Re: Plastic bags
While you are at it: Please make sure lids from cans are completely off and not just bent back. When I was working I found a little stray who was trying to lick a can clean and got his head stuck. You have no idea how hard it is to get a panicked stray/feral's head out of a can. I still don't know what the cat looked like. Once he was freed he put a cheetah to shame with his speedy escape. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 10:13 PM Subject: Plastic bags While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all plastic actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get their heads caught in the handles strangle. So please please cut those loops! For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things holding 6 paks together. Those things have been found around the necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these things will tighten around their necks. Pam
Re: Good thoughts for Caroline
Well, I just got off the phone with them. The short list of suspected diagnoses is not good. Dry FIP, toxoplasmosis, tumor, possibly brain tumor. She doesn't have the reflex to where you close your eye when you think someone's going to poke it..forgot which reflex this is. Her liver enzymes are a little elevated, all the rest of her bloodwork is ok. $700 down the drain and we don't even know what it is... On 5/26/07, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley,good thoughts and prayers going out to you and Carline. Sherry Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got up this morning and Carline was sick. I took her to the hospital..she had 2 seizures in the car...they don't know what is wrong with her but she will be staying in the ER for the weekend...it doesn't look very good. She's lost a lot of weight and was dehydrated w/vomiting -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Thinking of Caroline
Just wanted you to know that you both are in my thoughts and prayers this AM. I hope you find positive solutions to Caroline's illness. God bless, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
Re: Thinking of Caroline
Thank you. She's very ill. I'm not sure the right thing to do. On 5/27/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wanted you to know that you both are in my thoughts and prayers this AM. I hope you find positive solutions to Caroline's illness. God bless, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Plastic bags
Wow didn't think this subject would last this long. Anyway, I recycle my plastic bags. I dump dirty cat litter in them then put that into the bags that the clean litter comes in. So there isn't a smell. I remember years ago one of my Mom's cats got hung up in the handle parts and scared him so bad that I thought he was going to have a heart attack. He went flying through the house with it stuck on his body. To top it off he was a high strung Siamese. I felt so bad for him. In general the only time there is any plastic out is when I'm changing the litter boxes or garbage cans. Tazzy just sits there and licks it. Of course it's before it has the dirty litter in it. In a message dated 5/26/2007 8:22:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 08:13 PM 5/26/2007, you wrote: Why can we lobby to have them made of a thin cardboard so they will biodegrade..I hate them!! While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all plastic actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get their heads caught in the handles strangle. So please please cut those loops! For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things holding 6 paks together. Those things have been found around the necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these things will tighten around their necks. Pam Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: Thinking of Caroline
She is in my thoughts and prayers! Hope the Vet is able to find out the cause of this. Take care of yourself! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: Thinking of Caroline
I guess the best option is to hope and pray it is toxioplasmosis. Brain cancer and dry FIP aren't treatable. I told them to go ahead and start her on the antibiotic to treat toxioplasmosis... Kelley On 5/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is in my thoughts and prayers! Hope the Vet is able to find out the cause of this. Take care of yourself! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ See what's free at AOL.com. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
RE: Thinking of Caroline
Kelly, I'm so sorry Caroline isn't doing well. Best vibes that it's the toxo and nothing worse. Hugs to both of you. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Thinking of Caroline I guess the best option is to hope and pray it is toxioplasmosis. Brain cancer and dry FIP aren't treatable. I told them to go ahead and start her on the antibiotic to treat toxioplasmosis... Kelley On 5/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is in my thoughts and prayers! Hope the Vet is able to find out the cause of this. Take care of yourself! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ See what's free at AOL.com. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Thinking of Caroline
Does toxo usually cause seizures??? On 5/27/07, Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly, I'm so sorry Caroline isn't doing well. Best vibes that it's the toxo and nothing worse. Hugs to both of you. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Thinking of Caroline I guess the best option is to hope and pray it is toxioplasmosis. Brain cancer and dry FIP aren't treatable. I told them to go ahead and start her on the antibiotic to treat toxioplasmosis... Kelley On 5/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is in my thoughts and prayers! Hope the Vet is able to find out the cause of this. Take care of yourself! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ See what's free at AOL.com. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Plastic bags
