Thank you, Hideyo
Consciousness is Causal
and Physicality is its
Manifestation.
On Jun 29, 2007, at 8:00 AM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote:
Indeed - I know it's hard -- but we need to do our best to give all
the love and joy we can give as they certainly deserve it-- when I
was losing eight
I also treat with Advantage only when needed. When I brought my new kitten
into my home last year she had fleas. I started my adult cats on Advantage,
and after she was old enough, I treated everyone with Advantage for two months.
This took care of the fleas. My cats are 100% indoors
Dear Caroline~~
What a great story about little Monkee and his excitement about
getting raw chicken livers! All over the kitchen is right! Too
funny! Yuck bigtime! And I know exactly what you mean by getting
weak in the knees--although instead of cutting up chicken livers,
which are
Hi Cassandra,
I am not trying to pressure you to keep the babies. I understand the grief you
are feeling over your other furbabies, as well as the practical aspects of
taking them in.
But...how old are the babies? Perhaps mama kitty would not abandon them while
in your care. But if she
Cassandra,
I didn't see your other email saying you had decided not to take them in
(before I emailed the one below.) I understand your feelings and there will be
those who need you out there when you are ready. Take your time.
Take care,
Gina
Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Cassandra,
Cassandra,
I'm just now reading all the email from the list. I got a bit behind. I
didn't realize that you had just lost Tomi. I am so sorry! :( Following on
the loss of Kisa and Koda must be devistating.
Losing your best friend in Tomi is so heartbreaking. You saved him from a life
on
Your pictures are so beautiful. They made me cry.
I feel about my Tigger the way you feel about Tomi. I've had him for 14+ years
and it's still not enough. You only had your Tomi for a short time and it is
natural to want more time. We are here for you whenever you need us.
Peace,
Gina
I'm keeping you both in my prayers.
Gina
dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Wendy. His fever keeps going
up and down,
but not down enough. The IR should be here tomorrow,
and so should the blood test results. He is still not
eating, but I am feeding him the liver shake. Between
Rest well sweet Victor. I am so sorry Kelley.
Peace,
Gina
Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sweet Victor a cat with the most
beautiful green eyes lost his battle to felv today.He was living with
Camden,the same guy that recently lost Laurel.THis is his 3rd one he lost to
this aweful
Thank you for the information Belinda. I am going to read all of it.
Gina
MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the most important info, i believe, in
the last few years, is the research showing a genetic predisposition for the
mutation from the usually benign corona virus to the horrible
Sorry, I meant Sherry! I think I read too many emails in a row.
Love and peace to you Sherry,
Gina
Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rest well sweet Victor. I am so sorry
Kelley.
Peace,
Gina
Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sweet Victor a cat with the most
beautiful green eyes lost
---I think we are really in trouble here. His whole
breathing patern has changed. I've never seen it
before, but I think he has fluid in his belly.
I am scared to death. It is Sat, and we are in such a
rural area. If I have to sit here tomorrow and watch
him die, it would kill me.
I am just
Dede,
I will keep you Ki in my thoughts today.
Susan J. DuBose ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
When I moved to this new house, a few months back, I was determined to make it
as wonderful for my cats as I could.
They deserve it.
Below is an email from a client of mine that has a bird sanctuary in his
backyard, as well as a Koi pond that I tend to when he his wife are out of
town.
Living for the day is very important.
After I took in 4 felv+ cats I realized this even more.
Now whenever anyone of my cats comes up to me and meows, or paws @ me, I drop
whatever it is that I am doing and they either get a kiss, a petting or I pick
them up hug them.
And I tell them how
I'm so sorry, Cassandra, I know how awful it feels to lose a baby
from anemia and/ or lymphoma. And to be haunted by the way they
die. But I do find that sometimes what haunted me can change in my
perspective and no longer haunt me. Tomi was so fortunate to have
found you. May you find
I'l keep you in my thoughts also, Dede. I notice you say you're in a
rural area - is there any possibility of getting him to a vet? He
may have fluid in his chest that could be drawn off with a needle.
It makes them more comfortable. just a possibility, but something I
always check
There is a wonderful tape of birds, squirrels, etc that Ebony and Mitu loved.
They had a stool in front of the TV in the bedroom and frequently I got
requests in the middle of the night for a private viewing. Ebony would sit on
the stool just waiting, knowing I would put it on for him and his
Gloria, as we speak, I am on hold with the vet. I
will have to do something today...
Am on my way, keep us in your prayes.
Dede and Ki
--- Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'l keep you in my thoughts also, Dede. I notice
you say you're in a
rural area - is there any possibility
Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a knowledgable and
supportive group).
Q: Is the immunoregulin something I would use instead of interferon?
For those who responded about Revolution ~ we won't use this again. One of
my cats with allergies responded very negatively to Advantage.
Hi Laurie
The home page for this group has a list and explanation of the drugs
that are being used for FeLV
http://www.felineleukemia.org/
Hope Isabella improves.
Jane
Jun 30, 2007, at 10:50 AM, laurieskatz wrote:
Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a knowledgable and
Cat TV! We have a lot of that here :0) I've done my best to attract birds
to my yard. I also keep a copy of 'Sibley's' near the window so I can look
up the birds I don't recognize. My favorites are the Indigo Buntings and
the Goldfinches. I mush have 10 different feeders out there (not
Dede..you and Ki are in my heart. Prayers and love to you.
elizabeth
On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
---I think we are really in trouble here. His whole
breathing patern has changed. I've never seen it
before, but I think he has fluid in his belly.
I am scared to death.
Thank you, it is not out of the question that I may take those kittens yet, but
I have alot to think about first. For one, at least those kittens have a home.
It may not be the best home in the world, but at least they have a mom, food,
and shelter, and it sounds like the mom has hidden them
Praying for you and Ki.
Cassandra
- Original Message -
From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:54 AM
Subject: Ki
---I think we are really in trouble here. His whole
breathing patern has changed. I've never seen it
I'm wondering, and I can't seem to find this informationif cats are exposed
to the FeLV virus and fight it off (don't become infected), do they develop an
immunity to it, as if they had a vaccination?
I know my 9 and 12 year old cats must have been exposed to the virus many
times. They
Hi Caroline,
Well, considering that it is rare, but possible, for
Monkee to start making RBC's again, I would start the
Epogen today if it were my kitty. He doesn't have
time for you to wait, as transfusions buy precious but
little time, and I don't think Monkee has a shot
without something like
That is a VERY good question, and one I do not have
the answer to. I'm not sure the experts know this
either. We don't even know if there is more than one
strain of FeLV.
:)
Wendy
--- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm wondering, and I can't seem to find this
informationif cats are
It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know
Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that
his belly looked really full. The way he was
breathing was weird also. You could see his head and
chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and
*DeDe... we are all so sorry for your loss. *
*Leslie =^..^=*
On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know
Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that
his belly looked really full. The way
You can have titers run for FeLV. That will answer a lot of questions for you.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion
and pity, you will have
You can have titers run for FeLV. That will answer a lot of questions for you.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion
and pity, you will have
Dede,
Bless you for giving him a home at a time of need before Smokey left to go
to the Rainbow Bridge. I always make a point of reading your postings
regarding Angel Ki.
I had hopes that maybe he would shake it off again.
His fragile body couldn't continue anymore but his spirit will always
I have seen those DVD's, I plan to get a few once I am finished being settled
in.
My felv+ room, which is also the office, library, has a tv w/ couch and a
bathroom.
That way the felv+ cats can have their own water source.
It's an old house (1953) w/ 3 HUGE bedrooms, which helps.
The non
Cool, thanks Elizabeth!
I would really, really LOVE to have a Koi pond.
I just took on a new client that has a state of the art Koi pond, pretty high
maintenance but very neat.
And he is a cat lover, adopts from our local pound and has outside
ferals... :)
Susan J. DuBose ^..^
while there are different strains of FeLV, everything i've seen implies that
once a cat has been exposed and fought off the virus, of whatever strain,
they do not develop an active infection from further exposure.
before it was known that retesting was vital, cats who tested positive and
were
you gave him exactly what he needed to be able to go on to the next stage of
his journey. if you believe there's a plan, you have to know that all
happens as it is meant to--even when our hearts feel broken by the
fulfillment.
love one another. for ki, you made that real. that's all that really
I have heard many different answers to this.
I have heard retest in 3 months after the exposure, retest in 4 months, and
retest in 3 months but again @ 6 months.
I have 12 foster cats that were exposed to a cat that is felv+, and it has been
2 months.
I plan to retest in 4 months.
I will be
Dede,
Please do not blame yourself for Ki's death, life happens and stress is a
big part of that.
It is not avoidable.
I understand how you feel though.
My Serenity came to me last July from a Frankenbreeder situation, and she
was afraid of her own shadow.
She had never seen a toy before,
My vet has vaccinated his cats against felv every year, and one of his has
turned pos.
I have heard that it's 70 / 30 crapshoot, but I could be wrong.
Susan J. DuBose ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay
Ah, I wanna woodpecker in my yard...
Or two, or three...
Susan J. DuBose ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
yes WE do know that there is more than one strain.
and if WE didn't know before yesterday, when sally posted the most
up-to-date version of the merck veterinary manual's section on FeLV, WE
should know it now.
and if WE really wanted to know, simply do a google search for, strains of
FeLV.
Dede -- I am so sorry. My heart hurts with you. He was so lucky that you
were his mom. You will see him again.
love and tears,
elizabeth
On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know
Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
It was sooo
I forgot to mention, I have a cat that raised in a birdcage, like a bird.
He came from another hoarding situation (pseudo rescue person), but he was
only from 60 to 70+ cats.
I got Runes when he was about 12 weeks old, very malnourished and he had what
my vet called the worst case of
Bless you for all the love you gave Ki. When you are considering all the
what ifs as we all do, consider what if you had never come into his life
and how wonderful you made his life.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
Hi Susan D,
Would like to know if you know Tonja Pfister?
If you do would you tell her I said HELLO From WA.
She knows who I am...done transports for the TX Siamese Rescue in the past.
My home has been classified The Mohr Inn for those awaiting their flights
into Canada. The kitties are
Thank you Marilyn and Leslie.
Dede
--- Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bless you for all the love you gave Ki. When you
are considering all the
what ifs as we all do, consider what if you had
never come into his life
and how wonderful you made his life.
Tell them not to eat your house.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion
and pity, you will have men who
pleh?
On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:12 PM, MaryChristine wrote:
yes WE do know that there is more than one strain.
and if WE didn't know before yesterday, when sally posted the most
up-to-date version of the merck veterinary manual's section on
FeLV, WE should know it now.
and if WE really
Try putting Feliway spray on your hands when you are sneaking a petting.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion
and pity, you will have men who
Hi Dede
I am so sorry. I am always hopeful that our FELV babies will somehow beat
the virus. He had a good life with you and he thanks you for all you did.
Sally
On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you Marilyn and Leslie.
Dede
--- Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have one of those videos; my cats LOVE it! Mine is
titled Video Catnip. I'd like to get a better one
because this one is in 2 sections, and the first
section is music instead of the actual noised the
birds make. I need a DVD format also since mine is
VHS.
:)
Wendy
--- Susan Dubose [EMAIL
Hi Dede,
I am so sorry about Ki. You were wonderful to him;
don't regret one minute the things you did for him out
of love. He knows you loved him dearly.
:)
Wendy
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever
Hey guys,
There is something really weird going on with my
email. I am not getting all the posts and I think
it's been happening for a while now. I only saw
Dede's post about Ki passing when Sally replied to
her. I didn't even see Leslie's or Marylyn's to Dede,
but saw Dede reply to them in
LMAO...pleh
haven't heard that for a while
Sally
On 6/30/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
pleh?
On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:12 PM, MaryChristine wrote:
yes WE do know that there is more than one strain.
and if WE didn't know before yesterday, when sally posted the most
up-to-date
Dede, i'm so sorry that Ki has passed. It is these days that are the
hardest to get through. When Tomi left me, I alternated between not being
able to believe he was gone, and feeling like he's been gone forever. It
hurts so much, but try to think of him often, and allow yourself to cry as
I love the birds as well. We've lived at this house for 2 summers now, and we
have far more birds this summer than last.
Just 3 weeks ago, we put up a few feeders to encourage all these beautiful
birds to stay, and they love them. We put a 4x4 post in the ground right in
front of our living
Thanks Susan. I know you are right. One can only
take so much exposure to Corona when your immune
system is not so great. I just don't get why some get
it and some don't. I suppose if I could answer that,
I'd get the Pulitzer.
I will always wonder, though, if I had isolated him
with a smaller
Thanks for the info, I didn't think you had to wait that long.
I guess my options are to wait 6 months before taking in more kitties, or else
hope that since my two didn't get infected in 2.5 years, that it is unlikely
they got infected in the last few months.
What about FIP...if Tomi had it,
Thanks Cassandra. No problem with the crying. I let
Ki's brother Chi out into the main house today. He is
running around and being obnoxious. I keep grabbing
him to hug, and he gets annoyed!! They are almost
alike except Ki had more white on his front paws and a
white muzzle...both beautiful
weird...maybe they will come in late. that happens to me sometimes.
On 6/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey guys,
There is something really weird going on with my
email. I am not getting all the posts and I think
it's been happening for a while now. I only saw
Dede's post about Ki
I checked my babies alot when they were sick, and a few times my heart stopped
because they seemed too still.
It is cute that yours just fall asleep anywhere, they are just like kittens
then. Mine tend to only sleep in their beds.
Cassandra
- Original Message -
From: Susan Dubose
will answer on the OT list. stay tuned!
On 6/30/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
pleh?
On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:12 PM, MaryChristine wrote:
yes WE do know that there is more than one strain.
and if WE didn't know before yesterday, when sally posted the most
up-to-date version of
Mary Christine,
I don't know if you realize it, but lately, you are
not the kind, helpful person that I met here a year
and a half ago. You are coming off as a know-it-all
who gets exhasperated when someone doesn't remember
something you posted months ago, or doesn't read every
post that comes
Thanks Wendy. It means a lot to have you say that.
Dede
--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Dede,
I am so sorry about Ki. You were wonderful to him;
don't regret one minute the things you did for him
out
of love. He knows you loved him dearly.
:)
Wendy
Never doubt that a
Why I certainly do.!
Talked to her this morning, I arrange her transports from Ausitn as well as
coordinate any TLAC (our city pound) pulls for her the Asutin Branch...
I will tell her you said Howdy!
Susan J. DuBose ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
Will that take the chirping away?
Susan J. DuBose ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
It sounds like Kitty Heaven, Cassandra :0) It is such a joy to watch them!
Everytime I watch the birdies, I think of my grandmother. She did a lot of
china painting -- loved the birds and had all these Time/Life books of birds
and sharks and whales...etc. As grandkids we would SO look forward
Have you seen the kitty show ones ?
www.kittyshow.com
It's bugs crawling on top of a glass table, shot form underneath w/ birds
crickets in the background
Susan J. DuBose ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
I'm sorry, what I meant was, out of those 3 options (3months, 4 months 6
months), I am going w/ the 4 months as of right now.
So, I have 2 more months to quarantine.
If one of my 12 cats comes up pos., then I pull it out of the mix and begin
quarantine again w/ the remaining 5.
Five because
Only Princess Pearl AKAS as Purrr-laa,
AKAS Kannibal Kitty, falls asleep anywhere.
She is a very funny one, that one.
She probably never really had a kittenhood, due to her start in life.
Now maybe she does?
Yes, sometimes they are so still asleep, they look just like little
Angels...
No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the skittishness.
It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory goes). It really helped with
the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (rehomed from my Mom's). It certainly helped
establish a safe area with her.not the awful smell of
Well, it's all very confusing anyhow, especially if you have other
things going on (like I'm losing stuff right and left today). I
think the info we get here about people's personal experiences is so
valuable. I've just learned not to get too paranoid about FELV, to
take good care of
I know Tonya, too. I think from another list?! Small world (I'm in Iowa).
Laurie
- Original Message -
From: Susan Dubose
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Way off OT: Susan D (TX Siamese Rescue)
Why I certainly do.!
And thank you.
When I lost Serenity, I felt like the floor opened me up and swallowed me.
Like I said, I had only had her 5 months, and my vet and his wife (who have
several felv+ cats, and Dr. Smith is constantly doing research, even @ 73
yrs.) warned me that when she becomes symptomatic, she
I would call that a sign, but if you want to know for sure, have the necropsy
performed.
I never do through, I would rather spend the money on a cat that is still
alive, since many come my way broken :(
Susan J. DuBose ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
Hi. I have a friend who always has a small group of feleuk positive cats. One
big orange guy lived in this group for five years. The others living with him
during this time had all died and she couldn't figure out why he had no
symptoms and was still alive so she tested him and he was negative.
Dede I am so sorry. I was hoping that when I turned this
computer on that there would be some good news about Ki.
He was lucky to have found you. I hope you can find comfort
in the good times you shared and knowing that he finally
felt loved and cared for.
You fought for him until the very end,
Well, he has actually gotten much better, it kinda comes goes..
Isn't it funny how the house ferals will run from you when you walk towards
them, but you can sneak into your bedroom and they are asleep on your pillow,
or rolling around on your dirty clothes that you tossed on the floor?
Yes, I feel like I have a science project going on, w/ these 12 cats, which
originally were 14.
LOVE the name of your kitty.
Kitties shouls always have fancy names, formal names of course the your in
trouble name.. ;)
Susan J. DuBose ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
She is on the Ausitn Siamese Rescue list, as well as others I think...
Susan J. DuBose ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did
I have a client that took in 2 felv+ cats, @ different times.
They always stayed healthy, (we are talking about 2 yrs or so) per se, but one
day the tuxie was dead in their room.
She took good care of them, high quality food, outdoor enclosure access, yada,
yada
Simon, the Siamese became
I wish I could say I deliberately did this. I swore I
never would. When these 4 kitens came into foster
care, they neded a home for 2 of them...I got to
choose. I picked the 2 tabbies.After I had them 2
weeks, I noticed Ki had 2 huge nodes in his neck. We
treated that, and tested
It's helped with Shakiti (aka 'magic marker')...he was very, very feral but
loves his mama :0) I can hold him like a little baby and he will just drool
on my shoulder but it took months to be able to even pet him. With this
being a multi-cat household (7) we have some sibling rivalry issues.
wow, gloria, it's been that long? she's such a beauty--i have a photo of
her in my files!
of course, i guess it is it was 2003 when we did the trip from houston
back to MI argggh.
MC
On 6/30/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, it's all very confusing anyhow,
Y'know, this might be the sort of conversation you want to take off-list, email
privately and sort it out. I have not perceived any difference in MC's
demeanor.
wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mary Christine,
I don't know if you realize it, but lately, you are
not the kind, helpful person
Well, I have always wanted to have@ least one felv+ cat, now I have 4 w/ the
possibility of 12 more soon.
I never would commit to taking one, because I am the type of purrson who
always wants to make sure I am ready.
My first one was Lola, I had commited to taking her from the pound, then she
H, then I shall try it.
Maybe my little bedwetter, Pugsley, will stop peeing on the cat beds
Also all of the cats from this particuliar seizure have litterbox issues.
Not Lola or Ursula, but Serenity did and a litter of kittens that tested felv+.
They have already crossed
Yup, Sigh, time files...
On Jun 30, 2007, at 7:43 PM, MaryChristine wrote:
wow, gloria, it's been that long? she's such a beauty--i have a
photo of her in my files!
of course, i guess it is it was 2003 when we did the trip from
houston back to MI argggh.
MC
On 6/30/07,
I adopted 2 boys, age 8 and 9, who had lived together since the younger one had
been adopted as a kitten. Stripes kept getting sick on and off so we had them
tested (my vet had been vaccinating them each year and Squeaky would be sick
for 3 days after his vaccination). They both tested
Hi ~ I am resending this in hopes for some feed back. (I will read the info
about meds as suggested). I know of a human on interferon who is very
lethargic. Do people see this with cats on interferon? I ask because
Isabella is most active after we give fluids but generally pretty laid
At 07:25 PM 6/30/2007, you wrote:
When cats go on interferon the dosage is minuscule compared to what
is given to people. Unless you are using the Feline Omega interferon.
I use Alferon , the natural interferon and if you are interested I
can email you the file, the alpha interferon is also
Wow, that's impressive!
Long, happy lives, it sounds like.
You must have / are doing something right.
Susan J. DuBose ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
It has to be their idea. I have had some wonderful ferals but they are not
house cats as we normally think about them. They are very self sufficient and,
when they decide to give you any sign of affection, much less kitten kisses or
purrs, you know it is genuine.
I have used Feliway and am
I haven'r seen it in cats, but the cats I have given interferon to were in
the iso ward @ the AHS.
We would give it to our cats w/ URI, so, they were feeling pretty bad as it
was.
They have more energy after being given fluids due to the electrolites
administered, I believe.
Could be wrong,
Re litter box issues:
Make sure you are using unscented litter without the blue pellets. My cats,
Dixie and those who have left, will not tolerate the perfumed kind. This is
logical if you are a very few inches from the litter, kicking it etc. The blue
things contain germicides that, as
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