Re: Transferring the Virus

[Pat Kachur]

My vet says that the vaccine is at least 90% effective and I should not worry 
about my one positive kitty living together with the six negatives--all of whom 
are vaccinated and at least 4 years old.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Behnke 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 7:00 PM
  Subject: RE: Transferring the Virus


  My positives and negatives having been living together in the same home 
without separation for 4 years.  So far, no one new has tested positive.  My 
ones that are positive got the virus through heredity, not exposure.

   

  Chris

   

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosenfeldt, 
Diane
  Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 12:34 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: RE: Transferring the Virus

   

  Dawn, I'm far from the big expert, but I think the chances are almost 
nonexistent that you're transferring anything by just walking from room to 
room.  The motto for the virus is "if it dries, it dies."  It reminds me of a 
memorable passage in the book "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About 
Sex..." in which someone asked if you can catch STDs from toilet seats.  The 
answer was, yes, under the following circumstances:  someone with an open 
genital sore (I know, TMI) uses a toilet and presses the sore against the 
toilet seat.  Seconds later, you, also with a sore, use the same toilet and 
press your sore against the same spot.  Otherwise, no. ;-)  So unless you go 
from, say, cleaning your FeLV+ kitty's teeth, to your healthy kitties within 
seconds, with your fingers still wet with saliva, it's not gonna happen.  Also, 
somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but won't the others now automatically test 
positive because they have the vaccine in them?  In any case, I'm not sure 
there's a real need to segregate Bea from everybody now.  

   

  Diane R.

   

   


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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Morrison
  Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:12 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Transferring the Virus

  Hello again everyone,

   

  Before I had Bea tested, she was with my two other catkids (ages 4 & 10 
years) for 4 days - sharing food (wet & dry), water and liter box. 

  It was only after that 4 days did we realize Bea tested positive (Elisa & IFA)

  We immediately took our other two in and had them tested (negative but too 
early to tell) and vaccinated.

  In anyone's opinion, how great of a chance do you think they will test 
positive in 6 months when I re-test them? Do you think there was enough 
exposure in those 4 days? I am particularly worried about my 4 year old because 
I fed them all wet food and she immediately eats anything that is leftover from 
all 3 bowls.

   

  Also, Bea is now quarantined in a bedroom by herself and I visit with her as 
much as possible when I am home - even sleeping with her at night time to give 
her some human contact (much to my husbands dismay). I wash my hands thoroughly 
when I leave the room and bea has her own bowls/water dishes that I keep 
seperate from my others. She has her own litter box as well. Is it possible to 
spread any of the virus from just walking around the room, transferring it on 
my clothes then walking through the rest of my house? I'm just so concerened 
I'm passing it around more.

   

  Thanks

  Dawn

   


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RE: Transferring the Virus

[Chris Behnke]

My positives and negatives having been living together in the same home
without separation for 4 years.  So far, no one new has tested positive.  My
ones that are positive got the virus through heredity, not exposure.

 

Chris

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosenfeldt, Diane
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 12:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Transferring the Virus

 

Dawn, I'm far from the big expert, but I think the chances are almost
nonexistent that you're transferring anything by just walking from room to
room.  The motto for the virus is "if it dries, it dies."  It reminds me of
a memorable passage in the book "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About
Sex..." in which someone asked if you can catch STDs from toilet seats.  The
answer was, yes, under the following circumstances:  someone with an open
genital sore (I know, TMI) uses a toilet and presses the sore against the
toilet seat.  Seconds later, you, also with a sore, use the same toilet and
press your sore against the same spot.  Otherwise, no. ;-)  So unless you go
from, say, cleaning your FeLV+ kitty's teeth, to your healthy kitties within
seconds, with your fingers still wet with saliva, it's not gonna happen.
Also, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but won't the others now
automatically test positive because they have the vaccine in them?  In any
case, I'm not sure there's a real need to segregate Bea from everybody now.


 

Diane R.