What we should do is to bring our own reusable bags when we shop. Pam Kelly L wrote: At 08:13 PM 5/26/2007, you wrote: Why can we lobby to have them made of a thin cardboard so they will biodegrade..I hate them!! While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all plastic actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get their heads caught in the handles strangle. So please please cut those loops! For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things holding 6 paks together. Those things have been found around the necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these things will tighten around their necks. Pam -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/818 - Release Date: 5/25/2007 12:32 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/818 - Release Date: 5/25/2007 12:32 PM
Re: Plastic bags
I wonder if it's not better to NOT let the lid come off completely but leave it attached when the can i s empty, push the lid closed again, in such a way that the lid is held down under the brim o f the can. Pam Marylyn wrote: While you are at it: Please make sure lids from cans are completely off and not just bent back. When I was working I found a little stray who was trying to lick a can clean and got his head stuck. You have no idea how hard it is to get a panicked stray/feral's head out of a can. I still don't know what the cat looked like. Once he was freed he put a cheetah to shame with his speedy escape. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 10:13 PM Subject: Plastic bags While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all plastic actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get their heads caught in the handles strangle. So please please cut those loops! For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things holding 6 paks together. Those things have been found around the necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these things will tighten around their necks. Pam
Re: Plastic bags
I do the same thing with my used litter, then tie the bag shut, cut the handles put them in a commercial dumpster near where I feed my ferals. Pam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: */Wow didn't think this subject would last this long./* *//* */Anyway, I recycle my plastic bags. I dump dirty cat litter in them then put that into the bags that the clean litter comes in. So there isn't a smell./* *//* */I remember years ago one of my Mom's cats got hung up in the handle parts and scared him so bad that I thought he was going to have a heart attack. He went flying through the house with it stuck on his body. To top it off he was a high strung Siamese./* */I felt so bad for him./* *//* */In general the only time there is any plastic out is when I'm changing the litter boxes or garbage cans. Tazzy just sits there and licks it. Of course it's before it has the dirty litter in it./* In a message dated 5/26/2007 8:22:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 08:13 PM 5/26/2007, you wrote: Why can we lobby to have them made of a thin cardboard so they will biodegrade..I hate them!! While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all plastic actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get their heads caught in the handles strangle. So please please cut those loops! For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things holding 6 paks together. Those things have been found around the necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these things will tighten around their necks. Pam *//* */Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com//**/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ /* See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503.
Re: Thinking of Caroline
Apparently it can. When JuneAmy was with me started having seizures, that was one of the things we tested for. In her case we never found the reason because the lymphoma took her so soon after she got here. Pam Kelley Saveika wrote: Does toxo usually cause seizures??? On 5/27/07, Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly, I'm so sorry Caroline isn't doing well. Best vibes that it's the toxo and nothing worse. Hugs to both of you. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Thinking of Caroline I guess the best option is to hope and pray it is toxioplasmosis. Brain cancer and dry FIP aren't treatable. I told them to go ahead and start her on the antibiotic to treat toxioplasmosis... Kelley On 5/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is in my thoughts and prayers! Hope the Vet is able to find out the cause of this. Take care of yourself! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ See what's free at AOL.com. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
new diagnosis
Hello everyone I just joined this group as I have just had two FeLV positive test results on my year old kitten. I adopted her from a cat shelter two months ago with many health issues (upper respiratory, diarrhea giardia, stomatits). I was told that she was FeLV negative and figured I could deal with all of the above because they were not life threatening and once I got her out of the shelter 'colony' and to our vets, that she would get well. She didn't. On Friday I took her to my homeopathic vet who insisted that she be tested again for FeLV, and the test came back positive and the second test result which I got on Saturday was also positive. Needless to say I am devastated. Both of the vets that I use are being supportive and hopeful. When I adopted a positive kitten 20 years ago I was told that she had to be put down because she would infect my other cat. This is not the case now. We have two Scotties and had recently lost a 19 year old cat, and a 21 year old the year before. This cat, MeMe, is an absolute love. My homeopath put her on a probiotic that she is excited about FortiFlora, and liquid DMG as well as help in weaning her to Archetype food as she is addicted to Fancy Feast which my vet calls 'kitty crack'. I have been overwhelmed with the amount of information I am finding on the Web. Some of it seems very optimistic, some, bordering on fantasy. I joined this group hoping to share information with real people who are living and coping with this disease. I keep re-reading the Home page on this site which states that Feline Leukemia is not a death sentence. I would appreciate any information which could be helpful to MeMe. Thank you Jane
