Re: outdoor enclosures
MeMe is SUCH a lucky little furchild! Can you do a fence or do you want an enclosure? Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 3, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Jane Lyons wrote: I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions, but hopefully we can get the newness of this diagnosis and all the issues it raises on the right path ... Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats that works well. Again, I Googled the category and there are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone might have experience with a design or quality that works. I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young life on her own because she can climb trees better than squirrels and seems to know her way around the terrain. I need an enclosure that will allow her some measure of freedom and activity. I appreciate any information or leads someone might have. Jane
Re: outdoor enclosures
New York is just like that! Just a joke~~I once lived there and I do miss it! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 3, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Pam Norman wrote: The PVC coated wire mesh works fine in Wisconsin fine in Utah. I don't see why it wouldn't work in NY! It's very strong, 4x4 coated wire. Pam dede hicken wrote: Yeah, the mesh was great in Fl. I even brought some with me. Guess what? It doesn't work in NY...sigh. We were told by a large cat sanctuary (Peace Plantation) to use 1x2 galvanized welded rabbit wire. He showed us what 2 winters did to the mesh. They had spent $6,500 on it and it bombed. The stupid manufacturer said It's not for commercial use Well duh, if it works, it works. Zip ties don't work here either. It's very hard to describe what we've done now by writing. I can tell you that in Fl. we got a 10x10 enclosure from Ace Hardware and covered it using mesh and zip ties. Some folks use fish line. You have to adapt the door so they can't get through. a chain link fence guy can do that for you. We will be using Kittywalk to connect the 2 enclosures we will have here. Dede --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have what I call a catiary cause it looks like an aviary. It was built at the same time as my deck so it could be incorporated into the plan. It's between a wing of the deck the house goes from ground level to roof level of single story house. The floor is concrete for cleaning - a lockable screen door goes to the yard the walls are 4 PVC coated mesh that is exactly what BestFriends uses in their outdoor rooms. It's VERY strong does not cut down on light as does most of the regular, weaker, tearable mesh screen. Inside there are shelves at staggered heights for sunning romping. I scrounded a tall thick tree branch a really crookedy one that are propped in one corner for climbing scratching. The roof is that coorrugated plastic. I keep one or two litter boxes out there. The cats have access to the catiary from a cat door from the screened porch access to the screened porch from a cat door into the kitchen. Works great. In cold weather they can go out there without letting the cold into the house. I looked at enclosures on the web found that utterly boring. I think the best ones are the ones that the people design themselves. Y ou .should be able to get a handyman to build it. The man who built mine along with the deck got a huge kick out of it. Said he'd never had a cat room on his resume before! Pam Jane Lyons wrote: I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions, but hopefully we can get the newness of this diagnosis and all the issues it raises on the right path ... Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats that works well. Again, I Googled the category and there are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone might have experience with a design or quality that works. I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young life on her own because she can climb trees better than squirrels and seems to know her way around the terrain. I need an enclosure that will allow her some measure of freedom and activity. I appreciate any information or leads someone might have. Jane When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 _ ___ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: Horus Please Add to the CLS :(
Sherry, I'm so sorry. Horus was lucky to have someone like Dr. Jen to take care of him. t Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Horus I only got to know through e-mails and pic from Dr. Jen.He had to have one of his eyes removed and was blind in the other.He suffered severe head trauma and lived at Jens house.He slept next to her every night and purred his little heart out to her.(I am crying now as I write this) Dr. Jen became very attached to this beautiful black boy.He lost control of his tongue and was not able to eat properly.She really HATED to admit defeat but had to let him go on the 27th.He was also felv+. I admire ALL that she does for these wonderful babies!! Thank you all for being here for me. Sherry - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.
