A
 couple of dogs were
  lost as well, from reports at their website,
 and 5 cats were able
  to be rescued, I do not know if they are any
 shown on the memorial
  page. Please remember, MANY animals that end
 up in shelters were
  previously someone's pet, and this tragedy
 will certainly effect
  those owners who had to give up their cat to
 this shelter. This
  was a no-kill shelter.
   
  Sincerely,
 
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OT - Clavamox

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

Hey guys,

I was at 
http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=clavamoxbysearch=okGo.x=17Go.y=12
pricing Clavamox and it seems to be more expensive than the vet's
office.  Has anyone ever ordered Clavamox from here?  Is the bottle
just huge or something?

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RE: OT - Clavamox

2007-04-10 Thread Wolf, Leah R.
Kelley,

That price is very high.  Allivet.com sells the 15 ml bottle for $9.99, but
you must have a prescription.


Leah
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:18 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: OT - Clavamox

Hey guys,

I was at
http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=clavamoxbysearch=okGo.
x=17Go.y=12
pricing Clavamox and it seems to be more expensive than the vet's office.
Has anyone ever ordered Clavamox from here?  Is the bottle just huge or
something?

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Re: OT - Clavamox

2007-04-10 Thread Nina
I got Clav (125mg) from there, (I quarter or half the pills according to 
weight).  I think there were six foil sealed strips of 14 pills each.  A 
lot of Clavamox.

Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:

Hey guys,

I was at 
http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=clavamoxbysearch=okGo.x=17Go.y=12 


pricing Clavamox and it seems to be more expensive than the vet's
office.  Has anyone ever ordered Clavamox from here?  Is the bottle
just huge or something?






Re: OT - Clavamox

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

I thought it was high.  My vet sells it cheaper than that.  I don't
really want to ask him to write a prescription though - he sees all my
cats for free.  I want him to still be able to make a little money off
me.

The amoxicillin price there seems high as well.  Zithromax is one of
Target/Walmart's $4 drugs, so no reason to buy it there.

On 4/10/07, Wolf, Leah R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kelley,

That price is very high.  Allivet.com sells the 15 ml bottle for $9.99, but
you must have a prescription.


Leah
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:18 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: OT - Clavamox

Hey guys,

I was at
http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=clavamoxbysearch=okGo.
x=17Go.y=12
pricing Clavamox and it seems to be more expensive than the vet's office.
Has anyone ever ordered Clavamox from here?  Is the bottle just huge or
something?

--
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Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

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Please help Joey!
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Re: Elavil and 1drugstore-online.com

2007-04-10 Thread Susan Hoffman
Wonder how they make the transdermal.
   
  I can't afford $125 per cat for meds.  Afraid I'll just have to keep doing my 
home compounding thing and create a tolerable liquid as an alternative to 
pilling.

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I am getting it compounded transdermally...not liquidly...is that a 
word..hehe.

I have bought Otomax from there. It just took forever and a day to
get here. Which, coming from Thailand, I can understand.

I should probably get Clavamox for URI season.


On 4/10/07, Susan Hoffman wrote:
 I was about to send the same link. Please take a look. Kelly and I have
 both bought meds from this place and they are VERY RELIABLE. No
 prescription required. Great customer service.

 And, yes, compound it yourself. I routinely dissolve bitter tasting
 pill-form meds and mix with a little syrup to make a better tasting liquid
 that can be given orally with a syringe or eyedropper.

 Kelly L wrote:
 At 06:08 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:


 been Here?


 http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=elavilbysearch=ok

 I am so frustrated with these people. So, so frustrated.
 
 I always have problems with my prescriptions there and they just
 called and said Shimmers' and Toodles' meds would be $125 *each* this
 time. They were $10 each LAST MONTH. I am thinking they have to have
 the wrong prescription. I'll learn how to compound Elavil myself
 before I pay $125 for a month's supply!
 
 I'm sure I will get this straight eventually, but in the meantime
 Toodles, Shimmer, Sapphire and Joey are without their meds because
 they need a credit card payment in advance for anything over
 $100and I'm not paying $250 for Elavil. For something lifesaving
 sure, but not something to keep Shimmer and Toodles from spraying
 everywhere.
 
 Kelley
 
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Re: Elavil and 1drugstore-online.com

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

I can't afford $125 per cat for meds either.  When I called them, I
found that the error was that somehow they made up 30 syringes instead
of 2.  It is $5 per syringe normally (probably they were giving me a
discount for buying 30 at once).  So that was the problem.  If you
figure out how to make it transdermal let me know and I'll give it a
try.

On 4/10/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Wonder how they make the transdermal.

I can't afford $125 per cat for meds.  Afraid I'll just have to keep doing
my home compounding thing and create a tolerable liquid as an alternative to
pilling.

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am getting it compounded transdermally...not liquidly...is that a
word..hehe.

I have bought Otomax from there. It just took forever and a day to
get here. Which, coming from Thailand, I can understand.

I should probably get Clavamox for URI season.


On 4/10/07, Susan Hoffman wrote:
 I was about to send the same link. Please take a look. Kelly and I have
 both bought meds from this place and they are VERY RELIABLE. No
 prescription required. Great customer service.

 And, yes, compound it yourself. I routinely dissolve bitter tasting
 pill-form meds and mix with a little syrup to make a better tasting liquid
 that can be given orally with a syringe or eyedropper.

 Kelly L wrote:
 At 06:08 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:


 been Here?



http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=elavilbysearch=ok

 I am so frustrated with these people. So, so frustrated.
 
 I always have problems with my prescriptions there and they just
 called and said Shimmers' and Toodles' meds would be $125 *each* this
 time. They were $10 each LAST MONTH. I am thinking they have to have
 the wrong prescription. I'll learn how to compound Elavil myself
 before I pay $125 for a month's supply!
 
 I'm sure I will get this straight eventually, but in the meantime
 Toodles, Shimmer, Sapphire and Joey are without their meds because
 they need a credit card payment in advance for anything over
 $100and I'm not paying $250 for Elavil. For something lifesaving
 sure, but not something to keep Shimmer and Toodles from spraying
 everywhere.
 
 Kelley
 
 --
 Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
 
 http://www.rescuties.org
 
 Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
 
 http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
 
 Please help Joey!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
 
 
 
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Re: OT - Clavamox

2007-04-10 Thread Nina
I think when you compare the price to quantity you'll find that 1drug is 
competitive.  Esp if you can avoid a vet visit.  I hate to talk about 
this sort of thing online.  Not everyone is as versed in kitty problems 
as some of us are and shouldn't be self prescribing.

Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:

I thought it was high.  My vet sells it cheaper than that.  I don't
really want to ask him to write a prescription though - he sees all my
cats for free.  I want him to still be able to make a little money off
me.