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Morrison
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Transferring the Virus

Hello again everyone,

 

Before I had Bea tested, she was with my two other catkids (ages 4 & 10
years) for 4 days - sharing food (wet & dry), water and liter box. 

It was only after that 4 days did we realize Bea tested positive (Elisa &
IFA)

We immediately took our other two in and had them tested (negative but too
early to tell) and vaccinated.

In anyone's opinion, how great of a chance do you think they will test
positive in 6 months when I re-test them? Do you think there was enough
exposure in those 4 days? I am particularly worried about my 4 year old
because I fed them all wet food and she immediately eats anything that is
leftover from all 3 bowls.

 

Also, Bea is now quarantined in a bedroom by herself and I visit with her as
much as possible when I am home - even sleeping with her at night time to
give her some human contact (much to my husbands dismay). I wash my hands
thoroughly when I leave the room and bea has her own bowls/water dishes that
I keep seperate from my others. She has her own litter box as well. Is it
possible to spread any of the virus from just walking around the room,
transferring it on my clothes then walking through the rest of my house? I'm
just so concerened I'm passing it around more.

 

Thanks

Dawn

 

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OT:check out these food bowls

[Susan Dubose]

www.wetnoz.com

They are pretty expensive, but totally "Jetson-esque".(Anyone remember that 
cartoon?)

A friend of mine got several andhad extras,so I scored 3 of the 6cupsize 
"Metro"style in royal purple.

My little porkers have to have big bowls.

And they always whine that it's half empty,not half full.



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www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
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   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
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Re: Toby's death

[Kat]

My 2 cents here - 

People are not born evil (no matter what the movies would have us
believe).  Children learn by example.  Sometimes by being the one getting
tortured, sometimes from only watching.  What horrors have befallen these
3 boys that they could do something so horrible in kind?

Putting these 3 away will only stop these 3 - but if the inhuman
"examples" (I cannot bring myself to call them role models or parents) are
still out there "on the loose", how many more children will suffer and be
damaged for life?  We need to hunt down the source, if it is still out
there, and make them pay for their contribution to this tragedy too.

Is there hope for these boys?  Are they redeemable?  I don't know.  (I
don't have enough training to even hazard a guess).  If there is hope,
then they deserve to be helped.  If there is no possibility of rehab, then
they & their "teachers" must be taken out of society in order to break the
circle.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, Susan Dubose wrote:

> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:54:32 -0500
> From: Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: Toby's death
> 
> I know, I really thought long & hard before I sent it.
> 
> But the more of an "outpouring" from people from all over that we get, the 
> better in the long run.
> 
> We have to do it for the animals, we are their only voice.
> 
> It just sickens me too.
> 

Re: Toby's death

[Susan Dubose]

I know, I really thought long & hard before I sent it.

But the more of an "outpouring" from people from all over that we get, the 
better in the long run.

We have to do it for the animals, we are their only voice.

It just sickens me too.

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www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
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   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
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  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:29 AM
  Subject: Re: Toby's death




I feel physically sick having just read of poor Toby's plight - I hadn't seen 
that and not sure if I am pleased I read it or not (only good thing 
is I will be signing the petition). The poor baby, how anyone can can hit
an animal to hurt it is beyond me but what they did is just pure evil. I 
work in psychology and have some experience of forensic psychiatry and it
scares me that people so young can be so evil - without doubt it is not 
therapy they need as they are nothing but development psychopaths / sociopaths.
Psychopathic behaviour often starts as torture to animals unfortunately 
and progresses to humans. They have no remorse at all and can't have a 
conscience 
as they wouldn't have done something that severe. I wish we could do exactly 
the 
same to them and would happily volunteer to join the queue of people willing to 
get justice for poor Toby. I really do feel sick at the thought of what 
happened 
to that poor little dog. I can't find the words to say how I feel about it cos 
it's one of those heart sink moments. I see death penalty or life long secure
psychiatry unit as the only way to go with these guys cos I'm sure they won't 
stop at animals and it's a shame that animals life's don't get taken as 
seriously
as humans half the time in terms of dishing out punishment. Part of me thinks 
death 
penalty is too much of a quick way out for people like that then the other part 
of me 
thinks why should genuine people pay the state for evil people like that to be 
kept 
fed and dry in a locked up environment although they'd pay the price of losing 
freedom.
Difficult one to call and I don't care how young at the age they are they know 
right from wrong and that behaviour is a dangerous predictor of adult 
psychopathy.
I don't think human rights should apply to people who are too evil to be part 
of the 
planet and violating innocent creatures.
Sorry I know my mail is strong but this is so horrible as I am sure you all 
feel 