Re: any suggestions
Seems to me when I've had to give Drontal it was given 2 weeks apart twice after the initial dose, so first dose, 2 weeks later second dose and then 2 weeks later final dose. I think it was given for both round worm and tape worm. It's been awhile but that's what I remember. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Update on Kisa
Cassandra, my vet gave me liquid doxy for one of my cats. It ws the 1st time I had ever seen it. The problem is that it has a very short shelf life. dede --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These pills come in a gelcap already. The problem is, she squirms and moves her tongue around like crazy, so I have to try avoiding the tongue and getting the pill right to the back of her throat, or else she bites it. Once she bites it, she foams at the mouth like crazy, so it must taste really bad. I think the vet techs were having a heck of a time giving her pills too when she was there. I am trying to coat it in butter, but cat food juice sounds good too. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa I find that the easiest way is to cut the tablet up put it in a small gelcap. Then roll the gelcap in cat food juices. Makes it slippery tastes good so they swallow! Not like sticking a nasty pill in that sticks someplace in the mouth to be spit out later on. Pam C J wrote: Yes i'm giving her doxy, but she's one heck of a tough kitty to give pills to. Tomi is way easier to give pills. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa Cassandra, I hope she is still getting the doxy otherwise your only prolonging the inevitable, hemo does not go away on its own. If her anemia is because od hemo she needs the doxy to live. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
Re: Dontral dosage was Kisa
I've been looking this up and a lot of site are saying one dose is sufficient to give for worms, roundworms, tapeworms and hookworms were mentioned. I think Fred got multiple doses because he has had tapeworm several times and roundworms twice, not sure why he is prone to them he was indoor only at the times this happened and we have never had a big flea problem. From what I understand though is it only takes one flea ... The strength of the dose is determined by the animals weight. Why is Kisa getting this? I'm behind on messages but still praying for Kisa to keep feeling better and regaining her strength. And as someone else said it is extremely important to make sure she gets her doxy and to wash it down with a treat or some fluid. Maybe try giving her some baby food after her doxy. Sometimes if they aren't that interested in baby food, warming it slightly will make it more appealing. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: sorry for the wrong reply
OK apparently the drotal wasn't for Kisa but MeMe for giardia, this is what I found on treatment for giardia, Joey has had this and did not get drontal for that, he got pancuer. This is written by a vet, Dr Mike: http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/cgiardia.html The recommendations for eliminating giardia from a multiple cat household are somewhat forbidding. It is considered to be best to treat all the cats with fenbendazole (Panacur Rx) at 50mg/kg once a day for 3 days. Then move the cats to an area that has been cleaned thoroughly and disinfected with quaternary ammonium disinfectant or steam cleaned. Then steam clean or disinfect the part of the house the cats were previously living in. Bathe all the cats, clipping long haired cats if necessary to ensure removal of all fecal material from their hair. It is supposed to be safe to disinfect cats with the quaternary ammonium disinfectant (Barr et. al., May 1994 Compenium on Continuing Education) but I have to admit that I wouldn't want to recommend that to most of my clients. Put the cats back into the original area several days after it is cleaned and allowed to dry thoroughly. Administer fenbendazole again. Repeat the process until the infection is permanently cleared from the household. If cats can become re-exposed from a contaminated water source it may be impossible to completely control giardia infection. You might want to consider the vaccination for giardia in that circumstance (cuts down on shedding, decreases diarrhea, doesn't prevent infection in most cats) and/or routine use of fenbendazole on a schedule that seems reasonable to you and your vet. Any new cats should be treated with fenbendazole prior to their introduction into the household. The briefer answer to your question is that if you clean the bowls well then really air dry them thoroughly, they should not be a contamination source. If you want to be extra careful, pour boiling water in them, wash them in the dishwasher and/or use disinfectants on them. Unless there is something really strange going on in your water system, there should be no way that washing the bowls contaminants the rest of the household water supply --- although it theoretically might expose you to infection directly and the sink could be contaminated and serve as a method of spreading the infection. I hope this is helpful. Mike Richards, DVM 4/6/2002 Here is a site that say's Drontal has been shown to be effective against giardia as well as other drugs that work, but if it is causing nausea and vomiting maybe something else would be better: http://www.manhattancats.com/Articles/Giardia.html *Overview* Giardia is a protozoan parasite found all over the world. It can affect