The amoxicillin price there seems high as well.  Zithromax is one of
Target/Walmart's $4 drugs, so no reason to buy it there.





Re: OT - Clavamox

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

Hey Nina,

Do you think you would be able to make the pill into a kitten dose?
Tiny kitten doses are usually .2 or .4 twice a day.  I don't think I'd
be able to trust my judgement enough to make 125 mg into .2 or .4 mg.
Maybe if I ground it up and got a scale?  Are there scales that are
accurate to .2 or .4 mg?  I go through a large amount of liquid clav
and amoxi in the summer.

On 4/10/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I got Clav (125mg) from there, (I quarter or half the pills according to
weight).  I think there were six foil sealed strips of 14 pills each.  A
lot of Clavamox.
Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:
 Hey guys,

 I was at
 
http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=clavamoxbysearch=okGo.x=17Go.y=12

 pricing Clavamox and it seems to be more expensive than the vet's
 office.  Has anyone ever ordered Clavamox from here?  Is the bottle
 just huge or something?







--
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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Joey!
http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia



Re: OT - Clavamox

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

My vet DOES NOT charge me for visits.  I LOVE him.  Too bad he is
married and has two kids or I would be asking for his hand in
marriage.

So I do not need to self-prescribe.

I have a standing weekly appointment for Joey.  Tomorrow I am taking 3
kittens, Joey, and Kitty in.  I will pay 0 in vet visits..though I
will still probably pay $100...Joey's CBC, steroids, and whatever the
kittens and Kitty need.  Could be $125 or $150.

The local reduced price spay/neuter clinic sells Clavamox and
Amoxicillin at about half the price my regular vet does, but you have
to have an appointment for a spay/neuter or dental, have the cat get
sick, and take him in anyway (don't ask me how many times this has
happened to me..Nod had a dental appt March 25 and got sick...so I
took him in...he had uri and got Clavamox...the next available dental
appt was in AUGUST...ack.)

On 4/10/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think when you compare the price to quantity you'll find that 1drug is
competitive.  Esp if you can avoid a vet visit.  I hate to talk about
this sort of thing online.  Not everyone is as versed in kitty problems
as some of us are and shouldn't be self prescribing.
Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:
 I thought it was high.  My vet sells it cheaper than that.  I don't
 really want to ask him to write a prescription though - he sees all my
 cats for free.  I want him to still be able to make a little money off
 me.

 The amoxicillin price there seems high as well.  Zithromax is one of
 Target/Walmart's $4 drugs, so no reason to buy it there.






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Re: OT - Clavamox

2007-04-10 Thread Nina
A drug scale would be my suggestion.  Something that measures in grams.  
Know any retired cocaine dealers that don't need their scales anymore?  
I'd talk to your friendly vet about it to make sure you are dosing 
correctly.  If he sees your rescues for free, I'm sure he'd understand 
your wanting to save money wherever you can.  Unfortunately, there is no 
doubt that he will have plenty of opportunity to separate you from some 
of your money from time to time.

Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:

Hey Nina,

Do you think you would be able to make the pill into a kitten dose?
Tiny kitten doses are usually .2 or .4 twice a day.  I don't think I'd
be able to trust my judgement enough to make 125 mg into .2 or .4 mg.
Maybe if I ground it up and got a scale?  Are there scales that are
accurate to .2 or .4 mg?  I go through a large amount of liquid clav
and amoxi in the summer.





Re: OT - Clavamox

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

ROFL.  I don't know any retired cocaine dealers..lol.

I will ask around.

They already laugh at me at work for illegally ordering cat ear medicine.

My boss came up to me the other day and said...pssst...would you like
to buy some cat ear medicine..and opened his coat like a drug dealer
would..it was too funny.

My vet has saved me many, many thousands of dollars...did I mention I
love him?:)  (He sees my personal cats for free too, not that I have
that many).  He also writes me long, detailed emails in response to my
many many questions.

On 4/10/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

A drug scale would be my suggestion.  Something that measures in grams.
Know any retired cocaine dealers that don't need their scales anymore?
I'd talk to your friendly vet about it to make sure you are dosing
correctly.  If he sees your rescues for free, I'm sure he'd understand
your wanting to save money wherever you can.  Unfortunately, there is no
doubt that he will have plenty of opportunity to separate you from some
of your money from time to time.
Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:
 Hey Nina,

 Do you think you would be able to make the pill into a kitten dose?
 Tiny kitten doses are usually .2 or .4 twice a day.  I don't think I'd
 be able to trust my judgement enough to make 125 mg into .2 or .4 mg.
 Maybe if I ground it up and got a scale?  Are there scales that are
 accurate to .2 or .4 mg?  I go through a large amount of liquid clav
 and amoxi in the summer.






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Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Joey!
http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia



Re: OT - Clavamox

2007-04-10 Thread Nina
I am so jealous about your vet!  I'm happily married, but I think I'd be 
flirting my a** off just the same!

Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:

ROFL.  I don't know any retired cocaine dealers..lol.

I will ask around.

They already laugh at me at work for illegally ordering cat ear medicine.

My boss came up to me the other day and said...pssst...would you like
to buy some cat ear medicine..and opened his coat like a drug dealer
would..it was too funny.

My vet has saved me many, many thousands of dollars...did I mention I
love him?:)  (He sees my personal cats for free too, not that I have
that many).  He also writes me long, detailed emails in response to my
many many questions.

On 4/10/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

A drug scale would be my suggestion.  Something that measures in grams.
Know any retired cocaine dealers that don't need their scales anymore?
I'd talk to your friendly vet about it to make sure you are dosing
correctly.  If he sees your rescues for free, I'm sure he'd understand
your wanting to save money wherever you can.  Unfortunately, there is no
doubt that he will have plenty of opportunity to separate you from some
of your money from time to time.
Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:
 Hey Nina,

 Do you think you would be able to make the pill into a kitten dose?
 Tiny kitten doses are usually .2 or .4 twice a day.  I don't think I'd
 be able to trust my judgement enough to make 125 mg into .2 or .4 mg.
 Maybe if I ground it up and got a scale?  Are there scales that are
 accurate to .2 or .4 mg?  I go through a large amount of liquid clav
 and amoxi in the summer.











Re: OT - Clavamox

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

When I was all worried I had hurt Joey by giving him vaccines and
people were emailing me telling me I had no business vaccinating a 10
year old cat, he went and looked up discussions on vet only bulletin
boards and printed them out for me.*love*...hehe.

On 4/10/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am so jealous about your vet!  I'm happily married, but I think I'd be
flirting my a** off just the same!
Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:
 ROFL.  I don't know any retired cocaine dealers..lol.

 I will ask around.

 They already laugh at me at work for illegally ordering cat ear medicine.

 My boss came up to me the other day and said...pssst...would you like
 to buy some cat ear medicine..and opened his coat like a drug dealer
 would..it was too funny.