Re: new diagnosis
At 10:24 AM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Welcome..and THANK YOU No it is not a death sentence as you will see here. i just returned from Best friends where I met Many old,,,15-22 year old cats .. Unfortunately when kittens get it they seem to have a shorter life span, My guy is a year and a half, Best Friends give their leukemia cats 1/4 cc immuno regulin I.M each month,,I use that and alferon natural interferon,,, a good diet and lots of love!!! and have other cats also and do not worry about it spreading to my adult vaccinated cats, But Max my FELV cat live primarily away form the others with his own friends,,, I do not want him catching anything else. Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com Hello everyone I just joined this group as I have just had two FeLV positive test results on my year old kitten. I adopted her from a cat shelter two months ago with many health issues (upper respiratory, diarrhea giardia, stomatits). I was told that she was FeLV negative and figured I could deal with all of the above because they were not life threatening and once I got her out of the shelter 'colony' and to our vets, that she would get well. She didn't. On Friday I took her to my homeopathic vet who insisted that she be tested again for FeLV, and the test came back positive and the second test result which I got on Saturday was also positive. Needless to say I am devastated. Both of the vets that I use are being supportive and hopeful. When I adopted a positive kitten 20 years ago I was told that she had to be put down because she would infect my other cat. This is not the case now. We have two Scotties and had recently lost a 19 year old cat, and a 21 year old the year before. This cat, MeMe, is an absolute love. My homeopath put her on a probiotic that she is excited about FortiFlora, and liquid DMG as well as help in weaning her to Archetype food as she is addicted to Fancy Feast which my vet calls 'kitty crack'. I have been overwhelmed with the amount of information I am finding on the Web. Some of it seems very optimistic, some, bordering on fantasy. I joined this group hoping to share information with real people who are living and coping with this disease. I keep re-reading the Home page on this site which states that Feline Leukemia is not a death sentence. I would appreciate any information which could be helpful to MeMe. Thank you Jane -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping in mind that you are limited to location and funding. That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots. They will not cure anything, but will keep her very comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do chemo. They are steroids, but much stronger than prednisone. I am so sorry Kisa is having to go through this (and you as well). Prayers going out for both of you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra, I just read this email. How is Kisa doing today? I am not caught up yet. I hope she's better. Prayers going out for both of you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite. I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now. I don't understand why this is all happening at once. First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months. As soon as he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure, and died. Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a super healthy and active cat to death's door. I haven't even had enough time to get used to Koda being
Re: Good thoughts for Caroline
I'm so sorry you and Caroline have to go through this. I hope they can figure out what the problem is and be able to help her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Good thoughts for Caroline I got up this morning and Carline was sick. I took her to the hospital..she had 2 seizures in the car...they don't know what is wrong with her but she will be staying in the ER for the weekend...it doesn't look very good. She's lost a lot of weight and was dehydrated w/vomiting -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/817 - Release Date: 5/24/2007 4:01 PM
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
You should be giving her subqs at least! You are fast approaching the point, if not already there yet, where if you are not going to put in a tube to feed her you are not going to consult an oncologist, that continuing as she is now would be only prolonging her suffering. She is not going to just slip away naturally peacefully. She is very sick, with hepatic lipidosis on top of everything else, plus her body is starving. If nothing further is going to be done for her beyond what has been, which clearly is not helping, then you must consider letting her go. This is not going to turn around without serious intervention. I am not talking surgery, I am talking about insertion of a feeding tube to get critical nourishment into her extend her life long enough to see an oncologist find out where or what the cancer is whether treatable or not. If that isn't going to be done, then there is no hope you MUST consider her clearly declining quality of life let her go. Pam C J wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping in mind that you are limited to location and funding. That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots. They will not cure anything, but will keep her very comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do chemo. They are steroids, but much stronger than prednisone. I am so sorry Kisa is having to go through this (and you as well). Prayers going out for both of you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra, I just read this email. How is Kisa doing today? I am not caught up yet. I hope she's better. Prayers going out for both of you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