humans, most types of domesticated mammals, and birds. The parasite lives in the intestinal tract and causes damage to the intestines. Giardia can affect either sex, and any breed, although it is most commonly seen in young animals and animals confined together in groups, such as in kennels, shelters, and pet stores. Although most cases of human Giardia point to other sources of infection (person-to-person contact, or by contaminated water), animals do harbor strains of Giardia that are infective to humans, and animal to human transmission is theoretically possible. Diarrhea is the most common sign of infection. Some animals may vomit in addition to the diarrhea. Weight loss may occur secondary to the diarrhea. In many instances, a cat may be infected with Giardia, but show no clinical signs at all. There are several ways to diagnose Giardia infection. The most common methods involve analysis of a fecal sample. Direct analysis of a fecal sample may lead to a quick diagnosis. A fecal sample can also be sent to a diagnostic laboratory for more sophisticated immunology-based diagnostic tests.* * *Treatment * Several drugs have been used to treat Giardia infections. Antiparasitic drugs are the mainstay of therapy, however, additional measures, such as adding extra fiber to the diet, can help hasten recovery.* * Metrodinazole (Flagyl) has been used extensively to treat Giardia in dogs and cats, as well as in people. This drug has reasonable efficacy, and has an added advantage of being effective against other protozoans and some bacteria that might also be contributing to the diarrhea. Side effects involving the nervous system have been reported in some animals, although this is uncommon. Fenbendazole (Panacur) is a dewormer that kills common worms such as hookworms, roundworms, and whipworms. When given at the normal deworming dose, fenbendazole is also very effective in treating Giardia. This drug is very safe and fairly inexpensive. Praziquantel/pyrantel/febantel (Drontal Plus) is a combination dewormer that treats hookworms, roundworms, whipworms and tapeworms. Recent studies show that it is effective against Giardia as well. -- Belinda
Update on my rescued amish babies...
I think some of you will remember my story about the momma and babies I rescued from an amish farm and the mom was tested by a vet tech which said she has FeLV. I posted on here for info. and so forth...well...we took them to the local humane society for some vet care because our rescue gets special rates through them...I did not trust the vet tech so I had momma's combo test redone...she turns out not to have FeLV...she has FIV which I guess is a much better disease for her to end up having esp. since the babies may not have it...We plan to have the 10 week old babies spayed/neutered and the rest of their shots done as well as combo testing them...the negative ones will be put up for adoption and the positive ones I will probably keep until 6 months old to retest and we will go from there... I want to thank all of you so much for all of the useful important information you provided me. I will now know what to do if I do end up with a FeLV kitty in the future... Sheryl Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
Re: was - Update on Kisa, now liver shake ingredients
Think I would stick with the carrot juice or leave the veggies out all together. Just my opinion. Tomatoes can be toxic to cats: http://cats.about.com/cs/catfood/a/humanfood.htm *Tomatoes, Green (raw Potatoes)* These foods are members of the Solanaceae family of plants, which includes the Deadly Nightshade, and contain a bitter, poisonous alkaloid called / Glycoalkaloid Solanine/, which can cause violent lower gastrointestinal symptoms. The Feline Future web site offers a rare description of a cat which was close to death from ingesting just one cherry tomato. http://site.pawshop.com/blog/archive/2006_08_20_archive.html Tomatoes and tomato plants: Tomatoes of all kinds are toxic to cats, as are parts of the tomato plant. Ingesting as little as a cherry tomato can cause severe gastrointestinal upset. http://www.dietbites.com/Diet-123/dog-cat-foods-to-avoid.html Tomatoes - May cause heart disturbances. http://www.petshealth.com/dr_library/cattox.html#t -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: Update on Kisa
Cassandra, I hope all is going well with you and Kisa this week. It's such good news that she's doing a little bit better. It's just too bad that the vets have to be that way. I know they think they're looking out for Kisa's best interest, but I think that there may be so many options that they just don't bother to explore which could lengthen Kisa's time here as well as improve her time with you. It's a wonderful thing and a great blessing that there are people like you who are willing to try. My vet suggested putting my FeLV to sleep, and he wasn't even outwardly sick! He's now very happy at Best Friends. I think too often people don't think of animals as deserving as people, but I'm glad that there are those out there who do. Stay strong and best wishes for you and your fur baby. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C J Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Update on Kisa My guess, is her rapid breathing is caused by anemia. She is very pale, her feet and gums are much paler than normal. I am wondering if the hemobart is possibly causing her immune system to attack its own red blood cells, and the Dex is slowling that down. It could be lymphoma too though, its hard to say. Basically the vets aren't very helpful for me anymore. The one vet I was dealing with that was actually being helpful is gone for a few weeks now, and all the other vets want to do is put her to sleep. I hate even consulting them, because they just try to talk me into putting her to sleep. When I got the IV bag, the vet I talked to said to give her like 200ml per day. I think that's way too much right now...when it took her like 12 hours to absorb 100ml. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa Hey Cassandra, Wow, I am surprised and so happy that Kisa is rallying! I hope she can pull through. The dex can make a difference. I think the combo shot I mentioned early on shrinks lymphoma, according to Michelle, the girl who used to be here who knows a lot about it. If that's the case, and she does have lymphoma, it might explain the easier breathing. Maybe something is growing quickly and pressing on her lungs or throat. My cat with CRF gets 200 CC a week of subQ fluids, but she is not in grave danger as Kisa is. She walks around with a little sac of fluid hanging off her little bony body for a few hours before it absorbs. She feels so much better after it's done. How much did the vet say you should give Kisa? I would ask them so that you don't overdo it. Keeping my fingers crossed for you guys. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A small update on Kisa. I didn't think she would make it through the night, and at one point I checked on her and thought she was gone, because I didn't see the heavy breathing. She did make it through the night, and I was seriously considering taking her in to the vet for euthanasia. I asked her if I should, and was very upset I wasn't strong enough to make that decision. Well, now she actually looks a little bit better. She's very weak, but she seems more alert and her breathing, while still fast, isn't quite as labored and she's not breathing through her mouth. It could be the dexamethasone making some sort of difference. And then the strangest thing of all happened, she ate about 1 and a half tablespoons of pureed liver, by licking it off the back of a spoon. This is the first time in two weeks since this started, that she didn't gag at the very sight/smell of food. I couldn't believe she actually ate. She must not be feeling as nauseous, and so far she hasn't vomited today. I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but this is the first positive thing that has happened for her in two weeks. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how she does over the next couple of days. If she's trying to get better, she has an awful lot to overcome yet in order to do so. I've got a full IV bag of sub-q fluids to keep her hydrated at least. Just a question on that, how much fluid should she get in a day? I gave her about 100ml, six hours ago, and it still hasn't all soaked in from under the skin at the back of her neck. Cassandra Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 -
Re: LOLCats
oh, yes, lance some of us have seen them. two of my cats were featured last week as a matter of fact (not my captions, tho i still need a lot of work on those) without identifying the other person on the list, there are at least two of us here who owe what little remaining sanity we have to icanhascheezburger... while some of the captions are lame, some are positively brilliant--the true Laugh Out Loud stuff, and if you read the comments associated with each photo, you'll find captions etc that are often funnier than the original... i've learned a lot about the modern world, too--texting shorthard, gaming jargon, all sorts of stuff that i'm way too old for. great fun. MC On 6/3/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if any of you have seen these, but they're kinda funny. They're basically a combination of the Hang In There, Baby posters, and pidgin English/text message-speak. Wikipedia discusses them here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolcats A good site for browsing them: http://icanhascheezburger.com/ That is all. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: LOLCats
I WAS laughing out loud at some of them. Had to haul my roommate, an IT/computer guy, into the room for a few of them too. MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh, yes, lance some of us have seen them. two of my cats were featured last week as a matter of fact (not my captions, tho i still need a lot of work on those) without identifying the other person on the list, there are at least two of us here who owe what little remaining sanity we have to icanhascheezburger... while some of the captions are lame, some are positively brilliant--the true Laugh Out Loud stuff, and if you read the comments associated with each photo, you'll find captions etc that are often funnier than the original... i've learned a lot about the modern world, too--texting shorthard, gaming jargon, all sorts of stuff that i'm way too old for. great fun. MC On 6/3/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if any of you have seen these, but they're kinda funny. They're basically a combination of the Hang In There, Baby posters, and pidgin English/text message-speak. Wikipedia discusses them here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolcats A good site for browsing them: http://icanhascheezburger.com/ That is all. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
How is Miss Kisa doing today?