 My vet has saved me many, many thousands of dollars...did I mention I
 love him?:)  (He sees my personal cats for free too, not that I have
 that many).  He also writes me long, detailed emails in response to my
 many many questions.

 On 4/10/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A drug scale would be my suggestion.  Something that measures in grams.
 Know any retired cocaine dealers that don't need their scales anymore?
 I'd talk to your friendly vet about it to make sure you are dosing
 correctly.  If he sees your rescues for free, I'm sure he'd understand
 your wanting to save money wherever you can.  Unfortunately, there is no
 doubt that he will have plenty of opportunity to separate you from some
 of your money from time to time.
 Nina

 Kelley Saveika wrote:
  Hey Nina,
 
  Do you think you would be able to make the pill into a kitten dose?
  Tiny kitten doses are usually .2 or .4 twice a day.  I don't think I'd
  be able to trust my judgement enough to make 125 mg into .2 or .4 mg.
  Maybe if I ground it up and got a scale?  Are there scales that are
  accurate to .2 or .4 mg?  I go through a large amount of liquid clav
  and amoxi in the summer.











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Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Joey!
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Re: OT - Clavamox

2007-04-10 Thread Susan Hoffman
I bought my gram scale a smoke shop.  

Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  A drug scale would be my suggestion. Something 
that measures in grams. 
Know any retired cocaine dealers that don't need their scales anymore? 
I'd talk to your friendly vet about it to make sure you are dosing 
correctly. If he sees your rescues for free, I'm sure he'd understand 
your wanting to save money wherever you can. Unfortunately, there is no 
doubt that he will have plenty of opportunity to separate you from some 
of your money from time to time.
Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:
 Hey Nina,

 Do you think you would be able to make the pill into a kitten dose?
 Tiny kitten doses are usually .2 or .4 twice a day. I don't think I'd
 be able to trust my judgement enough to make 125 mg into .2 or .4 mg.
 Maybe if I ground it up and got a scale? Are there scales that are
 accurate to .2 or .4 mg? I go through a large amount of liquid clav
 and amoxi in the summer.





Re: OT - Clavamox

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

LOL ..I wonder if there is one hereI have never had occasion to
look for one here.

On 4/10/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I bought my gram scale a smoke shop.

Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A drug scale would be my suggestion. Something that measures in grams.
Know any retired cocaine dealers that don't need their scales anymore?
I'd talk to your friendly vet about it to make sure you are dosing
correctly. If he sees your rescues for free, I'm sure he'd understand
your wanting to save money wherever you can. Unfortunately, there is no
doubt that he will have plenty of opportunity to separate you from some
of your money from time to time.
Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:
 Hey Nina,

 Do you think you would be able to make the pill into a kitten dose?
 Tiny kitten doses are usually .2 or .4 twice a day. I don't think I'd
 be able to trust my judgement enough to make 125 mg into .2 or .4 mg.
 Maybe if I ground it up and got a scale? Are there scales that are
 accurate to .2 or .4 mg? I go through a large amount of liquid clav
 and amoxi in the summer.







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Re: OT - ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Susan Tillman
 On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:08:48 -0500 Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 I always have problems with my prescriptions there and they just
 called and said Shimmers' and Toodles' meds would be $125 *each* this
 time.  They were $10 each LAST MONTH.  I am thinking they have to have
 the wrong prescription.  I'll learn how to compound Elavil myself
 before I pay $125 for a month's supply!

Hi Kelley,

This definitely sounds like an error. Amitriptyline HCl (generic form of
Elavil) is very inexpensive. I assume you have to have it compounded because
your kitties receive very small dosages. I've dealt with Pet Health Pharmacy
a number of times over the years and they have always been extremely helpful
and have saved me a LOT of money. I'll bet they had someone else's
prescription confused with yours. Good luck and let us know how it turns
out.

Sue and Shane (FeLV+)
Jerome, AZ




Re: OT - Clavamox

2007-04-10 Thread Susan Hoffman
Huh?  illegally ordering cat ear medicine?
   
  I don't think it is illegal to order a personal use quantity (90 days is the 
Customs standard) of a medication from a foreign country.  Before I started 
ordering online from Thailand I used to travel across the border to Tijuana 
several times a year for the same meds.  I ALWAYS declared them at Customs when 
I reentered the US and never had a problem.

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ROFL. I don't know any retired cocaine dealers..lol.

I will ask around.

They already laugh at me at work for illegally ordering cat ear medicine.

My boss came up to me the other day and said...pssst...would you like
to buy some cat ear medicine..and opened his coat like a drug dealer
would..it was too funny.

My vet has saved me many, many thousands of dollars...did I mention I
love him?:) (He sees my personal cats for free too, not that I have
that many). He also writes me long, detailed emails in response to my
many many questions.

On 4/10/07, Nina wrote:
 A drug scale would be my suggestion. Something that measures in grams.
 Know any retired cocaine dealers that don't need their scales anymore?
 I'd talk to your friendly vet about it to make sure you are dosing
 correctly. If he sees your rescues for free, I'm sure he'd understand
 your wanting to save money wherever you can. Unfortunately, there is no
 doubt that he will have plenty of opportunity to separate you from some
 of your money from time to time.
 Nina

 Kelley Saveika wrote:
  Hey Nina,
 
  Do you think you would be able to make the pill into a kitten dose?
  Tiny kitten doses are usually .2 or .4 twice a day. I don't think I'd
  be able to trust my judgement enough to make 125 mg into .2 or .4 mg.
  Maybe if I ground it up and got a scale? Are there scales that are
  accurate to .2 or .4 mg? I go through a large amount of liquid clav
  and amoxi in the summer.





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Re: OT - Clavamox

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

Well, it is a joke:)

On 4/10/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Huh?  illegally ordering cat ear medicine?

I don't think it is illegal to order a personal use quantity (90 days is the
Customs standard) of a medication from a foreign country.  Before I started
ordering online from Thailand I used to travel across the border to Tijuana
several times a year for the same meds.  I ALWAYS declared them at Customs
when I reentered the US and never had a problem.

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ROFL. I don't know any retired cocaine dealers..lol.

I will ask around.

They already laugh at me at work for illegally ordering cat ear medicine.

My boss came up to me the other day and said...pssst...would you like
to buy some cat ear medicine..and opened his coat like a drug dealer
would..it was too funny.

My vet has saved me many, many thousands of dollars...did I mention I
love him?:) (He sees my personal cats for free too, not that I have
that many). He also writes me long, detailed emails in response to my
many many questions.