At 11:50 AM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I agree with Pam she is suffering,,,she needs the tube and fluids, Please do let her just lie there suffering,,All the medications CAN be given via injection.She is dying,,, Kelly Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping in mind that you are limited to location and funding. That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots. They will not cure anything, but will keep her very comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do chemo. They are steroids, but much stronger than prednisone. I am so sorry Kisa is having to go through this (and you as well). Prayers going out for both of you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra, I just read this email. How is Kisa doing today? I am not caught up yet. I hope she's better. Prayers going out for both of you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite. I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now. I don't understand why this is all happening at once. First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months. As soon as he started
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
My dear Cassandra, Please take a look at the archives about my Spencer. When we got to the point that you are now, I decided to stop trying to force feed and medicate beyond his daily dex shot and in his case, occasional nose drops to help his congestion and breathing. I don't know if the dex shots would help Kisa the way they did Spence, but for him, it gave us another month of quality life and love together. He perked up almost immediately and while I still had to have a vet come to the house to help him cross, I wouldn't have given up that last month with him for anything. It gave us time to say goodbye and helped ease the transition for both of us. I'm so sorry you guys are suffering so, you have my sympathy and understanding. There is nothing worse than watching a loved one suffer and wishing that you had the power to change things. Acceptance is always difficult. Sometimes even with all the intervention money can buy, even with access to a specialist, even if you were inclined to continue with force feedings, medications and subq fluids, it doesn't change the sad outcome and we end up regretting the intervention that did nothing but make them miserable for the time they had left. There are times when we have to just let go of the struggle to control outcomes and instead BE with them, love them and concentrate on making them as comfortable as possible. Sometimes we are left with no other alternatives than to accept and respect their journey. The folks on the list are urging you to do what they think is best. As well intentioned as the advice you are getting is, it's not up to us. You are there, you know your limitations and what may or may not be possible. It is obvious how much you love her and how difficult this last 3 months have been for you. I'm sending you and Kisa love and strength, listen to her, together you'll decide what to do. Nina C J wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: To Cassandra
Re: Thinking of Caroline
Nina She is neg,and was retested neg/neg. Thanks for the thoughts. On 5/27/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, I'm sorry to hear about Caroline. Prayers that she responds to the abx and starts feeling better very soon. Your description of symptoms and possible causes sound eerily like what Michelle's Lucy went through. I know you've had a lot of losses lately, it's always a chilling thought to think that in trying to help, we've exposed others to potential illness. Is Caroline felv+? Hang in there sweetie and remember that you have given the forgotten angels in your care the opportunity at life, love and comfort. All we can do is all we can do. Please let us know how she is doing, Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: She is still in the emergency clinic and will be there til Tuesday morning...they started her on clin. She is also on Baytril. Don't think she is on Doxy. On 5/27/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if it causes seizures, but my Spud was treated for it. His HCT was down to 12. They didn't hold out much hope. It took a lot of intensive care feeding etc. But, he did the entire 3 wk run with clin. and doxy. His HCT is now up to 22...not normal, but he is hanging in there. God bless, Dede --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does toxo usually cause seizures??? On 5/27/07, Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly, I'm so sorry Caroline isn't doing well. Best vibes that it's the toxo and nothing worse. Hugs to both of you. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Thinking of Caroline I guess the best option is to hope and pray it is toxioplasmosis. Brain cancer and dry FIP aren't treatable. I told them to go ahead and start her on the antibiotic to treat toxioplasmosis... Kelley On 5/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is in my thoughts and prayers! Hope the Vet is able to find out the cause of this. Take care of yourself! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ See what's free at AOL.com. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Thinking of Caroline
Kelley, I'm sorry to hear about Caroline. Prayers that she responds to the abx and starts feeling better very soon. Your description of symptoms and possible causes sound eerily like what Michelle's Lucy went through. I know you've had a lot of losses lately, it's always a chilling thought to think that in trying to help, we've exposed others to potential illness. Is Caroline felv+? Hang in there sweetie and remember that you have given the forgotten angels in your care the opportunity at life, love and comfort. All we can do is all we can do. Please let us know how she is doing, Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: She is still in the emergency clinic and will be there til Tuesday morning...they started her on clin. She is also on Baytril. Don't think she is on Doxy. On 5/27/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if it causes seizures, but my Spud was treated for it. His HCT was down to 12. They didn't hold out much hope. It took a lot of intensive care feeding etc. But, he did the entire 3 wk run with clin. and doxy. His HCT is now up to 22...not normal, but he is hanging in there. God bless, Dede --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does toxo usually cause seizures??? On 5/27/07, Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly, I'm so sorry Caroline isn't doing well. Best vibes that it's the toxo and nothing worse. Hugs to both of you. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Thinking of Caroline I guess the best option is to hope and pray it is toxioplasmosis. Brain cancer and dry FIP aren't treatable. I told them to go ahead and start her on the antibiotic to treat toxioplasmosis... Kelley On 5/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is in my thoughts and prayers! Hope the Vet is able to find out the cause of this. Take care of yourself! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ See what's free at AOL.com. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