Hey Cassandra, Just wondering how Kisa is doing today? I hope she is stronger and fighting the hemo really well. Best wishes to her and prayers still going out for you both. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
Re: Update on Kisa
Doxy also comes in an injection. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
OT:NEW TEST - AGP - Reference Lab Available for FIP samples
FYI...Do not know if any of you received this message from other sources. My reputable breeder friends sent this to me. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Date: June 4, 2007 11:40:46 AM PDT To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: NEW TEST - AGP - Reference Lab Available for FIP samples Dear Breeder Alpha Acid Glycoprotein is an Acute Phase Protein which has been shown to be very useful in distinguishing FIP from other clinically similar conditions. We now have a lab available for AGP testing, the contact information for the lab is below my signature . In addition to this information I would like to direct you to the web site of Dr Diane Addie _http://www.dr-addie.com/WhatIsFIP.htm_ (http://www.dr-addie.com/WhatIsFIP.htm) Doctor Addie is from Glasgow Scotland and she is on the forefront of FIP research. Dr Addie has included on her web site information concerning the value of AGP monitoring in confirming or ruling out a diagnosis of FIP Feel free to share this information with your veterinarian Thank You Jeff Sarno Cardiotech Services Louisville KY 502 473 7066 Cardiotech Services, Inc Elisabeth Zenger, DVM, PhD Bay Area Veterinary Specialists 14790 Washington Ave San Leandro, CA 94578 510-483-7387 E mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: OT:NEW TEST - AGP - Reference Lab Available for FIP samples
Dear Terrie- THANK YOU!!! PROFUSELY!!! I intend to give that info. to my vet, who had diagnosed my ancient, sweet, 'ole Puma with both toxo AND (dry) FIP... I wasn't thrilled w/ results... Highly doubtful about the whole FIP dx. But, my Puma HAS recovered from the toxo, and showing NO signs of any other illness - other than senility, but, hey, that comes w/ age he is certainly entitled to that!!! Poor boy had a rough time before I rescued him... :( But, now he's happy, loved to smithereens, ALWAYS has plenty to eat, has a fur-ever home!!! But, he does have to put up w/ me!!! Thanks again, Love, Patti her gang (Puma -numero uno) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: OT:NEW TEST - AGP - Reference Lab Available for FIP samples
I wll run this past the FIP group. It sounds like the DNA-PCR test Unfortunately it is still not sufficiently reliable to tell us if a cat actually has FIP and there are both false negatives and false positives. In other words, don't get your hopes up. The search continues. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI...Do not know if any of you received this message from other sources. My reputable breeder friends sent this to me. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: June 4, 2007 11:40:46 AM PDT To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: NEW TEST - AGP -Reference Lab Available for FIP samples Dear Breeder Alpha Acid Glycoprotein is an Acute Phase Protein which has been shown to be very useful in distinguishing FIP from other clinically similar conditions. We now have a lab available for AGP testing, the contact information for the lab is below my signature . In addition to this information I would like to direct you to the web site of Dr Diane Addie http://www.dr-addie.com/WhatIsFIP.htm Doctor Addie is from Glasgow Scotland and she is on the forefront of FIP research. Dr Addie has included on her web site information concerning the value of AGP monitoring in confirming or ruling out a diagnosis of FIP Feel free to share this information with your veterinarian Thank You Jeff Sarno Cardiotech Services Louisville KY 502 473 7066 Cardiotech Services, Inc Elisabeth Zenger, DVM, PhD Bay Area Veterinary Specialists 14790 Washington Ave San Leandro, CA 94578 510-483-7387 E mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ - See what's free at AOL.com.