On 4/10/07, Nina wrote:
 A drug scale would be my suggestion. Something that measures in grams.
 Know any retired cocaine dealers that don't need their scales anymore?
 I'd talk to your friendly vet about it to make sure you are dosing
 correctly. If he sees your rescues for free, I'm sure he'd understand
 your wanting to save money wherever you can. Unfortunately, there is no
 doubt that he will have plenty of opportunity to separate you from some
 of your money from time to time.
 Nina

 Kelley Saveika wrote:
  Hey Nina,
 
  Do you think you would be able to make the pill into a kitten dose?
  Tiny kitten doses are usually .2 or .4 twice a day. I don't think I'd
  be able to trust my judgement enough to make 125 mg into .2 or .4 mg.
  Maybe if I ground it up and got a scale? Are there scales that are
  accurate to .2 or .4 mg? I go through a large amount of liquid clav
  and amoxi in the summer.





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Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

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Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

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RE: pungent urine

2007-04-10 Thread Melissa Lind
Nina, no cat wandering around that I could see, but there very well could
be. But, his piddles are always in the litter box. At first he used the
carpet until I switched to clay. Luckily I caught that right away. Now, he's
goes very nicely in the box-which is very large. I always buy those storage
totes after I discovered that my Bandit had a tendency to not realize how
big he was-piddled off the side a lot before the storage totes were bought.
Candles seems to work a little-it's a least tolerable in here for me to get
some work done! Cassidy is now snuggled up on my lap-he's finally learning
not to use his claw on me so much! 

By the way, I see that many of you are responding to messages that I don't
see until you've all responded! Am I doing something wrong? Is it because I
batch my emails? How would one unbatch them?  Melissa



RE: pungent urine

2007-04-10 Thread Debbie


Just a bit of info.
We have 14 cats and we have had real good luck using either Arm  Hammer Scoopable Litter or Tidy Cat Scoopable (the original kind). The only time there is odor is if someone doesn't cover. For accidents we use Nature's Miracles. It works wonders as long as you use it first. Don't try to clean and then try it.
We have 4 litter boxes in a walk in closet area (uncovered). One in our utility room, 1 in the bathroom (covered), and one in our bedroom (covered). They are the extra large litter boxes, except for one. I scoop all boxes in the morning and my husband does it around 4:30 p.m. We add fresh litter as needed. It works quite well actually.

-Original Message- From: Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Apr 10, 2007 1:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: pungent urine 



Nina, no cat wandering around that I could see, but there very well could be. But, his piddles are always in the litter box. At first he used the carpet until I switched to clay. Luckily I caught that right away. Now, he’s goes very nicely in the box—which is very large. I always buy those storage totes after I discovered that my Bandit had a tendency to not realize how big he was—piddled off the side a lot before the storage totes were bought. Candles seems to work a little—it’s a least tolerable in here for me to get some work done! Cassidy is now snuggled up on my lap—he’s finally learning not to use his claw on me so much! 
By the way, I see that many of you are responding to messages that I don’t see until you’ve all responded! Am I doing something wrong? Is it because I batch my emails? How would one unbatch them? Melissa



RE: OT-ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Melissa Lind
Kelly, I feel so bad for you after you've described your troubles-your cats
do much more random peeing than my Bandit used to. He only went in the heat
vent (very nice) or on top of it once we covered it with plastic and all
sorts of contraptions. I think I tried EVERYTHING before my vet suggested
the prozac. Like you, I found that Feliway was interesting to my cats, but
did nothing to their behavior. I'm so sorry that your babies are difficult
to pill. Bandit just opens up and swallows very obediently. Unlike yours, he
hears the bottle opening and usually comes into the kitchen-weird I know.
I'm not sure what his pills taste like, but he must be okay with them-or
else he's just very excited to please-plus he gets extra love and attention
when he takes his medicine-that could be why. You must be a very patient and
loving person to have dealt with so much trouble this long! I know how
exhausting and frustrating it can be! Plus, I'd find myself crawling around
the floor with my nose ridiculously sniffing the carpet :-), very
embarrassing if anyone came over! But, I was relieved, if you could call it
that, that my cat only chose one place other than the litter box. I only
pray it gets better for you! Bless you for sticking it out! I had people
tell me they would have put down a cat that was doing what mine did! That's
just horrifying!

But, I also agree with you Nina about not listening to those who are not as
experienced-and I certainly am not experienced. I'm very new to medicating
cats-I've only recently had special needs with Bandit and then with the 3
rescues this week. I'm learning quite a bit. So, if anyone thinks what I am
doing is wrong-don't hesitate to let me know! I won't take it personally if
you don't take my ignorance personally! I'm trying to learn quickly. By the
way, what is this Flagyl?  Melissa



Re: OT-ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

Hi Melissa,

It is really my fault he pees.  He always, always used his litterbox
until I insisted on bringing a  LOT of animals into the house.

He's letting me know he's mad.:p

Flagyl is for diarrhea and giardia and maybe some other stuff in cats.
The generic name is metronidazole, I believe.  My understanding is
that it is very, very bitter.   My vet was surprised I could get
Flagyl pills down anyone.  I did get them down them, but my hands were
constantly clawed up.

Shimmer just doesn't want to take ANY pills.  I have other cats that
are much easier to pill.  Joey is not hard to pill at all.

I have had to give up some things like having people over ever...I
think we are going to work on a better solution...like a building with
TILE floors..and a drain in the middlethat would be my dream
situation.:)

There are so many tinies who just need a few weeks, or max of a few
months...then they are adopted almost right away...there's got to be
somewhere to stash them.

Kelley

On 4/10/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Kelly, I feel so bad for you after you've described your troubles—your cats
do much more random peeing than my Bandit used to. He only went in the heat
vent (very nice) or on top of it once we covered it with plastic and all
sorts of contraptions. I think I tried EVERYTHING before my vet suggested
the prozac. Like you, I found that Feliway was interesting to my cats, but
did nothing to their behavior. I'm so sorry that your babies are difficult
to pill. Bandit just opens up and swallows very obediently. Unlike yours, he
hears the bottle opening and usually comes into the kitchen—weird I know.
I'm not sure what his pills taste like, but he must be okay with them—or
else he's just very excited to please—plus he gets extra love and attention
when he takes his medicine—that could be why. You must be a very patient and
loving person to have dealt with so much trouble this long! I know how
exhausting and frustrating it can be! Plus, I'd find myself crawling around
the floor with my nose ridiculously sniffing the carpet J, very embarrassing
if anyone came over! But, I was relieved, if you could call it that, that my
cat only chose one place other than the litter box. I only pray it gets
better for you! Bless you for sticking it out! I had people tell me they
would have put down a cat that was doing what mine did! That's just
horrifying!

But, I also agree with you Nina about not listening to those who are not as
experienced—and I certainly am not experienced. I'm very new to medicating
cats—I've only recently had special needs with Bandit and then with the 3
rescues this week. I'm learning quite a bit. So, if anyone thinks what I am
doing is wrong—don't hesitate to let me know! I won't take it personally if
you don't take my ignorance personally! I'm trying to learn quickly. By the
way, what is this Flagyl?  Melissa



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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

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RE: OT-ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Susan Hoffman
Flagyl is the brand name for metronidazole.  It is used for giardia and other 
intestinal bugs in cats and in people.  (With people, think tourist tummy 
that you get from drinking from a contaminated water supply.)  It is one of the 
worst tasting meds I have ever encountered.
   
