Question about URI's since you are good with them...I
have a 6-7 month old boy in my basement I am trying to
nurse with a URI. He is on Clavimox/Amoxicilin I
think that is what it is called...it is a liquid...I
am also running a vaporizer for him 24 hours around
the clock. I did have vinegar in
I would go with zikthromax. Clavamox and amoxicillin are just not strong
enough alone for stubborn problems. And the only time I use a vaporizer is
when there is a lot of congestion and the cat is having a lot of problems
breathing. Never heard of the vinegar before and it sounds pretty foul
I have not ruled out anything. My rescue can't afford necropsies on
each kitten:(.
They *all* seem much, much better after the switch to zithro. But it
is only the snowshoe I'm convinced died of URI.
On 5/7/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have you ruled out panleukopenia?
These
The mom who stopped nursing was vaccinated late term. I cannot
prevent rabies vaccinations from happening; it is against the law to
transfer an animal out of a public shelter without it. Even if it
would kill the animal.
However, she appears to have started both eating and nursing again.
I use nebulizers (not vaporizers) with medicine in them..not water...I
have heard some people take cats into the bathroom with them when they
shower, too.
Here's the nebulizer I made (well, I didn't make the one in the pic,
but one very similar).
http://catnipkids.homestead.com/nebulizer.html
Who can afford necropsies? Does the shelter have a history of panleuk (many
have it every year). Do they bleach-clean cages, move cats from cage to cage,
put multiple cats from different places in the same cage? Do they vaccinate on
intake?
What is the vaccination history on the
What is Zithromax and where do I get it from? My vet
gave the medicine and if the URI's get worse they
usually give Baytril but his isn't real bad...just
stuffy and that persistent cough.
Sheryl
--- Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would go with zikthromax. Clavamox and
I can ask if they have a history of it.
They say they bleach clean cages.
I will tell you what happens, though. Litters get mixed up. If a
good sam brings in some found kittens, who knows if they were ever
from the same litter to begin with. If they are owner surrenders, who
can say if they
I have a friend that swears Transfer Factor (an immune regulator) saved
the life of a cat of hers with panleuk. I've used it in the past too.
Lance on the list thinks it helps his Ember. Anyway, it couldn't hurt
to try it. Most of my guys like the flavor, I mix it with baby food.
Here's
susan, if this were panleuk, wouldn't it be presenting more with rapid
decline from fairly uncontrollable diarrhea? this sounds to me more like the
boomeranging basic uri from not-too-hardy-to-begin-with kitties (whom i
think should have been put on zithro right away, not that her vet asked!
Yes, i have a few who have had a little diarrhea. They have been
treated with albon and it is pretty much cleared up.
They look SOOO much better today.
The ones upstairs in the bathroom I was doing a great job of
isolating. Then they got large enough to want to explore, while still
being
What do you put on their eyes? I was told to use
neosporin and it will clear up their eyes and it has
worked wonders with my kittens...their eyes are as
clear as they should be...
--- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, i have a few who have had a little diarrhea.
They have been
Sheryl,
Kelley and Susan are talking about Terramycin ointment, (you can get it
otc at better pet supply stores). I've never heard of using regular
topical neosporin in somebody's eyes. I would have been uncomfortable
trying that. BNP, (bacitracin, polymixin, neomycin) is available with a
I was told to use it by a vet tech. I was hesitant to
try it, but did on 2 of the babies. I didn't rub it
on their eyes themselves, just around them. Within
hours the eyes were cleared up and the yuckies have
not come back...
--- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sheryl,
Kelley and Susan are
I would be afraid to use topical neosporin. I love BNP but also keep plenty of
terramycin and saline solution on hand.
Sheryl Spagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was told to use it by a vet tech. I
was hesitant to
try it, but did on 2 of the babies. I didn't rub it
on their eyes themselves, just
Panleuk will kill within 7-10 days tops.
If the shelter vaccinated the momcat while she was nursing, that can explain
a lot. That can hamper milk production and bring on a uri that was dormant
before.
I usually go straight to zith when dealing with shelter uris, maybe zith and
I read on the net that some breeders, (dog breeders that is), use
regular crazy glue the way you would surgical glue for cuts that may
otherwise require a stitch or two, (using it on themselves as well). We
should look for a book that lists household remedies for common
veterinary problems.
Ok, I have to say that would be too much for my comfort level (with my
cats or me!):)
On 5/8/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I read on the net that some breeders, (dog breeders that is), use
regular crazy glue the way you would surgical glue for cuts that may
otherwise require a stitch or
It isn't panleuk, then. I have not brought anyone new in 2 weeks.
Just pray the rest of them live. They seem so much better after the
zithro.