Re: LOLCats
am moving this over to the OT list. hee hee. On 6/4/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I WAS laughing out loud at some of them. Had to haul my roommate, an IT/computer guy, into the room for a few of them too. *MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: oh, yes, lance some of us have seen them. two of my cats were featured last week as a matter of fact (not my captions, tho i still need a lot of work on those) without identifying the other person on the list, there are at least two of us here who owe what little remaining sanity we have to icanhascheezburger... while some of the captions are lame, some are positively brilliant--the true Laugh Out Loud stuff, and if you read the comments associated with each photo, you'll find captions etc that are often funnier than the original... i've learned a lot about the modern world, too--texting shorthard, gaming jargon, all sorts of stuff that i'm way too old for. great fun. MC On 6/3/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if any of you have seen these, but they're kinda funny. They're basically a combination of the Hang In There, Baby posters, and pidgin English/text message-speak. Wikipedia discusses them here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolcats A good site for browsing them: http://icanhascheezburger.com/ That is all. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT:NEW TEST - AGP - Reference Lab Available for FIP samples
okay, the AGP test shows great promise, however, it is STILL considered to be nothing more than one tool in the arsenal. there's been a lot of info on this test on the fanciers-health list; i know that kelley is on that one--i just sent someone the info on this test, but darned if i can remember whom. i'll try to remember to look it up and send to the list--the bottom line here, tho, is that this guy is with the lab that is marketing/performing the test--not EXACTLY an unbiased bystander. MC susan, are you on FAN-H? On 6/4/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wll run this past the FIP group. It sounds like the DNA-PCR test Unfortunately it is still not sufficiently reliable to tell us if a cat actually has FIP and there are both false negatives and false positives. In other words, don't get your hopes up. The search continues. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI...Do not know if any of you received this message from other sources. My reputable breeder friends sent this to me. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: June 4, 2007 11:40:46 AM PDT To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: NEW TEST - AGP -Reference Lab Available for FIP samples Dear Breeder Alpha Acid Glycoprotein is an Acute Phase Protein which has been shown to be very useful in distinguishing FIP from other clinically similar conditions. We now have a lab available for AGP testing, the contact information for the lab is below my signature . In addition to this information I would like to direct you to the web site of Dr Diane Addie http://www.dr-addie.com/WhatIsFIP.htm Doctor Addie is from Glasgow Scotland and she is on the forefront of FIP research. Dr Addie has included on her web site information concerning the value of AGP monitoring in confirming or ruling out a diagnosis of FIP Feel free to share this information with your veterinarian Thank You Jeff Sarno Cardiotech Services Louisville KY 502 473 7066 Cardiotech Services, Inc Elisabeth Zenger, DVM, PhD Bay Area Veterinary Specialists 14790 Washington Ave San Leandro, CA 94578 510-483-7387 E mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** *Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/* http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ -- See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
AGP test, per susan little, DVM (winn feline foundation)
Dear Dr. Susan Little what do you think of this test? There is a company in the US that has been bombarding vets and breeders and cat owners for over a year about their test kit for AGP. AGP is an acute phase protein and can be useful as PART of the diagnostics for FIP. AGP is not specific for FIP, it can be elevated in any feline inflammatory disease. It is not routinely available in North America, but is more commonly used in Europe. I have no idea if this company makes a reliable test kit. I am suspicious of their marketing approach. __^^__^^__^^__^^__^^__^^ Susan Little, DVM, DABVP (Feline) President, Winn Feline Foundation http://www.winnfelinehealth.org http://www.winnfelinehealth.blogspot.com/ VIN Consultant (Feline, Repro/Genetics) http://www.vin.com __^^__^^__^^__^^__^^__^^ -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Update on Kisa
Thank you. Yes I get the impression from alot of vets that pets are somewhat disposable...if it starts giving alot of problems, throw it away and get a new one. This is how I would treat an old car, not a living creature. I've received much more help from this message list than I have from the vets. If it wasn't for this list, both Tomi and Kisa would probably be gone by now. Thank goodness for the people here that care so much and are willing to share their experiences. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:59 PM Subject: RE: Update on Kisa Cassandra, I hope all is going well with you and Kisa this week. It's such good news that she's doing a little bit better. It's just too bad that the vets have to be that way. I know they think they're looking out for Kisa's best interest, but I think that there may be so many options that they just don't bother to explore which could lengthen Kisa's time here as well as improve her time with you. It's a wonderful thing and a great blessing that there are people like you who are willing to try. My vet suggested putting my FeLV to sleep, and he wasn't even outwardly sick! He's now very happy at Best Friends. I think too often people don't think of animals as deserving as people, but I'm glad that there are those out there who do. Stay strong and best wishes for you and your fur baby. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C J Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Update on Kisa My guess, is her rapid breathing is caused by anemia. She is very pale, her feet and gums are much paler than normal. I am wondering if the hemobart is possibly causing her immune system to attack its own red blood cells, and the Dex is slowling that down. It could be lymphoma too though, its hard to say. Basically the vets aren't very helpful for me anymore. The one vet I was dealing with that was actually being helpful is gone for a few weeks now, and all the other vets want to do is put her to sleep. I hate even consulting them, because they just try to talk me into putting her to sleep. When I got the IV bag, the vet I talked to said to give her like 200ml per day. I think that's way too much right now...when it took her like 12 hours to absorb 100ml. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa Hey Cassandra, Wow, I am surprised and so happy that Kisa is rallying! I hope she can pull through. The dex can make a difference. I think the combo shot I mentioned early on shrinks lymphoma, according to Michelle, the girl who used to be here who knows a lot about it. If that's the case, and she does have lymphoma, it might explain the easier breathing. Maybe something is growing quickly and pressing on her lungs or throat. My cat with CRF gets 200 CC a week of subQ fluids, but she is not in grave danger as Kisa is. She walks around with a little sac of fluid hanging off her little bony body for a few hours before it absorbs. She feels so much better after it's done. How much did the vet say you should give Kisa? I would ask them so that you don't overdo it. Keeping my fingers crossed for you guys. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A small update on Kisa. I didn't think she would make it through the night, and at one point I checked on her and thought she was gone, because I didn't see the heavy breathing. She did make it through the night, and I was seriously considering taking her in to the vet for euthanasia. I asked her if I should, and was very upset I wasn't strong enough to make that decision. Well, now she actually looks a little bit better. She's very weak, but she seems more alert and her breathing, while still fast, isn't quite as labored and she's not breathing through her mouth. It could be the dexamethasone making some sort of difference. And then the strangest thing of all happened, she ate about 1 and a half tablespoons of pureed liver, by licking it off the back of a spoon. This is the first time in two weeks since this started, that she didn't gag at the very sight/smell of food. I couldn't believe she actually ate. She must not be feeling as nauseous, and so far she hasn't vomited today. I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but this is the first positive thing that has happened for her in two weeks. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how she does over the next couple of days. If she's trying to get better, she has an awful lot to overcome yet in order to do so. I've got a full IV bag of sub-q fluids to keep her hydrated at least. Just a question on that, how much fluid should she get in a day? I gave her about 100ml, six hours ago, and it still hasn't all
Re: How is Miss Kisa doing today?
Thank you. Kisa is improving, slowly but steadily. She still hides under the bed all day, but her breathing has slowed down to pretty much normal while resting. Her gums are pale, but they don't look yellow anymore. Finally, she is bathing herself again, and cleaning up all that stained fur. She is eating fairly decently. I've got her eating liver, a raw chicken puree, and a bit of canned food. She still prefers to lick it off the back of a spoon, but will nibble a bit off a plate as well now. She only seems to eat when we feed her though, the food doesn't get touched when we just leave it with her. Kisa is still very weak. When I bring her into bed with us, she'll sometimes try jumping into the window and not make it. Hopefully her strength will return if she can build up her red blood cells again. I'm not sure if she still has the liver problem and the Dexamethasone is just making her feel well enough to eat, or if somehow the problem is clearing up. Time will tell. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:20 PM Subject: How is Miss Kisa doing today? Hey Cassandra, Just wondering how Kisa is doing today? I hope she is stronger and fighting the hemo really well. Best wishes to her and prayers still going out for you both. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/830 - Release Date: 6/3/2007 12:47 PM
Re: How is Miss Kisa doing today?