  Uh, we have one cat who peed on the plug-in Feliway dispenser.  We don't 
waste money on Feliway anymore.

Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kelly, I feel so bad for you after you’ve described your 
troubles—your cats do much more random peeing than my Bandit used to. He only 
went in the heat vent (very nice) or on top of it once we covered it with 
plastic and all sorts of contraptions. I think I tried EVERYTHING before my vet 
suggested the prozac. Like you, I found that Feliway was interesting to my 
cats, but did nothing to their behavior. I’m so sorry that your babies are 
difficult to pill. Bandit just opens up and swallows very obediently. Unlike 
yours, he hears the bottle opening and usually comes into the kitchen—weird I 
know. I’m not sure what his pills taste like, but he must be okay with them—or 
else he’s just very excited to please—plus he gets extra love and attention 
when he takes his medicine—that could be why. You must be a very patient and 
loving person to have dealt with so much trouble this long! I know how 
exhausting and frustrating it can be! Plus, I’d find myself crawling around
 the floor with my nose ridiculously sniffing the carpet J, very embarrassing 
if anyone came over! But, I was relieved, if you could call it that, that my 
cat only chose one place other than the litter box. I only pray it gets better 
for you! Bless you for sticking it out! I had people tell me they would have 
put down a cat that was doing what mine did! That’s just horrifying!
  But, I also agree with you Nina about not listening to those who are not as 
experienced—and I certainly am not experienced. I’m very new to medicating 
cats—I’ve only recently had special needs with Bandit and then with the 3 
rescues this week. I’m learning quite a bit. So, if anyone thinks what I am 
doing is wrong—don’t hesitate to let me know! I won’t take it personally if you 
don’t take my ignorance personally! I’m trying to learn quickly. By the way, 
what is this Flagyl?  Melissa




Re: OT-ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Nina
Wha'd I say?? Whatever I said about not listening to those who aren't 
experienced, (I really don't remember), I didn't mean to curtail 
discussion. Heck, if I only wrote when I was positive about what I was 
talking about you folks would hardly ever hear from me :-) .


I see Kelley has already answered you question about Metronidazole, (aka 
Flagil).

Nina

Melissa Lind wrote:


Kelly, I feel so bad for you after you’ve described your troubles—your 
cats do much more random peeing than my Bandit used to. He only went 
in the heat vent (very nice) or on top of it once we covered it with 
plastic and all sorts of contraptions. I think I tried EVERYTHING 
before my vet suggested the prozac. Like you, I found that Feliway was 
interesting to my cats, but did nothing to their behavior. I’m so 
sorry that your babies are difficult to pill. Bandit just opens up and 
swallows very obediently. Unlike yours, he hears the bottle opening 
and usually comes into the kitchen—weird I know. I’m not sure what his 
pills taste like, but he must be okay with them—or else he’s just very 
excited to please—plus he gets extra love and attention when he takes 
his medicine—that could be why. You must be a very patient and loving 
person to have dealt with so much trouble this long! I know how 
exhausting and frustrating it can be! Plus, I’d find myself crawling 
around the floor with my nose ridiculously sniffing the carpet J, very 
embarrassing if anyone came over! But, I was relieved, if you could 
call it that, that my cat only chose one place other than the litter 
box. I only pray it gets better for you! Bless you for sticking it 
out! I had people tell me they would have put down a cat that was 
doing what mine did! That’s just horrifying!


But, I also agree with you Nina about not listening to those who are 
not as experienced—and I certainly am not experienced. I’m very new to 
medicating cats—I’ve only recently had special needs with Bandit and 
then with the 3 rescues this week. I’m learning quite a bit. So, if 
anyone thinks what I am doing is wrong—don’t hesitate to let me know! 
I won’t take it personally if you don’t take my ignorance personally! 
I’m trying to learn quickly. By the way, what is this Flagyl? Melissa








Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch

2007-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you want to find a local retailer for a particular brand of cat food, just 
search
for the company website, and MOST have a locate a store near you option. Or, 
just
go to your local store and ASK if they can carry one of those brands I 
mentioned (or
which-ever brand you decide to use). Outside that, if you must buy online (the
shipping $ is astronomical) I suggest http://petfooddirect.com as they have a 
good
selection of brands.

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources




Re: OT-ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Kelly L

At 11:07 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:


I did check in to those tile floors with the 
center drain but it cannot be done, it is against 
the codes...seems the methane gas come back at you,,

I have no carpet..lots of moping and a god sense of humor...
Kelly Lane
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com




Hi Melissa,

It is really my fault he pees.  He always, always used his litterbox
until I insisted on bringing a  LOT of animals into the house.

He's letting me know he's mad.:p

Flagyl is for diarrhea and giardia and maybe some other stuff in cats.
The generic name is metronidazole, I believe.  My understanding is
that it is very, very bitter.   My vet was surprised I could get
Flagyl pills down anyone.  I did get them down them, but my hands were
constantly clawed up.

Shimmer just doesn't want to take ANY pills.  I have other cats that
are much easier to pill.  Joey is not hard to pill at all.

I have had to give up some things like having people over ever...I
think we are going to work on a better solution...like a building with
TILE floors..and a drain in the middlethat would be my dream
situation.:)

There are so many tinies who just need a few weeks, or max of a few
months...then they are adopted almost right away...there's got to be
somewhere to stash them.

Kelley

On 4/10/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Kelly, I feel so bad for you after you've described your troubles—your cats
do much more random peeing than my Bandit used to. He only went in the heat
vent (very nice) or on top of it once we covered it with plastic and all
sorts of contraptions. I think I tried EVERYTHING before my vet suggested
the prozac. Like you, I found that Feliway was interesting to my cats, but
did nothing to their behavior. I'm so sorry that your babies are difficult
to pill. Bandit just opens up and swallows very obediently. Unlike yours, he
hears the bottle opening and usually comes into the kitchen—weird I know.
I'm not sure what his pills taste like, but he must be okay with them—or
else he's just very excited to please—plus he gets extra love and attention
when he takes his medicine—that could be why. You must be a very patient and
loving person to have dealt with so much trouble this long! I know how
exhausting and frustrating it can be! Plus, I'd find myself crawling around
the floor with my nose ridiculously sniffing the carpet J, very embarrassing
if anyone came over! But, I was relieved, if you could call it that, that my
cat only chose one place other than the litter box. I only pray it gets
better for you! Bless you for sticking it out! I had people tell me they
would have put down a cat that was doing what mine did! That's just
horrifying!