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RE: Transferring the Virus

[Melissa Lind]

Hi Dawn,

 

As far as I know, you cannot transfer it from walking around. It's not that
easy to transfer. I had a FeLV foster cat who stayed in our office room. I
never even washed my hands between petting him and the other cats unless he
drooled on me or something. The virus doesn't live that long. My vet told me
that once it dries (like in saliva), it's dead, so the chances of you
passing anything onto your cats through casual contact is just very small. I
wouldn't even worry about it. My vet's office seemed very unconcerned about
the ability to transfer without bodily fluids transferring. After Cassidy
left (the FeLV kitty), I let the room sit for a day before letting the other
cats back in, but really that was probably unnecessary as well. 

 

I think that's wonderful that you are spending time with Bea in her room.
Poor thing is probably very lonely. I know Cassidy was the same way.
Luckily, I was working at home then (in the home office room where he was),
so he got a lot of attention. However, at night he cried and cried. We had
to put him on kitty Prozac which calmed him down quite a bit without making
him sluggish or drugged. It just decreased his anxiety over being alone at
night when he knew that we were in the room next door.

 

So, overall, I wouldn't stress out about passing it to your other cats. Some
people on this list have mixed their FeLV positives and negatives for many
years without any transfer from shared food and litter boxes. Some on this
list will tell you that they wouldn't have it any other way and that it
really is more difficult to transfer than people think. I, myself, wouldn't
mix unless my cats were quite old (less of a chance of contracting it I've
learned). But, with young kitties in our house, I know if we ever get any
more FeLV fosters, that they will be isolated.

 

I hope this helps. I think the important thing is to relax since Bea and the
others will pick up on your anxiety, and that's not going to be good for Bea
who probably doesn't understand why she has to be alone. I think once you
are more comfortable, then everyone will be too! :-)

 

Best to you and Bea and the other furkids! I hope you find some solutions.
Are you the one in Chicago? I forgot to look at home last night for the
place in Minnesota! I'll try to remember tonight.

 

Melissa

 

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Morrison
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Transferring the Virus

 

Hello again everyone,

 

Before I had Bea tested, she was with my two other catkids (ages 4 & 10
years) for 4 days - sharing food (wet & dry), water and liter box. 

It was only after that 4 days did we realize Bea tested positive (Elisa &
IFA)

We immediately took our other two in and had them tested (negative but too
early to tell) and vaccinated.

In anyone's opinion, how great of a chance do you think they will test
positive in 6 months when I re-test them? Do you think there was enough
exposure in those 4 days? I am particularly worried about my 4 year old
because I fed them all wet food and she immediately eats anything that is
leftover from all 3 bowls.

 

Also, Bea is now quarantined in a bedroom by herself and I visit with her as
much as possible when I am home - even sleeping with her at night time to
give her some human contact (much to my husbands dismay). I wash my hands
thoroughly when I leave the room and bea has her own bowls/water dishes that
I keep seperate from my others. She has her own litter box as well. Is it
possible to spread any of the virus from just walking around the room,
transferring it on my clothes then walking through the rest of my house? I'm
just so concerened I'm passing it around more.