At 07:03 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote: You are doing a wonderful job. Take a breath and do something for yourself, Even if Kissa is sitting on your lab while you do it, so glad her breathing is improved..so very glad. Kelly Thank you. Kisa is improving, slowly but steadily. She still hides under the bed all day, but her breathing has slowed down to pretty much normal while resting. Her gums are pale, but they don't look yellow anymore. Finally, she is bathing herself again, and cleaning up all that stained fur. She is eating fairly decently. I've got her eating liver, a raw chicken puree, and a bit of canned food. She still prefers to lick it off the back of a spoon, but will nibble a bit off a plate as well now. She only seems to eat when we feed her though, the food doesn't get touched when we just leave it with her. Kisa is still very weak. When I bring her into bed with us, she'll sometimes try jumping into the window and not make it. Hopefully her strength will return if she can build up her red blood cells again. I'm not sure if she still has the liver problem and the Dexamethasone is just making her feel well enough to eat, or if somehow the problem is clearing up. Time will tell. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:20 PM Subject: How is Miss Kisa doing today? Hey Cassandra, Just wondering how Kisa is doing today? I hope she is stronger and fighting the hemo really well. Best wishes to her and prayers still going out for you both. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/830 - Release Date: 6/3/2007 12:47 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/830 - Release Date: 6/3/2007 12:47 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/830 - Release Date: 6/3/2007 12:47 PM
OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
Phelix was taking care of me today because I home and not feeling well. He's always by my side and took a nap with me. He's the one with allergies that was born with only one eye. He's been scratching a lot lately and I woke up and looked at him and he couldn't open his eye! And there was blood. I nearly panicked. I didn't care how bad I felt - I was getting that boy to the doctor. By the time we got there - he was looking a lot better and looking around - no bleeding - but I was so worried and I really need to protect his one good eye. They examined it and put drops in and looked to make sure he hadn't scratched his cornea. They also checked his ears - they look good...and checked for fleas (he doesn't have any). The vet thinks that when Phelix was scratching, his dew claw caught his eye and ripped through the bottom eyelid. They trimmed those for me and gave him a steroid shot because he's really been itchy lately (his tummy is bald but his ears have really been itchy). They gave him some salve for me to use in his eye 2-3 times a day -- it just says 'BNP-HC ophth. ointment'. It has an antibiotic and a steroid in it. Since Phelix's ears are so itchy, we're going to do the tresoderm a few days too just to be extra sure. I feel bad because I'm not very good about keeping toenails trimmedbut I sure will from now on! Thank goodness I was home when that happened. It looks much, much better now and Phelix keeps telling me it was no big deal. Just thought I'd pass that along in case it would help someone else. Phelix thinks it is his god-given right to go outside everyday when I get home and roll in the lavender. He'll let me know if I'm not fast enough letting him out. Today when I took him in the girls kept saying --- Phelix smells like lavender!! :0) He's such a ladies man. All good thoughts to you and your fur babies. elizabeth
Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
ok - here's the medicine (read the insert): Vetropolycin HC (bacitracin-neomycin-polymyxin with hydrocortisone acetate 1% veterinary ophthalmic ointment -- sterile --- antibacterial) apply 1/4 inch strip under the eyelid 2-3 times daily. On 6/4/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phelix was taking care of me today because I home and not feeling well. He's always by my side and took a nap with me. He's the one with allergies that was born with only one eye. He's been scratching a lot lately and I woke up and looked at him and he couldn't open his eye! And there was blood. I nearly panicked. I didn't care how bad I felt - I was getting that boy to the doctor. By the time we got there - he was looking a lot better and looking around - no bleeding - but I was so worried and I really need to protect his one good eye. They examined it and put drops in and looked to make sure he hadn't scratched his cornea. They also checked his ears - they look good...and checked for fleas (he doesn't have any). The vet thinks that when Phelix was scratching, his dew claw caught his eye and ripped through the bottom eyelid. They trimmed those for me and gave him a steroid shot because he's really been itchy lately (his tummy is bald but his ears have really been itchy). They gave him some salve for me to use in his eye 2-3 times a day -- it just says 'BNP-HC ophth. ointment'. It has an antibiotic and a steroid in it. Since Phelix's ears are so itchy, we're going to do the tresoderm a few days too just to be extra sure. I feel bad because I'm not very good about keeping toenails trimmedbut I sure will from now on! Thank goodness I was home when that happened. It looks much, much better now and Phelix keeps telling me it was no big deal. Just thought I'd pass that along in case it would help someone else. Phelix thinks it is his god-given right to go outside everyday when I get home and roll in the lavender. He'll let me know if I'm not fast enough letting him out. Today when I took him in the girls kept saying --- Phelix smells like lavender!! :0) He's such a ladies man. All good thoughts to you and your fur babies. elizabeth