But, I also agree with you Nina about not listening to those who are not as
experienced—and I certainly am not experienced. I'm very new to medicating
cats—I've only recently had special needs with Bandit and then with the 3
rescues this week. I'm learning quite a bit. So, if anyone thinks what I am
doing is wrong—don't hesitate to let me know! I won't take it personally if
you don't take my ignorance personally! I'm trying to learn quickly. By the
way, what is this Flagyl?  Melissa



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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Joey!
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Re: pungent urine

2007-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That brings an idea to mind for my if I ever hit the lottery cat sanctuary. I 
think
I will make one litter room, and have it with a big overhead door on one whole
wall, facing outside, then, I'll fill it with horse stall shavings, and when 
it's
nasty (probably ever other or every 3 days - maybe once a week if I don't have 
a lot
of cats), I will just lock the cats out, open the overhead door, and use my 
front-end
loader (or bobcat) to strip it out, make a manure pile (again, horse facility 
type of
management) out in the back 40 somewhere, bring in the hose, and spray it out 
(I'll
make it all washable, with a concrete floor that grades to the outside wall), 
turn on
a big fan to dry it, and then add new shavings, close the outside door, go in 
and
unlock the cat doors so they can access it again, and be done with it.

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources




Re: pungent urine

2007-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
He may be dehydrated, which will make the urine more concentrated. Feeding
better (no corn or by-products) food will also help with the smell, but it
will take at least a week to smell any difference if it's food related.

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources


Re: OT - ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've had similar issues with compounding pharmacies. Try 
http://drsfostersmith.com I
believe they still do compounding, and they were actually competent after my 
last
frustrating attempt to use the one my vet recommended.

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources




Re: CLS - Jacksonville FL shelter cats

2007-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've not heard from the shelter yet, I'm sure they are too busy trying to
recover to check email. Last I heard, it was 5 cats that survived, and all
but 2 dogs survived. But we don't know which ones.

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources


Re: Nonie is the name

2007-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You had previously TRUSTED normal window screens?! No, they are totally NOT
cat-safe. What I have done is use chicken wire to cover my windows. If
you're not too high class or part of a fancy community, you can use a staple
gun (the large, construction type, not a office stapler - or use U nails or
U tacks with a hammer) and just tack it right onto the frames (inside is
better than outside, as the cat is pushing against the frame that way, not
just against the wire and staples). You can trim it to size with wire nips,
but be sure to cut it close, so there's not little sharp wire points to get
hurt on. OR, if you have any carpentry skills, you can build your own
chicken wire frames, just sandwich a sheet of wire between to wood frames,
and screw them together. I hang these by attaching them at the top of the
window frame (inside the house) with 3 hinges, so they can be swung up to
open and close the window, then I set two screws into the side of the window
frame on either side, and loop fabric hair ties (you know, hair rubber
bands) through the wire on either side of the wire screen, and then loop
those over the side screws to make it so the cats can't swing the frame open
themselves. I have a picture that kinda shows part of it, if you want to see
what type of wire I mean, email me directly and I'll attach it in a reply
(images wont come through on this list). [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources


Re: pungent urine

2007-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you just prop lattice up against the screen frame, be aware that some
screens will actually pop out if pushed on too hard (many are designed to so
to make escaping fire easier). Be sure yours are nice and secure before you
trust it too much. Definitely don't just lean it against the screen itself
and trust it, if he tries at all, it will pop the whole screen right out of
it's frame, and out goes screen, lattice, cat, and all. If you have deep
window sills/frames, another pre-made option is a baby gate, just be sure
it's got holes small enough to hold in a cat.

Oh, and yes, tom cat pee stinks to high heaven. It should be MUCH better in
another week. Sometimes the actual CAT reeks after a neuter, and requires a
post-neuter bath. Whitey had to have one, he was icky! My vet says after one
week, it's OK to bathe the cat (you don't want to do it before then since
the neuter leaves an open wound and bath water can carry nasty gak into it).

I usually totally dislike clumping litters, but that would probably help a
lot, if you could remove the PEE from the box regularly by scooping. Just be
sure it doesn't stick to his neuter sore. I like the Feline Fresh brand
scoopable, but other good, safe brands are World's Best cat Litter, and
SWheat Scoop.

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources


Re: OT - Clavamox

2007-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, my BF is a retired coke dealer, but he got out of it over 2 decades ago, 
and
the scales are long gone, LOL... or I would donate them to your cause. His 
glory
days stories are very amusing to me. This was long before I ever met him.

Phaewryn

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Re: OT - Clavamox

2007-04-10 Thread TenHouseCats

(i can just see it now as he goes to the bank every year to speak with
his broker about his pension plan..)

i live in a university town, and let me tell you, you can buy all the same
paraphernalia now that you could back in the old days--scales, pipes, velvet
paintings, psychedelia etc.  i have seriously considered trying to get a
scale for legit purposes. with my luck, tho, i'd get busted, and end up
spending what little money i have trying to defend myself against
cat-drug-possession charges!

On 4/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Well, my BF is a retired coke dealer, but he got out of it over 2 decades
ago, and
the scales are long gone, LOL... or I would donate them to your cause. His
glory
days stories are very amusing to me. This was long before I ever met him.

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources






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Re: batch emails how to change your settings to individual emails

2007-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Go to this page:
http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/Felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Scroll down to the very bottom, and see where it has an area to enter your
email address right below where it says To unsubscribe from Felvtalk, get a
password reminder, or change your subscription options enter your
subscription email address
Enter your email address there, and click the button beside it that says
unsubscribe or edit options.

That will take you to another page. The TOP place to enter anything on that
page is for your password, enter your password there, and click the button
under it that says log in.
(NOTE that if you do not know, or have forgotten your password, the option
to have it mailed to you is ALSO on this page, at the bottom!)

This takes you to a page that has lots of different things on it. There are
headings in yellowish/tanish colored areas, look for these, find the 4th
heading down, the one that says Your Felvtalk Subscription Options, below
that one there are areas that are darker grey, the first one says this:

Mail delivery
Set this option to Enabled to receive messages posted to this mailing list.
Set it to Disabled if you want to stay subscribed, but don't want mail
delivered to you for a while (e.g. you're going on vacation). If you disable
mail delivery, don't forget to re-enable it when you come back; it will not
be automatically re-enabled.

There are little checkboxes beside that, click the one that says enabled.
This makes it so you get the messages.

The NEXT section below that is where you change your settings from batch
emails to individual emails. They call these batches Digest Mode. So,
look at where it says this:

Set Digest Mode
If you turn digest mode on, you'll get posts bundled together (usually one
per day but possibly more on busy lists), instead of singly when they're
sent. If digest mode is changed from on to off, you may receive one last
digest.

