Re: Plastic bags

2007-05-27 Thread Marylyn
While you are at it:  Please make sure lids from cans are completely off and 
not just bent back.  When I was working I found a little stray who was 
trying to lick a can clean and got his head stuck.  You have no idea how 
hard it is to get a panicked stray/feral's head out of a can.  I still don't 
know what the cat looked like.  Once he was freed he put a cheetah to shame 
with his speedy escape.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 10:13 PM
Subject: Plastic bags


While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all 
plastic  actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get their 
heads caught in the handles  strangle.   So please please cut those 
loops!


For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things holding 6 
paks together.  Those things have been found around the necks of seals, 
cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving them. Closer to inland 
home, small aniimals can get their heads caught in those too, or stray 
kittens which as they grow these things will tighten around their necks.


Pam







Re: Good thoughts for Caroline

2007-05-27 Thread Kelley Saveika

Well, I just got off the phone with them.  The short list of suspected
diagnoses is not good.  Dry FIP, toxoplasmosis, tumor, possibly brain
tumor.  She doesn't have the reflex to where you close your eye when
you think someone's going to poke it..forgot which reflex this is.
Her liver enzymes are a little elevated, all the rest of her bloodwork
is ok.  $700 down the drain and we don't even know what it is...

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Kelley,good thoughts and prayers going out to you and Carline.
Sherry


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I got up this morning and Carline was sick. I took her to the
hospital..she had 2 seizures in the car...they don't know what is
wrong with her but she will be staying in the ER for the weekend...it
doesn't look very good. She's lost a lot of weight and was dehydrated
w/vomiting

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Thinking of Caroline

2007-05-27 Thread dede hicken
Just wanted you to know that you both are in my
thoughts and prayers this AM.  I hope you find
positive solutions to Caroline's illness.

God bless,
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Re: Thinking of Caroline

2007-05-27 Thread Kelley Saveika

Thank you.  She's very ill.  I'm not sure the right thing to do.

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Just wanted you to know that you both are in my
thoughts and prayers this AM.  I hope you find
positive solutions to Caroline's illness.

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Re: Plastic bags

2007-05-27 Thread TatorBunz
 
 
Wow didn't think this subject would last this  long.
 
Anyway, I recycle my plastic bags. I dump dirty cat litter in  them then put 
that into the bags that the clean litter comes in. So there  isn't a smell.
 
I remember years ago one of my Mom's cats got hung up in the  handle parts 
and scared him so bad that I thought he was going to have a heart  attack. He 
went flying through the house with it stuck on his body. To top it  off he was 
a 
high strung Siamese.
I felt so bad for him.
 
In general the only time there is any plastic out is when I'm  changing the 
litter boxes or garbage cans. Tazzy just sits there and licks it.  Of course 
it's before it has the dirty litter in it.
 
In a message dated 5/26/2007 8:22:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

At 08:13  PM 5/26/2007, you wrote:

Why can we lobby to have them made of a thin  cardboard  so they will 
biodegrade..I hate them!!

While on  this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of 
all plastic   actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can 
get their  heads caught in the handles  strangle.   So please please  
cut those loops!

For the same reason, cut through the  loops of the plastic things 
holding 6 paks together.  Those  things have been found around the 
necks of seals, cutting off their  ability to swallow, thus starving 
them. Closer to inland home, small  aniimals can get their heads 
caught in those too, or stray kittens  which as they grow these 
things will tighten around their  necks.

Pam





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Re: Thinking of Caroline

2007-05-27 Thread TatorBunz
She is in my thoughts and prayers!
Hope the Vet is able to find out the cause of  this.
Take care of yourself!
 
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Re: Thinking of Caroline

2007-05-27 Thread Kelley Saveika

I guess the best option is to hope and pray it is toxioplasmosis.
Brain cancer and dry FIP aren't treatable.  I told them to go ahead
and start her on the antibiotic to treat toxioplasmosis...

Kelley

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RE: Thinking of Caroline

2007-05-27 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Kelly, I'm so sorry Caroline isn't doing well.  Best vibes that it's the
toxo and nothing worse.  Hugs to both of you.

Diane R. 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Thinking of Caroline

I guess the best option is to hope and pray it is toxioplasmosis.
Brain cancer and dry FIP aren't treatable.  I told them to go ahead and
start her on the antibiotic to treat toxioplasmosis...

Kelley

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Re: Thinking of Caroline

2007-05-27 Thread Kelley Saveika

Does toxo usually cause seizures???

On 5/27/07, Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kelly, I'm so sorry Caroline isn't doing well.  Best vibes that it's the
toxo and nothing worse.  Hugs to both of you.

Diane R.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Thinking of Caroline

I guess the best option is to hope and pray it is toxioplasmosis.
Brain cancer and dry FIP aren't treatable.  I told them to go ahead and
start her on the antibiotic to treat toxioplasmosis...

Kelley

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Re: Plastic bags

2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman
What we should do is to bring our own reusable bags when we shop. 


Pam

Kelly L wrote:

At 08:13 PM 5/26/2007, you wrote:

Why can we lobby to have them made of a thin cardboard  so they will 
biodegrade..I hate them!!


While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all 
plastic  actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get 
their heads caught in the handles  strangle.   So please please cut 
those loops!


For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things 
holding 6 paks together.  Those things have been found around the 
necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving 
them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads 
caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these things 
will tighten around their necks.


Pam




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Re: Plastic bags

2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman
I wonder if it's not better to NOT let the lid come off completely but 
leave it attached  when the can i s empty, push the lid closed again, 
in such a way that the lid is held down under the brim o f the can.


Pam

Marylyn wrote:
While you are at it:  Please make sure lids from cans are completely 
off and not just bent back.  When I was working I found a little stray 
who was trying to lick a can clean and got his head stuck.  You have 
no idea how hard it is to get a panicked stray/feral's head out of a 
can.  I still don't know what the cat looked like.  Once he was freed 
he put a cheetah to shame with his speedy escape.







If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis

- Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 10:13 PM
Subject: Plastic bags


While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all 
plastic  actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get 
their heads caught in the handles  strangle.   So please please cut 
those loops!


For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things 
holding 6 paks together.  Those things have been found around the 
necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving 
them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads 
caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these things 
will tighten around their necks.


Pam












Re: Plastic bags

2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman
I do the same thing with my used litter, then tie the bag shut, cut the 
handles  put them in a commercial dumpster near where I feed my ferals.


Pam

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

*/Wow didn't think this subject would last this long./*
*//* 
*/Anyway, I recycle my plastic bags. I dump dirty cat litter in them 
then put that into the bags that the clean litter comes in. So there 
isn't a smell./*
*//* 
*/I remember years ago one of my Mom's cats got hung up in the handle 
parts and scared him so bad that I thought he was going to have a 
heart attack. He went flying through the house with it stuck on his 
body. To top it off he was a high strung Siamese./*

*/I felt so bad for him./*
*//* 
*/In general the only time there is any plastic out is when I'm 
changing the litter boxes or garbage cans. Tazzy just sits there and 
licks it. Of course it's before it has the dirty litter in it./*
 
In a message dated 5/26/2007 8:22:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


At 08:13 PM 5/26/2007, you wrote:

Why can we lobby to have them made of a thin cardboard  so they will
biodegrade..I hate them!!

While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of
all plastic  actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can
get their heads caught in the handles  strangle.   So please please
cut those loops!

For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things
holding 6 paks together.  Those things have been found around the
necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving
them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads
caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these
things will tighten around their necks.

Pam

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Re: Thinking of Caroline

2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman
Apparently it can. When JuneAmy was with me  started having seizures, 
that was one of the things we tested for.  In her case we never found 
the reason because the lymphoma took her so soon after she got here.


Pam

Kelley Saveika wrote:

Does toxo usually cause seizures???

On 5/27/07, Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kelly, I'm so sorry Caroline isn't doing well.  Best vibes that it's the
toxo and nothing worse.  Hugs to both of you.

Diane R.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Thinking of Caroline

I guess the best option is to hope and pray it is toxioplasmosis.
Brain cancer and dry FIP aren't treatable.  I told them to go ahead and
start her on the antibiotic to treat toxioplasmosis...

Kelley

On 5/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 She is in my thoughts and prayers!
 Hope the Vet is able to find out the cause of this.
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new diagnosis

2007-05-27 Thread Jane Lyons

Hello everyone
I just joined this group as I have just had two FeLV
positive test results on my year old kitten.

I adopted her from a cat shelter two months ago
with many health issues (upper respiratory, diarrhea
giardia, stomatits). I was told that she was FeLV negative
and figured I could deal with all of the above because they were
not life threatening and once I got her out of the shelter 'colony'
and to our vets, that she would get well. She didn't.

On Friday I took her to my homeopathic vet who insisted that
she be tested again for FeLV, and the test came back positive
and the second test result which I got on Saturday was also positive.

Needless to say I am devastated. Both of the vets that I use are being
supportive and hopeful. When I adopted a positive kitten 20 years ago
I was told that she had to be put down because she would infect my 
other cat.
This is not the case now. We have two Scotties and had recently lost a 
19 year old

cat, and a 21 year old the year before.