 

Thanks

Dawn

 

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RE: Transferring the Virus

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Dawn, I'm far from the big expert, but I think the chances are almost
nonexistent that you're transferring anything by just walking from room
to room.  The motto for the virus is "if it dries, it dies."  It reminds
me of a memorable passage in the book "Everything You Always Wanted to
Know About Sex..." in which someone asked if you can catch STDs from
toilet seats.  The answer was, yes, under the following circumstances:
someone with an open genital sore (I know, TMI) uses a toilet and
presses the sore against the toilet seat.  Seconds later, you, also with
a sore, use the same toilet and press your sore against the same spot.
Otherwise, no. ;-)  So unless you go from, say, cleaning your FeLV+
kitty's teeth, to your healthy kitties within seconds, with your fingers
still wet with saliva, it's not gonna happen.  Also, somebody correct me
if I'm wrong, but won't the others now automatically test positive
because they have the vaccine in them?  In any case, I'm not sure
there's a real need to segregate Bea from everybody now.  
 
Diane R.
 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Morrison
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Transferring the Virus


Hello again everyone,
 
Before I had Bea tested, she was with my two other catkids (ages 4 & 10
years) for 4 days - sharing food (wet & dry), water and liter box. 
It was only after that 4 days did we realize Bea tested positive (Elisa
& IFA)
We immediately took our other two in and had them tested (negative but
too early to tell) and vaccinated.
In anyone's opinion, how great of a chance do you think they will test
positive in 6 months when I re-test them? Do you think there was enough
exposure in those 4 days? I am particularly worried about my 4 year old
because I fed them all wet food and she immediately eats anything that
is leftover from all 3 bowls.
 
Also, Bea is now quarantined in a bedroom by herself and I visit with
her as much as possible when I am home - even sleeping with her at night
time to give her some human contact (much to my husbands dismay). I wash
my hands thoroughly when I leave the room and bea has her own
bowls/water dishes that I keep seperate from my others. She has her own
litter box as well. Is it possible to spread any of the virus from just
walking around the room, transferring it on my clothes then walking
through the rest of my house? I'm just so concerened I'm passing it
around more.
 
Thanks
Dawn



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Re: Toby's death

[lomaxturtle]

I feel physically sick having just read of poor Toby's plight - I hadn't seen 
that and not sure if I am pleased I read it or not (only good thing 
is I will be signing the petition). The poor baby, how anyone can can hit
an animal to hurt it is beyond me but what they did is just pure evil. I 
work in psychology and have some experience of forensic psychiatry and it
scares me that people so young can be so evil - without doubt it is not 
therapy they need as they are nothing but development psychopaths / sociopaths.
Psychopathic behaviour often starts as torture to animals unfortunately 
and progresses to humans. They have no remorse at all and can't have a 
conscience 
as they wouldn't have done something that severe. I wish we could do exactly 
the 
same to them and would happily volunteer to join the queue of people willing to 
get justice for poor Toby. I really do feel sick at the thought of what 
happened 
to that poor little dog. I can't find the words to say how I feel about it cos 
it's one of those heart sink moments. I see death penalty or life long secure
psychiatry unit as the only way to go with these guys cos I'm sure they won't 
stop at animals and it's a shame that animals life's don't get taken as 
seriously
as humans half the time in terms of dishing out punishment. Part of me thinks 
death 
penalty is too much of a quick way out for people like that then the other part 
of me 
thinks why should genuine people pay the state for evil people like that to be 
kept 
fed and dry in a locked up environment although they'd pay the price of losing 
freedom.
Difficult one to call and I don't care how young at the age they are they know 
right from wrong and that behaviour is a dangerous predictor of adult 
psychopathy.
I don't think human rights should apply to people who are too evil to be part 
of the 
planet and violating innocent creatures.
Sorry I know my mail is strong but this is so horrible as I am sure you all 
feel 

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Transferring the Virus

[Dawn Morrison]

Hello again everyone,
 
Before I had Bea tested, she was with my two other catkids (ages 4 & 10 years) 
for 4 days - sharing food (wet & dry), water and liter box. 
It was only after that 4 days did we realize Bea tested positive (Elisa & IFA)
We immediately took our other two in and had them tested (negative but too 
early to tell) and vaccinated.
In anyone's opinion, how great of a chance do you think they will test positive 
in 6 months when I re-test them? Do you think there was enough exposure in 
those 4 days? I am particularly worried about my 4 year old because I fed them 
all wet food and she immediately eats anything that is leftover from all 3 
bowls.
 