There are little checkboxes beside that, click the one that says off. This
makes it so you don't get digest, or batch emails.

Then just scroll down to the bottom of the page and click the button that
says submit my changes.

Phaewryn

(the volunteer group tech support personnel, LOL)

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Nutro Max tainted...

2007-04-10 Thread Chris
It doesn't end-privately arranged testing shows melanite in canned Nutro
Max.  Aren't these companies doing any testing!!!

 

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Re: Nutro Max tainted...

2007-04-10 Thread Nina
Does anyone have the ingredients list for the varieties of Nutro Max 
that were third party tested?  (Nutro Max gourmet classics: Chicken 
Cacciatore, California Chicken Supreme and Lamb  Turkey Cutlets).  I 
wish the article would have told us outright if they have wheat gluten 
in them, (thanks Chris for posting it).  I'm staying away from anything 
with wheat gluten period, (recall list or no recall list).  It kills me 
that the majority of media coverage is still quoting the FDA about 15 
confirmed deaths.  I understand the cya type of bureaucracy involved, 
but couldn't they give the public a hint about just how widespread this 
situation really is?  I'm still coming across clients that haven't a 
clue about how dangerous it is to feed pet food without reading the label.
Nina 


Chris wrote:


It doesn't end---privately arranged testing shows melanite in canned 
Nutro Max...  Aren't these companies doing any testing!!!


 


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Re: Laurel

2007-04-10 Thread elizabeth trent

Sherry - don't feel bad...that sounds just like something I would do.
Prayers still going up for her.

elizabeth


On 4/10/07, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Ok so I'm thinking that this might be a first.I feel like an idiot!! I
e-mailes Jen last night to see what happened with Laurel.Well to find out
that she is still with us!! Teaches me to listen to someone else. I think
she is still having major issues,so I just sent an e-mail to her daddy to
see whats happening.So please keep her in your prayers.Sorry about the add
to cls post.I feel so stupid!!
Sherry

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Re: Many to add to prayers

2007-04-10 Thread elizabeth trent

Prayers going up for you and your sweet babies, Sherry.

elizabeth


On 4/9/07, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi everyone,I need to ask for ALOT of prayers for a few of my sanctuary
babies.
Nathaniel,sweet handsome tiger and whit boy is terribly anemic and at
Jens.
Spencer,cute little tiger is a bit bloated and at tha clinic.
Cassandra,sweet little black girl not eating well and a bit lethargig and
is at the clinic.
Camilla,crazy tortie seems to be coming down with something.
Miller,sweet tiger seems under the weather.
And Milton our new black and white handsome boy is coming down with
something too.I TOTALLY fell in love with this boy tonight as soon as I
seen his face. :)
Sorry for the big list but you wonderful people have the power of good
thoughts.
Thank you soo much once AGAIN
Sherry and her many furry friends

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Re: Nutro Max tainted...

2007-04-10 Thread Marylyn
www.Petfooddirect.com lists the ingredients.  There is wheat gluten in the 
California Chicken Supreme.  I did not check the others.  I suspect it will be 
9 life times before Dixie sees grain again.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Nina 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:47 PM
  Subject: Re: Nutro Max tainted...


  Does anyone have the ingredients list for the varieties of Nutro Max that 
were third party tested?  (Nutro Max gourmet classics: Chicken Cacciatore, 
California Chicken Supreme and Lamb  Turkey Cutlets).  I wish the article 
would have told us outright if they have wheat gluten in them, (thanks Chris 
for posting it).  I'm staying away from anything with wheat gluten period, 
(recall list or no recall list).  It kills me that the majority of media 
coverage is still quoting the FDA about 15 confirmed deaths.  I understand 
the cya type of bureaucracy involved, but couldn't they give the public a hint 
about just how widespread this situation really is?  I'm still coming across 
clients that haven't a clue about how dangerous it is to feed pet food without 
reading the label.
  Nina  

  Chris wrote: 
It doesn't end-privately arranged testing shows melanite in canned Nutro 
Max.  Aren't these companies doing any testing!!! 

 

http://origin.marinij.com/marin/ci_5631579 


Re: Nutro Max tainted...

2007-04-10 Thread Marylyn
Additional:  I randomly checked a few others:  all had wheat gluten in them.  





 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Nina 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:47 PM
  Subject: Re: Nutro Max tainted...


  Does anyone have the ingredients list for the varieties of Nutro Max that 
were third party tested?  (Nutro Max gourmet classics: Chicken Cacciatore, 
California Chicken Supreme and Lamb  Turkey Cutlets).  I wish the article 
would have told us outright if they have wheat gluten in them, (thanks Chris 
for posting it).  I'm staying away from anything with wheat gluten period, 
(recall list or no recall list).  It kills me that the majority of media 
coverage is still quoting the FDA about 15 confirmed deaths.  I understand 
the cya type of bureaucracy involved, but couldn't they give the public a hint 
about just how widespread this situation really is?  I'm still coming across 
clients that haven't a clue about how dangerous it is to feed pet food without 
reading the label.
  Nina  

  Chris wrote: 
It doesn't end-privately arranged testing shows melanite in canned Nutro 
Max.  Aren't these companies doing any testing!!! 

 

http://origin.marinij.com/marin/ci_5631579 


Re: Nutro Max tainted...

2007-04-10 Thread Kelley Saveika

Crap.  I JUST bought some nutro max kitten.  Guess I will take it back
tomorrrow.  I had to buy KMR so I got some, normally I do not buy cat
food in Petsmart...

On 4/10/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Additional:  I randomly checked a few others:  all had wheat gluten in them.






 If you
have men who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the
shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal
likewise with their fellow man.

  St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: Nina
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Nutro Max tainted...

Does anyone have the ingredients list for the varieties of Nutro Max that
were third party tested?  (Nutro Max gourmet classics: Chicken Cacciatore,
California Chicken Supreme and Lamb  Turkey Cutlets).  I wish the article
would have told us outright if they have wheat gluten in them, (thanks Chris
for posting it).  I'm staying away from anything with wheat gluten period,
(recall list or no recall list).  It kills me that the majority of media
coverage is still quoting the FDA about 15 confirmed deaths.  I understand
the cya type of bureaucracy involved, but couldn't they give the public a
hint about just how widespread this situation really is?  I'm still coming
across clients that haven't a clue about how dangerous it is to feed pet
food without reading the label.
Nina

Chris wrote:


It doesn't end—privately arranged testing shows melanite in canned Nutro
Max…  Aren't these companies doing any testing!!!



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Re: Update on Jax cats and dogs

2007-04-10 Thread dede hicken

I am heading for bed, but I just called a friend who
is a HS volunteer.  He was working with them to find
homes for 4 feleuk+ cats.  He said Scooter was an
orange tabby?  Right now he has no info, but the cats
were housed in a room near the cattery.