This cat, MeMe, is an absolute love. My homeopath put her on a 
probiotic that
she is excited about FortiFlora, and liquid DMG as well as help in 
weaning her
to Archetype food as she is addicted to Fancy Feast which my vet calls 
'kitty crack'.


I have been overwhelmed with the amount of information I am finding on 
the Web.
Some of it seems very optimistic, some, bordering on fantasy. I joined 
this group hoping to
share information with real people who are living and coping with this 
disease. I keep
re-reading the Home page on this site which states that Feline Leukemia 
is not a death
sentence. I would appreciate any information which could be helpful to 
MeMe.


Thank you
Jane






Re: new diagnosis

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 10:24 AM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Welcome..and THANK YOU
No it is not a death sentence as you will see here. i just returned 
from Best friends where I met Many old,,,15-22 year old cats .. 
Unfortunately when kittens get it they seem to have a shorter life 
span, My guy is a year and a half,
Best Friends give their leukemia cats   1/4 cc immuno regulin I.M 
each month,,I use that and alferon natural interferon,,, a good diet 
and lots of love!!! and have other cats also and do not worry about 
it spreading to my adult vaccinated cats, But Max my FELV cat live 
primarily away form the others with his own friends,,, I do not want 
him catching anything else.

Kelly
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com



Hello everyone
I just joined this group as I have just had two FeLV
positive test results on my year old kitten.

I adopted her from a cat shelter two months ago
with many health issues (upper respiratory, diarrhea
giardia, stomatits). I was told that she was FeLV negative
and figured I could deal with all of the above because they were
not life threatening and once I got her out of the shelter 'colony'
and to our vets, that she would get well. She didn't.

On Friday I took her to my homeopathic vet who insisted that
she be tested again for FeLV, and the test came back positive
and the second test result which I got on Saturday was also positive.

Needless to say I am devastated. Both of the vets that I use are being
supportive and hopeful. When I adopted a positive kitten 20 years ago
I was told that she had to be put down because she would infect my other cat.
This is not the case now. We have two Scotties and had recently lost 
a 19 year old

cat, and a 21 year old the year before.

This cat, MeMe, is an absolute love. My homeopath put her on a probiotic that
she is excited about FortiFlora, and liquid DMG as well as help in 
weaning her
to Archetype food as she is addicted to Fancy Feast which my vet 
calls 'kitty crack'.


I have been overwhelmed with the amount of information I am finding 
on the Web.
Some of it seems very optimistic, some, bordering on fantasy. I 
joined this group hoping to
share information with real people who are living and coping with 
this disease. I keep
re-reading the Home page on this site which states that Feline 
Leukemia is not a death

sentence. I would appreciate any information which could be helpful to MeMe.

Thank you
Jane






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Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread C J
Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting 
more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the point where all she does is 
hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost 
immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped 
giving it.


The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we 
feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior 
feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave 
it at that.  I think food may be the least of her worries right now.  She's 
probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how 
to tell that for sure.  Her third eyelid is very noticeable now.  She 
shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the 
water and sniffs it.


Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously 
doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure where the food is going after it 
goes in.


She's not very responsive either, anymore.  She will purr a bit when I pet 
her, but that's about it.


I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong 
enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy,  or feeding tube 
insertion anymore.  Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an 
oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby.


This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in 
people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that 
can be done.  I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer 
went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment.  She has 
only painkillers and 6 months to live.


Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, 
I begin a new batch of tears.  She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum 
her off, nothing would scare her.  Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, 
she would be in it.  She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, 
and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth.  No 
matter where I hid that panda, she would find it.  She could break into 
anything, including the closets.


She's always been so loving and gentle too.  I could pet her belly, the only 
cat that would let me do that.  And when she played, she would be so gentle 
when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect 
kitty for a child to play with.


It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you 
up after a long day at work.  It's going to take me a long time to get over 
the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times.  And I know at any 
time, Tomi could get sick again.


I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything 
else other than my kitties these days.


Cassandra


- Original Message - 
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



Cassandra,

I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping
in mind that you are limited to location and funding.
That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she
does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots.
They will not cure anything, but will keep her very
comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do
chemo.  They are steroids, but much stronger than
prednisone.  I am so sorry Kisa is having to go
through this (and you as well).  Prayers going out for
both of you.  Please keep us posted.

:)
Wendy

--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Cassandra,

I just read this email.  How is Kisa doing today?  I
am not caught up yet.  I hope she's better.  Prayers
going out for both of you.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, after going to the vet today, it's not
looking
 good for Kisa.

 She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and
 elevated number of lymphocytes.  Therefore they
 believe she has a liver disease, possibly
 lymphosarcoma.

 The only way they can tell for sure what the
problem
 is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means
 surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though
 because of the FeLV and her immune system being
 compromised.

 They gave me prednisone and baytril for her,
though
 i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping
those
 down when she is vomiting so easily.  They're
hoping
 the steroid will make her feel a little better and
 maybe regain some appetite.

 I've really got to try and get her to eat
something,
 she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now.

 I don't understand why this is all happening at
 once.  First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker
 for nearly 2 months.  As soon as he started
getting
 better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver
failure,
 and died.  Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from
 being a super healthy and active cat to death's
 door.  I haven't even had enough time to get used
to
 Koda being 

Re: Good thoughts for Caroline

2007-05-27 Thread C J
I'm so sorry you and Caroline have to go through this.  I hope they can 
figure out what the problem is and be able to help her.


Cassandra

- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 5:46 PM
Subject: Good thoughts for Caroline



I got up this morning and Carline was sick.  I took her to the
hospital..she had 2 seizures in the car...they don't know what is
wrong with her but she will be staying in the ER for the weekend...it
doesn't look very good.  She's lost a lot of weight and was dehydrated
w/vomiting

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Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman
You should be giving her subqs at least! 

You are fast approaching the point, if not already there yet, where if 
you are not going to put in a tube to feed her  you are not going to 
consult an oncologist, that continuing as she is now would be only 
prolonging her suffering.  She is not going to just slip away naturally 
 peacefully. She is very sick, with hepatic lipidosis on top of 
everything else, plus her body is starving. If nothing further is going 
to be done for her beyond what has been, which clearly is not helping, 
then you must consider letting her go.  This is not going to turn around 
without serious intervention. I am not talking surgery, I am talking 
about insertion of a feeding tube to get critical nourishment into her  
extend her life long enough to see an oncologist  find out where or 
what the cancer is  whether treatable or not.  If that isn't going to 
be done, then there is no hope  you MUST consider her clearly declining 
quality of life  let her go.


Pam

C  J wrote:
Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been 
getting more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the point where 
all she does is hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding spot, 
she vomits almost immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't help the 
vomiting, so I stopped giving it.


The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because 
if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the 
prior feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, 
and leave it at that.  I think food may be the least of her worries 
right now.  She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, 
though I don't know how to tell that for sure.  Her third eyelid is 
very noticeable now.  She shows very little interest in drinking, 
mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it.


Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I 
seriously doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure where the food is 
going after it goes in.


She's not very responsive either, anymore.  She will purr a bit when I 
pet her, but that's about it.


I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even 
strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy,  or feeding 
tube insertion anymore.  Considering the vet clinics i've called don't 
know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby.


This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even 
in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much 
more that can be done.  I know someone right now who has cancer, and 
since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped 
aggressive treatment.  She has only painkillers and 6 months to live.


Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a 
week ago, I begin a new batch of tears.  She was absolutely fearless, 
I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her.  Everytime I had an 
empty box or bag out, she would be in it.  She carried a little 
stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had 
something special in her mouth.  No matter where I hid that panda, she 
would find it.  She could break into anything, including the closets.


She's always been so loving and gentle too.  I could pet her belly, 
the only cat that would let me do that.  And when she played, she 
would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she 
would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with.


It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can 
cheer you up after a long day at work.  It's going to take me a long 
time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 
times.  And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again.


I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on 
anything else other than my kitties these days.


Cassandra


- Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



Cassandra,

I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping
in mind that you are limited to location and funding.
That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she
does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots.
They will not cure anything, but will keep her very
comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do
chemo.  They are steroids, but much stronger than
prednisone.  I am so sorry Kisa is having to go
through this (and you as well).  Prayers going out for
both of you.  Please keep us posted.

:)
Wendy

--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Cassandra,

I just read this email.  How is Kisa doing today?  I
am not caught up yet.  I hope she's better.  Prayers
going out for both of you.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, after going to the vet today, it's not
looking
 good for Kisa.

 She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and
 elevated number of 

Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 11:50 AM 5/27/2007, you wrote:
I agree with Pam she is suffering,,,she needs the tube and fluids, 
Please do let her just lie there suffering,,All the medications CAN 
be given via injection.She is dying,,,

Kelly



Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been 
getting more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the point where 
all she does is hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding 
spot, she vomits almost immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't 
help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it.


The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult 
because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair 
bit of the prior feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of 
times a day, and leave it at that.  I think food may be the least of 
her worries right now.  She's probably getting dehydrated from all 
the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure.  Her 
third eyelid is very noticeable now.  She shows very little 
interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it.


Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I 
seriously doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure where the food is 
going after it goes in.


She's not very responsive either, anymore.  She will purr a bit when 
I pet her, but that's about it.


I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even 
strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy,  or 
feeding tube insertion anymore.  Considering the vet clinics i've 
called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one 
anywhere nearby.


This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that 
even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not 
much more that can be done.  I know someone right now who has 
cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have 
stopped aggressive treatment.  She has only painkillers and 6 months to live.


Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a 
week ago, I begin a new batch of tears.  She was absolutely 
fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare 
her.  Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in 
it.  She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and 
would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth.  No 
matter where I hid that panda, she would find it.  She could break 
into anything, including the closets.


She's always been so loving and gentle too.  I could pet her belly, 
the only cat that would let me do that.  And when she played, she 
would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought 
she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with.


It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can 
cheer you up after a long day at work.  It's going to take me a long 
time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 
times.  And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again.


I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on 
anything else other than my kitties these days.


Cassandra


- Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



Cassandra,

I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping
in mind that you are limited to location and funding.
That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she
does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots.
They will not cure anything, but will keep her very
comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do
chemo.  They are steroids, but much stronger than
prednisone.  I am so sorry Kisa is having to go
through this (and you as well).  Prayers going out for
both of you.  Please keep us posted.

:)
Wendy

--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Cassandra,

I just read this email.  How is Kisa doing today?  I
am not caught up yet.  I hope she's better.  Prayers
going out for both of you.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, after going to the vet today, it's not
looking
 good for Kisa.

 She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and
 elevated number of lymphocytes.  Therefore they
 believe she has a liver disease, possibly
 lymphosarcoma.

 The only way they can tell for sure what the
problem
 is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means
 surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though
 because of the FeLV and her immune system being
 compromised.

 They gave me prednisone and baytril for her,
though
 i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping
those
 down when she is vomiting so easily.  They're
hoping
 the steroid will make her feel a little better and
 maybe regain some appetite.

 I've really got to try and get her to eat
something,
 she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now.

 I don't understand why this is all happening at
 once.  First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker
 for nearly 2 months.  As soon as he started

Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Nina

My dear Cassandra,
Please take a look at the archives about my Spencer.  When we got to the 
point that you are now, I decided to stop trying to force feed and 
medicate beyond his daily dex shot and in his case, occasional nose 
drops to help his congestion and breathing.  I don't know if the dex 
shots would help Kisa the way they did Spence, but for him, it gave us 
another month of quality life and love together.  He perked up almost 
immediately and while I still had to have a vet come to the house to 
help him cross, I wouldn't have given up that last month with him for 
anything.  It gave us time to say goodbye and helped ease the transition 
for both of us.  I'm so sorry you guys are suffering so, you have my 
sympathy and understanding.  There is nothing worse than watching a 
loved one suffer and wishing that you had the power to change things.  
Acceptance is always difficult.  Sometimes even with all the 
intervention money can buy, even with access to a specialist, even if 
you were inclined to continue with force feedings, medications and  subq 
fluids, it doesn't change the sad outcome and we end up regretting the 
intervention that did nothing but make them miserable for the time they 
had left.  There are times when we have to just let go of the struggle 
to control outcomes and instead BE with them, love them and concentrate 
on making them as comfortable as possible.  Sometimes we are left with 
no other alternatives than to accept and respect their journey.  The 
folks on the list are urging you to do what they think is best.  As well 
intentioned as the advice you are getting is, it's not up to us.  You 
are there, you know your limitations and what may or may not be 
possible.  It is obvious how much you love her and how difficult this 
last 3 months have been for you.  I'm sending you and Kisa love and 
strength, listen to her, together you'll decide what to do.

Nina

C  J wrote:
Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been 
getting more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the point where 
all she does is hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding spot, 
she vomits almost immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't help the 
vomiting, so I stopped giving it.


The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because 
if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the 
prior feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, 
and leave it at that.  I think food may be the least of her worries 
right now.  She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, 
though I don't know how to tell that for sure.  Her third eyelid is 
very noticeable now.  She shows very little interest in drinking, 
mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it.


Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I 
seriously doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure where the food is 
going after it goes in.


She's not very responsive either, anymore.  She will purr a bit when I 
pet her, but that's about it.


I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even 
strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy,  or feeding 
tube insertion anymore.  Considering the vet clinics i've called don't 
know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby.


This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even 
in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much 
more that can be done.  I know someone right now who has cancer, and 
since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped 
aggressive treatment.  She has only painkillers and 6 months to live.


Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a 
week ago, I begin a new batch of tears.  She was absolutely fearless, 
I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her.  Everytime I had an 
empty box or bag out, she would be in it.  She carried a little 
stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had 
something special in her mouth.  No matter where I hid that panda, she 
would find it.  She could break into anything, including the closets.


She's always been so loving and gentle too.  I could pet her belly, 
the only cat that would let me do that.  And when she played, she 
would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she 
would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with.


It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can 
cheer you up after a long day at work.  It's going to take me a long 
time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 
times.  And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again.


I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on 
anything else other than my kitties these days.


Cassandra


- Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: To Cassandra 

Re: Thinking of Caroline

2007-05-27 Thread Kelley Saveika

Nina

She is neg,and was retested neg/neg.  Thanks for the thoughts.

On 5/27/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kelley,
I'm sorry to hear about Caroline.  Prayers that she responds to the abx
and starts feeling better very soon.  Your description of symptoms and
possible causes sound eerily like what Michelle's Lucy went through.  I
know you've had a lot of losses lately, it's always a chilling thought
to think that in trying to help, we've exposed others to potential
illness.  Is Caroline felv+?  Hang in there sweetie and remember that
you have given the forgotten angels in your care the opportunity at
life, love and comfort.  All we can do is all we can do.  Please let us
know how she is doing,
Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:
 She is still in the emergency clinic and will be there til Tuesday
 morning...they started her on clin.  She is also on Baytril.  Don't
 think she is on Doxy.

 On 5/27/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't know if it causes seizures, but my Spud was
 treated for it.  His HCT was down to 12.  They didn't
 hold out much hope.  It took a lot of intensive care
 feeding etc.  But, he did the entire 3 wk run with
 clin. and doxy.  His HCT is now up to 22...not normal,
 but he is hanging in there.

 God bless,
 Dede


 --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Does toxo usually cause seizures???
 
  On 5/27/07, Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   Kelly, I'm so sorry Caroline isn't doing well.
  Best vibes that it's the
   toxo and nothing worse.  Hugs to both of you.
  
   Diane R.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
   Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:51 AM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: Thinking of Caroline
  
   I guess the best option is to hope and pray it is
  toxioplasmosis.
   Brain cancer and dry FIP aren't treatable.  I told
  them to go ahead and
   start her on the antibiotic to treat
  toxioplasmosis...
  
   Kelley
  
   On 5/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   
She is in my thoughts and prayers!
Hope the Vet is able to find out the cause of
  this.
Take care of yourself!
   
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Re: Thinking of Caroline

2007-05-27 Thread Nina

Kelley,
I'm sorry to hear about Caroline.  Prayers that she responds to the abx 
and starts feeling better very soon.  Your description of symptoms and 
possible causes sound eerily like what Michelle's Lucy went through.  I 
know you've had a lot of losses lately, it's always a chilling thought 
to think that in trying to help, we've exposed others to potential 
illness.  Is Caroline felv+?  Hang in there sweetie and remember that 
you have given the forgotten angels in your care the opportunity at 
life, love and comfort.  All we can do is all we can do.  Please let us 
know how she is doing,

Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:

She is still in the emergency clinic and will be there til Tuesday
morning...they started her on clin.  She is also on Baytril.  Don't
think she is on Doxy.

On 5/27/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I don't know if it causes seizures, but my Spud was
treated for it.  His HCT was down to 12.  They didn't
hold out much hope.  It took a lot of intensive care
feeding etc.  But, he did the entire 3 wk run with
clin. and doxy.  His HCT is now up to 22...not normal,
but he is hanging in there.

God bless,
Dede


--- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does toxo usually cause seizures???

 On 5/27/07, Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Kelly, I'm so sorry Caroline isn't doing well.
 Best vibes that it's the
  toxo and nothing worse.  Hugs to both of you.
 
  Diane R.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
  Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:51 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: Thinking of Caroline
 
  I guess the best option is to hope and pray it is
 toxioplasmosis.
  Brain cancer and dry FIP aren't treatable.  I told
 them to go ahead and
  start her on the antibiotic to treat
 toxioplasmosis...
 
  Kelley
 
  On 5/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
   She is in my thoughts and prayers!
   Hope the Vet is able to find out the cause of
 this.
   Take care of yourself!
  
   Terrie Mohr-Forker
  
   TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
   SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
   Donations accepted at:
   https://www.paypal.com/
  
  
  
 http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/
  
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue
  
  

http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html
  
   http://www.felineleukemia.org/
  
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   http://www.petloss.com/
  
  
  
  
   
   See what's free at AOL.com.
 
 
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  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
 
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  Please help Gandalf!
 
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RE: Abandoned

2007-05-27 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Bless your hearts for taking these babies in, and for your caring even for
the one who was past help.  Best of luck with them, I would actually worry a
little about what the Humane Society would do with them, right now in the
middle of kitten season.   

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie and Brian
Morton
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 11:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Abandoned

Just went to a nearby town by way of back roads. Saw a car parked at the
edge of a field. Saw a bunch of tiny kittens and thought they were being
rescued. On the way home the kittens were still there - 1 dead-run over by
the car that dumped them! We now have 5 more mouths to feed (on top of 13
cats and 2 dogs). Unless the Humane society will take them. All gray, some
long hair some short haired, some with white. How can people be so cruel!
They are only about 4 weeks old. My husband was king enough to bring the
dead one home and he buried it by our cedars.

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Re: new diagnosis

2007-05-27 Thread Nina
Hello Jane and welcome.  Every one of us on this list has lived through 
the fear and confusion you are facing.  This list has been a haven for 
me and so many others, I'm so very glad you've found us.  It sounds like 
you have a wonderful vet and that MeMe, (very cute name, I can just 
picture how she came to name herself that), is in loving and capable 
hands.  You are both blessed to have found each other.  I'm praying that 
she recovers from her symptoms and that you have many years together.  
Take a look at our archives using key words to search for advice on her 
symptoms.  Ask as many questions on specifics as you like and feel free 
to vent, cry or just share how special she is.  Give that little angel a 
head butt from me. 
Nina


Jane Lyons wrote:

Hello everyone
I just joined this group as I have just had two FeLV
positive test results on my year old kitten.

I adopted her from a cat shelter two months ago
with many health issues (upper respiratory, diarrhea
giardia, stomatits). I was told that she was FeLV negative
and figured I could deal with all of the above because they were
not life threatening and once I got her out of the shelter 'colony'
and to our vets, that she would get well. She didn't.

On Friday I took her to my homeopathic vet who insisted that
she be tested again for FeLV, and the test came back positive
and the second test result which I got on Saturday was also positive.

Needless to say I am devastated. Both of the vets that I use are being
supportive and hopeful. When I adopted a positive kitten 20 years ago
I was told that she had to be put down because she would infect my 
other cat.
This is not the case now. We have two Scotties and had recently lost a 
19 year old

cat, and a 21 year old the year before.

This cat, MeMe, is an absolute love. My homeopath put her on a 
probiotic that
she is excited about FortiFlora, and liquid DMG as well as help in 
weaning her
to Archetype food as she is addicted to Fancy Feast which my vet calls 
'kitty crack'.


I have been overwhelmed with the amount of information I am finding on 
the Web.
Some of it seems very optimistic, some, bordering on fantasy. I joined 
this group hoping to
share information with real people who are living and coping with this 
disease. I keep
re-reading the Home page on this site which states that Feline 
Leukemia is not a death
sentence. I would appreciate any information which could be helpful to 
MeMe.


Thank you
Jane











Re: Plastic bags

2007-05-27 Thread Marylyn

That works unless something hits the lid and cracks it.






If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Plastic bags


I wonder if it's not better to NOT let the lid come off completely but 
leave it attached  when the can i s empty, push the lid closed again, in 
such a way that the lid is held down under the brim o f the can.


Pam

Marylyn wrote:
While you are at it:  Please make sure lids from cans are completely off 
and not just bent back.  When I was working I found a little stray who 
was trying to lick a can clean and got his head stuck.  You have no idea 
how hard it is to get a panicked stray/feral's head out of a can.  I 
still don't know what the cat looked like.  Once he was freed he put a 
cheetah to shame with his speedy escape.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis

- Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 10:13 PM
Subject: Plastic bags


While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all 
plastic  actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get 
their heads caught in the handles  strangle.   So please please cut 
those loops!


For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things holding 
6 paks together.  Those things have been found around the necks of 
seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving them. Closer 
to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads caught in those too, 
or stray kittens which as they grow these things will tighten around 
their necks.


Pam















Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread wendy
Cassandra,

I am so sorry.  Kisa sounds like such a special kitty.
 I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed
panda around.  What special memories you have of her. 
Still praying for her to rally.  And for comfort for
you.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last
 week, she's been getting 
 more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the
 point where all she does is 
 hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding
 spot, she vomits almost 
 immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't help the
 vomiting, so I stopped 
 giving it.
 
 The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more
 difficult because if we 
 feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair
 bit of the prior 
 feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of
 times a day, and leave 
 it at that.  I think food may be the least of her
 worries right now.  She's 
 probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting,
 though I don't know how 
 to tell that for sure.  Her third eyelid is very
 noticeable now.  She 
 shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just
 sticks her paws in the 
 water and sniffs it.
 
 Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her
 since wednesday, I seriously 
 doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure where the
 food is going after it 
 goes in.
 
 She's not very responsive either, anymore.  She will
 purr a bit when I pet 
 her, but that's about it.
 
 I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not
 sure she's even strong 
 enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, 
 or feeding tube 
 insertion anymore.  Considering the vet clinics i've
 called don't know of an 
 oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere
 nearby.
 
 This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to
 remember that even in 
 people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's
 usually not much more that 
 can be done.  I know someone right now who has
 cancer, and since the cancer 
 went into her liver, the doctors have stopped
 aggressive treatment.  She has 
 only painkillers and 6 months to live.
 
 Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief
 Kisa was only a week ago, 
 I begin a new batch of tears.  She was absolutely
 fearless, I could vacuum 
 her off, nothing would scare her.  Everytime I had
 an empty box or bag out, 
 she would be in it.  She carried a little stuffed
 panda around all the time, 
 and would proudly announce she had something special
 in her mouth.  No 
 matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. 
 She could break into 
 anything, including the closets.
 
 She's always been so loving and gentle too.  I could
 pet her belly, the only 
 cat that would let me do that.  And when she played,
 she would be so gentle 
 when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she
 would make the perfect 
 kitty for a child to play with.
 
 It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the
 ones that can cheer you 
 up after a long day at work.  It's going to take me
 a long time to get over 
 the last 3 months, going through this process 3
 times.  And I know at any 
 time, Tomi could get sick again.
 
 I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't
 seem to focus on anything 
 else other than my kitties these days.
 
 Cassandra
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM
 Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
 
 
  Cassandra,
 
  I agree with what everyone says here, but am
 keeping
  in mind that you are limited to location and
 funding.
  That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo,
 she
  does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol
 shots.
  They will not cure anything, but will keep her
 very
  comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to
 do
  chemo.  They are steroids, but much stronger than
  prednisone.  I am so sorry Kisa is having to go
  through this (and you as well).  Prayers going out
 for
  both of you.  Please keep us posted.
 
  :)
  Wendy
 
  --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Cassandra,
 
  I just read this email.  How is Kisa doing today?
  I
  am not caught up yet.  I hope she's better. 
 Prayers
  going out for both of you.
 
  :)
  Wendy
 
  --- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Well, after going to the vet today, it's not
  looking
   good for Kisa.
  
   She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine,
 and
   elevated number of lymphocytes.  Therefore they
   believe she has a liver disease, possibly
   lymphosarcoma.
  
   The only way they can tell for sure what the
  problem
   is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means
   surgery.They didn't suggest doing this
 though
   because of the FeLV and her immune system being
   compromised.
  
   They gave me prednisone and baytril for her,
  though
   i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping
  those
   down when she is vomiting so easily.  They're
  hoping
   the steroid will make her feel a little better
 and
   maybe regain some appetite.
  

To all: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread wendy
I want to piggy back on what Nina wrote.  She is right
that what happens with Kisa is not up to us.  We
should all remember that it's up to Kisa and Cassandra
what happens next.  I remember reading some posts when
Cricket was dying urging me to do this or that. 
Ultimately, it was Cricket's and my decision and I
felt a bit isolated for fear that what I did decide to
do or not do would offend someone.  This group should
offer suggestions in the spirit of helping, as it
usually does.  Members of this group should not tell
someone what they should or should not do.  Please
respect Cassandra's decision-making when it comes to
Kisa's welfare.  She is making her decisions out of
her personal beliefs and love for Kisa and whatever
she decides we should respect.

:)
Wendy

--- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My dear Cassandra,
 Please take a look at the archives about my Spencer.
  When we got to the 
 point that you are now, I decided to stop trying to
 force feed and 
 medicate beyond his daily dex shot and in his case,
 occasional nose 
 drops to help his congestion and breathing.  I don't
 know if the dex 
 shots would help Kisa the way they did Spence, but
 for him, it gave us 
 another month of quality life and love together.  He
 perked up almost 
 immediately and while I still had to have a vet come
 to the house to 
 help him cross, I wouldn't have given up that last
 month with him for 
 anything.  It gave us time to say goodbye and helped
 ease the transition 
 for both of us.  I'm so sorry you guys are suffering
 so, you have my 
 sympathy and understanding.  There is nothing worse
 than watching a 
 loved one suffer and wishing that you had the power
 to change things.  
 Acceptance is always difficult.  Sometimes even with
 all the 
 intervention money can buy, even with access to a
 specialist, even if 
 you were inclined to continue with force feedings,
 medications and  subq 
 fluids, it doesn't change the sad outcome and we end
 up regretting the 
 intervention that did nothing but make them
 miserable for the time they 
 had left.  There are times when we have to just let
 go of the struggle 
 to control outcomes and instead BE with them, love
 them and concentrate 
 on making them as comfortable as possible. 
 Sometimes we are left with 
 no other alternatives than to accept and respect
 their journey.  The 
 folks on the list are urging you to do what they
 think is best.  As well 
 intentioned as the advice you are getting is, it's
 not up to us.  You 
 are there, you know your limitations and what may or
 may not be 
 possible.  It is obvious how much you love her and
 how difficult this 
 last 3 months have been for you.  I'm sending you
 and Kisa love and 
 strength, listen to her, together you'll decide what
 to do.
 Nina
 
 C  J wrote:
  Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the
 last week, she's been 
  getting more lethargic day by day.  And now she's
 at the point where 
  all she does is hide/sleep.  When we bring her out
 of her hiding spot, 
  she vomits almost immediately.   The
 Chloropromazine didn't help the 
  vomiting, so I stopped giving it.
 
  The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the
 more difficult because 
  if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits
 up a fair bit of the 
  prior feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a
 couple of times a day, 
  and leave it at that.  I think food may be the
 least of her worries 
  right now.  She's probably getting dehydrated from
 all the vomiting, 
  though I don't know how to tell that for sure. 
 Her third eyelid is 
  very noticeable now.  She shows very little
 interest in drinking, 
  mainly just sticks her paws in the water and
 sniffs it.
 
  Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her
 since wednesday, I 
  seriously doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure
 where the food is 
  going after it goes in.
 
  She's not very responsive either, anymore.  She
 will purr a bit when I 
  pet her, but that's about it.
 
  I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm
 not sure she's even 
  strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver
 biopsy,  or feeding 
  tube insertion anymore.  Considering the vet
 clinics i've called don't 
  know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one
 anywhere nearby.
 
  This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to
 remember that even 
  in people, once cancer gets into the liver,
 there's usually not much 
  more that can be done.  I know someone right now
 who has cancer, and 
  since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors
 have stopped 
  aggressive treatment.  She has only painkillers
 and 6 months to live.
 
  Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief
 Kisa was only a 
  week ago, I begin a new batch of tears.  She was
 absolutely fearless, 
  I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. 
 Everytime I had an 
  empty box or bag out, she would be in it.  She
 carried a little 
  stuffed panda around all the time, and would
 proudly announce 

Re: Abandoned

2007-05-27 Thread wendy
What a king you have!  Prayers going out that these
kitties' welfare will be looked after and loving homes
found for all five.

:)
Wendy

--- Debbie and Brian Morton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just went to a nearby town by way of back roads. Saw
 a car parked at the
 edge of a field. Saw a bunch of tiny kittens and
 thought they were being
 rescued. On the way home the kittens were still
 there - 1 dead-run over
 by the car that dumped them! We now have 5 more
 mouths to feed (on top
 of 13 cats and 2 dogs). Unless the Humane society
 will take them. All
 gray, some long hair some short haired, some with
 white. How can people
 be so cruel! They are only about 4 weeks old. My
 husband was king enough
 to bring the dead one home and he buried it by our
 cedars.
 
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Re: Abandoned

2007-05-27 Thread MaryChristine

bless you both.

(take down license numbers, folks, it's that time of year. sadly.)

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Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Marylyn
She understands that but would much rather be with you two as you would 
rather be with her.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



Thanks all,

Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now.  It tears me up to have to 
leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but 
i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better.   I don't know if she 
seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her 
body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps.


I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least 
this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her.


She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, 
and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all 
I can do to help her, i've got to try.  I just hope she knows that i'm 
only doing all this to her because I love her.


Cassandra

- Original Message - 
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



Cassandra,

I am so sorry.  Kisa sounds like such a special kitty.
I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed
panda around.  What special memories you have of her.
Still praying for her to rally.  And for comfort for
you.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last
week, she's been getting
more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the
point where all she does is
hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding
spot, she vomits almost
immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't help the
vomiting, so I stopped
giving it.

The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more
difficult because if we
feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair
bit of the prior
feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of
times a day, and leave
it at that.  I think food may be the least of her
worries right now.  She's
probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting,
though I don't know how
to tell that for sure.  Her third eyelid is very
noticeable now.  She
shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just
sticks her paws in the
water and sniffs it.

Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her
since wednesday, I seriously
doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure where the
food is going after it
goes in.

She's not very responsive either, anymore.  She will
purr a bit when I pet
her, but that's about it.

I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not
sure she's even strong
enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy,
or feeding tube
insertion anymore.  Considering the vet clinics i've
called don't know of an
oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere
nearby.

This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to
remember that even in
people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's
usually not much more that
can be done.  I know someone right now who has
cancer, and since the cancer
went into her liver, the doctors have stopped
aggressive treatment.  She has
only painkillers and 6 months to live.

Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief
Kisa was only a week ago,
I begin a new batch of tears.  She was absolutely
fearless, I could vacuum
her off, nothing would scare her.  Everytime I had
an empty box or bag out,
she would be in it.  She carried a little stuffed
panda around all the time,
and would proudly announce she had something special
in her mouth.  No
matter where I hid that panda, she would find it.
She could break into
anything, including the closets.

She's always been so loving and gentle too.  I could
pet her belly, the only
cat that would let me do that.  And when she played,
she would be so gentle
when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she
would make the perfect
kitty for a child to play with.

It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the
ones that can cheer you
up after a long day at work.  It's going to take me
a long time to get over
the last 3 months, going through this process 3
times.  And I know at any
time, Tomi could get sick again.

I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't
seem to focus on anything
else other than my kitties these days.

Cassandra


- Original Message - 
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa


 Cassandra,

 I agree with what everyone says here, but am
keeping
 in mind that you 

Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she 
needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at 
home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your 
baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and 
it looks like you have,
The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn 
for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just 
tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and 
warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can 
bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as 
much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and 
email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but 
you are doing what is best for your baby.

Kelly


Thanks all,

Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now.  It tears me up to 
have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away 
from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better.   I 
don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver 
and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope 
something helps.


I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at 
least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her.


She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the 
blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's 
anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try.  I just hope 
she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her.


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



Cassandra,

I am so sorry.  Kisa sounds like such a special kitty.
I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed
panda around.  What special memories you have of her.
Still praying for her to rally.  And for comfort for
you.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last
week, she's been getting
more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the
point where all she does is
hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding
spot, she vomits almost
immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't help the
vomiting, so I stopped
giving it.

The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more
difficult because if we
feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair
bit of the prior
feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of
times a day, and leave
it at that.  I think food may be the least of her
worries right now.  She's
probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting,
though I don't know how
to tell that for sure.  Her third eyelid is very
noticeable now.  She
shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just
sticks her paws in the
water and sniffs it.

Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her
since wednesday, I seriously
doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure where the
food is going after it
goes in.

She's not very responsive either, anymore.  She will
purr a bit when I pet
her, but that's about it.

I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not
sure she's even strong
enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy,
or feeding tube
insertion anymore.  Considering the vet clinics i've
called don't know of an
oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere
nearby.

This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to
remember that even in
people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's
usually not much more that
can be done.  I know someone right now who has
cancer, and since the cancer
went into her liver, the doctors have stopped
aggressive treatment.  She has
only painkillers and 6 months to live.

Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief
Kisa was only a week ago,
I begin a new batch of tears.  She was absolutely
fearless, I could vacuum
her off, nothing would scare her.  Everytime I had
an empty box or bag out,
she would be in it.  She carried a little stuffed
panda around all the time,
and would proudly announce she had something special
in her mouth.  No
matter where I hid that panda, she would find it.
She could break into
anything, including the closets.

She's always been so loving and gentle too.  I could
pet her belly, the only
cat that would let me do that.  And when she played,
she would be so gentle
when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she
would make the perfect
kitty for a child to play with.

It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the
ones that can cheer you
up after a long day at work.  It's going to take me
a long time to get over
the last 3 months, going through this process 3
times.  And I know at any
time, Tomi could get sick again.

I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't
seem to focus on anything
else other than my kitties these days.

Cassandra


- Original Message - From: 

Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread C J

Thanks all,

Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now.  It tears me up to have to 
leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm 
hoping that an IV will make her feel better.   I don't know if she seems so 
sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or 
because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps.


I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this 
place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her.


She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and 
i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can 
do to help her, i've got to try.  I just hope she knows that i'm only doing 
all this to her because I love her.


Cassandra

- Original Message - 
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



Cassandra,

I am so sorry.  Kisa sounds like such a special kitty.
I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed
panda around.  What special memories you have of her.
Still praying for her to rally.  And for comfort for
you.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last
week, she's been getting
more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the
point where all she does is
hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding
spot, she vomits almost
immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't help the
vomiting, so I stopped
giving it.

The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more
difficult because if we
feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair
bit of the prior
feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of
times a day, and leave
it at that.  I think food may be the least of her
worries right now.  She's
probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting,
though I don't know how
to tell that for sure.  Her third eyelid is very
noticeable now.  She
shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just
sticks her paws in the
water and sniffs it.

Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her
since wednesday, I seriously
doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure where the
food is going after it
goes in.

She's not very responsive either, anymore.  She will
purr a bit when I pet
her, but that's about it.

I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not
sure she's even strong
enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy,
or feeding tube
insertion anymore.  Considering the vet clinics i've
called don't know of an
oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere
nearby.

This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to
remember that even in
people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's
usually not much more that
can be done.  I know someone right now who has
cancer, and since the cancer
went into her liver, the doctors have stopped
aggressive treatment.  She has
only painkillers and 6 months to live.

Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief
Kisa was only a week ago,
I begin a new batch of tears.  She was absolutely
fearless, I could vacuum
her off, nothing would scare her.  Everytime I had
an empty box or bag out,
she would be in it.  She carried a little stuffed
panda around all the time,
and would proudly announce she had something special
in her mouth.  No
matter where I hid that panda, she would find it.
She could break into
anything, including the closets.

She's always been so loving and gentle too.  I could
pet her belly, the only
cat that would let me do that.  And when she played,
she would be so gentle
when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she
would make the perfect
kitty for a child to play with.

It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the
ones that can cheer you
up after a long day at work.  It's going to take me
a long time to get over
the last 3 months, going through this process 3
times.  And I know at any
time, Tomi could get sick again.

I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't
seem to focus on anything
else other than my kitties these days.

Cassandra


- Original Message - 
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa


 Cassandra,

 I agree with what everyone says here, but am
keeping
 in mind that you are limited to location and
funding.
 That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo,
she
 does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol
shots.
 They will not cure anything, but will keep her
very
 comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to
do
 chemo.  They are steroids, but much stronger than
 prednisone.  I am so sorry Kisa is having to go
 through this (and you as well).  Prayers going out
for
 both of you.  Please keep us posted.

 :)
 Wendy

 --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Cassandra,

 I just read this email.  How is Kisa doing today?
 I
 am not caught up yet.  I hope she's better.
Prayers
 going out for both of you.

 :)
 

To Elizabeth Paz: re: Prednisone and doing great......

2007-05-27 Thread wendy
Hi Elizabeth,

I am catching up on my posts so forgive me for the
late reply.  I am really curious about your furbaby. 
You said that he was a kitten when he was diagnosed
with FeLV.  Some kittens throw off the virus and live
healthy lives as a negative afterwards.  When was the
last time you had him tested?  Are you sure he's still
FeLV?  If he is, it's wonderful that he's 7+ and still
going strong!!!

:)
Wendy

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2007-05-27 Thread wendy
Sheila,

I am so sorry to hear about Charlie Brown.  It sounds
like you are very in tune to what he wants and that's
a good thing.  I am behind on emails so I'm not sure
if he's still with you.  Prayers going out for both of
you.

:)
Wendy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My Charlie Brown is leaving me. This wonderful old
 man has been with me for 
 fifteen years. I've never had a sweeter or smarter
 cat in my life. He was 
 diagnosed with felv four years ago. The doctor said
 he was very sick and he 
 wouldn't make it another week and wanted to put him
 down, He wouldn't even give me 
 antibiotics to try and help his respiratory
 infection. I brought him home gave 
 him amoxi drops I had from another kitties uri bout,
 food and water and round 
 the clock love and care. He started to improve right
 away and had been healthy 
 and happy for four more years. Two days ago I woke
 to find him unable to walk. 
 I thought he wouldn't make it through the morning,
 but he is still here. I 
 know in my heart that he does not want to be put
 down in a doctors office he is 
 fighting so hard to stay, as sick as he is he still
 tries to crawl to food 
 plate. He doesn't want me to syringe feed him, he
 wants me to hold him over his 
 plate so he can eat own his own. He is the toughest
 little guy I have ever 
 known and I am so grateful for the last four years
 we have had together. Please 
 pray for us both.  Sheila
 
 
 
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Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread C J
Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet.  We don't have 
any 24 hour vet clinics around here.  So basically, the on-call vet will 
probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic.


So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok.

Cassandra

- Original Message - 
From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs 
medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the 
medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to 
be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have,
The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for 
the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to 
call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms 
in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to 
her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free 
to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will 
respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby.

Kelly


Thanks all,

Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now.  It tears me up to have to 
leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but 
i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better.   I don't know if she 
seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her 
body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps.


I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least 
this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her.


She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, 
and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all 
I can do to help her, i've got to try.  I just hope she knows that i'm 
only doing all this to her because I love her.


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



Cassandra,

I am so sorry.  Kisa sounds like such a special kitty.
I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed
panda around.  What special memories you have of her.
Still praying for her to rally.  And for comfort for
you.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last
week, she's been getting
more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the
point where all she does is
hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding
spot, she vomits almost
immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't help the
vomiting, so I stopped
giving it.

The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more
difficult because if we
feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair
bit of the prior
feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of
times a day, and leave
it at that.  I think food may be the least of her
worries right now.  She's
probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting,
though I don't know how
to tell that for sure.  Her third eyelid is very
noticeable now.  She
shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just
sticks her paws in the
water and sniffs it.

Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her
since wednesday, I seriously
doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure where the
food is going after it
goes in.

She's not very responsive either, anymore.  She will
purr a bit when I pet
her, but that's about it.

I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not
sure she's even strong
enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy,
or feeding tube
insertion anymore.  Considering the vet clinics i've
called don't know of an
oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere
nearby.

This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to
remember that even in
people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's
usually not much more that
can be done.  I know someone right now who has
cancer, and since the cancer
went into her liver, the doctors have stopped
aggressive treatment.  She has
only painkillers and 6 months to live.

Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief
Kisa was only a week ago,
I begin a new batch of tears.  She was absolutely
fearless, I could vacuum
her off, nothing would scare her.  Everytime I had
an empty box or bag out,
she would be in it.  She carried a little stuffed
panda around all the time,
and would proudly announce she had something special
in her mouth.  No
matter where I hid that panda, she would find it.
She could break into
anything, including the closets.

She's always been so loving and gentle too.  I could
pet her belly, the only
cat that would let me do that.  And when she played,
she would be so gentle
when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she
would make the perfect
kitty 

Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

What are they doing for her.
are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often 
are they checking on her??Private email me if you can

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet.  We 
don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here.  So basically, the 
on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at 
the clinic.


So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok.

Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, 
she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give 
fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is 
so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best 
decisions for her and it looks like you have,
The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a 
turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision 
just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely 
and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you 
can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with 
her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all 
night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so 
hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby.

Kelly


Thanks all,

Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now.  It tears me up to 
have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away 
from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel 
better.   I don't know if she seems so sick because of her 
disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is 
dehydrated, but I hope something helps.


I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at 
least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her.


She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the 
blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's 
anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try.  I just 
hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her.


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



Cassandra,

I am so sorry.  Kisa sounds like such a special kitty.
I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed
panda around.  What special memories you have of her.
Still praying for her to rally.  And for comfort for
you.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last
week, she's been getting
more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the
point where all she does is
hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding
spot, she vomits almost
immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't help the
vomiting, so I stopped
giving it.

The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more
difficult because if we
feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair
bit of the prior
feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of
times a day, and leave
it at that.  I think food may be the least of her
worries right now.  She's
probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting,
though I don't know how
to tell that for sure.  Her third eyelid is very
noticeable now.  She
shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just
sticks her paws in the
water and sniffs it.

Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her
since wednesday, I seriously
doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure where the
food is going after it
goes in.

She's not very responsive either, anymore.  She will
purr a bit when I pet
her, but that's about it.

I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not
sure she's even strong
enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy,
or feeding tube
insertion anymore.  Considering the vet clinics i've
called don't know of an
oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere
nearby.

This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to
remember that even in
people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's
usually not much more that
can be done.  I know someone right now who has
cancer, and since the cancer
went into her liver, the doctors have stopped
aggressive treatment.  She has
only painkillers and 6 months to live.

Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief
Kisa was only a week ago,
I begin a new batch of tears.  She was absolutely
fearless, I could vacuum
her off, nothing would scare her.  Everytime I had
an empty box or bag out,
she would be in it.  She carried a little stuffed
panda around all the time,
and would proudly announce she had something special
in her mouth.  No
matter where I hid that panda, she would find it.
She could break into
anything, including the closets.

She's always been so 

Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread C J
They are just putting her on IV for the night.  I'm going to get the 
previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over 
tomorrow morning.


I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic.

This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends.  All the vet 
clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on 
saturdays.  If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and 
you get charged something like $100 to see that vet.


Cassandra
- Original Message - 
From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

What are they doing for her.
are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are 
they checking on her??Private email me if you can

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet.  We don't 
have any 24 hour vet clinics around here.  So basically, the on-call vet 
will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic.


So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok.

Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she 
needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home 
and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby 
needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks 
like you have,
The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for 
the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them 
to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your 
arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite 
things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want 
to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any 
time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best 
for your baby.

Kelly


Thanks all,

Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now.  It tears me up to have 
to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, 
but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better.   I don't know if 
she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in 
her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps.


I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least 
this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her.


She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, 
and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at 
all I can do to help her, i've got to try.  I just hope she knows that 
i'm only doing all this to her because I love her.


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



Cassandra,

I am so sorry.  Kisa sounds like such a special kitty.
I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed
panda around.  What special memories you have of her.
Still praying for her to rally.  And for comfort for
you.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last
week, she's been getting
more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the
point where all she does is
hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding
spot, she vomits almost
immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't help the
vomiting, so I stopped
giving it.

The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more
difficult because if we
feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair
bit of the prior
feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of
times a day, and leave
it at that.  I think food may be the least of her
worries right now.  She's
probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting,
though I don't know how
to tell that for sure.  Her third eyelid is very
noticeable now.  She
shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just
sticks her paws in the
water and sniffs it.

Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her
since wednesday, I seriously
doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure where the
food is going after it
goes in.

She's not very responsive either, anymore.  She will
purr a bit when I pet
her, but that's about it.

I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not
sure she's even strong
enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy,
or feeding tube
insertion anymore.  Considering the vet clinics i've
called don't know of an
oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere
nearby.

This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to
remember that even in
people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's
usually not much more 

Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something 
in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL...
A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab 
results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy 
at home
Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a 
B$%^H...this is your baby...
Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How 
far are you from the closest 24 hour vet

I am here awake most of the the night
Kelly



They are just putting her on IV for the night.  I'm going to get the 
previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed 
over tomorrow morning.


I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic.

This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends.  All 
the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, 
and til noon on saturdays.  If you have to see a vet on the weekend, 
its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet.


Cassandra
- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

What are they doing for her.
are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often 
are they checking on her??Private email me if you can

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet.  We 
don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here.  So basically, the 
on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be 
at the clinic.


So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok.

Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, 
she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give 
fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is 
so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best 
decisions for her and it looks like you have,
The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a 
turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision 
just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her 
safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them 
if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you 
be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and 
post all night and email me privately any time and I will 
respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby.

Kelly


Thanks all,

Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now.  It tears me up 
to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die 
away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel 
better.   I don't know if she seems so sick because of her 
disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she 
is dehydrated, but I hope something helps.


I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at 
least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her.


She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the 
blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if 
there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to 
try.  I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her 
because I love her.


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



Cassandra,

I am so sorry.  Kisa sounds like such a special kitty.
I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed
panda around.  What special memories you have of her.
Still praying for her to rally.  And for comfort for
you.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last
week, she's been getting
more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the
point where all she does is
hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding
spot, she vomits almost
immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't help the
vomiting, so I stopped
giving it.

The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more
difficult because if we
feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair
bit of the prior
feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of
times a day, and leave
it at that.  I think food may be the least of her
worries right now.  She's
probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting,
though I don't know how
to tell that for sure.  Her third eyelid is very
noticeable now.  She
shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just
sticks her paws in the
water and sniffs it.

Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her
since wednesday, I seriously
doubt she's pooped at all.  

Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread C J
The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 vet 
clinics.  The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away.  They may have a 24 hour 
vet, but its not feasible to bring her there.  Tomorrow isn't a holiday 
here, we had our holiday last Monday.


There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight.  I 
can't tell them how to run their clinic.  It sucks, but i'm sure they check 
on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me if anything is 
wrong.


I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down.  I imagine they'll have 
to feed her tomorrow.  I didn't ask how that is done...do they normally do a 
tube feeding at the vet?


Cassandra

- Original Message - 
From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in 
her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL...
A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so 
they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home
Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a 
B$%^H...this is your baby...
Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far 
are you from the closest 24 hour vet

I am here awake most of the the night
Kelly



They are just putting her on IV for the night.  I'm going to get the 
previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over 
tomorrow morning.


I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the 
clinic.


This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends.  All the 
vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon 
on saturdays.  If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call 
vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet.


Cassandra
- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

What are they doing for her.
are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are 
they checking on her??Private email me if you can

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet.  We don't 
have any 24 hour vet clinics around here.  So basically, the on-call vet 
will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic.


So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok.

Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she 
needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at 
home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your 
baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it 
looks like you have,
The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn 
for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell 
them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un 
your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he 
favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you 
want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me 
privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing 
what is best for your baby.

Kelly


Thanks all,

Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now.  It tears me up to 
have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from 
home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better.   I don't 
know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the 
toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something 
helps.


I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least 
this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her.


She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the 
blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's 
anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try.  I just hope 
she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her.


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



Cassandra,

I am so sorry.  Kisa sounds like such a special kitty.
I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed
panda around.  What special memories you have of her.
Still praying for her to rally.  And for comfort for
you.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last
week, she's been getting
more lethargic day by 

Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman
You can  call THEM in the middle of the night  ask how she is!  That's 
what I would do.


No, they will not insert a tube to tube feed her unless you ask them to. 
They can't put in a naso-esophageal tube when she is vomiting, so the 
only one that they can  put in is one that bypasses the stomach.


Do you mean the ER vet is not 24 hours?  Or do you mean that they are 
only open when the other clinics are closed?


You don't say where you are.  What city of 50,000  what city is 2.5 
hours away.  When I was debating moving to work at Best Friends in Utah, 
St George was the nearest city of any size  that was 1.5 hours away.  
Las Vegas was 4 hours.  For my kitties I would make either of those 
trips.  For the  4 hour trip, I would just stay there if I had to sleep 
in my car.


Hoping for a miracle,

Pam

C  J wrote:
The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 
vet clinics.  The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away.  They may have 
a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her there.  Tomorrow 
isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday.


There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight.  
I can't tell them how to run their clinic.  It sucks, but i'm sure 
they check on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me 
if anything is wrong.


I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down.  I imagine they'll 
have to feed her tomorrow.  I didn't ask how that is done...do they 
normally do a tube feeding at the vet?


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something 
in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL...
A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab 
results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy 
at home
Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a 
B$%^H...this is your baby...
Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How 
far are you from the closest 24 hour vet

I am here awake most of the the night
Kelly



They are just putting her on IV for the night.  I'm going to get the 
previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed 
over tomorrow morning.


I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the 
clinic.


This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends.  All 
the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, 
and til noon on saturdays.  If you have to see a vet on the weekend, 
its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see 
that vet.


Cassandra
- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

What are they doing for her.
are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often 
are they checking on her??Private email me if you can

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet.  We 
don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here.  So basically, the 
on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be 
at the clinic.


So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok.

Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, 
she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give 
fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is 
so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best 
decisions for her and it looks like you have,
The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a 
turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision 
just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her 
safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them 
if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you 
be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and 
post all night and email me privately any time and I will 
respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your 
baby.

Kelly


Thanks all,

Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now.  It tears me up 
to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die 
away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel 
better.   I don't know if she seems so sick because of her 
disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she 
is dehydrated, but I hope something helps.


I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at 
least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to 

Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 05:41 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Are you in Canada???Glad it is not a Holiday for you there,,they have 
ways of getting food into the baby. Please reconsider a feeding 
tube,,,until the crisis passes, There are 3 different types, One just 
goes through the nose and is temporary, there is one that takes a 
minor surgery that starts at the neck and goes into the 
Esophagus,,,That seems to be the preferred method, the one that goes 
right into the gut is more dangerous and a higher risk of infection.
Perhaps if you are in Canada it may be more difficult to get the 
injectable meds,
Most vets here are happy to teach the owners how to do it, It takes 
about 5 minutes to learn and honestly it is the preferred method by 
the cats also,It is Not painful or stressful
 I use Reglan, and Anzamet by injection for cats that are 
vomitingI use the injectable, it makes sense that if they are 
throwing up they may not even keep the meds down.

I have fluids if you need them and have trouble getting them.
Please let me know how I can help
you can do a private email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any time
Kelly



The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 
vet clinics.  The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away.  They may 
have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her 
there.  Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday.


There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on 
overnight.  I can't tell them how to run their clinic.  It sucks, 
but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would 
hopefully call me if anything is wrong.


I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down.  I imagine 
they'll have to feed her tomorrow.  I didn't ask how that is 
done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet?


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets 
something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL...
A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab 
results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare 
copy at home
Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a 
B$%^H...this is your baby...
Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a 
hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet

I am here awake most of the the night
Kelly



They are just putting her on IV for the night.  I'm going to get 
the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet 
faxed over tomorrow morning.


I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic.

This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the 
weekends.  All the vet clinics around here are only open regular 
business hours, and til noon on saturdays.  If you have to see a 
vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged 
something like $100 to see that vet.


Cassandra
- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

What are they doing for her.
are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How 
often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour 
vet.  We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here.  So 
basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when 
he happens to be at the clinic.


So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok.

Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are 
right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to 
give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving 
injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and 
make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have,
The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a 
turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful 
decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and 
have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite 
blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her 
and they will let you be with her as much as you want 
to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me 
privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you 
are doing what is best for your baby.

Kelly


Thanks all,

Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now.  It tears me 
up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her 
die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her 
feel better.  

Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread C J
Yes I am in Canada, so i'm sure not all the drugs are the same, and 
availability may differ.


I was using Chloropromazine for the vomiting, but it didn't work.  I will 
ask about those other drugs.


So vomiting will preclude having a feeding tube in the esophagus?  If so, 
that could be a problem, as she vomits quite regularly, and has been doing 
so for a week now.


Cassandra

- Original Message - 
From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 05:41 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Are you in Canada???Glad it is not a Holiday for you there,,they have ways 
of getting food into the baby. Please reconsider a feeding tube,,,until 
the crisis passes, There are 3 different types, One just goes through the 
nose and is temporary, there is one that takes a minor surgery that starts 
at the neck and goes into the Esophagus,,,That seems to be the preferred 
method, the one that goes right into the gut is more dangerous and a 
higher risk of infection.
Perhaps if you are in Canada it may be more difficult to get the 
injectable meds,
Most vets here are happy to teach the owners how to do it, It takes about 
5 minutes to learn and honestly it is the preferred method by the cats 
also,It is Not painful or stressful
 I use Reglan, and Anzamet by injection for cats that are vomitingI 
use the injectable, it makes sense that if they are throwing up they may 
not even keep the meds down.

I have fluids if you need them and have trouble getting them.
Please let me know how I can help
you can do a private email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any time
Kelly



The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 vet 
clinics.  The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away.  They may have a 24 
hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her there.  Tomorrow isn't a 
holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday.


There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight.  I 
can't tell them how to run their clinic.  It sucks, but i'm sure they 
check on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me if 
anything is wrong.


I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down.  I imagine they'll 
have to feed her tomorrow.  I didn't ask how that is done...do they 
normally do a tube feeding at the vet?


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in 
her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL...
A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so 
they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home
Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a 
B$%^H...this is your baby...
Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far 
are you from the closest 24 hour vet

I am here awake most of the the night
Kelly



They are just putting her on IV for the night.  I'm going to get the 
previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over 
tomorrow morning.


I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the 
clinic.


This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends.  All the 
vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til 
noon on saturdays.  If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an 
on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet.


Cassandra
- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

What are they doing for her.
are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are 
they checking on her??Private email me if you can

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet.  We 
don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here.  So basically, the 
on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at 
the clinic.


So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok.

Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she 
needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at 
home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your 
baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and 
it looks like you have,
The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn 
for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just 
tell them to call you so you can go there and have 

Re: Thinking of Caroline

2007-05-27 Thread Kelley Saveika

Well, I talked to the vet again..this vet does not sound so optimistic.
She is well hydrated, temp normal, had a bowel movement and that was
normal.  They are syringe feeding.  She's not neurologically  normal
and is pretty non responsive, but no more seizures.

On 5/27/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nina

She is neg,and was retested neg/neg.  Thanks for the thoughts.

On 5/27/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Kelley,
 I'm sorry to hear about Caroline.  Prayers that she responds to the abx
 and starts feeling better very soon.  Your description of symptoms and
 possible causes sound eerily like what Michelle's Lucy went through.  I
 know you've had a lot of losses lately, it's always a chilling thought
 to think that in trying to help, we've exposed others to potential
 illness.  Is Caroline felv+?  Hang in there sweetie and remember that
 you have given the forgotten angels in your care the opportunity at
 life, love and comfort.  All we can do is all we can do.  Please let us
 know how she is doing,
 Nina

 Kelley Saveika wrote:
  She is still in the emergency clinic and will be there til Tuesday
  morning...they started her on clin.  She is also on Baytril.  Don't
  think she is on Doxy.
 
  On 5/27/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I don't know if it causes seizures, but my Spud was
  treated for it.  His HCT was down to 12.  They didn't
  hold out much hope.  It took a lot of intensive care
  feeding etc.  But, he did the entire 3 wk run with
  clin. and doxy.  His HCT is now up to 22...not normal,
  but he is hanging in there.
 
  God bless,
  Dede
 
 
  --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Does toxo usually cause seizures???
  
   On 5/27/07, Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
Kelly, I'm so sorry Caroline isn't doing well.
   Best vibes that it's the
toxo and nothing worse.  Hugs to both of you.
   
Diane R.
   
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
   Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Thinking of Caroline
   
I guess the best option is to hope and pray it is
   toxioplasmosis.
Brain cancer and dry FIP aren't treatable.  I told
   them to go ahead and
start her on the antibiotic to treat
   toxioplasmosis...
   
Kelley
   
On 5/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:

 She is in my thoughts and prayers!
 Hope the Vet is able to find out the cause of
   this.
 Take care of yourself!

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Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 07:17 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


It has been my experience that members in Canada have had trouble 
getting the fluids to give at home .please private email me if I 
can help...

thanks
Kelly


Yes I am in Canada, so i'm sure not all the drugs are the same, and 
availability may differ.


I was using Chloropromazine for the vomiting, but it didn't work.  I 
will ask about those other drugs.


So vomiting will preclude having a feeding tube in the 
esophagus?  If so, that could be a problem, as she vomits quite 
regularly, and has been doing so for a week now.


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 05:41 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Are you in Canada???Glad it is not a Holiday for you there,,they 
have ways of getting food into the baby. Please reconsider a 
feeding tube,,,until the crisis passes, There are 3 different 
types, One just goes through the nose and is temporary, there is 
one that takes a minor surgery that starts at the neck and goes 
into the Esophagus,,,That seems to be the preferred method, the one 
that goes right into the gut is more dangerous and a higher risk of infection.
Perhaps if you are in Canada it may be more difficult to get the 
injectable meds,
Most vets here are happy to teach the owners how to do it, It takes 
about 5 minutes to learn and honestly it is the preferred method by 
the cats also,It is Not painful or stressful
 I use Reglan, and Anzamet by injection for cats that are 
vomitingI use the injectable, it makes sense that if they are 
throwing up they may not even keep the meds down.

I have fluids if you need them and have trouble getting them.
Please let me know how I can help
you can do a private email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any time
Kelly



The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 
3 vet clinics.  The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away.  They 
may have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her 
there.  Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday.


There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on 
overnight.  I can't tell them how to run their clinic.  It sucks, 
but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would 
hopefully call me if anything is wrong.


I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down.  I imagine 
they'll have to feed her tomorrow.  I didn't ask how that is 
done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet?


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets 
something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL...
A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab 
results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare 
copy at home
Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a 
B$%^H...this is your baby...
Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a 
hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet

I am here awake most of the the night
Kelly



They are just putting her on IV for the night.  I'm going to get 
the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other 
vet faxed over tomorrow morning.


I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at 
the clinic.


This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the 
weekends.  All the vet clinics around here are only open regular 
business hours, and til noon on saturdays.  If you have to see a 
vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged 
something like $100 to see that vet.


Cassandra
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Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

What are they doing for her.
are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How 
often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour 
vet.  We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here.  So 
basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her 
when he happens to be at the clinic.


So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok.

Cassandra

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Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are 
right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you 
to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving 
injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and 
make the best decisions for her and it looks 

Toxo- contagious or no?

2007-05-27 Thread Kelley Saveika

No one seems to be able to tell me.  I researched it some and it seems
to come from eating raw meat, such as mice?

But Caroline doesn't mouse...

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Re: Toxo- contagious or no?

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 08:38 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


It should NOT be contagious


No one seems to be able to tell me.  I researched it some and it seems
to come from eating raw meat, such as mice?

But Caroline doesn't mouse...

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2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman



Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed 
tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing 
her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?




Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My Paddy, who is 
now 22, had one about 2 years ago  has never had another, knock on 
wood. Apparently this happens.


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Re: Kelley

2007-05-27 Thread Kelley Saveika

Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying
dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.  She's being
monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times today
starting at 6 am and been there once.

On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed
tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing
her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?


Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My Paddy, who is
now 22, had one about 2 years ago  has never had another, knock on
wood. Apparently this happens.

Pam



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Re: Kelley

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 08:59 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:



Good ,,keep 'em on their toes!!Keep us up to date please,,,
Kelly



Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying
dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.  She's being
monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times today
starting at 6 am and been there once.

On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed
tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing
her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?


Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My Paddy, who is
now 22, had one about 2 years ago  has never had another, knock on
wood. Apparently this happens.

Pam



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Re: Kelley

2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman

How does she respond to you?



Kelley Saveika wrote:

Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying
dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.  She's being
monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times today
starting at 6 am and been there once.

On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed
tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing
her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?


Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My Paddy, who is
now 22, had one about 2 years ago  has never had another, knock on
wood. Apparently this happens.

Pam



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2007-05-27 Thread Kelley Saveika

Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so it is
hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there..

On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

How does she respond to you?



Kelley Saveika wrote:
 Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying
 dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.  She's being
 monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times today
 starting at 6 am and been there once.

 On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed
 tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing
 her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?

 
 Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My Paddy, who is
 now 22, had one about 2 years ago  has never had another, knock on
 wood. Apparently this happens.
 
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Re: Kelley

2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman

And her eyes are not reactive? At all?

If she can't blink, does that mean she can't close her eyes?


P

Kelley Saveika wrote:

Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so it is
hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there..

On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

How does she respond to you?



Kelley Saveika wrote:
 Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying
 dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.  She's being
 monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times today
 starting at 6 am and been there once.

 On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed
 tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing
 her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?

 
 Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My Paddy, who is
 now 22, had one about 2 years ago  has never had another, knock on
 wood. Apparently this happens.
 
 Pam
 
 
 
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