Also, Bea is now quarantined in a bedroom by herself and I visit with her as 
much as possible when I am home - even sleeping with her at night time to give 
her some human contact (much to my husbands dismay). I wash my hands thoroughly 
when I leave the room and bea has her own bowls/water dishes that I keep 
seperate from my others. She has her own litter box as well. Is it possible to 
spread any of the virus from just walking around the room, transferring it on 
my clothes then walking through the rest of my house? I'm just so concerened 
I'm passing it around more.
 
Thanks
Dawn


  

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Re: Kitten potentially exposed to FeLV

[Gloria B. Lane]

Just wanted to say I totally agree about FELV not being as contagious  
as one might think.   In your situation, I'd think it's so very  
unlikely that that kitten picked up FELV from breathing the air for a  
short time with a couple of FELV cats.


In our rescue program, we routinely do Elisa tests on our cats.
I've heard that the Elisa is very accurate in detecting if the cat is  
positive, and any error would most likely be for a cat shown to be  
positive but is actually negative. Also, what I've heard is that the  
primary cause of error with the Elisa test is in the handling by the  
person who does the test.  We've never had problems, and we do  
routine phone checks on all our cats once they go to homes.


However, in checking at "Dr Mike's" web site at http:// 
www.vetinfo4cats.com/, he says  - "A positive ELISA (the usual "in  
house" test run at vet clinics) is approximately 50% accurate when a  
cat tests positive and appears to be healthy. It is much more  
accurate in cats who appear ill. It would be best to have the FeLV  
test repeated using a more specific test procedure, either an IFA  
test or a Western Blot test. These usually have to be done by  
commercial labs."   Yo - I've never heard that before, something to  
really think about.


Not that we have to believe it all (I get used to questioning  
everything re FELV) - but it's of real interest!   He also says, re  
contagion, "It is hard to get a really firm estimate of how much risk  
of feline leukemia infection is present for an adult cat living in a  
household with an FeLV positive cat. This has been studied in a small  
number of studies and it looks like the risk is about 11% for  
infection over the course of the life of the cat but the studies were  
done in multiple cat households (greater than 5 cats in most cases)  
so the risk may be less or more when only two cats are present."


Some on this list, btw, do routinely mix our FELV and non-FELV cats  
with no problem, but some of course would never do that.


Best of luck,

Gloria


On Sep 17, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Maryanne Velard wrote:


Hi Diane -
Thank you for the advice. I will be having the kitten tested this  
Wednesday with the ELISA in the doctor's office test, it has not  
yet been tested. Should I ask then for the IFA test if comes back  
negative? I'm not sure the sequence of what to ask for when. I was  
just wondering if the exposure this little guy had to the indoor  
FeLV+ cats in the man's home could show up later in life and  
negative now.


Thanks again -
MaryAnne

"Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi, Maryanne --

You'll get some great advice from this bunch, but just a couple  
things:


1.FeLV isn't as drastically contagious as is often thought.   
The virus doesn't live long in air, and is mostly transmitted  
through exchange of bodily fluids, so if the kitten hasn't been  
eating or fighting with the indoor cats, chances are the kitten is  
OK, at least as far as contracting it from them; there is still a  
chance, of course, that it had an FeLV+ mother.