RE: Abandoned
Bless your hearts for taking these babies in, and for your caring even for the one who was past help. Best of luck with them, I would actually worry a little about what the Humane Society would do with them, right now in the middle of kitten season. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie and Brian Morton Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 11:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Abandoned Just went to a nearby town by way of back roads. Saw a car parked at the edge of a field. Saw a bunch of tiny kittens and thought they were being rescued. On the way home the kittens were still there - 1 dead-run over by the car that dumped them! We now have 5 more mouths to feed (on top of 13 cats and 2 dogs). Unless the Humane society will take them. All gray, some long hair some short haired, some with white. How can people be so cruel! They are only about 4 weeks old. My husband was king enough to bring the dead one home and he buried it by our cedars. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/761 - Release Date: 4/14/2007 9:36 PM
Re: new diagnosis
Hello Jane and welcome. Every one of us on this list has lived through the fear and confusion you are facing. This list has been a haven for me and so many others, I'm so very glad you've found us. It sounds like you have a wonderful vet and that MeMe, (very cute name, I can just picture how she came to name herself that), is in loving and capable hands. You are both blessed to have found each other. I'm praying that she recovers from her symptoms and that you have many years together. Take a look at our archives using key words to search for advice on her symptoms. Ask as many questions on specifics as you like and feel free to vent, cry or just share how special she is. Give that little angel a head butt from me. Nina Jane Lyons wrote: Hello everyone I just joined this group as I have just had two FeLV positive test results on my year old kitten. I adopted her from a cat shelter two months ago with many health issues (upper respiratory, diarrhea giardia, stomatits). I was told that she was FeLV negative and figured I could deal with all of the above because they were not life threatening and once I got her out of the shelter 'colony' and to our vets, that she would get well. She didn't. On Friday I took her to my homeopathic vet who insisted that she be tested again for FeLV, and the test came back positive and the second test result which I got on Saturday was also positive. Needless to say I am devastated. Both of the vets that I use are being supportive and hopeful. When I adopted a positive kitten 20 years ago I was told that she had to be put down because she would infect my other cat. This is not the case now. We have two Scotties and had recently lost a 19 year old cat, and a 21 year old the year before. This cat, MeMe, is an absolute love. My homeopath put her on a probiotic that she is excited about FortiFlora, and liquid DMG as well as help in weaning her to Archetype food as she is addicted to Fancy Feast which my vet calls 'kitty crack'. I have been overwhelmed with the amount of information I am finding on the Web. Some of it seems very optimistic, some, bordering on fantasy. I joined this group hoping to share information with real people who are living and coping with this disease. I keep re-reading the Home page on this site which states that Feline Leukemia is not a death sentence. I would appreciate any information which could be helpful to MeMe. Thank you Jane
Re: Plastic bags
That works unless something hits the lid and cracks it. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Plastic bags I wonder if it's not better to NOT let the lid come off completely but leave it attached when the can i s empty, push the lid closed again, in such a way that the lid is held down under the brim o f the can. Pam Marylyn wrote: While you are at it: Please make sure lids from cans are completely off and not just bent back. When I was working I found a little stray who was trying to lick a can clean and got his head stuck. You have no idea how hard it is to get a panicked stray/feral's head out of a can. I still don't know what the cat looked like. Once he was freed he put a cheetah to shame with his speedy escape. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 10:13 PM Subject: Plastic bags While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all plastic actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get their heads caught in the handles strangle. So please please cut those loops! For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things holding 6 paks together. Those things have been found around the necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these things will tighten around their necks. Pam
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping in mind that you are limited to location and funding. That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots. They will not cure anything, but will keep her very comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do chemo. They are steroids, but much stronger than prednisone. I am so sorry Kisa is having to go through this (and you as well). Prayers going out for both of you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra, I just read this email. How is Kisa doing today? I am not caught up yet. I hope she's better. Prayers going out for both of you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite.