I can't believe you have never lost anyone to shelter URI. I have
much to learn from you. I lost 1 per litter last year.
They didn't vaccinate her
Isn't that funny? I have had NO luck with BNP. I went through an
entire bottle with no results at all. Terramycin works so much better
for me. I wonder if it is the strain of URI?
On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would be afraid to use topical neosporin. I love BNP but
OMG Phaewryn, YOU ARE A GODSEND!! You posted my boys last night and already I
have a home for Bruschi and possibly one for Jadon as well! Someone very close
by me saw them on Petfinder and fell in love with both but thinks Bruschi will
be the perfect match for her FELV+ female 7 month old
My vet tells me terramycin is good for herpes eye infections. He has
prescribed ghentimycin for corneal ulcers. He prescribes the BNP for other eye
infections and irritations.
Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't that funny? I have had NO luck
with BNP. I went through an
entire
Who told you it is the law? What state/county are you in? In California,
different counties have different requirements re rabies vaccinations but all
those counties that do require a vaccine will allow a vet to temporarily waive
the requirement for sound medical reasons. If the law is
My veterinarian told me it was against the law to have animals not
vaccinated against rabies. I tend to believe him since it is his
license on the line, and I've never looked up the state code. I just
tried to look it up, see if this is it.
Maybe this is all herpes then? Sigh.
On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My vet tells me terramycin is good for herpes eye infections. He has
prescribed ghentimycin for corneal ulcers. He prescribes the BNP for other
eye infections and irritations.
Kelley Saveika [EMAIL
are you guys using ointment or drops?
i now use ointment as often as i can, because it last longers (takes longer
for the tears to wash it away, basically)
and i've used the plain neosporin one whole episode through
misunderstand. worked anyway
ah, the things (and ways!) we learn!
Deb,
I'm pleased to hear you have potential adopters for your boys. I'm
hoping that someone will adopt them together. Tell those folks to come
join us here!
Forgive me for responding without reading your previous posts, you may
already have addressed this, but... I am one of the people
Terramycin i use ointment..triple antibiotic I use drops...Sometimes I
have to have drops so i can get them in the nose, though I guess I
could use both.
On 5/8/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
are you guys using ointment or drops?
i now use ointment as often as i can, because it
there's lots of places, susan, where rabies vaccinations are mandatory--and
even where strictly they're not, more and more vets are acting as if they
are. even one of mine that i've been working with for years won't treat
anyone without PROOF of rabies vaccination.
in certain states--and i
Often when I take my cats to the free s/n place they vaccinate them
*even when* i provide proof.
On 5/8/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
there's lots of places, susan, where rabies vaccinations are mandatory--and
even where strictly they're not, more and more vets are acting as if
yeah, drops are good for the nose addition, for sure! (unless you're working
with persians, in which case you can't always FIND the nose.)
On 5/8/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Terramycin i use ointment..triple antibiotic I use drops...Sometimes I
have to have drops so i can
Accidental over-vaccination for rabies is what caused my Gypsy's IBD.
We almost lost her and to this day battle the consequences. Grab the
vets by the shirt collar, look them in the eye and make sure they hear
you when you tell them they have already been vaccinated!
Nina
Kelley Saveika
MC, have I told you lately how glad I am that you are active on this
list? Along with your freely sharing all that hard earned wisdom, no
matter what is going on you seem always able to wrestle a snort of
laughter out of me.
Nina
MaryChristine wrote:
yeah, drops are good for the nose
My fellow rescuer/friend just called me to let me know
an organization in Chicago will take in all of our
babies with the momma. They have a whole room
dedicated for FeLV kitties and right now it is
empty...My friend was so happy about this but I am
kind of mixed and I not sure why...they will
I take the paper and the metal tag in, and 50% of the time they give
me another paper and another metal tag when I come to get them out
*argh*.
On 5/8/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Accidental over-vaccination for rabies is what caused my Gypsy's IBD.
We almost lost her and to this day
just heard of a groomer who cut off a dog's ear and tried to reattach it
with superglue and never mentioned it to the owners--til the ear fell out
and they were a little upset.
On 5/8/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, I have to say that would be too much for my comfort level
:::blushes (but have you ever TRIED to find the nose-holes on an
extreme-faced persian? and forget all you know about pilling the little
beasts--their mouths are so tiny, it's hard to get your finger in there, and
the back of their throats and the front are barely any distance apart..)
I love the doll faced persians myself, one day I will have one:)
On 5/8/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:::blushes (but have you ever TRIED to find the nose-holes on an
extreme-faced persian? and forget all you know about pilling the little
beasts--their mouths are so tiny, it's
yep, they're a LITTLE easier to medicate but after being at the
sanctuary, i can medicate ANYTHING--except my own cats! them it's still a
struggle
On 5/8/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I love the doll faced persians myself, one day I will have one:)
On 5/8/07,
hi, sheryl, could we ask which organization in chicago?
sanctuaries are NOT as good as forever homes, but they surely beat the
alternative. if the sanctuary has the time and resources to actively work on
adopting them out, then they may still find their forever homes--but i know
that the felvs
Oh, well, it isn't that they are easier to medicate, it is just that I
want one:)
On 5/8/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
yep, they're a LITTLE easier to medicate but after being at the
sanctuary, i can medicate ANYTHING--except my own cats! them it's still a
struggle
On
Kelley,
Pardon me, but are you crazy? (Look who's talking). Have you never
heard the saying Be careful what you wish for? Not that I have
anything against Persians of any nose length, but com'on girl, you have
your paws full already!
Nina
Kelley Saveika wrote:
Oh, well, it isn't that
Hi,
The place is called friends of strays and I guess it
isn't located in Chicago, but I think near. If you
have heard anything about them please let me
know...Here is their website...
www.geocities.com/friendsofstraysshelter.
there is no way I can keep one...I made a promise to
my boyfriend no
I'm waiting until I am no longer actively rescuing. I will also then
get a Samoyed:) Probably when I'm 70. Then the Samoyed rescue people
will not adopt me one cuz I'm too old.:p
On 5/8/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kelley,
Pardon me, but are you crazy? (Look who's talking). Have you
and it's not like she isn't in close contact with at least two persian
rescuers that i know of..
On 5/8/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kelley,
Pardon me, but are you crazy? (Look who's talking). Have you never
heard the saying Be careful what you wish for? Not that I have
anything
I love Samoyeds...I rescue and own American Eskimo's
which are a smaller version of the Samoyed...they are
so beautiful!!
Sheryl
--- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm waiting until I am no longer actively rescuing.
I will also then
get a Samoyed:) Probably when I'm 70. Then the
I am new to the list and need some advice. We have a number of ferals in our
neighborhood and there has been an effort to trap/spay-neuter as many as
possible. I have been successful in turning two of them into great house cats.
One was negative and vaccinated at 6 months of age. She is
No do not put any kittens to sleep because there is a pos test.
1. They may not be pos.
2. I am confused about the original test. It is not common to test a
kitty twice, especially one who was injured and is dying. Was the
kitty tested before death? Really confused about this part.
3.
i'm sorry, a FERAL ragdoll? that's almost as oxymoronic as a feral persian!
most raggies need to take classes to even learn how to hiss and growl
okay, to get serious. (me?)
have to agree with kelley.
sounds to ME that if a vet did a second snap test right away, it's because
they were
Not only would I not consider pts those babies, I'd like to go punch
your vet in the nose. It sounds like there is a question about whether
that brave momma was actually pos herself, let alone the babies. So
many vets are so outdated in the way they deal with felv. It used to be
a common
Oh please do not put this kittens to sleep!! I would look into another vet. I
have three 9 month old kitties that are positive and to date very healthy. I
think you need to look for a cat savy vet. The testing done on the mom sounds
suspcious to say the least.
Deb H.
Deana K. Wagoner
I really think the ragdoll was dumped and just took up with the ferals. She certainly stood out from the crowd! She adapted to indoor life nicely and hasn't wanted to venture out again after finding soft furniture and beds to lounge on!
The deal with the testing really does haveme baffled.
I
For what it matters my alternative vet swears by the stuff.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion
and pity, you will have men who
Hi Deana --
I don't have any experience with cat-only vets, but I would think by
definition that they would have to be closer to the cutting edge on
advances in feline medicine because that's their livelihood. I would
suggest calling around and asking what they would do with a positive
cat. If
theoretically, they SHOULD be more aware.
go to www.adopt.bemikitties.com and see if there are any FeLV friendly vets
listed in your area.. also, call the cat-only place and ask what their
attitude is toward FeLVs!
On 5/8/07, Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Deana --
I
That's why I was asking specifically where. Sometimes you just have to walk in
with the relevant code section or regulation and show them where the law says
they have discretion for certain medical conditions.
On 5/8/07, MaryChristine wrote:
there's lots of places, susan, where rabies
I prefer ointment for the eyes
Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terramycin i use ointment..triple
antibiotic I use drops...Sometimes I
have to have drops so i can get them in the nose, though I guess I
could use both.
On 5/8/07, MaryChristine wrote:
are you guys using ointment or
I did not see anything like that in the law I read. If you see
something, please let me know.