2.I am assuming that you had the IFA test done on the kitten on  
Wednesday, since you don't yet know the results; the ELISA tests  
are done in-office so you know right away, but they are much less  
accurate.  Please know that even if positive you should have the  
kitten retested in 90 days, since sometimes (this is mostly in  
cases where it was exposed via its mother) kits will test positive  
but "throw" the virus later as their immune systems develop.  I  
believe there have been cases of false negatives (but especially in  
the case of the ELISA tests, far more false positives).


I'm sorry for the loss of your old kitty.  It's very hard watching  
them be ill and not being able to help.


Diane R.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maryanne Velard

Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Kitten potentially exposed to FeLV

Hi, I'm new to this site, and have a question. This past weekend, I  
answered an ad in the paper for a kitten found in backyard of  
someone's house. I went to the house, and the man there told me the  
kitten showed up at his doorstep about 1 month ago. They he had  
been feeding him, and I saw the food/water bowls outside. He told  
me he had 2 indoor cats. I saw one of them while I was there. He  
brought the kitten I adopted inside (it was very friendly,  
obviously not ferrel) for me to see. I ended up taking the kitten  
home. He looks like he's about 10-12 weeks old.


The next day he called me and told me his 2 indoor cats were FeLV+  
and that he lost another cat this past July to FeLV. I asked him if  
the kitten I took was exposed to his cats, and he said they  
remained outdoors and separted all the time. However, he did allow  
the kitten inside when I was there visiting, so I'm not certain I  
believe him 100%.


I will be having the kitten tested 

RE: Leukemia room

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

It's working now.  Very cool!
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 7:47 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Leukemia room


Maybe they closed it down for the night?
 
To give the kitties some rest, after the long flight.
 
It's a pretty bright light in the room when it's on.
 
I would try again later.
 
 
Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent
 
 
 
 

- Original Message - 
From: Pat Kachur   
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:21 AM
Subject: Re: Leukemia room

I get nothing but a black screen with a tiny green circle in the
middle...

- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose   
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; asr
  
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:22 PM
Subject: : Leukemia room

 
The FLOCK cats arrived today!
 
You can click on the link below to peep into their room.
 
Cover Girl is the kitty in the condo .
 
She will be in the cage fora couple of weeks so she can
get acclimated and have her health monitored.
 
She was the "poster child"of the rescue.. :)
 
 
 


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Re: Leukemia room

[Susan Dubose]

Yes,Pat, I checkedonline & that is the room (you can see Cover Girls' cage in 
fromof the greeen nightlight).

They have turned it off for the night but check back later..

When the cats arrived last night, they were so hungry!

Just gobbled there food!

But then, they probably will be insecure about food for awhile, Cover Girl and 
the long haired tux kitty are still very skinny.

Poor little Cover Girl was snuggled up in her bed fluffy bed, she looked like a 
little Doe in the headlights w/all the activity in the room.

Once they get acclimated, they will have access to the SCR office, 2 bathrooms, 
the master bedroom & the sunroom, which has a huge sectional couch w/big screen 
tv.

And, they have a 3 story outdoor enclosure,toplevel is a sunning deck.

There are little wooden houses on the bottom level in the shade of trees for 
kitty hiding & pleasure.  :)

Someday, I would love to see every kitty be so lucky.




Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Pat Kachur 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:21 AM
  Subject: Re: Leukemia room


  I get nothing but a black screen with a tiny green circle in the middle...
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; asr 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:22 PM
Subject: : Leukemia room



The FLOCK cats arrived today!

You can click on the link below to peep into their room.

Cover Girl is the kitty in the condo .

She will be in the cage fora couple of weeks so she can get acclimated and 
have her health monitored.

She was the "poster child"of the rescue.. :)





http://shadowcats.net/cam.html 

OT: Toby's death

[Susan Dubose]

Good Lord!
What monsters!

There is a petition to sign in the middle of the story if interested.


Dog's death felt around world

Web Posted: 09/06/2007 01:33 AM CDT

Roger Croteau
Express-News

NEW BRAUNFELS - The arrest of three Guadalupe County boys last week on
charges of torturing and killing a puppy has triggered an
international Internet reaction: heated discussions in chat rooms, an
online petition urging stiff prosecution and a song by a British
recording artist. More than 7,500 people had signed the petition by
late Wednesday, with dozens more names being added each hour. Many
left messages offering to deliver the same punishment to the boys that
the boys are accused of inflicting on the dog, a Pomeranian named Toby.

The boys, ages 12, 14 and 16, found Toby roaming loose Aug. 28 near
Geronimo. They took the dog to a nearby abandoned house, where they
broke its legs, hung it upside down from a tree, beat in with a board
with protruding nails, burned it with a lighter and finally beheaded
it, prosecutors said.

Since the story first was reported, Toby's owners, Leonora Tavera and
her daughter Stephanie, have seen an outpouring of support.

"It's surprising," Leonora Tavera said. "It makes me feel good. I
never thought there would be so many people that would take this up."

She said the support has helped her daughter deal with the death of
her pet. A Seguin police officer gave Stephanie a new puppy.

"It's a miniature schnauzer and it's really cute, just tiny," Tavera
said. "Stephanie is potty training her now."

Guadalupe County prosecutors have also been deluged by phone calls.
They already had pledged to push to keep the boys locked up as long as
possible, and they're slightly irritated by the online petition, at
tinyurl.com/28u6jd, urging just that.

"It has really touched a nerve," said Assistant County Attorney Nan
Udell. "I think it's wonderful that so many people are willing to put
forward the effort to get involved. But at a certain level, I'm
offended by people telling me to prosecute a case that I'm already
working so hard on."

An English recording artist, Maria Daines, quickly wrote and recorded
"Tobey's (sic) Song," with the chorus, "Tobey was precious, Tobey was
loved, Now angels cradle his soul up above."

Dozens decried the attack in postings to a MySpace.com message board
called "Dogs are the best" but argued over whether the three boys need
therapy or a physical punishment similar to what Toby suffered.

The three are charged with cruelty to animals resulting in death. If
charged as adults, they could be jailed for two years. But as
juveniles, they could be kept in a Texas Youth Commission facility
until they turn 19, which Udell said is her goal.

"Behavior like this is an indicator that they will victimize others in
the future. That's what makes this so scary," she said.

Harvey Ginsburg, a psychology professor at Texas State University-San
Marcos, said children who commit crimes similar to this often have
been victims of violence themselves. Udell said her office is looking
into the boys' background but has not found anything like that.

Ginsburg said, "These kids need to be in an institution now. I'm kind
of left speechless."

He said his first thought was to wonder how much the boys knew about
Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick's recent guilty plea to
dogfighting charges. In that case, Vick was accused of hanging and
drowning dogs that did not show promise as fighters.

Though most people reacted with revulsion to that case, "it's all in
the mind of the beholder," Ginsburg said. "Certain people may
interpret it very differently."

Children who idolize Vick, and who lack empathy, could be prompted to
copy him, he said.

"They have an inability to walk in another's shoes," Ginsburg said.
"They have a far more limited emotional capacity to feel the pain or
joy of others. They were treating this puppy like a stuffed animal.
They just don't get it."

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Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

Re: Leukemia room

[Susan Dubose]

Maybe they closed it down for the night?

To give the kitties some rest, after the long flight.

It's a pretty bright light in the room when it's on.

I would try again later.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Pat Kachur 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:21 AM
  Subject: Re: Leukemia room


  I get nothing but a black screen with a tiny green circle in the middle...
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; asr 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:22 PM
Subject: : Leukemia room



The FLOCK cats arrived today!

You can click on the link below to peep into their room.

Cover Girl is the kitty in the condo .

She will be in the cage fora couple of weeks so she can get acclimated and 
have her health monitored.

She was the "poster child"of the rescue.. :)





http://shadowcats.net/cam.html