To all: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
I want to piggy back on what Nina wrote. She is right that what happens with Kisa is not up to us. We should all remember that it's up to Kisa and Cassandra what happens next. I remember reading some posts when Cricket was dying urging me to do this or that. Ultimately, it was Cricket's and my decision and I felt a bit isolated for fear that what I did decide to do or not do would offend someone. This group should offer suggestions in the spirit of helping, as it usually does. Members of this group should not tell someone what they should or should not do. Please respect Cassandra's decision-making when it comes to Kisa's welfare. She is making her decisions out of her personal beliefs and love for Kisa and whatever she decides we should respect. :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My dear Cassandra, Please take a look at the archives about my Spencer. When we got to the point that you are now, I decided to stop trying to force feed and medicate beyond his daily dex shot and in his case, occasional nose drops to help his congestion and breathing. I don't know if the dex shots would help Kisa the way they did Spence, but for him, it gave us another month of quality life and love together. He perked up almost immediately and while I still had to have a vet come to the house to help him cross, I wouldn't have given up that last month with him for anything. It gave us time to say goodbye and helped ease the transition for both of us. I'm so sorry you guys are suffering so, you have my sympathy and understanding. There is nothing worse than watching a loved one suffer and wishing that you had the power to change things. Acceptance is always difficult. Sometimes even with all the intervention money can buy, even with access to a specialist, even if you were inclined to continue with force feedings, medications and subq fluids, it doesn't change the sad outcome and we end up regretting the intervention that did nothing but make them miserable for the time they had left. There are times when we have to just let go of the struggle to control outcomes and instead BE with them, love them and concentrate on making them as comfortable as possible. Sometimes we are left with no other alternatives than to accept and respect their journey. The folks on the list are urging you to do what they think is best. As well intentioned as the advice you are getting is, it's not up to us. You are there, you know your limitations and what may or may not be possible. It is obvious how much you love her and how difficult this last 3 months have been for you. I'm sending you and Kisa love and strength, listen to her, together you'll decide what to do. Nina C J wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce
Re: Abandoned
What a king you have! Prayers going out that these kitties' welfare will be looked after and loving homes found for all five. :) Wendy --- Debbie and Brian Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just went to a nearby town by way of back roads. Saw a car parked at the edge of a field. Saw a bunch of tiny kittens and thought they were being rescued. On the way home the kittens were still there - 1 dead-run over by the car that dumped them! We now have 5 more mouths to feed (on top of 13 cats and 2 dogs). Unless the Humane society will take them. All gray, some long hair some short haired, some with white. How can people be so cruel! They are only about 4 weeks old. My husband was king enough to bring the dead one home and he buried it by our cedars. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/761 - Release Date: 4/14/2007 9:36 PM Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
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bless you both. (take down license numbers, folks, it's that time of year. sadly.) -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
She understands that but would much rather be with you two as you would rather be with her. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:57 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping in mind that you
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From:
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping in mind that you are limited to location and funding. That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots. They will not cure anything, but will keep her very comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do chemo. They are steroids, but much stronger than prednisone. I am so sorry Kisa is having to go through this (and you as well). Prayers going out for both of you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra, I just read this email. How is Kisa doing today? I am not caught up yet. I hope she's better. Prayers going out for both of you. :)
To Elizabeth Paz: re: Prednisone and doing great......
Hi Elizabeth, I am catching up on my posts so forgive me for the late reply. I am really curious about your furbaby. You said that he was a kitten when he was diagnosed with FeLV. Some kittens throw off the virus and live healthy lives as a negative afterwards. When was the last time you had him tested? Are you sure he's still FeLV? If he is, it's wonderful that he's 7+ and still going strong!!! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
To Sheila: Re: Charlie Brown - Long
Sheila, I am so sorry to hear about Charlie Brown. It sounds like you are very in tune to what he wants and that's a good thing. I am behind on emails so I'm not sure if he's still with you. Prayers going out for both of you. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Charlie Brown is leaving me. This wonderful old man has been with me for fifteen years. I've never had a sweeter or smarter cat in my life. He was diagnosed with felv four years ago. The doctor said he was very sick and he wouldn't make it another week and wanted to put him down, He wouldn't even give me antibiotics to try and help his respiratory infection. I brought him home gave him amoxi drops I had from another kitties uri bout, food and water and round the clock love and care. He started to improve right away and had been healthy and happy for four more years. Two days ago I woke to find him unable to walk. I thought he wouldn't make it through the morning, but he is still here. I know in my heart that he does not want to be put down in a doctors office he is fighting so hard to stay, as sick as he is he still tries to crawl to food plate. He doesn't want me to syringe feed him, he wants me to hold him over his plate so he can eat own his own. He is the toughest little guy I have ever known and I am so grateful for the last four years we have had together. Please pray for us both. Sheila ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty
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At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL... A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a B$%^H...this is your baby... Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet I am here awake most of the the night Kelly They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all.