This morning they found a cat sitting on top of the
rubble.  Later today they discovered a black kitten
peeping through the rubble. Later a large gray one
came running out of the woods and sat where his cage
had been.  He was VERY hungry!  These 3 are fine. 
That brings the total to at least 11 who have
survived. 4 of the survivors are in critical care, and
the local vets have all chipped in with supplies.  The
other cats that did survive have all been adopted by
volunteers saying they will never be in a cage again

The young fireman who was hurt did not leave when the
command was given.  They ran through the cat area
opening cages, then smashing windows and breaking open
doors trying to shoo them out.  He went back in the
last time to grab 2 puppies, and the roof caved in on
him.  I will tell you how to contact him tomorrow.

Fire started in the dryer.  Word is that either lint
caught fire, or the timer failed and it overheated.

Never leave a dryer on when you're away!

Will keep you posted.

Dede

When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service 
of your God
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RE: OT-ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Melissa Lind
Kelly Lane-I love your pictures of your cattery! How wonderful! If only I
could afford that! Someday. But, let's hope the locals don't get angry
because of zoning and whatnot. I live in a town of 800 people, and it just
depends as to what will set people off! I've printed lots of pictures from
your site to save in my dream folder. What great ideas you have! Melissa



Re: pungent urine

2007-04-10 Thread Melissa Lind
Phaewryn, you have such useful advice! My screen is in no danger of falling
out-unfortunately mine are so old that they have no fire safety mechanisms!
Well, our house really isn't that old, but it was built cheaply in the early
80s. The people didn't care much for quick escapes! Someday I'll have to
replace them anyway, but for now I'll probably use the lattice-work idea
just because although chicken wire would work, this window faces the
street-not a fancy neighborhood, but lots of gossips.

 

By the way, I like your horse barn idea! Can we use the manure as
fertilizer :-) Ha! Ha! My husband deals with that sort of fertilizer and
agriculture (spreading it on fields)-people spend millions on just buying
the stuff. Only wish I could sell cat waste for the same.we'd all be rich! 

Melissa



Re: Update on Jax cats and dogs

2007-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh, I'm so happy to hear more survivors are being found. Yes, Scooter was an 
orange
tabby, skinny, and looked like he may have had an eye issue in one eye. That 
fireman
is truly a hero, and deserves to be recognized. I definitely wish to send him a 
card,
at least. That one cat coming back and sitting in the rubble in the location 
where
his cage was is so touching. I hope he has a good home now!

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources




Re: pungent urine (totally OT now - sorry)

2007-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You must have not been here for the now infamous toxi-feli-poo discussion.
Search the archives, LOL! Look for the subject makes men dumb, women sexy
I think that was the subject. It was totally OT. Oh heck, here it is:
http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/msg24127.html
and my reply:
http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/msg24129.html

So, yeah, we've been seeking a market for cat poo for a while... other than
as a dog treat, of course.

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources


sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.

2007-04-10 Thread TenHouseCats

www.howl911.com

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Re: pungent urine (totally OT now - sorry)

2007-04-10 Thread elizabeth trent

ROFL - that was a classic :0)

On 4/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 You must have not been here for the now infamous toxi-feli-poo
discussion. Search the archives, LOL! Look for the subject makes men dumb,
women sexy I think that was the subject. It was totally OT. Oh heck, here
it is:
http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/msg24127.html
and my reply:
http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/msg24129.html

So, yeah, we've been seeking a market for cat poo for a while... other
than as a dog treat, of course.

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources



RE: OT-ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy

2007-04-10 Thread Kelly L

At 06:45 PM 4/10/2007, you wrote:


Thank you.. It just sort of grew..

Fortunately I have 1.5 acres and do not live in 
the city. I also do not give my address out, .If 
you have a back yard you could start with 
something small, Use a bit of shade cloth and 
that nice llattice and tell people you have a hot 
house or small english garden,, and never invite anyone over!!

Kelly


Kelly Lane­I love your pictures of your cattery! 
How wonderful! If only I could afford that! 
Someday… But, let’s hope the locals don’t get 
angry because of zoning and whatnot. I live in a 
town of 800 people, and it just depends as to 
what will set people off! I’ve printed lots of 
pictures from your site to save in my dream 
folder. What great ideas you have! Melissa



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Re: Nutro Max tainted...

2007-04-10 Thread Marylyn
I'd love to have the turkey recipe.  Dixie is getting lots of various (chicken, 
turkey, mackerel, beef) meats + Transfer Factor Feline Complete + Barley Cat.  
Short term this is fine but I need to make sure her diet is balanced.

Thanks






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: TenHouseCats 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Nutro Max tainted...


  yeah, i'm wondering when it's gonna get posted--tho she was very 
professional, and refused to post any recipes per se! hee hee. gave 
references, and basics, tho.


  On 4/10/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kelley,
You have to do what makes you feel comfortable, but I don't think it
matters as much which brand as what ingredients...  Does the kitten food
have wheat gluten in it?

I have a homemade goat's milk kitten formula I've used with great 
success for bottle babies.  I also feed Gypsy, my IBD girl a homemade
turkey diet.  If you'd like either recipe, let me know and I'll send
them to you off list.  I'm looking forward to MC's homemade chat list 
transcript, (like Belinda, I meant to tune in and missed it).
Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:
 Crap.  I JUST bought some nutro max kitten.  Guess I will take it back
 tomorrrow.  I had to buy KMR so I got some, normally I do not buy cat 
 food in Petsmart...

 On 4/10/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Additional:  I randomly checked a few others:  all had wheat gluten 
 in them.






  If you
 have men who will exclude any of God's creatures 
  from the
 shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
  will deal
 likewise with their fellow man. 

   St. Francis
 - Original Message -
 From: Nina
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:47 PM 
 Subject: Re: Nutro Max tainted...

 Does anyone have the ingredients list for the varieties of Nutro Max
 that
 were third party tested?  (Nutro Max gourmet classics: Chicken 
 Cacciatore,
 California Chicken Supreme and Lamb  Turkey Cutlets).  I wish the
 article
 would have told us outright if they have wheat gluten in them,
 (thanks Chris 
 for posting it).  I'm staying away from anything with wheat gluten
 period,
 (recall list or no recall list).  It kills me that the majority of media
 coverage is still quoting the FDA about 15 confirmed deaths.  I 
 understand
 the cya type of bureaucracy involved, but couldn't they give the
 public a
 hint about just how widespread this situation really is?  I'm still
 coming 
 across clients that haven't a clue about how dangerous it is to feed pet
 food without reading the label.
 Nina

 Chris wrote:


 It doesn't end—privately arranged testing shows melanite in canned Nutro 
 Max…  Aren't these companies doing any testing!!!



 http://origin.marinij.com/marin/ci_5631579 









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  Maybe That'll Make The Difference

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