On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's why I was asking specifically where. Sometimes you just have to walk
in with the relevant code section or regulation and show them where the
What law did you read. (Did I miss an email with a citation?)
Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not see anything like that in
the law I read. If you see
something, please let me know.
On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman wrote:
That's why I was asking specifically where. Sometimes you just
I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the law.
It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can
find something please let me know.
http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/idcu/health/zoonosis/laws/vaccine/
On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your
vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are
otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the
privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a
waiver. Now, getting
It varies from state to state and county to county. I'm in northern California.
Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a
written wavier from your
vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are
otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't
I missed the beginning of this - but my vet was completely fine with not giving
the boys their 3 yr rabies shot as they never go outside AND they have an
in-house waiver that parents have to sign when they choose not to give the
rabies vacc for whatever reason.
Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El
All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law
requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal on
the spot. No waivers.
Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all...
On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It varies from state to state and county to
Oh man Kelley, I would absolutely not take his word for that. That
doesn't even make any sense, not that laws have to make sense. I would
find where in writing it mandates, or stipulates that an animal, even in
dire medical condition, must be subjected to rabies inoculations. You
could
and if you're in a state/locality where it is mandatory, and you do NOT have
that waiver, and your cat bites someone, or a bat is found on your property,
they can seize and euthanize your cats with total impunity. so i always
suggest that people find out the rules where they are--and if they're
i don't think she's wrong, nina. states with higher incidences of
rabies--now or in the past--don't even want to mess around.
On 5/8/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh man Kelley, I would absolutely not take his word for that. That
doesn't even make any sense, not that laws have to make
I think they can even seize and euthanize your cats IF THEY ARE VACCINATED.
From
http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=Rapp=9p_dir=p_rloc=p_tloc=p_ploc=pg=1p_tac=ti=25pt=1ch=169rl=30
(b) Currently vaccinated animals which have been bitten or otherwise
significantly
Hmmm. But RULE ยง169.29 specifically excludes shelters...I wonder why
I'm at work right now but let me do some research later and see what I can
find.
Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the law.
It says nothing
I'd get a new vet. Usually the law requires the owner to get the
vaccination, not the vet to give it regardless. I'd also check with the
state agency regulating vets (or, better yet, have a non-pet owning friend
do the checking under his/her name). In Ky the waivers can be obtained
based on
In a message dated 5/8/07 1:34:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
yeah, drops are good for the nose addition, for sure!
MC, again, you are a wealth of wisdom
And, I remember [SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!!] using the drops nasally when I
was active w/ shelter.
I was
This varries from state to state and county to county. And Texas being Texas,
this may be true.
Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd get a new vet. Usually the law requires
the owner to get the
vaccination, not the vet to give it regardless. I'd also check with the
state agency regulating
Where I am [Pa} I have rabies titers drawn, documented, etc.
Since [most] of my kids are old, they do have sufficient rabies titers, and
according to whatever, they have [more than] enough to NOT have to
repeatedly be re-vaccinated.
And, their documentation works - solves the problem.
In a message dated 5/8/07 6:26:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Titers are also accepted.
Glad to see other states DO accept titers..
Hugs,
Patti her [rabies titer] gang
** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My husband went by the vet
office to pay the bill for the service provided on the stray mama that died
from the dog inflicted injuries.
The vet was not at all happy that we were not bringing the kittens to her to be
put to sleep - since she is
what happens with the snap test is that, after the blood and the testing
solution mingle for a certain amount of time (can't remember now how long,
and it may differ from brand to brand, anyway), a little colored circle
shows up. and yes, the little circle can be pale whatever-color, or
please, folks, don't assume with this--FIND OUT. i called my state's
department of health when they were threatening to take my cats away if the
bat that i KNEW they hadn't even see tested positive for rabies. (we had had
a case of rabies in my state in years at that point.) the people there were
Oh good lord, you poor thing. Poor mom cat! I'm not
an expert on these things which is why I joined this
list, but we've had positive and negative in the same
litter, and positive kittens revert to negative, and
had some negatives stay that way. Lots of love, good
food, supplements, maybe some
http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/info/releasing.htm
From Neighborhood Cats. It's well written and helped
one of our hard headed vets understand why we don't
always want them to test. She actually got it, and
said thanks after she read it.
Janine
http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/info/releasing.htm
From Neighborhood Cats. It's well written and helped
one of our hard headed vets understand why we don't
always want them to test. She actually got it, and
said thanks after she read it.
Janine
yep, but there are still TNR groups that not only test, but routinely euth
positive cats with FeLV OR FIV...
On 5/8/07, janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/info/releasing.htm
From Neighborhood Cats. It's well written and helped
one of our hard headed vets
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