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The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 vet clinics. The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away. They may have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her there. Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday. There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight. I can't tell them how to run their clinic. It sucks, but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me if anything is wrong. I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down. I imagine they'll have to feed her tomorrow. I didn't ask how that is done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL... A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a B$%^H...this is your baby... Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet I am here awake most of the the night Kelly They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by
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You can call THEM in the middle of the night ask how she is! That's what I would do. No, they will not insert a tube to tube feed her unless you ask them to. They can't put in a naso-esophageal tube when she is vomiting, so the only one that they can put in is one that bypasses the stomach. Do you mean the ER vet is not 24 hours? Or do you mean that they are only open when the other clinics are closed? You don't say where you are. What city of 50,000 what city is 2.5 hours away. When I was debating moving to work at Best Friends in Utah, St George was the nearest city of any size that was 1.5 hours away. Las Vegas was 4 hours. For my kitties I would make either of those trips. For the 4 hour trip, I would just stay there if I had to sleep in my car. Hoping for a miracle, Pam C J wrote: The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 vet clinics. The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away. They may have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her there. Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday. There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight. I can't tell them how to run their clinic. It sucks, but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me if anything is wrong. I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down. I imagine they'll have to feed her tomorrow. I didn't ask how that is done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL... A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a B$%^H...this is your baby... Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet I am here awake most of the the night Kelly They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
At 05:41 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Are you in Canada???Glad it is not a Holiday for you there,,they have ways of getting food into the baby. Please reconsider a feeding tube,,,until the crisis passes, There are 3 different types, One just goes through the nose and is temporary, there is one that takes a minor surgery that starts at the neck and goes into the Esophagus,,,That seems to be the preferred method, the one that goes right into the gut is more dangerous and a higher risk of infection. Perhaps if you are in Canada it may be more difficult to get the injectable meds, Most vets here are happy to teach the owners how to do it, It takes about 5 minutes to learn and honestly it is the preferred method by the cats also,It is Not painful or stressful I use Reglan, and Anzamet by injection for cats that are vomitingI use the injectable, it makes sense that if they are throwing up they may not even keep the meds down. I have fluids if you need them and have trouble getting them. Please let me know how I can help you can do a private email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any time Kelly The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 vet clinics. The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away. They may have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her there. Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday. There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight. I can't tell them how to run their clinic. It sucks, but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me if anything is wrong. I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down. I imagine they'll have to feed her tomorrow. I didn't ask how that is done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL... A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a B$%^H...this is your baby... Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet I am here awake most of the the night Kelly They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better.
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
Yes I am in Canada, so i'm sure not all the drugs are the same, and availability may differ. I was using Chloropromazine for the vomiting, but it didn't work. I will ask about those other drugs. So vomiting will preclude having a feeding tube in the esophagus? If so, that could be a problem, as she vomits quite regularly, and has been doing so for a week now. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 05:41 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Are you in Canada???Glad it is not a Holiday for you there,,they have ways of getting food into the baby. Please reconsider a feeding tube,,,until the crisis passes, There are 3 different types, One just goes through the nose and is temporary, there is one that takes a minor surgery that starts at the neck and goes into the Esophagus,,,That seems to be the preferred method, the one that goes right into the gut is more dangerous and a higher risk of infection. Perhaps if you are in Canada it may be more difficult to get the injectable meds, Most vets here are happy to teach the owners how to do it, It takes about 5 minutes to learn and honestly it is the preferred method by the cats also,It is Not painful or stressful I use Reglan, and Anzamet by injection for cats that are vomitingI use the injectable, it makes sense that if they are throwing up they may not even keep the meds down. I have fluids if you need them and have trouble getting them. Please let me know how I can help you can do a private email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any time Kelly The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 vet clinics. The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away. They may have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her there. Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday. There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight. I can't tell them how to run their clinic. It sucks, but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me if anything is wrong. I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down. I imagine they'll have to feed her tomorrow. I didn't ask how that is done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL... A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a B$%^H...this is your baby... Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet I am here awake most of the the night Kelly They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have
Re: Thinking of Caroline
Well, I talked to the vet again..this vet does not sound so optimistic. She is well hydrated, temp normal, had a bowel movement and that was normal. They are syringe feeding. She's not neurologically normal and is pretty non responsive, but no more seizures. On 5/27/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina She is neg,and was retested neg/neg. Thanks for the thoughts. On 5/27/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, I'm sorry to hear about Caroline. Prayers that she responds to the abx and starts feeling better very soon. Your description of symptoms and possible causes sound eerily like what Michelle's Lucy went through. I know you've had a lot of losses lately, it's always a chilling thought to think that in trying to help, we've exposed others to potential illness. Is Caroline felv+? Hang in there sweetie and remember that you have given the forgotten angels in your care the opportunity at life, love and comfort. All we can do is all we can do. Please let us know how she is doing, Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: She is still in the emergency clinic and will be there til Tuesday morning...they started her on clin. She is also on Baytril. Don't think she is on Doxy. On 5/27/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if it causes seizures, but my Spud was treated for it. His HCT was down to 12. They didn't hold out much hope. It took a lot of intensive care feeding etc. But, he did the entire 3 wk run with clin. and doxy. His HCT is now up to 22...not normal, but he is hanging in there. God bless, Dede --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does toxo usually cause seizures??? On 5/27/07, Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly, I'm so sorry Caroline isn't doing well. Best vibes that it's the toxo and nothing worse. Hugs to both of you. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Thinking of Caroline I guess the best option is to hope and pray it is toxioplasmosis. Brain cancer and dry FIP aren't treatable. I told them to go ahead and start her on the antibiotic to treat toxioplasmosis... Kelley On 5/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is in my thoughts and prayers! Hope the Vet is able to find out the cause of this. Take care of yourself! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ See what's free at AOL.com. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
At 07:17 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: It has been my experience that members in Canada have had trouble getting the fluids to give at home .please private email me if I can help... thanks Kelly Yes I am in Canada, so i'm sure not all the drugs are the same, and availability may differ. I was using Chloropromazine for the vomiting, but it didn't work. I will ask about those other drugs. So vomiting will preclude having a feeding tube in the esophagus? If so, that could be a problem, as she vomits quite regularly, and has been doing so for a week now. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 05:41 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Are you in Canada???Glad it is not a Holiday for you there,,they have ways of getting food into the baby. Please reconsider a feeding tube,,,until the crisis passes, There are 3 different types, One just goes through the nose and is temporary, there is one that takes a minor surgery that starts at the neck and goes into the Esophagus,,,That seems to be the preferred method, the one that goes right into the gut is more dangerous and a higher risk of infection. Perhaps if you are in Canada it may be more difficult to get the injectable meds, Most vets here are happy to teach the owners how to do it, It takes about 5 minutes to learn and honestly it is the preferred method by the cats also,It is Not painful or stressful I use Reglan, and Anzamet by injection for cats that are vomitingI use the injectable, it makes sense that if they are throwing up they may not even keep the meds down. I have fluids if you need them and have trouble getting them. Please let me know how I can help you can do a private email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any time Kelly The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 vet clinics. The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away. They may have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her there. Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday. There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight. I can't tell them how to run their clinic. It sucks, but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me if anything is wrong. I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down. I imagine they'll have to feed her tomorrow. I didn't ask how that is done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL... A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a B$%^H...this is your baby... Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet I am here awake most of the the night Kelly They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks
Toxo- contagious or no?
No one seems to be able to tell me. I researched it some and it seems to come from eating raw meat, such as mice? But Caroline doesn't mouse... -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Toxo- contagious or no?
At 08:38 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: It should NOT be contagious No one seems to be able to tell me. I researched it some and it seems to come from eating raw meat, such as mice? But Caroline doesn't mouse... -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
Kelley
Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive? Have you ever had a cat before that had seizures? My Paddy, who is now 22, had one about 2 years ago has never had another, knock on wood. Apparently this happens. Pam -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
Re: Kelley
Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying dearly. They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet. She's being monitored around the clock. I've called up there 5 times today starting at 6 am and been there once. On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive? Have you ever had a cat before that had seizures? My Paddy, who is now 22, had one about 2 years ago has never had another, knock on wood. Apparently this happens. Pam -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Kelley
At 08:59 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Good ,,keep 'em on their toes!!Keep us up to date please,,, Kelly Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying dearly. They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet. She's being monitored around the clock. I've called up there 5 times today starting at 6 am and been there once. On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive? Have you ever had a cat before that had seizures? My Paddy, who is now 22, had one about 2 years ago has never had another, knock on wood. Apparently this happens. Pam -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
Re: Kelley
How does she respond to you? Kelley Saveika wrote: Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying dearly. They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet. She's being monitored around the clock. I've called up there 5 times today starting at 6 am and been there once. On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive? Have you ever had a cat before that had seizures? My Paddy, who is now 22, had one about 2 years ago has never had another, knock on wood. Apparently this happens. Pam -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
Re: Kelley
Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so it is hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there.. On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does she respond to you? Kelley Saveika wrote: Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying dearly. They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet. She's being monitored around the clock. I've called up there 5 times today starting at 6 am and been there once. On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive? Have you ever had a cat before that had seizures? My Paddy, who is now 22, had one about 2 years ago has never had another, knock on wood. Apparently this happens. Pam -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Kelley
And her eyes are not reactive? At all? If she can't blink, does that mean she can't close her eyes? P Kelley Saveika wrote: Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so it is hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there.. On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does she respond to you? Kelley Saveika wrote: Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying dearly. They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet. She's being monitored around the clock. I've called up there 5 times today starting at 6 am and been there once. On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive? Have you ever had a cat before that had seizures? My Paddy, who is now 22, had one about 2 years ago has never had another, knock on wood. Apparently this happens. Pam -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM